[peel] Re: the zappa question

[apoplexia]

I don't have a pony in this race at all, but I have a distinct memory of
him describing meeting Frank Zappa and him treating Peel as a twerpy
journalist ("which I was") and that on the whole he was "a most
disagreeable person" [all quotes are not actual quotes]. Either I heard
this on BFBS or on a bunch of R!  shows from 2002-2004 (from memory), which
I listened to over and over again. I'm afraid I can't help more than that.

cheers,

Rich

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Humphrey <thebarguest@...> wrote:

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> I'd say more "porno" than "lavatorial", maybe a mix of the two ! Weird
> really, as UK tv humour is often regarded as 'lavatorial', certainly far
> more so than US comedy ... I'm sure that's why the ultra-leftist/feminist
> NME dissed his 70's/80's stuff. I quite like Benny Hill, Manning and
> late-period Zappa. Actually, most Zappa up to around 77 was non-porno/lavvy
> and had pretty funny/surreal lyrics.
> 'Apostrophe' (74) and 'Zoot Allures (76) are very good, lyrically and
> musically.
>
> Regrads,
> Father O'Blivion
>
>
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "steve" <saipanda@...> wrote:
> >
> > The Zappa thing is kind of interesting and might give it a go on the
> wiki at some stage. Two theories, both from JP:
> >
> > 1. He got boring in the "lavatorial" stage, but his sponsorship of
> Beefheart and Wild Man Fischer was good.
> >
> > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Peeling_Back_The_Years_6_%28Transcript%29
> >
> > Walters: Frank Zappa you are now likely to see with an orchestra at the
> Barbican. Well, how do you feel about Zappa? There's a good man to look at.
> > Peel: Well, his early stuff I used to enjoy quite a lot. I mean, until
> he got into his kind of lavatorial phase, which I found rather tedious, and
> that seemed to take up like a decade of his life. I mean, everything he did
> was fairly lavatorial, which is fine if you are like 12 years old or
> something – our William would probably find it all vastly entertaining –
> but I just found it rather tedious. But his early things I liked a lot. And
> of course I admired him as much as anything for his sponsorship not only of
> people like Wild Man Fischer but also Captain Beefheart, which is kind of
> crucial. Well, in the early part of his own life.
> > JW: And yet his own work rather lost that rootsy almost instinctive feel
> about Beefheart and Wild Man Fischer, were Zappa came to be more as if were
> like "a contemporary composer" - "it's a funny life, this music..."
> > JP: People have this yearning to be the clown playing Hamlet, you know.
> They all want to be taken terribly seriously and to be perceived as
> "artistes".
> > JP: OK, pick a track that you think features Zappa but is still OK.
> > JW: Well, because it's got Beefheart on it, I'd pick Willy The Pimp.
> >
> >
> > 2. Peel met him, didn't like him, and therefore went off his music.
> >
> > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_March_2004
> >
> > Peel is emailed by a listener and asked if he could play a Frank Zappa
> record. Peel explains that he liked a lot of the early Mothers of Invention
> records, but went off Zappa after meeting him.
> >
> >
> > With no checks, I think there's some kind of 1970 radio or TV interview
> by Peel with Zappa, so presumably that's the reference. But FZ was played
> during the 70s by Peel, although relatively little and scarcely at all
> after that.
> >
> > My theory: Zappa is an all or nothing thing and Beefheart was always the
> real JP favourite anyway.
> >
> > OK, enough of this....
> >
> > SW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty997881" <unity.gain@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've said it before, but Zappa.
> > > Apart from some early Mothers, back when Peel was still a hippy, I
> never did hear him play a Zappa track, and FZ was nothing if not prolific.
> > > My guess is that his fondness for Beefheart and Wild Man Fisher, whom
> some consider to have been exploited by Zappa, was the reason, or maybe he
> just found his music a bit 'highbrow'...
> > > If I ever get round to writing a will, I swear that no-one will get a
> penny unless 'Peaches En Regalia' is played at my funeral,
> > > Cheers
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "so_it_goes_2512" <so_it_goes_2512@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ben
> > > >
> > > > For a long time I thought 'Good Vibrations' and 'God Only Knows'
> were wild cards in the 2000 All Time FF and that was it. However, a quick
> Wiki search turned up a fair few hits, including '409' (played on at least
> three occasions, two of them late on as well), and he seemed to like the
> Carl & The Passions album too. And yes, he played Pet Sounds on Radio
> London.
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > > Steve (TK)
> > > >
> > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Ben Harrison <abcdetc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Peel ever play Beach Boys?
> > > > > More specifically: Pet Sounds
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:37 AM, so_it_goes_2512 <
> > > > > so_it_goes_2512@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom Waits
> > > > > > Motown (although he did play some)
> > > > > > Depeche Mode (don't know if he hated them, but no sessions and
> no plays
> > > > > > says something)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve (TK)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales"
> <billfromnorthwales@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I thought I might change this one around, for a laugh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think in the early 70's, although he played them, he didn't
> like
> > > > > > Genesis or Deep Purple (so long Jon), though I was quite partial
> to them. I
> > > > > > don't think Peel ever took a shine to Hawkwind in the same way I
> did,
> > > > > > either.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At that time I felt he and Bob Harris played too much Little
> Feat, whose
> > > > > > merits passed me by.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In later years I really liked William Orbit and Lemon Jelly,
> and while
> > > > > > they may have not been hated, seemed under represented on his
> shows.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course it is well known that his triumverate of evil were
> Genesis,
> > > > > > Yes and ELP, but who else did he hate that you like?
> > > > > > >
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