Re: <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions

[Mic]

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies to my questions last week, and apologies for 
not replying to your replies sooner. The main reason for my tardiness 
is that I was hoping to say something useful like "I've corrected the 
entries", but I still haven't managed to finish that... sorry.

Particular thanks to Ken and Bill for your comments about sessions 
and song versions. I've been folding them in, but they've raised a 
few more questions...

Firstly, Ken, you mentioned that the Adam and the Ants session on 29 
December 1980 was a repeat of their second... which turns out to be 
from 1978. Is that right? But then again, it looks like their only 
later session was in 1979, so what they were doing in the best 
sessions of the year, I don't know.

You also mention, both in your reply and your book, a band called 
Misty, who I don't think I'm familiar with. Is that just a different 
name for Misty in Roots?

And Bill, I fear that your work on the 1976 & 77 Fifties means that 
I'm going to have to put just a bit more effort into confirming which 
versions of songs are being played. Which is a good thing; I'm sure I 
can't be alone in seeing your 1976 list and thinking "Ooh, that's 
handy, now I know just which tracks I need to track down myself."

But I'm not quite sure what you're saying about some of these 
versions. Take "Alison" in 1978 - are you saying that the single 
version is different to the album version, or just that John played 
the single? And similar for the others.

But I guess that begs another question - I've been listing songs with 
their source record. Er, that's pretty vague. Maybe an example would 
help. I'd say that "Alison" is 'from' 'My Aim Is True', even though 
the single was released first, because that was the album the single 
was sourced from. Conversely, I'd describe "Watching the Detectives" 
as a '7" single', even though it's on the US version of 'My Aim Is 
True' and the reissues, and it's on 'The Very Best of', because it 
wasn't really *from* any of those albums. Does that make sense?

So back to the question: Does that seem a sensible way to credit 
songs, or would it be better if I credited the actual record that 
John (probably) played?

Right, that's my equivalent of a short memo. Thanks again, everyone.

Mic.



--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mic,
> 
> These pages are absolutely brill. Well done. Just a couple of 
comments:
> 
> 1978
> 37 Elvis Costello - Alison (JP plays it from Stiff BUY 14, 
therefore it's the single)
> 34 Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter (it was from The Scream 
but obviously pre-edited to remove the swearing)
> 20 The Rezillos - I Can't Stand My Baby (I think it's the Sensible 
single version rather than the Sire LP)
> 10 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (played from the EP (you can hear 
the start of Smarter than You coming in)
> 
> 1979
> 22 The Damned - Love Song (sound like it's played from the single)
> 16 Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant (John sorta infers it's the single)
> 02 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (I reckon it would be the EP 
really)
> 
> 1980
> 42 The Damned - Smash it Up (sounds like the single to me)
> 29 The Damned - Love Song (again I think it's the single)
> 08 The Damned - New Rose (ditto)
> 
> I'm really looking forward to future installments. Will be posting 
some observations myself this week on the 1977 Forgotten Fifty.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bill
> > 
> > From: "Mic" <hotmissile_lives@...>
> > Date: 2008/10/16 Thu AM 12:51:15 BST
> > To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people's work / FF79 & 80 
questions
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm new here and I've joined up pretty much to get hold of & 
listen 
> > to Festive Fifties. Well, to start with anyway; I'm sure there 
are 
> > many, many great John Peel shows out there, it's just going to 
take 
> > me some time to get there...
> > 
> > Anyway, while I'm here, I thought I'd try and help out so as 
> > to `repay' those people who've been cataloguing and digitising 
those 
> > shows. Unfortunately, I don't really have the skills or 
technology to 
> > assist with recording or anything, but I thought I might do 
something 
> > I was going to do anyway: listen to the Festive Fifties. Oh, and 
> > while I'm doing that, I can make notes for the Peel Wiki.
> > 
> > So I've done a few pages of that, for the 78 – 80 Festive 
Fifties, 
> > and the associated shows:
> > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1980_Festive_Fifty
> > However, other people have been working on those too, so I 
thought 
> > I'd draw attention to what I've been doing here. Rather than just 
> > editing their work and running away. Does anyone have any 
comments? 
> > I've tried not to actually delete anything that's been previously 
> > added, but my stuff's easily revertible if you want.
> > 
> > Has anyone any thoughts on what I've said, either? Too much 
> > information? Too little? Since I'm not an expert on John Peel, or 
> > music of the period or anything, I've tended to stick to `facts'; 
> > that is, I haven't really commented on mood or feel, I've just 
quoted 
> > what John actually said in places. And rather than sticking all 
his 
> > comments at the top of the page, I've tended to list them in the 
> > tracklisting, so that people can find them easily if they so 
wish. I 
> > also haven't really said anything about the details of Peel 
> > sessions... the shows I've been listening to have all been "best 
of 
> > the year" shows, so it makes sense to me to just link to the 
original 
> > show... however, many of the shows aren't on the Wiki yet, but I 
> > don't really feel right writing about shows I haven't heard 
anything 
> > from. If that makes sense.
> > 
> > If anyone's still reading after that rather lengthy preamble, 
I've 
> > also got a few questions about the 79 & 80 Festive Fifties. 
Starting 
> > from the top, I was wondering about the various 1979 recordings 
> > available. For a start, I'm rather confused about the top 10 mp3 
> > mentioned on the 1979 page itself. Now, as I said, I'm new here, 
so 
> > I've probably missed lots of talk about this already, but it 
doesn't 
> > sound like a top 10 mp3 at all to me. Once again, I don't have 
any 
> > fancy technology, I've just been listening to it on my PC with 
run-of-
> > the-mill headphones, so I may be wrong, but I reckon I can hear 
15 
> > separate edits in it. And the between-song links don't match 
those on 
> > the other compilations mentioned on the page. And the other big 
clue 
> > is that "White Riot" wasn't actually in the 1979 top 10. So this 
> > actually sounds to me like a reconstruction of the top 10 from 
other 
> > Peel shows and John's countdown towards the end of the Festive 
Fifty 
> > (between #2 & 3 and skipped in the other recording). Or have I 
got 
> > the wrong end of the stick here?
> > 
> > Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979. I've got 
> > this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled (three times) 
as 
> > being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that there's nothing 
to 
> > confirm this on the recording – can this be verified in any way?
> > 
> > Finally, we have the 1980 shows, and what I'm most interested in 
here 
> > is the provenance of the various recordings. I've come across 
three 
> > sets of recordings, all of them only of the countdown part of the 
> > shows. Firstly there are the 30242b recordings. As I say on the 
Wiki, 
> > these are mistagged, but that's not a problem. Also, one of 
them's 
> > missing from the website, and this seems as good a place as any 
to 
> > bring it to someone's attention – I can't see any contact info on 
the 
> > site.
> > 
> > Next there's the set on torrent compilation 1. I think these have 
a 
> > better sound quality, but I'm not entirely sure. The first two 
have 
> > identical content to the first two from 30242b, but I think 
there's a 
> > bit less noise – perhaps these are earlier generation tapes, or 
do 
> > people think they've just been digitised differently? Or am I 
just 
> > hearing things?
> > 
> > Confusingly, the third mp3 from the torrent seems to be made up 
of 
> > the third & fourth from 30242b, thus suggesting that that is an 
equal 
> > or later generation tape. Or perhaps the same tape, digitised in 
> > different ways? Could anyone throw any light on that for me?
> > 
> > And after all that, there's yet another set on torrent 
compilation 2. 
> > These are individual mp3s, they only start from #40, and for some 
> > reason #7 is missing (the replacement is tagged with "a stretch 
> > mark"), but they sound to me like the best set of recordings. No 
> > offense to whoever took the effort split them into individual 
tracks –
> >  it's very well done, and quite handy to have them in that form – 
but 
> > does anyone know if this recording is available as whole segments 
> > from the shows?
> > 
> > That's it for now. Thanks for reading my huge spiel, and thanks 
in 
> > advance for any answers you may have. And, of course, thanks 
everyone 
> > who's been recording and keeping records of these shows.
> > 
> > Mic.