Re: <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions

[ken garner]

...Well, that's what it said on the session sheet of Adam and the Ants #2, rpt at end 80. I 
can not recall if I looked anew at that show script when I was at written archives last year. 
It might be right , it might be wrong.

Peel show files and I have used MIsty and Misty in Roots interchangeably, yes, sorry, for 
the one band.

I think Martin is right to dampen down your concerns: sessions versions did not appear in 
the F50s until the eighties, as he says, after they became only best tracks of the year, not 
all time.

I dread admitting this, but I feel I should try to put you out of your misery: I do have the 
PasBs for those 77 F50 shows somewhere (my box files stop in June 78). If I get an hour or 
two over the weekend I'll see if I can find them and scan them...

k

--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Mic" <hotmissile_lives@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks for the replies to my questions last week, and apologies for 
> not replying to your replies sooner. The main reason for my tardiness 
> is that I was hoping to say something useful like "I've corrected the 
> entries", but I still haven't managed to finish that... sorry.
> 
> Particular thanks to Ken and Bill for your comments about sessions 
> and song versions. I've been folding them in, but they've raised a 
> few more questions...
> 
> Firstly, Ken, you mentioned that the Adam and the Ants session on 29 
> December 1980 was a repeat of their second... which turns out to be 
> from 1978. Is that right? But then again, it looks like their only 
> later session was in 1979, so what they were doing in the best 
> sessions of the year, I don't know.
> 
> You also mention, both in your reply and your book, a band called 
> Misty, who I don't think I'm familiar with. Is that just a different 
> name for Misty in Roots?
> 
> And Bill, I fear that your work on the 1976 & 77 Fifties means that 
> I'm going to have to put just a bit more effort into confirming which 
> versions of songs are being played. Which is a good thing; I'm sure I 
> can't be alone in seeing your 1976 list and thinking "Ooh, that's 
> handy, now I know just which tracks I need to track down myself."
> 
> But I'm not quite sure what you're saying about some of these 
> versions. Take "Alison" in 1978 - are you saying that the single 
> version is different to the album version, or just that John played 
> the single? And similar for the others.
> 
> But I guess that begs another question - I've been listing songs with 
> their source record. Er, that's pretty vague. Maybe an example would 
> help. I'd say that "Alison" is 'from' 'My Aim Is True', even though 
> the single was released first, because that was the album the single 
> was sourced from. Conversely, I'd describe "Watching the Detectives" 
> as a '7" single', even though it's on the US version of 'My Aim Is 
> True' and the reissues, and it's on 'The Very Best of', because it 
> wasn't really *from* any of those albums. Does that make sense?
> 
> So back to the question: Does that seem a sensible way to credit 
> songs, or would it be better if I credited the actual record that 
> John (probably) played?
> 
> Right, that's my equivalent of a short memo. Thanks again, everyone.
> 
> Mic.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mic,
> > 
> > These pages are absolutely brill. Well done. Just a couple of 
> comments:
> > 
> > 1978
> > 37 Elvis Costello - Alison (JP plays it from Stiff BUY 14, 
> therefore it's the single)
> > 34 Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter (it was from The Scream 
> but obviously pre-edited to remove the swearing)
> > 20 The Rezillos - I Can't Stand My Baby (I think it's the Sensible 
> single version rather than the Sire LP)
> > 10 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (played from the EP (you can hear 
> the start of Smarter than You coming in)
> > 
> > 1979
> > 22 The Damned - Love Song (sound like it's played from the single)
> > 16 Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant (John sorta infers it's the single)
> > 02 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (I reckon it would be the EP 
> really)
> > 
> > 1980
> > 42 The Damned - Smash it Up (sounds like the single to me)
> > 29 The Damned - Love Song (again I think it's the single)
> > 08 The Damned - New Rose (ditto)
> > 
> > I'm really looking forward to future installments. Will be posting 
> some observations myself this week on the 1977 Forgotten Fifty.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Bill
> > > 
> > > From: "Mic" <hotmissile_lives@>
> > > Date: 2008/10/16 Thu AM 12:51:15 BST
> > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people's work / FF79 & 80 
> questions
> > > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I'm new here and I've joined up pretty much to get hold of & 
> listen 
> > > to Festive Fifties. Well, to start with anyway; I'm sure there 
> are 
> > > many, many great John Peel shows out there, it's just going to 
> take 
> > > me some time to get there...
> > > 
> > > Anyway, while I'm here, I thought I'd try and help out so as 
> > > to `repay' those people who've been cataloguing and digitising 
> those 
> > > shows. Unfortunately, I don't really have the skills or 
> technology to 
> > > assist with recording or anything, but I thought I might do 
> something 
> > > I was going to do anyway: listen to the Festive Fifties. Oh, and 
> > > while I'm doing that, I can make notes for the Peel Wiki.
> > > 
> > > So I've done a few pages of that, for the 78 – 80 Festive 
> Fifties, 
> > > and the associated shows:
> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1980_Festive_Fifty
> > > However, other people have been working on those too, so I 
> thought 
> > > I'd draw attention to what I've been doing here. Rather than just 
> > > editing their work and running away. Does anyone have any 
> comments? 
> > > I've tried not to actually delete anything that's been previously 
> > > added, but my stuff's easily revertible if you want.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone any thoughts on what I've said, either? Too much 
> > > information? Too little? Since I'm not an expert on John Peel, or 
> > > music of the period or anything, I've tended to stick to `facts'; 
> > > that is, I haven't really commented on mood or feel, I've just 
> quoted 
> > > what John actually said in places. And rather than sticking all 
> his 
> > > comments at the top of the page, I've tended to list them in the 
> > > tracklisting, so that people can find them easily if they so 
> wish. I 
> > > also haven't really said anything about the details of Peel 
> > > sessions... the shows I've been listening to have all been "best 
> of 
> > > the year" shows, so it makes sense to me to just link to the 
> original 
> > > show... however, many of the shows aren't on the Wiki yet, but I 
> > > don't really feel right writing about shows I haven't heard 
> anything 
> > > from. If that makes sense.
> > > 
> > > If anyone's still reading after that rather lengthy preamble, 
> I've 
> > > also got a few questions about the 79 & 80 Festive Fifties. 
> Starting 
> > > from the top, I was wondering about the various 1979 recordings 
> > > available. For a start, I'm rather confused about the top 10 mp3 
> > > mentioned on the 1979 page itself. Now, as I said, I'm new here, 
> so 
> > > I've probably missed lots of talk about this already, but it 
> doesn't 
> > > sound like a top 10 mp3 at all to me. Once again, I don't have 
> any 
> > > fancy technology, I've just been listening to it on my PC with 
> run-of-
> > > the-mill headphones, so I may be wrong, but I reckon I can hear 
> 15 
> > > separate edits in it. And the between-song links don't match 
> those on 
> > > the other compilations mentioned on the page. And the other big 
> clue 
> > > is that "White Riot" wasn't actually in the 1979 top 10. So this 
> > > actually sounds to me like a reconstruction of the top 10 from 
> other 
> > > Peel shows and John's countdown towards the end of the Festive 
> Fifty 
> > > (between #2 & 3 and skipped in the other recording). Or have I 
> got 
> > > the wrong end of the stick here?
> > > 
> > > Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979. I've got 
> > > this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled (three times) 
> as 
> > > being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that there's nothing 
> to 
> > > confirm this on the recording – can this be verified in any way?
> > > 
> > > Finally, we have the 1980 shows, and what I'm most interested in 
> here 
> > > is the provenance of the various recordings. I've come across 
> three 
> > > sets of recordings, all of them only of the countdown part of the 
> > > shows. Firstly there are the 30242b recordings. As I say on the 
> Wiki, 
> > > these are mistagged, but that's not a problem. Also, one of 
> them's 
> > > missing from the website, and this seems as good a place as any 
> to 
> > > bring it to someone's attention – I can't see any contact info on 
> the 
> > > site.
> > > 
> > > Next there's the set on torrent compilation 1. I think these have 
> a 
> > > better sound quality, but I'm not entirely sure. The first two 
> have 
> > > identical content to the first two from 30242b, but I think 
> there's a 
> > > bit less noise – perhaps these are earlier generation tapes, or 
> do 
> > > people think they've just been digitised differently? Or am I 
> just 
> > > hearing things?
> > > 
> > > Confusingly, the third mp3 from the torrent seems to be made up 
> of 
> > > the third & fourth from 30242b, thus suggesting that that is an 
> equal 
> > > or later generation tape. Or perhaps the same tape, digitised in 
> > > different ways? Could anyone throw any light on that for me?
> > > 
> > > And after all that, there's yet another set on torrent 
> compilation 2. 
> > > These are individual mp3s, they only start from #40, and for some 
> > > reason #7 is missing (the replacement is tagged with "a stretch 
> > > mark"), but they sound to me like the best set of recordings. No 
> > > offense to whoever took the effort split them into individual 
> tracks –
> > >  it's very well done, and quite handy to have them in that form – 
> but 
> > > does anyone know if this recording is available as whole segments 
> > > from the shows?
> > > 
> > > That's it for now. Thanks for reading my huge spiel, and thanks 
> in 
> > > advance for any answers you may have. And, of course, thanks 
> everyone 
> > > who's been recording and keeping records of these shows.
> > > 
> > > Mic.
>