Re: <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions

[ken garner]

Thanks for the plug, but not necessarily true. I foolishly edited down my detailed listings 
on the Festive 50 shows for the book's shows index, fearing pressure of space. However, 
in the year since publication, with the help of many on this list, I have fleshed out the 
details on these show dates (from tapes, posts, diaries, etc), to the extent I only have one 
or two tiny uncertainties left. If it helps Mic, here is what I now know definitely happened 
on air on the 79 and 80 F50 shows on each date. Oh, and by the way, yes, you're right, that 
79 Top 10 file has been proven to be an inaccurate post-event reconstruction, thanks to 
the wonderful full-show recordings posted here in recent months (thanks, John, Bill 
everyone!)

ken


1979 F50 shows:

Th 20/12 (Best sessions of the year pt 1: Cockney Rejects, The Jam #3, Killing Joke, Misty 
#1, Skids #4, Undertones #2) Festive 50 #50-41

M 24/12 Viv Stanshall (Best sessions of year pt 2: The Cure #2, The Damned #4, Secret 
Affair #2, Steel Pulse #3) Festive 50 #40-31

T 25/12 no show

W 26/12 (Best Sessions of the year pt 3: Chords, Gary Numan & Tubeway Army, 
Penetration #2, Specials #2, Stiff Little Fingers #3) F50 30-21

Th 27/12 (Best sessions of the year pt 4: Buzzcocks #4, Magazine #3, Merton Parkas, The 
Selecter, Siouxsie and the Banshees #3, UK Subs #3) F50 20-11

M 31/12 no show

T 1/1/80 (Best sessions of the year pt 5: The Beat #1, Capital Letters, Leyton Buzzards #3, 
Lene Lovich #2, The Police, Ruts #1) F50 10-1



1980 F50 shows:

M 22/12 F50 50-41 (sessions details unknown)

T 23/12 F50 40-31 (session details unknown)

W 24/12 (Dexy's Midnight Runners, Spoldgenessabounds, Undertones #4) F50 30-21

Th 25/12 no show

M 29/12 (Adam and the Ants #2, The Beat #2, Icarus, Killing Joke #2, Passions #3) F50-
20-11

T 30/12 (Bow Wow Wow, The Cure #3, Echo and the Bunnymen #3, Misty #3, Ruts #3, 
Teardrop Explodes #2) F50 10-1

W 31/12 no show





--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton <deedeeramain@...> wrote:
>
> < Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979. I've got 
> this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled (three times) as 
> being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that there's nothing to 
> confirm this on the recording â€" can this be verified in any way? >
> 
> You could try buying Ken Garner's excellent 'Peel Sessions' book - if there's a session in 
the show then Ken's book helps narrow down the dates.
> 
> DeeDee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mic <hotmissile_lives@...>
> To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:51:15 AM
> Subject: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new here and I've joined up pretty much to get hold of & listen 
> to Festive Fifties. Well, to start with anyway; I'm sure there are 
> many, many great John Peel shows out there, it's just going to take 
> me some time to get there...
> 
> Anyway, while I'm here, I thought I'd try and help out so as 
> to `repay' those people who've been cataloguing and digitising those 
> shows. Unfortunately, I don't really have the skills or technology to 
> assist with recording or anything, but I thought I might do something 
> I was going to do anyway: listen to the Festive Fifties. Oh, and 
> while I'm doing that, I can make notes for the Peel Wiki.
> 
> So I've done a few pages of that, for the 78 â€" 80 Festive Fifties, 
> and the associated shows:
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1979_ Festive_fifty
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1979_ Festive_fifty
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1980_ Festive_Fifty
> However, other people have been working on those too, so I thought 
> I'd draw attention to what I've been doing here. Rather than just 
> editing their work and running away. Does anyone have any comments? 
> I've tried not to actually delete anything that's been previously 
> added, but my stuff's easily revertible if you want.
> 
> Has anyone any thoughts on what I've said, either? Too much 
> information? Too little? Since I'm not an expert on John Peel, or 
> music of the period or anything, I've tended to stick to `facts'; 
> that is, I haven't really commented on mood or feel, I've just quoted 
> what John actually said in places. And rather than sticking all his 
> comments at the top of the page, I've tended to list them in the 
> tracklisting, so that people can find them easily if they so wish. I 
> also haven't really said anything about the details of Peel 
> sessions... the shows I've been listening to have all been "best of 
> the year" shows, so it makes sense to me to just link to the original 
> show... however, many of the shows aren't on the Wiki yet, but I 
> don't really feel right writing about shows I haven't heard anything 
> from. If that makes sense.
> 
> If anyone's still reading after that rather lengthy preamble, I've 
> also got a few questions about the 79 & 80 Festive Fifties. Starting 
> from the top, I was wondering about the various 1979 recordings 
> available. For a start, I'm rather confused about the top 10 mp3 
> mentioned on the 1979 page itself. Now, as I said, I'm new here, so 
> I've probably missed lots of talk about this already, but it doesn't 
> sound like a top 10 mp3 at all to me. Once again, I don't have any 
> fancy technology, I've just been listening to it on my PC with run-of-
> the-mill headphones, so I may be wrong, but I reckon I can hear 15 
> separate edits in it. And the between-song links don't match those on 
> the other compilations mentioned on the page. And the other big clue 
> is that "White Riot" wasn't actually in the 1979 top 10. So this 
> actually sounds to me like a reconstruction of the top 10 from other 
> Peel shows and John's countdown towards the end of the Festive Fifty 
> (between #2 & 3 and skipped in the other recording). Or have I got 
> the wrong end of the stick here?
> 
> Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979. I've got 
> this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled (three times) as 
> being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that there's nothing to 
> confirm this on the recording â€" can this be verified in any way?
> 
> Finally, we have the 1980 shows, and what I'm most interested in here 
> is the provenance of the various recordings. I've come across three 
> sets of recordings, all of them only of the countdown part of the 
> shows. Firstly there are the 30242b recordings. As I say on the Wiki, 
> these are mistagged, but that's not a problem. Also, one of them's 
> missing from the website, and this seems as good a place as any to 
> bring it to someone's attention â€" I can't see any contact info on the 
> site.
> 
> Next there's the set on torrent compilation 1. I think these have a 
> better sound quality, but I'm not entirely sure. The first two have 
> identical content to the first two from 30242b, but I think there's a 
> bit less noise â€" perhaps these are earlier generation tapes, or do 
> people think they've just been digitised differently? Or am I just 
> hearing things?
> 
> Confusingly, the third mp3 from the torrent seems to be made up of 
> the third & fourth from 30242b, thus suggesting that that is an equal 
> or later generation tape. Or perhaps the same tape, digitised in 
> different ways? Could anyone throw any light on that for me?
> 
> And after all that, there's yet another set on torrent compilation 2. 
> These are individual mp3s, they only start from #40, and for some 
> reason #7 is missing (the replacement is tagged with "a stretch 
> mark"), but they sound to me like the best set of recordings. No 
> offense to whoever took the effort split them into individual tracks â€"
> it's very well done, and quite handy to have them in that form â€" but 
> does anyone know if this recording is available as whole segments 
> from the shows?
> 
> That's it for now. Thanks for reading my huge spiel, and thanks in 
> advance for any answers you may have. And, of course, thanks everyone 
> who's been recording and keeping records of these shows.
> 
> Mic.
>