Re: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions

[ROGER CARRUTHERS]

See also http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/sessions/
and
http://www.rocklist.net/festive50.htm
(love the Private Eye review of Mick Wall's book on this page :-D )
cheers
Roger

--- On Thu, 16/10/08, Riving Ton <deedeeramain@...> wrote:

> From: Riving Ton <deedeeramain@...>
> Subject: Re: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions
> To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 5:18 AM
> < Next, a question about the 24th December show from
> 1979. I've got 
> this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled
> (three times) as 
> being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that
> there's nothing to 
> confirm this on the recording – can this be verified in
> any way? >
> 
> You could try buying Ken Garner's excellent 'Peel
> Sessions' book - if there's a session in the show
> then Ken's book helps narrow down the dates.
> 
> DeeDee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mic <hotmissile_lives@...>
> To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:51:15 AM
> Subject: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people’s work
> / FF79 & 80 questions
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new here and I've joined up pretty much to get
> hold of & listen 
> to Festive Fifties. Well, to start with anyway; I'm
> sure there are 
> many, many great John Peel shows out there, it's just
> going to take 
> me some time to get there...
> 
> Anyway, while I'm here, I thought I'd try and help
> out so as 
> to `repay' those people who've been cataloguing and
> digitising those 
> shows. Unfortunately, I don't really have the skills or
> technology to 
> assist with recording or anything, but I thought I might do
> something 
> I was going to do anyway: listen to the Festive Fifties.
> Oh, and 
> while I'm doing that, I can make notes for the Peel
> Wiki.
> 
> So I've done a few pages of that, for the 78 – 80
> Festive Fifties, 
> and the associated shows:
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1979_ Festive_fifty
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1979_ Festive_fifty
> http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/1980_ Festive_Fifty
> However, other people have been working on those too, so I
> thought 
> I'd draw attention to what I've been doing here.
> Rather than just 
> editing their work and running away. Does anyone have any
> comments? 
> I've tried not to actually delete anything that's
> been previously 
> added, but my stuff's easily revertible if you want.
> 
> Has anyone any thoughts on what I've said, either? Too
> much 
> information? Too little? Since I'm not an expert on
> John Peel, or 
> music of the period or anything, I've tended to stick
> to `facts'; 
> that is, I haven't really commented on mood or feel,
> I've just quoted 
> what John actually said in places. And rather than sticking
> all his 
> comments at the top of the page, I've tended to list
> them in the 
> tracklisting, so that people can find them easily if they
> so wish. I 
> also haven't really said anything about the details of
> Peel 
> sessions... the shows I've been listening to have all
> been "best of 
> the year" shows, so it makes sense to me to just link
> to the original 
> show... however, many of the shows aren't on the Wiki
> yet, but I 
> don't really feel right writing about shows I
> haven't heard anything 
> from. If that makes sense.
> 
> If anyone's still reading after that rather lengthy
> preamble, I've 
> also got a few questions about the 79 & 80 Festive
> Fifties. Starting 
> from the top, I was wondering about the various 1979
> recordings 
> available. For a start, I'm rather confused about the
> top 10 mp3 
> mentioned on the 1979 page itself. Now, as I said, I'm
> new here, so 
> I've probably missed lots of talk about this already,
> but it doesn't 
> sound like a top 10 mp3 at all to me. Once again, I
> don't have any 
> fancy technology, I've just been listening to it on my
> PC with run-of-
> the-mill headphones, so I may be wrong, but I reckon I can
> hear 15 
> separate edits in it. And the between-song links don't
> match those on 
> the other compilations mentioned on the page. And the other
> big clue 
> is that "White Riot" wasn't actually in the
> 1979 top 10. So this 
> actually sounds to me like a reconstruction of the top 10
> from other 
> Peel shows and John's countdown towards the end of the
> Festive Fifty 
> (between #2 & 3 and skipped in the other recording). Or
> have I got 
> the wrong end of the stick here?
> 
> Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979.
> I've got 
> this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled
> (three times) as 
> being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that
> there's nothing to 
> confirm this on the recording – can this be verified in
> any way?
> 
> Finally, we have the 1980 shows, and what I'm most
> interested in here 
> is the provenance of the various recordings. I've come
> across three 
> sets of recordings, all of them only of the countdown part
> of the 
> shows. Firstly there are the 30242b recordings. As I say on
> the Wiki, 
> these are mistagged, but that's not a problem. Also,
> one of them's 
> missing from the website, and this seems as good a place as
> any to 
> bring it to someone's attention – I can't see any
> contact info on the 
> site.
> 
> Next there's the set on torrent compilation 1. I think
> these have a 
> better sound quality, but I'm not entirely sure. The
> first two have 
> identical content to the first two from 30242b, but I think
> there's a 
> bit less noise – perhaps these are earlier generation
> tapes, or do 
> people think they've just been digitised differently?
> Or am I just 
> hearing things?
> 
> Confusingly, the third mp3 from the torrent seems to be
> made up of 
> the third & fourth from 30242b, thus suggesting that
> that is an equal 
> or later generation tape. Or perhaps the same tape,
> digitised in 
> different ways? Could anyone throw any light on that for
> me?
> 
> And after all that, there's yet another set on torrent
> compilation 2. 
> These are individual mp3s, they only start from #40, and
> for some 
> reason #7 is missing (the replacement is tagged with
> "a stretch 
> mark"), but they sound to me like the best set of
> recordings. No 
> offense to whoever took the effort split them into
> individual tracks –
> it's very well done, and quite handy to have them in
> that form – but 
> does anyone know if this recording is available as whole
> segments 
> from the shows?
> 
> That's it for now. Thanks for reading my huge spiel,
> and thanks in 
> advance for any answers you may have. And, of course,
> thanks everyone 
> who's been recording and keeping records of these
> shows.
> 
> Mic.