<BTW, you can just call me Goofy (as most people do, regardless of whether they know me or not...), that 'Herra' is just Finnish for 'Mister'> I knew that but didn't want to sound like a smart arse ;-) Pahoittelemme ja myös kiitos Goofy!! feel free to to slag off my Finnish Mr Gee :) should I be using anteeksi there? Phil