[peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music?

[RobF]

True enough, but these days with the iPlayer / Listen Again technology,
being on in the middle of the night is not quite the graveyard shift it used
to be

With the pathetic DAB coverage round our way I only ever listened to 6Music
on the iPlayer anyway (now I have an internet radio)


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, bty455834 <k.j.beech@...> wrote:

> I see your point , but just like peel's show they will be put on at some
> middle of the night spot- under the term specialest music.
>
> i think the refrance to peel come from their commitment to new music ,free
> plays and eclectic tastes (who else is playing can at 2 oclock in the
> afternoon)
>
> i have no problem easing listeners in with a daytime selection...
> as peel once said "just get the tunes out"
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
> >
> > I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing I've seen
> > over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also
> annoying)
> >
> > Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band and I'm
> > sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held nowhere
> > near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back this
> up
> > too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only
> station
> > with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of
> > standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the 6music
> 24x7
> > program.
> >
> > Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some sort of
> > strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, but if
> the
> > worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre bands
> then
> > I can live with that!
> >
> > The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to shift the
> > best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy <eddie.duffy@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing,
> especially
> > > given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and
> > > illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say
> > > threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would have
> been
> > > similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark Goodier
> band,
> > > that", or "one for Janice, I think".
> > >
> > > Eddie.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for my
> > > question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one
> could
> > > cite of his position.
> > >
> > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably express
> > > disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his relationship
> with
> > > his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation might
> find a
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music
> > > somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not
> all.
> > > Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime show on
> 6
> > > Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits from
> the
> > > 50s, even a 78?
> > >
> > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up
> Radio
> > > 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not
> > > necessarily mean it's factually accurate.
> > >
> > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right
> kicking
> > > in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the address, was
> > > exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and
> girls
> > > playing not quite good enough indie.
> > >
> > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to
> continue,
> > > whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly coming
> from a
> > > different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as they
> often
> > > did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place for
> their
> > > approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2.
> > >
> > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows
> > > could be found homes on 1 and 2.
> > >
> > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show
> > > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on
> radios 1
> > > or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly
> > >
> > > ken
> > >
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com <peel%40yahoogroups.com>, Jan Buxton
> > > <janbuxton@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also
> > > uncomfortable
> > > > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not
> > > > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and
> > > dislikes,
> > > > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in
> scope,
> > > in
> > > > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good
> music.
> > > > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and
> > > some
> > > > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving
> > > even
> > > > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being
> > > unmoved
> > > > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record
> (I
> > > > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like
> > > Ellie
> > > > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't
> perfect
> > > but
> > > > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without
> turning
> > > > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all
> day
> > > after
> > > > all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan
> > > > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/
> > > > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb <http://rateyourmusic.com/%7Ejanb> <
> http://rateyourmusic.com/%7Ejanb>
> > > > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray <colinbray@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an
> > > argument
> > > > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the
> memory
> > > of
> > > > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's
> what
> > > he
> > > > > would have wanted.'
> > > > >
> > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy
> to an
> > > > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may
> > > indeed be
> > > > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's
> > > philosophy. In
> > > > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even
> > > that is
> > > > > obviously very different to what he was doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to
> > > appropriate
> > > > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I
> > > needed
> > > > > to say something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Colin.
> > > > >
> > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy
> to
> > > my
> > > > > argument
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com <peel%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > From: ken_garner@
> > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000
> > > > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest
> over 6
> > > > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he
> ever
> > > made
> > > > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme,
> or
> > > its
> > > > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to
> have
> > > actual
> > > > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in
> one of
> > > his
> > > > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but
> my
> > > > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence...
> > > > > - ken
> > > > >
> > > > >
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