1986/87 Festive 50s and Ken's Book

[ken garner]

a-ha! I should have listened more closely to the night before. Many thanks, that must be 
right...

k

--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" <AndrewThezmore@...> wrote:
>
> A possible answer...
> 
> my tape for nos 38-15 doesn't contain anything past Lush, but on the 
> tape from the night before Peel says that tomorrow's sessions are 
> from the Fall, The Farm and Prophecy of Doom. Fingers crossed he 
> didn't change his mind.
> 
> [Lonnie Donnegan tape about to be fed through audacity, Dr M]
> 
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" <AndrewThezmore@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ken
> > 
> > The site and collection is all Gary's own hard work as far as I 
> know 
> > (with the help of contributors like Bill, Steve and DK), I've only 
> > contributed a few shows along the way. Astonishing like you say, 
> and 
> > if anyone reading hasn't visited, why not?! http://www.30242.net
> > 
> > I'll check my tape of the 1990 F50 to see if I taped anymore than 
> the 
> > rundown itself.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Andrew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry if I was garbled and did not mean to sound critical, just 
> > spotted a glitch, I think, 
> > > that's all. I think it's your stuff that's on 
> > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html
> > > isn;t it, although I think Gary helped put it up or some such? 
> > Anyway, all I noticed was 
> > > this:
> > > 
> > > when I click on:
> > > 22 December 91 part 1
> > > http://www.30242b.net/Content/JP_FF/JP911222a.mp3
> > > I get part 1 of the show of 5/1/92, with Hole and Milk
> > > 
> > > and also the file labelled as:
> > > 28 December 91 part 1
> > > http://www.30242b.net/Content/JP_FF/JP911228a.mp3
> > > ...is actually part 2 of the show of 5/1/92, with Hole and Milk
> > > 
> > > Now to the 1990 'mystery'.
> > > we know the F50 shows went like this:
> > > St 22/12 (Simba Wanyika, MC 900ft Jesus & DJ Zero, Barkmarket) 
> F50 
> > 50-39
> > > Sn 23/12 (Prophecy of Doom, plus 2 others unknown) F50 38-27
> > > St 29/12 (Ride, Would-Be's, Levellers 5) F50 26-15
> > > Sn 30/12 (Wedding Present, Babes in Toyland, and The Orb #1 at 
> #10 
> > in F50) F50 14-1
> > > 
> > > ...all we do not know is the identity of the two other 'unknown' 
> > repeated sessions on 
> > > 23/12. Why? Because Peel announces them teasingly at the start 
> but 
> > does not identify 
> > > them, saying he's going to play them as a lump later on. In fact, 
> > and most unusually, he 
> > > plays them AFTER the F50 section for that night, so your tape 
> > finished BEFORE we can find 
> > > out what they were, that's all.
> > > 
> > > I'm enormously grateful for all those F50 shows you've shared 
> which 
> > have helped me nail 
> > > down a few niggling gaps and blanks - and revealed one or two 
> > errors - in my shows 
> > > index revision.
> > > 
> > > so thanks for all the great recordings
> > > 
> > > k 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" <AndrewThezmore@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > > > not sure if you mean me ( i've upped the Milk/Hole show and 
> > various 
> > > > F50s in the past) but I wasn't sure what the problem/puzzle 
> was? 
> > > > Haven't got the 1990FF tapes to hand but can check at the 
> weekend 
> > if 
> > > > there is a query?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > If not me you referred to, many apologies for butting in
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Andrew 
> > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Quite right, sir. It seems churlish to point this out on 
> > Andrew's 
> > > > astonishing site and 
> > > > > collection, but something has gone wrong there. Footling 
> around 
> > a 
> > > > bit further, I spotted 
> > > > > that what is labelled as the first part of the show of 
> 22/12/91 
> > is 
> > > > actually the opening of 
> > > > > the show of 5/1/92. Sorry. Can anyone help Andrew fix that?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, and that is indeed my mistake on the FF shows of 86. 
> I'll 
> > look 
> > > > that up in Radio Times 
> > > > > next time i'm in the Mitchell library. And thanks to Steve we 
> > now 
> > > > know the F50 and alltime 
> > > > > F50 of 82 started a show earlier than I thought...
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...As I think I said here some time ago, at going to press 
> time 
> > I 
> > > > was worried about space, 
> > > > > and seeing as it was broadcast dates for new sessions that 
> > mattered 
> > > > most, I edited down 
> > > > > what details I then had (culled mostly from repeat dates on 
> > session 
> > > > sheets and checking of 
> > > > > some years, but not all, wiht Radio Times) about the 'best 
> > of'/F50 
> > > > shows to a summary 
> > > > > statement. But over the past year or so, helped by various 
> > persons 
> > > > here gathered - nods 
> > > > > to Brian, Jon, Paul, Steve, Steve and others - I've been 
> > revising, 
> > > > expanding back my shows 
> > > > > index to try and get all those end of year show details 
> > complete, 
> > > > and am getting there, 
> > > > > slowly but surely. I think we're now certain that the very 
> last 
> > > > year which featured multiple 
> > > > > 'best sessions of the year' repeats over the festive season 
> was 
> > > > 1992, yes?
> > > > > 
> > > > > However, one problem likely to remain unsolved for now, is 
> this 
> > one:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sn 23/12/90 (Prophecy of Doom, plus 2 others unknown) F50 38-
> 27
> > > > > 
> > > > > listening to Andrew's files, it's clear Peel played records 
> > that 
> > > > night first, then the F50, then 
> > > > > 3 sessions in a row in the last hour - I guess so he could 
> pre-
> > tape 
> > > > it and get off early, 
> > > > > maybe? - but unsurprisingly those who were taping for the F50 
> > > > stopped after the end of 
> > > > > the countdown for that night, and missed the sessions. I 
> > suspect 
> > > > this one will require a 
> > > > > visit to BBC Written Archives one day,
> > > > > 
> > > > > k
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "alanforduk" <alan@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have downloaded the full sets of 5 shows each for the 
> > 1986/87 
> > > > F50s 
> > > > > > from 
> > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html
> > > > > > and have discovered that shows named 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > JP871224a/b.mp3
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > are the wrong way round; 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also, for both years the shows are dated 22,23,24,29,30 
> > December
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In those days John's shows were Mon, Tue, Wed.
> > > > > > Ken's book only lists these F50 shows as a range of dates, 
> > thus
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1986
> > > > > > M 22/12 - W 31/12 [ie 22,23,24,29,30,31 - 6 days]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1987
> > > > > > T 22/12 - W 30/12 [ie 22,23,28,29,30 - 5 days]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Therefore the middle show for 1987 should be dated 28th not 
> > 24th.
> > > > > > This is borne out here
> > > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1987
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and for 1986
> > > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1986
> > > > > > concurs with /www.30242b.net/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > All this means that 
> > > > > > JP871224a/b.mp3 should be called 
> > > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3 (ie wrong year)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3 should be called 
> > > > > > JP871228a/b.mp3 (wrong day and year).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This also means that Ken is wrong to list 31/12/86 as a F50 
> > show.
> > > > > > Indeed, at the end of 30/12/86 John says "tomorrow night, 
> of 
> > > > course, 
> > > > > > it's Janice and John's New Year's Eve Special between 7.30 
> > and 
> > > > 9.00"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sherlock Ford
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>