1986/87 Festive 50s and Ken's Book

[andrewthezmore]

A possible answer...

my tape for nos 38-15 doesn't contain anything past Lush, but on the 
tape from the night before Peel says that tomorrow's sessions are 
from the Fall, The Farm and Prophecy of Doom. Fingers crossed he 
didn't change his mind.

[Lonnie Donnegan tape about to be fed through audacity, Dr M]


--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" <AndrewThezmore@...> 
wrote:
>
> Ken
> 
> The site and collection is all Gary's own hard work as far as I 
know 
> (with the help of contributors like Bill, Steve and DK), I've only 
> contributed a few shows along the way. Astonishing like you say, 
and 
> if anyone reading hasn't visited, why not?! http://www.30242.net
> 
> I'll check my tape of the 1990 F50 to see if I taped anymore than 
the 
> rundown itself.
> 
> Cheers
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry if I was garbled and did not mean to sound critical, just 
> spotted a glitch, I think, 
> > that's all. I think it's your stuff that's on 
> http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html
> > isn;t it, although I think Gary helped put it up or some such? 
> Anyway, all I noticed was 
> > this:
> > 
> > when I click on:
> > 22 December 91 part 1
> > http://www.30242b.net/Content/JP_FF/JP911222a.mp3
> > I get part 1 of the show of 5/1/92, with Hole and Milk
> > 
> > and also the file labelled as:
> > 28 December 91 part 1
> > http://www.30242b.net/Content/JP_FF/JP911228a.mp3
> > ...is actually part 2 of the show of 5/1/92, with Hole and Milk
> > 
> > Now to the 1990 'mystery'.
> > we know the F50 shows went like this:
> > St 22/12 (Simba Wanyika, MC 900ft Jesus & DJ Zero, Barkmarket) 
F50 
> 50-39
> > Sn 23/12 (Prophecy of Doom, plus 2 others unknown) F50 38-27
> > St 29/12 (Ride, Would-Be's, Levellers 5) F50 26-15
> > Sn 30/12 (Wedding Present, Babes in Toyland, and The Orb #1 at 
#10 
> in F50) F50 14-1
> > 
> > ...all we do not know is the identity of the two other 'unknown' 
> repeated sessions on 
> > 23/12. Why? Because Peel announces them teasingly at the start 
but 
> does not identify 
> > them, saying he's going to play them as a lump later on. In fact, 
> and most unusually, he 
> > plays them AFTER the F50 section for that night, so your tape 
> finished BEFORE we can find 
> > out what they were, that's all.
> > 
> > I'm enormously grateful for all those F50 shows you've shared 
which 
> have helped me nail 
> > down a few niggling gaps and blanks - and revealed one or two 
> errors - in my shows 
> > index revision.
> > 
> > so thanks for all the great recordings
> > 
> > k 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" <AndrewThezmore@> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > > not sure if you mean me ( i've upped the Milk/Hole show and 
> various 
> > > F50s in the past) but I wasn't sure what the problem/puzzle 
was? 
> > > Haven't got the 1990FF tapes to hand but can check at the 
weekend 
> if 
> > > there is a query?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If not me you referred to, many apologies for butting in
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > Andrew 
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Quite right, sir. It seems churlish to point this out on 
> Andrew's 
> > > astonishing site and 
> > > > collection, but something has gone wrong there. Footling 
around 
> a 
> > > bit further, I spotted 
> > > > that what is labelled as the first part of the show of 
22/12/91 
> is 
> > > actually the opening of 
> > > > the show of 5/1/92. Sorry. Can anyone help Andrew fix that?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, and that is indeed my mistake on the FF shows of 86. 
I'll 
> look 
> > > that up in Radio Times 
> > > > next time i'm in the Mitchell library. And thanks to Steve we 
> now 
> > > know the F50 and alltime 
> > > > F50 of 82 started a show earlier than I thought...
> > > > 
> > > > ...As I think I said here some time ago, at going to press 
time 
> I 
> > > was worried about space, 
> > > > and seeing as it was broadcast dates for new sessions that 
> mattered 
> > > most, I edited down 
> > > > what details I then had (culled mostly from repeat dates on 
> session 
> > > sheets and checking of 
> > > > some years, but not all, wiht Radio Times) about the 'best 
> of'/F50 
> > > shows to a summary 
> > > > statement. But over the past year or so, helped by various 
> persons 
> > > here gathered - nods 
> > > > to Brian, Jon, Paul, Steve, Steve and others - I've been 
> revising, 
> > > expanding back my shows 
> > > > index to try and get all those end of year show details 
> complete, 
> > > and am getting there, 
> > > > slowly but surely. I think we're now certain that the very 
last 
> > > year which featured multiple 
> > > > 'best sessions of the year' repeats over the festive season 
was 
> > > 1992, yes?
> > > > 
> > > > However, one problem likely to remain unsolved for now, is 
this 
> one:
> > > > 
> > > > Sn 23/12/90 (Prophecy of Doom, plus 2 others unknown) F50 38-
27
> > > > 
> > > > listening to Andrew's files, it's clear Peel played records 
> that 
> > > night first, then the F50, then 
> > > > 3 sessions in a row in the last hour - I guess so he could 
pre-
> tape 
> > > it and get off early, 
> > > > maybe? - but unsurprisingly those who were taping for the F50 
> > > stopped after the end of 
> > > > the countdown for that night, and missed the sessions. I 
> suspect 
> > > this one will require a 
> > > > visit to BBC Written Archives one day,
> > > > 
> > > > k
> > > > 
> > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "alanforduk" <alan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have downloaded the full sets of 5 shows each for the 
> 1986/87 
> > > F50s 
> > > > > from 
> > > > > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html
> > > > > and have discovered that shows named 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3
> > > > > and
> > > > > JP871224a/b.mp3
> > > > > 
> > > > > are the wrong way round; 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also, for both years the shows are dated 22,23,24,29,30 
> December
> > > > > 
> > > > > In those days John's shows were Mon, Tue, Wed.
> > > > > Ken's book only lists these F50 shows as a range of dates, 
> thus
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1986
> > > > > M 22/12 - W 31/12 [ie 22,23,24,29,30,31 - 6 days]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1987
> > > > > T 22/12 - W 30/12 [ie 22,23,28,29,30 - 5 days]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Therefore the middle show for 1987 should be dated 28th not 
> 24th.
> > > > > This is borne out here
> > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1987
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > and for 1986
> > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1986
> > > > > concurs with /www.30242b.net/
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > All this means that 
> > > > > JP871224a/b.mp3 should be called 
> > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3 (ie wrong year)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > and
> > > > > JP861224a/b.mp3 should be called 
> > > > > JP871228a/b.mp3 (wrong day and year).
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This also means that Ken is wrong to list 31/12/86 as a F50 
> show.
> > > > > Indeed, at the end of 30/12/86 John says "tomorrow night, 
of 
> > > course, 
> > > > > it's Janice and John's New Year's Eve Special between 7.30 
> and 
> > > 9.00"
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sherlock Ford
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>