[peel] Re: 1977 Festive 50 (a billion questions (very slight exaggeration))

[bill.spiby@...]

Hi Martin,

I've noted all those points. Many thanks.
Nobody Go Run Me is a 76 release as far as I can tell for both the single and the Ghetto Vibes LP.
There is a 12" of Waiting in Vain that seems to consist of WIV and another track on side 1 and a 4 track mix on side 2. I've been unable to get a release date or track length for this though. The 7" though runs 4.00 but the LP runs up to 4.16 (seen variety of times).

Regards
Bill
> 
> From: Martin Wheatley <martinw@...>
> Date: 2008/10/23 Thu PM 11:37:56 BST
> To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 1977 Festive 50 (a billion questions (very
>   slight exaggeration))
> 
> 
> 
> This'll be a lengthy one as it's the reply to your list
> As far as I'm aware there were no session tracks this early in the Festive
> Fifties so you can eliminate those
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > John Peel Festive 50 1977 (Forgotten 50 or 61 to be precise)
> > > > 1 The Motors - Dancing the Night Away
> > > > Probably played single (3.13)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 2 Althea & Donna � Uptown Top Ranking
> > > > I think JP could only have played single, although despite its
> > > > megahit status I can't find a pre-early 78 release for it. Anyone
> > > > help with details about this one?
> 
> We've covered this!!!!
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 3 The Motors � You Beat the Hell Out of Me
> > > > Probably B side of Be What You Gotta Be single (2.50)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 4 The Rezillos � I Can't Stand My Baby
> > > > Had to be the single (2.35)
> > > >
> > > > 5 John Cooper Clarke � Suspended Sentence
> > > > Had to be the single
> > > >
> > > > 6 Desperate Bicycles � Smokescreen
> > > > Had to be the single (2.03)
> > > >
> > > > 7 Merlene Webber � Right Track
> > > > Can't find a pre-1978 release for this, so was JP playing it from a
> > > > promo copy of MW's On the Right Track LP (2.45)?
> It would be from the Jamaican pre of the 
> single  The pre would always be earlier
> than any UK release
> 
> > > >
> > > > 8 Neil Young � Like a Hurricane
> > > > Probably full length version from American Stars `n' Bars LP (8.14).
> > > > This is the version he plays in 1978's chart.
> > > > Eligible: Single (5.24)
> > > >
> > > > 9 The Clash � Complete Control
> > > > Had to be single (3.10)
> > > >
> > > > 10 Frankie Miller � Be Good to Yourself
> > > > I'm guessing single and Full House LP version are the same (2.56)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 11 The Sex Pistols � Holidays in the Sun
> > > > Single and Never Mind The Bollocks version are identical (3.20)
> > > >
> > > > 12 The Lurkers � Shadow
> > > > Had to be single
> > > >
> > > > 13 J. Ayes and Ranking Trevor � Truly
> > > > These reggae releases are never simple, are they? Think this one was
> > > > originally a 1974 single release but was released as a 12" in 1977.
> > > > It would seem likely that the '77 version is what was played although
> > > > technically one could call the '74 version eligible as well. Is the
> > > > Disco Mix and the 12" mix one and the same? If not, when was Disco
> > > > Mix released?
> 
> If it has the singer and the toaster on it it's probably the 12"
> 
> > > >
> > > > 14 Pink Floyd � Pigs
> > > > Would seem likely to be Pigs (Three Different Ones) (11.28) from
> > > > Animals LP, but any thoughts on eligibility of Pigs on the Wing 1
> > > > (1.24) and Pigs on the Wing 2 (1.27) from the same? And if you accept
> > > > those then that also has to be extended to Pigs on the Wing (8 track
> > > > version) (3.26)
> 
> > > >
> > > > 15 Johnny Moped � Incendiary Device
> > > > Had to be B side of No One single (2.06)
> > > >
> > > > 16 Some Chicken � New Religion
> > > > Had to be Single (2.17)
> > > >
> > > > 17 Culture � See Them Come
> > > > Tentative guess that it was Two Sevens Clash LP (3.24) version. Is
> > > > the Jah Jah See Them A Come single version the same as LP? Other
> > > > contenders See Dem A Come 12" (6.56) and See Dem Dub (3.58). Can
> > > > anyone confirm whether the last 3 versions were '77 releases?
> Again probably from a Jamaican pre single
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 18 The Motors � Emergency
> > > > Had to be session
> 
>  From the album I would have thought
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 19 The Yobs � The Worm Song
> > > > Had to be B side of Run Rudolph Run single (The Yobs are actually The
> > > > Boys by the way for those who didn't know (i.e. me))
> > > >
> > > > 20 The Boys � Box Number
> > > > Probably played The Boys LP (2.33) version sometimes titled Box
> > > > Number 939
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 21 The Stranglers � London Lady
> > > > Think B side of (Get A) Grip (On Yourself) single is same as Rattus
> > > > Norvegicus LP (2.25). Anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 22 Sham 69 � I Don't Wanna
> > > > Had to be single (1.46)
> > > >
> > > > 23 The Ramones � Pinhead
> > > > Think B side of Swallow My Pride single is same as Leave Home LP
> > > > (2.42) version. Anyone?
> > > >
> > > > 24 Jah Woosh � Freedom Connection
> > > > Another funny one because as far as I can tell it wasn't available at
> > > > all until 1978, so JP must have been playing promo 12". Anyone got
> > > > any further info on this one?
> 
> Again probably the Jamican pre single so UK release dates would be irrelevant
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 25 Status Quo � Can't Give You More
> > > > Had to be from Rockin' All Over the World LP (4.15)
> > > >
> > > > 26 Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer � Blue Wind
> > > > Well it has to be live version on Jeff Beck with the Jan Hammer Group
> > > > Live (5.47) LP but I have various running times for this. Is it case
> > > > of later CD releases not fading the original recording session take
> > > > as early?
> 
> Running times can be confusing because it depends whether you time from
> beginning to the end of the track or beginning of 
> the track to the beginning of
> the next one.  The later (which is surprisingly common can lead to a
> variety of different timings for the same 
> thing).  I've discovered this the hard way
> when digitising my records!
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 27 The Clash � White Riot
> > > > I'm going for the The Clash LP (1.56) version over the single (2.01)
> > > > but it's a fairly arbitrary guess. Future 50's are not particularly
> > > > helpful as JP seemed to alternate between the two.
> > > >
> 
> On punk singles my instinct is that Peel would go for the single but
> it goes to show you never can tell - to coin a phrase!
> 
> 
> > > > 28 Iggy Pop � Success
> > > > I'm assuming Lust for Life LP version (4.23) and Lust for Life single
> > > > B side are the same despite different spelling `Succes'. Anyone?
> > > >
> > > > 29 Generation X � Your Generation
> > > > Going for the single (3.11)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 30 King Short Shirt � Nobody Go Run Me
> > > > Guessing single is the same as Ghetto Vibes LP (5.00). Anyone?
> Could be either a pre or the album because I have 
> a feeling this actually an older track
> 
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 31 The Lurkers � Love Story
> > > > Had to be B side of Shadow single
> > > >
> > > > 32 Bob Marley & The Wailers � Waiting in Vain
> > > > Think single and Exodus LP version are the same (4.03). Anyone?
> > > >
> 
> Was there a long 12"?
> 
> 
> > > > 33 Dr Feelgood � Paradise
> > > > Had to be Sneakin' Suspicion LP version (4.06)
> > > >
> > > > 34 Five Hand Reel � Cruel Brother
> > > > Well given that it's listed as by Five Hand Reel, then it's got to be
> > > > For A' That LP version (5.37). However, Dick Gaughan did release solo
> > > > version (earlier the same year I think) on Sandy Bell's Ceilidh LP,
> > > > so arguably this is eligible
> 
> No way the 2 could be confused
> 
> > > >
> > > > 35 The Saints � I'm Stranded
> > > > Think single, split EP and I'm Stranded LP versions are the same
> > > > (3.25). Anyone?
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 36 David Bowie � "Heroes"
> > > > Oh! David. What are you doing to me? Going for the "Heroes" LP
> > > > version (6.07) as played in '78 rundown
> > > > Eligible: Single edit (3.32)
> > > > French language single edit "Heros"
> > > > German language single edit "Helden"
> > > > English/French hybrid full length version
> > > > English/German hybrid full length version
> > > > Can anyone confirm release date for the last 2 versions?
> > > >
> > > > 37 The Users � Sick on You
> > > > Had to be single (3.20)
> > > >
> > > > 38 X Ray Spex � Oh Bondage Up Yours!
> > > > Going for the single (2.45)
> > > > Eligible: Live version on Live at the Roxy WC2
> Definitely the single
> 
> > > >
> > > > 39 The Boomtown Rats � Lookin' After Number 1
> > > > Think probably played single and that The Boomtown Rats LP version is
> > > > the same (3.06). Anyone?
> > > > Eligible: Session
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 40 June Tabor � No Man's Land
> > > > Probably played Ashes and Diamond LP version (7.40)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> The album version
> 
> > > >
> > > > 41 The Damned � Neat Neat Neat
> > > > Think single, New Rose 12" and Damned Damned Damned LP versions are
> > > > identical (2.46). Anyone?
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 42 Ry Cooder � The Dark End of the Street
> > > > Probably Live version on Show Time (Chicken Skin Revue) (6.43)
> > > > Eligible (ish): Boomer's Story LP (3.25) although released in 1972!
> Song and artist were favourites of Andy Kershaw so probably introduced
> to Peel by him
> 
> 
> 
> > > >
> > > > 43 Suburban Studs � Questions
> > > > Had to be single (2.57)
> > > >
> > > > 44 Elizabeth Archer & the Equators � Feel Like Making Love
> > > > Going for the single
> > > > Eligible: B side `Version'
> > > > 12" was this released in '77 though?
> > > >
> > > > 45 Dave Edmunds � I Knew the Bride
> > > > Think single and Get It LP version are identical (2.57). Anyone?
> > > > Eligible: Session as David Edmund's Rockpile
> > > >
> > > > 46 The Jam � Away from the Numbers
> > > > Had to be from In the City LP (4.03)
> > > >
> > > > 47 Wreckless Eric � (I'd Go the) Whole Wide World
> > > > Probably played single
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 48 Roy Buchanan � Green Onions
> > > > Probably from Loading Zone LP. Was US Single same version?
> > > >
> > > > 49 Generation X � Wild Dub (Version)
> > > > Had to be B side of Wild Youth single (3.47). Any thoughts on
> > > > eligibility of A side?
> > > >
> > > > 50 Snatch � I.R.T.
> > > > B side of Stanley single. Was reissued later that year A side (think
> > > > it's the same version � can anyone confirm?)
> I think the Snatch tracks ssued in different pairings in the US
> and that's what Peel played
> 
> > > >
> > > > 51 The Sex Pistols � Pretty Vacant
> > > > Single and Never Mind The Bollocks version are identical (3.15)
> > > >
> > > > 52 The Oldham Tinkers � John Willie's Ferret
> > > > Had to be from Sit Thee Down LP
> Another Kershaw special!
> 
> > > >
> > > > 53 Peter Tosh � Stepping Razor
> > > > Think this had to be from Equal Rights LP (5.45). Anyone help?
> > > >
> 
> Again - maybe from a Jamaican pre
> 
> 
> > > > 54 The Clash � Capital Radio
> > > > Had to be from Capital Radio EP (2.09) (i.e. Capital Radio One
> > > > version)
> > > >
> > > > 55 Elvis Costello and The Attractions � Watching the Detectives
> > > > Had to be single (3.43)
> > > >
> > > > 56 The Motors � Bringing in the Morning Light
> > > > Had to be session
> > > >
> 
> Again it's on the first album in 1977
> 
> 
> > > > 57 Eddie & The Hot Rods � Beginning of the End
> > > > Probably played from Life on the Line LP (8.18)
> > > > Eligible: Session
> > > >
> > > > 58 Devo � Jocko Homo
> > > > Had to be B side of Mongoloid single (3.15)
> > > >
> > > > 59 The Buzzcocks � Whatever Happened To...?
> > > > Had to be B side of Orgasm Addict single (2.08)
> > > >
> > > > 60 Little Feat � Rocket in My Pocket
> > > > Had to be from LP Time Loves a Hero 3.25
> > > >
> > > > 61 The Sex Pistols � God Save the Queen
> > > > Single and Never Mind The Bollocks version are identical (3.20)
> > > >
> > > > Look forward to hearing from you all.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Bill Spiby
> > > >
> 
> 
> 

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