Peel Headstone

[thebarguest]

sorry ken, i wasn't getting at you....

uk media/society has changed greatly since the 80's - thatcherism
is integrated into the political status quo. all popular media has
decided on a mandate of 'sell copy or else' (thatcherism).

we have had thatcherite governance since 1979 - that's democracy.
that's also the major flaw of "democracy" - you only need 51 percent
of the people to decide the government. 

like you i'll view any intelligent media regardless of historic
allegiance.......

ps only a very severe recession would get rid of thatcherism.....
   but who could step in .....



--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@...> wrote:
>
> er, not entirely sure what you're implying there, mate, but, 
boring / 
> pompous polytechnic media studies lecturer point coming up, do not 
> make the mistake of conflating the party political position of any 
> newspaper with that of its readers, who may buy it or read it for a 
> whole variety of reasons. Nearly as many Sun readers through the 
80s 
> and early 90s when asked described themselves as Labour voters as 
> Tory voters, for example. There is a significant minority of 
> Telegraph readers from the liberal left, while the political 
> positions of both the Financial Times and (most recently) The 
Times, 
> have often been to the left of their traditional readership. At any 
> level, the Telegraph remains a provocative, generally well-written 
> and entertaining newspaper, though not the force it once was. I 
like 
> to read things I disagree with, keeps me on my toes. I may buy The 
> Guardian sometimes for the soduko and the sports section (the 
> Scottish papers, including those of my first choice daily read, the 
> Glasgow Herald, are all full of Scottish football), but its Op-ed 
> pages - with honorable exceptions like Timothy Garton Ash and Ian 
> Jack - are totally up themselves. 
> 
> sorry will shut up and go to bed now
> 
> k
> 
> 
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" <thebarguest@> wrote:
> >
> > reminds me of the early 80's when mark e smith said in interviews
> > that he supported thatcher - the nme were flumoxed, they loved his
> > music but ........
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry, there was a leader too, true, but both pieces have 
> produced 
> > > some comments and letters already on the Telegraph site, some 
> > nutty, 
> > > most supportive of John and critical of the paper. It does seem 
a 
> > > particularly easy and mean target to go for on Valentine's 
Day...
> > > 
> > > PS. I think I should at this point point out that the single 
> > greatest 
> > > number of factual errors I spotted about Peel around his death 
> > > appeared in the Telegraph. Their page 3 report on the day after 
> the 
> > > funeral was particularly remiss. I have always enjoyed shocking 
> my 
> > > journalism students by saying that the Telegraph is one of the 
> two 
> > > national papers I enjoy most, and yet which also drives me 
crazy, 
> > but 
> > > I must say my feelings about the Telegraph have changed 
> > dramatically 
> > > since those days in late 2004. You could always trust its 
foreign 
> > and 
> > > business coverage, for example, whatever you thought about 
other 
> > > stuff. Now, I'm not so sure...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is the offending column, by Michael Henderson, in 
> Saturday's 
> > > > edition:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?
> > > > xml=/opinion/2008/02/16/do1603.xml
> > > > 
> > > > I was tempted to write but what's the point
> > > > 
> > > > k
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "grang354" <colin_ellis@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > And here's a piece from the Torygraph, which provoked a 
> > response 
> > > > from a 
> > > > > fogeyish leader writer:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
> > > > > xml=/news/2008/02/13/npeel113.xml
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Brewer" <lists@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 12, 2008 3:18 PM, Julian Porter <spiggytopes55@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7240623.stm
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > There's a picture here:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/norfolkodyssey/2223211584/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Of *course* someone's left a demo for him.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > Rob Brewer rob@ http://www.rbrwr.org
> > > > > > "The [central limit theorem] would have been personified 
by 
> > the 
> > > > Greeks
> > > > > > and deified, if they had known of it." -- Francis Galton
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>