1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!

[vinpinman]

Thanks to Bill for his votes in the new '76 Festive 50, but there are 
plenty of you on this newsgroup who haven't yet voted for the year 
specific chart that I'm putting together...

http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2008/07/1976-revisited.html



--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" <thebarguest@...> wrote:
>
> Deaf School !
> 
> Such an underrated band, so unlucky, they were a few years too
> early to be part of that Madness, Dury "UK vaudeville" scene ....
> 
> Actually they were much better than Madness, who only had one
> good song "One Step Beyond". After that they were chart whores.
> 
> Check out the Deaf School anthology "What A Way To End It All" -
> all the albums and BBC sessions on a 2cd set !
> 
> They couldn't exist now - the name is too un-PC !
> 
> Bye
> The Headmaster
> 
> 
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > ok, i'll check the scripts, but my full version of the shows 
index 
> suggests I found the 
> > following:
> > 
> > 1976
> > M 27/12 (Be-Bop Deluxe, Jess Roden, Brand X #2, Aswad, Prior and 
> Tabor 1st TX 
> > 27/10/75), and first ever Festive 50 begins, numbers #44-35
> > 
> > T 28/12 (Stretch #3, Bill Aitken, Racing Cars #2) & Festive 50 
#35-
> 25
> > 
> > W 29/12 (Bowles Brothers, Graham Parker and the Rumour #2) & 
> Festive 50 #24-19
> > 
> > Th 30/12 (Deaf School, Frankie Miller Band) & Festive 50 #18-11
> > 
> > F 31/12 no show
> > 
> > 
> > 1977
> > M 3/1 (Chieftains, Thin Lizzy, Bill Aitken) & Festive 50 #10-1
> > 
> > ken
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > > 
> > > I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful.
> > > 
> > > And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, 
I 
> would never have 
> > dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up 
> (and such good quality, 
> > complete ones at that).
> > > 
> > > Kind regards
> > > Bill Spiby
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: "ken garner" <ken_garner@>
> > > > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST
> > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your 
> worries that alternate versions 
> > > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first 
F50, 
> somewhere here I do 
> > have (I 
> > > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, 
which 
> will list the exact track 
> > and 
> > > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are 
reliable. 
> I could be wrong but I 
> > am 
> > > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I 
have 
> read the scripts) that no 
> > BBC 
> > > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks...
> > > > 
> > > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of 
incurring 
> the wrath of the BBC, I 
> > could 
> > > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative 
examples 
> of such things, I 
> > suppose 
> > > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry].
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am 
not 
> aware of any official 
> > audio 
> > > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the 
> experimental online BBC 
> > programme 
> > > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not 
> think the Sound 
> > Archive at 
> > > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any 
of 
> these shows popping up 
> > > > recently as rips or streams.
> > > > 
> > > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely 
> certain that someone 
> > somewhere 
> > > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on 
a 
> reel to reel machine. 
> > It's 
> > > > just finding that person!
> > > > 
> > > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs...
> > > > 
> > > > k
> > > > 
> > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... 
> nay... an 
> > > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've 
> been on a 
> > > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: 
> primarily in 
> > > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version 
released 
> or 
> > > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically 
> eligible). I'm 
> > > > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So 
> welcome to 
> > > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing 
> they'll be 
> > > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off 
> work)). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly 
> know the 
> > > > > answer to
> > > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 
1976 
> Festive 
> > > > > Fifty broadcast?
> > > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, 
> indicating the 
> > > > > versions broadcast?
> > > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any 
> recollections 
> > > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!)
> > > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard 
to 
> each 
> > > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me 
down 
> in flames 
> > > > > (that's why I'm listing them).
> > > > > 
> > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven
> > > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) 
and 
> indeed 
> > > > > does during the 78FF
> > > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - 
anyone?) 
> the live 
> > > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) 
> > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is 
this 
> edited 
> > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla
> > > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted 
Love 
> Songs 
> > > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 
Festive 
> Fifty 
> > > > > broadcast]
> > > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43)
> > > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History 
of 
> Eric 
> > > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as 
Layla 
> and 
> > > > > Other Assorted Love Songs
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row
> > > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays 
it 
> from 
> > > > > there for 78FF broadcast]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes
> > > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower
> > > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the 
single 
> is 
> > > > > identical
> > > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39)
> > > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate 
take 
> (4.00). 
> > > > > Was it available in UK?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6 Free – All Right Now
> > > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP 
> plays before 
> > > > > 78FF]
> > > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18)
> > > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?)
> > > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?)
> > > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They
> > > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight
> > > > > Eligible: Peel Session
> > > > > 
> > > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond
> > > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is 
> that this 
> > > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this 
is 
> what JP 
> > > > > plays in the 78FF.
> > > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be 
> eligible also 
> > > > > (12.28)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life
> > > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). 
> Suppose the 
> > > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? 
Did 
> we even 
> > > > > get the run out groove?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone
> > > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical 
> (6.09) and 
> > > > > that JP would have played it from one of these.
> > > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18)
> > > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09)
> > > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. 
> Don't think 
> > > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main 
> version.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron
> > > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of 
> Cimarron LP 
> > > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run 
up 
> to the 
> > > > > 78FF
> > > > > 
> > > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer
> > > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar
> > > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're 
> identical.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude
> > > > > Has to be the single version (7.05)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed
> > > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. 
> Help anyone?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight 
Return)
> > > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think 
> single is 
> > > > > identical despite name change.
> > > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and 
> More 
> > > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. 
> What 
> > > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not 
listed 
> as Slight 
> > > > > Return but assuming it is that version.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever
> > > > > Has to be the single version (4.10)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus
> > > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love
> > > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34)
> > > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same 
LP 
> (14.25) 
> > > > > (again depending on when vote took place)
> > > > > The Top Gear session (6.09)
> > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is 
> this edited 
> > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually 
> `available' 
> > > > > at this point. I don't think so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird 
> > > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I 
think 
> single is 
> > > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast.
> > > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) 
> (remastered 
> > > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for 
> extra 
> > > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm 
> guessing 
> > > > > live single is identical.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George
> > > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was 
> during 78FF 
> > > > > broadcast.
> > > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm
> > > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what 
is 
> played in 
> > > > > run up to 78FF
> > > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit
> > > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) 
> version. I 
> > > > > think there the same.
> > > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 
2.58. 
> Can 
> > > > > anyone confirm?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time
> > > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same 
> version
> > > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love
> > > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is 
> indeed 
> > > > > version played in run-up to 78FF
> > > > > 
> > > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues
> > > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version 
(5.04)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way
> > > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get 
> (5.15). I 
> > > > > think the single is the same version.
> > > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind 
> (7.40) 
> > > > > depending on when voting took place
> > > > > 
> > > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again
> > > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 
> 78FF run-up
> > > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun
> > > > > Got to be the single version
> > > > > 
> > > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready
> > > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry
> > > > > Probably the version from Live!
> > > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner
> > > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka 
> Roadrunner 
> > > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited 
to 
> Richman 
> > > > > only
> > > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) 
which 
> crops up 
> > > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) 
> when 
> > > > > reissued with the above
> > > > > 
> > > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May
> > > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46)
> > > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version 
with 
> running 
> > > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky
> > > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky 
LP 
> (5.36). 
> > > > > Is single the same version?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir
> > > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe
> > > > > Probably the single version (3.30)
> > > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the 
> Film Jimi 
> > > > > Hendrix (3.50)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica
> > > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters 
(7.31)
> > > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00)
> > > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar 
Gas 
> (9.05) 
> > > > > depending on when voting took place
> > > > > 
> > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash
> > > > > Probably played the single (3.43)
> > > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star
> > > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18)
> > > > > Eligible: single (2.44)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright 
> Lights 
> > > > > Tonight
> > > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP
> > > > > 
> > > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer
> > > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version
> > > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs
> > > > > The BBC session version
> > > > > 
> > > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow
> > > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane
> > > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical 
> (8.33)
> > > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides 
(not 
> sure and 
> > > > > still it would essentially be same version)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire
> > > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06)
> > > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07)
> > > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this 
was 
> > > > > available in UK.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline
> > > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease
> > > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same
> > > > > 
> > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records
> > > > > Has to be the single
> > > > > 
> > > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' 
> > > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one 
he 
> favours 
> > > > > for the 78FF run-up.
> > > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 50 Yes – And You and I
> > > > > Close to the Edge (10.08)
> > > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33)
> > > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two 
sides. 
> Not 
> > > > > really alternative version!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Look forward to those responses
> > > > > Regards Bill
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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