1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!

[thebarguest]

Deaf School !

Such an underrated band, so unlucky, they were a few years too
early to be part of that Madness, Dury "UK vaudeville" scene ....

Actually they were much better than Madness, who only had one
good song "One Step Beyond". After that they were chart whores.

Check out the Deaf School anthology "What A Way To End It All" -
all the albums and BBC sessions on a 2cd set !

They couldn't exist now - the name is too un-PC !

Bye
The Headmaster



--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" <ken_garner@...> wrote:
>
> 
> ok, i'll check the scripts, but my full version of the shows index 
suggests I found the 
> following:
> 
> 1976
> M 27/12 (Be-Bop Deluxe, Jess Roden, Brand X #2, Aswad, Prior and 
Tabor 1st TX 
> 27/10/75), and first ever Festive 50 begins, numbers #44-35
> 
> T 28/12 (Stretch #3, Bill Aitken, Racing Cars #2) & Festive 50 #35-
25
> 
> W 29/12 (Bowles Brothers, Graham Parker and the Rumour #2) & 
Festive 50 #24-19
> 
> Th 30/12 (Deaf School, Frankie Miller Band) & Festive 50 #18-11
> 
> F 31/12 no show
> 
> 
> 1977
> M 3/1 (Chieftains, Thin Lizzy, Bill Aitken) & Festive 50 #10-1
> 
> ken
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> > 
> > I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful.
> > 
> > And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I 
would never have 
> dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up 
(and such good quality, 
> complete ones at that).
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Bill Spiby
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "ken garner" <ken_garner@>
> > > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST
> > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your 
worries that alternate versions 
> > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, 
somewhere here I do 
> have (I 
> > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which 
will list the exact track 
> and 
> > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. 
I could be wrong but I 
> am 
> > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have 
read the scripts) that no 
> BBC 
> > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks...
> > > 
> > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring 
the wrath of the BBC, I 
> could 
> > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples 
of such things, I 
> suppose 
> > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry].
> > > 
> > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not 
aware of any official 
> audio 
> > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the 
experimental online BBC 
> programme 
> > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not 
think the Sound 
> Archive at 
> > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of 
these shows popping up 
> > > recently as rips or streams.
> > > 
> > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely 
certain that someone 
> somewhere 
> > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a 
reel to reel machine. 
> It's 
> > > just finding that person!
> > > 
> > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs...
> > > 
> > > k
> > > 
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... 
nay... an 
> > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. 
> > > > 
> > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've 
been on a 
> > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: 
primarily in 
> > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released 
or 
> > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically 
eligible). I'm 
> > > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So 
welcome to 
> > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing 
they'll be 
> > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off 
work)). 
> > > > 
> > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly 
know the 
> > > > answer to
> > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 
Festive 
> > > > Fifty broadcast?
> > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, 
indicating the 
> > > > versions broadcast?
> > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any 
recollections 
> > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!)
> > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to 
each 
> > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down 
in flames 
> > > > (that's why I'm listing them).
> > > > 
> > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976
> > > > 
> > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven
> > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and 
indeed 
> > > > does during the 78FF
> > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) 
the live 
> > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) 
> > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this 
edited 
> > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > > > 
> > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla
> > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love 
Songs 
> > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive 
Fifty 
> > > > broadcast]
> > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43)
> > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of 
Eric 
> > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla 
and 
> > > > Other Assorted Love Songs
> > > > 
> > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row
> > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it 
from 
> > > > there for 78FF broadcast]
> > > > 
> > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes
> > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21)
> > > > 
> > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower
> > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single 
is 
> > > > identical
> > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39)
> > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take 
(4.00). 
> > > > Was it available in UK?
> > > > 
> > > > 6 Free – All Right Now
> > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP 
plays before 
> > > > 78FF]
> > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18)
> > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?)
> > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?)
> > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24)
> > > > 
> > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They
> > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight
> > > > Eligible: Peel Session
> > > > 
> > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond
> > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is 
that this 
> > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is 
what JP 
> > > > plays in the 78FF.
> > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be 
eligible also 
> > > > (12.28)
> > > > 
> > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life
> > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). 
Suppose the 
> > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did 
we even 
> > > > get the run out groove?
> > > > 
> > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone
> > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical 
(6.09) and 
> > > > that JP would have played it from one of these.
> > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18)
> > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09)
> > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. 
Don't think 
> > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main 
version.
> > > > 
> > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron
> > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of 
Cimarron LP 
> > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up 
to the 
> > > > 78FF
> > > > 
> > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer
> > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29)
> > > > 
> > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar
> > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're 
identical.
> > > > 
> > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude
> > > > Has to be the single version (7.05)
> > > > 
> > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed
> > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. 
Help anyone?
> > > > 
> > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)
> > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think 
single is 
> > > > identical despite name change.
> > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and 
More 
> > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. 
What 
> > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed 
as Slight 
> > > > Return but assuming it is that version.
> > > > 
> > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever
> > > > Has to be the single version (4.10)
> > > > 
> > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus
> > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23)
> > > > 
> > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love
> > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34)
> > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP 
(14.25) 
> > > > (again depending on when vote took place)
> > > > The Top Gear session (6.09)
> > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is 
this edited 
> > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually 
`available' 
> > > > at this point. I don't think so.
> > > > 
> > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird 
> > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think 
single is 
> > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast.
> > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) 
(remastered 
> > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for 
extra 
> > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm 
guessing 
> > > > live single is identical.
> > > > 
> > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George
> > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was 
during 78FF 
> > > > broadcast.
> > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13)
> > > > 
> > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm
> > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is 
played in 
> > > > run up to 78FF
> > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35)
> > > > 
> > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit
> > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) 
version. I 
> > > > think there the same.
> > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. 
Can 
> > > > anyone confirm?
> > > > 
> > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time
> > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same 
version
> > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24)
> > > > 
> > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love
> > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is 
indeed 
> > > > version played in run-up to 78FF
> > > > 
> > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues
> > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04)
> > > > 
> > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way
> > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get 
(5.15). I 
> > > > think the single is the same version.
> > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind 
(7.40) 
> > > > depending on when voting took place
> > > > 
> > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again
> > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 
78FF run-up
> > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38)
> > > > 
> > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun
> > > > Got to be the single version
> > > > 
> > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready
> > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54)
> > > > 
> > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry
> > > > Probably the version from Live!
> > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06)
> > > > 
> > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner
> > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka 
Roadrunner 
> > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to 
Richman 
> > > > only
> > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which 
crops up 
> > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) 
when 
> > > > reissued with the above
> > > > 
> > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May
> > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46)
> > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with 
running 
> > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm?
> > > > 
> > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky
> > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP 
(5.36). 
> > > > Is single the same version?
> > > > 
> > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir
> > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28)
> > > > 
> > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe
> > > > Probably the single version (3.30)
> > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the 
Film Jimi 
> > > > Hendrix (3.50)
> > > > 
> > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica
> > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31)
> > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00)
> > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas 
(9.05) 
> > > > depending on when voting took place
> > > > 
> > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash
> > > > Probably played the single (3.43)
> > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02)
> > > > 
> > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star
> > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18)
> > > > Eligible: single (2.44)
> > > > 
> > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright 
Lights 
> > > > Tonight
> > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP
> > > > 
> > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer
> > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version
> > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs
> > > > The BBC session version
> > > > 
> > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow
> > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42)
> > > > 
> > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane
> > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical 
(8.33)
> > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not 
sure and 
> > > > still it would essentially be same version)
> > > > 
> > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire
> > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06)
> > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07)
> > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was 
> > > > available in UK.
> > > > 
> > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline
> > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05)
> > > > 
> > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease
> > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same
> > > > 
> > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records
> > > > Has to be the single
> > > > 
> > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' 
> > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he 
favours 
> > > > for the 78FF run-up.
> > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24)
> > > > 
> > > > 50 Yes – And You and I
> > > > Close to the Edge (10.08)
> > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33)
> > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. 
Not 
> > > > really alternative version!
> > > > 
> > > > Look forward to those responses
> > > > Regards Bill
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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