[peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!

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Hi Ken,

I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful.

And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I would never have dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up (and such good quality, complete ones at that).

Kind regards
Bill Spiby

> 
> From: "ken garner" <ken_garner@...>
> Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST
> To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments!
> 
> 
> I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions 
> might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do have (I 
> think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track and 
> source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I am 
> pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no BBC 
> sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks...
> 
> I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I could 
> scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I suppose 
> [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry].
> 
> Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official audio 
> recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC programme 
> archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound Archive at 
> the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up 
> recently as rips or streams.
> 
> But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone somewhere 
> in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. It's 
> just finding that person!
> 
> Give me a few weeks on those PasBs...
> 
> k
> 
> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" <bill.spiby@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an 
> > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. 
> > 
> > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a 
> > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in 
> > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or 
> > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm 
> > not counting boots ï¿½ which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to 
> > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be 
> > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). 
> > 
> > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the 
> > answer to
> > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive 
> > Fifty broadcast?
> > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the 
> > versions broadcast?
> > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections 
> > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!)
> > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each 
> > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames 
> > (that's why I'm listing them).
> > 
> > John Peel Festive 50 1976
> > 
> > 1 Led Zeppelin ï¿½ Stairway to Heaven
> > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed 
> > does during the 78FF
> > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live 
> > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) 
> > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited 
> > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > 
> > 2 Derek and the Dominoes ï¿½ Layla
> > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs 
> > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty 
> > broadcast]
> > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43)
> > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric 
> > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and 
> > Other Assorted Love Songs
> > 
> > 3 Bob Dylan ï¿½ Desolation Row
> > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from 
> > there for 78FF broadcast]
> > 
> > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes
> > Has to be from Meddle (23.21)
> > 
> > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience ï¿½ All Along the Watchtower
> > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is 
> > identical
> > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39)
> > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). 
> > Was it available in UK?
> > 
> > 6 Free ï¿½ All Right Now
> > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before 
> > 78FF]
> > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18)
> > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?)
> > BBC In Concert version (again any details?)
> > Live version on Free Live! (6.24)
> > 
> > 7 Racing Cars ï¿½ They Shoot Horses Don't They
> > Probably from Downtown Tonight
> > Eligible: Peel Session
> > 
> > 8 Pink Floyd ï¿½ Shine on You Crazy Diamond
> > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this 
> > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP 
> > plays in the 78FF.
> > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also 
> > (12.28)
> > 
> > 9 The Beatles ï¿½ A Day in the Life
> > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the 
> > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even 
> > get the run out groove?
> > 
> > 10 Bob Dylan ï¿½ Like A Rolling Stone
> > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and 
> > that JP would have played it from one of these.
> > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18)
> > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09)
> > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think 
> > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version.
> > 
> > 11 Poco ï¿½ Rose of Cimarron
> > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP 
> > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the 
> > 78FF
> > 
> > 12 Neil Young ï¿½ Cortez the Killer
> > This has to be from Zuma (7.29)
> > 
> > 13 The Rolling Stones ï¿½ Brown Sugar
> > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical.
> > 
> > 14 The Beatles ï¿½ Hey Jude
> > Has to be the single version (7.05)
> > 
> > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed
> > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone?
> > 
> > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience ï¿½ Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)
> > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is 
> > identical despite name change.
> > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More 
> > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What 
> > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight 
> > Return but assuming it is that version.
> > 
> > 17 The Beatles ï¿½ Strawberry Fields Forever
> > Has to be the single version (4.10)
> > 
> > 18 Captain Beefheart ï¿½ Big Eyed Beans from Venus
> > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23)
> > 
> > 19 Led Zeppelin ï¿½ Whole Lotta Love
> > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34)
> > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) 
> > (again depending on when vote took place)
> > The Top Gear session (6.09)
> > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited 
> > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast?
> > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' 
> > at this point. I don't think so.
> > 
> > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd ï¿½ Freebird 
> > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is 
> > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast.
> > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered 
> > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra 
> > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing 
> > live single is identical.
> > 
> > 21 Van Morrison ï¿½ Madame George
> > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF 
> > broadcast.
> > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13)
> > 
> > 22 The Doors ï¿½ Riders on the Storm
> > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in 
> > run up to 78FF
> > Eligible: single edit (4.35)
> > 
> > 24 Jefferson Airplane ï¿½ White Rabbit
> > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I 
> > think there the same.
> > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can 
> > anyone confirm?
> > 
> > 25 Deep Purple ï¿½ Child in Time
> > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version
> > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24)
> > 
> > 26 Little Feat ï¿½ Long Distance Love
> > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed 
> > version played in run-up to 78FF
> > 
> > 27 Grinderswitch ï¿½ Pickin' the Blues
> > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04)
> > 
> > 28 Joe Walsh ï¿½ Rocky Mountain Way
> > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I 
> > think the single is the same version.
> > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) 
> > depending on when voting took place
> > 
> > 29 The Who ï¿½ Won't Get Fooled Again
> > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up
> > Eligible: single edit (3.38)
> > 
> > 30 The Misunderstood ï¿½ I Can Take You to the Sun
> > Got to be the single version
> > 
> > 31 Genesis ï¿½ Supper's Ready
> > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54)
> > 
> > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers ï¿½ No Woman, No Cry
> > Probably the version from Live!
> > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06)
> > 
> > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner
> > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner 
> > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman 
> > only
> > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up 
> > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when 
> > reissued with the above
> > 
> > 34 Rod Stewart ï¿½ Maggie May
> > I'm guessing the single (5.46)
> > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running 
> > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm?
> > 
> > 35 Jackson Browne ï¿½ Late for the Sky
> > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). 
> > Is single the same version?
> > 
> > 36 Led Zeppelin ï¿½ Kashmir
> > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28)
> > 
> > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience ï¿½ Hey Joe
> > Probably the single version (3.30)
> > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi 
> > Hendrix (3.50)
> > 
> > 38 Allman Brothers Band ï¿½ Jessica
> > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31)
> > Eligible: single edit (7.00)
> > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) 
> > depending on when voting took place
> > 
> > 39 The Rolling Stones ï¿½ Jumping Jack Flash
> > Probably played the single (3.43)
> > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02)
> > 
> > 40 Grateful Dead ï¿½ Dark Star
> > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18)
> > Eligible: single (2.44)
> > 
> > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson ï¿½ I Want to See the Bright Lights 
> > Tonight
> > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP
> > 
> > 42 Family ï¿½ The Weavers Answer
> > Probably played the Family Entertainment version
> > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs
> > The BBC session version
> > 
> > 43 Jackson Browne ï¿½ Fountain of Sorrow
> > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42)
> > 
> > 44 Bob Dylan ï¿½ Hurricane
> > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33)
> > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and 
> > still it would essentially be same version)
> > 
> > 45 The Doors ï¿½ Light My Fire
> > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06)
> > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07)
> > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was 
> > available in UK.
> > 
> > 46 Matching Mole ï¿½ O Caroline
> > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05)
> > 
> > 47 Roy Harper ï¿½ When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease
> > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same
> > 
> > 48 Wild Man Fischer ï¿½ Go to Rhino Records
> > Has to be the single
> > 
> > 49 Little Feat ï¿½ Willin' 
> > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours 
> > for the 78FF run-up.
> > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24)
> > 
> > 50 Yes ï¿½ And You and I
> > Close to the Edge (10.08)
> > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33)
> > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not 
> > really alternative version!
> > 
> > Look forward to those responses
> > Regards Bill
> >
> 
> 
> 

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