[peel] Re: Derby Box begins..
Stuart Brooks
stuartb@...
Sat Jan 3 17:59:17 CET 2015
OK that’s the Peel stuff now on the wiki.
The 5th February turned out to be the first 70 and last 25 minutes of the show. This indicates that the hour broadcast on 6music was more heavily edited than thought. Only 12 minutes now missing from the show. The waveform from the captured 6Music shows show how heavily compressed modern broadcasts are, at least on iPlayer. A copy of this comparison is in the Files folder in the group, called Compression.jpg.
The 13th February as Rob indicated added the first of the missing Capital Letters tracks. Interestingly following John’s comments on the show of the 5th, negatively comparing the session version of the Ruts track with the record, he does the same at the end of the Capital Letters track. He namechecks Bob Sargeant on each occasion, which must have been annoying for him....
Finally the 3rd show, the 19th Feb, unusually for a Derby Tape, is plagued with dropouts and channel imbalance. Hopefully a 1-off!
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A few more bits from the Derby Box to keep you going until Christmas
DB051 and DB052 were both sold on ebay prior to us getting the box - they contained the full Peel Show from 29 Jan 1979 (which we already have in full from the 400 Box) and the first hour or so of the Friday Rock Show from 2 Feb 1979 (which is also shared in full on the FRS Wiki) - so no content from those tapes, and no great loss.
DB053 continues with the last 48 minutes of that Friday Rock Show from 2 Feb 1979 - the quality may be better than the version already shared - I've not checked.
Mooo
The rest of DB053 and DB054 contain 1 hour 35 minutes of the Peel Show from 05 February 1979 - which is a show that was partially rebroadcast last month under the 6Music Remembers umbrella. Featuring an Undertones session - part of this recording was taped over with a section of the following week's FRS. Peel also mentions that he hadn't done the show the previous Thursday (1st Feb) because his house was flooded so Gambo stood in. This isn't noted in Ken's book and that Gambo-sub show isn't present in the Derby Box, or elsewhere on the wiki,
Mooo
DB054 also has a 23 minute segment from the Peel show on 13 February 1979 which has largely been shared before via the 400 Box but it does fill the gap in that file where the first Capitol Letters session track had been edited out.
Mooo
The balance of DB054 and DB055 then make up almost the entire FRS from 09 February 1978.
Unshared on the FRS wiki it features a Brand X Peel Session from 1976 and a Yardbirds BBC session from 1966 that isn't listed in either of Ken's books (other than it says they did "dozens"). This is the first duff tape I've had from the Derby Box (a Memorex MRX3 90) - starts out muffled, but comes good eventually. The Friday Night Connection had me racking my brains, especially as TV kept saying how obvious it was. When it finally dawned on me I felt pretty stupid!
Mooo
Hidden away at the end of DB055 is then 7 minutes of the start of Peel's show on 19 February 1979. Some content is already shared via a pause-button edit in the Hinton Box. Protex & Undertones in session. Interesting to hear Peel playing a pre- "Word-Up" Cameo track. Funk in the extreme!
Mooo
Now I really am going to take the rest of the year off - have a good one everybody.
On 16 December 2014 at 16:11, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
I hope you all enjoyed some brief respite from my Derby Box onslaught, but here is the next batch as I reach Tape 50... we might have to take another breather after all of these....
A few extra minutes from DB040 are added to the Peel show from 20 November 1978 which I shared last week
Mooo
54 minutes of the 1978 Festive 50 (where Peel also plays some of the tracks from the 1976 F50) appears on the show from 26 December 1978 on tapes DB037 & DB040
Mooo
An almost complete, previously unshared Peel show from 02 January 1979 appears on DB038 & DB039
A repeated Lena Lovich session
Mooo
1 hour 35 minutes of the Peel show on 8th January 1979. Previously partially shared from the 400 Box and the Hinton Box
The Damned and Fingerprintz in session. From tapes DB039 & DB041
Mooo
DB043 was one of the sample tapes that I ripped & shared right back at the start - this contained part of the Peel Show of 22 January 1979 (Leyton Buzzards session) and part of the Friday Rock Show of 19 January 1979 (ATV and Queen sessions)
Both these shows are supplemented by additional material on tapes DB049 and DB042 respectively
FRS 19 January 1979 is now 1 hour 11 minutes Mooo
Peel 22 January 1979 is now complete Mooo
Lastly we have three more Friday Rock Shows:
1 hour 38 minutes of the show from 29 December 1978. Most of this show is a Genesis gig and has been previously shared in varying quality. This is from DB037 & DB038
Mooo
The complete show from 12 January 1979 (previously unshared I believe) from DB041 & DB042
Sessions from The Only Ones and Stretch. To illustrate how similar Peel and FRS were at this time - Tommy Vance even plays a record at the wrong speed!
Mooo
The complete show from 26 January 1979 which has already been partially shared by someone else on the FRS wiki
Frankie Miller & Magazine sessions. From DB049 & DB050
Mooo
On 8 December 2014 at 22:07, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
Right - so now I have ripped the first two compilation tapes DB020 and DB030 and, thanks to Stu pointing out at least one mistake in dating and ordering the tracks, I think I now have them straight (famous last words)
9 tracks from 13 September 1978 are added from DB020 to the 2 that were already shared, so this show is now 36 mins 22 secs long
Mooo
The Revolutionaries track from 18 September 1978 is salvaged from DB020 adding a further 5 minutes or so to this show so the file length is now 1 hour 40 mins
Mooo
A further 20 minutes of 20 September 1978 appears on DB020, so the file length for that show is now 34 mins 47 seconds
Mooo
Another couple of tracks emerge on DB020 from the edited 25 September 1978 show. This is the one where he taped over the double play of Teenage Kicks. TKx2 is still missing, but the Leyton Buzzards and Devo tracks are reinserted to their rightful place. The file length is now 1 hour 49 mins
Mooo
19 minutes and 32 seconds remain of the show from 30 October 1978 on DB020 (Elvis Costello session)
Mooo
The previously messed up section of 31 October 1978 from DB030 now has the tracks from 2nd Nov removed and added some further tracks from DB020, so we have 17 minutes 34 seconds of this show
Mooo
And to correct the mistake with the original file I uploaded for 31st Oct, I've created a new file for 2 November 1978 that is 14 mins 53 secs
Mooo
I think that wraps it up. There is one more compilation tape (DB040) to rip, but there are only two shows on that tape (20-11-78 and 26-12-78) so it should be less complicated to work out . Then it's no more erased tapes/compilations after that - and should be plain sailing!
A special prize if you followed all that...
On 8 December 2014 at 13:41, RobF <robfleay@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Thanks Stuart
I need to sort the files out - there is some more of the 31 Oct 78 show on the compilation DB020, which I ripped last night
On 8 December 2014 at 12:40, 'Stuart Brooks' stuartb@... [peel] <peel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Yes looks like the tracks from Conway Twitty to Upsetters Dub Line are from 2nd November 1978
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Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Derby Box begins..
Hi Rob
Just trying to catch up on the wiki, but have got a bit stuck at 31st October 1978, the bits recorded onto DB030. Although the file begins with Can, the following tracks are not from this show according to the existing tracklisting. I think the ticks didn’t necessarily correspond to the dubbed version of the tape, but that the taper had them somewhere in his collection. I’ll try and work out what’s going on, I think it will be easier to create the tape pages and work from there.
Stuart
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A new batch of Derby Box tapes to start your Christmas countdown..
A complete, previously unshared show from 13 November 1978
Sessions from X Ray Spex and Matumbi
Mooo
The first 1 hour 10 minutes from the previously unshared show on 20 November 1978 and then another 20 minutes or so of edited highlights from the rest of the show. The taper erased the full last section of the show from tape DB033 and dubbed his favourite bits to DB030 (more of that further down*)
Sessions from Swell Maps and XTC.
Mooo
A nearly complete show (1 hr 50), previously unshared from 27 November 1978
Sessions from Lene Lovich and X Ray Spex
The first 1 Hour 20 minutes of 29 November 1978
Wailing Cocks and John Cooper Clarke in session. 55 minutes of the end of this show were shared from the 400 Box, so this completes up the missing first half
Mooo
*DB030 (along with DB020 and DB040 which I hope to pick up this week) is the edited highlights of a number of erased tapes - for which we still have the original handwritten tracklists for posterity. These are all marked on the Derby Box Wiki Page as ERASED - and the tracklisting scans are on Mooo prefixed with ErasedTapennn.jpg
So DB030 contains edited versions of
31 October 1978 19 mins taken from ErasedTape029 (ticked tracks) available on Mooo
07 November 1978 35 mins taken from ErasedTape030 (ticked tracks) available on Mooo
10 November 1978 20 mins taken from ErasedTape030 (ticked tracks) available on Mooo
On 29 November 2014 at 12:45, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
And it continues...
Just the intro of the show on 12 October 1978 survives - the majority of the show (Punilux and Dr Feelgood sessions) is available from the 400 Box - but the intro isn't present, so this makes for a nice little find.
Mooo
Then in direct contrast we have 3 shows in their entirety (give or take the tape flips)
A full, previously unshared show is from 19 October 1978
Sessions from Molesters and Prag Vec
Mooo
A full show from the following night 20 October 1978
An all-records show with 3 tracks from the new Status Quo album (this makes me chuckle that while he was heralding the arrival of Teenage Kicks, he was also still championing the Quo, who were heading into their decline). 45 minutes of this show have been shared previously from the 400 Box.
Mooo
And the full show from 23 October 1978
The Buzzcocks and The Fall in session - already available almost in full from the 400 Box, but this version adds the missing 4-5 minutes and is a significant sound upgrade
Mooo
And finally for today...
Only the first 24 minutes of the show from 24 October 1978
Yachts in session - previously unshared. A shame there isn't more of this one.
Mooo
On 26 November 2014 at 13:44, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
With so many tapes (of such excellent quality) to get through, I'm trying not to lose momentum, but apologies to anyone who is struggling to keep up with me posting them faster than you can listen to them!
Today we have
The full show from 02 October 1978
Previously unshared. The Mekons in session (and very good they are too)
Mooo
The full show from 03 October 1978
1 hour was previously available from the 400 Box, but here it's in its entirety and contains the debut Siouxsie album played in full (which Ken's book mentions as happening on 6th October - so the book could be wrong?) and a session from Wire.
Mooo
The first 47 minutes of the show on 11 October 1978
UK Subs in session. the rest of the show is available from the 400 Box so this makes the full show now available
Mooo
I might have a breather now, as I'm offline for a couple of days
On 25 November 2014 at 09:55, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
Thanks as always to Branko for extending the disk space on Mooo once more, so that we can share these amazing Derby Box recordings. There may well be an avalanche now that Stuart has made a start on his batch too..
Today from me we have:
1 hour and 35 minutes of 18 September 1978
A previously unshared show with sessions from Doctor Feelgood and Stiff Little Fingers
Mooo
1 hours and 45 minutes of the 25 September 1978
Already partially available from the 400 Box - this is the show where he plays Teenage Kicks twice, but the taper didn't like it and so taped over that segment?! The show then carries on to the end.(NB the missing section is luckily in the 400 Box version for posterity)
Sessions from Motorhead and The Skids
Mooo
Then we have a 15 minute selection of some tracks from 20 September 1978
This is what he taped over the Teenage Kicks section with - he compiled his favourite tracks from this show - and then erased the rest of that tape Original tracklisting was here (it also included the end of the 18 Sept 78 show). Some of his other favourite tracks from this show are compiled on Tape020 when I get there. Sessions from Prag Vec and Whitecats. It's a previously unshared show, so a shame that it was edited down like this.
Mooo
1 hour and 12 minutes of another unshared show from 28 September 1978
Sessions from Solid Senders (featuring Wilko Johnson) and Viv Stanshall - although Viv's Rawlinson End piece must have been towards the end of the show, therefore is missing from this tape.
Mooo
I've also managed to date the previously undated two tracks from DB010. These were also compiled from a tape which he then erased (thankfully it looks like he stopped doing this by about Tape040). They are from
13 September 1978
Sessions from Hot Water and Roy Harper. Original tracklisting was here and again, some more tracks from this show are compiled on Tape020 when I get there.
On 24 November 2014 at 10:16, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
Today's instalment of the Derby Box is as follows:
The last of the Gambaccini Stand-In tapes. This is 45 minutes from the start of the show on 07-September-1978
This was marked as Friday Rock Show on the original taper's spreadsheet - most likely based on the classic-rock tinged playlist. Repeated sessions from Graham Parker and Ian Dury. Previously unshared.
Mooo
The first 45 minutes of Peel on 11 September 1978
Sessions from Racing Cars and The Adverts. The next 45 minutes of the show are on tape DB013 which is one that the original taper sold on ebay (on account of DB013 having the first play of Teenage Kicks on Side B - 12th Sept). Hopefully the list member who bought this tape will share it soon! None of this show has been shared before
Mooo
95 minutes (a long C90!) of 14 September 1978
Only one session - from Radio Stars, a notable show for the second play of Teenage Kicks. Peel recounts being called by one of the band to say thanks for the initial play, and goes on to add that he has already heard of record company interest for them. "A really excellent record it is too"
20 minutes of this show were previously shared from the 400 Box (but didn't include the Undertones section)
Mooo
On 23 November 2014 at 22:50, Vince Nzo meltormentsingers@... [peel] <peel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Gruppo was a wonderful little Dutch band and the pride of alternative Holland. I love their singles and albums. Hans Vandenberg was a very smart writer with a bit of a Bonzo's streak with regards to clever lyrics. ...In Japan they don't have stereo but kimono...that kinda work :)
Vince
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To: peel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 11:15 AM
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This one willl be fascinating for me - I remember listening to it in the comfort of the parental home, three weeks before moving to a strange new town (Bristol) to be a student - I must have been impressed by the Gruppo Sportivo session because on my first night off the leash I walked two miles across the outskirts of town, map in hand, to see them play at what was then Bristol Polytechnic.
Soon after that, like so many bands, they disappeared entirely, presumably back to Holland, but I still dig out their single 'rock'n'roll' occasionally.
Rocker
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Today's Derby box tape is 90 minutes of the 06 September 1978 show - the third night of Paul Gambaccini standing in for Peel that week.
Sessions from Squeeze and Gruppo Sportivo
1978-09-06 (Paul Gambaccini)
I'm guessing from the slightly smoother playlists that went on this week, these were programmed by PG and not Peel
I wouldn't recommend you all rush to this one, I can only listen to about 5 seconds of Gambo before wanting to stick my head in a bucket of water. Back in 1978 he was particularly smarmy
Apologies to the Gambo fans
On 20 November 2014 14:04, RobF <robfleay@...> wrote:
I'm glad that the Derby Box is generating so many positive comments, it's been a joy to rip so far (and many many thanks to Steve for keeping on top the wiki!) but today's tape confused me completely for a moment
It turns out that the original taper erased his first attempts at Tape DB003 and Tape DB009 and dubbed his favourite bits to Tape DB010.
You can see from his original tracklists here
http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/RobF/Derby%20Box%20Tracklistings/ErasedTape003.jpg
http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/RobF/Derby%20Box%20Tracklistings/ErasedTape009.jpg
that everything he ticked - was dubbed to DB010 and the rest was sadly erased.
So DB010 is a compilation of sorts, but nonetheless contains
3 tracks from the end of 18 August 1978 which slightly extends the version of the show shared last week from DB002
Blast Furnace and Hits (AKA Snivelling Shits) in session
Mooo
Just over an hour of 30 August 1978 of which 40 minutes was previously avaible in lower quality on the 400 Box
Pirates and Punishment Of Luxury in session
Mooo
A couple of tracks that must have been dubbed from elsewhere (not clear where at this point) and it's impos sible to date them from the brief snippets of talking but I assume from 1978
1978-XX-XX/
And then some none-Peel content - a few songs from Rock On 19th Aug 1978 (I couldn't identify the presenter but Steve tells me it's Stuart Grundy) - includes an interview with City Boy
Rock On
On 20 November 2014 00:26, thebarguest@... [peel] <peel@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Many thanks Rob! Just played 780828 and it's one of the best Peel shows I've ever heard ! The audio quality is amazing, like it's from last week!Magazine were my fave band from 78 to 81. Maybe if I'd have heard the previous rip on headphones I'd have noticed it ; I hate digital artefacts - heard them a lot in the early days of mp3/sharing - like a faint bubbling noise, horrible...
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