From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 1 23:35:30 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 22:35:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: Trying to recover some lost music from John Peel Show 1993/4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1380663330.10835.YahooMailNeo@...> Scott That's a shame - maybe ask any fellow music loving pals if they have a secret stash. Glad you found one of your missing tracks - we often help people with such obscure requests but with so little to go on I thought you might be out of luck. I f you wanted to look at shows yourself for teh Zoltan you could scan the shows that have been uploaded between those dates but without a title may be difficult to locate! http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1993 and http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1994 may take you a while but a while of happiness. Mark ________________________________ From: "sadhakayuj@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2013, 9:19 Subject: [peel] RE: Trying to recover some lost music from John Peel Show 1993/4   @ Mark: Thanks for your reply. I don't have any JP shows, sorry. I never recorded whole shows just the stuff I liked. But I have many tracks from 1993/4 that I'm willing to share if anyone requires them. Though I know little about file sharing so need some advice if there's anything you'd like ;-) @ Barry: SUPERB! ! ! That's one down, one to go :-D Thanks for the help ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: the 'jan i love you track is ultraviolence (i think!). http://www.discogs.com/Ultraviolence-Life-Of-Destructor/master/63638 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W74MBz4l58 :) On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM, sadhakayuj wrote: > >  >>Hi I'm looking for a couple tracks that have eluded me. I posted this on KVR and someone suggested I try here: >> >>I've searched for these two tracks for the last five years with no luck. I've looked on You Tube, Grooveshark, Torrent sites, Discogs and even tried googling them. >> >>I've managed to collect many recordings I lost, but these last two elude me! Trouble is I don't know any firm details about them other than this: >> >>1. They were both played on UK's Radio One John Peel show between August 1993 and June 1994. >>2. They are both hardcore electronic/techno tunes. >>3. The first has a sample throughout "Joan... I Love You" >>4. The second has a sample something like "Voltan"/"Voltaire"/"Zoltan"/"Zoltaire" something sounding like a German word? >> >>That's really all I can remember about them! Not Much I know, but if someone has heard them it should be enough for them to recognise what I'm on about, I hope! >> >>Any info would be greatly appreciated, at least I could look it up on Discogs! >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Scott >> >> > From stuartb@... Thu Oct 3 02:36:43 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 01:36:43 +0100 Subject: [peel] June 1984 Mixtapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all these Haze. I’ve done my best to wikify all of these so far. Some of these shows now have content from the Karl tapes, the Gumtree tapes and my own mixtapes from the time, so in the absence of any more of these written tracklistings from John Peel Papers and Tishbiz then the track order is highly speculative. Just wondered, the amalgamated shows, is that how they are indicated on the tapes or are there still individual show dates there? Stuart From: haze_harrison Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:50 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] June 1984 Mixtapes June 1984 Mixtapes, no Peel links unless indicated…… 1984-06-06.mp3 The Gymslips - We're Gonna Bring Your Empire Down The Gun Club - Goodbye Johnny The Gymslips - On The Line The Gymslips - Soldier The Gymslips - Leave Me 1984-06-11.mp3 The Fall - Totally Wired Husker Du - Eight Miles High John Peel - intro Lightning Rod, Jimi Hendrix & Buddy Miles - Doriella Du Fontaine (Instrumental) Peter And The Test Tube Babies - Blown Out Again Violent Femmes - Country Death Song 1984-06-14.mp3 Shoot! Dispute - Monkey Laibach - Panorama Shoot! Dispute - Power of Persuasion 1984-06-19_to_28.mp3 Papa Levi - Bonnie And Clyde Linkmen - Jack Be Nimble Slaughter And The Dogs - Cranked Up Really High Geysers - Fulsom Prison Blues Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The Moon Is In The Gutter Julian Cope - Sunspots Neil - Hole In My Shoe TV21 - This Is Zero (Tick Away) Michael Palmer - Lick Shot From haze.harrison@... Thu Oct 3 13:56:01 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:56:01 -0000 Subject: June 1984 Mixtapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Stuart, All the tracks are individually dated on the tape inlays. I combined the consecutive shows that only had one or two tracks for convenient uploading/sharing. I should have the 14 "W" tapes finished by tomorrow at which point I'll upload a fully dated tracklist. Our Scottish friend helpfully catalogued the majority of his tapes on two spreadsheets. I'm in the process of pulling the Peel data out from these. Haze --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Brooks" wrote: > > Thanks for all these Haze. I’ve done my best to wikify all of these so far. Some of these shows now have content from the Karl tapes, the Gumtree tapes and my own mixtapes from the time, so in the absence of any more of these written tracklistings from John Peel Papers and Tishbiz then the track order is highly speculative. > Just wondered, the amalgamated shows, is that how they are indicated on the tapes or are there still individual show dates there? > > Stuart > > From: haze_harrison > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:50 AM > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] June 1984 Mixtapes > > > June 1984 Mixtapes, no Peel links unless indicated  > > 1984-06-06.mp3 > The Gymslips - We're Gonna Bring Your Empire Down > The Gun Club - Goodbye Johnny > The Gymslips - On The Line > The Gymslips - Soldier > The Gymslips - Leave Me > > 1984-06-11.mp3 > The Fall - Totally Wired > Husker Du - Eight Miles High > John Peel - intro > Lightning Rod, Jimi Hendrix & Buddy Miles - Doriella Du Fontaine (Instrumental) > Peter And The Test Tube Babies - Blown Out Again > Violent Femmes - Country Death Song > > 1984-06-14.mp3 > Shoot! Dispute - Monkey > Laibach - Panorama > Shoot! Dispute - Power of Persuasion > > 1984-06-19_to_28.mp3 > Papa Levi - Bonnie And Clyde > Linkmen - Jack Be Nimble > Slaughter And The Dogs - Cranked Up Really High > Geysers - Fulsom Prison Blues > Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The Moon Is In The Gutter > Julian Cope - Sunspots > Neil - Hole In My Shoe > TV21 - This Is Zero (Tick Away) > Michael Palmer - Lick Shot > From dr_mango2004@... Thu Oct 3 20:54:17 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:54:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: More SL: The Kershaw Tapes Message-ID: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and thus put together complete shows: 5 January 1992 Session: two live acts recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on his visit in December 1991. Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. 12 January 1992 Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning programme. 23 February 1992 Session: Johnnie Johnson. The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. 2 May 1992 Session: Remmy Ongala. A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992 as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. Dr Mango From dr_mango2004@... Thu Oct 3 20:57:02 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:57:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380826622.19014.YahooMailNeo@...> In all the excitement I forgot to mention that the downloads can be found in this folder up on the mooo server: http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/dr_mango/SL_Tapes/kershaw/ DM ________________________________ From: Dr Mango To: Peel Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. [snip] From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 10:06:59 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:06:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection ... mark ________________________________ From: Dr Mango To: Peel Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and thus put together complete shows: 5 January 1992 Session: two live acts recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on his visit in December 1991. Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. 12 January 1992 Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning programme. 23 February 1992 Session: Johnnie Johnson. The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. 2 May 1992 Session: Remmy Ongala. A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992 as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. Dr Mango From robfleay@... Fri Oct 4 10:35:55 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:35:55 +0100 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: He's pretty active on Facebook, so I'm sure someone could ask him. On 4 October 2013 09:06, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In > some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the > Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may > only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - > although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe > he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or > cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection > ... > > mark > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dr Mango > *To:* Peel > *Sent:* Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 > *Subject:* [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, > here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was > contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've > been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and > thus put together complete shows: > > 5 January 1992 > Session: two live acts recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on > his visit in December 1991. > Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. > > 12 January 1992 > Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. > The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from > tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put > all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee > Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning > programme. > > 23 February 1992 > Session: Johnnie Johnson. > The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste > it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by > Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. > > 2 May 1992 > Session: Remmy Ongala. > A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and > shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me > from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. > > All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: > http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm > > Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. > > Dr Mango > > > > > > From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 10:47:07 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:47:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380876427.17112.YahooMailNeo@...> PS Thank you to the good Dr. PPS I went to see Kanda Bongo Man a couple of weeks ago in a small town called Rye in Sussex - as part of the Rye Festival. It was great to see him again and although his band wasn't as tight as it used to be. It was quite strange - his car broke down on teh way and he was 2 hours late so we had the Rye Ukulele band as a support act. He arrived on a AA van with a citroen people carrier on the back - with 4 members of band and instruments with not a hint of rancour that's waht I call dedication. I was 50 this year but was one of the youngest in the audience, it was in a church hall, but he got almost every body dancing (not me I am of the John Peel persuasion when it comes to not shaking my body!) and it must have been like the equivalent of when he first started out in Zaire - eg playing small community venues who did not know his music but were grabbed by the infectious sounds. The only difference being taht the majority of this audience would not have been familiar with Soukous. I presume he now lives in UK. It seems that he has survived a bit better than the Bhundu boys but the days of playing stadia are behind him although he did play Womad a couple of years ago. Does anyone know what happened to Diblo? I don't think he was in the band - the guitarist wasn't of his age or skill! It is very sad that the enthusiasm with which we greeted this music in the 80s and 90s has not treated all of the stars well ... but my fedora off to Kanda and really pleased that he is still touring so people can still discover and fall in love with his music all again. Mark ________________________________ From: MARK LUETCHFORD To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:06 Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection ... mark ________________________________ From: Dr Mango To: Peel Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and thus put together complete shows: 5 January 1992 Session: two live act s recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on his visit in December 1991. Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. 12 January 1992 Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning programme. 23 February 1992 Session: Johnnie Johns on. The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. 2 May 1992 Session: Remmy Ongala. A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992 as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. Dr Mango From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 4 10:49:17 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 08:49:17 -0000 Subject: June 1984 Mixtapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, here is the track information from the "W" Gumtree tapes... Also uploaded as a spreadsheet to the files section here John Peel Tue 03-Apr-84 The Frank Chickens We Are Ninja John Peel Tue 03-Apr-84 The Frank Chickens Blue Canary John Peel Tue 03-Apr-84 Shoot! Dispute Can't Believe John Peel Tue 03-Apr-84 The Frank Chickens Dream Theatre John Peel Wed 04-Apr-84 Folk Devils Beautiful Monster John Peel Thu 05-Apr-84 Implied Consent Nobody In Particular John Peel Thu 05-Apr-84 Pressure Drop Daddy Buy Me A Rifle John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 The Cure Grinding Halt John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Craig Charles Hands Together, Eyes Closed John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Craig Charles Adolf Hitler John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Killing Joke Tension John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Indodaumahlathini Gaby Gaby John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Craig Charles What Can You Do John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 09-Apr-84 Cocteau Twins Pearly Dew Drops Drops John Peel Tue 10-Apr-84 Uncle Jamms Army Dial A Freak John Peel Wed 11-Apr-84 Penguin We Livin' In Jail John Peel Wed 11-Apr-84 Agensts Aren't Aeroplanes The Upstroke John Peel Wed 11-Apr-84 Tools You Can Trust Blowing Up A Storm John Peel Mon 16-Apr-84 Cocteau Twins Spangle Maker John Peel Mon 16-Apr-84 The Cramps She Said John Peel Tue 17-Apr-84 Stefan Vicver De Rechdiverg John Peel Wed 18-Apr-84 Cat Talk Gonna Miss Me John Peel Wed 18-Apr-84 Sebastian's Men For Ever And Ever In The Icehouse John Peel Wed 18-Apr-84 Cocteau Twins Pepper Tree John Peel Mon 23-Apr-84 Tripod Jimmy Autumn Leaves John Peel Mon 23-Apr-84 Steps Ahead Radio-Active John Peel Mon 23-Apr-84 Art Of Noise Beat Box John Peel Tue 24-Apr-84 Les Calamites Toute Les Nuits John Peel Tue 24-Apr-84 John Peel & David "Kid" Jenson outro John Peel Tue 24-Apr-84 The Cramps You Got Good Taste John Peel Tue 24-Apr-84 Billy Bragg Lovers' Town John Peel Thu 26-Apr-84 Echo And The Bunnymen Thorn Of Crowns John Peel Thu 26-Apr-84 The Frank Chickens Yellow Toast John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 The Fire Hydrants Baby, I'm A U-Boat John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 Captain Beefheart Clear Spot John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 Guana Bats The Cave John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 Folk Devils What's That Smell John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 30-Apr-84 The Subhumans Reality Is Waiting For A Bus John Peel Mon 07-May-84 The Orson Family No One Waits Forever John Peel Mon 07-May-84 The Undertones Lets Tal About Girls John Peel Mon 07-May-84 The Cramps Pussycat John Peel Mon 07-May-84 Yip Yip Coyote Pioneer Girl John Peel Mon 07-May-84 Jerry's Kids No Time John Peel Wed 09-May-84 Personal Column British Style John Peel Mon 14-May-84 Johnny Osbourne Crossbreed John Peel Mon 14-May-84 Echo And The Bunnymen Seven Seas John Peel Mon 14-May-84 Captain Beefheart Circumstances John Peel Tue 15-May-84 Party Day The Spider John Peel Tue 15-May-84 DOA A Season In Hell John Peel Tue 15-May-84 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 15-May-84 Lloyd Cole & The Commotions Perfect Skin John Peel Tue 15-May-84 DOA Burn It Down John Peel Tue 15-May-84 Unrest Work And Play Rockabilly John Peel Tue 15-May-84 Velvet Tongues Baby Blue John Peel Thu 17-May-84 Turkey Bones And The Wild Dogs Aircraft Carrier John Peel Thu 17-May-84 Half Pint Winsome John Peel Thu 17-May-84 Xmal Deutschland Tag Fur Tag John Peel Thu 17-May-84 John Peel outro John Peel Thu 17-May-84 The Great Unwashed Duane Eddy John Peel Mon 21-May-84 Jah Screechy Stop And Mix John Peel Mon 21-May-84 Sid Presley Experience Public Enemy #1 John Peel Tue 22-May-84 Guana Bats King Rat John Peel Tue 22-May-84 Cocteau Twins Millmillenary John Peel Tue 22-May-84 Self Abuse I Don't Want To Be A Soldier John Peel Wed 23-May-84 Skif Skats Long Tall Texan John Peel Wed 23-May-84 Les Calamites Le Super Marche John Peel Wed 23-May-84 Pink Industry Piano Ping John Peel Wed 23-May-84 Chaotic Dischord Anarchy In Woolworths John Peel Wed 23-May-84 Echo And The Bunnymen My Kingdom John Peel Thu 24-May-84 Joolz The Latest Craze John Peel Thu 24-May-84 None Of The Above Feel Like A Dog John Peel Thu 24-May-84 Steel Pulse Your House John Peel Mon 28-May-84 The Fall Oh Brother John Peel Mon 28-May-84 The Smiths Reel Around The Fountain John Peel Mon 28-May-84 The Smiths Handsome Devil John Peel Mon 28-May-84 The Smiths This Night Has Opened My Eyes John Peel Mon 28-May-84 Misty In Roots Jah Jah Blues Africa John Peel Mon 28-May-84 Johnny Osbourne Don't You Know I love You John Peel Tue 29-May-84 Smiley Culture Cockney Translation John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Time Signal and opening celebration of Liverpool winning European Cup in Italy John Peel Wed 30-May-84 The Mighty Wah Come Back (Story Of The Reds) John Peel Wed 30-May-84 John Peel & David "Kid" Jenson Talking about John not watching the last 20 minutes of the game because of nerves John Peel Wed 30-May-84 The Undertones Teenage Kicks John Peel Wed 30-May-84 John Peel & David "Kid" Jenson outro John Peel Wed 30-May-84 The Membranes Shine On Pumpkin Moon John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Gold Dance Choice John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Working Week Venceremos John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Sisters Of Mercy Body And Soul John Peel Wed 30-May-84 The Membranes Spike Milligan's Tape Recorder John Peel Wed 30-May-84 John Peel outro John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Freddy McLean Love Is A Treasure John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Robert Wyatt & Hugh Hopper Amber And The Amberines John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Echo And The Bunnymen The Yo Yo Man John Peel Wed 30-May-84 Captain Beefheart Low Yo Yo Stuff John Peel Mon 04-Jun-84 Don Carlos Spread Out John Peel Wed 06-Jun-84 The Gymslips We're Gonna Bring Your Empire Down John Peel Wed 06-Jun-84 The Gun Club Goodbye Johnny John Peel Wed 06-Jun-84 The Gymslips On The Line John Peel Wed 06-Jun-84 The Gymslips Soldier John Peel Wed 06-Jun-84 The Gymslips Leave Me John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 The Fall Totally Wired John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 Husker Du Eight Miles High John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 Lightning Rod, Jimi Hendrix & Buddy Miles Doriella Du Fontaine (Instrumental) John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 Peter And The Test Tube Babies Blown Out Again John Peel Mon 11-Jun-84 Violent Femmes Country Death Song John Peel Thu 14-Jun-84 Shoot! Dispute Monkey John Peel Thu 14-Jun-84 Laibach Panorama John Peel Thu 14-Jun-84 Shoot! Dispute Power of Persuasion John Peel Tue 19-Jun-84 Papa Levi Bonnie And Clyde John Peel Mon 25-Jun-84 Linkmen Jack Be Nimble John Peel Mon 25-Jun-84 Slaughter And The Dogs Cranked Up Really High John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 Geysers Fulsom Prison Blues John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds The Moon Is In The Gutter John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 Julian Cope Sunspots John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 Neil Hole In My Shoe John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 TV21 This Is Zero (Tick Away) John Peel Thu 28-Jun-84 Michael Palmer Lick Shot John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Actives Wait And See John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Laibach Sila John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Frankie Goes To Hollywood Two Tribes (1982) John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Frankie Goes To Hollywood Two Tribes (1984) John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Guana Bats Just Love Me John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 East Bay Ray Trouble In Town John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Frankie Goes To Hollywood Get It On John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 X-Men Do The Ghost John Peel Mon 02-Jul-84 Party Day The Spider John Peel Tue 03-Jul-84 Spike In Vain Dear Departed John Peel Tue 03-Jul-84 Actives Words John Peel Tue 03-Jul-84 Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds Cabin Fever John Peel Tue 03-Jul-84 The Novas The Crusher John Peel Tue 03-Jul-84 Unrest Work And Play Rockabilly John Peel Thu 05-Jul-84 Guana Bats The Overture John Peel Thu 05-Jul-84 Guana Bats No Particular Place To Go John Peel Thu 05-Jul-84 Killing Joke A New Day John Peel Thu 05-Jul-84 B.E.D. 34 John Peel Thu 05-Jul-84 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 09-Jul-84 The Meteors Surf City John Peel Wed 11-Jul-84 The Misunderstood Shake You Money Maker John Peel Wed 11-Jul-84 John Peel outro John Peel Wed 11-Jul-84 Action Pact Rockaway Beach John Peel Thu 12-Jul-84 The Men They Couldn't Hang A Boy Named Sue John Peel Sun 15-Jul-84 Sickkids She's My Witch John Peel Mon 16-Jul-84 Laibach Panorama John Peel Thu 19-Jul-84 X-Men Do The Ghost John Peel Mon 30-Jul-84 Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band Suspicion John Peel Tue 16-Oct-84 Cocteau Twins Whisht (Beatrix) John Peel Mon 05-Nov-84 The Woodentops Well Well John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 The Triffids Bright Lights Big City John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 Captain Beefheart Frying Pan John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel link John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 Captain Beefheart Here I Am I Always Am John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 The Vibes Mini Skirt Blues John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 The Triffids Monkey On My Back John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 The Brilliant Corners My Baby's In Black John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 Andy Stewart Cowboy Jock From Skye John Peel Tue 13-Nov-84 John Peel outro John Peel Wed 14-Nov-84 Microdisney 4-6-4 John Peel Wed 14-Nov-84 Trixie's Big Red Motorbike When He's By My Side John Peel Wed 14-Nov-84 The Frank Chickens Saki Ballad John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 Round The Way Wrong Boy John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 Del Fuegos Nervous And Shaky John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 The Room Jackpot Jack John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 The Meteors Eat The Baby (My Love For You Will Make You Blind) John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 The Ramones Durango 95 John Peel Mon 19-Nov-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 20-Nov-84 Shoot! Dispute Lack Lustre John Peel Tue 20-Nov-84 Shoot! Dispute Don't Colour My Mind John Peel Tue 20-Nov-84 Outer Limits Chase John Peel Tue 20-Nov-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 20-Nov-84 Maraba Caves Seeds That Never Grew John Peel Mon 26-Nov-84 Swans Clay Man John Peel Mon 26-Nov-84 The Flying Lizards Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 Little Richard Tutti Frutti John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 The Flying Lizards Tutti Frutti John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 Sudden Sway Problem Solving John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 11-Dec-84 The Dragees Shoot To Kill John Peel Tue 18-Dec-84 The Meteors I'm Just A Dog John Peel Tue 18-Dec-84 Everything But The Girl Ballad Of The Times John Peel Tue 18-Dec-84 Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds Saint Huck John Peel Tue 18-Dec-84 The Meteors Surf City John Peel Tue 25-Dec-84 Sync Beat 52nd Beat John Peel Tue 25-Dec-84 The Very Things The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Billy Bragg The Lover Sings John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 New Order Murder John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Echo And The Bunnymen Killing Moon John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Billy Bragg Which Side Are You On John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 The Smiths How Soon Is Now John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 The Triffids Field Of Glass John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Sisters Of Mercy Walk Away John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 The Fall Creep John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Cocteau Twins Ivo John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Sisters Of Mercy Emma John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 Billy Bragg Between The Wars John Peel Wed 26-Dec-84 New Order Lonesome Tonight John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 Cocteau Twins Peep Bo John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 Three Mustaphas Three Shigarely John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 Cocteau Twins Otterly John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 John Peel intro John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 Three Mustaphas Three John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 The Fall Lay Of The Land John Peel Tue 01-Jan-85 The Smiths How Soon Is Now John Peel Wed 02-Jan-85 Stark Raving Mad Choice John Peel Wed 02-Jan-85 Nitzer Ebb Isn't It Funny How Your Body Works John Peel Wed 02-Jan-85 Test Department Kick To Kill John Peel Wed 02-Jan-85 The Triffids My Baby Thinks She's A Train John Peel Tue 08-Jan- 85 Billy Bragg St Swithin's Day John Peel Mon 14-Jan-85 Big In Japan Suicide High Lie John Peel Mon 14-Jan-85 Big In Japan Goodbye John Peel Mon 14-Jan-85 Big In Japan Don't Bomb China Now John Peel Mon 14-Jan-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 28-Jan-85 Scala Timpani Winds Of Change John Peel Thu 28-Feb-85 The Ramones Danger Zone John Peel Thu 28-Feb-85 John Peel outro John Peel Thu 28-Feb-85 John Peel intro John Peel Thu 28-Feb-85 Belfegore All That I Wanted John Peel Thu 28-Feb-85 Test Department & South Wales Striking Choir Comrades John Peel Mon 11-Mar-85 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 11-Mar-85 Fastest Group Alive Beside John Peel Mon 11-Mar-85 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 11-Mar-85 The Fall Putta Block John Peel Mon 11-Mar-85 The Men They Couldn't Hang Whisky With Me Giro John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 The Frank Chickens China Night John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 John Peel and The Frank Chickens intro John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 The Frank Chickens Herera John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 John Peel outro John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 John Peel and The Frank Chickens intro John Peel Tue 12-Mar-85 Umezawa Tomio Dream Play John Peel Wed 20-Mar-85 Damage This House John Peel Wed 20-Mar-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 25-Mar-85 The Room Crying Red John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 Del Amitri Hammering Heart John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 Marc Riley & The Creepers Judas Sheep John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 John Peel outro John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 Buzzcocks Operators Manual John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 John Peel outro John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 The Frank Chickens China Night John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 John Peel intro John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 Dawn Chorus & The Blue Tits Teenage Kicks John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 Del Amitri Ceasefire John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 The Frank Chickens Saki Ballad John Peel Wed 27-Mar-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 Birthday Party Big Jesus Trash Can John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 The Oucasts I'm In Pittsburg And It's Raining John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel Failed attept at segue as he plays the Vibes at the wrong speed John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 The Vibes I'm In Pittsburg And It's Raining John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 Red Lorry Yellow Lorry Chance John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 Beasts Of Bourbon Psycho John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 Dead Can Dance Carnival Of Light John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 Tears For Fears Ideas As Opiates John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 01-Apr-85 The Mellotones I've Walked With A Bugs Bunny Bendy Toy Muriey Gray as John Peel Tue 02-Apr-85 Simple Minds Sons And Fascination Muriey Gray as John Peel Tue 02-Apr-85 Cocteau Twins Hitherto Muriey Gray as John Peel Tue 02-Apr-85 Cocteau Twins The Tinderbox (Of A Heart) Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Muriel Gray as John Peel intro Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 The Rezillos My Baby Does (Good Sculptures) Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Art Of Noise Moments In Love Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Muriel Gray as John Peel outro Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Muriel Gray as John Peel intro Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Jan And Dean Dead Man's Curve Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Birthday Party Release The Bats Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Billy Bragg It Says Here Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Echo And The Bunnymen Silver Muriey Gray as John Peel Mon 08-Apr-85 Eno & Byrne Qu'ran John Peel Mon 13-May-85 Damage Ya De Ho John Peel Mon 13-May-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 13-May-85 Nip Drivers Talk About Cars John Peel Wed 15-May-85 The Room But When Do We Start To Live John Peel Wed 15-May-85 Nip Drivers Elephant Man John Peel Wed 15-May-85 Vic Goddard & The Subway Sect Ambition John Peel Tue 02-Jul-85 Rose Of Avalanche Rise To The Groove John Peel Tue 02-Jul-85 Shoot! Dispute Onto The Wheel John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 Shoot! Dispute Gaff Gun John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 Folk Devils This Traitor Hand John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 New Christs Like A Curse John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 Folk Devils It Drags On John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 John Peel intro John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 Suicidal Tendancies Institutionalized John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 John Peel outro John Peel Mon 08-Jul-85 Folk Devils Under The Bridge John Peel Mon 22-Jul-85 Del Amitri Sticks And Stones Girls John Peel Mon 12-Aug-85 The Fall Cruisers Creek John Peel Tue 03-Sep-85 Guana Bats Nightmare Fantasy John Peel Wed 04-Sep-85 Jegsy Dodd The Day My Flat Turned Weird John Peel Wed 04-Sep-85 Jegsy Dodd Welcome To Hillview Heights John Peel Wed 04-Sep-85 Jegsy Dodd A Scouse Werewolf In London John Peel Wed 04-Sep- 85 Jegsy Dodd No Place To Run John Peel Wed 30-Oct-85 The Meteors Meat Is Meat John Peel Tue 05-Nov-85 Cabaret Voltaire Hell's Home John Peel Mon 22-Dec-86 Colourbox The Official Colourbox World Cup Theme John Peel Wed 15-Jul-87 Ivor Cutler The Clever Night Doctor John Peel Wed 15-Jul-87 Ivor Cutler The Aggressive Onion Vendor John Peel Wed 15-Jul-87 Ivor Cutler Me And My Kid Brother John Peel Sun 11-Aug-91 Go Tree Of Life John Peel Sun 11-Aug-91 John Peel outro John Peel Sat 16-Mar-96 Melt Banana Disposable Weathercock John Peel Sat 13-Apr-96 Joshua & Janette Gasoline John Peel Sun 29-Dec-96 XLNT New Lang Syne --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "haze_harrison" wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > All the tracks are individually dated on the tape inlays. I combined the consecutive shows that only had one or two tracks for convenient uploading/sharing. > > I should have the 14 "W" tapes finished by tomorrow at which point I'll upload a fully dated tracklist. > > Our Scottish friend helpfully catalogued the majority of his tapes on two spreadsheets. I'm in the process of pulling the Peel data out from these. > > Haze > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Brooks" stuartb@ wrote: > > > > Thanks for all these Haze. I’ve done my best to wikify all of these so far. Some of these shows now have content from the Karl tapes, the Gumtree tapes and my own mixtapes from the time, so in the absence of any more of these written tracklistings from John Peel Papers and Tishbiz then the track order is highly speculative. > > Just wondered, the amalgamated shows, is that how they are indicated on the tapes or are there still individual show dates there? > > > > Stuart > > > > From: haze_harrison > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:50 AM > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [peel] June 1984 Mixtapes > > > > > > June 1984 Mixtapes, no Peel links unless indicated  > > > > 1984-06-06.mp3 > > The Gymslips - We're Gonna Bring Your Empire Down > > The Gun Club - Goodbye Johnny > > The Gymslips - On The Line > > The Gymslips - Soldier > > The Gymslips - Leave Me > > > > 1984-06-11.mp3 > > The Fall - Totally Wired > > Husker Du - Eight Miles High > > John Peel - intro > > Lightning Rod, Jimi Hendrix & Buddy Miles - Doriella Du Fontaine (Instrumental) > > Peter And The Test Tube Babies - Blown Out Again > > Violent Femmes - Country Death Song > > > > 1984-06-14.mp3 > > Shoot! Dispute - Monkey > > Laibach - Panorama > > Shoot! Dispute - Power of Persuasion > > > > 1984-06-19_to_28.mp3 > > Papa Levi - Bonnie And Clyde > > Linkmen - Jack Be Nimble > > Slaughter And The Dogs - Cranked Up Really High > > Geysers - Fulsom Prison Blues > > Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - The Moon Is In The Gutter > > Julian Cope - Sunspots > > Neil - Hole In My Shoe > > TV21 - This Is Zero (Tick Away) > > Michael Palmer - Lick Shot > > > From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 11:47:29 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:47:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380876427.17112.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380876427.17112.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380880049.35577.YahooMailNeo@...> wikipedia gives no real clues  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diblo_Dibala Ours is better although obviously better at crediting the source of some of wikipedia material - http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Diblo_Dibala still  gives no clues about his current activity. maybe he's back washing dishes in Brussels? ________________________________ From: MARK LUETCHFORD To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:47 Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   PS Thank you to the good Dr. PPS I went to see Kanda Bongo Man a couple of weeks ago in a small town called Rye in Sussex - as part of the Rye Festival. It was great to see him again and although his band wasn't as tight as it used to be. It was quite strange - his car broke down on teh way and he was 2 hours late so we had the Rye Ukulele band as a support act. He arrived on a AA van with a citroen people carrier on the back - with 4 members of band and instruments with not a hint of rancour that's waht I call dedication. I was 50 this year but was one of the youngest in the audience, it was in a church hall, but he got almost every body dancing (not me I am of the John Peel persuasion when it comes to not shaking my body!) and it must have been like the equivalent of when he first started out in Zaire - eg playing small community venues who did not know his music but were grabbed by the infectious sounds. The only difference being taht the majority of this audience would not have been familiar with Soukous. I presume he now lives in UK. It seems that he has survived a bit better than the Bhundu boys but the days of playing stadia are behind him although he did play Womad a couple of years ago. Does anyone know what happened to Diblo? I don't think he was in the band - the guitarist wasn't of his age or skill! It is very sad that the enthusiasm with which we greeted this music in the 80s and 90s has not treated all of the stars well ... but my fedora off to Kanda and really pleased that he is still touring so people can still discover and fall in love with his music all again. Mark ________________________________ From: MARK LUETCHFORD To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:06 Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection ... mark ________________________________ From: Dr Mango To: Peel Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and thus put together complete shows: 5 January 1992 Session: two live act s recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on his visit in December 1991. Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. 12 January 1992 Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning programme. 23 February 1992 Session: Johnnie Johns on. The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. 2 May 1992 Session: Remmy Ongala. A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992 as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. Dr Mango From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 12:16:47 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:16:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: Charlotte Fucking Church In-Reply-To: References: <1380137138.45005.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380881807.39732.YahooMailNeo@...>  Johnny come lately here - you know I'd be quite interested to hear what she has to say about women in music business and the culture of celebrity but the link with Peel is so tenuous that I don't think its worth calling it after him- maybe if it had been Sheena Easton, or Clare Grogan. Or maybe a better choice would have been Viv Albertine, Siouxie ...  However I never really remember John Peel pronouncing on feminism/gender politics/women in music business. He obviously had a soft spot for women led bands and seemed to attach his flag to particular ones throughout his career - Siouxie, Slits, Dolly Mixture, Altered Images, Girls at our Best, Helen Love spring to the top of my mind.  I think his role in the sixties cultural revolution was more on the cultural/recreational drugs/sexual side! As has been said before we are predominantly (exclusively?)  a male group. That may be very relevant to this! Mark ________________________________ From: "so_it_goes_2512@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 23:18 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: Charlotte Fucking Church   Started his broadcasting career at Radio London....cheerfully ignoring his years in the States. Mind you, the Net is littered with erroneous crap about John. Alexander Laurence's interview with the Delgados that I used for their page on the Wiki contains a couple of howlers that I can't believe nobody spotted, to wit: The Delgado's first album Domestiques (1996) immediately caught the attention of the late John Peel. (He was playing them more than a year before that.) They even played a show at John Peel's house for his 5 0th birthday party. (Sheila's, actually. John was already 59 at the time.) Anybody else seen comparable nonsense to share with us? Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Actually, having read the article properly now , the most amusing bit is right down at the bottom:  "John Peel started his broadcasting career at pirate station Radio London before joining BBC Radio 1 for its 1967 launch. He was famous for championing new talent on his late-night music programme, including Pink Floyd and White Stripes."     Pink  Floyd & White Stripes?? Who the hell do they get to write this stuff?? An unpaid intern, presumably.     From: "so_it_goes_2512@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 20:03 Subject: [peel] RE: Charlotte Fucking Church   Sorry, what isn't? Sounds to me like a physical impossibility, as John would have said...... Steve (TK)  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Tell me it isn't so. From robfleay@... Fri Oct 4 12:26:38 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:26:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: <1380880049.35577.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380876427.17112.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380880049.35577.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Still playing it seems - at least a couple of videos on Youtube of him at overseas festivals this summer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzhMAqNKKk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qyM9FlHVY On 4 October 2013 10:47, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > wikipedia gives no real clues > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diblo_Dibala > > Ours is better although obviously better at crediting the source of some > of wikipedia material - > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Diblo_Dibala > > still gives no clues about his current activity. maybe he's back washing > dishes in Brussels? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MARK LUETCHFORD > *To:* "peel@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:47 > > *Subject:* Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > PS Thank you to the good Dr. > > PPS I went to see Kanda Bongo Man a couple of weeks ago in a small town > called Rye in Sussex - as part of the Rye Festival. It was great to see him > again and although his band wasn't as tight as it used to be. It was quite > strange - his car broke down on teh way and he was 2 hours late so we had > the Rye Ukulele band as a support act. He arrived on a AA van with a > citroen people carrier on the back - with 4 members of band and instruments > with not a hint of rancour that's waht I call dedication. I was 50 this > year but was one of the youngest in the audience, it was in a church hall, > but he got almost every body dancing (not me I am of the John Peel > persuasion when it comes to not shaking my body!) and it must have been > like the equivalent of when he first started out in Zaire - eg playing > small community venues who did not know his music but were grabbed by the > infectious sounds. The only difference being taht the majority of this > audience would not have been familiar with Soukous. I presume he now lives > in UK. It seems that he has survived a bit better than the Bhundu boys but > the days of playing stadia are behind him although he did play Womad a > couple of years ago. Does anyone know what happened to Diblo? I don't think > he was in the band - the guitarist wasn't of his age or skill! It is very > sad that the enthusiasm with which we greeted this music in the 80s and 90s > has not treated all of the stars well ... but my fedora off to Kanda and > really pleased that he is still touring so people can still discover and > fall in love with his music all again. > > Mark > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MARK LUETCHFORD > *To:* "peel@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:06 > *Subject:* Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In > some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the > Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may > only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - > although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe > he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or > cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection > ... > > mark > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dr Mango > *To:* Peel > *Sent:* Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 > *Subject:* [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, > here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was > contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've > been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and > thus put together complete shows: > > 5 January 1992 > Session: two live act s recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on > his visit in December 1991. > Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. > > 12 January 1992 > Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. > The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from > tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put > all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee > Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning > programme. > > 23 February 1992 > Session: Johnnie Johns on. > The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste > it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by > Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. > > 2 May 1992 > Session: Remmy Ongala. > A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and > shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me > from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. > > All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: > http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm > > Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. > > Dr Mango > > > > > > > > > > From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 13:25:38 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:25:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes In-Reply-To: References: <1380826457.46447.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380874019.9497.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380876427.17112.YahooMailNeo@...> <1380880049.35577.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1380885938.74155.YahooMailNeo@...> Thanks - good to see that he still plucks like a demon and that Colombia  and Spain still  pay the dues that are due. Interestingly maybe because of  the Rumba/Cuban/Spanish connection with the roots of  Soukous ? Its gone round full circle - eg slaves from Congo being transported to Cuba keeping African drumming rhythms alive and becoming Rumba when mixed with Spanish guitar rhythms and then going back to Zaire in the 50s and becoming Soukous and now back to Spain and Colombia ...  Might have got that amateur musicology wrong ... where is Kershaw when you need him? ________________________________ From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 11:26 Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes   Still playing it seems - at least a couple of videos on Youtube of him at overseas festivals this summer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzhMAqNKKk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qyM9FlHVY On 4 October 2013 10:47, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >wikipedia gives no real clues  > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diblo_Dibala > > > >Ours is better although obviously better at crediting the source of some of wikipedia material - > > >http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Diblo_Dibala > > > >still  gives no clues about his current activity. maybe he's back washing dishes in Brussels? > > > >________________________________ > From: MARK LUETCHFORD >To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:47 > >Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > >  >PS Thank you to the good Dr. > > >PPS I went to see Kanda Bongo Man a couple of weeks ago in a small town called Rye in Sussex - as part of the Rye Festival. It was great to see him again and although his band wasn't as tight as it used to be. It was quite strange - his car broke down on teh way and he was 2 hours late so we had the Rye Ukulele band as a support act. He arrived on a AA van with a citroen people carrier on the back - with 4 members of band and instruments with not a hint of rancour that's waht I call dedication. I was 50 this year but was one of the youngest in the audience, it was in a church hall, but he got almost every body dancing (not me I am of the John Peel persuasion when it comes to not shaking my body!) and it must have been like the equivalent of when he first started out in Zaire - eg playing small community venues who did not know his music but were grabbed by the infectious sounds. The only difference being taht the majority of this audience would not have been familiar with Soukous. I presume he now lives in UK. It seems that he has survived a bit better than the Bhundu boys but the days of playing stadia are behind him although he did play Womad a couple of years ago. Does anyone know what happened to Diblo? I don't think he was in the band - the guitarist wasn't of his age or skill! It is very sad that the enthusiasm with which we greeted this music in the 80s and 90s has not treated all of the stars well ... but my fedora off to Kanda and really pleased that he is still touring so people can still discover and fall in love with his music all again. > > >Mark > > > >________________________________ > From: MARK LUETCHFORD >To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013, 9:06 >Subject: Re: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > >  >Looks like we may be getting whole Kershaw shows from the SL tapes. In some senses this is more valuable (heresy - wash my mouth out!) than the Peel shows as the records he played were often even more obscure and may only exist in folk/world museum collections and those of people like Andy - although did he not have to sell it when he was down on his luck so maybe he doesn't even have them anymore? Wonder if he knows this is happening (or cares?!) and may want to have a digital version of some of his collection ... > > >mark > > > >________________________________ > From: Dr Mango >To: Peel >Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013, 19:54 >Subject: [peel] More SL: The Kershaw Tapes > > > >  >Rounding off my rips from the last batch of SL tapes that I processed, here's the Andy Kershaw bits that were part of them. One complete show was contained on the tapes in that batch, but as a treat for Kershaw fans I've been able to get my hands on the relevant rips made by other people and thus put together complete shows: > > >5 January 1992 >Session: two live act s recorded live in Equitorial Guinea by Kershaw on his visit in December 1991. >Complete show found on tapes L202 and L203 that were ripped by me. > > > >12 January 1992 >Session: Chris Wood and Andy Cutting. >The start and end of the show were previously ripped and shared by ML from tape L067. The mid section turned up on tape L214 which I ripped, so I put all the sections together. The show contains more details of how Dave Lee Travis bizarrely came to play a soukous track on his Sunday morning programme. > > > >23 February 1992 >Session: Johnnie Johns on. >The mid section of the show turned up on tape L198 so I was able to paste it in between the start and end of the show previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L159. > > > >2 May 1992 > >Session: Remmy Ongala. >A section from the second hour of the show had been previously ripped and shared by Stuart from tape L147. The remaining segments were ripped by me from L204 and L212 and assembed into a whole. > > >All track listings can be found on my personal webspace: http://drmango.net/kershaw.htm > > > >Coming next should be the complete Kershaw show from 21 November 1992 as I have all the sections of that waiting for assembly too. > > > >Dr Mango > > > > > > > > > > From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 14:32:14 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 13:32:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: Karl Tape march 1985 Message-ID: <1380889934.28540.YahooMailNeo@...> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_-_March_1985#Tracklisting Got as far as I can ... and need help with just three things on this and  they are pretty simple I think! All on Side B First is a cocteau twins track - I loved them dearly and largely because of the soundscape they made but lyrics were always a mystery to me . Never really managed to hook on to their individual songs(apart from Pearly Dew Drops) but someone who knows their work well will recognise this.  There is also a sophisticated boom boom track on here. Sadly they only released one thing on vinyl but did a couple of Peel sessions earlier in teh 80s. Can't find the track they released on this in 84: http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Girls-Cant-Help-It-A-Modern-Girl-Group-Compilation/release/2081275 called the only one. If its not that I'm sure someone out there has session tracks (maybe someone did a repeat of the session which would be odd or possibly Karl has mislabelled his tape) as someone has done a page on the wiki. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Sophisticated_Boom_Boom I would like the sessions if people do have them  as they sound my kind of thing. Strangely enough there is another Swiss band of teh same name from 1982 but think this track is by teh Glasgow band. http://www.discogs.com/Sophisticated-Boom-Boom-Sophisticated-Boom-Boom/release/2159566 The third thing is a couple of JAMC tracks - they are both on psychocandy and also session #1 BUT it was session #2 that was broadcast in March 1985. I have been a bit lazy and not dug out my copy of psychocandy to play - largely as my record player is in a different place to my pc... the date of the tape may be wrong or he/the Kid may have played two tracks from album. If someone has the first session digitally (or indeed psychocandy) they may be able to tell the diff. As to which bits of this are Peel tracks and which are the Kid I am going to hazard a guess! There is a wild card here as Janice Long appears in a snippet of sound and the New model Army Tracks are from a session for her. the del Amitri session here is from 27 march 1985 (if karl labelled his tape correctly as it wasn't rebroadcast til April) so I guess that that Peel runs from new model army album track to the end! I know he played Simple Minds American as I have a mix tape with him playing it in 1981 and I reckon he used the excuse of Breakfast Club soundtrack coming out to give it another spin - he often put his track listings together in taht sort of way. So there may be no Kid J on this. However this is all conjecture and his transatlantic cousin could have don the same as perhaps Simpleminds 1985 and Bronski Beat were a bit more KidJ  Anyway i am sure Stuart will sort this out and I hav espent too long thinking about it!!! From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 4 16:40:40 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:40:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Karl's Tapes wikified In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1380897640.63349.YahooMailNeo@...> identified the missing soft soul track on June 1984  ________________________________ From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 1:13 Subject: [peel] More Karl's Tapes wikified   Karl's Tape - November 1983 mostly contained Kid Jensen's evening session before concluding with a selection from John's 29th November 1983 show which John Leonard's Dad recently shared in its entirety. Karl's Tape June 1984 kicked off with almost an hour's edited highlights of the Peel Show of 11th June 1984, of which I had previously shared 4 tracks. Much of side b was from Kid's show but the latter stages are definitly more Peely though with no session tracks the date can't be identified. Karl's Tape July 1984 This starts off with a whole bunch of soul tracks perhaps from Tony Blackburn followed by some new content from 9th and 10th July 1984, both dates new to the catalogue. A fantastic complete Shoot! Dispute session on the first date, with most of the Meteors session also in there, and a most amusing Eek-A-Mouse partial session from the following night. Thanks to Karl and Andrew and any help with the unidentified tracks from the inlay would be great! Enjoy Stuart From colinbray@... Fri Oct 4 17:29:45 2013 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:29:45 +0000 Subject: 500 Box Revisited In-Reply-To: <1380889934.28540.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380889934.28540.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Just walking back from sharing coffees with Steve So It Goes. It was a pleasure to finally meet you, Steve, after all these years of correspondence. After a long period of 500 Box silence, meeting Steve has reignited my ambition to get the Box fully shared. So look out for more shows soon. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: M.Luetchford@... Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 13:32:14 +0100 Subject: [peel] Karl Tape march 1985 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_-_March_1985#Tracklisting Got as far as I can ... and need help with just three things on this and they are pretty simple I think! All on Side B First is a cocteau twins track - I loved them dearly and largely because of the soundscape they made but lyrics were always a mystery to me . Never really managed to hook on to their individual songs(apart from Pearly Dew Drops) but someone who knows their work well will recognise this. There is also a sophisticated boom boom track on here. Sadly they only released one thing on vinyl but did a couple of Peel sessions earlier in teh 80s. Can't find the track they released on this in 84: http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Girls-Cant-Help-It-A-Modern-Girl-Group-Compilation/release/2081275 called the only one. If its not that I'm sure someone out there has session tracks (maybe someone did a repeat of the session which would be odd or possibly Karl has mislabelled his tape) as someone has done a page on the wiki. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Sophisticated_Boom_Boom I would like the sessions if people do have them as they sound my kind of thing. Strangely enough there is another Swiss band of teh same name from 1982 but think this track is by teh Glasgow band.http://www.discogs.com/Sophisticated-Boom-Boom-Sophisticated-Boom-Boom/release/2159566 The third thing is a couple of JAMC tracks - they are both on psychocandy and also session #1 BUT it was session #2 that was broadcast in March 1985. I have been a bit lazy and not dug out my copy of psychocandy to play - largely as my record player is in a different place to my pc... the date of the tape may be wrong or he/the Kid may have played two tracks from album. If someone has the first session digitally (or indeed psychocandy) they may be able to tell the diff. As to which bits of this are Peel tracks and which are the Kid I am going to hazard a guess! There is a wild card here as Janice Long appears in a snippet of sound and the New model Army Tracks are from a session for her. the del Amitri session here is from 27 march 1985 (if karl labelled his tape correctly as it wasn't rebroadcast til April) so I guess that that Peel runs from new model army album track to the end! I know he played Simple Minds American as I have a mix tape with him playing it in 1981 and I reckon he used the excuse of Breakfast Club soundtrack coming out to give it another spin - he often put his track listings together in taht sort of way. So there may be no Kid J on this. However this is all conjecture and his transatlantic cousin could have don the same as perhaps Simpleminds 1985 and Bronski Beat were a bit more KidJ Anyway i am sure Stuart will sort this out and I hav espent too long thinking about it!!! From stuartb@... Fri Oct 4 19:01:24 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 18:01:24 +0100 Subject: [peel] More Karl's Tapes wikified In-Reply-To: <1380897640.63349.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1380897640.63349.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <9427BAD477FF4719BC63726C36F00618@StuartWin7PC> Yeah I wasn’t spending much time on the soul segments! From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:40 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl's Tapes wikified identified the missing soft soul track on June 1984 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 1:13 Subject: [peel] More Karl's Tapes wikified Karl's Tape - November 1983 mostly contained Kid Jensen's evening session before concluding with a selection from John's 29th November 1983 show which John Leonard's Dad recently shared in its entirety. Karl's Tape June 1984 kicked off with almost an hour's edited highlights of the Peel Show of 11th June 1984, of which I had previously shared 4 tracks. Much of side b was from Kid's show but the latter stages are definitly more Peely though with no session tracks the date can't be identified. Karl's Tape July 1984 This starts off with a whole bunch of soul tracks perhaps from Tony Blackburn followed by some new content from 9th and 10th July 1984, both dates new to the catalogue. A fantastic complete Shoot! Dispute session on the first date, with most of the Meteors session also in there, and a most amusing Eek-A-Mouse partial session from the following night. Thanks to Karl and Andrew and any help with the unidentified tracks from the inlay would be great! Enjoy Stuart From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 4 21:00:31 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:00:31 -0000 Subject: Gumtree mixtapes - 1984 July Message-ID: Gumtree mixtapes - 1984 July No Peel links unless indicated.... 1984-07-02.mp3 1984-07-02 - 01 - Actives - Wait And See 1984-07-02 - 02 - Laibach - Sila 1984-07-02 - 03 - Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes (1982) 1984-07-02 - 04 - Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes (1984) 1984-07-02 - 05 - Guana Bats - Just Love Me 1984-07-02 - 06 - East Bay Ray - Trouble In Town 1984-07-02 - 07 - Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Get It On 1984-07-02 - 08 - X-Men - Do The Ghost 1984-07-02 - 09 - Party Day - The Spider 1984-07-03.mp3 1984-07-03 - 01 - Spike In Vain - Dear Departed 1984-07-03 - 02 - Actives - Words 1984-07-03 - 03 - Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Cabin Fever 1984-07-03 - 04 - The Novas - The Crusher 1984-07-03 - 05 - Unrest Work And Play - Rockabilly 1984-07-05.mp3 1984-07-05 - 01 - Guana Bats - The Overture 1984-07-05 - 02 - Guana Bats - No Particular Place To Go 1984-07-05 - 03 - Killing Joke - A New Day 1984-07-05 - 04 - - - B.E.D. 34 1984-07-05 - 05 - John Peel - outro 1984-07-09 to 30.mp3 1984-07-09 - 01 - The Meteors - Surf City 1984-07-11 - 01 - The Misunderstood - Shake You Money Maker 1984-07-11 - 02 - John Peel - outro 1984-07-11 - 03 - Action Pact - Rockaway Beach 1984-07-12 - 01 - The Men They Couldn't Hang - A Boy Named Sue 1984-07-12 - 01 - Sickkids - She's My Witch 1984-07-16 - 01 - Laibach - Panorama 1984-07-19 - 01 - X-Men - Do The Ghost 1984-07-30 - 01 - Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Suspicion From stuartb@... Fri Oct 4 21:29:10 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:29:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: June 1984 Mixtapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2067B25D87C54345B91800CC8D8FB210@StuartWin7PC> Cheers Haze makes the wikifying a lot easier! First and only possible dating error is the Papa Levi track which is the session version so I’ve attributed that one to 18th June 1984 instead of the 19th. What does the W signify? Stuart From: haze_harrison Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: June 1984 Mixtapes OK, here is the track information from the "W" Gumtree tapes... From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 4 21:31:28 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:31:28 -0000 Subject: Gumtree mixtapes - 1984 October and November Message-ID: No Peel links unless indicated..... 1984-10-16 to 11-14.mp3 Tue 16-Oct-84 - Cocteau Twins - Whisht (Beatrix) Mon 05-Nov-84 - The Woodentops - Well Well Tue 13-Nov-84 - The Triffids - Bright Lights Big City Tue 13-Nov-84 - Captain Beefheart - Frying Pan Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - link Tue 13-Nov-84 - Captain Beefheart - Here I Am I Always Am Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - outro Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - intro Tue 13-Nov-84 - The Vibes - Mini Skirt Blues Tue 13-Nov-84 - The Triffids - Monkey On My Back Tue 13-Nov-84 - The Brilliant Corners - My Baby's In Black Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - outro Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - intro Tue 13-Nov-84 - Andy Stewart - Cowboy Jock From Skye Tue 13-Nov-84 - John Peel - outro Wed 14-Nov-84 - Microdisney - 4-6-4 Wed 14-Nov-84 - Trixie's Big Red Motorbike - When He's By My Side Wed 14-Nov-84 - The Frank Chickens - Saki Ballad 1984-11-19.mp3 Mon 19-Nov-84 - John Peel - intro Mon 19-Nov-84 - Round The Way Wrong - Boy Mon 19-Nov-84 - Del Fuegos - Nervous And Shaky Mon 19-Nov-84 - The Room - Jackpot Jack Mon 19-Nov-84 - The Meteors - Eat The Baby (My Love For You Will Make You Blind) Mon 19-Nov-84 - The Ramones - Durango 95 Mon 19-Nov-84 - John Peel - outro 1984-11-20.mp3 Tue 20-Nov-84 - Shoot! Dispute - Lack Lustre Tue 20-Nov-84 - Shoot! Dispute - Don't Colour My Mind Tue 20-Nov-84 - Outer Limits - Chase Tue 20-Nov-84 - John Peel - outro Tue 20-Nov-84 - Maraba Caves - Seeds That Never Grew 1984-11-26.mp3 Mon 26-Nov-84 - Swans - Clay Man Mon 26-Nov-84 - The Flying Lizards - Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 4 22:41:42 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 20:41:42 -0000 Subject: June 1984 Mixtapes In-Reply-To: <2067B25D87C54345B91800CC8D8FB210@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Hi Stuart, I have no idea what the W stands for. There were Green tapes, Red tapes, J for Jazz tapes, C for Classical tapes, the W tapes and about 20 tapes with 5 digit codes that make no obvious sense. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Brooks" wrote: > > Cheers Haze makes the wikifying a lot easier! > > First and only possible dating error is the Papa Levi track which is the session version so I’ve attributed that one to 18th June 1984 instead of the 19th. > > What does the W signify? > > Stuart > > From: haze_harrison > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:49 AM > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: June 1984 Mixtapes > > > > OK, here is the track information from the "W" Gumtree tapes... > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Oct 5 03:18:14 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 04 Oct 2013 18:18:14 -0700 Subject: No longer pending Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartb@... Sat Oct 5 19:36:02 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:36:02 +0100 Subject: [peel] No longer pending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cheers Steve (and from original enquirer I’m sure) Isector and Colin 500 are different people, aren’t they...?? Thanks in advance to both..... Stuart From: so_it_goes_2512@... Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:18 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] No longer pending Hi gang After an epochal afternoon with number one fella Sir Colin, the missing files from 1997: 02 April 1997 (Liberator DJs and the London Acid Techno Mafia) 09 April 1997 (Olivia Tremor Control) 15 April 1997 (Number One Cup) Many thanks to Isector and looking forward to more from him and the 500 Box! Best wishes Steve (TK) From colinbray@... Sat Oct 5 23:19:04 2013 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 21:19:04 +0000 Subject: [peel] No longer pending In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Stuart, I can confirm that Isector is a resolutely different person to me, at least the last time I looked. Cheers, Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:36:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [peel] No longer pending Cheers Steve (and from original enquirer I’m sure) Isector and Colin 500 are different people, aren’t they...?? Thanks in advance to both..... Stuart From: so_it_goes_2512@... Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:18 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] No longer pending Hi gang After an epochal afternoon with number one fella Sir Colin, the missing files from 1997: 02 April 1997 (Liberator DJs and the London Acid Techno Mafia) 09 April 1997 (Olivia Tremor Control) 15 April 1997 (Number One Cup) Many thanks to Isector and looking forward to more from him and the 500 Box! Best wishes Steve (TK) From wallofsound65@... Sun Oct 6 08:45:57 2013 From: wallofsound65@... (wallofsound65@...) Date: 05 Oct 2013 23:45:57 -0700 Subject: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 6 11:42:26 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:42:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello and welcome, According to Garner, their 3rd session was recorded 23/10/88, broadcast 1/11/88, repeated 13/12/88. Apparently neither of these shows is available, but there is tracklisting of 1/11/88 here: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/01_November_1988 This also states that 3 of the tracks are on an official release. Having said all that, I'm sure there is one member on here who will have the whole session. Cheers Alan On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:45 AM, wrote: > ** > > > Hi everyone. Newbie here. As I can't seem to find what I'm looking for > anywhere I was hoping I could find it here. Looking for McCarthy's 4-Track > October 1988 Session. I'd be grateful if anyone can share it! Thanks! > > From davidquantick@... Sun Oct 6 11:53:16 2013 From: davidquantick@... (David Quantick) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:53:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> I thought this might be of interest... Virgin were very Peel until about 1981... the CDs are excellent, too. http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=bkpc2jspa82is#mail From davidquantick@... Sun Oct 6 11:56:40 2013 From: davidquantick@... (David Quantick) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:56:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> Er... http://www.virgin40.com/ From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 6 12:03:07 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:03:07 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: That link takes me to yahoo mail which says "there are no emails in your inbox" On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:53 AM, David Quantick wrote: > ** > > > I thought this might be of interest... Virgin were very Peel until about > 1981... the CDs are excellent, too. > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=bkpc2jspa82is#mail > > > From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 6 12:08:19 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:08:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: That's better. Wasn't Peel largely responsible (or 'to blame'?) for the early success of Virgin? Alan On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Quantick wrote: > ** > > > Er... > > * > * > *http://www.virgin40.com/* > > > From davidquantick@... Sun Oct 6 14:19:54 2013 From: davidquantick@... (David Quantick) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:19:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381061994.651.YahooMailNeo@...> Pretty much. But imagine, without Oldfield, they could just have been a slightly more popular Dandelion... ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 11:08 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2   That's better. Wasn't Peel largely responsible (or 'to blame'?) for the early success of Virgin? Alan On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Quantick wrote: >  >Er... > > > > >http://www.virgin40.com/ From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 6 16:48:28 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:48:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1381061994.651.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381061994.651.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381070908.98439.YahooMailNeo@...> there was a recent profile around the time of the recent anniversary of tubular bells release when Branson said as  much about Peel being responsible fro the success of tubular bells and thus his whole success - if only he had known the consequences  I am sure he would have snapped the record in two  ... rather than playing it all the way through - although didn't we in fact get to the end of that mystery recently:  http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/29_May_1973 ________________________________ From: David Quantick To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 13:19 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2   Pretty much. But imagine, without Oldfield, they could just have been a slightly more popular Dandelion... ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 11:08 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2   That's better. Wasn't Peel largely responsible (or 'to blame'?) for the early success of Virgin? Alan On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Quantick wrote: >  >Er... > > > > >http://www.virgin40.com/ From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 6 16:52:01 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 15:52:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381071121.82335.YahooMailNeo@...> You've come to the right place - we can usually fulfil the needs of such as you- in recompense have you (or anybody you could ask) any tapes of Peel that you could share? Mark ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 10:42 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2   Hello and welcome, According to Garner, their 3rd session was recorded 23/10/88, broadcast 1/11/88, repeated 13/12/88. Apparently neither of these shows is available, but there is tracklisting of 1/11/88 here: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/01_November_1988 This also states that 3 of the tracks are on an official release. Having said all that, I'm sure there is one member on here who will have the whole session. Cheers Alan   On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:45 AM, wrote: >  >Hi everyone. Newbie here. As I can't seem to find what I'm looking for anywhere I was hoping I could find it here. Looking for McCarthy's 4-Track October 1988 Session. I'd be grateful if anyone can share it! Thanks! From zomgqashiyo@... Sun Oct 6 20:41:02 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 06 Oct 2013 11:41:02 -0700 Subject: The Official Chart Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wallofsound65@... Mon Oct 7 01:59:12 2013 From: wallofsound65@... (Jay Jay Lozano) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 07:59:12 +0800 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D3EFFA7-E597-4E5B-9FE8-6B3EB76DA0B7@...> Thanks for the warm welcome and information, Alan. They used to be in cassette form which were sold in Camden as bootlegs I think. I'm hoping there's someone here who has it. Though the 3 first tracks of the session are part of "That's all Very Well, but..", the fourth track is the one I'm looking for. Thanks anyway! Jay jay > On Oct 6, 2013, at 17:42, Alan Ford wrote: > > Hello and welcome, > According to Garner, their 3rd session was recorded 23/10/88, broadcast 1/11/88, repeated 13/12/88. > Apparently neither of these shows is available, but there is tracklisting of 1/11/88 here: > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/01_November_1988 > This also states that 3 of the tracks are on an official release. > Having said all that, I'm sure there is one member on here who will have the whole session. > Cheers > Alan > > > >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:45 AM, wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. Newbie here. As I can't seem to find what I'm looking for anywhere I was hoping I could find it here. Looking for McCarthy's 4-Track October 1988 Session. I'd be grateful if anyone can share it! Thanks! >> > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Oct 8 00:16:32 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 07 Oct 2013 15:16:32 -0700 Subject: Harvest Festival Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartb@... Tue Oct 8 01:58:13 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 00:58:13 +0100 Subject: [peel] Harvest Festival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <672CDFFD1E934792A317FBB10D5B5C89@StuartWin7PC> Great to see both streams of goodies turned back on! I know it can seem daunting having a large collection to get through and sometimes you just need another spark of motivation to get cracking on again! I must apologise for the slight hiatus in the further sharing of the Rich Tapes but family matters have caused my absence from my ripping station 150 miles away to be longer than expected. So I’ve had to content myself with further wikifikation of the Gumtree and Karl collections. Liking the Shoot! Dispute session that is present in both, obviously more so than at the time, as I didn’t tape them myself despite taping other tracks from these shows. Normal Rich service should be resumed from later in the month. Stuart From: so_it_goes_2512@... Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 11:16 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Harvest Festival Hi folks Two of the leading lights of the group, Colin and Isector, are responsible for the items in the picnic hamper today! 22 April 1995 (Flying Saucer Attack, Movietone) The 500 Box returns with around half (but not in contiguous sections) of the show: some treble dropout from halfway through, but new to the catalogue and chock full of enjoyable interviews. 26 March 1997 (Loop Guru) 13 May 1997 (Hooton 3 Car) 15 May 1997 (Make Up) 20 May 1997 (Kidnapper) 21 May 1997 (Servotron) Isector firing on all cylinders again! Many thanks to both our contributors. Best wishes Steve (TK) From haze.harrison@... Tue Oct 8 16:08:06 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:08:06 -0000 Subject: Gumtree Mixtapes - December 1984 Message-ID: I haven't uploaded 16th Dec. as it is only two readily available tracks with no Peel links. Here are the other four from December 1984, no Peel links unless indicated... 1984-12-11.mp3 John Peel - intro Little Richard - Tutti Frutti The Flying Lizards - Tutti Frutti John Peel - outro John Peel - intro Sudden Sway - Problem Solving John Peel - outro The Dragees - Shoot To Kill 1984-12-18.mp3 The Meteors - I'm Just A Dog Everything But The Girl - Ballad Of The Times Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds - Saint Huck The Meteors - Surf City 1984-12-25.mp3 Sync Beat - 52nd Beat The Very Things - The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes 1984-12-26.mp3 Billy Bragg - The Lover Sings New Order - Murder Echo And The Bunnymen - Killing Moon Billy Bragg - Which Side Are You On The Smiths - How Soon Is Now The Triffids - Field Of Glass Sisters Of Mercy - Walk Away The Fall - Creep Cocteau Twins - Ivo Sisters Of Mercy - Emma Billy Bragg - Between The Wars New Order - Lonesome Tonight From haze.harrison@... Tue Oct 8 16:55:43 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:55:43 -0000 Subject: Gumtree Mixtapes - 1985 Jan & Feb Message-ID: Next batch, no Peel links unless indicated... 1985-01-01.mp3 Cocteau Twins - Peep Bo John Peel - intro Three Mustaphas Three - Shigarely Cocteau Twins - Otterly John Peel - intro Three Mustaphas Three The Fall - Lay Of The Land The Smiths - How Soon Is Now 1985-01-02.mp3 Stark Raving Mad - Choice Nitzer Ebb - Isn't It Funny How Your Body Works Test Department - Kick To Kill The Triffids - My Baby Thinks She's A Train 1985-01-14.mp3 Big In Japan - Suicide High Lie Big In Japan - Goodbye Big In Japan - Don't Bomb China Now John Peel - outro 1985-02-28.mp3 The Ramones - Danger Zone John Peel - outro John Peel - intro Belfegore - All That I Wanted Test Department & South Wales Striking Choir - Comrades 1985 Early.mp3 1985-01-08 - 01 - Billy Bragg - St Swithin's Day 1985-01-28 - 01 - Scala Timpani - Winds Of Change 1985-03-20 - 01 - Damage - This House 1985-03-20 - 02 - John Peel - outro 1985-03-25 - 01 - The Room - Crying Red From haze.harrison@... Tue Oct 8 17:18:34 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:18:34 -0000 Subject: Gumtree Mixtapes - 1985 March & April Message-ID: March & April 1985, no Peel links unless indicated 1985-03-11.mp3 John Peel - intro Fastest Group Alive - Beside John Peel - intro The Fall - Putta Block The Men They Couldn't Hang - Whisky With Me Giro 1985-03-12.mp3 The Frank Chickens - China Night John Peel and The Frank Chickens - intro The Frank Chickens - Herera John Peel - outro John Peel and The Frank Chickens - intro Umezawa Tomio - Dream Play 1985-03-27.mp3 Del Amitri - Hammering Heart Marc Riley & The Creepers - Judas Sheep John Peel - outro Buzzcocks - Operators Manual John Peel - outro The Frank Chickens - China Night John Peel - intro Dawn Chorus & The Blue Tits - Teenage Kicks Del Amitri - Ceasefire The Frank Chickens - Saki Ballad John Peel - outro 1985-04-01.mp3 Birthday Party - Big Jesus Trash Can John Peel - outro The Outcasts - I'm In Pittsburgh And It's Raining John Peel - Failed attempt at segue as he plays the Vibes at the wrong speed The Vibes - I'm In Pittsburgh And It's Raining John Peel - outro John Peel - intro Red Lorry Yellow Lorry - Chance Beasts Of Bourbon - Psycho Dead Can Dance - Carnival Of Light John Peel - outro Tears For Fears - Ideas As Opiates John Peel - outro John Peel - intro The Mellotones - I've Walked With A Bugs Bunny Bendy Toy Muriel Gray sits in for John.... 1985-04-02 & 08 (Muriel Gray).mp3 1985-04-02 - 01 - Simple Minds - Sons And Fascination 1985-04-02 - 02 - Cocteau Twins - Hitherto 1985-04-02 - 03 - Cocteau Twins - The Tinderbox (Of A Heart) 1985-04-08 - 01 - Muriel Gray as John Peel - intro 1985-04-08 - 02 - The Rezillos - My Baby Does (Good Sculptures) 1985-04-08 - 03 - Art Of Noise - Moments In Love 1985-04-08 - 04 - Muriel Gray as John Peel - outro 1985-04-08 - 05 - Muriel Gray as John Peel - intro 1985-04-08 - 06 - Jan And Dean - Dead Man's Curve 1985-04-08 - 07 - Birthday Party - Release The Bats 1985-04-08 - 08 - Billy Bragg - It Says Here 1985-04-08 - 09 - Echo And The Bunnymen - Silver 1985-04-08 - 10 - Eno & Byrne - Qu'ran From markc63@... Tue Oct 8 20:24:22 2013 From: markc63@... (mr_maudlin) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 18:24:22 -0000 Subject: Peel compilation tape Apr/May84 Message-ID: My 2nd attempt at posting a message about a new compilation tape uploaded to the mooo http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/mr_maudlin/C25%20The%20Peel%20Tapes%20Vol.1.mp3 No Peel links unfortunately but session tracks from del Amitri, And Also The Trees and Pink Industry. Wiki page: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/The_Peel_Tapes_Vol.1 Mark C From haze.harrison@... Tue Oct 8 23:01:14 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:01:14 -0000 Subject: Gumtree Tapes - Out On Blue Six Message-ID: First batch of Mark Radcliffe "Out On Blue Six" from the Gumtree tapes. OOBS_1991-11-11_Pt2.mp3 was posted a couple of weeks ago but the beginning of the show turned up on another tape OOBS_1991-09-16.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/mb4a5b3q91ybaf3 OOBS_1991-09-23.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/044mhjk4lshi1r4 OOBS_1991-10-28.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/ql9qt6u466d8bqh OOBS_1991-11-11_Pt1.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/05pasnbo381zcge OOBS_1991-11-11_Pt2.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/fjjm67w94j8p2gp OOBS_1991-12-02.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/buufr2xuw516t5u From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 8 23:27:16 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:27:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: the clash session Message-ID: <1381267636.76974.YahooMailNeo@...> Listened to Cerys matthews on weekend 6music The Clash told the story about the failed session. Their version was different to thos recorded on teh wiki : * None. One attempt, scheduled for 24 April 1978, was abandoned. Peel noted in his diary the circumstances surrounding this: ' They actually got as far as recording the backing tracks, but then they were so out of their heads they couldn't finish it, and decided the BBC's equipment wasn't good enough. It was one of those things where you thought: How do you argue with stupidity on this level? Not a very punk attitude, I thought.' (Peel, J./Ravenscroft, S., Margrave Of The Marshes, Corgi Books, 2006, p. 368.) * However, Ken Garner's The Peel Sessions contains an anecdote by Bill Aitken, the engineer on that date, which casts doubt on Peel's recollection. Aitken suggests that, when he inquired after Topper Headon's dog, the rest of the band made fun of Headon because of this. The session then became increasingly negative and was finally cancelled by the group (Garner, K., The Peel Sessions, BBC Books, 2007, p. 99) They say it was sever musical differences with engineers and that Peel held it against them ... I won't have time to listen again but someone else may be able to and then update? From postscriptxyz@... Thu Oct 10 03:03:13 2013 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz@...) Date: 09 Oct 2013 18:03:13 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <5D3EFFA7-E597-4E5B-9FE8-6B3EB76DA0B7@...> References: <5D3EFFA7-E597-4E5B-9FE8-6B3EB76DA0B7@...> Message-ID: SmF5IEpheSwNCiANCg0KIEhlcmUgaXMgeW91ciBtaXNzaW5nIHRyYWNrOg0KIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cu bWVkaWFmaXJlLmNvbS8/dW9sOGV0aG51cXN1am55DQoNCiANCg0KIFBhZCANCiANCg0KLS0tSW4g cGVlbEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIDxwZWVsQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCiBU aGFua3MgZm9yIHRoZSB3YXJtIHdlbGNvbWUgYW5kIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLCBBbGFuLiBUaGV5IHVz ZWQgdG8gYmUgaW4gY2Fzc2V0dGUgZm9ybSB3aGljaCB3ZXJlIHNvbGQgaW4gQ2FtZGVuIGFzIGJv b3RsZWdzIEkgdGhpbmsuIEknbSBob3BpbmcgdGhlcmUncyBzb21lb25lIGhlcmUgd2hvIGhhcyBp dC4gVGhvdWdoIHRoZSAzIGZpcnN0IHRyYWNrcyBvZiB0aGUgc2Vzc2lvbiBhcmUgcGFydCBvZiAi VGhhdCdzIGFsbCBWZXJ5IFdlbGwsIGJ1dC4uIiwgdGhlIGZvdXJ0aCB0cmFjayBpcyB0aGUgb25l IEknbSBsb29raW5nIGZvci4NCiANCg0KIFRoYW5rcyBhbnl3YXkhDQogDQoNCiBKYXkgamF5DQog DQogT24gT2N0IDYsIDIwMTMsIGF0IDE3OjQyLCBBbGFuIEZvcmQgPGZvcmQuYWxhbkAuLi4gbWFp bHRvOmZvcmQuYWxhbkAuLi4+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQoNCiAgIEhlbGxvIGFuZCB3ZWxjb21lLA0KDQpB Y2NvcmRpbmcgdG8gR2FybmVyLCB0aGVpciAzcmQgc2Vzc2lvbiB3YXMgcmVjb3JkZWQgMjMvMTAv ODgsIGJyb2FkY2FzdCAxLzExLzg4LCByZXBlYXRlZCAxMy8xMi84OC4NCg0KQXBwYXJlbnRseSBu ZWl0aGVyIG9mIHRoZXNlIHNob3dzIGlzIGF2YWlsYWJsZSwgYnV0IHRoZXJlIGlzIHRyYWNrbGlz dGluZyBvZiAxLzExLzg4IGhlcmU6DQogaHR0cDovL3BlZWwud2lraWEuY29tL3dpa2kvMDFfTm92 ZW1iZXJfMTk4OCBodHRwOi8vcGVlbC53aWtpYS5jb20vd2lraS8wMV9Ob3ZlbWJlcl8xOTg4DQoN ClRoaXMgYWxzbyBzdGF0ZXMgdGhhdCAzIG9mIHRoZSB0cmFja3MgYXJlIG9uIGFuIG9mZmljaWFs IHJlbGVhc2UuDQoNCkhhdmluZyBzYWlkIGFsbCB0aGF0LCBJJ20gc3VyZSB0aGVyZSBpcyBvbmUg bWVtYmVyIG9uIGhlcmUgd2hvIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSB0aGUgd2hvbGUgc2Vzc2lvbi4NCiANCkNoZWVy cw0KDQpBbGFuDQogIA0KDQogDQoNCiBPbiBTdW4sIE9jdCA2LCAyMDEzIGF0IDc6NDUgQU0sIDx3 YWxsb2Zzb3VuZDY1QC4uLiBtYWlsdG86d2FsbG9mc291bmQ2NUAuLi4+IHdyb3RlOg0KICAgSGkg ZXZlcnlvbmUuIE5ld2JpZSBoZXJlLiBBcyBJIGNhbid0IHNlZW0gdG8gZmluZCB3aGF0IEknbSBs b29raW5nIGZvciBhbnl3aGVyZSBJIHdhcyBob3BpbmcgSSBjb3VsZCBmaW5kIGl0IGhlcmUuIExv b2tpbmcgZm9yIE1jQ2FydGh5J3MgNC1UcmFjayBPY3RvYmVyIDE5ODggU2Vzc2lvbi4gSSdkIGJl IGdyYXRlZnVsIGlmIGFueW9uZSBjYW4gc2hhcmUgaXQhIFRoYW5rcyENCiANCiANCiANCiANCg0K DQoNCg0KIA0KIA0KDQoNCg== From wallofsound65@... Thu Oct 10 10:28:29 2013 From: wallofsound65@... (Jay Jay Lozano) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5D3EFFA7-E597-4E5B-9FE8-6B3EB76DA0B7@...> Message-ID: <1381393709.98555.YahooMailNeo@...> Pad, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THIS GEM! Glad I took my chances here. Jayjay On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:03 AM, "postscriptxyz@..." wrote:   Jay Jay, Here is your missing track: http://www.mediafire.com/?uol8ethnuqsujny Pad  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks for the warm welcome and information, Alan. They used to be in cassette form which were sold in Camden as bootlegs I think. I'm hoping there's someone here who has it. Though the 3 first tracks of the session are part of "That's all Very Well, but..", the fourth track is the one I'm looking for. Thanks anyway! Jay jay On Oct 6, 2013, at 17:42, Alan Ford wrote: > >   >Hello and welcome, >According to Garner, their 3rd session was recorded 23/10/88, broadcast 1/11/88, repeated 13/12/88. >Apparently neither of these shows is available, but there is tracklisting of 1/11/88 here: >http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/01_November_1988 >This also states that 3 of the tracks are on an official release. >Having said all that, I'm sure there is one member on here who will have the whole session. >Cheers >Alan >  > > > > >On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:45 AM, wrote: > > >>  >>Hi everyone. Newbie here. As I can't seem to find what I'm looking for anywhere I was hoping I could find it here. Looking for McCarthy's 4-Track October 1988 Session. I'd be grateful if anyone can share it! Thanks! > From mutetourettes@... Thu Oct 10 12:17:17 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (mutetourettes) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:17:17 -0000 Subject: newbie - I ripped a show, now what? Message-ID: ok so last night I ripped my C90 of John Peel's show of June 16th 1998 into my computer.. so it's now two nice loud 45 minute stereo 16/44.1 wav files.. now what? data-compress? upload? any pointers/instructions gratefully received Cheers mark From stuartb@... Thu Oct 10 21:31:34 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:31:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Normally we share files in mp3 format. There are probably lots of programs that will convert a wav file to mp3. I use Audacity (which you need to install along with a separate installation of Lame for Audacity which does the encoding). All the instructions for this are available at http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/windows . You would import the wav file into Audacity then Export as mp3, choosing a reasonable bit rate (192kbps or above). Of course whatever program you used to record the wav files may already be able to export to mp3. As far as uploading goes, a quick way you can do this without signing up for any accounts etc is to go to http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/incoming/ (log in with the details presented to you) and follow the instructions. Within a day the file will be available at http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/uploads/?C=M;O=A. Announce to this group here, and someone can then tracklist the programme on the John Peel Wiki http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1998. You can even get involved yourself if you wish. As you can see from that page, there are actually very few shows available from 1998, so it would be great to add to that! Good luck and thanks for offering to make your tape available. Stuart From: mutetourettes Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:17 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? ok so last night I ripped my C90 of John Peel's show of June 16th 1998 into my computer.. so it's now two nice loud 45 minute stereo 16/44.1 wav files.. now what? data-compress? upload? any pointers/instructions gratefully received Cheers mark From dr_mango2004@... Fri Oct 11 00:30:23 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:30:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: More Kershaw Message-ID: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> Here's two more (almost) complete Kershaw shows that I've stitched together from the available parts: 19 September 1992 Sheila Chandra in session (imagine an Indian Cocteau Twins). "Start" and end previously shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L168. The bit in the middle came from my rip of tape L253. I shared this a year ago but now here's a contiguous chunk of it. The show is missing the opening 13 / 15 minutes. This may already be out there from the SL tapes but not be identified. If anyone finds it, please let me know. 21 November 1992 Baaba Maal in session. The start and end of the show was previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L143. The mid section of the show was ripped and shared a year or so back by me from tape L083. I've put the three together, but the show is just missing the very first track of the programme. Download: http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/dr_mango/SL_Tapes/kershaw/ Dr Mango From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Oct 11 01:43:31 2013 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:43:31 +0100 Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? For those that don't know, Sheila Chandra is no longer able to sing due to medical reasons; even talking is painful: http://www.sheilachandra.com/latest.html Sheila did apparently cover Song To The Siren on the Real World compilation album "Gifted"; her website lists her contribution, although the some listings for this album credit "Izzy". It doesn't sound like her, to me. And even if it did, it's far from her best work, which I find to be the on the albums This Sentence Is True & ABoneCroneDrone. They are quite drone-y. http://www.sheilachandra.com/data/disco.html http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B00004YMUG (credits Izzy) http://www.amazon.com/Gifted-Women-World/dp/B00004YMUG (Credits Sheila Chandra) Her Monsoon stuff was good, everything that she has released since then has been truly remarkable, IMO. I recommend it all. Every second. On 10 October 2013 23:30, Dr Mango wrote: > > > Here's two more (almost) complete Kershaw shows that I've stitched > together from the available parts: > > 19 September 1992 > Sheila Chandra in session (imagine an Indian Cocteau Twins). "Start" and > end previously shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L168. The bit in the > middle came from my rip of tape L253. I shared this a year ago but now > here's a contiguous chunk of it. The show is missing the opening 13 / 15 > minutes. This may already be out there from the SL tapes but not be > identified. If anyone finds it, please let me know. > > 21 November 1992 > Baaba Maal in session. The start and end of the show was previously ripped > and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L143. The mid section of the show > was ripped and shared a year or so back by me from tape L083. I've put the > three together, but the show is just missing the very first track of the > programme. > > Download: http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/dr_mango/SL_Tapes/kershaw/ > Dr Mango > From psychedelic_zeppelin@... Fri Oct 11 08:32:36 2013 From: psychedelic_zeppelin@... (psychedelic_zeppelin@...) Date: 10 Oct 2013 23:32:36 -0700 Subject: Ta! Message-ID: QSBNYXNzaXZlIFRoYW5rIFlvdSB0byB0aGUgZ2VuZXJvdXMgcGVvcGxlIHdobyBtYWRlIHRoZSAy MDEwIFRvbSBSYXZlbnNjcm9mdCBzaG93cyBhdmFpbGFibGUgb24gdGhlIG1vb28uIEJlZW4gd2lz aGluZyBmb3IgYSBjaGFuY2UgdG8gbGlzdGVuIHRvIHRoZXNlIHNob3dzIGZvciBhZ2VzISB4 From paul@... Fri Oct 11 09:06:49 2013 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:06:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <1381070908.98439.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381053196.15431.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381053400.24482.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381061994.651.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381070908.98439.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <58936EE4-435F-4BB5-9648-7BC93B6154F4@...> The "making of" Tubular Bells documentary is on TV tonight (with repeats over the weekend) http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03cw8g0 Sent while mobile > On 6 Oct 2013, at 15:48, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > > there was a recent profile around the time of the recent anniversary of tubular bells release when Branson said as much about Peel being responsible fro the success of tubular bells and thus his whole success - if only he had known the consequences I am sure he would have snapped the record in two ... rather than playing it all the way through - although didn't we in fact get to the end of that mystery recently: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/29_May_1973 > > From: David Quantick > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 13:19 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 > > Pretty much. But imagine, without Oldfield, they could just have been a slightly more popular Dandelion... > > From: Alan Ford > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 11:08 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: April 1984 Mixtapes - Part 2 > > > That's better. Wasn't Peel largely responsible (or 'to blame'?) for the early success of Virgin? > > Alan > > > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Quantick wrote: > > Er... > > > http://www.virgin40.com/ > > > > > > > > From dr_mango2004@... Fri Oct 11 15:40:03 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:40:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381498803.99677.YahooMailNeo@...> Yes, I can sort out flacs for you. The source is FM mono. "Sheila did apparently cover Song To The Siren on the Real World compilation album "Gifted"." One of the session tracks reminded me exactly of that. DM On Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43, Alasdair Macdonald wrote:   Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? For those that don't know, Sheila Chandra is no longer able to sing due to medical reasons; even talking is painful: http://www.sheilachandra.com/latest.html Sheila did apparently cover Song To The Siren on the Real World compilation album "Gifted"; her website lists her contribution, although the some listings for this album credit "Izzy". It doesn't sound like her, to me. And even if it did, it's far from her best work, which I find to be the on the albums This Sentence Is True & ABoneCroneDrone. They are quite drone-y. http://www.sheilachandra.com/data/disco.html http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B00004YMUG (credits Izzy) http://www.amazon.com/Gifted-Women-World/dp/B00004YMUG (Credits Sheila Chandra) Her Monsoon stuff was good, everything that she has released since then has been truly remarkable, IMO. I recommend it all. Every second. On 10 October 2013 23:30, Dr Mango wrote: > > >Here's two more (almost) complete Kershaw shows that I've stitched together from the available parts: > > >19 September 1992 >Sheila Chandra in session (imagine an Indian Cocteau Twins). "Start" and end previously shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L168. The bit in the middle came from my rip of tape L253. I shared this a year ago but now here's a contiguous chunk of it. The show is missing the opening 13 / 15 minutes. This may already be out there from the SL tapes but not be identified. If anyone finds it, please let me know. > > > >21 November 1992 >Baaba Maal in session. The start and end of the show was previously ripped and shared by Weatherman Stuart from tape L143. The mid section of the show was ripped and shared a year or so back by me from tape L083. I've put the three together, but the show is just missing the very first track of the programme. > > > >Download: http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/dr_mango/SL_Tapes/kershaw/ > >Dr Mango > From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 11 18:31:01 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:31:01 -0000 Subject: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Really sad news, she was an amazing talent. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra > material? > > For those that don't know, Sheila Chandra is no longer able to sing due to > medical reasons; even talking is painful: > > http://www.sheilachandra.com/latest.html > From klacktoveedesteen@... Sat Oct 12 01:06:02 2013 From: klacktoveedesteen@... (Pete Conkerton) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:06:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381532762.51247.YahooMailNeo@...> This may be of interest then, chaps - it certainly interested me.   http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h98cc/episodes/guide   Cheers aye, Pete On Friday, 11 October 2013, 17:31, haze_harrison wrote:   Really sad news, she was an amazing talent. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra > material? > > For those that don't know, Sheila Chandra is no longer able to sing due to > medical reasons; even talking is painful: > > http://www.sheilachandra.com/latest.html > From haze.harrison@... Sat Oct 12 13:46:35 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:46:35 -0000 Subject: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: <1381532762.51247.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Thanks Pete, I hadn't seen that. Heading over to iPlayer now.... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Pete Conkerton wrote: > > This may be of interest then, chaps - it certainly interested me. >   > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h98cc/episodes/guide >   > Cheers aye, Pete > > > > On Friday, 11 October 2013, 17:31, haze_harrison wrote: > >   > Really sad news, she was an amazing talent. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > > > Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra > > material? > > > > For those that don't know, Sheila Chandra is no longer able to sing due to > > medical reasons; even talking is painful: > > > > http://www.sheilachandra.com/latest.html > > > From dr_mango2004@... Sun Oct 13 18:12:37 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:12:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: 27 October 2004 Message-ID: <1381680757.5225.YahooMailNeo@...> Did anyone manage to get the tribute show from Wednesday 27 October 2004. The wiki page points you to the "Life Has Surface Noise" blog. Unfortunately, the download link on the blog points to the next day's show instead. DM From dr_mango2004@... Sun Oct 13 20:39:11 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:39:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381689551.91095.YahooMailNeo@...> A good alternative for converting the wav files to mp3 is the Switch Audio File Converter. It can handle lots of different file types - and it's free! http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html DM ________________________________ From: Stuart Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2013, 20:31 Subject: Re: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what?   Hi Mark,   Normally we share files in mp3 format. There are probably lots of programs that will convert a wav file to mp3. I use Audacity (which you need to install along with a separate installation of Lame for Audacity which does the encoding). All the instructions for this are available at http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/windows .   You would import the wav file into Audacity then Export as mp3, choosing a reasonable bit rate (192kbps or above).   Of course whatever program you used to record the wav files may already be able to export to mp3.   As far as uploading goes, a quick way you can do this without signing up for any accounts etc is to go to http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/incoming/ (log in with the details presented to you) and follow the instructions. Within a day the file will be available at http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/uploads/?C=M;O=A.   Announce to this group here, and someone can then tracklist the programme on the John Peel Wiki http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1998. You can even get involved yourself if you wish. As you can see from that page, there are actually very few shows available from 1998, so it would be great to add to that!   Good luck and thanks for offering to make your tape available.   Stuart   From: mutetourettes Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:17 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what?     ok so last night I ripped my C90 of John Peel's show of June 16th 1998 into my computer.. so it's now two nice loud 45 minute stereo 16/44.1 wav files.. now what? data-compress? upload? any pointers/instructions gratefully received Cheers mark From peter.tron@... Sun Oct 13 20:43:26 2013 From: peter.tron@... (Barry Gibson) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:43:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? In-Reply-To: <1381689551.91095.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381689551.91095.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: itunes. On 13 October 2013 19:39, Dr Mango wrote: > ** > > > A good alternative for converting the wav files to mp3 is the Switch Audio > File Converter. It can handle lots of different file types - and it's free! > > http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html > > > DM > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stuart Brooks > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, 10 October 2013, 20:31 > *Subject:* Re: [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? > > > Hi Mark, > > Normally we share files in mp3 format. There are probably lots of programs > that will convert a wav file to mp3. I use Audacity (which you need to > install along with a separate installation of Lame for Audacity which does > the encoding). All the instructions for this are available at > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/windows . > > You would import the wav file into Audacity then Export as mp3, choosing a > reasonable bit rate (192kbps or above). > > Of course whatever program you used to record the wav files may already be > able to export to mp3. > > As far as uploading goes, a quick way you can do this without signing up > for any accounts etc is to go to http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/incoming/(log in with the details presented to you) and follow the instructions. > Within a day the file will be available at > http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/uploads/?C=M;O=A. > > Announce to this group here, and someone can then tracklist the programme > on the John Peel Wiki http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1998. You can even get > involved yourself if you wish. As you can see from that page, there are > actually very few shows available from 1998, so it would be great to add to > that! > > Good luck and thanks for offering to make your tape available. > > Stuart > > *From:* mutetourettes > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:17 AM > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [peel] newbie - I ripped a show, now what? > > > ok so last night I ripped my C90 of John Peel's show of June 16th 1998 > into my computer.. so it's now two nice loud 45 minute stereo 16/44.1 wav > files.. now what? > data-compress? upload? > any pointers/instructions gratefully received > Cheers > mark > > > > > From mutetourettes@... Mon Oct 14 14:38:03 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:38:03 +0100 Subject: newbie - I ripped a show, now what? Message-ID: ok thanks for the advice everyone - I used audacity to compress to MP3 192-cbr-stereo and have uploaded the two files are uploaded to http://mooo.peelwiki.com/dl/ML/ The track listing seems pretty similar to what's in the spreadsheet for that show, but I've not gone through it all checking. There's a bit of radio noise on the earlier sections but it clears up after a while. wasn't very hifi gear it was recorded on, and levels were pretty excessive for the ferric tape, but the transfer now has been pretty overkill, nakamichi (with azimuth) / apogee so *should* be ok unless the apogee's crystal was playing up again and I didn't notice. has boards of canada's XYZ on there.. Enjoy p.s. i don't think I have any other full show tapes left, mostly just 'chopped out songs' tapes, made on the fly or by tape-to-tape... From mutetourettes@... Mon Oct 14 14:41:31 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 13:41:31 +0100 Subject: 27 October 2004 Message-ID: also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From dr_mango2004@... Mon Oct 14 15:02:47 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:02:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM ________________________________ From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From klacktoveedesteen@... Tue Oct 15 01:40:37 2013 From: klacktoveedesteen@... (Pete Conkerton) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:40:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: The John Peel lecture Message-ID: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> Here it is then, let battle commence... http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. Cheers aye, Pete From februarycallendar@... Tue Oct 15 18:33:45 2013 From: februarycallendar@... (februarycallendar@...) Date: 15 Oct 2013 09:33:45 -0700 Subject: David Jensen show - 28 June 1982 Message-ID: TW9zdCBvZiBKZW5zZW4ncyBwcmUtUGVlbCBzaG93IGZyb20gMjguMDYuMTk4MiBjYW4gbm93IGJl IGRvd25sb2FkZWQgZnJvbSB0aGUgJ1JvYmluJyBzZWN0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBNb29vIC0gaXQncyAi YXQ4MTMiIChzb3JyeSBpdCBkb2Vzbid0IGhhdmUgYSBtb3JlIHJlY29nbmlzYWJsZSBmaWxlIG5h bWUgLi4uKSANCiANCg0KIFJQQw0K From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 15 21:12:28 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:12:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: the clash session In-Reply-To: <1381267636.76974.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381267636.76974.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381864348.91363.YahooMailNeo@...> unfortunately this has now disappeared off iplayer and I (as predicted) didn't garner the relevant quotation - has anyone saved it for posteriority ________________________________ From: MARK LUETCHFORD To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013, 22:27 Subject: the clash session Listened to Cerys matthews on weekend 6music The Clash told the story about the failed session. Their version was different to thos recorded on teh wiki : * None. One attempt, scheduled for 24 April 1978, was abandoned. Peel noted in his diary the circumstances surrounding this: ' They actually got as far as recording the backing tracks, but then they were so out of their heads they couldn't finish it, and decided the BBC's equipment wasn't good enough. It was one of those things where you thought: How do you argue with stupidity on this level? Not a very punk attitude, I thought.' (Peel, J./Ravenscroft, S., Margrave Of The Marshes, Corgi Books, 2006, p. 368.) * However, Ken Garner's The Peel Sessions contains an anecdote by Bill Aitken, the engineer on that date, which casts doubt on Peel's recollection. Aitken suggests that, when he inquired after Topper Headon's dog, the rest of the band made fun of Headon because of this. The session then became increasingly negative and was finally cancelled by the group (Garner, K., The Peel Sessions, BBC Books, 2007, p. 99) They say it was sever musical differences with engineers and that Peel held it against them ... I won't have time to listen again but someone else may be able to and then update? From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 15 21:16:57 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:16:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel ________________________________ From: Pete Conkerton To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture   Here it is then, let battle commence...     http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl   I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning.   Cheers aye, Pete From dunelm@... Tue Oct 15 23:26:00 2013 From: dunelm@... (dunelm@...) Date: 15 Oct 2013 14:26:00 -0700 Subject: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: IA0KIEZvciB0aG9zZSB3aG8gbWlzc2VkIGl0LCBNcyBDaHVyY2ggZXhjbHVzaXZlbHkgcmV2ZWFs ZWQgdGhhdCBzb21lIHJlY29yZCBjb21wYW5pZXMg4oCTIGdldCB0aGlzIOKAkyBleHBsb2l0IHRo ZSBzZXh1YWxpdHkgb2YgZmVtYWxlIHJlY29yZGluZyBhcnRpc3RzIGluIG9yZGVyIHRvIHNoaWZ0 IHVuaXRzLg0KIA0KIFRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhlIGhlYWRzIHVwLCBDaGFybG90dGUuDQogDQogLS0t SW4gcGVlbEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIDxNLkx1ZXRjaGZvcmRALi4uPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQog SGVhcmQgYSBjbGlwIG9uIFI0IFRvZGF5IHByb2dyYW1tZSBhbmQgbGlrZWQgd2hhdCBJIGhlYXJk IC4uLiBzZWVtZWQgdG8gc3BlYWsgc2Vuc2UgdG8gbWUgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHNleHVhbGlzYXRpb24g b2YgdGhlIG11c2ljIGluZHVzdHJ5IHRvIG1ha2UgYmlnIGJ1Y2tzIGZvciBjb3Jwb3JhdGlvbnMg LSBldmVuIGxpa2VkIHRoZSBibGFtaW5nIG9mIE1hZG9ubmEgZm9yIHRoZSBwaGVub21lbmEuIEl0 IHdhcyB3b3J0aCBpdCB0byBoZWFyIHRoZSBwaHJhc2UgImdldCB5b3VyIHRpdHMgb3V0IGZvciB0 aGUgYm95cyIgYXQgNy4zMGlzaCBpbiB0aGUgbW9ybmluZy4gd2lsbCBsaXN0ZW4gdG8gc2VlIGlm IHRoZXJlIHdhcyBhIGxpbmsgdG8gUGVlbA0KIA0KDQogDQogRnJvbTogUGV0ZSBDb25rZXJ0b24g PGtsYWNrdG92ZWVkZXN0ZWVuQC4uLj4NCiBUbzogInBlZWxAeWFob29ncm91cHMuY29tIiA8cGVl bEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20+IA0KIFNlbnQ6IFR1ZXNkYXksIDE1IE9jdG9iZXIgMjAxMywgMDo0 MA0KIFN1YmplY3Q6IFtwZWVsXSBUaGUgSm9obiBQZWVsIGxlY3R1cmUNCiANCiANCiAgIEhlcmUg aXQgaXMgdGhlbiwgbGV0IGJhdHRsZSBjb21tZW5jZS4uLg0KICANCiAgDQogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5i YmMuY28udWsvcG9kY2FzdHMvc2VyaWVzL2pwbCBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmJiYy5jby51ay9wb2RjYXN0 cy9zZXJpZXMvanBsDQogIA0KIEkgdGhvdWdodCBzb21lIGludGVyZXN0aW5nIHBvaW50cyB3ZXJl IG1hZGUsIHRob3VnaCBJIGRpZG4ndCBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIGFsbCBvZiBpdC4gVGhlIGJlc3QgYml0 IGZvciBtZSwgdGhvdWdoLCBpcyB0aGUgbG92ZWx5IHRyaWJ1dGUgZnJvbSBNYXJ5IEFubmUgSG9i YnMgcmlnaHQgYXQgdGhlIGJlZ2lubmluZy4NCiAgDQogQ2hlZXJzIGF5ZSwgUGV0ZQ0KDQoNCg0K DQogDQogDQogDQoNCg0KDQogDQogDQogDQoNCiANCg== From parkermike81@... Tue Oct 15 23:36:32 2013 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:36:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] David Jensen show - 28 June 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381872992.88433.YahooMailNeo@...> Many thanks,these Jensen shows are pretty hard to come across as is mike read. On Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 17:33, "februarycallendar@..." wrote:   Most of Jensen's pre-Peel show from 28.06.1982 can now be downloaded from the 'Robin' section of the Mooo - it's "at813" (sorry it doesn't have a more recognisable file name ...) RPC From stuartb@... Wed Oct 16 02:12:47 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 15 Oct 2013 17:12:47 -0700 Subject: Next batch of Pates Tapes Message-ID: S2VlbiB3aWtpIHdhdGNoZXJzIHdpbGwgYWxyZWFkeSBrbm93IGFsbCB0aGlzLCBidXQgb3ZlciBh dCBQYXRlcyBUYXBlcyBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBhdGVzdGFwZXMuY29tIENoYXJsZXMgaGFzIGJlZW4g dXBsb2FkaW5nIHNvbWUgbW9yZSBvZiBoaXMgc3Rhc2ggb2YgUGVlbCBzaG93cy4NCg0KSSd2ZSBq dXN0IGZpbmlzaGVkIHdpa2lmeWluZyB0aGVzZToNCg0KRmlyc3QgdXAgdGFwZSBUaGUgU21pdGhz IEZpcnN0IFNlc3Npb24gKDIxc3QgSnVuZSAxOTgzKSBpcyBhbiBhdWRpbyB1cGdyYWRlIG9mIHRo ZSA0NSBtaW51dGVzIG9mIHRoYXQgc2hvdyBDUCBwcmV2aW91c2x5IG1hZGUgYXZhaWxhYmxlLg0K DQpMYXVyZWwgJiBIYXJkeTpWaXRhbCBFeGN1cnNpb25zIG5vdyBoYXMgYW4gZXh0cmEgNDUgbWlu dXRlIChzaWRlIGIpIGFkZGVkLCB0aGUgc2hvdyBiZWluZyAxN3RoIE5vdmVtYmVyIDE5ODIuDQoN ClRhcGUgU2hvbmVuIEtuaWZlIGlzIHR3byBzaWRlcyBvZiB0d28gZGlmZmVyZW50IHNob3dzIHNw bGljZWQgdG9nZXRoZXIsIDE4dGggYW5kIDI0dGggSnVseSAxOTkyLCB0aGUgZmlyc3QgbmV3IHRv IHRoZSBjYXRhbG9ndWUsIHRoZSBzZWNvbmQgd2FzIHByZXZpb3VzbHkgYXZhaWxhYmxlIHRob3Vn aCBhIHRhcGUgZmxpcCBoYXMgYmVlbiBjb3ZlcmVkLg0KDQpTZW5zZWxlc3MgVGhpbmdzIGJyaW5n cyB1cyBhbG1vc3QgOTAgbWludXRlcyBvZiBhbm90aGVyIHNob3cgbmV3IHRvIHRoZSBjYW5vbiwg MjB0aCBOb3ZlbWJlciAxOTkzLg0KDQpCb2dzaGVkOlJlZCBMZXR0ZXIgRGF5IGlzIGEgZG91Ymxl IHNpZGVyIGZyb20gMjFzdCBBcHJpbCAxOTg2LCBleHBhbmRpbmcgZ3JlYXRseSBvbiB0aGUgMyB0 cmFja3MgcHJldmlvdXNseSBhdmFpbGFibGUgZnJvbSBvbmUgb2YgbXkgb3duIG1peCB0YXBlcy4g QW4gaW50ZXJlc3Rpbmcgc2hvdyBmb3IgdGhlIEJvb3BzIHRoZW1lZCB0cmFja3Mgc3ByaW5rbGVk IHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIHNob3csIGFuZCBhIHJhcmUgbGF0ZSBwbGF5IGZvciBEZXBlY2hlIE1vZGUu DQpGaW5hbGx5IFNraWZmIFNrYXRzOiBOaWdodGluZ2FsZXMgaXMgYWdhaW4gYSBzcGxpdCB0YXBl LCBzaWRlIDEgaXMgZnJvbSAxMXRoIE1hcmNoIDE5ODUgKG92ZXJsYXBwaW5nIGFuZCBleHBhbmRp bmcgb24gdGhlIDQwMCBCb3ggc2hvdyBmb3IgdGhhdCBkYXRlKSBhbmQgc2lkZSAyIHRoZSAxOHRo IE1hcmNoIDE5ODUgaXMgYW5vdGhlciBuZXcgc2hvdyB0byB1cy4NClRoYW5rcyB0byBDaGFybGVz IGZvciBtYWtpbmcgdGhlc2UgYXZhaWxhYmxlIG9uIGhpcyB3ZWJzaXRlIGFuZCB0byB0aGUgbXlz dGVyaW91cyBvcmlnaW5hbCB0YXBlcnMhDQoNCkkndmUgYmVlbiBnb2luZyB0aHJvdWdoIG1vcmUg b2YgdGhlIEd1bXRyZWUgSGF6ZSBjb2xsZWN0aW9uLCB3aWtpZnlpbmcgYW5kIEkgdGhpbmsgSSdt IHVwIHRvIE5vdmVtYmVyIDE5ODQgdGhlcmUuDQoNCkdpdmVuIHVwIHdpdGggaHlwZXJsaW5raW5n IHRoZSBzaG93cywgdGhlIHNpbGx5IG5ldyBlZGl0b3IgZG9lc24ndCB0dXJuIG9mZiB0aGUgaHlw ZXJsaW5rIHdoZW4geW91IHR5cGUgb24gYWZ0ZXIgaW5zZXJ0aW5nIGl0LGFuZCB0aGUgZGlzcGxh eSB0ZXh0IGJveCBoYXMgZ29uZSBhd29sIHNvIHlvdSBoYXZlIHRvIGVkaXQgdGhlIGRpc3BsYXll ZCBoeXBlcmxpbmsgYnkgb3ZlcnR5cGluZy4uLi4NCg0KU3R1YXJ0DQoNCiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBh dGVzdGFwZXMuY29t From robfleay@... Wed Oct 16 10:16:12 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:16:12 +0100 Subject: [peel] Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never ceases to amuse me how people want to listen to old cassettes from years ago recorded via FM on old technology in the highest possible digital format. What is it you are expecting to hear exactly? People say that mp3's lack spectral content, and I say, listen mate, LIFE lacks spectral content On 16 October 2013 02:00, wrote: > > > This is my complaint. Please don't force me to do it on Yahoo! > > drmango, explain to the group in normal English > that some of us including me are willing to have the WAV SOURCE > particularly if that SOURCE is recorded on high quality audio equipment > like the recent one from mutetourettes > > Life's short and I want to taste its best. > I have enough space at my home to store those WAVs > and I understand that someone don't > like Stuart (Brooks), and others, and are glad to have MP3s. > It's their choice. > > Can it be thus: Let the man mutetourettes upload the source to any file > server > like MEGA for example (MEGA now stores large files for much longer period > than the rest) > or any other (30 days) > and then those who need them will be able to download > and Stuart or someone else compress them to MP3 and will send it to mooo > > It's a shame that y'all don't realize it! > > The matter brooks no delay > > > From M.Luetchford@... Wed Oct 16 10:26:56 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:26:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. M ________________________________ From: "dunelm@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture     For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel From: Pete Conkerton To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture   Here it is then, let battle commence...     http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl   I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning.   Cheers aye, Pete From robfleay@... Wed Oct 16 12:11:06 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:11:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected > for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox > debate. I found this more interesting: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and > girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after > feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such > subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house > > Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in > the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his > personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism > much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can > remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few > gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few > time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of > gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many > women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I > am projecting my own views? > > A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why > his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to > do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the > musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male > domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. > > M > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "dunelm@..." > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 > *Subject:* [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > > For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record > companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in > order to shift units. > Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to > speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big > bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the > phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the > boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to > Peel > > *From:* Pete Conkerton > *To:* "peel@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 > *Subject:* [peel] The John Peel lecture > > > Here it is then, let battle commence... > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl > > I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with > all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary > Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. > > Cheers aye, Pete > > > > > > > > From mutetourettes@... Wed Oct 16 13:36:54 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:36:54 +0100 Subject: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo Message-ID: heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From stuartb@... Wed Oct 16 13:59:06 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:59:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat. There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better. I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs..... From: Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From rockerq@... Wed Oct 16 15:13:12 2013 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: RobF To: peel Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. M From: "dunelm@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed thatsome record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recordingartists in order to shift units. Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel From: Pete Conkerton To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture Here it is then, let battle commence... http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. Cheers aye, Pete From dr_mango2004@... Wed Oct 16 15:24:02 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:24:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote:   I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results.   If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat.   There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better.   I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs.....     From: Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo     heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it...   it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space..   In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From robfleay@... Wed Oct 16 15:59:13 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:59:13 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> Message-ID: I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > > > Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold > genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no > doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output > showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > > I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August > 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to > broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten > their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, > haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played > Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously > carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at > Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". > Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public > schoolboy. > > Rocker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RobF > To: peel > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy > working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > >> >> >> Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was >> selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the >> Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and >> girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after >> feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such >> subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in >> the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his >> personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism >> much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can >> remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few >> gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few >> time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of >> gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many >> women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I >> am projecting my own views? >> >> A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and >> why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it >> something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the >> world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that >> reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> M >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "dunelm@..." >> *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >> *Subject:* [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >> For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record >> companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in >> order to shift units. >> Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >> ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed >> to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make >> big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the >> phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the >> boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to >> Peel >> >> *From:* Pete Conkerton >> *To:* "peel@yahoogroups.com" >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >> *Subject:* [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> Here it is then, let battle commence... >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >> >> I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with >> all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary >> Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >> >> Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From davidquantick@... Wed Oct 16 16:29:32 2013 From: davidquantick@... (David Quantick) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:29:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> Message-ID: <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote:   I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > >Rocker > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: RobF >To: peel >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > >  >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: "dunelm@lineone.net" >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From dr_mango2004@... Wed Oct 16 17:04:04 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:04:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381935844.53269.YahooMailNeo@...> Flacs of the Sheila Chandra Andy Kershaw session from 19-09-92: Speaking In Tongues http://speedy.sh/phdsX/Speaking-In-Tongues.flac Mecca http://speedy.sh/F7VTe/Mecca.flac Dhyana and Donalogue http://speedy.sh/c69Cs/Dhyana-And-Donalogue.flac Lament of McCrimmon / Song of the Banshee http://speedy.sh/8mAYJ/Lament-Of-McCrimmon-Song-Of-The-Banshee.flac Kafi Noir http://speedy.sh/qfKa2/Kafi-Noir.flac DM ________________________________ From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@...m Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43 Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw   Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? From M.Luetchford@... Wed Oct 16 18:22:23 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:22:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381940543.90689.YahooMailNeo@...> Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. ________________________________ From: David Quantick To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote:   I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > >Rocker > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: RobF >To: peel >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > >  >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: "dunelm@..." >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From M.Luetchford@... Wed Oct 16 18:25:24 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:25:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> just to say you've lost me - just to say I really really like the scratches on my vinyl - its the quality of the tune not the recording - that grabs me and has anyone sourced the "life has surface noise" quote yet? ________________________________ From: Dr Mango To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:24 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo   I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote:   I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results.   If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat.   There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better.   I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs.....     From: Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo     heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it...   it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space..   In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From M.Luetchford@... Wed Oct 16 18:29:18 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:29:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381940543.90689.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381940543.90689.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1381940958.95812.YahooMailNeo@...> I quite liked Kershaw's characterisation of Peel as Eeyore, himself as Tigger and Walters as Owl from Winnie the Pooh My wife would point out at this point the fact that I routinely use surnames without forenames is a public school trait. She could well be right. ________________________________ From: MARK LUETCHFORD To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 17:22 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. ________________________________ From: David Quantick To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote:   I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > >Rocker > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: RobF >To: peel >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > >  >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: "dunelm@..." >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From wewalkforonereason@... Wed Oct 16 21:08:20 2013 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:08:20 +0100 Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: <1381935844.53269.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381444223.47430.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381935844.53269.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Thank you so much for this. One final request. I'd like to share this on dime, where I will be required to include an info file. Could you let me or the group know the lineage; generic lineage is OK if you don't have the full information. I cannot thank you enough for this. Sheila Chandra is one of my favourite artists, and since it seems unlikely that she will ever be able to record again, even this small handful of non-album tracks is a special treat. On 16 October 2013 16:04, Dr Mango wrote: > > > Flacs of the Sheila Chandra Andy Kershaw session from 19-09-92: > > Speaking In Tongues > http://speedy.sh/phdsX/Speaking-In-Tongues.flac > Mecca > http://speedy.sh/F7VTe/Mecca.flac > Dhyana and Donalogue > http://speedy.sh/c69Cs/Dhyana-And-Donalogue.flac > Lament of McCrimmon / Song of the Banshee > http://speedy.sh/8mAYJ/Lament-Of-McCrimmon-Song-Of-The-Banshee.flac > Kafi Noir > http://speedy.sh/qfKa2/Kafi-Noir.flac > > DM > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alasdair Macdonald > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43 > *Subject:* Re: [peel] More Kershaw > > > Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra > material? > > > __ > From zomgqashiyo@... Wed Oct 16 21:47:24 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 16 Oct 2013 12:47:24 -0700 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Hi, Mark. A warm welcome! (How to upload) mutetourettes@...For your files only please do not encode WAV to FLAC or other lossless format Create FREE account here https://mega.co.nz/#register and UPLOAD WAVs Important: Use Firefox Browser (otherwise-difficulties) URL should look like this https://mega.co.nz/#!hMtgmS7K!HMF_xSViW2G1gGzjSFEgBTys-05cQhl45WHNJUKjP2c I just have tested the whole process there on 415.6MB File UL Time 6 MINUTES 17 SECONDS DL Time 3 MINUTES 19 SECONDS I tell you what do I think about all this. Later ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: just to say you've lost me - just to say I really really like the scratches on my vinyl - its the quality of the tune not the recording - that grabs me and has anyone sourced the "life has surface noise" quote yet? From: Dr Mango To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:24 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat. There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better. I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs..... From: Mark mailto:mutetourettes@... Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From markc63@... Wed Oct 16 22:38:49 2013 From: markc63@... (mr_maudlin) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:38:49 -0000 Subject: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381940958.95812.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: I have always thought of Peel has having left leanings and being sincere in his beliefs. Of course I've no hard evidence on this, but listening for 20 odd years I would I think have picked up on any hypocrisy. Didn't he take his eldest son on a demo in support of the miners? John was an incredibly decent an honest man - I wrote to him quite a few times over the years and once I put a return address on a very maudlin and feeling sorry for myself sort of letter, and I regretted it because I guessed that he would spend time replying, time he could have spent with his own young (at the time) family. And he did reply, with some minor details of family life and wishing me happier times. That card, and the one from Andy (see below), are the proverbial 'things to grab first in a fire'. As for Andy Kershaw, I was really sorry to hear of the meltdown in his personal life. After John died I returned to the Kershaw show for some much needed stability. I wrote to him and sent a MD of Peel anecdotes, which he played on his R3 show, and he sent me postcard (of Peel) thanking me and saying how much he too missed John. He even started a short lived and half joking 'let's get Peel back on radio' campaign. I've not really paid much attention to the lectures things - ia series of lectures didn't really strike me as being very Peel. A memorial Fast Show sketch or Medecine Head boxed set would seem to me to be more appropriate. I know next to nothing about Charolote Church, apart from her appearance on Have IGNFY, where I thought she was excellent. But I don't think it does any harm to state the bleedin obvious a few more times regarding things like sexism in the media. I have a memory of Peel saying when he lived in the States he and his mates used to follow a stripper around the various clubs in whatever town it was he was living, a bit like following a band at different gigs. He said he didn't think there was anything wrong with at the time because sexism hadn't been invented yet. This is obviously a flippant remark, but also one born of honesty. In these enlightened times, we of course should no better. And finally, on the are-we-all-blokes in the group thing. Isn't it because men have hobbies and women have lives? That's not to say women were'nt interested in Peel. When I met my wife and introduced her to Peel's show, she liked it a lot, particularly his dead pan wit and understatement. But she never felt the need to record the programmes, make up tapes and write ever so neatly on the inlay cards, or even file her record collection alphabetically (the obvious flaw being that I was already doing these things so why would she need to..). Anyway that's my twopenneth worth. Cheers to Mark L for raising the topic. Mark C --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > I quite liked Kershaw's characterisation of Peel as Eeyore, himself as Tigger and Walters as Owl from Winnie the Pooh > > My wife would point out at this point the fact that I routinely use surnames without forenames is a public school trait. She could well be right. > > > ________________________________ > From: MARK LUETCHFORD > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 17:22 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. > > > ________________________________ > From: David Quantick > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. > > Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote: > >   > I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten > > > > > > > On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > > > > > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > > > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > > > >Rocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RobF > >To: peel > >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am > >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > > > >  > >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house > >> > >> > >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? > >> > >> > >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. > >> > >> > >>M > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: "dunelm@..." > >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 > >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >>  > >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that > some record companies â€" get this â€" exploit the sexuality of female recording > artists in order to shift units. > >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. > >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> > >> > >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel > >> > >> > >>From: Pete Conkerton > >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 > >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >>Here it is then, let battle commence... > >>  > >>  > >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl > >>  > >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. > >>  > >>Cheers aye, Pete > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From stuartb@... Thu Oct 17 02:05:20 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 16 Oct 2013 17:05:20 -0700 Subject: Karl's Tape 04 Message-ID: Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_04_-_April_1982#Tracklisting now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. From zomgqashiyo@... Thu Oct 17 20:47:15 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 17 Oct 2013 11:47:15 -0700 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Mark If MEGA is too difficult for you, I'll tell you how to make FLAC, to upload to another file server. Just answer and I'll post the detailed instruction. But please don't encode until instructed. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hi, Mark. A warm welcome! (How to upload) mutetourettes@...For your files only please do not encode WAV to FLAC or other lossless format Create FREE account here https://mega.co.nz/#register and UPLOAD WAVs Important: Use Firefox Browser (otherwise-difficulties) URL should look like this https://mega.co.nz/#!hMtgmS7K!HMF_xSViW2G1gGzjSFEgBTys-05cQhl45WHNJUKjP2c I just have tested the whole process there on 415.6MB File UL Time 6 MINUTES 17 SECONDS DL Time 3 MINUTES 19 SECONDS I tell you what do I think about all this. Later ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: just to say you've lost me - just to say I really really like the scratches on my vinyl - its the quality of the tune not the recording - that grabs me and has anyone sourced the "life has surface noise" quote yet? From: Dr Mango To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:24 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat. There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better. I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs..... From: Mark mailto:mutetourettes@... Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From jimd394@... Thu Oct 17 22:46:32 2013 From: jimd394@... (jimd394@...) Date: 17 Oct 2013 13:46:32 -0700 Subject: Can't Download! Message-ID: Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From unity.gain@... Thu Oct 17 23:01:11 2013 From: unity.gain@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:01:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL - refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file ­ you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download! Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From stuartb@... Thu Oct 17 23:18:35 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:18:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL - refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download! Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From jimd394@... Thu Oct 17 23:43:28 2013 From: jimd394@... (Jim Donahue) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1382046208.33770.YahooMailBasic@...> Hmm.....still can't get it to work! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 9:18 PM   Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart   From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL -  refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger   From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download!     Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From stuartb@... Fri Oct 18 00:01:44 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:01:44 +0100 Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: <1382046208.33770.YahooMailBasic@...> References: <1382046208.33770.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: OK are you trying to download from a message on the mailing list? And if so are you doing this from the web version rather than the email? From: Jim Donahue Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:43 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! Hmm.....still can't get it to work! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 9:18 PM Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL - refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download! Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From stuartb@... Fri Oct 18 01:48:03 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:48:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D0576AB841C402B93D81A14C4C88F70@StuartWin7PC> Does anyone remember the Four Marks? A Mark and Lard show where the guests were Marks Lamarr and Kermode. Cue lots of amusing Radcliffe and Riley nonsense.... From: mr_maudlin Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:38 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: The John Peel lecture I have always thought of Peel has having left leanings and being sincere in his beliefs. Of course I've no hard evidence on this, but listening for 20 odd years I would I think have picked up on any hypocrisy. Didn't he take his eldest son on a demo in support of the miners? John was an incredibly decent an honest man - I wrote to him quite a few times over the years and once I put a return address on a very maudlin and feeling sorry for myself sort of letter, and I regretted it because I guessed that he would spend time replying, time he could have spent with his own young (at the time) family. And he did reply, with some minor details of family life and wishing me happier times. That card, and the one from Andy (see below), are the proverbial 'things to grab first in a fire'. As for Andy Kershaw, I was really sorry to hear of the meltdown in his personal life. After John died I returned to the Kershaw show for some much needed stability. I wrote to him and sent a MD of Peel anecdotes, which he played on his R3 show, and he sent me postcard (of Peel) thanking me and saying how much he too missed John. He even started a short lived and half joking 'let's get Peel back on radio' campaign. I've not really paid much attention to the lectures things - ia series of lectures didn't really strike me as being very Peel. A memorial Fast Show sketch or Medecine Head boxed set would seem to me to be more appropriate. I know next to nothing about Charolote Church, apart from her appearance on Have IGNFY, where I thought she was excellent. But I don't think it does any harm to state the bleedin obvious a few more times regarding things like sexism in the media. I have a memory of Peel saying when he lived in the States he and his mates used to follow a stripper around the various clubs in whatever town it was he was living, a bit like following a band at different gigs. He said he didn't think there was anything wrong with at the time because sexism hadn't been invented yet. This is obviously a flippant remark, but also one born of honesty. In these enlightened times, we of course should no better. And finally, on the are-we-all-blokes in the group thing. Isn't it because men have hobbies and women have lives? That's not to say women were'nt interested in Peel. When I met my wife and introduced her to Peel's show, she liked it a lot, particularly his dead pan wit and understatement. But she never felt the need to record the programmes, make up tapes and write ever so neatly on the inlay cards, or even file her record collection alphabetically (the obvious flaw being that I was already doing these things so why would she need to..). Anyway that's my twopenneth worth. Cheers to Mark L for raising the topic. Mark C --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > I quite liked Kershaw's characterisation of Peel as Eeyore, himself as Tigger and Walters as Owl from Winnie the Pooh > > My wife would point out at this point the fact that I routinely use surnames without forenames is a public school trait. She could well be right. > > > ________________________________ > From: MARK LUETCHFORD > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 17:22 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >  > Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. > > > ________________________________ > From: David Quantick > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >  > I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. > > Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote: > >  > I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten > > > > > > > On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > > > > > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > > > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > > > >Rocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RobF > >To: peel > >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am > >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > > > > > >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house > >> > >> > >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? > >> > >> > >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. > >> > >> > >>M > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: "dunelm@..." > >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 > >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that > some record companies â€" get this â€" exploit the sexuality of female recording > artists in order to shift units. > >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. > >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> > >> > >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel > >> > >> > >>From: Pete Conkerton > >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 > >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Here it is then, let battle commence... > >> > >> > >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl > >> > >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. > >> > >>Cheers aye, Pete > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 18 02:05:12 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:05:12 -0000 Subject: OT: Next batch of OOBS tapes Message-ID: HI All, Here are the next five "Out On Blue Six" shows. A couple are nearly complete the others are 30-40 minutes long. OOBS_1991-12-09.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/cx7dnhb2j11utj1 OOBS_1992-01-13.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/ap67624mx232w16 OOBS_1992-02-10.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/6y1ax9dqtv4svgl OOBS_1992-02-17.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/9p3f1s4pssbbd4t OOBS_1992-02-24.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/download/1mg8d2133e0b7eu Enjoy, Haze From haze.harrison@... Fri Oct 18 02:39:48 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:39:48 -0000 Subject: Gumtree Mixtapes - The rest of 1985 (and a multi-year mix) Message-ID: Last batch of mixtapes from the "W" Gumtree tapes. As ever, no Peel links unless indicated... 1985 Early.mp3 1985-01-08 - 01 - Billy Bragg - St Swithin's Day 1985-01-28 - 01 - Scala Timpani - Winds Of Change 1985-03-20 - 01 - Damage - This House 1985-03-20 - 02 - John Peel - outro 1985-03-25 - 01 - The Room - Crying Red 1985-05-13 & 05-15.mp3 1985-05-13 - 01 - Damage - Ya De Ho 1985-05-13 - 02 - John Peel - outro 1985-05-13 - 03 - Nip Drivers - Talk About Cars 1985-05-15 - 01 - The Room - But When Do We Start To Live 1985-05-15 - 02 - Nip Drivers - Elephant Man 1985-05-15 - 03 - Vic Goddard & The Subway Sect - Ambition 1985-07-02 & 07-08.mp3 1985-07-02 - 01 - Rose Of Avalanche - Rise To The Groove 1985-07-02 - 02 - Shoot! Dispute - Onto The Wheel 1985-07-08 - 01 - Shoot! Dispute - Gaff Gun 1985-07-08 - 02 - Folk Devils - This Traitor Hand 1985-07-08 - 03 - New Christs - Like A Curse 1985-07-08 - 04 - Folk Devils - It Drags On 1985-07-08 - 05 - John Peel - intro 1985-07-08 - 06 - Suicidal Tendancies - Institutionalized 1985-07-08 - 07 - John Peel - outro 1985-07-08 - 08 - Folk Devils - Under The Bridge 1985 Late.mp3 1985-07-22 - 01 - Del Amitri - Sticks And Stones Girls 1985-08-12 - 01 - The Fall - Cruisers Creek 1985-09-03 - 01 - Guana Bats - Nightmare Fantasy 1985-09-04 - 01 - Jegsy Dodd - The Day My Flat Turned Weird 1985-09-04 - 02 - Jegsy Dodd - Welcome To Hillview Heights 1985-09-04 - 03 - Jegsy Dodd - A Scouse Werewolf In London 1985-09-04 - 04 - Jegsy Dodd - No Place To Run 1985-10-30 - 01 - The Meteors - Meat Is Meat 1985-11-05 - 01 - Cabaret Voltaire - Hell's Home Multi-year Mix.mp3 1986-12-22 - 01 - Colourbox - The Official Colourbox World Cup Theme 1987-07-15 - 01 - Ivor Cutler - The Clever Night Doctor 1987-07-15 - 02 - Ivor Cutler - The Aggressive Onion Vendor 1987-07-15 - 03 - Ivor Cutler - Me And My Kid Brother 1991-08-11 - 01 - Go - Tree Of Life 1991-08-11 - 02 - John Peel - outro 1996-03-16 - 01 - Melt Banana - Disposable Weathercock 1996-04-13 - 01 - Joshua & Janette - Gasoline 1996-12-29 - 01 - XLNT - New Lang Syne From robfleay@... Fri Oct 18 09:49:07 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:49:07 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: I think that all the tape rippers know how to make flacs and upload to file lockers. Remember that they aren't doing it for you personally and if your specific demanding requests around file format go ignored then you might want to draw your own conclusions from that. On 17 October 2013 19:47, wrote: > > > Mark > If MEGA is too difficult for you, I'll tell you how to make FLAC, to > upload to another file server. > Just answer and I'll post the detailed instruction. > But please don't encode until instructed. > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi, Mark. A warm welcome! > > (How to upload) mutetourettes@...For your files only > > please do not encode WAV to FLAC or other lossless format > > Create FREE account here https://mega.co.nz/#register > and UPLOAD WAVs > > Important: Use Firefox Browser (otherwise-difficulties) > > URL should look like this > https://mega.co.nz/#!hMtgmS7K!HMF_xSViW2G1gGzjSFEgBTys-05cQhl45WHNJUKjP2c > > I just have tested the whole process there on 415.6MB File > UL Time 6 MINUTES 17 SECONDS > DL Time 3 MINUTES 19 SECONDS > > I tell you what do I think about all this. Later > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > just to say you've lost me - just to say I really really like the > scratches on my vinyl - its the quality of the tune not the recording - > that grabs me and has anyone sourced the "life has surface noise" quote yet? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dr Mango > *To:* "peel@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:24 > *Subject:* Re: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo > > > I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, > as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged > recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different > tape deck often without azimuth correction. > > On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time > while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is > called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. > > DM > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: > > I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape > heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust > azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater > importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have > done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix > down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously > strange results. > > If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to > sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of > the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. > Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably > cardboardy and flat. > > There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as > wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 > even at 128kpbs sounds much better. > > I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day > there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb > discs..... > > > *From:* Mark > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo > > > heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where > to stick it... > > it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and > sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just > in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use > the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's > limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that > I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 > gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the > consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra > storage space.. > > In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio > tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... > > > > > > > > From mutetourettes@... Fri Oct 18 13:05:17 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:05:17 +0100 Subject: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo Message-ID: I'll look into MEGA this weekend when I've got some time, and more importantly, when my bandwidth is unmetered... Then anyone who wants the wav can have it. From jimd394@... Fri Oct 18 14:08:53 2013 From: jimd394@... (Jim Donahue) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 05:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1382098133.67261.YahooMailBasic@...> No - going directly to the page on the mooo server with the folders. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 10:01 PM   OK are you trying to download from a message on the mailing list? And if so are you doing this from the web version rather than the email?   From: Jim Donahue Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:43 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     Hmm.....still can't get it to work! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 9:18 PM   Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart   From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL -  refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger   From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download!     Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From stuartb@... Fri Oct 18 15:04:14 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:04:14 +0100 Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: <1382098133.67261.YahooMailBasic@...> References: <1382098133.67261.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: <9540CC0AE57544BC8C37B60BF5272C04@StuartWin7PC> Just tried in Chrome, Firefox and IE10, and right-clicking a file (not a folder) gives “Save link as” or “save target as”. Perhaps whatever browser you are using has been set up to play rather than be able to download mp3s, perhaps with a plug-in such as Quick Time or VLC. If you don’t know how to disable that then download a browser you don’t already have and it should by default allow right-click save-as. Stuart From: Jim Donahue Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 1:08 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! No - going directly to the page on the mooo server with the folders. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 10:01 PM OK are you trying to download from a message on the mailing list? And if so are you doing this from the web version rather than the email? From: Jim Donahue Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:43 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! Hmm.....still can't get it to work! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 9:18 PM Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL - refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download! Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From jimd394@... Fri Oct 18 15:46:31 2013 From: jimd394@... (Jim Donahue) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Can't Download! In-Reply-To: <9540CC0AE57544BC8C37B60BF5272C04@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <1382103991.12038.YahooMailBasic@...> I tried using IE and it worked fine! I normally use Firefox so I will look into the settings. Thanks very much for your help! -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 10/18/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 18, 2013, 1:04 PM   Just tried in Chrome, Firefox and IE10, and right-clicking a file (not a folder) gives “Save link as” or “save target as”.   Perhaps whatever browser you are using has been set up to play rather than be able to download mp3s, perhaps with a plug-in such as Quick Time or VLC.   If you don’t know how to disable that then download a browser you don’t already have and it should by default allow right-click save-as.   Stuart       From: Jim Donahue Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 1:08 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     No - going directly to the page on the mooo server with the folders. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 10:01 PM   OK are you trying to download from a message on the mailing list? And if so are you doing this from the web version rather than the email?   From: Jim Donahue Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:43 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     Hmm.....still can't get it to work! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/17/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download! To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 17, 2013, 9:18 PM   Also, some users post files on sendspace etc and the link is to a webpage rather than directly to a file. URL shorteners such as Tiny URL can interfere with the right-click save-as functionality. Stuart   From: Roger Carruthers Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:01 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Can't Download!     For stuff from the Mooo, you need to go to the referring page; click the link and remove the file name from the URL -  refresh the page, then find the file you want on that page and right-click/download linked file – you'll need to log in to the Mooo server and then the file should download, Cheers Roger   From: Reply-To: Date: Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:46 To: Subject: [peel] Can't Download!     Hi All, I haven't been on here in a while and when I went to download something I didn't get the "save target as" option on the right-click. Tried it with a few other files on here - same thing. I never used to have a problem, any suggestions? From unity.gain@... Fri Oct 18 18:21:34 2013 From: unity.gain@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:21:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If ever you find yourself getting too precious about audio quality, try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ and thisŠ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM Why these were not on the reading list when I did my Masters in Sound Engineering, I'll never know ;-) Cheers Roger I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: I¹ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that¹s something that you can¹t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat. There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better. I have kept lossless flacs of everything I¹ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we¹ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs..... From: Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From ford.alan@... Fri Oct 18 23:43:36 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > ** > > > These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented > in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th > November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he > recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished > copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday > 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! > > DM > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 > *Subject:* [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd > already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did > eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? > > > > From markc63@... Fri Oct 18 23:58:55 2013 From: markc63@... (mr_maudlin) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:58:55 -0000 Subject: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Blimey that second video was good, didn't understand much of it, but it was good. When I worked in a hi-fi shop in the 1980's (and when we weren't endlessly quoting that Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch about hi-fi shops) we always worked on the mantra of spend the most money on the source of the music (e.g. turntable/CD). And I think this argument about FLACS from TDK D90's recorded on your dad's Grundig music centre with a string type FM aerial blu-tacked to the wall that the cat kept playing with, is sort of the same thing. Sort of. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > If ever you find yourself getting too precious about audio quality, try > this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ > and thisŠ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM > > Why these were not on the reading list when I did my Masters in Sound > Engineering, I'll never know ;-) > Cheers > Roger > > > > > > I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, > as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged > recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different > tape deck often without azimuth correction. > > On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time > while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is > called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. > > DM > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: > > > > > > > I¹ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads > and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and > of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are > quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth > tweaking and that¹s something that you can¹t fix down the line. And Dolby > level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. > > If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to > sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the > tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you > drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and > flat. > > There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav > and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at > 128kpbs sounds much better. > > I have kept lossless flacs of everything I¹ve ripped as no doubt one day > there will be a Supermooo and we¹ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb > discs..... > > > From: Mark > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo > > > heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to > stick it... > > it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and > sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just > in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use > the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited > to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to > use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of > similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 > gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. > > In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference > farts and whatnot... but hey... > From M.Luetchford@... Sat Oct 19 00:41:52 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:41:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <7D0576AB841C402B93D81A14C4C88F70@StuartWin7PC> References: <7D0576AB841C402B93D81A14C4C88F70@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <1382136112.45520.YahooMailNeo@...> Mark is a ridiculously common name for men of my age - I had a meeting at work with four others yesterday but there was little of the Riley/Lard nonsense that would ahve been far more fun - and yet there is not a single Mark in my kids schools. John remains forever popular  - although of course there were only three of them ________________________________ From: Stuart Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013, 0:48 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: The John Peel lecture   Does anyone remember the Four Marks? A Mark and Lard show where the guests were Marks Lamarr and Kermode. Cue lots of amusing Radcliffe and Riley nonsense.... From: mr_maudlin Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:38 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: The John Peel lecture   I have always thought of Peel has having left leanings and being sincere in his beliefs. Of course I've no hard evidence on this, but listening for 20 odd years I would I think have picked up on any hypocrisy. Didn't he take his eldest son on a demo in support of the miners? John was an incredibly decent an honest man - I wrote to him quite a few times over the years and once I put a return address on a very maudlin and feeling sorry for myself sort of letter, and I regretted it because I guessed that he would spend time replying, time he could have spent with his own young (at the time) family. And he did reply, with some minor details of family life and wishing me happier times. That card, and the one from Andy (see below), are the proverbial 'things to grab first in a fire'. As for Andy Kershaw, I was really sorry to hear of the meltdown in his personal life. After John died I returned to the Kershaw show for some much needed stability. I wrote to him and sent a MD of Peel anecdotes, which he played on his R3 show, and he sent me postcard (of Peel) thanking me and saying how much he too missed John. He even started a short lived and half joking 'let's get Peel back on radio' campaign. I've not really paid much attention to the lectures things - ia series of lectures didn't really strike me as being very Peel. A memorial Fast Show sketch or Medecine Head boxed set would seem to me to be more appropriate. I know next to nothing about Charolote Church, apart from her appearance on Have IGNFY, where I thought she was excellent. But I don't think it does any harm to state the bleedin obvious a few more times regarding things like sexism in the media. I have a memory of Peel saying when he lived in the States he and his mates used to follow a stripper around the various clubs in whatever town it was he was living, a bit like following a band at different gigs. He said he didn't think there was anything wrong with at the time because sexism hadn't been invented yet. This is obviously a flippant remark, but also one born of honesty. In these enlightened times, we of course should no better. And finally, on the are-we-all-blokes in the group thing. Isn't it because men have hobbies and women have lives? That's not to say women were'nt interested in Peel. When I met my wife and introduced her to Peel's show, she liked it a lot, particularly his dead pan wit and understatement. But she never felt the need to record the programmes, make up tapes and write ever so neatly on the inlay cards, or even file her record collection alphabetically (the obvious flaw being that I was already doing these things so why would she need to..). Anyway that's my twopenneth worth. Cheers to Mark L for raising the topic. Mark C --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > I quite liked Kershaw's characterisation of Peel as Eeyore, himself as Tigger and Walters as Owl from Winnie the Pooh > > My wife would point out at this point the fact that I routinely use surnames without forenames is a public school trait. She could well be right. > > > ________________________________ > From: MARK LUETCHFORD > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 17:22 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. > > > ________________________________ > From: David Quantick > To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. > > Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote: > >   > I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten > > > > > > > On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > > > > > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > > > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > > > >Rocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: RobF > >To: peel > >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am > >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > > > >  > >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house > >> > >> > >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? > >> > >> > >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. > >> > >> > >>M > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: "dunelm@..." > >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 > >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >> > >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that > some record companies â" get this â" exploit the sexuality of female recording > artists in order to shift units. > >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. > >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> > >> > >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel > >> > >> > >>From: Pete Conkerton > >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 > >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >>Here it is then, let battle commence... > >> > >> > >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl > >> > >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. > >> > >>Cheers aye, Pete > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From stuartb@... Sat Oct 19 01:18:12 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:18:12 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And as the source material was fixed 10-20-30 years ago, AM/FM radio (ideally the latter) and the recording deck, the next link in the chain is playback – a 3-head tape deck in good condition with a playback head optimised to playing back, pitch control to avoid having to do that digitally, Dolby off unless recorded on the same deck, and azimuth adjustment to avoid the muffled AM sound. If you don’t get that right then it doesn’t matter what digital format you then use! Still wouldn’t like to go below 128kbps mp3 for an old AM recording / poorly ripped FM recording but for the best tapes recorded and played back on well adjusted hi-fi cassette decks I would raise that to 192 or 320. The effective dynamic range of the early 1980s sessions and records as broadcast, even recorded from FM to cassette, is higher than most current radio output due to the advanced compression, both studio and radio station, nowadays employed as part of the Loudness War. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Fb3rWNWDA Stuart From: mr_maudlin Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:58 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo Blimey that second video was good, didn't understand much of it, but it was good. When I worked in a hi-fi shop in the 1980's (and when we weren't endlessly quoting that Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch about hi-fi shops) we always worked on the mantra of spend the most money on the source of the music (e.g. turntable/CD). And I think this argument about FLACS from TDK D90's recorded on your dad's Grundig music centre with a string type FM aerial blu-tacked to the wall that the cat kept playing with, is sort of the same thing. Sort of. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > If ever you find yourself getting too precious about audio quality, try > this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ > and thisŠ > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM > > Why these were not on the reading list when I did my Masters in Sound > Engineering, I'll never know ;-) > Cheers > Roger > > > > > > I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, > as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged > recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different > tape deck often without azimuth correction. > > On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time > while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is > called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. > > DM > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: > > > > > > > I¹ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads > and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and > of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are > quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth > tweaking and that¹s something that you can¹t fix down the line. And Dolby > level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. > > If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to > sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the > tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you > drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and > flat. > > There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav > and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at > 128kpbs sounds much better. > > I have kept lossless flacs of everything I¹ve ripped as no doubt one day > there will be a Supermooo and we¹ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb > discs..... > > > From: Mark > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo > > > heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to > stick it... > > it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and > sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just > in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use > the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited > to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to > use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of > similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 > gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. > > In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference > farts and whatnot... but hey... > From zomgqashiyo@... Sat Oct 19 03:23:12 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 18 Oct 2013 18:23:12 -0700 Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo In-Reply-To: References: <1381929842.56599.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381940724.19941.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Good point, RobF. But what's wrong with you, cocaine? I'm here that E V E R Y O N E regardless of their knowings can achieve the optimum effect. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think that all the tape rippers know how to make flacs and upload to file lockers. Remember that they aren't doing it for you personally and if your specific demanding requests around file format go ignored then you might want to draw your own conclusions from that. On 17 October 2013 19:47, wrote: Mark If MEGA is too difficult for you, I'll tell you how to make FLAC, to upload to another file server. Just answer and I'll post the detailed instruction. But please don't encode until instructed. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hi, Mark. A warm welcome! (How to upload) mutetourettes@...For your files only please do not encode WAV to FLAC or other lossless format Create FREE account here https://mega.co.nz/#register https://mega.co.nz/#register and UPLOAD WAVs Important: Use Firefox Browser (otherwise-difficulties) URL should look like this https://mega.co.nz/#!hMtgmS7K!HMF_xSViW2G1gGzjSFEgBTys-05cQhl45WHNJUKjP2c https://mega.co.nz/#!hMtgmS7K!HMF_xSViW2G1gGzjSFEgBTys-05cQhl45WHNJUKjP2c I just have tested the whole process there on 415.6MB File UL Time 6 MINUTES 17 SECONDS DL Time 3 MINUTES 19 SECONDS I tell you what do I think about all this. Later ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: just to say you've lost me - just to say I really really like the scratches on my vinyl - its the quality of the tune not the recording - that grabs me and has anyone sourced the "life has surface noise" quote yet? From: Dr Mango To: "peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:24 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo I get rather hacked off when people start bleating about lossless formats, as if it's going to make ANY difference to the sonic quality of aged recordings often made on cheap tapes and ripped years later on a different tape deck often without azimuth correction. On a personal note, I'm not prepared to wait around for an hour at a time while a massive wav / flac file is uploaded to whatever file server is called into use. My time is more important, as is my bandwidth. DM On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 12:59, Stuart Brooks wrote: I’ve always thought that the quality of the ripping (eg make sure tape heads and transport are in good condition, use a 3 head deck, adjust azimuth) and of the original source (AM/FM) were of much greater importance. There are quite a few ripped tapes out there that could have done with some azimuth tweaking and that’s something that you can’t fix down the line. And Dolby level mismatch on playback can have some seriously strange results. If you drop much below 192kbps then the best FM recordings would start to sound a bit more squishy on a good system but I really doubt that any of the tapes we have would really benefit from wav over say a 320kpbs mp3. Once you drop below 128kpbs then audio becomes much more noticeably cardboardy and flat. There are a few of the oldest Peel shows out there which were output as wav and they sound awful, due to poor tapes/decks, and a well ripped mp3 even at 128kpbs sounds much better. I have kept lossless flacs of everything I’ve ripped as no doubt one day there will be a Supermooo and we’ll all have Superfast broadband and 10Tb discs..... From: Mark mailto:mutetourettes@... Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Say it to the rest On behalf of Zomgqashiyo heheh well I'm happy to upload the wav files if someone tells me where to stick it... it's an interesting debate, and I've been tempted to up the bitdepth and sampling rate of tapes I archive (mostly public talks etc, not radio) just in case some mythical future noise-reduction/restoration thingmyjig can use the extra bits... but I got that nice old apogee A/D converter (it's limited to 16/48 and under) for next to nothing and it sounds so nice that I tend to use it and be satisfied with that rather than save up for 24/96 gear of similar quality.. I haven't done much comparing of the consumer-level 24/96 gear that I have... doesn't seem worth the extra storage space.. In this case I think it's pretty moot, as there's radio tuning/interference farts and whatnot... but hey... From thebarguest@... Sun Oct 20 00:05:06 2013 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest@...) Date: 19 Oct 2013 15:05:06 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> Message-ID: Agree ! It's absolutely incredible the amount of inverted snobbery in UK (inc UK media ) against people who had no choice about a public-school education ! I remember Liz Kershaw saying in her tribute to JP something like "even though he was a posh public schoolboy". Imagine the outcry if the media kept on labelling the likes of Rotten, Shaun Ryder etc as "council estate lowlifes" ! Like the old comedy sketch, everyone in UK seems to hate public-school folk, even the very-well-off middle-classes who were brought up "working class", like that nutty female Tory mp. Kershaw and his sis had very nice, middle-class upbringing by well-off teacher parents. Full marks to John Peel for overcoming/coping with all that hatred... ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: RobF To: peel Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. M From: "dunelm@... mailto:dunelm@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel From: Pete Conkerton To: "peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture Here it is then, let battle commence... http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. Cheers aye, Pete From stuartb@... Sun Oct 20 00:48:13 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 19 Oct 2013 15:48:13 -0700 Subject: More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! Message-ID: Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_05_-_May_1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/24_May_1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_06_-_June_1982 Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/22_June_1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Oct 20 02:33:20 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 19 Oct 2013 17:33:20 -0700 Subject: Pick Of The Week Message-ID: Hi there everyone! From Isector: 1994-06-03 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/03_June_1994 (Mazey Fade, Codeine) 1994-06-10 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/10_June_1994 (Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia, Tindersticks) 1994-12-10 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/10_December_1994 (Senseless Things, Tindersticks) 1994-12-16 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_December_1994 (Useda, Det-Ri-Mental) 1997-05-06 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/06_May_1997 (Tunic & Andrew Beaujohn) 1997-11-04 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/04_November_1997 (Pastels) and from Colin and his box of delights: 1995-07-28 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_July_1995 (Bandulu, Pussy Crush). Combined with CB084 to form the complete show. 1996-01-12 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/12_January_1996 (Zeni Geva, Future Sound Of London) Nearly complete: only the first track is missing. Many thanks to both of our heroes! Best wishes Steve (TK) From parkermike81@... Sun Oct 20 11:23:48 2013 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 10:23:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Pick Of The Week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382261028.4117.YahooMailNeo@...> Thanks very much Steve,1997 filling out nicely. New best of Peel vol on the Mooo, ill post them direct from now if Brankos ok with that, thanks your local MP. On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 1:33, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote:   Hi there everyone! From Isector: 1994-06-03 (Mazey Fade, Codeine) 1994-06-10 (Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia, Tindersticks) 1994-12-10 (Senseless Things, Tindersticks) 1994-12-16 (Useda, Det-Ri-Mental) 1997-05-06 (Tunic & Andrew Beaujohn) 1997-11-04 (Pastels) and from Colin and his box of delights: 1995-07-28 (Bandulu, Pussy Crush). Combined with CB084 to form the complete show. 1996-01-12 (Zeni Geva, Future Sound Of London) Nearly complete: only the first track is missing. Many thanks to both of our heroes! Best wishes Steve (TK) From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Oct 20 12:43:49 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 20 Oct 2013 03:43:49 -0700 Subject: [peel] Pick Of The Week In-Reply-To: <1382261028.4117.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382261028.4117.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Hi Mike Thanks for this! Checking my list, I realise I have BOP47 that you sent me ages back and I omitted to post - really sorry :-((, so if I do that, is it possible you could upload BOP48 for me in the way you have just done? Cheers mate! Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks very much Steve,1997 filling out nicely. New best of Peel vol on the Mooo, ill post them direct from now if Brankos ok with that, thanks your local MP. On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 1:33, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote: Hi there everyone! From Isector: 1994-06-03 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/03_June_1994 (Mazey Fade, Codeine) 1994-06-10 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/10_June_1994 (Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia, Tindersticks) 1994-12-10 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/10_December_1994 (Senseless Things, Tindersticks) 1994-12-16 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_December_1994 (Useda, Det-Ri-Mental) 1997-05-06 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/06_May_1997 (Tunic & Andrew Beaujohn) 1997-11-04 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/04_November_1997 (Pastels) and from Colin and his box of delights: 1995-07-28 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_July_1995 (Bandulu, Pussy Crush). Combined with CB084 to form the complete show. 1996-01-12 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/12_January_1996 (Zeni Geva, Future Sound Of London) Nearly complete: only the first track is missing. Many thanks to both of our heroes! Best wishes Steve (TK) From parkermike81@... Sun Oct 20 12:46:03 2013 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:46:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Pick Of The Week In-Reply-To: References: <1382261028.4117.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382265963.65403.YahooMailNeo@...> sure steve, ill do it after dinner On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 11:43, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote:   Hi Mike Thanks for this! Checking my list, I realise I have BOP47 that you sent me ages back and I omitted to post - really sorry :-((, so if I do that, is it possible you could upload BOP48 for me in the way you have just done? Cheers mate! Steve (TK)  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks very much Steve,1997 filling out nicely. New best of Peel vol on the Mooo, ill post them direct from now if Brankos ok with that, thanks your local MP. On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 1:33, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote:   Hi there everyone! From Isector: 1994-06-03 (Mazey Fade, Codeine) 1994-06-10 (Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia, Tindersticks) 1994-12-10 (Senseless Things, Tindersticks) 1994-12-16 (Useda, Det-Ri-Mental) 1997-05-06 (Tunic & Andrew Beaujohn) 1997-11-04 (Pastels) and from Colin and his box of delights: 1995-07-28 (Bandulu, Pussy Crush). Combined with CB084 to form the complete show. 1996-01-12 (Zeni Geva, Future Sound Of London) Nearly complete: only the first track is missing. Many thanks to both of our heroes! Best wishes Steve (TK) From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 20 18:34:28 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 17:34:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Pick Of The Week In-Reply-To: <1382265963.65403.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382261028.4117.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382265963.65403.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382286868.32924.YahooMailNeo@...> brilliant thanks - good to get all these ... ________________________________ From: Mike Parker To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, 20 October 2013, 11:46 Subject: Re: Re: [peel] Pick Of The Week   sure steve, ill do it after dinner On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 11:43, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote:   Hi Mike Thanks for this! Checking my list, I realise I have BOP47 that you sent me ages back and I omitted to post - really sorry :-((, so if I do that, is it possible you could upload BOP48 for me in the way you have just done? Cheers mate! Steve (TK)  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks very much Steve,1997 filling out nicely. New best of Peel vol on the Mooo, ill post them direct from now if Brankos ok with that, thanks your local MP. On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 1:33, "so_it_goes_2512@..." wrote:   Hi there everyone! From Isector: 1994-06-03 (Mazey Fade, Codeine) 1994-06-10 (Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia, Tindersticks) 1994-12-10 (Senseless Things, Tindersticks) 1994-12-16 (Useda, Det-Ri-Mental) 1997-05-06 (Tunic & Andrew Beaujohn) 1997-11-04 (Pastels) and from Colin and his box of delights: 1995-07-28 (Bandulu, Pussy Crush). Combined with CB084 to form the complete show. 1996-01-12 (Zeni Geva, Future Sound Of London) Nearly complete: only the first track is missing. Many thanks to both of our heroes! Best wishes Steve (TK) From stuartb@... Sun Oct 20 21:43:36 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: Milestones Message-ID: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From colinbray@... Sun Oct 20 22:41:40 2013 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:41:40 +0000 Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From stuartb@... Sun Oct 20 23:41:58 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:41:58 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> That last stat should have read – 6 years have more than 50% of shows that are complete! I think the late 90s dip may have been a combination of the tailing off of using cassettes as a recording medium (DATs CDr etc never really achieving the ubiquity or ease of recording), the beginning of listen again functionality reducing the need to keep shows, and was the period just before archiving shows on PVRs became easy. Thanks for the shows Colin and Isector! Stuart From: colin bray Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:41 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Milestones Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From M.Luetchford@... Mon Oct 21 12:03:57 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:03:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: BBC Auditions Message-ID: <1382349837.77018.YahooMailNeo@...> R4 had a piece of the audition group that used to vet sessions - apparently there is a new book coming out.  Programme called auditioning for auntie is today at 4 - may be interesting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03dfl04 From egdirdle2013@... Mon Oct 21 12:48:29 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 03:48:29 -0700 Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Hi it's Karl of Karl's Tapes "fame" here. Had some trouble re-registering under different names etc. I have quite a bit from 1998. If Andrew can pop over to mine and teach me how to rip on Audacity I can do loads. Cheers Karl ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: That last stat should have read – 6 years have more than 50% of shows that are complete! I think the late 90s dip may have been a combination of the tailing off of using cassettes as a recording medium (DATs CDr etc never really achieving the ubiquity or ease of recording), the beginning of listen again functionality reducing the need to keep shows, and was the period just before archiving shows on PVRs became easy. Thanks for the shows Colin and Isector! Stuart From: colin bray mailto:colinbray@... Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:41 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Milestones Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From egdirdle2013@... Mon Oct 21 12:57:15 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 03:57:15 -0700 Subject: More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Karl here ( at last ) no I would have taped as live I imagine. Although there is , I suppose , a possibility that I had gaps at the end of tapes that I sometimes just filled. There would however have been no forwarding or rewinding I don't think. Over 30 years ago is hard to remember. Andrew has all the inlays as well as the tapes at the moment. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_05_-_May_1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/24_May_1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_06_-_June_1982 Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/22_June_1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From dr_mango2004@... Mon Oct 21 16:37:16 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:37:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1382366236.34162.YahooMailBasic@...> Happy to help! The recording of that AK show come from two sources / two rippers. Stuart (Weatherman22) will be able to supply the details of tape L168, but the two session tracks "Dhyana And Donalogue" and "Lament Of McCrimmon / Song Of The Banshee" from the middle third of the show come from tape L253, which I ripped. The progression goes something like this: FM mono broadcast > Unknown deck > Philips FS90 cassette > Technics RS-AZ6 > Steinberg WaveLab Lite 2.52 > FLAC Frontend 1.2.1b DM -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16/10/13, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 16 October, 2013, 20:08   Thank you so much for this. One final request. I'd like to share this on dime, where I will be required to include an info file. Could you let me or the group know the lineage; generic lineage is OK if you don't have the full information. I cannot thank you enough for this. Sheila Chandra is one of my favourite artists, and since it seems unlikely that she will ever be able to record again, even this small handful of non-album tracks is a special treat. On 16 October 2013 16:04, Dr Mango wrote: Flacs of the Sheila Chandra Andy Kershaw session from 19-09-92: Speaking In Tongues http://speedy.sh/phdsX/Speaking-In-Tongues.flac Mecca http://speedy.sh/F7VTe/Mecca.flac Dhyana and Donalogue http://speedy.sh/c69Cs/Dhyana-And-Donalogue.flac Lament of McCrimmon / Song of the Banshee http://speedy.sh/8mAYJ/Lament-Of-McCrimmon-Song-Of-The-Banshee.flac Kafi Noir http://speedy.sh/qfKa2/Kafi-Noir.flac DM From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43 Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw   Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? __ From johnpeel3904@... Mon Oct 21 17:51:18 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 08:51:18 -0700 Subject: John Peel's First Podcast Message-ID: I've uploaded John Peel's First Podcast on the Mooo Server, which was a free download on 3rd January 2011 from the BBC 6 Music website, which features compilation of John Peel's comments and music from various years. The music unfortunately was shortened by BBC 6 Music, due to copyrights, but nonetheless it is interesting to hear. I've also added the tracklistings on the Peel Wikia site. From stuartb@... Mon Oct 21 18:23:21 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:23:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: <1382366236.34162.YahooMailBasic@...> References: <1382366236.34162.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: <1886369CE9704815B08BE2FCF2CF2FE4@StuartWin7PC> FM mono broadcast > Unknown deck > Philips FS90 cassette > Nakamichi BX-300> Audacity> 220-260vbr LAME 3.99 encoded mp3 with flac available. From: Dr Mango Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:37 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw Happy to help! The recording of that AK show come from two sources / two rippers. Stuart (Weatherman22) will be able to supply the details of tape L168, but the two session tracks "Dhyana And Donalogue" and "Lament Of McCrimmon / Song Of The Banshee" from the middle third of the show come from tape L253, which I ripped. The progression goes something like this: FM mono broadcast > Unknown deck > Philips FS90 cassette > Technics RS-AZ6 > Steinberg WaveLab Lite 2.52 > FLAC Frontend 1.2.1b DM -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16/10/13, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 16 October, 2013, 20:08 Thank you so much for this. One final request. I'd like to share this on dime, where I will be required to include an info file. Could you let me or the group know the lineage; generic lineage is OK if you don't have the full information. I cannot thank you enough for this. Sheila Chandra is one of my favourite artists, and since it seems unlikely that she will ever be able to record again, even this small handful of non-album tracks is a special treat. On 16 October 2013 16:04, Dr Mango wrote: Flacs of the Sheila Chandra Andy Kershaw session from 19-09-92: Speaking In Tongues http://speedy.sh/phdsX/Speaking-In-Tongues.flac Mecca http://speedy.sh/F7VTe/Mecca.flac Dhyana and Donalogue http://speedy.sh/c69Cs/Dhyana-And-Donalogue.flac Lament of McCrimmon / Song of the Banshee http://speedy.sh/8mAYJ/Lament-Of-McCrimmon-Song-Of-The-Banshee.flac Kafi Noir http://speedy.sh/qfKa2/Kafi-Noir.flac DM From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43 Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? __ From hangthedj@... Mon Oct 21 18:26:15 2013 From: hangthedj@... (hangthedj@...) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:26:15 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel's First Podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78E347F2-9379-4911-AF5F-8D97A238A586@...> Coincidently I was listening to this the other day, I recognised one of the shows, and set out to identify the rest. Thanks to the extensive Peel wiki, I have added links to the shows these came from in1979, 80, 81 and 2004. BTW there are a couple of downloadable Peel recordings here, does any one know the dates these were from - http://www.fistoffun.net/downloads.htm ta h On 21 Oct 2013, at 16:51, wrote: > I've uploaded John Peel's First Podcast on the Mooo Server, which was a free download on 3rd January 2011 from the BBC 6 Music website, which features compilation of John Peel's comments and music from various years. The music unfortunately was shortened by BBC 6 Music, due to copyrights, but nonetheless it is interesting to hear. I've also added the tracklistings on the Peel Wikia site. > > > > > > > From johnpeel3904@... Mon Oct 21 19:08:48 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 10:08:48 -0700 Subject: [peel] John Peel's First Podcast In-Reply-To: <78E347F2-9379-4911-AF5F-8D97A238A586@...> References: <78E347F2-9379-4911-AF5F-8D97A238A586@...> Message-ID: I'm bit puzzled on the Peel recordings ? Which recordings are you referring to ?, as the link you provided, mentions Lee and Herring From zomgqashiyo@... Mon Oct 21 19:17:36 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 10:17:36 -0700 Subject: 9th July 1998 Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Youssou N'Dour O Birima! I think John realized too late: How great Thou art, how great Thou art! Then sings my soul, my Saviour God, to Thee; How great Thou art, how great Thou art! ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: 21.02.98 andy0998 YOUSSOU N'DOUR CASAMANCA GALLO/INTERNATIONAL COMITEE FOR THE RED CROSS CDNIC 005 SO WHY? (CD) (co) 21.02.98 john0998 http://www.discogs.com/Get-Up-Kids-A-Newfound-Interest-In-Massachusetts/master/230874 http://www.discogs.com/Get-Up-Kids-A-Newfound-Interest-In-Massachusetts/master/230874 Queen: We will rock you Barrack Obama speaking on events in Massachusetts, 18/4/2013: And we will finish the Race --- In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > My that was a popular date - 1998 is a fairly barren year but this is the > third recording of that show! > > > > Will update the wiki once the editor has stopped playing up > > > > Cheers for the show Mark! > > > > Stuart > > > > _____ > > From: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > mr_maudlin > Sent: 30 March 2013 18:13 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] 9th July 1998 Show > > > > > > Not a new show but might be better sound quality than the current version. > > Full show featuring Billy Bragg live session playing Woody Guthrie songs. > > http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?y2fw5dsnu6dq9a7 http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?y2fw5dsnu6dq9a7 > > Mark C > From dr_mango2004@... Mon Oct 21 19:29:43 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:29:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Kershaw In-Reply-To: <1886369CE9704815B08BE2FCF2CF2FE4@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <1382376583.13204.YahooMailBasic@...> I should mention that I got hold of Stuart's flac master and cut the session tracks out of it using WaveLab and then re-flac'ed it using the software previously mentioned. If that's required. DM -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21/10/13, Stuart Brooks wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 21 October, 2013, 17:23   FM mono broadcast > Unknown deck > Philips FS90 cassette > Nakamichi BX-300> Audacity> 220-260vbr LAME 3.99 encoded mp3 with flac available.   From: Dr Mango Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:37 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw     Happy to help! The recording of that AK show come from two sources / two rippers. Stuart (Weatherman22) will be able to supply the details of tape L168, but the two session tracks "Dhyana And Donalogue" and "Lament Of McCrimmon / Song Of The Banshee" from the middle third of the show come from tape L253, which I ripped. The progression goes something like this: FM mono broadcast > Unknown deck > Philips FS90 cassette > Technics RS-AZ6 > Steinberg WaveLab Lite 2.52 > FLAC Frontend 1.2.1b DM -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16/10/13, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 16 October, 2013, 20:08   Thank you so much for this. One final request. I'd like to share this on dime, where I will be required to include an info file. Could you let me or the group know the lineage; generic lineage is OK if you don't have the full information. I cannot thank you enough for this. Sheila Chandra is one of my favourite artists, and since it seems unlikely that she will ever be able to record again, even this small handful of non-album tracks is a special treat. On 16 October 2013 16:04, Dr Mango wrote: Flacs of the Sheila Chandra Andy Kershaw session from 19-09-92: Speaking In Tongues http://speedy.sh/phdsX/Speaking-In-Tongues.flac Mecca http://speedy.sh/F7VTe/Mecca.flac Dhyana and Donalogue http://speedy.sh/c69Cs/Dhyana-And-Donalogue.flac Lament of McCrimmon / Song of the Banshee http://speedy.sh/8mAYJ/Lament-Of-McCrimmon-Song-Of-The-Banshee.flac Kafi Noir http://speedy.sh/qfKa2/Kafi-Noir.flac DM From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013, 0:43 Subject: Re: [peel] More Kershaw   Would you be willing to share lossless copies of the Sheila Chandra material? __ From iaparkin@... Mon Oct 21 20:13:05 2013 From: iaparkin@... (iaparkin@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 11:13:05 -0700 Subject: Milestones In-Reply-To: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From stuartb@... Mon Oct 21 20:47:10 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:47:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Currently my Shows folder contains: 425Gb 5868 Files 78 Folders Which includes BFBS, BBCWS, Radio Eins etc, also some doubling up where there are several sources of a show, and some Andy Kershaw shows. And sessions 32.6Gb 6956 Files 1040 folders That’s where sessions have been made available separately from shows mainly on the DVD torrent but I know there are a lot more out there on blogs, and on martinw’s collection! I’ve kept flac copies and Audacity projects of all the files I’ve created so I’m probably pushing 1Tb in total. I know the Mooo doesn’t have unlimited space and includes lots of In Concerts, etc. But the Peel catalogue fits easily on an external Hard Disk and even were the entire back catalogue to become magically available it would fit onto a 3Tb disc in mp3 format. Don’t know how easy it is to turn a Hard Disk into a Mooo...... I’ve got everything backed up to a WD Live NAS so can access it all on remote PCs / iPods / phones PS3 etc. Stuart From: iaparkin@... Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:13 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Oct 22 00:40:06 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 15:40:06 -0700 Subject: Bop Til You Drop Message-ID: Many thanks to Mike for resumption of the Best Of Peel series, of which nos. 47-49 are now available (see here http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Mixtapes to access them all). Cheers also to johnpeel3904 for doing 48 before I had a chance to! Apologies for the break in transmission... Best wishes Steve (TK) From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Oct 22 00:43:44 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 15:43:44 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Show me yours and I'll show you mine? I have my shows, sessions etc. on 139 DVDs, which equates to approximately 625gb: a further 63gb have been downloaded but not archived yet. MInd you, that's including a large amount of BFBS material yet to be shared. Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Currently my Shows folder contains: 425Gb 5868 Files 78 Folders Which includes BFBS, BBCWS, Radio Eins etc, also some doubling up where there are several sources of a show, and some Andy Kershaw shows. And sessions 32.6Gb 6956 Files 1040 folders That’s where sessions have been made available separately from shows mainly on the DVD torrent but I know there are a lot more out there on blogs, and on martinw’s collection! I’ve kept flac copies and Audacity projects of all the files I’ve created so I’m probably pushing 1Tb in total. I know the Mooo doesn’t have unlimited space and includes lots of In Concerts, etc. But the Peel catalogue fits easily on an external Hard Disk and even were the entire back catalogue to become magically available it would fit onto a 3Tb disc in mp3 format. Don’t know how easy it is to turn a Hard Disk into a Mooo...... I’ve got everything backed up to a WD Live NAS so can access it all on remote PCs / iPods / phones PS3 etc. Stuart From: iaparkin@... mailto:iaparkin@... Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:13 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From webbiewebbster@... Tue Oct 22 05:21:21 2013 From: webbiewebbster@... (webbiewebbster@...) Date: 21 Oct 2013 20:21:21 -0700 Subject: John Peel's First Podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is what prompted me to create the podcasts to fill in the gaps between the annual #keepingitpeel day event. Because it wasn't the first JP podcast - it was the only one they did. Like the John Peel Day, another thing the Beeb abandoned. I've got a version of that pod here: http://keepingitpeel.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/john-peel-podcasts/ http://keepingitpeel.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/john-peel-podcasts/ ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I've uploaded John Peel's First Podcast on the Mooo Server, which was a free download on 3rd January 2011 from the BBC 6 Music website, which features compilation of John Peel's comments and music from various years. The music unfortunately was shortened by BBC 6 Music, due to copyrights, but nonetheless it is interesting to hear. I've also added the tracklistings on the Peel Wikia site. From robfleay@... Tue Oct 22 09:39:52 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:39:52 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel's First Podcast In-Reply-To: <78E347F2-9379-4911-AF5F-8D97A238A586@...> References: <78E347F2-9379-4911-AF5F-8D97A238A586@...> Message-ID: I seem to have a recollection that those Lee & Herring shows with Peel were where he stood in for Mark Radcliffe's show. That may or may not help with the date! On 21 October 2013 17:26, wrote: > > > Coincidently I was listening to this the other day, I recognised one of > the shows, and set out to identify the rest. Thanks to the extensive Peel > wiki, I have added links to the shows these came from in1979, 80, 81 and > 2004. > > BTW there are a couple of downloadable Peel recordings here, does any one > know the dates these were from - > http://www.fistoffun.net/downloads.htm > > ta > h > > > On 21 Oct 2013, at 16:51, < > johnpeel3904@...> wrote: > > > > I've uploaded John Peel's First Podcast on the Mooo Server, which was a > free download on 3rd January 2011 from the BBC 6 Music website, which > features compilation of John Peel's comments and music from various years. > The music unfortunately was shortened by BBC 6 Music, due to copyrights, > but nonetheless it is interesting to hear. I've also added the > tracklistings on the Peel Wikia site. > > > > > > > > > From robfleay@... Tue Oct 22 09:46:39 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:46:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: I have to say that it would be good to have one consolidated archive. Mooo is great but sometimes if you're looking for a particular show you have to trawl through all the different users directories. One big archive with a standardised naming convention and folders per year would be brilliant. Or at least brilliant for those of us with OCD filing tendencies... I seem to remember that Rocker was keeping stuff on his iCloud or something at one point? On 21 October 2013 23:43, wrote: > > > Show me yours and I'll show you mine? I have my shows, sessions etc. on > 139 DVDs, which equates to approximately 625gb: a further 63gb have been > downloaded but not archived yet. MInd you, that's including a large amount > of BFBS material yet to be shared. > > > Steve (TK) > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Currently my Shows folder contains: > > 425Gb 5868 Files 78 Folders > > Which includes BFBS, BBCWS, Radio Eins etc, also some doubling up where > there are several sources of a show, and some Andy Kershaw shows. > > And sessions > > 32.6Gb 6956 Files 1040 folders > > That’s where sessions have been made available separately from shows > mainly on the DVD torrent but I know there are a lot more out there on > blogs, and on martinw’s collection! > > I’ve kept flac copies and Audacity projects of all the files I’ve created > so I’m probably pushing 1Tb in total. > > > I know the Mooo doesn’t have unlimited space and includes lots of In > Concerts, etc. > > > But the Peel catalogue fits easily on an external Hard Disk and even were > the entire back catalogue to become magically available it would fit onto a > 3Tb disc in mp3 format. > > Don’t know how easy it is to turn a Hard Disk into a Mooo...... I’ve got > everything backed up to a WD Live NAS so can access it all on remote PCs / > iPods / phones PS3 etc. > > Stuart > > *From:* iaparkin@... > *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 7:13 PM > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [peel] RE: Milestones > > > > Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of > GBs or TBs of storage ? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for > quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with > downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making > everything available at one time ? > > > > Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically > mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails > ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard > drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. > Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but > Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths > archive material synced to date - and still going strong. > > > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few > important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: > > 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. > 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. > Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. > > There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One > programming created. > > Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show > availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. > 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, > 2003, 2004 > > Stuart > > > > > From mutetourettes@... Tue Oct 22 10:55:46 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:55:46 +0100 Subject: More Kershaw Message-ID: ello just a little note - in documenting the ripping it would probably helpful to list the actual Analogue to digital converters (A/D) used - that's a pivotal step jumping from the analogue to the digital realm and seems to be somehow getting skipped in the trails people provide... ie Nakamichi BX300 >> ??what A/D converter model /bit depth used /sample rate used ?? >> Audacity etc also NB the bit 'depth' and sample rate of the A/D process matters and is not the same as (or even related to) the 'bit rate' of a compressed file that you might then upload. Even the point on the digital level scale (ie from 0db=clipping downwards) you aim for with your average input levels matters, (e.g. 0vu analogue = -?db digital .. were you were thrashing the ass off the poor analogue electronics in the analogue side of your converter just to try and get 'more level'?) but I suppose few people are going to document that... :) (the usual 'level' rule of thumb to IGNORE in this case: - if you're using 16-bit converters/files then yes, you do need to thrash the electronics way out of their comfort zone and hope they're up to it, because you need the peaks to be as near full-scale 0 (0dbFS) as you can get - but if you're using 24bit converters/files then NOOOO don't thrash them... let the analogue electronics work in their sweetspot which is going to be avaerage signals about -18dbFS, peaks about -6dbFS) (altered rule of thumb for sketchily taped radio broadcasts: - the reason 16-bit studio folks needed to keep the levels high is that the noise 'floor' for 16bit digital (ie where the jumps between 1s and 0s start to sound lumpy/grainy/icy and 'dither' noise is applied to sooth it) is just a little too close for comfort if you're using analogue-style amounts of headroom (24bit digital has such a low noise-floor that even the self-noise of a single resistor is greater, so it's a non-issue, have all the headroom you fancy)... HOWEVER, for us with naff old tapes that digital noise floor is rendered totally irrelevant by the huge crashing waves /jet engine /pneumatic drill of noise floor of the tape itself which is an order of magnitude higher.. so even at 16bit, you can keep your levels mellow!) This isn't about the 'loudness war', by the way, just about the 'archiving' A/D conversion into digital-land - by all means normalize the levels up to -1db once it's in the computer if you feel the need, but please be aware you're asking waaay more of the consumer's digital-to-analogue converters that way (ie running them ragged), when their turning up their amp a little would achieve the same, maybe better result ;) I think it also allows the compression stage (e.g. to MP3) a little more freedom to make nicer results when the levels are not pinned.. As ever this might not matter much here where we're talking about patchy recording's made on yer dad's wonky grundig with the record level on max, but just flagging it up, that it's an important part of the 'rip', probably much more so than what software got used afterwards.. so if someone's keen to document things, they can include that. Rampant OCD is an ever-present danger down this particular rabbit hole.. oh gawd that turned into a big note.. sorry folks. take it with a pinch of salt... and a rennie. From egdirdle2013@... Tue Oct 22 12:11:21 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 22 Oct 2013 03:11:21 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: I agree. Not really a problem of course but you have to turn over a lot of stones sometimes. I think my collection that runs from 1978 - 1984 is complete but I have to check a lot of folders on a lot of pages to find out. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have to say that it would be good to have one consolidated archive. Mooo is great but sometimes if you're looking for a particular show you have to trawl through all the different users directories. One big archive with a standardised naming convention and folders per year would be brilliant. Or at least brilliant for those of us with OCD filing tendencies... I seem to remember that Rocker was keeping stuff on his iCloud or something at one point? On 21 October 2013 23:43, wrote: Show me yours and I'll show you mine? I have my shows, sessions etc. on 139 DVDs, which equates to approximately 625gb: a further 63gb have been downloaded but not archived yet. MInd you, that's including a large amount of BFBS material yet to be shared. Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Currently my Shows folder contains: 425Gb 5868 Files 78 Folders Which includes BFBS, BBCWS, Radio Eins etc, also some doubling up where there are several sources of a show, and some Andy Kershaw shows. And sessions 32.6Gb 6956 Files 1040 folders That’s where sessions have been made available separately from shows mainly on the DVD torrent but I know there are a lot more out there on blogs, and on martinw’s collection! I’ve kept flac copies and Audacity projects of all the files I’ve created so I’m probably pushing 1Tb in total. I know the Mooo doesn’t have unlimited space and includes lots of In Concerts, etc. But the Peel catalogue fits easily on an external Hard Disk and even were the entire back catalogue to become magically available it would fit onto a 3Tb disc in mp3 format. Don’t know how easy it is to turn a Hard Disk into a Mooo...... I’ve got everything backed up to a WD Live NAS so can access it all on remote PCs / iPods / phones PS3 etc. Stuart From: iaparkin@... mailto:iaparkin@... Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:13 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com http://copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com http://copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From rockerq@... Tue Oct 22 12:21:50 2013 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 06:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <8D09D27A7DCE2CA-1120-3430D@...> iCloud was ended by Apple a year or two ago. There are legal problems associated with hosting all this stuff - the owners of the music Peel played - ie the songwriters, record companies and publishers - could potentially see the use of their material as simply illegal file-sharing. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: egdirdle2013 To: peel Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 11:11 am Subject: RE: Re: Re: [peel] RE: Milestones I agree. Not really a problem of course but you have to turn over a lot of stones sometimes. I think my collection that runs from 1978 - 1984 is complete but I have to check a lot of folders on a lot of pages to find out. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have to say that it would be good to have one consolidated archive. Mooo is great but sometimes if you're looking for a particular show you have to trawl through all the different users directories. One big archive with a standardised naming convention and folders per year would be brilliant. Or at least brilliant for those of us with OCD filing tendencies... I seem to remember that Rocker was keeping stuff on his iCloud or something at one point? On 21 October 2013 23:43, wrote: Show me yours and I'll show you mine? I have my shows, sessions etc. on 139 DVDs, which equates to approximately 625gb: a further 63gb have been downloaded but not archived yet. MInd you, that's including a large amount of BFBS material yet to be shared. Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Currently my Shows folder contains: 425Gb 5868 Files 78 Folders Which includes BFBS, BBCWS, Radio Eins etc, also some doubling up where there are several sources of a show, and some Andy Kershaw shows. And sessions 32.6Gb 6956 Files 1040 folders That’s where sessions have been made available separately from shows mainly on the DVD torrent but I know there are a lot more out there on blogs, and on martinw’s collection! I’ve kept flac copies and Audacity projects of all the files I’ve created so I’m probably pushing 1Tb in total. I know the Mooo doesn’t have unlimited space and includes lots of In Concerts, etc. But the Peel catalogue fits easily on an external Hard Disk and even were the entire back catalogue to become magically available it would fit onto a 3Tb disc in mp3 format. Don’t know how easy it is to turn a Hard Disk into a Mooo...... I’ve got everything backed up to a WD Live NAS so can access it all on remote PCs / iPods / phones PS3 etc. Stuart From: iaparkin@... Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:13 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] RE: Milestones Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From johnpeel3904@... Tue Oct 22 13:01:11 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 22 Oct 2013 04:01:11 -0700 Subject: John Peel's First Podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: @webbiewebbster - The podcast from the BBC 6 Music website was called "John Peel's First Podcast", but as you rightly said, they abandon any more attempts to do more podcasts on him and it still remains the only podcast they have done of John Peel. Hence why on the Peel Wikia, I've called it as "John Peel's First Podcast", which it originally was called. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This is what prompted me to create the podcasts to fill in the gaps between the annual #keepingitpeel day event. Because it wasn't the first JP podcast - it was the only one they did. Like the John Peel Day, another thing the Beeb abandoned. I've got a version of that pod here: http://keepingitpeel.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/john-peel-podcasts/ http://keepingitpeel.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/john-peel-podcasts/ ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I've uploaded John Peel's First Podcast on the Mooo Server, which was a free download on 3rd January 2011 from the BBC 6 Music website, which features compilation of John Peel's comments and music from various years. The music unfortunately was shortened by BBC 6 Music, due to copyrights, but nonetheless it is interesting to hear. I've also added the tracklistings on the Peel Wikia site. From mutetourettes@... Tue Oct 22 13:10:51 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (mutetourettes) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:10:51 -0000 Subject: Milestones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is it time for another set of slippery ole torrents to appear? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Amazing stats indeed. Any idea as to what that translates to in terms of GBs or TBs of storage ? > > > The reason I ask is that I have not been downloading all of the files for quite some time and feel the OCD need to start getting up to date with downloads and am wondering if any thought has been given to making everything available at one time ? > > > Some archival sites have had hard drive vines (a hard drive is physically mailed to a person who copies and mails to the next who copies and mails ... ad infinitum) or have used private P2P methods such as copy.com. Hard drive vines have issues with drives going missing or getting damaged, etc. Not exactly sure on copy.com as I have only just started to use it, but Isigned up for a free 20Gb account and currently have 220+GB of The Smiths archive material synced to date - and still going strong. > > > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: > > 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. > 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. > Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. > > There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. > > Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. > 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 > > Stuart > From zomgqashiyo@... Tue Oct 22 20:00:14 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 22 Oct 2013 11:00:14 -0700 Subject: John said .. Message-ID: John said this one song from FIRE FACTS was on Xterminator label (4/97) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtdabxblFY I didn't find that Xterminator item. Who will? From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 22 21:01:13 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:01:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <1382468473.14409.YahooMailNeo@...> Second that emotion around stats - we have a long way to go but good to know we have come so far and more stuff is turning up all the time As for using audacity - I was (and still am) a technically incompetent but steve so.it.goes helped me via email to sort it. Are these whole shows or edited? And do you have anything else in your treasure trove? Mark ________________________________ From: "egdirdle2013@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013, 11:48 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] Milestones   Hi it's Karl of Karl's Tapes "fame" here. Had some trouble re-registering under different names etc. I have quite a bit from 1998. If Andrew can pop over to mine and teach me how to rip on Audacity I can do loads. Cheers Karl  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: That last stat should have read – 6 years have more than 50% of shows that are complete!   I think the late 90s dip may have been a combination of the tailing off of using cassettes as a recording medium (DATs CDr etc never really achieving the ubiquity or ease of recording), the beginning of listen again functionality reducing the need to keep shows, and was the period just before archiving shows on PVRs became easy.   Thanks for the shows Colin and Isector!   Stuart   From: colin bray Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:41 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Milestones     Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. ________________________________ To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones   According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks:   2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online.   There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created.   Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004   Stuart   From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 22 21:02:16 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:02:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> <1381933772.48353.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382468536.79154.YahooMailNeo@...> Interestingly I remember listening to him playing waltzing matilda in about 1978 (was there a war going on then? - probably) as I listened under the bed clothes in (you guessd it) my public school dormitory. It stayed with me forever even though I didn't know who it was until I went searching for that version and then bought it on CD about 4 years ago. ________________________________ From: David Quantick To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:29 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   I have been told that Peel didn't particularly like him and his attempts to inveigle himself. I could be wrong about this. But Peel was always prickly about any perceived usurpers and took a while to accept Steve Lamacq, etc. Peel is and was of course irreplaceable. On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 14:59, RobF wrote:   I wasn't being entirely serious. Kershaw's book was quite annoying in how far he went to try and discredit Peel. Pure jealousy I think. Particulalry as he nonchalantly paints his own childhood as wanting for nothing and being spoiled rotten On 16 October 2013 14:13, wrote: > >Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > >I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > >Rocker > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: RobF >To: peel >Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > >  >According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > >On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: "dunelm@..." >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 22 22:02:08 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:02:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> Message-ID: <1382472128.54779.YahooMailNeo@...> I agree that individuals should not be criticised for having been subjected to the barbarism of a private school education through no choice of their own BUT having been there myself and witnessed the antics of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford and the related attitudes (sense of entitlement and over-confidence) and behaviours  (puerile and emotionally stunted)  in the House of Commons (a misnomer if ever there was one) the point is that the networks and attitudes that are created in those institutions still create the ruling class in this country. Those who effectively use them to wield power and influence in the city, the law courts, the civil service, the media, academia etc should be criticised and thrown out. They rule us and every aspect of our lives not because they are better but because of an accident of birth (or the acquisition of wealth that purchases power through accessing the privileges of teh ruling class - eg the jet set junta!). That is fully worthy of criticism and is not inverted snobbery - it is just trying to make a system that is more open, more equal and more just. Interestingly when I observed the privileged oikery of the Bullingdon Club in the 80s  I said to myself well at least they are an anachronism they will never rule the country again - how wrong I was ... At my private (public being another misnomer) school listening to Peel and reading the NME in the punk (and post) era marked a few  (5 out of a population of 500) of us out as different, and questioning. But we were having a pretty miserable time of it for the rest of the time. Peel was a lifeline to a different world. I suspect many isolated private school boarders across the country appreciated him for that and he would have appreciated that as I think his school life particularly unpleasant too but like me he found refuge in music! Like Peel I have no contact with people from that time although I occasionally see them on telly in various positions of influence and they are still prats of the first order! Kick over the statues.  This topic has come quite a long way from Charlotte Church but hopefully others have enjoyed it as much as Mr Maudlin. ________________________________ From: "thebarguest@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:05 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   Agree ! It's absolutely incredible the amount of inverted snobbery in UK (inc UK media ) against people who had no choice about a public-school education ! I remember Liz Kershaw saying in her tribute to JP something like "even though he was a posh public schoolboy". Imagine the outcry if the media kept on labelling the likes of Rotten, Shaun Ryder etc as "council estate lowlifes" ! Like the old comedy sketch, everyone in UK seems to hate public-school folk, even the very-well-off middle-classes who were brought up "working class", like that nutty female Tory mp. Kershaw and his sis had very nice, middle-class upbringing by well-off teacher parents. Full marks to John Peel for overcoming/coping with all that hatred... ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: RobF To: peel Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >>From: "dunelm@..." >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 22 22:05:26 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:05:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] John said .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382472326.49168.YahooMailNeo@...> are you related to drugogo? ________________________________ From: "zomgqashiyo@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 19:00 Subject: [peel] John said ..   John said this one song from FIRE FACTS was on Xterminator label (4/97) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtdabxblFY I didn't find that Xterminator item. Who will? From colinbray@... Tue Oct 22 22:51:05 2013 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:51:05 +0000 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1382472128.54779.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> ,<1382472128.54779.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Just caught up on this whole thread - a fascinating read. Following up the point of John's relationship to feminism, in my opinion he had general and authentic sympathy with it. However, this was complicated by the fact he grew up in a pre-feminist age (with attendance at an all-boys school during the 1950s being a further complicating factor) The key is that punk fundamentally changed him and part of that change was a reconciliation of his previously unreconstructed attitude to women with his essential gentleness, hatred of injustice and exposure to punk/post punk ethics. Quite a journey and one that I think can be tracked via the shows we have available. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: M.Luetchford@... Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:02:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture I agree that individuals should not be criticised for having been subjected to the barbarism of a private school education through no choice of their own BUT having been there myself and witnessed the antics of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford and the related attitudes (sense of entitlement and over-confidence) and behaviours (puerile and emotionally stunted) in the House of Commons (a misnomer if ever there was one) the point is that the networks and attitudes that are created in those institutions still create the ruling class in this country. Those who effectively use them to wield power and influence in the city, the law courts, the civil service, the media, academia etc should be criticised and thrown out. They rule us and every aspect of our lives not because they are better but because of an accident of birth (or the acquisition of wealth that purchases power through accessing the privileges of teh ruling class - eg the jet set junta!). That is fully worthy of criticism and is not inverted snobbery - it is just trying to make a system that is more open, more equal and more just. Interestingly when I observed the privileged oikery of the Bullingdon Club in the 80s I said to myself well at least they are an anachronism they will never rule the country again - how wrong I was ... At my private (public being another misnomer) school listening to Peel and reading the NME in the punk (and post) era marked a few (5 out of a population of 500) of us out as different, and questioning. But we were having a pretty miserable time of it for the rest of the time. Peel was a lifeline to a different world. I suspect many isolated private school boarders across the country appreciated him for that and he would have appreciated that as I think his school life particularly unpleasant too but like me he found refuge in music! Like Peel I have no contact with people from that time although I occasionally see them on telly in various positions of influence and they are still prats of the first order! Kick over the statues. This topic has come quite a long way from Charlotte Church but hopefully others have enjoyed it as much as Mr Maudlin. From: "thebarguest@yahoo.co.uk" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:05 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture Agree ! It's absolutely incredible the amount of inverted snobbery in UK (inc UK media ) against people who had no choice about a public-school education ! I remember Liz Kershaw saying in her tribute to JP something like "even though he was a posh public schoolboy". Imagine the outcry if the media kept on labelling the likes of Rotten, Shaun Ryder etc as "council estate lowlifes" ! Like the old comedy sketch, everyone in UK seems to hate public-school folk, even the very-well-off middle-classes who were brought up "working class", like that nutty female Tory mp. Kershaw and his sis had very nice, middle-class upbringing by well-off teacher parents. Full marks to John Peel for overcoming/coping with all that hatred... ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: RobF To: peel Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. M From: "dunelm@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel From: Pete Conkerton To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture Here it is then, let battle commence... http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. Cheers aye, Pete From stuartb@... Tue Oct 22 23:40:54 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 22 Oct 2013 14:40:54 -0700 Subject: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lost track of which Mark I'm responding to here! Well for those who care mainly for the forum that the Sheila Chandra stuff is getting posted to all I know is that the leads from the bx300 into a Creative X-Fi xTreme Music http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/network-media-streamers/78843/creative-sound-blaster-x-fi-xtrememusic. What settings I don't know and three PC has had a windows upgrade since then.... From stuartb@... Wed Oct 23 00:56:46 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:56:46 +0100 Subject: [peel] John said .. In-Reply-To: <1382472326.49168.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382472326.49168.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: If you look at the webpost the answer is clear...... From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:05 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] John said .. are you related to drugogo? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "zomgqashiyo@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 19:00 Subject: [peel] John said .. John said this one song from FIRE FACTS was on Xterminator label (4/97) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtdabxblFY I didn't find that Xterminator item. Who will? From wewalkforonereason@... Wed Oct 23 09:27:21 2013 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:27:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: Re: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the infos. Too busy to put this together for dime for a couple more days. I'll post back when I have have done so. On 22 October 2013 22:40, wrote: > > > Lost track of which Mark I'm responding to here! Well for those who care > mainly for the forum that the Sheila Chandra stuff is getting posted to all > I know is that the leads from the bx300 into a Creative X-Fi xTreme Music > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/network-media-streamers/78843/creative-sound-blaster-x-fi-xtrememusic. > What settings I don't know and three PC has had a windows upgrade since > then.... > > > From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 23 10:50:15 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 23 Oct 2013 01:50:15 -0700 Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: <1382468473.14409.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> <1382468473.14409.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Andrew had the NO link highlight shows from 1981 - 1987 but he's returning them soon for me to complete ripping. I have edited shows WITH links from Jan 1998 up till the end ( about 50 ? ). Also about half a dozen from 1990 - 93. If Audacity and me work out. I'll do them fairly regularly. I have many best of compilations from Radio 1 night time Mark n Lard shows as well ? ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Second that emotion around stats - we have a long way to go but good to know we have come so far and more stuff is turning up all the time As for using audacity - I was (and still am) a technically incompetent but steve so.it.goes helped me via email to sort it. Are these whole shows or edited? And do you have anything else in your treasure trove? Mark From: "egdirdle2013@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013, 11:48 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] Milestones Hi it's Karl of Karl's Tapes "fame" here. Had some trouble re-registering under different names etc. I have quite a bit from 1998. If Andrew can pop over to mine and teach me how to rip on Audacity I can do loads. Cheers Karl ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: That last stat should have read – 6 years have more than 50% of shows that are complete! I think the late 90s dip may have been a combination of the tailing off of using cassettes as a recording medium (DATs CDr etc never really achieving the ubiquity or ease of recording), the beginning of listen again functionality reducing the need to keep shows, and was the period just before archiving shows on PVRs became easy. Thanks for the shows Colin and Isector! Stuart From: colin bray mailto:colinbray@... Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:41 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Milestones Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks: 2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online. There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created. Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 Stuart From stuartb@... Wed Oct 23 22:14:35 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:14:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] RE: Re: More Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E2AF53F00B7467F99BB3B324F53EE4A@StuartPC> Probably default 44.1kHz sampling with 32-bit float... From: Alasdair Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:27 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] RE: Re: More Kershaw Thanks for the infos. Too busy to put this together for dime for a couple more days. I'll post back when I have have done so. On 22 October 2013 22:40, wrote: Lost track of which Mark I'm responding to here! Well for those who care mainly for the forum that the Sheila Chandra stuff is getting posted to all I know is that the leads from the bx300 into a Creative X-Fi xTreme Music http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/network-media-streamers/78843/creative-sound-blaster-x-fi-xtrememusic. What settings I don't know and three PC has had a windows upgrade since then.... From M.Luetchford@... Thu Oct 24 00:46:33 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:46:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <2F09E98C86644DABB1C35ED56596DBA3@StuartWin7PC> <103022C7DEFC499A88E5875E7A31480C@StuartWin7PC> <1382468473.14409.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382568393.32600.YahooMailNeo@...> more turning up all the time - thnx ________________________________ From: "egdirdle2013@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 9:50 Subject: RE: Re: Re: [peel] Milestones   Andrew had the NO link highlight shows from 1981 - 1987 but he's returning them soon for me to complete ripping. I have edited shows WITH links from Jan 1998 up till the end ( about 50 ? ).  Also about half a dozen from 1990 - 93. If Audacity and me work out. I'll do them fairly regularly. I have many best of compilations from Radio 1 night time Mark n Lard shows as well ? ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Second that emotion around stats - we have a long way to go but good to know we have come so far and more stuff is turning up all the time As for using audacity - I was (and still am) a technically incompetent but steve so.it.goes helped me via email to sort it. Are these whole shows or edited? And do you have anything else in your treasure trove? Mark ________________________________ From: "egdirdle2013@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013, 11:48 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] Milestones   Hi it's Karl of Karl's Tapes "fame" here. Had some trouble re-registering under different names etc. I have quite a bit from 1998. If Andrew can pop over to mine and teach me how to rip on Audacity I can do loads. Cheers Karl  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: That last stat should have read – 6 years have more than 50% of shows that are complete!   I think the late 90s dip may have been a combination of the tailing off of using cassettes as a recording medium (DATs CDr etc never really achieving the ubiquity or ease of recording), the beginning of listen again functionality reducing the need to keep shows, and was the period just before archiving shows on PVRs became easy.   Thanks for the shows Colin and Isector!   Stuart   From: colin bray Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:41 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Milestones     Some amazing stats there Stuart. Thanks for taking the effort to collate them. Don't know what was going on in 1998 but I only have 10 as-yet-unshared tapes from that year myself. Colin. ________________________________ To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:43:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Milestones   According to my List Of Shows page on the wiki we’ve passed a few important milestones in the availability of Radio 1 shows in recent weeks:   2/5ths of all Peel shows have at least some content recorded and available. 1 out of 5 shows have been preserved in their entirety. Just over 1/3 of all Radio 1 output has been made available online.   There were just 6 minutes less than 666,666 minutes of Peel Radio One programming created.   Other interesting facts: 1998 is one of the worst years for show availability, you need to go back to 1977 for a leaner year. 6 years have more than 50% show availability, 1992, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004   Stuart   From M.Luetchford@... Thu Oct 24 00:56:35 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:56:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: References: <1381794037.39995.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381864617.31012.YahooMailNeo@...> <1381912016.77795.YahooMailNeo@...> <8D0988899F1C793-1DA0-BC64@...> ,<1382472128.54779.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382568995.51838.YahooMailNeo@...> Colin I think you've about nailed it there. Mark ________________________________ From: colin bray To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 21:51 Subject: RE: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   Just caught up on this whole thread - a fascinating read. Following up the point of John's relationship to feminism, in my opinion he had general and authentic sympathy with it. However, this was complicated by the fact he grew up in a pre-feminist age (with attendance at an all-boys school during the 1950s being a further complicating factor) The key is that punk fundamentally changed him and part of that change was a reconciliation of his previously unreconstructed attitude to women with his essential gentleness, hatred of injustice and exposure to punk/post punk ethics. Quite a journey and one that I think can be tracked via the shows we have available. Colin. ________________________________ To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: M.Luetchford@... Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:02:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   I agree that individuals should not be criticised for having been subjected to the barbarism of a private school education through no choice of their own BUT having been there myself and witnessed the antics of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford and the related attitudes (sense of entitlement and over-confidence) and behaviours  (puerile and emotionally stunted)  in the House of Commons (a misnomer if ever there was one) the point is that the networks and attitudes that are created in those institutions still create the ruling class in this country. Those who effectively use them to wield power and influence in the city, the law courts, the civil service, the media, academia etc should be criticised and thrown out. They rule us and every aspect of our lives not because they are better but because of an accident of birth (or the acquisition of wealth that purchases power through accessing the privileges of teh ruling class - eg the jet set junta!). That is fully worthy of criticism and is not inverted snobbery - it is just trying to make a system that is more open, more equal and more just. Interestingly when I observed the privileged oikery of the Bullingdon Club in the 80s  I said to myself well at least they are an anachronism they will never rule the country again - how wrong I was ... At my private (public being another misnomer) school listening to Peel and reading the NME in the punk (and post) era marked a few  (5 out of a population of 500) of us out as different, and questioning. But we were having a pretty miserable time of it for the rest of the time. Peel was a lifeline to a different world. I suspect many isolated private school boarders across the country appreciated him for that and he would have appreciated that as I think his school life particularly unpleasant too but like me he found refuge in music! Like Peel I have no contact with people from that time although I occasionally see them on telly in various positions of influence and they are still prats of the first order! Kick over the statues.  This topic has come quite a long way from Charlotte Church but hopefully others have enjoyed it as much as Mr Maudlin. ________________________________ From: "thebarguest@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:05 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   Agree ! It's absolutely incredible the amount of inverted snobbery in UK (inc UK media ) against people who had no choice about a public-school education ! I remember Liz Kershaw saying in her tribute to JP something like "even though he was a posh public schoolboy". Imagine the outcry if the media kept on labelling the likes of Rotten, Shaun Ryder etc as "council estate lowlifes" ! Like the old comedy sketch, everyone in UK seems to hate public-school folk, even the very-well-off middle-classes who were brought up "working class", like that nutty female Tory mp. Kershaw and his sis had very nice, middle-class upbringing by well-off teacher parents. Full marks to John Peel for overcoming/coping with all that hatred... ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. Rocker -----Original Message----- From: RobF To: peel Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture   According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > >> >> >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house >> >> >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? >> >> >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. >> >> >>M >> >> >>From: "dunelm@..." >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>  >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that some record companies – get this – exploit the sexuality of female recording artists in order to shift units. >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel >> >> >>From: Pete Conkerton >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture >> >> >> >>  >>Here it is then, let battle commence... >>  >>  >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl >>  >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. >>  >>Cheers aye, Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From stuartb@... Thu Oct 24 01:38:52 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 23 Oct 2013 16:38:52 -0700 Subject: Riches Return Message-ID: Back at my ripping station tonight, so here is the complete show from 4th December 1989 http://4th December 1989. Good quality FM stereo rip, unknown source deck, TDK D90, Nak BX-300, Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music, Audacity 44.1kHz 32-bit float sampling, to 320kpbs Lame 3.99 encoded mp3. (Have I missed anything!). Azimuth on record seemed to have drifted a lot from the start of side 1 to mid tape so had to be tracked by ear with a tracking flat head screwdriver..... John makes quite a few comments on the Ian McCulloch session, none of them would one say were exactly complimentary..... Thanks again to Rich, and Branko for the space. Stuart From mutetourettes@... Thu Oct 24 13:05:33 2013 From: mutetourettes@... (Mark) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:05:33 +0100 Subject: Riches Return Message-ID: heyhey! I'd suggest that the "32bit-float" sample depth is perhaps what audacity is using for calculation or file storage, but *not* what was used for conversion. The converter itself (a chip on your creative X-fi card) definitely doesn't run at that bit depth (none do - like i said even 24bits has higher signal-to-noise ratio than ANY analogue electronics can manage).. I think it's capable of decent 24bit A/D conversion (looks like it uses the Wolfson WM8775 chip which can go up to 24bits and up to 96khz) so you'd have to find out what it was set to do in your driver settings... (16 bit or 24bit) The main thing to watch for with creative cards is I know it still by default does their strange sample-rate-conversion (ie it runs natively at 48khz and then smushes it around to present a 44.1khz stream to audacity) that creative always used - it does leave artifacts in the sound, even if they claim it's 'transparent'. It can be disabled with that card I believe .... by chosing (I quote from wikipedia): "Audio Creation mode" with "bit-matched playback" option, the X-Fi can work with real 44,100 Hz sample rate without any kind of resampling or other signal processing. I believe "audio creation mode" would allow other sample rates too.. So that would mean you were sure when you quote 44.1khz that it was actually that and not creative's silly 48khz-converted-to-44.1 madness. also I'd turn off whatever other 'crystalizer','3D' or other DSP-based nonsense they'd have you believe was ace... sorry if this technical babble seems relentless.. as usual I prescribe a rennie and a pinch of salt. And by all means ignore this all because the main thing is to get the tapes heard, everything else is secondary! From zomgqashiyo@... Thu Oct 24 18:34:32 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 24 Oct 2013 09:34:32 -0700 Subject: Let's discuss Message-ID: My girfriend's just come back home from CRETE and I've gotta to take some SPEED http://pastebin.com/H0MBYmEN From ford.alan@... Thu Oct 24 19:37:53 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:37:53 +0100 Subject: [peel] Let's discuss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: and my HOVERCRAFT is full of EELS On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM, wrote: > ** > > > My girfriend's just come back home from CRETE > and I've gotta to take some SPEED > > http://pastebin.com/H0MBYmEN > > From stuartb@... Thu Oct 24 22:06:59 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 24 Oct 2013 13:06:59 -0700 Subject: Riches Return In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had Audio Creation Mode set on my XP install, can't remember about bit-matching. Noticed that my new WIn7 install had reverted to Game Mode so perhaps the last few tapes were set to that. Also, in the driver settings, it said that the Shared Mode default settings are 24-bit 48kHz. Then just a bit down, there is a section called Exclusive Mode, and there is a tick box for Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device. And another one, Give exclusive mode applications priority. Both ticked Does that mean that Audacity was taking control of this and change the A/D sampling to whatever it is set to? I've now ticked Bitmatching on record and playback, re-enabled bitmatching, changed Audacity to sample at 48kHz to match the X-Fi shared mode setting. Don't know if that will make a great deal of difference bearing in mind I will only ever be converting from tapes to 320kbps mp3 or flac. The following from the wiki page suggests that 48 to 44.1 isn't as bad as it would have been on my older Audigy 4. A big improvement in the X-Fi DSP over the previous Audigy design, is the complete overhaul of the resampling engine on the card. The previous Audigy cards had their DSPs locked at 48 kHz/16-bit, meaning any content that didn't match this format had to be resampled on the card in hardware, which resulted in serious intermodulation distortion. For the X-Fi, Creative completely rewrote the resampling engine and dedicated more than half of the power of the DSP to the process, resulting in a very clean resample.[citation needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed] Furthermore, in "Audio Creation mode" with "bit-matched playback" option, the X-Fi can work with real 44,100 Hz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44,100_Hz sample rate without any kind of resampling or other signal processing.[citation needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed] The audio processor on X-Fi was the most powerful at its time of release, offering an extremely robust sample rate conversion (SRC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_rate_conversion) engine in addition to enhanced internal sound channel routing options and greater 3D audio enhancement capabilities. A significant portion of the audio processing unit was devoted to this resampling engine. The SRC engine was far more capable than previous Creative sound card offerings, a limitation that had been a major thorn in Creative's side. Most digital audio is sampled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing) at 44.1 kHz, a standard no doubt related to CD-DA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-DA, while sound cards were often designed to process audio at 48 kHz. So, the 44.1 kHz audio must be resampled to 48 kHz (Creative's previous cards' DSPs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor operated at 48 kHz) for the audio DSP to be able to process and affect it. A poor resampling implementation introduces artifacts into the audio which can be heard, and measured as higher intermodulation distortion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation_distortion, within higher frequencies (generally 16 kHz and up).[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Fi_(audio_chip)#cite_note-1 X-Fi's resampling engine produces a near-lossless-quality result, far exceeding any known audio card DSP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor available at the time of release. This functionality is used not only for simple audio playback, but for several other features of the card such as the "Crystalizer", a technology that claims to improve the clarity of digital music through digital analysis (supported by all X-Fi models, including the Xtreme Audio and X-Mod). ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: heyhey! I'd suggest that the "32bit-float" sample depth is perhaps what audacity is using for calculation or file storage, but *not* what was used for conversion. The converter itself (a chip on your creative X-fi card) definitely doesn't run at that bit depth (none do - like i said even 24bits has higher signal-to-noise ratio than ANY analogue electronics can manage).. I think it's capable of decent 24bit A/D conversion (looks like it uses the Wolfson WM8775 chip which can go up to 24bits and up to 96khz) so you'd have to find out what it was set to do in your driver settings... (16 bit or 24bit) The main thing to watch for with creative cards is I know it still by default does their strange sample-rate-conversion (ie it runs natively at 48khz and then smushes it around to present a 44.1khz stream to audacity) that creative always used - it does leave artifacts in the sound, even if they claim it's 'transparent'. It can be disabled with that card I believe .... by chosing (I quote from wikipedia): "Audio Creation mode" with "bit-matched playback" option, the X-Fi can work with real 44,100 Hz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44,100_Hz sample rate without any kind of resampling or other signal processing. I believe "audio creation mode" would allow other sample rates too.. So that would mean you were sure when you quote 44.1khz that it was actually that and not creative's silly 48khz-converted-to-44.1 madness. also I'd turn off whatever other 'crystalizer','3D' or other DSP-based nonsense they'd have you believe was ace... sorry if this technical babble seems relentless.. as usual I prescribe a rennie and a pinch of salt. And by all means ignore this all because the main thing is to get the tapes heard, everything else is secondary! From markc63@... Thu Oct 24 22:25:15 2013 From: markc63@... (mr_maudlin) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:25:15 -0000 Subject: The John Peel lecture In-Reply-To: <1382568995.51838.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Yep I'd agree with that. Mark C --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > Colin > > I think you've about nailed it there. > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > From: colin bray > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 21:51 > Subject: RE: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > Just caught up on this whole thread - a fascinating read. > > Following up the point of John's relationship to feminism, in my opinion he had general and authentic sympathy with it. However, this was complicated by the fact he grew up in a pre-feminist age (with attendance at an all-boys school during the 1950s being a further complicating factor) > > The key is that punk fundamentally changed him and part of that change was a reconciliation of his previously unreconstructed attitude to women with his essential gentleness, hatred of injustice and exposure to punk/post punk ethics. > > Quite a journey and one that I think can be tracked via the shows we have available. > > Colin. > > > ________________________________ > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > From: M.Luetchford@... > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:02:08 +0100 > Subject: Re: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > >   > I agree that individuals should not be criticised for having been subjected to the barbarism of a private school education through no choice of their own BUT having been there myself and witnessed the antics of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford and the related attitudes (sense of entitlement and over-confidence) and behaviours  (puerile and emotionally stunted)  in the House of Commons (a misnomer if ever there was one) the point is that the networks and attitudes that are created in those institutions still create the ruling class in this country. Those who effectively use them to wield power and influence in the city, the law courts, the civil service, the media, academia etc should be criticised and thrown out. They rule us and every aspect of our lives not because they are better but because of an accident of birth (or the acquisition of wealth that purchases power through accessing the privileges of teh ruling class - eg the jet set junta!). That is > fully worthy of criticism and is not inverted snobbery - it is just trying to make a system that is more open, more equal and more just. Interestingly when I observed the privileged oikery of the Bullingdon Club in the 80s  I said to myself well at least they are an anachronism they will never rule the country again - how wrong I was ... > > At my private (public being another misnomer) school listening to Peel and reading the NME in the punk (and post) era marked a few  (5 out of a population of 500) of us out as different, and questioning. But we were having a pretty miserable time of it for the rest of the time. Peel was a lifeline to a different world. I suspect many isolated private school boarders across the country appreciated him for that and he would have appreciated that as I think his school life particularly unpleasant too but like me he found refuge in music! Like Peel I have no contact with people from that time although I occasionally see them on telly in various positions of influence and they are still prats of the first order! > > Kick over the statues.  > > This topic has come quite a long way from Charlotte Church but hopefully others have enjoyed it as much as Mr Maudlin. > > ________________________________ > From: "thebarguest@..." > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:05 > Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > > >   > Agree ! It's absolutely incredible the amount of inverted snobbery in UK (inc UK media ) against people who had no choice about a public-school education ! I remember Liz Kershaw saying in her tribute to JP something like "even though he was a posh public schoolboy". Imagine the outcry if the media kept on labelling the likes of Rotten, Shaun Ryder etc as "council estate lowlifes" ! Like the old comedy sketch, everyone in UK seems to hate public-school folk, even the very-well-off middle-classes who were brought up "working class", like that nutty female Tory mp. Kershaw and his sis had very nice, middle-class upbringing by well-off teacher parents. Full marks to John Peel for overcoming/coping with all that hatred... > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > Just because he was a public school boy doesn't mean he didn't hold genuine and heartfelt beliefs, surely? He was certainly a pacifist, no doubt from his hippy days, but also I think a lot of his Home Truths output showed him to be a quite genuine soft-left inclined liberal. > > I still remember how, at the outbreak of the first gulf war in August 1990, when all BBC broadcasters had been given instructions not to broadcast anything war-related, and even Massive Attack had had to shorten their name to Massive to get airplay, he ended his show with the perfect, haunting, fervently anti-war accapella version of "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by June Tabor - a deathbed song of how a previously carefree Australian hobo has his legs blown off by a Turkish shell at Gallipolli in the first world war - "I'll go waltzin' Matilda no more". Still has me in tears whenever I hear it - mind you, I'm also an ex-Public schoolboy. > > Rocker > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RobF > To: peel > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 11:11 am > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > > >   > According to Andy Kershaw it was all an act. He was a public school boy working in the BBC. Like all the others (including Andy Kershaw) > > > > > > > > > On 16 October 2013 09:26, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>Suppose you are right - it was a bit trite and I suspect she was selected for media effect and an attempt to build on the Sinead/Miley/Annie Lennox debate. I found this more interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ccz14 Being a dad of teenage boy and girls and seeing what they continue to put up with 40 years after feminism's strongest flowering any further discussion/action on such subjects and challenging of the status quo is welcome in my house > >> > >> > >>Still not convinced about link to Peel - Mary Ann looked for a link in the producers in his later career being women. But as with most of his personal politics I don't remember him vocalising his views on feminism much - occasionally he expressed a politically strong sentiment - I can remember one on the miners strike when he played The Enemy Within and a few gentle comments about Thatcherism when he played the Redskins. Also a few time she criticised the glamorisation of violence and over sexualisation of gangster rap/dancehall stylee. And as I said before he did champion many women led bands. You just got a sense of his general leftism - but maybe I am projecting my own views? > >> > >> > >>A more interesting subject might be why we are all men (I think) - and why his devoted fans tended to be of the male persuasion ... is it something to do with the male brain?! In traditional folk music around the world the musicians are often men and the vocalists women. Does that reflect male domination of traditional society or something else? Discuss. > >> > >> > >>M > >> > >> > >>From: "dunelm@" > >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 22:26 > >>Subject: [peel] RE: The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >>  > >>For those who missed it, Ms Church exclusively revealed that > some record companies â€" get this â€" exploit the sexuality of female recording > artists in order to shift units. > >>Thanks for the heads up, Charlotte. > >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> > >> > >>Heard a clip on R4 Today programme and liked what I heard ... seemed to speak sense to me about the sexualisation of the music industry to make big bucks for corporations - even liked the blaming of Madonna for the phenomena. It was worth it to hear the phrase "get your tits out for the boys" at 7.30ish in the morning. will listen to see if there was a link to Peel > >> > >> > >>From: Pete Conkerton > >>To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" > >>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 0:40 > >>Subject: [peel] The John Peel lecture > >> > >> > >> > >>  > >>Here it is then, let battle commence... > >>  > >>  > >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/jpl > >>  > >>I thought some interesting points were made, though I didn't agree with all of it. The best bit for me, though, is the lovely tribute from Mary Anne Hobbs right at the beginning. > >>  > >>Cheers aye, Pete > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 25 14:15:40 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:15:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: session repeated twice times Message-ID: <1382703340.82451.YahooMailNeo@...> How unusual is this? UB40s second session was repeated twice. first broadcast 25 Jan 1982, repeated 11 Feb 1982 and again on 27 April. Interesting that he appreciated them as much as me - often accused of being cod reggae - a view I have never shared. We also have him on tape saying this on 11 feb from a mix tape of mine: JP: 'Hello hewers of wood and drawers of water, I have been scouring the streets of old London town all day looking for more Belgian records to play you but all my efforts have proved fruitless so instead we have sessions by Play Dead and UB40 – the latter including a rather pointed piece about me."  http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/11_February_1982 show which we now have on the Karl Tape. Its a dub called Prince Baldhead Meets Gymslip And The Schoolgirls At The Chemist - intro states  "Right about now this  is to all the bad djs down at radio 1 in a rub a dub style - this one is for the man called John Peel, wheeler dealer, mash it"  Sort of adds to our debate about Peel and Feminism that he thought it was a pointed piece about him ... I have wanted to hear this since 1982 so thank you "Karl" that is why it is worth sharing even edited tapes. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_04_-_April_1982 It appears that even the ub40 forum didn't know of its existence ... so i've posted there. Nothing from the first play has arrived at our shows yet... From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 25 16:46:35 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:46:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382712395.66909.YahooMailNeo@...> all identified and updated - its a Wild Swans (of revolutionary spirit fame) session and there is also a belle stars session on there too. Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received Mark ________________________________ From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04   Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. From stuartb@... Fri Oct 25 21:40:40 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:40:40 +0100 Subject: [peel] session repeated twice times In-Reply-To: <1382703340.82451.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382703340.82451.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <336986C9B0DB4D55888248D46F72198A@StuartPC> 17th August 1976 also adds to that debate...... From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:15 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] session repeated twice times How unusual is this? UB40s second session was repeated twice. first broadcast 25 Jan 1982, repeated 11 Feb 1982 and again on 27 April. Interesting that he appreciated them as much as me - often accused of being cod reggae - a view I have never shared. We also have him on tape saying this on 11 feb from a mix tape of mine: JP: 'Hello hewers of wood and drawers of water, I have been scouring the streets of old London town all day looking for more Belgian records to play you but all my efforts have proved fruitless so instead we have sessions by Play Dead and UB40 – the latter including a rather pointed piece about me." http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/11_February_1982 show which we now have on the Karl Tape. Its a dub called Prince Baldhead Meets Gymslip And The Schoolgirls At The Chemist - intro states "Right about now this is to all the bad djs down at radio 1 in a rub a dub style - this one is for the man called John Peel, wheeler dealer, mash it" Sort of adds to our debate about Peel and Feminism that he thought it was a pointed piece about him ... I have wanted to hear this since 1982 so thank you "Karl" that is why it is worth sharing even edited tapes. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_04_-_April_1982 It appears that even the ub40 forum didn't know of its existence ... so i've posted there. Nothing from the first play has arrived at our shows yet... From thebarguest@... Fri Oct 25 22:41:13 2013 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest@...) Date: 25 Oct 2013 13:41:13 -0700 Subject: [peel] Let's discuss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe you've got a hole in the hull ? ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: and my HOVERCRAFT is full of EELS On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 5:34 PM, wrote: My girfriend's just come back home from CRETE and I've gotta to take some SPEED http://pastebin.com/H0MBYmEN http://pastebin.com/H0MBYmEN From M.Luetchford@... Fri Oct 25 23:29:19 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:29:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382736559.97862.YahooMailNeo@...> identified all of May 82 now. The mystery session was a jensen king trigger - a band I only knew from the The River - It almost defeated me as it appears to have been a repeat - but the lovely fruitier than thou who is educated enough to quote Terry and Gerry on the front page of the blog eventually gave the game away.  I think he is here to but you all use so many aliases that I lose track - he's probably called Mark. He has a great selection of sessions on there. http://fruitierthanthou.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/king-trigger-kid-jensen-session-4th.html King trigger have had a retrospective CD issued too: http://www.discogs.com/King-Trigger-Screaming/release/3435731 ________________________________ From: "stuartb@brooks22.plus.com" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!   Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From M.Luetchford@... Sat Oct 26 01:23:37 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 00:23:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> June 1982 - tried my best but still two unidentified: one a track by Clock DVA - a fine band but I don't have enough knowledge to identify. The other is a mystery in that is listed as So Few but no band of that name seems to exist. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 I'm off to bed - others may wish to have a go ... mark ________________________________ From: "stuartb@brooks22.plus.com" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!   Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From stuartb@... Sat Oct 26 02:05:43 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 01:05:43 +0100 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Good work on these Mark (4), also by our Stealth Bomber 3904, who either has a better Shazam than me or a great memory! I’d forgotten until recently that In Session Tonight documented all of those KJ sessions so you might get the Pauline black answers there, I’m away from home so can’t access it right now. Should have known Clock DVA, I bought Advantage based on session trax. Enjoying the challenge set by these Karl Tapes especially the KJ shows, despite his weakness for Kid Creole, Culture Club and Haysi Fantaysee (he must have seen the latent DJs in the latter 2) there have definitely been some interesting obscurities and great sessions such as Screen 3 which to me seems stronger than their Peel sessions. From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:23 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! June 1982 - tried my best but still two unidentified: one a track by Clock DVA - a fine band but I don't have enough knowledge to identify. The other is a mystery in that is listed as So Few but no band of that name seems to exist. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 I'm off to bed - others may wish to have a go ... mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Oct 26 02:12:51 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 25 Oct 2013 17:12:51 -0700 Subject: Karl's Tape 04 In-Reply-To: <1382712395.66909.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382712395.66909.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: >>Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received. Hi Mark, I've re-posted it on TK. Enjoy!!! http://festive50.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/going-down-to-liverpool/ http://festive50.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/going-down-to-liverpool/ Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: all identified and updated - its a Wild Swans (of revolutionary spirit fame) session and there is also a belle stars session on there too. Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received Mark From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04 Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_04_-_April_1982#Tracklisting now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. From rockerq@... Sat Oct 26 12:10:24 2013 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 06:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [peel] RE: Karl's Tape 04 In-Reply-To: References: <1382712395.66909.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <8D0A04AB85D1351-15C8-A138@...> The Wild Swans current lineup is for my money easily as good as the 80s stuff - Been playing their newer stuff on my show since the magnificent English Electric single came out 4 years ago. Here's their recent album, about to be reissued in deluxe format: http://www.occultation.co.uk/Occultation_Space/Releases/DIONE7DB012/coldestwinter_ma.html Rocker -----Original Message----- From: so_it_goes_2512 To: peel Sent: Sat, Oct 26, 2013 1:13 am Subject: [peel] RE: Karl's Tape 04 >>Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received. Hi Mark, I've re-posted it on TK. Enjoy!!! http://festive50.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/going-down-to-liverpool/ Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: all identified and updated - its a Wild Swans (of revolutionary spirit fame) session and there is also a belle stars session on there too. Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received Mark From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04 Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. From stuartb@... Sat Oct 26 17:58:42 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 26 Oct 2013 08:58:42 -0700 Subject: Couple more new 1989 shows Message-ID: 69 minutes of 13th December 1989 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/13_December_1989 featuring More Fiends in session. And the complete 19 December 1989 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/19_December_1989 (minus tape flip) show with the Orb's debut session, which attracted a number of comments from listeners even before the show was finished.... Both from the Rich stable of course. Bitmatched, so hopefully the FM interference can be captured more faithfully... Stuart From M.Luetchford@... Sat Oct 26 20:17:33 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:17:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: References: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382811453.69200.YahooMailNeo@...> Agree - there is some really good stuff appearing on KJ shows that I had forgotten - eg King Trigger  Still searching for any trace of a band called So Few for Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 And a band called A Team from peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_17_-_April_May_1983 Although it annoys the completist in me that we can't identify them  I do like the fact that these are great tracks and yet elusive - shows how much great music there was around that even the internet doesn't have the power to unearth I even enjoyed hearing John Wayne Goes Big Leggy again - I am sure I remember Peel playing it too but i may be wrong as the only evidence on wiki of any association with him is introducing them on totp! Maybe i should retreat back in to my early 80's dreamworld! ________________________________ From: Stuart Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!   Good work on these Mark (4), also by our Stealth Bomber 3904, who either has a better Shazam than me or a great memory!   I’d forgotten until recently that In Session Tonight documented all of those KJ sessions so you might get the Pauline black answers there, I’m away from home so can’t access it right now.   Should have known Clock DVA, I bought Advantage based on session trax.   Enjoying the challenge set by these Karl Tapes especially the KJ shows, despite his weakness for Kid Creole, Culture Club and Haysi Fantaysee (he must have seen the latent DJs in the latter 2) there have definitely been some interesting obscurities and great sessions such as Screen 3 which to me seems stronger than their Peel sessions.   From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:23 AM To: peel@...m Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!     June 1982 - tried my best but still two unidentified: one a track by Clock DVA - a fine band but I don't have enough knowledge to identify. The other is a mystery in that is listed as So Few but no band of that name seems to exist. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 I'm off to bed - others may wish to have a go ... mark   ________________________________ From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!     Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From ford.alan@... Sat Oct 26 22:06:52 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:06:52 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: > In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. > I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which > implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), > Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock > Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B > http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 > > Cheers > > Alan > > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented >> in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th >> November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he >> recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished >> copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday >> 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! >> >> DM >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mark >> *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 >> *Subject:* [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd >> already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did >> eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? >> >> >> >> > > From M.Luetchford@... Sat Oct 26 22:16:15 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:16:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> can you rip side B too? ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. >I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), >Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B >http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 > >Cheers > >Alan > > > > > > > >On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > > >>  >>These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! >> >>DM >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Mark >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 >>Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> >>  >>also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? >> >> > From stuartb@... Sun Oct 27 01:55:31 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 26 Oct 2013 16:55:31 -0700 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: <1382811453.69200.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382811453.69200.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: I've even tried looking for bands that sound like So Few eg sofu Sew Phew to no avail... after all I had Slug Juice on one of my mixtapes down as by Morphine for 24 years until I came across a session of theirs on a Rich Tape to find out they were actually More Fiends ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Agree - there is some really good stuff appearing on KJ shows that I had forgotten - eg King Trigger Still searching for any trace of a band called So Few for Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_06_-_June_1982 And a band called A Team from peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_17_-_April_May_1983 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_17_-_April_May_1983 Although it annoys the completist in me that we can't identify them I do like the fact that these are great tracks and yet elusive - shows how much great music there was around that even the internet doesn't have the power to unearth I even enjoyed hearing John Wayne Goes Big Leggy again - I am sure I remember Peel playing it too but i may be wrong as the only evidence on wiki of any association with him is introducing them on totp! Maybe i should retreat back in to my early 80's dreamworld! From: Stuart Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! Good work on these Mark (4), also by our Stealth Bomber 3904, who either has a better Shazam than me or a great memory! I’d forgotten until recently that In Session Tonight documented all of those KJ sessions so you might get the Pauline black answers there, I’m away from home so can’t access it right now. Should have known Clock DVA, I bought Advantage based on session trax. Enjoying the challenge set by these Karl Tapes especially the KJ shows, despite his weakness for Kid Creole, Culture Club and Haysi Fantaysee (he must have seen the latent DJs in the latter 2) there have definitely been some interesting obscurities and great sessions such as Screen 3 which to me seems stronger than their Peel sessions. From: MARK LUETCHFORD mailto:M.Luetchford@... Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:23 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! June 1982 - tried my best but still two unidentified: one a track by Clock DVA - a fine band but I don't have enough knowledge to identify. The other is a mystery in that is listed as So Few but no band of that name seems to exist. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_06_-_June_1982 I'm off to bed - others may wish to have a go ... mark From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_05_-_May_1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/22_June_1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From johnpeel3904@... Sun Oct 27 01:58:46 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 26 Oct 2013 16:58:46 -0700 Subject: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it.. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: can you rip side B too? From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From stuartb@... Sun Oct 27 02:06:20 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 26 Oct 2013 17:06:20 -0700 Subject: 20 December 1989 Message-ID: Wasn't going to bother ripping this one as the show has been shared complete, but the SQ is pretty good and it's a Festive 50 show so here http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/20_December_1989 is another version courtesy of Rich. From johnpeel3904@... Sun Oct 27 02:38:34 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 26 Oct 2013 17:38:34 -0700 Subject: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part 2 ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it.. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: can you rip side B too? From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Oct 27 08:58:54 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 27 Oct 2013 00:58:54 -0700 Subject: Spring Forward, Fall Back Message-ID: Hi gang Hope you' ve enjoyed your extra hour in bed. Isector and I would like to share the following: 02 December 1994 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/02_December_1994. No sessions, but over two hours of records and Hole live at the Reading Festival. 01 April 1995 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/01_April_1995 (Echobelly, Luscious Jackson), One side of a C90 from near the beginning of the show. Both shows are new to the catalogue: many thanks to our taper. Best wishes Steve (TK) From egdirdle2013@... Sun Oct 27 11:13:37 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 27 Oct 2013 03:13:37 -0700 Subject: Karl and his tapes , upload update Message-ID: Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 27 11:18:42 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1382869122.86936.YahooMailNeo@...> thank you and welcome to the ripping world - all of those out there who also may wish to dip your toes and help out - its easier than you think ________________________________ From: "egdirdle2013@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 10:13 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update   Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 27 11:25:31 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:25:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: References: <1382743417.53417.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382811453.69200.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382869531.36672.YahooMailNeo@...> I tried the same ... with the A Team too - which is a pretty popular moniker. I had "enemy within" as Paul Hardcastle for many years - well until just now when I got all excited by Karl's recent tape and bothered to check it on discogs.  BTW can't find another partially listed show to finish off - not good at template stuff so happier filling in the difficult blanks... mark ________________________________ From: "stuartb@....com" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!   I've even tried looking for bands that sound like So Few eg sofu Sew Phew to no avail... after all I had Slug Juice on one of my mixtapes down as by Morphine for 24 years until I came across a session of theirs on a Rich Tape to find out they were actually More Fiends ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Agree - there is some really good stuff appearing on KJ shows that I had forgotten - eg King Trigger  Still searching for any trace of a band called So Few for Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 And a band called A Team from peel.wikia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Tape_17_-_April_May_1983 Although it annoys the completist in me that we can't identify them  I do like the fact that these are great tracks and yet elusive - shows how much great music there was around that even the internet doesn't have the power to unearth I even enjoyed hearing John Wayne Goes Big Leggy again - I am sure I remember Peel playing it too but i may be wrong as the only evidence on wiki of any association with him is introducing them on totp! Maybe i should retreat back in to my early 80's dreamworld! From: Stuart Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 1:05 Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!   Good work on these Mark (4), also by our Stealth Bomber 3904, who either has a better Shazam than me or a great memory!   I’d forgotten until recently that In Session Tonight documented all of those KJ sessions so you might get the Pauline black answers there, I’m away from home so can’t access it right now.   Should have known Clock DVA, I bought Advantage based on session trax.   Enjoying the challenge set by these Karl Tapes especially the KJ shows, despite his weakness for Kid Creole, Culture Club and Haysi Fantaysee (he must have seen the latent DJs in the latter 2) there have definitely been some interesting obscurities and great sessions such as Screen 3 which to me seems stronger than their Peel sessions.   From: MARK LUETCHFORD Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:23 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!     June 1982 - tried my best but still two unidentified: one a track by Clock DVA - a fine band but I don't have enough knowledge to identify. The other is a mystery in that is listed as So Few but no band of that name seems to exist. Karl's Tape 06 - June 1982 I'm off to bed - others may wish to have a go ... mark   From: "stuartb@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 19 October 2013, 23:48 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted!     Another couple of 1982 tapes now wikified. Karl's Tape 05 - May 1982 Side A starts with Kid Jensen show 24th May 1982 before moving onto newly available 24 May 1982 . Then another KJ show with an unknown session and possibly a late transition to a Peel show. Quite a few unknown trax though thanks to JohnPeel3904 for identifying them. Side A looks like the evening session of 22nd June 1982. A slight mystery is the apparent Members session, which is not documented in In Session Tonight. The tracks are not the versions from the album. 4 unidentified trax. Side B moves onto edited highlights of newly available 22 June 1982 though another slight mystery is that a couple of tracks which were played that night according to the John Peel Papers, appear out of sequence earlier on Karl's Tape. The two possibilities are: 1. The said two tracks were also played on the evening session. 2. The said two tracks were squeezed in to a gap at the end of side 1 and start of side 2. This could only have happened through a tape to tape dub, as there would not have been enough time to catch the next track on a pause button first generation tape. So Karl, is option 2 a possibility? If not I'll keep those tracks as part of the Evening Session. Stuart From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 27 11:39:54 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:39:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I can't remember) . Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate Christmas". I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as poor as side A. Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb Cheers Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote: > ** > > > Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. > Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 > show of part 2 > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December > 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please > upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth > it.. > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > can you rip side B too? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alan Ford > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 > *Subject:* Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. > Is there a template for new pages ? > > Alan > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: > > In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. > I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which > implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), > Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock > Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B > http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 > > Cheers > > Alan > > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > > ** > > These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented > in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th > November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he > recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished > copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday > 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! > > DM > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 > *Subject:* [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd > already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did > eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? > > > > > > > > From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 27 11:44:22 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:44:22 +0000 Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: What am I talking about !?!? I moved house 10 years ago. John died 9 years ago. If I've still got part 1 then it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which have been stuffed under the stairs (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking under there? - I can't remember). Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Alan Ford wrote: > Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I > have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic > since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking > up there? - I can't remember) . > Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB > back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist > for "I Hate Christmas". > > I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike > Davies Rock Show > http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d > I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as > poor as side A. > > Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm > Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: > David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 > http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb > > Cheers > > Alan > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. >> Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 >> show of part 2 >> >> >> ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December >> 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please >> upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth >> it.. >> >> >> ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> can you rip side B too? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Alan Ford >> *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 >> *Subject:* Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. >> Is there a template for new pages ? >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: >> >> In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. >> I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which >> implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), >> Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock >> Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B >> http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 >> >> Cheers >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: >> >> ** >> >> These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank >> presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th >> 4th November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he >> recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished >> copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday >> 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! >> >> DM >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mark >> *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 >> *Subject:* [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd >> already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did >> eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 27 12:45:09 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:45:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1381755767.68789.YahooMailNeo@...> <1382818575.10592.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1382874309.28440.YahooMailNeo@...> now I understand why you didn't want to rip Side B - I thought it was Part1 I was only asking to annoy you but got what I deserved!!! I would be really curious what lurked in my attic for 10 years - even if its not going to be more Rob da Bank - although I did recently find something I thought I'd lost 30 years ago hidden in a box in my garage. Unfortunately it was mouldy. And it wan't old dough. ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 10:44 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   What am I talking about !?!? I moved house 10 years ago. John died 9 years ago. If I've still got part 1 then it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which have been stuffed under the stairs (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking under there? - I can't remember). Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Alan Ford wrote: Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I can't remember) . >Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate Christmas". > >I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show >http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d >I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as poor as side A. > > Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: >David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 >http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb > >Cheers > >Alan > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote: > > >>  >> Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part 2 >> >> >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it..  >> >> >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>can you rip side B too? >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Alan Ford >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 >>Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> >>  >>I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? >> >>Alan >> >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: >>>> >>>>In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. >>>>>I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), >>>>>Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B >>>>>http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 >>>>> >>>>>Cheers >>>>> >>>>>Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! >>>>>> >>>>>>DM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Mark >>>>>>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 >>>>>>Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> > From stuart@... Sun Oct 27 13:09:25 2013 From: stuart@... (Stuart Mchugh) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:09:25 +0000 Subject: [peel] More Karl Tapes also inlay help wanted! In-Reply-To: <1382869214.249.73698.m7@yahoogroups.com> References: <1382869214.249.73698.m7@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <0B13EF31-7EE1-4D10-89E8-68973B9C003A@...> > Should have known Clock DVA, I bought Advantage based on session > trax. Not heard the ripped show, I do have a copy of Resistance' 7" which was a great 'darkpop' (made-up genre) tune, might have a bit of a tilt at the charts. I think I then bought White Souls in Dark Suits which was, shall we say, less commercially viable. That was as far as my hazy memories went, but Wikipedia was able to remind me that some of the band formed The Box (who I have an excellent 12" of), but I also found that Cluck DVA still exist - I was sure that mainman Adi Newton had died, but turns out that it was the bassist Jud Turner who'd overdosed in the early 80s. S www.isthismusic.com From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 27 15:42:47 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:42:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: alexis korner on iplayers Message-ID: <1382884967.88945.YahooMailNeo@...> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00lk3lz/The_Devils_Music_Series_2_Episode_1/ Was some discussion on this dj recently - always wondered what he looked like - now I know! Well at least this was him in 1979 style - dig those sideburns... really good programme too. From M.Luetchford@... Sun Oct 27 17:18:42 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <1382890722.97057.YahooMailNeo@...> Another source ... from a youtube conversation about the wild swans. Another attic related post ... only sharing in case the hurricane blows me into the sea ... do we have a generic email we can send Mr Freakwave in case he ever does get the ladder out? * ColinFreakwave 1 year agoBrilliant! Brilliant! I remember listening to this Peel session whilst recording it onto a little cassette recorder with the microphone pressed againts the radio speaker ('cos that's how you did it in those days); I was blown away with how beautiful the songs were. Still sounds fresh and inspiring today. Thanks. There was a Peel session from the Chameleons from about the same time that was just as good, too. Those were the days.... Reply ·   *   Zetchford 2 days agoAgree. Wild Swans revolutionary spirit is a personal fave. Do you still have those tapes as it would be great to get them digitised for the peel wikia - if you do visit it and find out how.... Reply ·   in reply to ColinFreakwave (Show the comment) *   ColinFreakwave 49 minutes agoThey're in a dusty pile in the attic, I think. If I get some time, I'll see if I can drag them out... Reply ·   in reply to Zetchford (Show the comment) From dr_mango2004@... Sun Oct 27 21:15:46 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:15:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Dr M. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39   Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I can't remember) . Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate Christmas". I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as poor as side A. Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb Cheers Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote:    Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part 2 ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it..  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: can you rip side B too? From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote:   These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From stuartb@... Sun Oct 27 21:52:58 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:52:58 -0000 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From ford.alan@... Sun Oct 27 22:57:19 2013 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:57:19 +0000 Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: Thanks Dr M > Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, > then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). > And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Presumably these reasons are why they continued to call it The John Peel Show, and why we should include them. Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > ** > > > The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio > One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter > the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 > > It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be > added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running > order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together > in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they > used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. > > Dr M. > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: > > Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately there > is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I > have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which > remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who > knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I > can't remember) . > > Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 > tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, > although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate > Christmas". > > I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is > another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show > > http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d > I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the > quality is likely to be as poor as side A. > > Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any > fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" > might be interested in this 24 min interview: > > David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC > Radio Devon.mp3 > http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb > > Cheers > > Alan > > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at > 1:38 AM, > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, > then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've > added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part > 2 > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > > Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki > page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the > tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I > know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be > worth it.. > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > can you rip side B > too? > > From: Alan Ford > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: > Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 > > Subject: Re: > [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that as this is billed as > a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template > for new pages ? > > Alan > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford > wrote: > > In fact, RDB continued to present > 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. > I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 > mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a > c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), > > > > Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins > of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. > Please don't ask me to rip side B > http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 > > > > > Cheers > > Alan > > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These would be the first week > or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week > following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th > November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned > previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't > then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). > I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday > 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! > > > > > DM > > > > > > > From: Mark > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Monday, > 14 October 2013, 13:41 > Subject: > [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also I read in a book the other day > (??) that before his death he'd already compiled > tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually > get put together and played out... are these available > anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From egdirdle2013@... Sun Oct 27 23:21:57 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 27 Oct 2013 15:21:57 -0700 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: Some of these tapes include Gary Crowley's Capital Radio show that started in early 82 I think. Blimey I really did used to twiddle that dial. Changed the radio stations quite often as well :- ) Er ...yes...anything that doesn't seem to add up to being a Peel session is usually Kid Jensen. I think there are every few Crowley Shows... a couple a year at most between 1982 and 1985. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@... mailto:egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From haze.harrison@... Mon Oct 28 09:56:46 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:56:46 -0000 Subject: Karl's Tape 04 In-Reply-To: <8D0A04AB85D1351-15C8-A138@...> Message-ID: BBC 6Music Live Hour replayed the Wild Swans July '82 session this week and it is available for the next few days on iPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03f43jy --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > The Wild Swans current lineup is for my money easily as good as the 80s stuff - Been playing their newer stuff on my show since the magnificent English Electric single came out 4 years ago. > > Here's their recent album, about to be reissued in deluxe format: > > http://www.occultation.co.uk/Occultation_Space/Releases/DIONE7DB012/coldestwinter_ma.html > > Rocker > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: so_it_goes_2512 > To: peel > Sent: Sat, Oct 26, 2013 1:13 am > Subject: [peel] RE: Karl's Tape 04 > > > > > > > > >>Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received. > > > Hi Mark, I've re-posted it on TK. Enjoy!!! > http://festive50.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/going-down-to-liverpool/ > > Steve (TK) > > > > ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > all identified and updated - its a Wild Swans (of revolutionary spirit fame) session and there is also a belle stars session on there too. > > > Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received > > > Mark > > > > > > > From: "stuartb@" > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013, 1:05 > Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04 > > > > > > > Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 > > now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. > > The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... > > The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) > The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. > From haze.harrison@... Mon Oct 28 10:12:25 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:12:25 -0000 Subject: Karl's Tape 04 In-Reply-To: <1382712395.66909.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Incandescent is re-released today on 180g double vinyl on the Weatherbox label. There's also a deluxe version including a hard back book. Normal version is here - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Incandescent-VINYL-Wild-Swans/dp/B00CHFODU4 On the other hand if you're short of cash a google search for "Wild Swans", Incandescent and huremics will make you smile ;-) --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: > > all identified and updated - its a Wild Swans (of revolutionary spirit fame) session and there is also a belle stars session on there too. > > Led me to a cd of wild swans music called incandescent (sessions etc) that is now on my wish list but in the mean time if anyone has the peel session of theirs it woudl be gratefully received > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > From: "stuartb@..." > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013, 1:05 > Subject: [peel] Karl's Tape 04 > > > >   > Karl's Tape 04 April 1982 > > now wikified as much as I'm able without the inlay info. > > The Peel show featured was previously available, but the more obscure 1980s stuff is on the Kid Jensen show. A lot of sax on this tape... > > The first KJ has a Maximum Joy session (identified by instinct rather than knowledge - first track I went to on Youtube was the one I was trying to identify...) > The second is an unknown . slightly Farmers Boys y but don't think it's them. > From M.Luetchford@... Mon Oct 28 15:33:38 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:33:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: <1382970818.87105.YahooMailNeo@...> agree should have them on the wikia if they did continue to advertise them as his show although I presume that the BBC have kept copies so our public service role is as a back-up rather than as the only source... M ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Thanks Dr M > Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, > then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). > And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Presumably these reasons are why they continued to call it The John Peel Show, and why we should include them. Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Dr Mango wrote: >  >The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 > >It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. > >Dr M. > >-------------------------------------------- > >On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: > >Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >Unfortunately there >is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I >have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which >remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who >knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I >can't remember) . > >Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 >tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, >although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate >Christmas". > >I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is >another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show > >http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d >I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the >quality is likely to be as poor as side A. > >Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any >fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" >might be interested in this 24 min interview: > >David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC >Radio Devon.mp3 >http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb > >Cheers > >Alan > > > > >On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at >1:38 AM, >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, >then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've >added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part >2 > >---In peel@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > >Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki >page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the >tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I >know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be >worth it..  > > >---In peel@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > >can you rip side B >too? > > >From: Alan Ford > > >To: peel@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: >Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 > >Subject: Re: >[peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >I guess that as this is billed as >a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template >for new pages ? > >Alan > > > > >On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford >wrote: > >In fact, RDB continued to present >'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. >I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 >mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a >c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), > > > >Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins >of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. >Please don't ask me to rip side B >http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 > > > > >Cheers > >Alan > > > > >On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >These would be the first week >or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week >following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th >November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned >previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't >then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). >I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday >10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! > > > > >DM > > > > > > > >From: Mark > >To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Sent: Monday, >14 October 2013, 13:41 >Subject: >[peel] Re: 27 October 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >also I read in a book the other day >(??) that before his death he'd already compiled >tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually >get put together and played out... are these available >anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Oct 28 20:28:08 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 28 Oct 2013 12:28:08 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1382970818.87105.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> <1382970818.87105.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Just looked on the Wiki, Mark....johnpeel3904 appears to have pre-empted us. Well done him! Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: agree should have them on the wikia if they did continue to advertise them as his show although I presume that the BBC have kept copies so our public service role is as a back-up rather than as the only source... M From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 Thanks Dr M > Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, > then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). > And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Presumably these reasons are why they continued to call it The John Peel Show, and why we should include them. Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Dr Mango wrote: The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Dr M. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39 Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I can't remember) . Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate Christmas". I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as poor as side A. Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb Cheers Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote: Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part 2 ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it.. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: can you rip side B too? From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote: These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004 also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From dr_mango2004@... Mon Oct 28 21:40:06 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1382992806.23763.YahooMailBasic@...> Now we just need that nice Mr Rocker to find some time to present his recordings of these shows! DM -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 28/10/13, so_it_goes_2512@... wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 To: peel@...m Date: Monday, 28 October, 2013, 19:28   Just looked on the Wiki, Mark....johnpeel3904 appears to have pre-empted us. Well done him! Steve (TK)  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: agree should have them on the wikia if they did continue to advertise them as his show although I presume that the BBC have kept copies so our public service role is as a back-up rather than as the only source... M From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Thanks Dr M > Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, > then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). > And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Presumably these reasons are why they continued to call it The John Peel Show, and why we should include them. Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Dr Mango wrote:   The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Dr M. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39   Unfortunately there is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I can't remember) . Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate Christmas". I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the quality is likely to be as poor as side A. Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" might be interested in this 24 min interview: David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC Radio Devon.mp3 http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb Cheers Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM, wrote:    Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part 2 ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be worth it..  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: can you rip side B too? From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   I guess that as this is billed as a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template for new pages ? Alan On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford wrote: In fact, RDB continued to present 'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. Please don't ask me to rip side B http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 Cheers Alan On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango wrote:   These would be the first week or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday 10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! DM From: Mark To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013, 13:41 Subject: [peel] Re: 27 October 2004   also I read in a book the other day (??) that before his death he'd already compiled tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually get put together and played out... are these available anywhere? From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Oct 28 22:48:06 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 28 Oct 2013 14:48:06 -0700 Subject: Fill Her Her Up, Jacko Message-ID: Stuart recently remarked on 1998 being the driest year for recordings since 1977. Thanks to Isector, that is about to change. 07 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_January_1998 (Girlfrendo) has been made available previously, but this recording is just under half an hour longer. 13 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/13_January_1998 (Lovejunk) is new to the catalogue, whereas user Razorbladealley promised us a recording (in 2010) of 14 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/14_January_1998 (To Rococo Rot), and this one covers virtually the same ground. 02 April 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/02_April_1998 (Aerial M) is also new to the roster, as is 28 April 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_April_1998, which features live down the line tracks from the Leopards and Dawn Of The Replicants. Many thanks to our hero for filling in so many gaps in Peel's radio history! Best wishes Steve (TK) P.S. If any of you want more BFBS material, please let me know, as I don't want to put them up if there's no demand. From M.Luetchford@... Mon Oct 28 23:57:18 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> <1382970818.87105.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1383001038.64219.YahooMailNeo@...> They seek him here, they seek him there ... our very own scarlet pimpernel. ________________________________ From: "so_it_goes_2512@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 19:28 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Just looked on the Wiki, Mark....johnpeel3904 appears to have pre-empted us. Well done him! Steve (TK)  ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: agree should have them on the wikia if they did continue to advertise them as his show although I presume that the BBC have kept copies so our public service role is as a back-up rather than as the only source... M ________________________________ From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Thanks Dr M > Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, > then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). > And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. Presumably these reasons are why they continued to call it The John Peel Show, and why we should include them. Alan On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Dr Mango wrote: > > >>  >>The track listings for the post-Peel Peel shows are up there on the Radio One site. They're just not linked to the Peel shows calendar. You can enter the url manually to view them though. Here's the link for your show, Alan: >> >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20041221 >> >>It's a topic for discussion, probably. Should these Rob da Bank shows be added to the wiki? After all, they followed Peel's pre-prepared running order for the first week or two, then played records that he'd put together in a box to air on future shows (from what I remember). And of course, they used up the sessions that had been recorded / booked in prior to Peru. >> >>Dr M. >> >>-------------------------------------------- >> >>On Sun, 27/10/13, Alan Ford wrote: >> >>Subject: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 >> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Sunday, 27 October, 2013, 10:39 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Unfortunately there >>is no guarantee that I've still got part 1; and if I >>have it's probably in one of many unmarked boxes which >>remain in the attic since moving house 10 years ago (who >>knows what 'treasures' may be lurking up there? - I >>can't remember) . >> >>Thanks for doing the wiki page. I have added the 2 >>tracks which RDB back-announces at the start of the tape, >>although I can't catch the artist for "I Hate >>Christmas". >> >>I have now ripped and uploaded side B, which is >>another 48:45 of the Mike Davies Rock Show >> >>http://netkups.com/?d=1ed2dac46985d >>I'm afraid I haven't listened to it, but the >>quality is likely to be as poor as side A. >> >>Finally (and even further 'off-topic'), any >>fans of songs like "When I'm Dead And Gone" >>might be interested in this 24 min interview: >> >>David Hamilton interviews Tom McGuinness 2013-09-03 BBC >>Radio Devon.mp3 >>http://netkups.com/?d=79c845cb25ceb >> >>Cheers >> >>Alan >> >> >> >> >>On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at >>1:38 AM, >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Whoops i meant if you can upload Part 1, >>then that would be brilliant. Thanks for Part 2 and I've >>added the tracklistings for the 21st Dec 2004 show of part >>2 >> >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >> >>Thanks for uploading Side B. I've added the wiki >>page of 21st December 2004 on the site with the >>tracklisting.. If you can find Side A, please upload it. I >>know sound quality is not brilliant, but it' will be >>worth it..  >> >> >>---In peel@yahoogroups.com, >> wrote: >> >>can you rip side B >>too? >> >> >>From: Alan Ford >> >> >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >> >>Sent: >>Saturday, 26 October 2013, 21:06 >> >>Subject: Re: >>[peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I guess that as this is billed as >>a Peel show then it should be wikified. Is there a template >>for new pages ? >> >>Alan >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Alan Ford >>wrote: >> >>In fact, RDB continued to present >>'Peel' shows until 23/12/04. >>I have a tape labelled "RDB 21/12/04 Part 2 (30 >>mins) / Rock Show" (which implies to me that I have a >>c90 somewhere with Part 1 on it), >> >> >> >>Anyway, here's Side A, including the first 15 mins >>of Mike Davies' Rock Show. The quality is not high. >>Please don't ask me to rip side B >>http://netkups.com/?d=6e652caec15e0 >> >> >> >> >>Cheers >> >>Alan >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Dr Mango >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>These would be the first week >>or two of shows that Rob da Bank presented in the week >>following the tribute shows (so Tu 2nd, We 3rd and Th 4th >>November for starters). I  think Rocker mentioned >>previously that he recorded them at the time but hadn't >>then got around to mastering finished copies (busy chap). >>I'd certainly love to hear them - especially Wednesday >>10th November, as I had an email read out on the show! >> >> >> >> >>DM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Mark >> >>To: peel@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >>Sent: Monday, >>14 October 2013, 13:41 >>Subject: >>[peel] Re: 27 October 2004 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >>also I read in a book the other day >>(??) that before his death he'd already compiled >>tracklistings for some upcoming shows, which did eventually >>get put together and played out... are these available >>anywhere? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 29 00:08:27 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:08:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Fill Her Her Up, Jacko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1383001707.22803.YahooMailNeo@...> thank you - and personally, even if I don't have a chance to listen to all this embarrassment of riches now, I think it is best to put everything we can up - I think many of us are busy on listings and loadings and rippings and profilings but the BFBS shows were put together with such care and are gems of shows that would be a shame not to share them.  I  wondered how many forces folk actually listened to them at the time. I suspect they had more of a local listenership which brings me to a question that I know you lot will know the answer to - do we know any listener numbers for the various shows? I think part of his charm was that you often felt you were the only listener but I would be interested to know how many they think listened to shows, indeed did they ever try and estimate and if so how and what was the results. How much of a minority pursuit were they? There is probably a page all about this already ...  ________________________________ From: "so_it_goes_2512@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 21:48 Subject: [peel] Fill Her Her Up, Jacko   Stuart recently remarked on 1998 being the driest year for recordings since 1977. Thanks to Isector, that is about to change. 07 January 1998 (Girlfrendo) has been made available previously, but this recording is just under half  an hour longer. 13 January 1998 (Lovejunk) is new to the catalogue, whereas user Razorbladealley promised us a recording (in 2010) of 14 January 1998 (To Rococo Rot), and this one covers virtually the same ground. 02 April 1998 (Aerial M) is also new to the roster, as is 28 April 1998, which features live down the line tracks from the Leopards and Dawn Of The Replicants. Many thanks to our hero for filling in so many gaps in Peel's radio history! Best wishes Steve (TK) P.S. If any of you want more BFBS material, please let me know, as I don't want to put them up if there's no demand. From johnpeel3904@... Tue Oct 29 00:14:36 2013 From: johnpeel3904@... (johnpeel3904@...) Date: 28 Oct 2013 16:14:36 -0700 Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: Thanks to you Dr Mango, I've added tracklistings of post-peel shows from 2004 and also strangely the BBC Peel site didn't have the tracklisting of 23rd December 2004. Thankfully Phil's Mighty Database gave me the tracklistings of that date. I've also managed to sort out the links, when clicking on the dates from the 2004 Calendar on the Peel Wikia site. From M.Luetchford@... Tue Oct 29 00:51:05 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: References: <1382904946.90856.YahooMailBasic@...> Message-ID: <1383004265.16512.YahooMailNeo@...> Being lazy now - but how many of these post-shows were based on track listings and how many based on a records in a box? Interesting that he did track listings so far in advance and then had boxes of records ready to build future shows. I've never put together a radio show but is that normal way of doing it? I always had this image of him doing this the day of the show in his office/Peel Acres but that was always probably unrealistic. I now have this image of him listening to new stuff constantly and lobbing them into a box/on to the seat of the car if he liked the sound of them and then spending some time later building a track listing for shows a month in advance from his collection. Starting with the new stuff from the box, adding a bit of reggae, a bit of 50s stuff, the session tracks, an old favourite, a few bpms, a Fall track (if we were lucky), a bit of folk, a bit of african and then some more new stuff again. I presume the new stuff that didn't make it into that show was put into the box for later use or was discarded as he didn't like it as much the second time. That's a lot of work and when he was doing 4 shows a week must have been almost full time but then he did BFBS/Finnis/Austrian etc. too. Again there is probably a wiki page on this already! M ________________________________ From: "johnpeel3904@....uk" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 23:14 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Thanks to you Dr Mango, I've added tracklistings of post-peel shows from 2004 and also strangely the BBC Peel site didn't have the tracklisting of 23rd December 2004. Thankfully Phil's Mighty Database gave me the tracklistings of that date. I've also managed to sort out the links, when clicking on the dates from the 2004 Calendar on the Peel Wikia site. From stuartb@... Tue Oct 29 01:46:46 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 00:46:46 -0000 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <04EDF030071D4754BAB42EE4C3273B7D@StuartWin7PC> Just making a wiki page for this now, interesting how similar the Laibach track (which cropped up in the Gumtree tapes recently) is to Portishead’s Machine Gun. Sounds like the tape is in good condition, maybe clearer even than the other tapes. There are some pops and clicks in the right hand channel, perhaps they were there on the tape, but perhaps they sound digital in nature. I have noticed on occasion Audacity reverting to Microphone record input instead of line input, which can have an effect on the sound. Anyway thanks for making the effort to share these, I’m quite sure that some of these old tracks might never have been heard again! Stuart From: Stuart Brooks Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:52 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From robfleay@... Tue Oct 29 10:36:26 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:36:26 +0000 Subject: [peel] Fill Her Her Up, Jacko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes please to more BFBS - to me, those shows are the true gold, as they feel new (in that I would never have heard them at the time). On 28 October 2013 21:48, wrote: > > > Stuart recently remarked on 1998 being the driest year for recordings > since 1977. Thanks to Isector, that is about to change. > > 07 January 1998 (Girlfrendo) has > been made available previously, but this recording is just under half an > hour longer. 13 January 1998 > (Lovejunk) is new to the catalogue, whereas user Razorbladealley promised > us a recording (in 2010) of 14 January 1998 > (To Rococo Rot), and this one covers virtually the same ground. 02 April > 1998 (Aerial M) is also new to > the roster, as is 28 April 1998 , > which features live down the line tracks from the Leopards and Dawn Of The > Replicants. Many thanks to our hero for filling in so many gaps in Peel's > radio history! > > > Best wishes > Steve (TK) > > P.S. If any of you want more BFBS material, please let me know, as I don't > want to put them up if there's no demand. > > > > From stuartb@... Tue Oct 29 12:21:47 2013 From: stuartb@... (Stuart Brooks) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:21:47 -0000 Subject: [peel] Fill Her Her Up, Jacko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F954EFA19844E6AE1BD5FACA4698DA@StuartWin7PC> That’s taken 1998 off the bottom of the post 1977 league table! Thanks to ISector – shouldn’t he have a “Box” page on the wiki? Another thumbs up for the BFBS shows – are these the numbered mixtapes that you have? (Peel 045 etc) STuart From: so_it_goes_2512@... Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:48 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Fill Her Her Up, Jacko Stuart recently remarked on 1998 being the driest year for recordings since 1977. Thanks to Isector, that is about to change. 07 January 1998 (Girlfrendo) has been made available previously, but this recording is just under half an hour longer. 13 January 1998 (Lovejunk) is new to the catalogue, whereas user Razorbladealley promised us a recording (in 2010) of 14 January 1998 (To Rococo Rot), and this one covers virtually the same ground. 02 April 1998 (Aerial M) is also new to the roster, as is 28 April 1998, which features live down the line tracks from the Leopards and Dawn Of The Replicants. Many thanks to our hero for filling in so many gaps in Peel's radio history! Best wishes Steve (TK) P.S. If any of you want more BFBS material, please let me know, as I don't want to put them up if there's no demand. From dr_mango2004@... Tue Oct 29 15:29:08 2013 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 In-Reply-To: <1383004265.16512.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1383056948.3907.YahooMailBasic@...> > Being lazy now - but how many of these post-shows were based on track listings and how many based on a records in a box? We'll have to listen to the shows again to find out. From memory, the first two weeks (I think) were shows that Peel had compiled, ready to go. And then for the next few weeks RDB played music that included items from Peel's record box that he intended to air in forthcoming shows. DM -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 28/10/13, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: Subject: Re: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004 To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Date: Monday, 28 October, 2013, 23:51   Being lazy now - but how many of these post-shows were based on track listings and how many based on a records in a box? Interesting that he did track listings so far in advance and then had boxes of records ready to build future shows. I've never put together a radio show but is that normal way of doing it? I always had this image of him doing this the day of the show in his office/Peel Acres but that was always probably unrealistic. I now have this image of him listening to new stuff constantly and lobbing them into a box/on to the seat of the car if he liked the sound of them and then spending some time later building a track listing for shows a month in advance from his collection. Starting with the new stuff from the box, adding a bit of reggae, a bit of 50s stuff, the session tracks, an old favourite, a few bpms, a Fall track (if we were lucky), a bit of folk, a bit of african and then some more new stuff again. I presume the new stuff that didn't make it into that show was put into the box for later use or was discarded as he didn't like it as much the second time. That's a lot of work and when he was doing 4 shows a week must have been almost full time but then he did BFBS/Finnis/Austrian etc. too. Again there is probably a wiki page on this already! M From: "johnpeel3904@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013, 23:14 Subject: RE: Re: [peel] RE: 27 October 2004   Thanks to you Dr Mango, I've added tracklistings of post-peel shows from 2004 and also strangely the BBC Peel site didn't have the tracklisting of 23rd December 2004. Thankfully Phil's Mighty Database gave me the tracklistings of that date. I've also managed to sort out the links, when clicking on the dates from the 2004 Calendar on the Peel Wikia site. From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 01:57:42 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (Karl Eldridge) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> Message-ID: <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote:   Cheers Karl!   Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station.   Stuart   From: egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@...m Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update     Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything.   This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From zomgqashiyo@... Wed Oct 30 05:00:13 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 29 Oct 2013 21:00:13 -0700 Subject: Fill Her Her Up, Jacko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve .. this tiny little container may be yours soon. see the preview 6_Music_Int@6461.flv 05:18:20.34 start="2013-10-21T15:00:00Z" ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Stuart recently remarked on 1998 being the driest year for recordings since 1977. Thanks to Isector, that is about to change. 07 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_January_1998 (Girlfrendo) has been made available previously, but this recording is just under half an hour longer. 13 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/13_January_1998 (Lovejunk) is new to the catalogue, whereas user Razorbladealley promised us a recording (in 2010) of 14 January 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/14_January_1998 (To Rococo Rot), and this one covers virtually the same ground. 02 April 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/02_April_1998 (Aerial M) is also new to the roster, as is 28 April 1998 http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_April_1998, which features live down the line tracks from the Leopards and Dawn Of The Replicants. Many thanks to our hero for filling in so many gaps in Peel's radio history! Best wishes Steve (TK) P.S. If any of you want more BFBS material, please let me know, as I don't want to put them up if there's no demand. From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 01:45:34 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 29 Oct 2013 17:45:34 -0700 Subject: A Karl Tape Early July 1982 Message-ID: Just uploading another to the moo. Its from a TDK 120 - got fairly persistent popping in right channel - any advice ? Anyway Side 1 is I reckon almost all Jensen with Side 2 possibly all Peel Side 1 Teardrop Explodes in session Sam Cooke ( a few tracks interspersed - poss best of just released ? ) Frank Zappa "Valley Girl" Stranglers "Strange Little Girl" Positive Noise Dalek I Love You Tears For Fears ( session I think - volume dips a bit ) John Cooper Clarke Doris Allen The Passage Pato & Roger Side 2 Ety Ety ( volume better now ) Synthetic Dreams Cocteau Twins Apologies For Innocence Afraid Of Mice End Games Placebo The Keys Black Slate Trixies Big Red Motorbike Sammy Dread Echo & The Bunneymen Music For Pleasure The Crabs ( session ? ) The Soul Cop Brigadeer Jerry The Tunnel Users From M.Luetchford@... Wed Oct 30 12:14:51 2013 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> how about the ineffable Richard Skinner - thought he was always a better foil to Peel than the Kid - I think he was doing a saturday show in 1983 but I don't have a copy of the even more effable Ken's earlier book to check if he was doing sessions at this time ... ________________________________ From: Karl Eldridge To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update   Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote:   Cheers Karl!   Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station.   Stuart   From: egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update     Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything.   This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 12:38:32 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 04:38:32 -0700 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: I think Jensen took over in the second half of 1981. I know for sure I have a May 1981 tape where Skinner is on first with a Teardrop Explodes session. Mike Read did the show before Peel up until the end of 1980 I think. It is possible Skinner did it for less than a year before Jensen took over. Never could quite get why Jensen was in that spot. I always felt they just gave it to anyone and told them what to play. Never really felt Jensen loved the likes of The Higsons , Killing Joke , Rip , Rig and Panic etc. But then again Richard Skinner was just the bloody newsreader before he got the gig. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: how about the ineffable Richard Skinner - thought he was always a better foil to Peel than the Kid - I think he was doing a saturday show in 1983 but I don't have a copy of the even more effable Ken's earlier book to check if he was doing sessions at this time ... From: Karl Eldridge To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote: Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@... mailto:egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From ken_garner@... Wed Oct 30 12:40:48 2013 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 04:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: <1383133248.2650.YahooMailNeo@...> not sure I follow all this thread, but R Skinner did have sessions when he ws doing the evening show on R1, and also later when he presented Saturday Live (producer: Mark Radcliffe). At the back of IN SESSION TONIGHT there is an alphabetical listing of all shows form which I tried to draw their session details, though of course I did miss some! k On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:14 AM, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: how about the ineffable Richard Skinner - thought he was always a better foil to Peel than the Kid - I think he was doing a saturday show in 1983 but I don't have a copy of the even more effable Ken's earlier book to check if he was doing sessions at this time ... ________________________________ From: Karl Eldridge To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update   Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote:   Cheers Karl!   Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station.   Stuart   From: egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update     Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything.   This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 13:34:40 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 05:34:40 -0700 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: <1383133248.2650.YahooMailNeo@...> References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383133248.2650.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Some of my replies aren't getting through. - yes always thought Jensen just played what he was told and that they were just putting anyone in that spot. Then again Richard Skinner was the newsreader before he got the gig !! I think Mike Read did 8-10 1979/80 before Richard Skinner who may have only done it for the first half of 1981. I have a May 1981 tape with him at the start and T Explodes in session... I think. Jensen was certainly doing it before the year was out. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: not sure I follow all this thread, but R Skinner did have sessions when he ws doing the evening show on R1, and also later when he presented Saturday Live (producer: Mark Radcliffe). At the back of IN SESSION TONIGHT there is an alphabetical listing of all shows form which I tried to draw their session details, though of course I did miss some! k On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:14 AM, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: how about the ineffable Richard Skinner - thought he was always a better foil to Peel than the Kid - I think he was doing a saturday show in 1983 but I don't have a copy of the even more effable Ken's earlier book to check if he was doing sessions at this time ... From: Karl Eldridge To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote: Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@... mailto:egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 13:40:30 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 05:40:30 -0700 Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update In-Reply-To: References: <0C32E45EDE9045F8BF28910381615021@StuartWin7PC> <1383094662.14168.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383131691.46930.YahooMailNeo@...> <1383133248.2650.YahooMailNeo@...> Message-ID: Basically what I'm saying is Richard Skinner did Mon - Thurs 8-10 in 1981 for about 6 months by my reckoning. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Some of my replies aren't getting through. - yes always thought Jensen just played what he was told and that they were just putting anyone in that spot. Then again Richard Skinner was the newsreader before he got the gig !! I think Mike Read did 8-10 1979/80 before Richard Skinner who may have only done it for the first half of 1981. I have a May 1981 tape with him at the start and T Explodes in session... I think. Jensen was certainly doing it before the year was out. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: not sure I follow all this thread, but R Skinner did have sessions when he ws doing the evening show on R1, and also later when he presented Saturday Live (producer: Mark Radcliffe). At the back of IN SESSION TONIGHT there is an alphabetical listing of all shows form which I tried to draw their session details, though of course I did miss some! k On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:14 AM, MARK LUETCHFORD wrote: how about the ineffable Richard Skinner - thought he was always a better foil to Peel than the Kid - I think he was doing a saturday show in 1983 but I don't have a copy of the even more effable Ken's earlier book to check if he was doing sessions at this time ... From: Karl Eldridge To: "peel@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2013, 0:57 Subject: Re: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Could have sworn I replied to this. They could be off Gary Crowley's Capital Radio Show ... outside chance. On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:14 PM, Stuart Brooks wrote: Cheers Karl! Just wondering if you could remember where the Lotus Eaters 1983 and Members 1982 sessions came from – there’s no sign in Ken’s In Session Tonight which makes me wonder if they might have been recorded from a commercial station. Stuart From: egdirdle2013@... mailto:egdirdle2013@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: peel@yahoogroups.com mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Karl and his tapes , upload update Hi all I am just uploading one of my tapes to the Moo. Thanks to Andrew for coming round and showing me the Audacity of everything. This one is from Late July 1984 and Has Peel / Jensen and the odd dip into a soul station ( around this time it was almost subversive to be into a bit of soul... but not really ) The inlay card reads just the artists. Screaming Tony Baxter Laibach Mikey Jarrett B-Beat Girls Screaming Blue Messiahs Traffic Breeze March Violets Designer Forever Action unknown Patrice Rushent Side 2 Farmers Boys Blue Nile Smiley Culture Little Big Dig Frankie Goes To Hollywood Paul Hardcastle unknown Skeletal Family Missing Presumed Dead Siouxsie & Banshees Dubset Brass Construction I didn't tidy up the 10 second gap in the middle for the tape flip and this tape is not perhaps one of the more interesting ? I just wanted to get one out there From egdirdle2013@... Wed Oct 30 20:56:08 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 12:56:08 -0700 Subject: Karl's Tape Feb - July 1998 uploaded to moo Message-ID: Sorry to keep doing this one at a time. This one is a C90 can't remember but Side 1 possibly from Feb 1998 and Side 2 July.1998 It is edited obviously but all the links are in there !!! Some very funny Side 1 Not Bit Of Wood Prolapse Soul Suspects The Leopards Plad Fire Engines Asian Dub Foundation 60 Foot Dolls live in session with chat and banter Muslim Gauze 60 Foot Dolls Side 2 Runi Ether Evolution Control Committee Sizzler Bear Terry Edwards Sweet Trip Buccaneer Arab Strap Cinerama Topper Caliphone From stuartb@... Thu Oct 31 01:00:28 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 17:00:28 -0700 Subject: A Karl Tape Early July 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't know if you saw my earlier comment but I wondered if Audacity had reverted to mic in as the input which can cause a thin and distorted sound. Or perhaps the deck is connected to the mic in socket? Do you hear the popping when just playing the tape through the PC , or when recording or on audacity playback or just in the final mp3? From zomgqashiyo@... Thu Oct 31 07:30:41 2013 From: zomgqashiyo@... (zomgqashiyo@...) Date: 30 Oct 2013 23:30:41 -0700 Subject: We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery. Message-ID: http://fb.me/1ESfrVC0y From dunelm@... Thu Oct 31 09:35:15 2013 From: dunelm@... (dunelm@...) Date: 31 Oct 2013 01:35:15 -0700 Subject: We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you’re taking the mooo too literally. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: http://fb.me/1ESfrVC0y From so_it_goes_2512@... Thu Oct 31 10:06:30 2013 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (so_it_goes_2512@...) Date: 31 Oct 2013 02:06:30 -0700 Subject: We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brilliant reply...left me feeling rather cowed. I'll get me coat. Steve (TK) ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think you’re taking the mooo too literally. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: http://fb.me/1ESfrVC0y From egdirdle2013@... Thu Oct 31 11:03:42 2013 From: egdirdle2013@... (egdirdle2013@...) Date: 31 Oct 2013 03:03:42 -0700 Subject: A Karl Tape Early July 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When recording certainly but will check when just playing. However I can only get audio if Audacity is on record and pause. ---In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Don't know if you saw my earlier comment but I wondered if Audacity had reverted to mic in as the input which can cause a thin and distorted sound. Or perhaps the deck is connected to the mic in socket? Do you hear the popping when just playing the tape through the PC , or when recording or on audacity playback or just in the final mp3? From stuartb@... Thu Oct 31 13:36:06 2013 From: stuartb@... (stuartb@...) Date: 31 Oct 2013 05:36:06 -0700 Subject: A Karl Tape Early July 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would double check the cassette deck is connected to a blue input on your sound card not pink. Some sound card give you an option to change if it is a mic or line in when you plug in a jack and this must be set to line in. If you can't hear audio when not recording then you may have enabled software playthrough And you may need to enable monitoring as described hereTo listen while Audacity is recording, enable what is known as hardware or software playthrough as explained below. If you use software playthrough and want to listen to the input without recording it, you must also left-click in the right-hand (recording) section of Meter Toolbar to turn on monitoring But you should be able to hear audio even without audacity running just make sure that the windows or sound card playback mixer is set to line in, or if not available what you hear. If there is still popping and you are using line in turn down record level or tape output level if available. Use headphones directly on the tape deck to double check the popping is not coming from the deck or connect line out to a HiFi. Hope some of that helps! From rockerq@... Thu Oct 31 19:02:11 2013 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [peel] Wedding Present In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D0A47A7517BBCD-1828-22D5E@...> Just a quick one as I know there's a few Wedding Present fans on here - If you're coming to see them at Shepherd's Bush Empire tomorrow, do try and get there early - my band The Flatmates are one of the supports - we'll be on just after 8 I think! Cheers! Rocker From koogy@... Thu Oct 31 22:56:11 2013 From: koogy@... (koogy@...) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:56:11 -0000 Subject: [peel] Wedding Present In-Reply-To: <8D0A47A7517BBCD-1828-22D5E@...> References: <8D0A47A7517BBCD-1828-22D5E@...> Message-ID: > Just a quick one as I know there's a few Wedding Present fans on here - If > you're coming to see them at Shepherd's Bush Empire tomorrow, do try and > get there early - my band The Flatmates are one of the supports - we'll be > on just after 8 I think! > > Cheers! > > Rocker first time i saw the wedding present live the flatmates were supporting (derby, feb '88 or so). plus i live walking distance from the empire... andy From robfleay@... Thu Oct 31 23:20:09 2013 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:20:09 +0000 Subject: [peel] Wedding Present In-Reply-To: References: <8D0A47A7517BBCD-1828-22D5E@...> Message-ID: That was Nottingham Trent Poly - they didn't play Derby on that tour, I had to travel to Notts - my first Wedding Present gig! Now the drummer from my old local band is drumming for the Flatmates..whoddathunkit?? On 31 October 2013 21:56, wrote: > > Just a quick one as I know there's a few Wedding Present fans on here - > If > > you're coming to see them at Shepherd's Bush Empire tomorrow, do try and > > get there early - my band The Flatmates are one of the supports - we'll > be > > on just after 8 I think! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > first time i saw the wedding present live the flatmates were supporting > (derby, feb '88 or so). plus i live walking distance from the empire... > > andy > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > > From haze.harrison@... Thu Oct 31 23:23:34 2013 From: haze.harrison@... (haze_harrison) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:23:34 -0000 Subject: Wedding Present In-Reply-To: <8D0A47A7517BBCD-1828-22D5E@...> Message-ID: I've just been working on an OOBS from the Gumtree Tapes where Mark R. opens the show with "I Could Be In Heaven"..... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Just a quick one as I know there's a few Wedding Present fans on here - If you're coming to see them at Shepherd's Bush Empire tomorrow, do try and get there early - my band The Flatmates are one of the supports - we'll be on just after 8 I think! > > Cheers! > > Rocker >