I Hear These Sounds In My Head....

[ken]

UPDATE: I forwarded the discussion to the man who amde the off air tapes all those years ago, and he thinks that's not pre-echo. John Cavanagh says "The sound you heard is too trebly to be pre-echo (or "print through" to give it the correct name) anyway, so that's certainly not what caused it. The pre-echo thing tends to sound muffled. How it occurs is when the magnetic media imparts a little "ghost" of itself on the adjacent piece of tape on the spool. Studio recording was, almost exclusively, made on the thickest grade of tape, standard play."

My thinking is, if it occurs precisely at the same point on two off-air tapes, then the likelihod of it being precisely the same error on both HIS tapes, and this kind of error not occuring at any other point, must be millions to one!

So we're maybe back to square one...

k

--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken" <ken_garner@...> wrote:
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> all news to me. that sounds the logical explanation. I knew about head out (bbc) or tail out (record companies), but not of these specific side effects or indeed what they might be or sound like! thanks. I have learned something new today
> 
> k
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> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty997881" <unity.gain@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ken
> >      Not sure about a trim-phone, but I'm fairly sure I can hear a bit of 'pre-echo' just before the second note  of that slide phrase.
> >  It can happen when a tape that was recorded a bit 'hot' is not stored properly, ie. is kept 'head' out instead of 'tail out', as it should be. 
> >  The result is 'print through' where some of the tape is imprinted with signal from the layer above, forming a kind of echo in reverse.
> >  Storing a tape tail out, doesn't actually prevent print-through, but at least it comes out as a proper echo, which is more acceptable.
> >  The classic example is the "Waaaaay down inside...." solo in the middle of 'Whole Lotta Love', but then that is so noticeable, I have a feeling they must have done it deliberately.
> >  But of course you know all this!
> > Cheers
> > Roger
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken" <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Am I going mad, or can anyone else hear, about 15 seconds in to the playing of the old "Pickin The Blues" Peel sig by Grinderswitch in full, in the John Cav tapes of shows of 19/12/75 and 28/12/76, the utterly unmistakeable sound in the left channel of a seventies trim-phone ringing, twice? It's under the start and end of the first slide guitar phrase.
> > > 
> > > I only noticed listening loud on headphones during ripping monitoring, and at first and second times tore them off believing a phone had rung somewhere in the house!
> > > 
> > > If anyone agrees this extraneous sound is there, (a) is it what I think it is?, and (b) how did it get there?
> > > 
> > > Is it on the original single or LP master?
> > > 
> > > Or did it creep in when Peel or Walters were maybe making a full reel copy for repeated sig purposes?
> > > 
> > > Or am I just going mad?
> > > 
> > > ken
> > >
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