From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Mar 1 03:43:20 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:43:20 -0000 Subject: Best Of Peel Vol 29 Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Another trip down memory lane courtesy of Mike. Mixtape title: Best Of Peel Vol 29 Sessions: Prophecy Of Doom #2, Exit Condition Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_29 Thanks, Mike! Best wishes Steve [TK] From robfleay@... Mon Mar 1 11:06:45 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:06:45 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Bpeel=5D_An_=ADaffront_to_the_memory_of_John_Peel=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003010206g1d7b69eap893af9f48d952765@...> I had look at the listening figures from last year. Quite interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2009/05_may/07/rajar.shtml It would be an interesting experiment to do a digital/FM swap between Radio 3 (check out their listening figures compared to the rest of the FM BBC stations)and 6Music for a year. A shame they would never have the balls to do it. If 6music was on FM the ratings for Radio 1& 2 would probably fall through the floor On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Martin Wheatley < martinw@...> wrote: > At 15:50 28/02/2010, you wrote: > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/feb/27/bbc-to-cancel-6-music > > > > The real loss if 6Music went is that they are the only > BBC station that regularly plays sessions and concerts > from the BBC archives > > martinw > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From martinw@... Mon Mar 1 13:23:14 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:23:14 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[peel]_An_=ADaffront_to_the_memory_of_?= John Peel. In-Reply-To: <7a3fcd0a1003010206g1d7b69eap893af9f48d952765@... m> References: <7a3fcd0a1003010206g1d7b69eap893af9f48d952765@...> Message-ID: At 10:06 01/03/2010, you wrote: > > >I had look at the listening figures from last year. Quite interesting > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2009/05_may/07/rajar.shtml > >It would be an interesting experiment to do a digital/FM swap >between Radio 3 (check out their listening figures compared to the >rest of the FM BBC stations)and 6Music for a year. > >A shame they would never have the balls to do it. If 6music was on >FM the ratings for Radio 1& 2 would probably fall through the floor And if they put another figure in there which they never do - the cost of running the stations I think you will find that Radio 3 is right up the top There has always been a belief in the higher echelons of the BBC that the only forms of music that matter are classical and jazz. As a result Radio 3 is sacrosanct martinw From john.bravin@... Mon Mar 1 22:36:11 2010 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:36:11 +0100 Subject: '6Music threat' from today's Indy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8C334B.9010404@...> Nicholas Lezard: If you could see the BBC now, John ... Dear John Peel, Forgive the impertinence of my writing to you care of the afterlife, but I thought you'd better know about what's been going on down here lately. The bad news is that there are some stories going around that the BBC, anxious to make cuts for some reason, are going to close down 6Music, its main platform for independent, left-field music � or, in other words, the kind of stuff you used to champion, to the lasting influence of our cultural (or indeed counter-cultural) heritage. Now, if this may not quite be the disaster that some people are claiming, there is no getting away from the idea that it's part of a process of artistic impoverishment which is a now inescapable part of the national climate. 6Music was never as influential as you were; this is down simply to its relative unavailability as a digital-only station. But it does its bit. It is as if the BBC thought: well, if this music is going to exist deliberately on the margins, then let it be marginalised. (One horrible irony is that the only good thing about the forthcoming compulsory digitalisation of radio � a development which we were once, not so long ago, assured would never happen � would have meant an enormous increase in 6Music's reach. Now it looks as though we will be getting the worst of both worlds.) But although 6Music might have been somewhat isolated, it was still a good deed in a naughty world (with the exception of the moronic DJ George Lamb � and even so, rebarbative though he might be, at least he plays the odd good track from time to time); one got the impression that nearly all its DJs had been informed by your discerning eclecticism. Some of them had even been inspired by your beautifully understated and ironic manner. But the corporation you worked for now perceives itself to be under threat, and from what I have heard of the higher BBC management, from people who have worked close to them recently (I am afraid I cannot name names), I do not expect them to be the kind of people who will stand up to bullying, should any bullying be in the offering. It does look, in fact, as though they are deciding to kowtow even before they have been asked to. So, in a way, it is horribly fitting that it is 6Music which is facing the chop. The virtues of the independent music sector always involved the courage to take risks, to go against the prevailing wisdom, and to question the status quo. Innovation was its raison d'�tre; and these are precisely the virtues which, being least amenable to control, are most despised and feared by the controllers. (That the Asian Network is also facing closure, at a time when you could say it is needed most, tells another grim story. Somehow I don't think you'd be very happy about that either.) And so once more, as when you started out, it is going to become hard for someone with open ears to help us expand our musical horizons. The net can only do so much; what it cannot do is provide for us a voice sane and unafraid, broadcasting itself to a nation, all at once, saying: Try this, you might just like it. From stuartb@... Tue Mar 2 00:27:35 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:27:35 -0000 Subject: Mixtape 1984 #3 Message-ID: Another in a series of mixtapes from Weatherman22 / Stuart / mantoid2 Edited highlights from (several shows in late September and early November). Side 1 is mostly excellent FM stereo recording but with occasional tape dropouts. Side 2 is mixed FM Stereo and FM Mono with occasional tape dropouts, normally only on 1 channel. (Term-time recordings tended to be mono between 1981 and 1985) Tape includes complete session by Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds in high quality. Some session tracks from Float Up C.P., Smiths and Popticians http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mydibiq5ztd http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Peel_Late_Sep_Early_Nov_1984#File Stuart From parkermike81@... Tue Mar 2 01:36:27 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 00:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Mixtape 1984 #3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <772654.84273.qm@...> thanks for these,good to hear the popticians again, i seem to recall the singer having a fixation about his glasses,fortunately for him i dont think specsavers were around then,he`d have only ended up losing both pairs for two for the price of one, cheers your honourable mp. --- On Mon, 1/3/10, Stuart wrote: From: Stuart Subject: [peel] Mixtape 1984 #3 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 1 March, 2010, 23:27   Another in a series of mixtapes from Weatherman22 / Stuart / mantoid2 Edited highlights from (several shows in late September and early November). Side 1 is mostly excellent FM stereo recording but with occasional tape dropouts. Side 2 is mixed FM Stereo and FM Mono with occasional tape dropouts, normally only on 1 channel. (Term-time recordings tended to be mono between 1981 and 1985) Tape includes complete session by Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds in high quality. Some session tracks from Float Up C.P., Smiths and Popticians http://www.mediafir e.com/download. php?mydibiq5ztd http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Peel_ Late_Sep_ Early_Nov_ 1984#File Stuart From M.Luetchford@... Tue Mar 2 01:52:15 2010 From: M.Luetchford@... (MARK LUETCHFORD) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 00:52:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Mixtape 1984 #3 In-Reply-To: <772654.84273.qm@...> References: <772654.84273.qm@...> Message-ID: <299695.84999.qm@...> Seconded singer - John Hegley is still waging war on contact lenses  and doing benefits for causes ... worth catching if you get the chance. http://www.johnhegley.co.uk/thistour/index.htm ________________________________ From: Mike Parker To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 March, 2010 0:36:27 Subject: Re: [peel] Mixtape 1984 #3   thanks for these,good to hear the popticians again, i seem to recall the singer having a fixation about his glasses,fortunately for him i dont think specsavers were around then,he`d have only ended up losing both pairs for two for the price of one, cheers your honourable mp. --- On Mon, 1/3/10, Stuart wrote: >From: Stuart >Subject: [peel] Mixtape 1984 #3 >To: peel@yahoogroups. com >Date: Monday, 1 March, 2010, 23:27 > > >  >Another in a series of mixtapes from Weatherman22 / Stuart / mantoid2 > >Edited highlights from (several shows in late September and early November). >Side 1 is mostly excellent FM stereo recording but with occasional tape dropouts. >Side 2 is mixed FM Stereo and FM Mono with occasional tape dropouts, normally only on 1 channel. (Term-time recordings tended to be mono between 1981 and 1985) > >Tape includes complete session by Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds in high quality. >Some session tracks from Float Up C.P., Smiths and Popticians > >http://www.mediafir e.com/download. php?mydibiq5ztd >http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Peel_ Late_Sep_ Early_Nov_ 1984#File > >Stuart > > From Phyll@... Tue Mar 2 14:02:53 2010 From: Phyll@... (Phyll@...) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:02:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [peel] An afront to the memory of John Peel In-Reply-To: <1267524330.151.30265.m5@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <7016725.2188561267534973416.JavaMail.www@wwinf3723> Personally i don't mind that Radio 3 gets a fair old slice of the BBC cake, but it does seem a little harsh on Radio 6, which seems to do better with it's share than Radio 1 does, when one considers that digital radio is still something of a ghetto (particularly when it comes to car radio listenership, which often forges listening habits). It's ironc that it's taken a whole channel 6Music to do the job that John Peel used to in his few hours a week, and it's never quite managed to fill his place in terms of bredth and quality of new music. From robfleay@... Tue Mar 2 15:28:16 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:28:16 +0000 Subject: [peel] An afront to the memory of John Peel In-Reply-To: <7016725.2188561267534973416.JavaMail.www@wwinf3723> References: <1267524330.151.30265.m5@yahoogroups.com> <7016725.2188561267534973416.JavaMail.www@wwinf3723> Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003020628g75a6fbf2if6cc3d2aea530fe@...> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:02 PM, wrote: > > It's ironc that it's taken a whole channel 6Music to do the job that John > Peel used to in his few hours a week, and it's never quite managed to fill > his place in terms of bredth and quality of new music. > I think you've nailed it there. At the risk of sounding sacreligious, the media reaction to the news seems to have taken a somewhat hysterical turn, but the BBC Strategy document makes for quite interesting reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/strategy_review/index.shtml Essentially it's admitting that for all the excellent alternative content on 6music, it is being marginalised by being DAB only and is probably being spread too thinly over an entire station. The bottom line is that it doesn't warrant the expense of a dedicated DAB station. Let's be honest, they used to be able to keep us happy with 6 hours of Peel a week.. The suggestion is that they won't stop delivering alternative content and new music and that the best output of 6music wil be moved across to Radio 1 and 2 in place of the excessive pop/pap that is already served by commercial stations. "The BBC will also review how some of 6 Music’s most distinctive programmes can be successfully transferred to other BBC radio stations, and how its support for new and specialist music can be sustained across the BBC." We can but cross our fingers that this is a move towards having some decent programming back on FM. The last time I listened into the classic Peel slot (11pm on a weeknight) they had some nob head interviewing the cast from Twilight at the premiere…and much as I've tried to like Zane Lowe, he really is unbearable. For all his "in new music we trust" babbling, last week I heard him play Neil Young and then deliver a patronising spiel explaining who he was and why we should like him. From dr_mango2004@... Tue Mar 2 16:21:01 2010 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:21:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: More 'Forty Nights in the Wildebeest' In-Reply-To: <788466.34519.qm@...> Message-ID: <474166.36956.qm@...> Writers Dan Freedman and Nick Romero were clearly fans of John Peel, as this ditty from episode 3 of the series (repeated last week on BBC7) shows. Originally broadcast in April 2000. http://www.mediafire.com/?wfnom5ahyuf DM From stuartb@... Tue Mar 2 22:39:45 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:39:45 -0000 Subject: New Mixtape Peel Early June 1984 Message-ID: Another mixtape! Tracks from 4 shows between the 5th and 13th June 1984. Session tracks from The Fall, Killing Joke, Die Zwei At The Rodeo, Julian Cope and Dead Can Dance. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jq5dzozzmqj http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Peel_Early_June_1984 A mix of very good stereo and OK'ish mono FM due to being recorded on my home and student accomodation kit. Stuart From stuartb@... Tue Mar 2 23:44:20 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:44:20 -0000 Subject: Mixtape Mid Sep 1984 Message-ID: OK last one for a while. Some session tracks from Wah!, Folk Devils, Farmers Boys, a tantalising unknown track from Scientist V Peter Chemist, and a fantastic gothy Flowerpot Men track. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?iyqjqjzummz http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Peel_Mid_Sep_1984 Stuart From stuartb@... Wed Mar 3 00:37:23 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:37:23 -0000 Subject: Best Of Peel Vol 29 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for that I thought we had come to the end of the run! I noticed there are a few missing entries in the list of Best Of on the wiki, were these ones ever shared? (Vols 2,3,6,7,8,11) Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Another trip down memory lane courtesy of Mike. > > Mixtape title: Best Of Peel Vol 29 > Sessions: Prophecy Of Doom #2, Exit Condition > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_29 > > Thanks, Mike! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From so_it_goes_2512@... Wed Mar 3 01:43:44 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:43:44 -0000 Subject: Best Of Peel Vol 29 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Stuart Yes, there are plenty more where that came from: when he wrote to me last, Mike mentioned a volume 63!!! so watch this space. The other volumes were shared, I just haven't got round to doing them (I made a note of this on the page I did for the series). Again, watch this space etc. Thanks for your appreciation Stuart, not enough of it going round these days (but still plenty of downloads). And thanks once again for your mixtapes: I'm downloading them now, although one of them (1984-06-05-13) is rather worryingly showing up as an application, not an mp3! Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > Thanks for that I thought we had come to the end of the run! > I noticed there are a few missing entries in the list of Best Of on the wiki, were these ones ever shared? (Vols 2,3,6,7,8,11) > > Stuart > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > Another trip down memory lane courtesy of Mike. > > > > Mixtape title: Best Of Peel Vol 29 > > Sessions: Prophecy Of Doom #2, Exit Condition > > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_29 > > > > Thanks, Mike! > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [TK] > > > From stuartb@... Wed Mar 3 07:12:46 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:12:46 -0000 Subject: Best Of Peel Vol 29 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I noticed that the first upload failed and the second upload caused Mediafaire to name the file 1.0.I renamed it but couldn't get the .mp3 extension to stick. Let me know if renaming the file works or not, I might need to re-up. Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Hi Stuart > > Yes, there are plenty more where that came from: when he wrote to me last, Mike mentioned a volume 63!!! so watch this space. > The other volumes were shared, I just haven't got round to doing them (I made a note of this on the page I did for the series). Again, watch this space etc. Thanks for your appreciation Stuart, not enough of it going round these days (but still plenty of downloads). > And thanks once again for your mixtapes: I'm downloading them now, although one of them (1984-06-05-13) is rather worryingly showing up as an application, not an mp3! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > > > Thanks for that I thought we had come to the end of the run! > > I noticed there are a few missing entries in the list of Best Of on the wiki, were these ones ever shared? (Vols 2,3,6,7,8,11) > > > > Stuart > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > > > Another trip down memory lane courtesy of Mike. > > > > > > Mixtape title: Best Of Peel Vol 29 > > > Sessions: Prophecy Of Doom #2, Exit Condition > > > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_29 > > > > > > Thanks, Mike! > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Steve [TK] > > > > > > From tressell@... Wed Mar 3 18:32:45 2010 From: tressell@... (ray_b2) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:32:45 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty 1990 'reloaded' Message-ID: Thanks to Stuart for the mixtapes, and here's my riposte - three complete shows from 1990. All were originally recorded onto C90s so I've tried to patch the joins with other sources. For some reason I didn't catch the first show (22/12/90) - was probably out having fun somewhere - but the others are intact. The 23/12 show was the one where Peel announced that some listeners would experience a break in transmission. I was one of the lucky ones to be affected, albeit briefly - I left the silence in as I thought it added an air of excitement and authenticity to the proceedings... 1990 FF: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0add6239b8b3356cab1eab3e9fa335caaaed8323c316db6c 3 x 3-hour shows split into 2 parts each. A little hiss present but otherwise decent quality. 256k MP3. From tressell@... Wed Mar 3 19:38:52 2010 From: tressell@... (ray_b2) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:38:52 -0000 Subject: Enough with the Festive Fifties already! Message-ID: Two more yuletide shows for you... this time chart rundowns only, but filling a bit of a gap in our fossil records for 1979. 27/12/79 (38 mins): http://www.mediafire.com/?agmnlzmmf4j 01/01/80 (36 mins): http://www.mediafire.com/?mykmjnhnhmj The 27/12 segment was missing a few seconds at the start & finish, which I was able to patch from other sources. I think both of these sound pretty respectable given their age; the 1/1 show in particular is significantly better than the copy previously posted. I do have other material from the 1979 rundown (session tracks & nos.50-20), but without Peel's links. Given that pretty much all of these tracks are available elsewhere, I don't plan on posting them here. A brief note about the 1/1 recording... I found, on a separate tape, a few seconds from what I believe to be the start of that show, when Peel allegedly played the infamous Martian Schoolgirls track. I added it to my 1/1 recording but I cannot be certain it belongs to this show (although it certainly sounds like it). From rayytann@... Thu Mar 4 00:10:22 2010 From: rayytann@... (jake) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:10:22 -0000 Subject: Enough with the Festive Fifties already! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks a million for these Ray! I've just been updating my remastered 1979 top 10 with the Peel links in your recording so I can listen to it on my way to work tomorrow - although what you posted is of such excellent quality that it's more than good enough for repeated listening anyway.... I'll do some more work on 20-11 at a later date. great stuff! rgs Jake --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ray_b2" wrote: > > Two more yuletide shows for you... this time chart rundowns only, but filling a bit of a gap in our fossil records for 1979. > > 27/12/79 (38 mins): http://www.mediafire.com/?agmnlzmmf4j > 01/01/80 (36 mins): http://www.mediafire.com/?mykmjnhnhmj > From rayytann@... Thu Mar 4 01:24:40 2010 From: rayytann@... (jake) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:24:40 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty 1990 'reloaded' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thanks again Ray - I didn't realise that your collection extended into the 1990s. I'll listen to these with pleasure over the next few days - all files downloaded and extracted with no problems. I don't suppose you have the 1995 festive 50? I'm missing some significant bits of the second half of that one.... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ray_b2" wrote: > > Thanks to Stuart for the mixtapes, and here's my riposte - three complete shows from 1990. All were originally recorded onto C90s so I've tried to patch the joins with other sources. For some reason I didn't catch the first show (22/12/90) - was probably out having fun somewhere - but the others are intact. > From tressell@... Thu Mar 4 02:34:14 2010 From: tressell@... (ray_b2) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:34:14 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty 1990 'reloaded' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, the Collection barely extends into the 1990s... that's the last of my Festive Fifties I fear. After the 1990 one I emigrated to sunnier, BBC-free climes, so I'm hoping someone else will come forward with whatever is missing. Glad to hear mediafire behaved for you though... took forever to get a clean upload. Ray --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "jake" wrote: > > > > thanks again Ray - I didn't realise that your collection extended into the 1990s. I'll listen to these with pleasure over the next few days - all files downloaded and extracted with no problems. > > I don't suppose you have the 1995 festive 50? I'm missing some significant bits of the second half of that one.... > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ray_b2" wrote: > > > > Thanks to Stuart for the mixtapes, and here's my riposte - three complete shows from 1990. All were originally recorded onto C90s so I've tried to patch the joins with other sources. For some reason I didn't catch the first show (22/12/90) - was probably out having fun somewhere - but the others are intact. > > > From ken_garner@... Thu Mar 4 14:56:21 2010 From: ken_garner@... (ken_garner) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:56:21 -0000 Subject: Peel and 6 Music? Message-ID: A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever made any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or its shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have actual evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of his last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... - ken From colinbray@... Fri Mar 5 08:41:08 2010 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:41:08 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an argument with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory of Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what he would have wanted.' It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may indeed be an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's philosophy. In my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even that is obviously very different to what he was doing. As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to appropriate Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I needed to say something. Cheers. Colin. * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to my argument To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: ken_garner@... Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever made any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or its shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have actual evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of his last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... - ken _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ From janbuxton@... Fri Mar 5 09:39:57 2010 From: janbuxton@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:39:57 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also uncomfortable with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and dislikes, human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in scope, in actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and some that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving even massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being unmoved by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like Ellie Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't perfect but its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without turning off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all day after all. -- Jan http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb http://twitter.com/janlbuxton On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an argument > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory of > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what he > would have wanted.' > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may indeed be > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's philosophy. In > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even that is > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to appropriate > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I needed > to say something. > > Cheers. > > Colin. > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to my > argument > > ------------------------------ > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > From: ken_garner@... > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever made > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or its > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have actual > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of his > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > - ken > > > > ------------------------------ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > now. > > From ken_garner@... Fri Mar 5 12:57:56 2010 From: ken_garner@... (ken_garner) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:57:56 -0000 Subject: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for my question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one could cite of his position. My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably express disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his relationship with his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation might find a solution. I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not all. Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime show on 6 Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits from the 50s, even a 78? I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up Radio 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not necessarily mean it's factually accurate. In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right kicking in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the address, was exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and girls playing not quite good enough indie. More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to continue, whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly coming from a different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as they often did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place for their approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows could be found homes on 1 and 2. But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on radios 1 or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Jan Buxton wrote: > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also uncomfortable > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and dislikes, > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in scope, in > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and some > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving even > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being unmoved > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like Ellie > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't perfect but > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without turning > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all day after > all. > > > -- > Jan > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an argument > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory of > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what he > > would have wanted.' > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may indeed be > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's philosophy. In > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even that is > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to appropriate > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I needed > > to say something. > > > > Cheers. > > > > Colin. > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to my > > argument > > > > ------------------------------ > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > From: ken_garner@... > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever made > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or its > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have actual > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of his > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > - ken > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > > now. > > > > > From eddie.duffy@... Fri Mar 5 14:10:17 2010 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:10:17 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9102B9.5020301@...> I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, especially given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would have been similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark Goodier band, that", or "one for Janice, I think". Eddie. On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: > > > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for > my question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one > could cite of his position. > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably > express disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his > relationship with his employers, and express a hope that reasonable > consultation might find a solution. > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music > somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not > all. Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime > show on 6 Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B > hits from the 50s, even a 78? > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up > Radio 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that > does not necessarily mean it's factually accurate. > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right > kicking in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the > address, was exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class > white boys and girls playing not quite good enough indie. > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to > continue, whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, > admittedly coming from a different broadcast environment age and > context, might argue, as they often did, is that actually what matters > is securing a guaranteed place for their approach within the > mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows > could be found homes on 1 and 2. > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on > radios 1 or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan > Buxton wrote: > > > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also > uncomfortable > > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and > dislikes, > > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in > scope, in > > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. > > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, > and some > > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From > giving even > > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being > unmoved > > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I > > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like > Ellie > > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't > perfect but > > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without > turning > > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all > day after > > all. > > > > > > -- > > Jan > > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an > argument > > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the > memory of > > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's > what he > > > would have wanted.' > > > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy > to an > > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may > indeed be > > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's > philosophy. In > > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and > even that is > > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to > appropriate > > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and > I needed > > > to say something. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > Colin. > > > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give > legitimacy to my > > > argument > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > From: ken_garner@... > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he > ever made > > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, > or its > > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to > have actual > > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in > one of his > > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > > - ken > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > From robfleay@... Fri Mar 5 15:53:41 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:53:41 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: <4B9102B9.5020301@...> References: <4B9102B9.5020301@...> Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003050653s606191a4s7099aef8e5b7b29e@...> I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing I've seen over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also annoying) Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band and I'm sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held nowhere near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back this up too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only station with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the 6music 24x7 program. Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some sort of strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, but if the worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre bands then I can live with that! The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to shift the best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, especially > given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and > illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say > threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would have been > similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark Goodier band, > that", or "one for Janice, I think". > > Eddie. > > > On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for my > question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one could > cite of his position. > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably express > disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his relationship with > his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation might find a > solution. > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music > somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not all. > Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime show on 6 > Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits from the > 50s, even a 78? > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up Radio > 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not > necessarily mean it's factually accurate. > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right kicking > in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the address, was > exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and girls > playing not quite good enough indie. > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to continue, > whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly coming from a > different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as they often > did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place for their > approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows > could be found homes on 1 and 2. > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on radios 1 > or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton > wrote: > > > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also > uncomfortable > > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and > dislikes, > > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in scope, > in > > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. > > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and > some > > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving > even > > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being > unmoved > > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I > > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like > Ellie > > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't perfect > but > > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without turning > > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all day > after > > all. > > > > > > -- > > Jan > > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an > argument > > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory > of > > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what > he > > > would have wanted.' > > > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an > > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may > indeed be > > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's > philosophy. In > > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even > that is > > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to > appropriate > > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I > needed > > > to say something. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > Colin. > > > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to > my > > > argument > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > From: ken_garner@... > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever > made > > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or > its > > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have > actual > > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of > his > > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > > - ken > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From k.j.beech@... Fri Mar 5 16:31:34 2010 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:31:34 -0000 Subject: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: <7a3fcd0a1003050653s606191a4s7099aef8e5b7b29e@...> Message-ID: I see your point , but just like peel's show they will be put on at some middle of the night spot- under the term specialest music. i think the refrance to peel come from their commitment to new music ,free plays and eclectic tastes (who else is playing can at 2 oclock in the afternoon) i have no problem easing listeners in with a daytime selection... as peel once said "just get the tunes out" --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing I've seen > over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also annoying) > > Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band and I'm > sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held nowhere > near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back this up > too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only station > with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of > standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the 6music 24x7 > program. > > Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some sort of > strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, but if the > worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre bands then > I can live with that! > > The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to shift the > best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, especially > > given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and > > illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say > > threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would have been > > similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark Goodier band, > > that", or "one for Janice, I think". > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for my > > question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one could > > cite of his position. > > > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably express > > disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his relationship with > > his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation might find a > > solution. > > > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music > > somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not all. > > Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime show on 6 > > Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits from the > > 50s, even a 78? > > > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up Radio > > 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not > > necessarily mean it's factually accurate. > > > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right kicking > > in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the address, was > > exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and girls > > playing not quite good enough indie. > > > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to continue, > > whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly coming from a > > different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as they often > > did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place for their > > approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. > > > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows > > could be found homes on 1 and 2. > > > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show > > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on radios 1 > > or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly > > > > ken > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton > > wrote: > > > > > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also > > uncomfortable > > > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > > > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and > > dislikes, > > > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in scope, > > in > > > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. > > > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and > > some > > > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving > > even > > > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being > > unmoved > > > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I > > > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like > > Ellie > > > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't perfect > > but > > > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without turning > > > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all day > > after > > > all. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jan > > > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > > > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > > > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > > > > > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an > > argument > > > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory > > of > > > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what > > he > > > > would have wanted.' > > > > > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an > > > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may > > indeed be > > > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's > > philosophy. In > > > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even > > that is > > > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to > > appropriate > > > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I > > needed > > > > to say something. > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > Colin. > > > > > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to > > my > > > > argument > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > From: ken_garner@ > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > > > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever > > made > > > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or > > its > > > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have > > actual > > > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of > > his > > > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > > > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > > > - ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From robfleay@... Fri Mar 5 17:30:37 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:30:37 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: References: <7a3fcd0a1003050653s606191a4s7099aef8e5b7b29e@...> Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003050830o6dc80371ve4de60983745d0ea@...> True enough, but these days with the iPlayer / Listen Again technology, being on in the middle of the night is not quite the graveyard shift it used to be With the pathetic DAB coverage round our way I only ever listened to 6Music on the iPlayer anyway (now I have an internet radio) On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, bty455834 wrote: > I see your point , but just like peel's show they will be put on at some > middle of the night spot- under the term specialest music. > > i think the refrance to peel come from their commitment to new music ,free > plays and eclectic tastes (who else is playing can at 2 oclock in the > afternoon) > > i have no problem easing listeners in with a daytime selection... > as peel once said "just get the tunes out" > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > > I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing I've seen > > over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also > annoying) > > > > Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band and I'm > > sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held nowhere > > near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back this > up > > too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only > station > > with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of > > standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the 6music > 24x7 > > program. > > > > Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some sort of > > strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, but if > the > > worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre bands > then > > I can live with that! > > > > The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to shift the > > best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, > especially > > > given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and > > > illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say > > > threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would have > been > > > similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark Goodier > band, > > > that", or "one for Janice, I think". > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for my > > > question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one > could > > > cite of his position. > > > > > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably express > > > disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his relationship > with > > > his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation might > find a > > > solution. > > > > > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music > > > somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not > all. > > > Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime show on > 6 > > > Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits from > the > > > 50s, even a 78? > > > > > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up > Radio > > > 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not > > > necessarily mean it's factually accurate. > > > > > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right > kicking > > > in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the address, was > > > exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and > girls > > > playing not quite good enough indie. > > > > > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to > continue, > > > whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly coming > from a > > > different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as they > often > > > did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place for > their > > > approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. > > > > > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best shows > > > could be found homes on 1 and 2. > > > > > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show > > > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on > radios 1 > > > or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly > > > > > > ken > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also > > > uncomfortable > > > > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > > > > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and > > > dislikes, > > > > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in > scope, > > > in > > > > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good > music. > > > > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and > > > some > > > > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving > > > even > > > > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being > > > unmoved > > > > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record > (I > > > > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like > > > Ellie > > > > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't > perfect > > > but > > > > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without > turning > > > > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all > day > > > after > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jan > > > > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > > > > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb < > http://rateyourmusic.com/%7Ejanb> > > > > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an > > > argument > > > > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the > memory > > > of > > > > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's > what > > > he > > > > > would have wanted.' > > > > > > > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy > to an > > > > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may > > > indeed be > > > > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's > > > philosophy. In > > > > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even > > > that is > > > > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > > > > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to > > > appropriate > > > > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I > > > needed > > > > > to say something. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > Colin. > > > > > > > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy > to > > > my > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > > From: ken_garner@ > > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > > > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest > over 6 > > > > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he > ever > > > made > > > > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, > or > > > its > > > > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to > have > > > actual > > > > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in > one of > > > his > > > > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but > my > > > > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > > > > - ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign > up > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From thebarguest@... Fri Mar 5 19:39:33 2010 From: thebarguest@... (Humphrey) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:39:33 -0000 Subject: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, but I think JP was very wise not liking Radiohead and Oasis, two bands that would not have been at all famous in 1980 ! Nothing personal, maybe it's an age thing .... The best band of the past few years was Magazine (reformed) ! When I were a lad ..... Regrads, Col Blimp --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Jan Buxton wrote: > > Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also uncomfortable > with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not > usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and dislikes, > human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in scope, in > actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good music. > Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, and some > that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From giving even > massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being unmoved > by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a record (I > question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like Ellie > Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't perfect but > its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without turning > off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all day after > all. > > > -- > Jan > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an argument > > with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the memory of > > Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's what he > > would have wanted.' > > > > It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy to an > > argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may indeed be > > an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's philosophy. In > > my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even that is > > obviously very different to what he was doing. > > > > As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to appropriate > > Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I needed > > to say something. > > > > Cheers. > > > > Colin. > > > > * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give legitimacy to my > > argument > > > > ------------------------------ > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > From: ken_garner@... > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 > > Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? > > > > > > A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest over 6 > > Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he ever made > > any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, or its > > shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to have actual > > evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in one of his > > last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, but my > > collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... > > - ken > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up > > now. > > > > > From janbuxton@... Fri Mar 5 20:04:20 2010 From: janbuxton@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:04:20 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5 March 2010 18:39, Humphrey wrote: > Sorry, but I think JP was very wise not liking Radiohead and Oasis, two bands that would not have been at all famous in 1980 ! >Nothing personal, maybe it's an age thing .... The best band of the past few years was Magazine (reformed) ! When I were a lad ..... Again nothing personal but Radiohead are indisputably on a shortlist for the greatest band of all time (to group them with Oasis is deeply unfair and inaccurate). But anyway, this gives me an excuse to post Ed from the bands thoughts on 6Music, (he invokes JP as well but I think the rest of what he says is perfectly reasonable) To whom it may concern, I am writing regarding the news today that 6 Music is going to be closed, in the hope that you reconsider this decision. To be honest I, along with a vast number of other musicians, music industry types and real music fans, are completely shocked and baffled by this news. I wonder if those who made this decision are actually aware of the hugely important role that 6 music plays in fostering and promoting new bands, as well as still playing the likes of the band that I am in. It literally is the radio lifeblood for music outside of the mainstream. Not to denigrate Radio's 1 and 2, but it really is the only station that puts music first, and that's from a punters point of view and not some bloke in a band. Nowhere else can you hear an archived session track from T Rex juxtaposed next to Midlake's latest release. As David Bowie, put it ... it keeps the spirit of John Peel alive. Please realise the impact and severity of closing this station down. It will be a huge blow for new bands and their labels. It's not enough to 'refocus' Radio's 1 and 2 as 6 music does a very specific thing. What you have with 6 Music is a gem of a radio station, it is doing what no other station in the world does or can possibly do. Remember it is also still relatively young, give it time. You also finally have a fantastic and seemingly settled line up of DJ's. Please get behind it and from what I can gather about it's annual budget of £6m, it surely punches way above it's weight in terms of cultural relevance and importance. Thank you for considering this. Ed O'Brien (Radiohead) Private Eye Number Crunching £7m - Total content spend last year on BBC 6 Music, which Mark Thompson plans to axe £21m - Total salary bill of "top 100 executives" at BBC, which Mark Thompson justifies because "we need the very best people in the world" £172m - Total overspend on building projects by BBC which Mark Thompson cannot justify at all -- Jan http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb http://twitter.com/janlbuxton From stuart@... Sat Mar 6 13:33:28 2010 From: stuart@... (Stuart Mchugh) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:33:28 +0000 Subject: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: <1267869754.308.51079.m5@yahoogroups.com> References: <1267869754.308.51079.m5@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <64D3FE40-11F3-4F97-9582-A1537516037C@...> I'm lucky enough to not have to listen to new music on the radio as I get sent more than enough, but it's clear that 6Music is *supposed* to be the alternative choice on UK radio. Plus, while the evening shows (as mentioned by Ken et al - Freakzone, Lard etc) are pretty groundbreaking, I'd quite like something a wee bit more 'edgy' during the day, when I'm in the kitchen etc. So I put on 6Music this morning. Turned it off shortly afterwards though. Andrew Collins is probably a typical presenter, music fan/ journo/semi-celebrity off the telly. The biggest problem is, for a station with 'Music' in its name, the amount of chat. 20 minutes, 3 songs. Entertaining enough blather, yes, but I can get that on Radio 2 (and in fact, I accidentally turned on Jonathan Ross, and it was the same format, Ross with a sidekick, wittering on, even down to the speech defect). Music played: Mumford and Sons, The Sweet, and Lloyd Cole. Playing when I got back from the shops: The Barenaked Ladies. I should point out that this was 6Music's musical choice. not R2! I blogged about this already - http://stuartmchugh.com/6musics- inevitable-demise. (I've realised that while I mention Peel's name twice there, I've managed to avoid suggesting what he might have made of it!) Since then the 'consultation has started - https:// consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/ consultation/consult_view I've made the point a few times - they state that the plan is to accommodate the "pop music" that 6Music plays onto Radios 1 and 2. The Beeb's lack of understanding of what 'pop' actually is means that 6Music was just about strangled at birth. No harm in trying to save it though. S On 6 Mar 2010, at 10:02, peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There are 7 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1a. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: ken_garner > 1b. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: Eddie Duffy > 1c. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: RobF > 1d. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: bty455834 > 1e. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: RobF > 1f. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: Humphrey > 1g. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > From: Jan Buxton > > > Messages > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1a. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "ken_garner" ken_garner@... ken_garner > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 4:10 am ((PST)) > > > > Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation > for my question. I would be far happier if there were actual > evidence one could cite of his position. > > My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably > express disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his > relationship with his employers, and express a hope that reasonable > consultation might find a solution. > > I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 > Music somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, > but not all. Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does > any daytime show on 6 Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, > forgotten pop & R&B hits from the 50s, even a 78? > > I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up > Radio 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that > does not necessarily mean it's factually accurate. > > In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right > kicking in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the > address, was exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class > white boys and girls playing not quite good enough indie. > > More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to > continue, whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, > admittedly coming from a different broadcast environment age and > context, might argue, as they often did, is that actually what > matters is securing a guaranteed place for their approach within > the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. > > This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best > shows could be found homes on 1 and 2. > > But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show > (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on > radios 1 or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Jan Buxton wrote: >> >> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >> uncomfortable >> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not >> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >> dislikes, >> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in >> scope, in >> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >> music. >> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, >> and some >> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >> giving even >> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for >> being unmoved >> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >> record (I >> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies >> like Ellie >> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >> perfect but >> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without >> turning >> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all >> day after >> all. >> >> >> -- >> Jan >> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >> >> >> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >>> argument >>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the >>> memory of >>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's >>> what he >>> would have wanted.' >>> >>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy >>> to an >>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >>> indeed be >>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >>> philosophy. In >>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and >>> even that is >>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>> >>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >>> appropriate >>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and >>> I needed >>> to say something. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Colin. >>> >>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >>> legitimacy to my >>> argument >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>> From: ken_garner@... >>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>> >>> >>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >>> over 6 >>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if >>> he ever made >>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his >>> programme, or its >>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >>> have actual >>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in >>> one of his >>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, >>> but my >>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... >>> - ken >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>> Sign up >>> now. >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1b. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "Eddie Duffy" eddie.duffy@... duff_eddie > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 5:28 am ((PST)) > > I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, > especially given that the reasons given for its closure are so > contradictory and illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the > BBC Have Your Say threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's > attitude would have been similar to his comments about certain > records: > "more of a Mark Goodier band, that", or "one for Janice, I think". > > Eddie. > > On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation for >> my question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one >> could cite of his position. >> >> My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably >> express disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his >> relationship with his employers, and express a hope that reasonable >> consultation might find a solution. >> >> I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music >> somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but not >> all. Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime >> show on 6 Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B >> hits from the 50s, even a 78? >> >> I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up >> Radio 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that >> does not necessarily mean it's factually accurate. >> >> In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right >> kicking in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the >> address, was exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class >> white boys and girls playing not quite good enough indie. >> >> More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to >> continue, whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, >> admittedly coming from a different broadcast environment age and >> context, might argue, as they often did, is that actually what >> matters >> is securing a guaranteed place for their approach within the >> mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. >> >> This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best >> shows >> could be found homes on 1 and 2. >> >> But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show >> (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on >> radios 1 or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly >> >> ken >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan >> Buxton wrote: >>> >>> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >> uncomfortable >>> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records >>> not >>> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >> dislikes, >>> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in >> scope, in >>> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >>> music. >>> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, >> and some >>> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >> giving even >>> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being >> unmoved >>> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >>> record (I >>> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like >> Ellie >>> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >> perfect but >>> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without >> turning >>> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all >> day after >>> all. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jan >>> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >>> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >>> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >>> >>> >>> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >> argument >>>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the >> memory of >>>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's >> what he >>>> would have wanted.' >>>> >>>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy >> to an >>>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >> indeed be >>>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >> philosophy. In >>>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and >> even that is >>>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>>> >>>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >> appropriate >>>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and >> I needed >>>> to say something. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Colin. >>>> >>>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >> legitimacy to my >>>> argument >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>>> From: ken_garner@... >>>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>>> >>>> >>>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >>>> over 6 >>>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if he >> ever made >>>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his programme, >> or its >>>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >> have actual >>>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in >> one of his >>>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, >>>> but my >>>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... >>>> - ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>>> Sign up >>>> now. > > >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1c. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "RobF" robfleay@... robfleay70 > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 6:57 am ((PST)) > > I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing > I've seen > over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also > annoying) > > Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band > and I'm > sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held > nowhere > near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back > this up > too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only > station > with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of > standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the > 6music 24x7 > program. > > Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some > sort of > strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, > but if the > worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre > bands then > I can live with that! > > The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to > shift the > best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy > wrote: > >> >> >> I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, >> especially >> given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory and >> illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your Say >> threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude would >> have been >> similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark >> Goodier band, >> that", or "one for Janice, I think". >> >> Eddie. >> >> >> On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation >> for my >> question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one >> could >> cite of his position. >> >> My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably >> express >> disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his >> relationship with >> his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation >> might find a >> solution. >> >> I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music >> somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but >> not all. >> Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime >> show on 6 >> Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits >> from the >> 50s, even a 78? >> >> I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat >> up Radio >> 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does not >> necessarily mean it's factually accurate. >> >> In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right >> kicking >> in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the >> address, was >> exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys >> and girls >> playing not quite good enough indie. >> >> More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to >> continue, >> whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly >> coming from a >> different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as >> they often >> did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place >> for their >> approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. >> >> This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best >> shows >> could be found homes on 1 and 2. >> >> But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show >> (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on >> radios 1 >> or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly >> >> ken >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton >> wrote: >>> >>> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >> uncomfortable >>> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records >>> not >>> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >> dislikes, >>> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in >>> scope, >> in >>> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >>> music. >>> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, >>> and >> some >>> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >>> giving >> even >>> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being >> unmoved >>> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >>> record (I >>> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies like >> Ellie >>> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >>> perfect >> but >>> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without >>> turning >>> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him >>> all day >> after >>> all. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jan >>> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >>> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >>> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >>> >>> >>> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >> argument >>>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the >>>> memory >> of >>>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie >>>> 'it's what >> he >>>> would have wanted.' >>>> >>>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give >>>> legitimacy to an >>>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >> indeed be >>>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >> philosophy. In >>>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and even >> that is >>>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>>> >>>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >> appropriate >>>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and I >> needed >>>> to say something. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Colin. >>>> >>>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >>>> legitimacy to >> my >>>> argument >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>>> From: ken_garner@... >>>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>>> >>>> >>>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >>>> over 6 >>>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if >>>> he ever >> made >>>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his >>>> programme, or >> its >>>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >>>> have >> actual >>>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in >>>> one of >> his >>>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, >>>> but my >>>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... >>>> - ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>>> Sign up >>>> now. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1d. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "bty455834" k.j.beech@... bty455834 > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 7:35 am ((PST)) > > I see your point , but just like peel's show they will be put on at > some middle of the night spot- under the term specialest music. > > i think the refrance to peel come from their commitment to new > music ,free plays and eclectic tastes (who else is playing can at 2 > oclock in the afternoon) > > i have no problem easing listeners in with a daytime selection... > as peel once said "just get the tunes out" > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: >> >> I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing >> I've seen >> over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also >> annoying) >> >> Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band >> and I'm >> sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held >> nowhere >> near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments back >> this up >> too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB- >> only station >> with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less chance of >> standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the >> 6music 24x7 >> program. >> >> Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some >> sort of >> strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, >> but if the >> worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre >> bands then >> I can live with that! >> >> The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to >> shift the >> best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. >> >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, >>> especially >>> given that the reasons given for its closure are so contradictory >>> and >>> illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have Your >>> Say >>> threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude >>> would have been >>> similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark >>> Goodier band, >>> that", or "one for Janice, I think". >>> >>> Eddie. >>> >>> >>> On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation >>> for my >>> question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence >>> one could >>> cite of his position. >>> >>> My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably >>> express >>> disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his >>> relationship with >>> his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation >>> might find a >>> solution. >>> >>> I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 Music >>> somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, but >>> not all. >>> Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime >>> show on 6 >>> Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits >>> from the >>> 50s, even a 78? >>> >>> I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat >>> up Radio >>> 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that does >>> not >>> necessarily mean it's factually accurate. >>> >>> In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right >>> kicking >>> in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the >>> address, was >>> exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys >>> and girls >>> playing not quite good enough indie. >>> >>> More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to >>> continue, >>> whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly >>> coming from a >>> different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as >>> they often >>> did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed place >>> for their >>> approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. >>> >>> This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best >>> shows >>> could be found homes on 1 and 2. >>> >>> But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show >>> (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots >>> on radios 1 >>> or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly >>> >>> ken >>> >>> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >>> uncomfortable >>>> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of >>>> records not >>>> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >>> dislikes, >>>> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious >>>> in scope, >>> in >>>> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >>>> music. >>>> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played >>>> anymore, and >>> some >>>> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >>>> giving >>> even >>>> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for being >>> unmoved >>>> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >>>> record (I >>>> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies >>>> like >>> Ellie >>>> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >>>> perfect >>> but >>>> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day >>>> without turning >>>> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him >>>> all day >>> after >>>> all. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jan >>>> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >>>> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >>>> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >>> argument >>>>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to >>>>> the memory >>> of >>>>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie >>>>> 'it's what >>> he >>>>> would have wanted.' >>>>> >>>>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give >>>>> legitimacy to an >>>>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >>> indeed be >>>>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >>> philosophy. In >>>>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and >>>>> even >>> that is >>>>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>>>> >>>>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >>> appropriate >>>>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days >>>>> and I >>> needed >>>>> to say something. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> Colin. >>>>> >>>>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >>>>> legitimacy to >>> my >>>>> argument >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>>>> From: ken_garner@ >>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>>>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >>>>> over 6 >>>>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if >>>>> he ever >>> made >>>>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his >>>>> programme, or >>> its >>>>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >>>>> have >>> actual >>>>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it >>>>> in one of >>> his >>>>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, >>>>> but my >>>>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of >>>>> sequence... >>>>> - ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>>>> Sign up >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1e. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "RobF" robfleay@... robfleay70 > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 8:51 am ((PST)) > > True enough, but these days with the iPlayer / Listen Again > technology, > being on in the middle of the night is not quite the graveyard > shift it used > to be > > With the pathetic DAB coverage round our way I only ever listened > to 6Music > on the iPlayer anyway (now I have an internet radio) > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, bty455834 > wrote: > >> I see your point , but just like peel's show they will be put on >> at some >> middle of the night spot- under the term specialest music. >> >> i think the refrance to peel come from their commitment to new >> music ,free >> plays and eclectic tastes (who else is playing can at 2 oclock in the >> afternoon) >> >> i have no problem easing listeners in with a daytime selection... >> as peel once said "just get the tunes out" >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: >>> >>> I do find myself confounded by some of the online hand-wringing >>> I've seen >>> over this (and yes the constant invocation of Peel's ghost is also >> annoying) >>> >>> Prior to the closure announcement you could ask anyone in a band >>> and I'm >>> sure they'd tell you that a 6music play or a 6music session held >>> nowhere >>> near the kudos of a play/session on Radio 1 (The PRS payments >>> back this >> up >>> too!) because at the end of the day you knew you were on a DAB-only >> station >>> with a limited audience. On top of that you stood even less >>> chance of >>> standing out amongst the droves of indie hopefuls who filled the >>> 6music >> 24x7 >>> program. >>> >>> Now the majority voice seems to be suggesting the closure is some >>> sort of >>> strangulation of the life blood of the independent music sector, >>> but if >> the >>> worst that happens is that we have to suffer a few less mediocre >>> bands >> then >>> I can live with that! >>> >>> The key thing is that the BBC do come good on their promise to >>> shift the >>> best of the 6music shows/DJ's to the main FM stations. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Eddie Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I like a lot of 6music's output, and I'm annoyed it's closing, >> especially >>>> given that the reasons given for its closure are so >>>> contradictory and >>>> illogical. But the invocation of Peel's name in the BBC Have >>>> Your Say >>>> threads did get a bit much. Myself, I reckon Peel's attitude >>>> would have >> been >>>> similar to his comments about certain records: "more of a Mark >>>> Goodier >> band, >>>> that", or "one for Janice, I think". >>>> >>>> Eddie. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/03/10 11:57, ken_garner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, Jan and Colin, your thinking is precisely the motivation >>>> for my >>>> question. I would be far happier if there were actual evidence one >> could >>>> cite of his position. >>>> >>>> My own feeling for what it's worth, is that John would probably >>>> express >>>> disappointment but not in such terms as to endanger his >>>> relationship >> with >>>> his employers, and express a hope that reasonable consultation >>>> might >> find a >>>> solution. >>>> >>>> I also dispute some of the claims going around casually that 6 >>>> Music >>>> somehow "REPRESENTS" his approach. Some of the programmes do, >>>> but not >> all. >>>> Very few are as wide ranging as his. How often does any daytime >>>> show on >> 6 >>>> Music play reggae, rap, happy hardcore, forgotten pop & R&B hits >>>> from >> the >>>> 50s, even a 78? >>>> >>>> I can understand people using this as a stick implicitly to beat up >> Radio >>>> 1's increasing failure to live up to Peel's legacy, but that >>>> does not >>>> necessarily mean it's factually accurate. >>>> >>>> In fact, I seem to recall when 6 Music launched I gave it a right >> kicking >>>> in the sunday express because the line up, the format, the >>>> address, was >>>> exactly Radio 1 evening show 1988: nice middle class white boys and >> girls >>>> playing not quite good enough indie. >>>> >>>> More trickily for those of us who genuinely would like 6 Music to >> continue, >>>> whatever our criticisms, I suspect he and Walters, admittedly >>>> coming >> from a >>>> different broadcast environment age and context, might argue, as >>>> they >> often >>>> did, is that actually what matters is securing a guaranteed >>>> place for >> their >>>> approach within the mainstream main channel(s), ie Radio 1 and 2. >>>> >>>> This is sort of what the BBC paper argues, that some of 6's best >>>> shows >>>> could be found homes on 1 and 2. >>>> >>>> But when Mark Reilly, the Freakzone and Craig Charles' R and B show >>>> (arguably 3 of 6 Music's strongest items) are given fixed slots on >> radios 1 >>>> or 2, well, I'll believe it when it happens, frankly >>>> >>>> ken >>>> >>>> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Jan Buxton >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >>>> uncomfortable >>>>> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of >>>>> records not >>>>> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >>>> dislikes, >>>>> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in >> scope, >>>> in >>>>> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >> music. >>>>> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played >>>>> anymore, and >>>> some >>>>> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >>>>> giving >>>> even >>>>> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for >>>>> being >>>> unmoved >>>>> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >>>>> record >> (I >>>>> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies >>>>> like >>>> Ellie >>>>> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >> perfect >>>> but >>>>> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without >> turning >>>>> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all >> day >>>> after >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jan >>>>> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >>>>> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >>>> 7Ejanb> < >> http://rateyourmusic.com/%7Ejanb> >>>>> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >>>> argument >>>>>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the >> memory >>>> of >>>>>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's >> what >>>> he >>>>>> would have wanted.' >>>>>> >>>>>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy >> to an >>>>>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >>>> indeed be >>>>>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >>>> philosophy. In >>>>>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and >>>>>> even >>>> that is >>>>>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >>>> appropriate >>>>>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days >>>>>> and I >>>> needed >>>>>> to say something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Colin. >>>>>> >>>>>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >>>>>> legitimacy >> to >>>> my >>>>>> argument >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>>>>> From: ken_garner@ >>>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>>>>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >> over 6 >>>>>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us >>>>>> if he >> ever >>>> made >>>>>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his >>>>>> programme, >> or >>>> its >>>>>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >> have >>>> actual >>>>>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in >> one of >>>> his >>>>>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in >>>>>> 2002, but >> my >>>>>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of >>>>>> sequence... >>>>>> - ken >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>>>>> Sign >> up >>>>>> now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1f. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "Humphrey" thebarguest@... thebarguest > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:54 am ((PST)) > > > > Sorry, but I think JP was very wise not liking Radiohead and Oasis, > two bands that would not have been at all famous in 1980 ! Nothing > personal, maybe it's an age thing .... The best band of the past > few years was Magazine (reformed) ! When I were a lad ..... > > Regrads, > Col Blimp > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Jan Buxton wrote: >> >> Its OK Colin, I'm a massive supporter of 6Music but I'm also >> uncomfortable >> with the use of Peel references. John Peel was 2 hours of records not >> usually played elsewhere, mostly new, and he had his own likes and >> dislikes, >> human imperfections etc. 6Music is in many ways more ambitious in >> scope, in >> actually attempting to have a 24/7 station that just plays good >> music. >> Within that new music, old music that doesn't get played anymore, >> and some >> that does, weird music, genre music, straightahead music. From >> giving even >> massive bands like Radiohead (btw I will never forgive JP for >> being unmoved >> by there Glasto 97 performance) play next time they release a >> record (I >> question how much interest R1 and R2 will have), to the newbies >> like Ellie >> Goulding etc. From Daytime to the Freak Zone. And 6Music isn't >> perfect but >> its a radio station I can switch on and listen to all day without >> turning >> off. But it isn't John Peel, I probably couldn't listen to him all >> day after >> all. >> >> >> -- >> Jan >> http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ >> http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb >> http://twitter.com/janlbuxton >> >> >> On 5 March 2010 07:41, colin bray wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I don't know the answer, Ken, but without wishing to get into an >>> argument >>> with those who think the ending of 6 Music is an 'affront to the >>> memory of >>> Peel' I always worry about a deceased person being cited ie 'it's >>> what he >>> would have wanted.' >>> >>> It feels like the name of Peel is being played to give legitimacy >>> to an >>> argument and I don't think he would have liked that*. 6 Music may >>> indeed be >>> an excellent station but it doesn't seek to replicate Peel's >>> philosophy. In >>> my opinion the nearest we have to Peel's show is Dandelion and >>> even that is >>> obviously very different to what he was doing. >>> >>> As I say, not picking a fight with anybody and not seeking to >>> appropriate >>> Ken's question but this has been nagging at me for a few days and >>> I needed >>> to say something. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Colin. >>> >>> * I know, I know, this is akin to using his name to give >>> legitimacy to my >>> argument >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >>> From: ken_garner@... >>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 >>> Subject: [peel] Peel and 6 Music? >>> >>> >>> A number of people have been citing Peel as part of the protest >>> over 6 >>> Music's (possible) fate. I wonder if anyone here can tell us if >>> he ever made >>> any comment on air about it, in the last 2 years of his >>> programme, or its >>> shows and presenters, positive or otherwise? Might be useful to >>> have actual >>> evidence. Just a thought. It is just possible he mentioned it in >>> one of his >>> last Radio Times columns, which I think ended sometime in 2002, >>> but my >>> collection of these is incomplete and hopelessly out of sequence... >>> - ken >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >>> Sign up >>> now. >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > 1g. Re: Peel and 6 Music? > Posted by: "Jan Buxton" janbuxton@... sidings > Date: Fri Mar 5, 2010 11:14 am ((PST)) > > On 5 March 2010 18:39, Humphrey wrote: >> Sorry, but I think JP was very wise not liking Radiohead and >> Oasis, two bands that would not have been at all famous in 1980 ! >> >Nothing personal, maybe it's an age thing .... The best band of >> the past few years was Magazine (reformed) ! When I were a lad ..... > > Again nothing personal but Radiohead are indisputably on a shortlist > for the greatest band of all time (to group them with Oasis is deeply > unfair and inaccurate). But anyway, this gives me an excuse to post Ed > from the bands thoughts on 6Music, > > (he invokes JP as well but I think the rest of what he says is > perfectly reasonable) > > To whom it may concern, > I am writing regarding the news today that 6 Music is going to be > closed, in the hope that you reconsider this decision. To be honest I, > along with a vast number of other musicians, music industry types and > real music fans, are completely shocked and baffled by this news. I > wonder if those who made this decision are actually aware of the > hugely important role that 6 music plays in fostering and promoting > new bands, as well as still playing the likes of the band that I am > in. It literally is the radio lifeblood for music outside of the > mainstream. Not to denigrate Radio's 1 and 2, but it really is the > only station that puts music first, and that's from a punters point of > view and not some bloke in a band. Nowhere else can you hear an > archived session track from T Rex juxtaposed next to Midlake's latest > release. As David Bowie, put it ... it keeps the spirit of John Peel > alive. > Please realise the impact and severity of closing this station down. > It will be a huge blow for new bands and their labels. It's not enough > to 'refocus' Radio's 1 and 2 as 6 music does a very specific thing. > What you have with 6 Music is a gem of a radio station, it is doing > what no other station in the world does or can possibly do. Remember > it is also still relatively young, give it time. You also finally have > a fantastic and seemingly settled line up of DJ's. Please get behind > it and from what I can gather about it's annual budget of £6m, it > surely punches way above it's weight in terms of cultural relevance > and importance. > Thank you for considering this. > Ed O'Brien (Radiohead) > > > Private Eye Number Crunching > £7m - Total content spend last year on BBC 6 Music, which Mark > Thompson plans to axe > £21m - Total salary bill of "top 100 executives" at BBC, which Mark > Thompson justifies because "we need the very best people in the world" > £172m - Total overspend on building projects by BBC which Mark > Thompson cannot justify at all > > -- > Jan > http://janb1982.blogspot.com/ > http://rateyourmusic.com/~janb > http://twitter.com/janlbuxton > > > > > > Messages in this topic (10) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Stuart Mchugh po box 13516 linlithgow eh49 6wb ... t: 01506 840063 ... e: editor@... From dr_mango2004@... Sat Mar 6 15:10:59 2010 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:10:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Peel and 6 Music? In-Reply-To: <64D3FE40-11F3-4F97-9582-A1537516037C@...> Message-ID: <107248.70722.qm@...> There was an article by Pierre Perrone in the Independent yesterday, entitled "Is BBC 6 Music actually worth saving?". It echoes a lot of the points already made here, especially with regard to the invoking of Peel's name in arguments. The fact that 6 Music has a playlist and often seems to be act as a promotional tool for certain bands and labels is an obvious difference in approach. http://tinyurl.com/yjzuyz6 DM From robfleay@... Sat Mar 6 20:32:03 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:32:03 +0000 Subject: Various Obscure Peel Sessions Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003061132n3987cc10labc04dcb7675b0de@...> Don't think this has been plugged here - but Cliff Richard's Neck blog has recently posted several batches of obscure Peel Sessions (and some Kershaw) mostly from the 80's (in pretty decent quality) The author posted loads of Peel Sessions in the past but the blog has been dormant since last April. These 4 batches have all arrived since xmas A lot of these I've never heard before so they're not just recycled from the 17 DVD torrent. Particularly grateful for the Wedding Present Kershaw 1985 session as this is the only BBC session that hasn't had a full official release I think. http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/14-more-sessions.html http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/2nd-batch-of-peel-sessions-for-2010.html http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/more-sessions-peel-kershaw.html http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/happy-belated-new-year.html Search the blog for "session" to find all the old ones too From martinw@... Sun Mar 7 00:15:13 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:15:13 +0000 Subject: [peel] Various Obscure Peel Sessions In-Reply-To: <7a3fcd0a1003061132n3987cc10labc04dcb7675b0de@... m> References: <7a3fcd0a1003061132n3987cc10labc04dcb7675b0de@...> Message-ID: At 19:32 06/03/2010, you wrote: > > >Don't think this has been plugged here - but Cliff Richard's Neck >blog has recently posted several batches of obscure Peel Sessions >(and some Kershaw) mostly from the 80's (in pretty decent quality) > >The author posted loads of Peel Sessions in the past but the blog >has been dormant since last April. These 4 batches have all arrived since xmas > >A lot of these I've never heard before so they're not just recycled >from the 17 DVD torrent. Particularly grateful for the Wedding >Present Kershaw 1985 session as this is the only BBC session that >hasn't had a full official release I think. > >http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/14-more-sessions.html > >http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/2nd-batch-of-peel-sessions-for-2010.html > >http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/more-sessions-peel-kershaw.html > >http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.com/2010/02/happy-belated-new-year.html > >Search the blog for "session" to find all the old ones too > Thanks There were some I didn't have martinw From saipanda@... Sun Mar 7 10:07:02 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:07:02 -0000 Subject: nag's head 1970s Message-ID: Hi folks, Not sure if it's of interest to everyone, but came across this link a streamed BBC doc on the Nag's Head in Wollaston (Northants), where Peel had a regular Friday gig in the early 70s and was big mates with the guy who ran it, "Big Bob" Knight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/content/articles/2006/04/17/nags_head_feature.shtml Peel is pretty heavily featured in the programme, although there are no interviews with him. Includes his role in getting the Faces to play there at the height of the band's fame. Cheers, Steve W From thebarguest@... Sun Mar 7 15:10:43 2010 From: thebarguest@... (Humphrey) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:43 -0000 Subject: Glastonbury 2002 Message-ID: I've just uploaded to Demonoid a 2hr dvd of Glas 2002 with JP the main presenter. There's much banter and John gets a massage at one point ! The music's pretty good generally - thankfully Coldplay not included ! From stemail1@... Sun Mar 7 16:21:30 2010 From: stemail1@... (steve lippert) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: John at Tribal Gathering, 1997 Message-ID: <18318.4835.qm@...> Hi All, Wondered if anybody had a copy of John at Tribal Gathering, in 1997. I was there and he played a great set, including a couple of hilarious cock-ups, if I recall correctly! Would love to hear that set again. All the best, Steve From eddie.duffy@... Sun Mar 7 16:38:58 2010 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:38:58 +0000 Subject: [peel] Glastonbury 2002 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B93C892.1040207@...> Many thanks, Humph! As expected, a mix of the good, bad and "worth checking out" in the mix there. And I think I can live with the Stereophonics' set being cut short... Speaking of Rod Stewart (and the Stereophonics), has anyone caught the trailers for that thing on ITV3 or somewhere over the past weeks? An audience of Bacardi Breezered hen party types clapping along to someone doing a bad karaoke version of Rod Stewart - who of course turned out to be the man himself. Hideous; gets switched to mute quicker than the bloody Halifax adverts. Eddie. On 07/03/10 14:10, Humphrey wrote: > > I've just uploaded to Demonoid a 2hr dvd of Glas 2002 with JP the main > presenter. There's much banter and John gets a massage at one point ! > > The music's pretty good generally - thankfully Coldplay not included ! > > From thebarguest@... Sun Mar 7 20:24:19 2010 From: thebarguest@... (Humphrey) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:24:19 -0000 Subject: Glastonbury 2002 In-Reply-To: <4B93C892.1040207@...> Message-ID: That Rod ad sounds amusing ! Me, I'm sick of seeing Mr I. Pop's taut face all over every train station I pass through ..... And on tv. Must be one of the biggest ad "campaigns" of all time. Poor Mr Osterburg - he's sold his cred for lucre ..... Regrads, The Passenger --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > Many thanks, Humph! As expected, a mix of the good, bad and "worth > checking out" in the mix there. And I think I can live with the > Stereophonics' set being cut short... > > Speaking of Rod Stewart (and the Stereophonics), has anyone caught the > trailers for that thing on ITV3 or somewhere over the past weeks? An > audience of Bacardi Breezered hen party types clapping along to someone > doing a bad karaoke version of Rod Stewart - who of course turned out to > be the man himself. Hideous; gets switched to mute quicker than the > bloody Halifax adverts. > > Eddie. > > On 07/03/10 14:10, Humphrey wrote: > > > > I've just uploaded to Demonoid a 2hr dvd of Glas 2002 with JP the main > > presenter. There's much banter and John gets a massage at one point ! > > > > The music's pretty good generally - thankfully Coldplay not included ! > > > > > From stuartb@... Thu Mar 11 01:10:38 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:10:38 -0000 Subject: Another listener writes before they were famous... Message-ID: After nearly falling off my barstool (had I been on one) twice recently listening to old JP shows when he read out requests from a) a pre-famous "Pete Wylie of Liverpool" and b) a current workmate of mine who gave him the request at a small gig I was also at, before we knew each other 29 years previously; the same has just happened to me a third time while wikifying the show of 31st March 1991, when a Stuart Murdoch of Ayr (think Belle and Sebastian) was announced as one of the winners of the Orb competition. Stuart From parkermike81@... Thu Mar 11 17:05:58 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:05:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Another listener writes before they were famous... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227862.26341.qm@...> listening to 1990-12-23 part 1 at work today and ''rocker'' get`s a mention [53.13 into the show] --- On Thu, 11/3/10, Stuart wrote: From: Stuart Subject: [peel] Another listener writes before they were famous... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 0:10   After nearly falling off my barstool (had I been on one) twice recently listening to old JP shows when he read out requests from a) a pre-famous "Pete Wylie of Liverpool" and b) a current workmate of mine who gave him the request at a small gig I was also at, before we knew each other 29 years previously; the same has just happened to me a third time while wikifying the show of 31st March 1991, when a Stuart Murdoch of Ayr (think Belle and Sebastian) was announced as one of the winners of the Orb competition. Stuart From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Mar 12 03:56:26 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:56:26 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: Peel the Promenader Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Show date: 28 July 1995 (first half of show) Sessions: Bandulu, Pussy Crush Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_July_1995 Thanks again to Colin and Lorcan. As a former regular attendee at the RAH, I can confirm John's memories of the venue. Best wishes Steve [TK] From saipanda@... Fri Mar 12 04:56:33 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:56:33 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: Peel the Promenader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks as always to Steve and Colin for our weekend treat. Looking forward to listening to this. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Show date: 28 July 1995 (first half of show) > Sessions: Bandulu, Pussy Crush > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_July_1995 > > Thanks again to Colin and Lorcan. As a former regular attendee at the RAH, I can confirm John's memories of the venue. > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From sdmaclean@... Fri Mar 12 18:40:06 2010 From: sdmaclean@... (stanleyarms) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:40:06 -0000 Subject: Another listener writes before they were famous... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Before I was famous (!), we had an earthquake here in Seattle, Feb 28 2001 (remember it since Mum's bday). I was listening to Peel at work and mailed him about it. News filtered through to BBC about the quake and I became Peel's man-on-the-spot, I think he read 3 or 4 mails on air. I wonder if that show is available anywhere, I have never figured out all these show archives. I always smiled at how some people's name and locations sounded so 'right' when he read them out, I think it must have been the syllable count plus the delivery. My own favourite was "Michael Day of Portland, Oregon'. And of course Mick Ashman was a great name to hear. Waah, I used to get a mention in the Thank Yous on the rocklist.net festive fifty page, seems like it has been, ahem, redesigned ;) Stuart From parkermike81@... Fri Mar 12 19:00:07 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Re: 500 Box: Peel the Promenader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <657517.37631.qm@...> yep absolutely,this is going to be better than anything on the square box or anything out of the dab box this weekend come to think of it, beats the bulk of 6 music`s output by a country mile, who needs new bands when i`m still discovering old one`s godddamit . cheers your honourable mp. On Fri, 12/3/10, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: [peel] Re: 500 Box: Peel the Promenader To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 3:56   Many thanks as always to Steve and Colin for our weekend treat. Looking forward to listening to this. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Show date: 28 July 1995 (first half of show) > Sessions: Bandulu, Pussy Crush > Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/28_July_ 1995 > > Thanks again to Colin and Lorcan. As a former regular attendee at the RAH, I can confirm John's memories of the venue. > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From parkermike81@... Fri Mar 12 23:31:59 2010 From: parkermike81@... (parkermike81) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:31:59 -0000 Subject: i`ll have you thrown off the island Message-ID: fellow peel parisioners--------------------> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] From diane.aguilar@... Sat Mar 13 04:17:15 2010 From: diane.aguilar@... (Diane Aguilar) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:17:15 -0600 Subject: [peel] New Mixtape Peel Early June 1984 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <841912591003121917o680d054fmdddd1c8e01b9e8ff@...> Music for Pleasure followed by "Here Come Cowboys" by the Psychedelic Furs? "Wardance" by Killing Joke? Am I going to download this and then squeal excitedly upon first listen? Is the Pope Catholic? :D Thanks and hi all, Diane On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Stuart wrote: > > > Another mixtape! Tracks from 4 shows between the 5th and 13th June 1984. > Session tracks from The Fall, Killing Joke, Die Zwei At The Rodeo, Julian > Cope and Dead Can Dance. > http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jq5dzozzmqj > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Peel_Early_June_1984 > > A mix of very good stereo and OK'ish mono FM due to being recorded on my > home and student accomodation kit. > > Stuart > > > From parkermike81@... Sat Mar 13 12:31:20 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:31:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430055.31447.qm@...> up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: From: parkermike81 Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31   fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Mar 13 19:18:19 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:18:19 -0000 Subject: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: <430055.31447.qm@...> Message-ID: Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_11 Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mike Parker wrote: > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > From: parkermike81 > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > >   > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Mar 13 19:21:48 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:21:48 -0000 Subject: Song Sung Blue Message-ID: Fellow Peelites I'm confused. After a listen to the Scottish sessions programme from Christmas, it now appears that John sang on the session version of the track, yet I was told quite firmly here that it was the Pinky Blue version only that he appeared on. Can somebody please clear this up so that I can adjust the Peel On Record Wiki page if needed? Thanks Steve [TK] From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Mar 13 19:26:22 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:26:22 -0000 Subject: Session request Message-ID: Fellow Peelites My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to have either or both. Best wishes Steve [TK] From johnruss44@... Sat Mar 13 19:35:23 2010 From: johnruss44@... (John Russell) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129786.94676.qm@...> No can remember the session, peel was on song sung blue. ________________________________ From: So It Goes 2512 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 13 March, 2010 18:21:48 Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue Fellow Peelites I'm confused. After a listen to the Scottish sessions programme from Christmas, it now appears that John sang on the session version of the track, yet I was told quite firmly here that it was the Pinky Blue version only that he appeared on. Can somebody please clear this up so that I can adjust the Peel On Record Wiki page if needed? Thanks Steve [TK] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links From ford.alan@... Sat Mar 13 19:44:11 2010 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:44:11 +0000 Subject: Wiki question Message-ID: <2d4be71c1003131044u764b0c52u3c9e1e727a545e75@...> er, how does one get from this page http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page to the index page that lists all shows by date? Alan From stuartb@... Sat Mar 13 20:20:35 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:20:35 -0000 Subject: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Steve and also for Vol 30. Managed to track down all except Vol 2 in the end. Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_11 > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mike Parker wrote: > > > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > > > > From: parkermike81 > > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > > > From parkermike81@... Sat Mar 13 20:26:59 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:26:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <608029.60466.qm@...> thanks i missed that one, the wiki looking cool paska for sure,cheers.  --- On Sat, 13/3/10, So It Goes 2512 wrote: From: So It Goes 2512 Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 18:18   Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Best_ Of_Peel_Vol_ 11 Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Mike Parker wrote: > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > From: parkermike81 > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > >   > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > From stuartb@... Sat Mar 13 20:28:09 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:28:09 -0000 Subject: Wiki question In-Reply-To: <2d4be71c1003131044u764b0c52u3c9e1e727a545e75@...> Message-ID: Use the menus on the left, go to Calendar, then decade, then pick a year. Shows that are available online are listed on each year page, and shows that have a wiki page are blue on the calendar. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Alan Ford wrote: > > er, how does one get from this page > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page > > to the index page that lists all shows by date? > > Alan > From parkermike81@... Sat Mar 13 20:44:16 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <847383.51638.qm@...> try this stuart best of peel vol 2 part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1vbykn0e part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=c171qx7a cheers mike --- On Sat, 13/3/10, Stuart wrote: From: Stuart Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 19:20   Thanks Steve and also for Vol 30. Managed to track down all except Vol 2 in the end. Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: > > http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Best_ Of_Peel_Vol_ 11 > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Mike Parker wrote: > > > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > > > > From: parkermike81 > > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > > > From stuartb@... Sat Mar 13 22:03:49 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:03:49 -0000 Subject: Session request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The session itself was in 1981, unfortunately in the archive desert that is the autumn of that year. It featured also on the 30th December 1981 F50 show which slightly increases the chances of someone having it.... think I also caught them live in 1983 in Edinburgh. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? > In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to have either or both. > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From k.j.beech@... Sat Mar 13 23:31:15 2010 From: k.j.beech@... (k.j.beech) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:31:15 -0000 Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue References: <129786.94676.qm@...> Message-ID: yep! he's credited on the lp inner sleeve. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Russell To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Song Sung Blue No can remember the session, peel was on song sung blue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: So It Goes 2512 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 13 March, 2010 18:21:48 Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue Fellow Peelites I'm confused. After a listen to the Scottish sessions programme from Christmas, it now appears that John sang on the session version of the track, yet I was told quite firmly here that it was the Pinky Blue version only that he appeared on. Can somebody please clear this up so that I can adjust the Peel On Record Wiki page if needed? Thanks Steve [TK] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links From ford.alan@... Sat Mar 13 23:55:42 2010 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:55:42 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki question In-Reply-To: References: <2d4be71c1003131044u764b0c52u3c9e1e727a545e75@...> Message-ID: <2d4be71c1003131455s25bf71aerad65b5c0440d5316@...> Thanks Stuart, but I was actually after the last page of the index which lists compilations etc http://peel.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Peel_shows&from=A How can I get my comps, eg http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Now_26_(1998-99)_(Mixtape) added to the index ? Alan On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Stuart wrote: > > > Use the menus on the left, go to Calendar, then decade, then pick a year. > Shows that are available online are listed on each year page, and shows that > have a wiki page are blue on the calendar. > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Alan Ford > wrote: > > > > er, how does one get from this page > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page > > > > to the index page that lists all shows by date? > > > > Alan > > > > > From martinw@... Sun Mar 14 00:13:24 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:13:24 +0000 Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18:21 13/03/2010, you wrote: > > >Fellow Peelites > >I'm confused. After a listen to the Scottish sessions programme from >Christmas, it now appears that John sang on the session version of >the track, yet I was told quite firmly here that it was the Pinky >Blue version only that he appeared on. Can somebody please clear >this up so that I can adjust the Peel On Record Wiki page if needed? > >Thanks >Steve [TK] As far as I remember it this is what happened. Clare introduced the song on the session by asking John (when he played it) to sing along. I don't think he was actually at the session because he never was. martinw From martinw@... Sun Mar 14 00:15:56 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:15:56 +0000 Subject: [peel] Session request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18:26 13/03/2010, you wrote: > > >Fellow Peelites > >My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was >Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? >In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were >rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to >have either or both. > >Best wishes >Steve [TK] I have the Peel Pigbag session but with a song missing so if anyone has the whole thing please put it up There were 3 Evening Shoe sessions - 2 of these I have I have the Pussy Crush sessions. I'll put them up tomorrow martinw From stuartb@... Sun Mar 14 01:55:49 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:55:49 -0000 Subject: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: <847383.51638.qm@...> Message-ID: Thanks Mike, collection complete. I should get some more compilations from the early-mid 80s online soon, hiatus due to separation of tapes and Ken's book! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mike Parker wrote: > > try this stuart best of peel vol 2 part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1vbykn0e part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=c171qx7a cheers mike > > --- On Sat, 13/3/10, Stuart wrote: > > > From: Stuart > Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 19:20 > > >   > > > > Thanks Steve and also for Vol 30. Managed to track down all except Vol 2 in the end. > > Stuart > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > > > Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: > > > > http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Best_ Of_Peel_Vol_ 11 > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [TK] > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Mike Parker wrote: > > > > > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: parkermike81 > > > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > > > > > > From stuartb@... Sun Mar 14 02:21:08 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:21:08 -0000 Subject: Wiki question In-Reply-To: <2d4be71c1003131455s25bf71aerad65b5c0440d5316@...> Message-ID: That is a catgeory page, so you just go to the bottom of your mixtape page and click the Add Category button. Then type in Peel shows (it will autocomplete from all possible categories) press Enter and Save then it will appear on that page. (btw that show is now there as I was testing that I had got my facts correct....) Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Alan Ford wrote: > > Thanks Stuart, but I was actually after the last page of the index which > lists compilations etc > http://peel.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Peel_shows&from=A > > How can I get my comps, eg > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Now_26_(1998-99)_(Mixtape) > > added to the index ? > > Alan > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Stuart wrote: > > > > > > > Use the menus on the left, go to Calendar, then decade, then pick a year. > > Shows that are available online are listed on each year page, and shows that > > have a wiki page are blue on the calendar. > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Alan Ford > > wrote: > > > > > > er, how does one get from this page > > > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page > > > > > > to the index page that lists all shows by date? > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > From parkermike81@... Sun Mar 14 02:50:35 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <909920.28223.qm@...> look forward to them certainly,best of peel vol 31 [imminent] should prove popular too with three sessions in the mix if memory serves.cheers mike.   --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Stuart wrote: From: Stuart Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 0:55   Thanks Mike, collection complete. I should get some more compilations from the early-mid 80s online soon, hiatus due to separation of tapes and Ken's book! --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Mike Parker wrote: > > try this stuart best of peel vol 2 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 1vbykn0e part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= c171qx7a cheers mike > > --- On Sat, 13/3/10, Stuart wrote: > > > From: Stuart > Subject: [peel] Re: i`ll have you thrown off the island > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, 13 March, 2010, 19:20 > > >   > > > > Thanks Steve and also for Vol 30. Managed to track down all except Vol 2 in the end. > > Stuart > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > > > Thanks Mike! For Stuart and those of you who might have missed it, Vol 11 is now also on the Wiki: > > > > http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/Best_ Of_Peel_Vol_ 11 > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [TK] > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Mike Parker wrote: > > > > > > up on the wiki now folks, many thanks to steve, allways interesting reading the footnotes e.t.c,cheers. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, parkermike81 wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: parkermike81 > > > Subject: [peel] i`ll have you thrown off the island > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 22:31 > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > fellow peel parisioners- --------- --------- -> GET A LOAD OF THIS. best of peel vol 30 part 1 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= qs74ska5 part 2 http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 0ymp6lap [thanks in advance steve] > > > > > > From Dissolvedpaul@... Sun Mar 14 08:09:11 2010 From: Dissolvedpaul@... (dissolvedpaul) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:09:11 -0000 Subject: Couple of requests. Message-ID: First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. 19th May 1991 11th September 1992 13th November 1992 (polvo in session) 14th November 1992 2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) 5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. From parkermike81@... Sun Mar 14 10:46:28 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86207.48504.qm@...> good to hear paul, many more bopping b.o.p`s still to come.Those shows you`re after might be available via the wiki calender if you type in the year first and scroll down or they could be on someone`s server,cheers mike --- On Sun, 14/3/10, dissolvedpaul wrote: From: dissolvedpaul Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 7:09   First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. 19th May 1991 11th September 1992 13th November 1992 (polvo in session) 14th November 1992 2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) 5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. From Dissolvedpaul@... Sun Mar 14 12:35:02 2010 From: Dissolvedpaul@... (Dissolvedpaul) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. In-Reply-To: <86207.48504.qm@...> References: <86207.48504.qm@...> Message-ID: <845419.68352.qm@...> Hi Mike, that's great to hear, thanks! I can assure you, that excellent wiki calender has become some what of a field guide in the hunt for rare 90's Peel! I scour it regularly checking for shows I might have missed and indeed it rarely disappoints, throwing up many a new show. Unfortunately not the shows I've requested so far from what I can see. I'm sure i'm in the same predicament of many peel listeners, where I used to actually have the shows on tape all that time ago but lent them out, never to see them again and of course it becomes an instant regret as you simply cannot remember titles or seem destined never to know the name of a band or a track you tantalizingly heard and assumed you'd easily be able to track down. I'm without tape deck just now or access to my old tape collection so I can't currently rip but hopefully that will change within the coming months. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for these shows. : ) Paul ________________________________ From: Mike Parker To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 14 March, 2010 1:46:28 Subject: Re: [peel] Couple of requests. good to hear paul, many more bopping b.o.p`s still to come.Those shows you`re after might be available via the wiki calender if you type in the year first and scroll down or they could be on someone`s server,cheers mike --- On Sun, 14/3/10, dissolvedpaul wrote: >From: dissolvedpaul >Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. >To: peel@yahoogroups. com >Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 7:09 > > > >First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. >I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. > >19th May 1991 >11th September 1992 >13th November 1992 (polvo in session) >14th November 1992 >2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) >5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) > >Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! > >Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. > > From johnruss44@... Sun Mar 14 12:42:07 2010 From: johnruss44@... (John Russell) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Song Sung Blue In-Reply-To: References: <129786.94676.qm@...> Message-ID: <35625.38572.qm@...> Listen to song sung blue from the session on the kats karavan box set on spotify here or download the whole session here ________________________________ From: k.j.beech To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 13 March, 2010 22:31:15 Subject: Re: [peel] Song Sung Blue  yep! he's credited on the lp inner sleeve. ----- Original Message ----- >From: John > Russell >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 6:35 > PM >Subject: Re: [peel] Song Sung Blue > > >No can remember the session, peel was on song sung blue. > > > > ________________________________ From: So It Goes 2512 >To: peel@yahoogroups. com >Sent: Sat, 13 March, 2010 > 18:21:48 >Subject: [peel] Song > Sung Blue > >Fellow Peelites > >I'm confused. After a listen to > the Scottish sessions programme from Christmas, it now appears that John sang > on the session version of the track, yet I was told quite firmly here that it > was the Pinky Blue version only that he appeared on. Can somebody please clear > this up so that I can adjust the Peel On Record Wiki page if > needed? > >Thanks >Steve > [TK] > > > >------------ --------- --------- ------ > >Yahoo! > Groups Links > > > Traditional > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > peel-fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > From parkermike81@... Sun Mar 14 14:13:33 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. Message-ID: <637879.92377.qm@...> yeah i`m sure those dates are out there somewhere with new members joining all the time and i`d be suprised if the forthcoming b.o.p.`s dont have at least some segments from those shows but sadly none of the sessions you mentioned are featured. cheers your local mp. --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Dissolvedpaul wrote: From: Dissolvedpaul Subject: Re: [peel] Couple of requests. To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 11:35   Hi Mike, that's great to hear, thanks! I can assure you, that excellent wiki calender has become some what of a field guide in the hunt for rare 90's Peel! I scour it regularly checking for shows I might have missed and indeed it rarely disappoints, throwing up many a new show. Unfortunately not the shows I've requested so far from what I can see. I'm sure i'm in the same predicament of many peel listeners, where I used to actually have the shows on tape all that time ago but lent them out, never to see them again and of course it becomes an instant regret as you simply cannot remember titles or seem destined never to know the name of a band or a track you tantalizingly heard and assumed you'd easily be able to track down. I'm without tape deck just now or access to my old tape collection so I can't currently rip but hopefully that will change within the coming months. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for these shows. : ) Paul From: Mike Parker To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, 14 March, 2010 1:46:28 Subject: Re: [peel] Couple of requests.   good to hear paul, many more bopping b.o.p`s still to come.Those shows you`re after might be available via the wiki calender if you type in the year first and scroll down or they could be on someone`s server,cheers mike --- On Sun, 14/3/10, dissolvedpaul wrote: From: dissolvedpaul Subject: [peel] Couple of requests. To: peel@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 7:09   First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. 19th May 1991 11th September 1992 13th November 1992 (polvo in session) 14th November 1992 2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) 5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. From martinw@... Mon Mar 15 01:26:25 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:26:25 +0000 Subject: [peel] Session request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18:26 13/03/2010, you wrote: > > >Fellow Peelites > >My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was >Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? >In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were >rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to >have either or both. > >Best wishes >Steve [TK] Pigbag Peel 15-9-81 (one track missing) http://www.divshare.com/download/10763456-bd5 Pussy Crush Peel 12-11-94 http://www.divshare.com/download/10763403-599 Pussy Crush Peel 22-6-96 http://www.divshare.com/download/10763411-b12 martinw From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Mar 15 02:04:24 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:04:24 -0000 Subject: Session request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin Yet again, thanks very much for this! And thanks to all who replied re the Altered Images query. Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 18:26 13/03/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >Fellow Peelites > > > >My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was > >Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? > >In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were > >rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to > >have either or both. > > > >Best wishes > >Steve [TK] > > Pigbag Peel 15-9-81 (one track missing) > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763456-bd5 > > Pussy Crush Peel 12-11-94 > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763403-599 > > Pussy Crush Peel 22-6-96 > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763411-b12 > > > martinw > From postscriptxyz@... Mon Mar 15 09:46:09 2010 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:46:09 -0000 Subject: Session request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's the missing Pigbag track ... http://www.mediafire.com/?gmdkhdmn4md My source was a 6Music 'Listen Again' stream (from a few years ago) converted to 128kbps mp3. The quality is not the best, so if anyone can improve on this please feel free to do so. Pad --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 18:26 13/03/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >Fellow Peelites > > > >My roster of bands that I have seen is very small, but one was > >Pigbag in 1983. Does somebody/anybody have this, please? > >In addition, my recent 500 Box upload featured Pussy Crush, who were > >rather good indeed. They did two sessions, and I would be happy to > >have either or both. > > > >Best wishes > >Steve [TK] > > Pigbag Peel 15-9-81 (one track missing) > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763456-bd5 > > Pussy Crush Peel 12-11-94 > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763403-599 > > Pussy Crush Peel 22-6-96 > > http://www.divshare.com/download/10763411-b12 > > > martinw > From martinw@... Mon Mar 15 09:52:03 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:52:03 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Session request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 08:46 15/03/2010, you wrote: > > >Here's the missing Pigbag track ... > >http://www.mediafire.com/?gmdkhdmn4md > >My source was a 6Music 'Listen Again' stream (from a few years ago) >converted to 128kbps mp3. The quality is not the best, so if anyone >can improve on this please feel free to do so. > >Pad Thanks martinw From martinw@... Mon Mar 15 13:28:10 2010 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:28:10 +0000 Subject: The BBC Archives Message-ID: There is an aspect of the ending of 6Music which is I think of importance to us on the Peel list The BBC has a large archive of sessions dating back to the early 60s. At the moment it is only 6Music music that makes serious use of this. Some of their progs have archive session material as a major part of the content. Radio 2's forthcoming 'In Concert' show will apparently occasionally make use of old concert recordings (although that may just mean alternating last year's Coldplay concert with this year's!) . But I have heard of no plans to use the sessions. What happens now. Will the archive (which I would remind you contains all those old Peel sessions) be allowed to moulder away? Or maybe horror of horrors they are going to sell it off! Surely they are going to do something with it This is a major cultural resource for this country and what happens to it matters martinw From robfleay@... Mon Mar 15 13:44:12 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:44:12 +0000 Subject: [peel] The BBC Archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a3fcd0a1003150544w3abf161fx7788af55615cd7e1@...> This reminds me - the BBC seem to be developing their archive online presence. Maybe you could fire the question off to one of their "experts" http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/index.shtml On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Martin Wheatley < martinw@...> wrote: > There is an aspect of the ending of 6Music which is I think > of importance to us on the Peel list > > The BBC has a large archive of sessions dating back to the > early 60s. At the moment it is only 6Music music that makes > serious use of this. Some of their progs have archive session > material as a major part of the content. > > Radio 2's forthcoming 'In Concert' show will apparently occasionally > make use of old concert recordings (although that may just mean > alternating last year's Coldplay concert with this year's!) . But I > have heard of no plans to use the sessions. > > What happens now. Will the archive (which I would remind > you contains all those old Peel sessions) be allowed to moulder away? > Or maybe horror of horrors they are going to sell it off! > Surely they are going to do something with it > > This is a major cultural resource for this country and what happens to it > matters > > > martinw > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From thebarguest@... Mon Mar 15 16:20:31 2010 From: thebarguest@... (Humphrey) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:31 -0000 Subject: Glastonbury 2002 In-Reply-To: <4B93C892.1040207@...> Message-ID: Just upped part 1 which has Rod Stewart, Roger Waters, Groove Armada, Richie Havens, US3 and Coldplay (sorry, just one song) ! As in part 2, our John is the presenter and contributes some interesting comments and anecdotes between the acts ...... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > Many thanks, Humph! As expected, a mix of the good, bad and "worth > checking out" in the mix there. And I think I can live with the > Stereophonics' set being cut short... > > Speaking of Rod Stewart (and the Stereophonics), has anyone caught the > trailers for that thing on ITV3 or somewhere over the past weeks? An > audience of Bacardi Breezered hen party types clapping along to someone > doing a bad karaoke version of Rod Stewart - who of course turned out to > be the man himself. Hideous; gets switched to mute quicker than the > bloody Halifax adverts. > > Eddie. > > On 07/03/10 14:10, Humphrey wrote: > > > > I've just uploaded to Demonoid a 2hr dvd of Glas 2002 with JP the main > > presenter. There's much banter and John gets a massage at one point ! > > > > The music's pretty good generally - thankfully Coldplay not included ! > > > > > From ford.alan@... Fri Mar 19 01:46:22 2010 From: ford.alan@... (ford.alan@...) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:46:22 -0000 Subject: Charlie Gillett RIP Message-ID: Only just heard the news! http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/mar/17/charlie-gillett-obituary Alan From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Mar 19 03:22:05 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:22:05 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: surfing in Holland Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Mid-section this time. Show date: 11 August 1995 Sessions: Shellac #1 (repeat), Pet Lamb #2 Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/11_August_1995 Many thanks to Colin and Lorcan. Best wishes Steve [TK] From parkermike81@... Fri Mar 19 11:58:04 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] 500 Box: surfing in Holland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <996462.14654.qm@...> with many bizarre & unfamiliar band names listed on the wiki for this one it looks like it was another annoying episode of forgetting to tape the show at the time, too much boozing probably, great to have finally rectified the situation and raise a glass in total partnership. cheers your honourable mp. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, So It Goes 2512 wrote: From: So It Goes 2512 Subject: [peel] 500 Box: surfing in Holland To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 2:22   Fellow Peelites Mid-section this time. Show date: 11 August 1995 Sessions: Shellac #1 (repeat), Pet Lamb #2 Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/11_August_ 1995 Many thanks to Colin and Lorcan. Best wishes Steve [TK] From stuartb@... Sat Mar 20 03:52:43 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:52:43 -0000 Subject: 1990 and 1991 shows Message-ID: In case you haven't been following the "changed pages" feature on the wiki, there have recently been quite a number of previously shared shows added there for the first time. I've been concentrating on the 1990/1991 shows (ongoing) while the Steves have been filling in the gaps from last years' new millenium torrents. Something I've noticed about the 1990/1991 shows is that they generally sound very muffled on the A sides of the tapes, along with fairly severe Dolby mistracking which makes it sound like someone is standing over the loudspeakers with a big heavy blanket and only lifting it for the louder mid and upper range frequency sounds. The B sides do sound better. It strikes me that these tapes were either recorded, or played back by an autoreverse deck, which does not align the azimuth the same way on forward as on reverse. This means that for many of these shows, a much better rip could be made, by adjusting azimuth on playback, and perhaps adjusting the Dolby on playback or even turning it off. I'm not too sure of the origin of the recordings but I think possibly they are the ones referred to in Ken's book. Another Rocker's Revenge project possibly? Stuart Weatherman22/Mantoid From r.fewster@... Sat Mar 20 09:40:24 2010 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:40:24 +0000 Subject: [peel] 1990 and 1991 shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b1003200140h41292345kaa1f2a104b05ffae@...> As far as I can remember, these originated from Phil Edwards' collection that he posted on his FTP server not long after Peel died. I agree with you the A sides are very muffled, and have also wondered if this can be rectified with a re-rip. Happy to help if this becomes another project. Richard On 20 March 2010 02:52, Stuart wrote: > > > In case you haven't been following the "changed pages" feature on the wiki, > there have recently been quite a number of previously shared shows added > there for the first time. I've been concentrating on the 1990/1991 shows > (ongoing) while the Steves have been filling in the gaps from last years' > new millenium torrents. > > Something I've noticed about the 1990/1991 shows is that they generally > sound very muffled on the A sides of the tapes, along with fairly severe > Dolby mistracking which makes it sound like someone is standing over the > loudspeakers with a big heavy blanket and only lifting it for the louder mid > and upper range frequency sounds. The B sides do sound better. > > It strikes me that these tapes were either recorded, or played back by an > autoreverse deck, which does not align the azimuth the same way on forward > as on reverse. > > This means that for many of these shows, a much better rip could be made, > by adjusting azimuth on playback, and perhaps adjusting the Dolby on > playback or even turning it off. > > I'm not too sure of the origin of the recordings but I think possibly they > are the ones referred to in Ken's book. Another Rocker's Revenge project > possibly? > > Stuart > Weatherman22/Mantoid > > > From ford.alan@... Sat Mar 20 22:47:03 2010 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:47:03 +0000 Subject: The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] Message-ID: <2d4be71c1003201447y51d6a94cta46d87eb1e0b4847@...> Just wondered if anyone has this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002USD70U/ref=pd_luc_sbs_03_02 Is it any good? I don't recognise a single track on it. Alan Volume 1 1. Factory/Try A Little Sunshine 2. Eyes/You're Too Much 3. Syn/Grounded 4. Nimrod/The Bird 5. Smoke /Sydney Gill 6. Birds/No Good Without You Baby 7. Shy Limbs/Reputation 8. Game/It's Shocking What They Call Me 9. Frame/Doctor Doctor 10. Mandrake Paddle Steamer/Strange Walking Man 11. French Revolution/Nine Till Five 12. Vamp/Floatin' 13. Syndicates/Crawdaddy Simone 14. Sands/Listen To The Sky 15. Tintern Abbey/Vacuum Cleaner 16. The Craig/I Must Be Mad 17. Open Mind/Magic Potion Volume 2 1. Kult/No Home Today 2. Eyes/When The Night Falls 3. Poets/Baby Don't You Do It 4. Ace Kefford Stand/For Your Love 5. Rupert's People/Reflections Of Charles Brown 6. Thane Russal & Three/Security 7. Deviants/I'm Coming Home 8. Fleur-De-Lys/Liar 9. Kult/Mister Number One 10. In-Be-Tweens/You Better Run 11. Uglies/I See The Light 12. Glen Athens & The Trojans/Let Me Show You How 13. Gary Leeds & Rain/Francis 14. Les Goths/Turn Over 15. Drag Set/Day & Night 16. Fleur-De-Lys/Mud In Your Eye 17. Accent/Red Sky At Night Volume 3 1. Longboatmen/Take Her Anytime 2. Miller/Baby I Got News For You (Oak Version) 3. Les Goths/Out Of The Sun 4. Shyster/Tick Tock 5. Majority One/Get Back Home 6. Groundhogs/Sad Go Round 7. Herbal Mixture/Please Leave My Mind 8. Pete Sully & The Orchard/Evil Woman 9. Adams Recital/No Place For The Lonely People 10. Cedars/For Your Information 11. Wolves/Lust For Life 12. Actress/It's What You Give 13. Reign/Line Of Least Resistance 14. Barry Mason/Over The Hills 15. Boeing Duveen & The Beautiful Soup/Which Dreamed It 16. Andwella's Dream/Felix 17. Serendipity/Through With You 18. Rupert's People/Hold On Volume 4 1. Flies/Magic Train (Demo version) 2. Joint/Dinosaur 3. Blonde On Blonde/Spinning Wheel 4. Magic Mixture/When I was Young 5. Tucky Buzzard/Time Will Be Your Doctor 6. Timebox/Barnabus Swain 7. Simon's Secret/I Know What Her Name Is 8. Please/The Road 9. Orang Utan/Magic Playground 10. Arcadium/Poor Lady 11. Flaming Youth/Pulsar 12. Monument/Give Me Life 13. Five Day Week/Straw People/Does It Rain 14. John McLaughlin/Siren 15. Animals/Gratefully Dead 16. Arzachel/Leg 17. Deviants/Jamie's Song Volume 5 1. July/The Way (long version) 2. Pacific Drift/Feelin' Free 3. Camel/Where is My Mind 4. Bulldog Breed/I Flew 5. Wynder K Frog/Eddie's Tune 6. Aynsley Dunbar/Warning 7. Will Malone/Love in the Afternoon 8. Dear Mr Time/Your Country Needs You? 9. Complex/Self Declaration 10. Twink/Fluid 11. Eyes Of Blue/Crossroads Of Time 12. Dogfeet/Mr Sunshine 13. Bram Stoker/Extensive Corrosion From rockerq@... Sat Mar 20 23:55:10 2010 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:55:10 EDT Subject: [peel] The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] Message-ID: <5dc90.12633b4d.38d6ac4e@...> > <> > Looks fantastic! Compiled by fans from rare vinyl I would think most of these tracks have never before seen a CD release- a few familiar names like The Factory, Camel, The Smoke, Tintern Abbey, The Groundhogs, Rupert's People, The Timebox, Wynder K Frog, make me think it'll be worth the effort / cost of getting hold of the set. Looks like there's no actual conection with Peel, except that he was probably the only DJ in the world who played most of these tracks when they came out! Cheers! Rocker > > From johnruss44@... Sun Mar 21 00:23:52 2010 From: johnruss44@... (John Russell) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] In-Reply-To: <5dc90.12633b4d.38d6ac4e@...> References: <5dc90.12633b4d.38d6ac4e@...> Message-ID: <906424.84179.qm@...> Had a look at this and found these download links, if anybody is interested V.A. - The Perfumed Garden (1965-1973 uk freakbeat psychedelic limited to 1000 copies - boxset with 5 CD's and 82 tracks - MP3 320K and FLAC) RS Flac & MP3 @320 Links - Incl Full Artwork. Password: The_Loner Flac: CD1: http://rapidshare.com/files/338584413/TPG-V1F.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338615987/TPG-V1F.part2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338644782/TPG-V1F.part3.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338673543/TPG-V1F.part4.rar CD2: http://rapidshare.com/files/338750506/TPG-V2F.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338782669/TPG-V2F.part2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338817499/TPG-V2F.part3.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/338859439/TPG-V2F.part4.rar CD3: http://rapidshare.com/files/339144682/TPG-V3F.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339176268/TPG-V3F.part2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339220315/TPG-V3F.part3.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339271034/TPG-V3F.part4.rar CD4: http://rapidshare.com/files/339334152/TPG-V4F.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339378149/TPG-V4F.part2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339417853/TPG-V4F.part3.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339456457/TPG-V4F.part4.rar CD5: http://rapidshare.com/files/339699239/TPG-V5F.part1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339737269/TPG-V5F.part2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339783006/TPG-V5F.part3.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/339830411/TPG-V5F.part4.rar ________________________________ From: "rockerq@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 20 March, 2010 22:55:10 Subject: Re: [peel] The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] <> > Looks fantastic! Compiled by fans from rare vinyl I would think most of these tracks have never before seen a CD release- a few familiar names like The Factory, Camel, The Smoke, Tintern Abbey, The Groundhogs, Rupert's People, The Timebox, Wynder K Frog, make me think it'll be worth the effort / cost of getting hold of the set. Looks like there's no actual conection with Peel, except that he was probably the only DJ in the world who played most of these tracks when they came out! Cheers! Rocker > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Mar 21 06:58:42 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:58:42 -0000 Subject: Best Of Peel: Walters' last show Message-ID: Fellwo Peelites No less than an epochal upload from Mike here. Title: Best Of Peel Vol. 31 Sessions: Silverfish #2, Eon #1, Babes In Toyland #2. Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Of_Peel_Vol_31 Many thanks to Mike: I've been waiting for this one to come along. Best wishes Steve [TK] From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Mar 21 07:10:29 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:10:29 -0000 Subject: Couple of requests. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul If you wanted the Bailterspace session in particular, 24 April 1993 is now on the Wiki and has a repeat. Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dissolvedpaul" wrote: > > First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. > I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. > > 19th May 1991 > 11th September 1992 > 13th November 1992 (polvo in session) > 14th November 1992 > 2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) > 5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) > > Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! > > Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. > From stuartb@... Sun Mar 21 21:45:18 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:45:18 -0000 Subject: The Popguns/Fifteen To One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Turns out you were not the only one, I have just heard on the show of 11th May 1991 Peel dedicating a track to Daniel who appeared on Fifteen To One with a Mudhoney T-shirt on! Incidentally the shows of 9th and 10th Nov are available, have you listened to these? Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > Hi! > > At 25 minutes in to the second file of the show on 8th October 1993 (see Wiki) I have just heard JP read out your letter in which you refer to the earlier Popguns dedication! > > Stuart > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "powerpopuk" wrote: > > > > I appeared on the quiz show "Fifteen To One" in October 1991 wearing a Popguns "Snog" t-shirt. After the show went out on 8 November 91 someone told me that Peel had played (possibly started the show with) a Popguns track (not a session) and dedicated it to me. I'm trying to find (a) the show that dedication occurred on and (b) if it exists, whether legally or illegally. > > > > He didn't have a show on Friday 8 Nov 91 but there were shows on Sat 9 Nov 91 and Sun 10 Nov 91. Can anyone provide any insight into my quest? > > > > Cheers > > > > The Cat > > www.jocknroll.co.uk > > > From colin_ellis@... Sun Mar 21 21:55:36 2010 From: colin_ellis@... (grang354) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:55:36 -0000 Subject: The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] In-Reply-To: <906424.84179.qm@...> Message-ID: If memory serves, Peel only played around one third of the stuff on here - not on the Perfumed Garden, though, but on early Top Gears.... c --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Russell wrote: > > Had a look at this and found these download links, if anybody is interested > V.A. - The Perfumed Garden (1965-1973 uk freakbeat psychedelic limited to 1000 copies - boxset with 5 CD's and 82 tracks - MP3 320K and FLAC) > RS Flac & MP3 @320 Links - Incl Full Artwork. > Password: The_Loner > Flac: > CD1: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/338584413/TPG-V1F.part1.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338615987/TPG-V1F.part2.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338644782/TPG-V1F.part3.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338673543/TPG-V1F.part4.rar > > CD2: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/338750506/TPG-V2F.part1.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338782669/TPG-V2F.part2.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338817499/TPG-V2F.part3.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/338859439/TPG-V2F.part4.rar > > CD3: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/339144682/TPG-V3F.part1.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339176268/TPG-V3F.part2.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339220315/TPG-V3F.part3.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339271034/TPG-V3F.part4.rar > > CD4: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/339334152/TPG-V4F.part1.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339378149/TPG-V4F.part2.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339417853/TPG-V4F.part3.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339456457/TPG-V4F.part4.rar > > CD5: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/339699239/TPG-V5F.part1.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339737269/TPG-V5F.part2.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339783006/TPG-V5F.part3.rar > http://rapidshare.com/files/339830411/TPG-V5F.part4.rar > > > > ________________________________ > From: "rockerq@..." > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 20 March, 2010 22:55:10 > Subject: Re: [peel] The Perfumed Garden (5cd Set) [Box set] > > > > > <> > > > Looks fantastic! Compiled by fans from rare vinyl I would think most of these tracks have never before seen a CD release- a few familiar names like The Factory, Camel, The Smoke, Tintern Abbey, The Groundhogs, Rupert's People, The Timebox, Wynder K Frog, make me think it'll be worth the effort / cost of getting hold of the set. > > Looks like there's no actual conection with Peel, except that he was probably the only DJ in the world who played most of these tracks when they came out! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > > From Dissolvedpaul@... Sun Mar 21 22:14:08 2010 From: Dissolvedpaul@... (Dissolvedpaul) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:14:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Couple of requests. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <121316.2951.qm@...> Hey Steve, thanks a lot for the alert! It was the full show I was after but after checking my old wants list, 24 April 93 was on it too so this is brilliant and the nectarine No.9 session is great. You can't go wrong with Swirlies, Trumans water and Polvo in one show. Thanks a lot. Regards, Paul. ________________________________ From: So It Goes 2512 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 20 March, 2010 23:10:29 Subject: [peel] Re: Couple of requests. Hi Paul If you wanted the Bailterspace session in particular, 24 April 1993 is now on the Wiki and has a repeat. Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "dissolvedpaul" wrote: > > First off, just want to say thanks for all the marvelous efforts of the uploaders here as ever, the Best of peel shows are fantastic, Vol 11 and 30 have been a wonderful listen. > I was wondering if any of the following peel shows are at all available for sharing or forthcoming. > > 19th May 1991 > 11th September 1992 > 13th November 1992 (polvo in session) > 14th November 1992 > 2nd January 1993 (Bandulu and Huggy Bear) > 5th February 1993 (Bailterspace) > > Hopefully somewhere out there they still exist! > > Any links or info is most welcome. Regards, Paul. > From koogy@... Mon Mar 22 11:11:15 2010 From: koogy@... (koogy@...) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:11:15 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Tom Ravenscroft on Radio 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47044.217.156.157.2.1269252675.squirrel@...> standing in for Huey(?) and listenagainable until the weekend. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rm3f8 From jocknroll@... Tue Mar 23 18:35:05 2010 From: jocknroll@... (powerpopuk) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:35:05 -0000 Subject: The Popguns/Fifteen To One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, I haven't heard the shows of 9/10 November. Do you have a link to them? Paul --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > Turns out you were not the only one, I have just heard on the show of 11th May 1991 Peel dedicating a track to Daniel who appeared on Fifteen To One with a Mudhoney T-shirt on! > Incidentally the shows of 9th and 10th Nov are available, have you listened to these? > Stuart > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > At 25 minutes in to the second file of the show on 8th October 1993 (see Wiki) I have just heard JP read out your letter in which you refer to the earlier Popguns dedication! > > > > Stuart > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "powerpopuk" wrote: > > > > > > I appeared on the quiz show "Fifteen To One" in October 1991 wearing a Popguns "Snog" t-shirt. After the show went out on 8 November 91 someone told me that Peel had played (possibly started the show with) a Popguns track (not a session) and dedicated it to me. I'm trying to find (a) the show that dedication occurred on and (b) if it exists, whether legally or illegally. > > > > > > He didn't have a show on Friday 8 Nov 91 but there were shows on Sat 9 Nov 91 and Sun 10 Nov 91. Can anyone provide any insight into my quest? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > The Cat > > > www.jocknroll.co.uk > > > > > > From stuartb@... Tue Mar 23 21:21:59 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:21:59 -0000 Subject: The Popguns/Fifteen To One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul They are on the Mooo server http://www.peel.mooo.com/peelgroup/phil/1991/ and the login is: peelgroup / insession Though it looks like only half of each show is available, good luck! Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "powerpopuk" wrote: > > No, I haven't heard the shows of 9/10 November. Do you have a link to them? > > Paul > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > > > Turns out you were not the only one, I have just heard on the show of 11th May 1991 Peel dedicating a track to Daniel who appeared on Fifteen To One with a Mudhoney T-shirt on! > > Incidentally the shows of 9th and 10th Nov are available, have you listened to these? > > Stuart > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > At 25 minutes in to the second file of the show on 8th October 1993 (see Wiki) I have just heard JP read out your letter in which you refer to the earlier Popguns dedication! > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "powerpopuk" wrote: > > > > > > > > I appeared on the quiz show "Fifteen To One" in October 1991 wearing a Popguns "Snog" t-shirt. After the show went out on 8 November 91 someone told me that Peel had played (possibly started the show with) a Popguns track (not a session) and dedicated it to me. I'm trying to find (a) the show that dedication occurred on and (b) if it exists, whether legally or illegally. > > > > > > > > He didn't have a show on Friday 8 Nov 91 but there were shows on Sat 9 Nov 91 and Sun 10 Nov 91. Can anyone provide any insight into my quest? > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > The Cat > > > > www.jocknroll.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Wed Mar 24 15:15:25 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:15:25 -0000 Subject: OT: Free gift offer Message-ID: Fellow Peelites If anubody wants a packet of Drum roll-up tobacco, it's going begging (unwanted gift). Best wishes Steve [TK] From so_it_goes_2512@... Thu Mar 25 03:06:05 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:06:05 -0000 Subject: Peel show from O3 Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Here's a first. I was sent this file from a reader who commented on Teenage Kicks, and after finally following it up, I have two Peel shows from Austrian Radio station O3. There's a certain amount of clipping on it, but it's more than listenable. Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/March_1991_%C3%943 Best wishes Steve [TK] From saipanda@... Thu Mar 25 07:17:27 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:17:27 -0000 Subject: Peel show from O3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great stuff, a real first! Many thanks for this, Steve, as well as to your TK reader for sharing. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Here's a first. I was sent this file from a reader who commented on Teenage Kicks, and after finally following it up, I have two Peel shows from Austrian Radio station O3. There's a certain amount of clipping on it, but it's more than listenable. > > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/March_1991_%C3%943 > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From thebarguest@... Fri Mar 26 21:54:39 2010 From: thebarguest@... (Humphrey) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:54:39 -0000 Subject: First punk Peel session Message-ID: Listening now to The Vibrators excellent first Peel sesh dated Oct 76. I know The Damned are always cited as the first punk band to have a record out, but maybe The Vibes were the first to have a Peel sesh ... Regrads, Dr Non From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Mar 27 04:52:55 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:52:55 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. Date: 18 August 1995 Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! Best wishes Steve [TK] From saipanda@... Sat Mar 27 05:18:39 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:18:39 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks as always to Steve and Colin. And all the best to Ken. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > Date: 18 August 1995 > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From postscriptxyz@... Sat Mar 27 08:34:10 2010 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:34:10 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve, According to Ken's book, the IBG session has a fifth track "Flying Fatso". While not present in this repeat broadcast, Lorcan's entry for 21/10/1994 suggests it was included in the first transmission. I'll take my pedantic hat off now ! Pad --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > Date: 18 August 1995 > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Mar 27 10:25:13 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:25:13 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Pad. I've made a note on the Wiki to this effect. Nice to have some quality control for a change. Best wishes Steve [TK] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > Steve, > > According to Ken's book, the IBG session has a fifth track "Flying Fatso". While not present in this repeat broadcast, Lorcan's entry for 21/10/1994 suggests it was included in the first transmission. > > I'll take my pedantic hat off now ! > > Pad > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > > > Date: 18 August 1995 > > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [TK] > > > From stuartb@... Sun Mar 28 00:07:17 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:07:17 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to all involved for this great share. These 1995 shows are superb for all that early Drum'n'bass. The opening Glenn P track is also fantastic, it's on one of my 1995 mixtapes and last year I decided to track down a vinyl copy. (successfully) Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > Date: 18 August 1995 > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From stuartb@... Sun Mar 28 00:49:32 2010 From: stuartb@... (Stuart) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:49:32 -0000 Subject: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And in fact the track is "Feel Inside" wiki amended Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" wrote: > > > Thanks to all involved for this great share. > > These 1995 shows are superb for all that early Drum'n'bass. The opening > Glenn P track is also fantastic, it's on one of my 1995 mixtapes and > last year I decided to track down a vinyl copy. (successfully) > > > > Stuart > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" > wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > > > Date: 18 August 1995 > > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [TK] > > > From colinbray@... Sun Mar 28 00:57:35 2010 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:57:35 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: 500 Box: the dawn of email In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Oh, I absolutely agree Stuart. Almost without exception the drum'n'bass tunes still sound so fresh. I occasionally frequented drum'n'bass clubs during this period but still only half grasped how great the music really was. Peel miles ahead of the crowd again. Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: stuartb@... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:07:17 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: 500 Box: the dawn of email Thanks to all involved for this great share. These 1995 shows are superb for all that early Drum'n'bass. The opening Glenn P track is also fantastic, it's on one of my 1995 mixtapes and last year I decided to track down a vinyl copy. (successfully) Stuart --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "So It Goes 2512" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Start and finish, chunk of 11 tracks in the middle missing. > > Date: 18 August 1995 > Sessions: Laurent Garnier, I'm Being Good #1 (repeat) > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_August_1995 > > Despite the gap, the IBG session is complete. > Thanks as always to Colin and Lorcan. > Congrats (a bit late) to Ken on his half centruy on the planet! > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Mar 28 05:22:40 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:22:40 -0000 Subject: O3: another show Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Another one from Austrian radio, this one in even better sound. Show date: 03 June 1991 Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/03_June_1991_%28%C3%943%29 Best wishes Steve [TK] From saipanda@... Tue Mar 30 20:33:50 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:33:50 -0000 Subject: 1980 JP interview Message-ID: Found this one on soundcloud, hadn't heard it before: http://soundcloud.com/samcoley/john-peel-at-40-with-tim-wall Cheers, Steve W From so_it_goes_2512@... Wed Mar 31 04:21:40 2010 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (So It Goes 2512) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:40 -0000 Subject: O3: Christmas show Message-ID: fellow Peelites Not much festive cheer from John in his monthly prog for Austrian radio. Show: December 1991 (O3) Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/December_1991_%28%C3%943%29 I hope people are enjoying these, because I've had little reaction (save from Steve) so far. Best wishes Steve [TK] From parkermike81@... Wed Mar 31 10:11:36 2010 From: parkermike81@... (Mike Parker) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:11:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] O3: Christmas show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <572485.32391.qm@...> were getting battered in the uk right now, what is it 3rd day of summer? but you know my feelings on music and the elements steve, these are going down a storm. cheers your local mp.On Wed, 31/3/10, So It Goes 2512 wrote: From: So It Goes 2512 Subject: [peel] O3: Christmas show To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 2:21   fellow Peelites Not much festive cheer from John in his monthly prog for Austrian radio. Show: December 1991 (O3) Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/December_ 1991_%28% C3%943%29 I hope people are enjoying these, because I've had little reaction (save from Steve) so far. Best wishes Steve [TK] From saipanda@... Wed Mar 31 18:25:29 2010 From: saipanda@... (steve) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:25:29 -0000 Subject: O3: Christmas show In-Reply-To: <572485.32391.qm@...> Message-ID: Sorry to hear about the weather over in the homeland. Blossoms are blossoming in these parts. I'm liking these Austrian shows, like other non-UK ones. Different kind of flavor - short and sweet, no flab. But what's not to like... Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mike Parker wrote: > > were getting battered in the uk right now, what is it 3rd day of summer? but you know my feelings on music and the elements steve, these are going down a storm. cheers your local mp.On Wed, 31/3/10, So It Goes 2512 wrote: > > > From: So It Goes 2512 > Subject: [peel] O3: Christmas show > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 31 March, 2010, 2:21 > > >   > > > > fellow Peelites > > Not much festive cheer from John in his monthly prog for Austrian radio. > > Show: December 1991 (O3) > Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/December_ 1991_%28% C3%943%29 > > I hope people are enjoying these, because I've had little reaction (save from Steve) so far. > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > From ford.alan@... Wed Mar 31 21:13:03 2010 From: ford.alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:13:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] O3: Christmas show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I hope people are enjoying these, because I've had little reaction (save from Steve) so far. My computer is a bit crap at the moment, but a new one arrived today. As soon as I get it working I'll be downloading again, and hopefully find time to start ripping again too. Just out of interest, I see this group now has 757 members - does anyone know how many times the average show gets downloaded? Alan On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:21 AM, So It Goes 2512 < so_it_goes_2512@...> wrote: > > > fellow Peelites > > Not much festive cheer from John in his monthly prog for Austrian radio. > > Show: December 1991 (O3) > Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/December_1991_%28%C3%943%29 > > I hope people are enjoying these, because I've had little reaction (save > from Steve) so far. > > Best wishes > Steve [TK] > > > From robfleay@... Wed Mar 31 21:32:35 2010 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:32:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] O3: Christmas show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If my Mediafire folders of the 400 Box rips I did are anything to go by - the most downloaded are the 1979 shows, some of those have had 200+ downloads and the least downloaded are the 1985 shows - mostly around 50-100 downloads Could just be that the 1979 rips were done first so they have been around longer to receive more downloads On 31 March 2010 20:13, Alan Ford wrote: > > > Just out of interest, I see this group now has 757 members - does anyone > know how many times the average show gets downloaded? > > Alan >