Re: <Wiki> Editing other people’s work / FF79 & 80 questions

[ken garner]

sorry, too tired to search for these over the past two days. Give me another week or two. 
And I have my reward already, on page 284 of THE OLIVETTI CHRONICLES, something I 
was not expecting at all. Re: the Oldham Tinkers, I have read every regular Peel 
programme script up to Summer 1978 and Oldham Tinkers only were documented as 
appearing the once as a session. Unless they appeared on other irregular shows (eg Rock 
On, Peel's Pleasures) with new sessions, that is... but I think not. If the band have details of 
any others, I'd be happy to investigate. The Strawberry Studios recording location info is 
useful, thanks

k

--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@...> wrote:
>
> Can we put Ken forward for an OBE?
> Does anyone know the mechanism to do this?
> 
> > I dread admitting this, but I feel I should try to put you out of your misery: I do have 
the 
> > PasBs for those 77 F50 shows somewhere (my box files stop in June 78). If I get an 
hour or 
> > two over the weekend I'll see if I can find them and scan them...
> > 
> > k
> > 
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Mic" <hotmissile_lives@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the replies to my questions last week, and apologies for 
> > > not replying to your replies sooner. The main reason for my tardiness 
> > > is that I was hoping to say something useful like "I've corrected the 
> > > entries", but I still haven't managed to finish that... sorry.
> > > 
> > > Particular thanks to Ken and Bill for your comments about sessions 
> > > and song versions. I've been folding them in, but they've raised a 
> > > few more questions...
> > > 
> > > Firstly, Ken, you mentioned that the Adam and the Ants session on 29 
> > > December 1980 was a repeat of their second... which turns out to be 
> > > from 1978. Is that right? But then again, it looks like their only 
> > > later session was in 1979, so what they were doing in the best 
> > > sessions of the year, I don't know.
> > > 
> > > You also mention, both in your reply and your book, a band called 
> > > Misty, who I don't think I'm familiar with. Is that just a different 
> > > name for Misty in Roots?
> > > 
> > > And Bill, I fear that your work on the 1976 & 77 Fifties means that 
> > > I'm going to have to put just a bit more effort into confirming which 
> > > versions of songs are being played. Which is a good thing; I'm sure I 
> > > can't be alone in seeing your 1976 list and thinking "Ooh, that's 
> > > handy, now I know just which tracks I need to track down myself."
> > > 
> > > But I'm not quite sure what you're saying about some of these 
> > > versions. Take "Alison" in 1978 - are you saying that the single 
> > > version is different to the album version, or just that John played 
> > > the single? And similar for the others.
> > > 
> > > But I guess that begs another question - I've been listing songs with 
> > > their source record. Er, that's pretty vague. Maybe an example would 
> > > help. I'd say that "Alison" is 'from' 'My Aim Is True', even though 
> > > the single was released first, because that was the album the single 
> > > was sourced from. Conversely, I'd describe "Watching the Detectives" 
> > > as a '7" single', even though it's on the US version of 'My Aim Is 
> > > True' and the reissues, and it's on 'The Very Best of', because it 
> > > wasn't really *from* any of those albums. Does that make sense?
> > > 
> > > So back to the question: Does that seem a sensible way to credit 
> > > songs, or would it be better if I credited the actual record that 
> > > John (probably) played?
> > > 
> > > Right, that's my equivalent of a short memo. Thanks again, everyone.
> > > 
> > > Mic.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, <bill.spiby@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mic,
> > > > 
> > > > These pages are absolutely brill. Well done. Just a couple of 
> > > comments:
> > > > 
> > > > 1978
> > > > 37 Elvis Costello - Alison (JP plays it from Stiff BUY 14, 
> > > therefore it's the single)
> > > > 34 Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter (it was from The Scream 
> > > but obviously pre-edited to remove the swearing)
> > > > 20 The Rezillos - I Can't Stand My Baby (I think it's the Sensible 
> > > single version rather than the Sire LP)
> > > > 10 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (played from the EP (you can hear 
> > > the start of Smarter than You coming in)
> > > > 
> > > > 1979
> > > > 22 The Damned - Love Song (sound like it's played from the single)
> > > > 16 Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant (John sorta infers it's the single)
> > > > 02 The Undertones - Teenage Kicks (I reckon it would be the EP 
> > > really)
> > > > 
> > > > 1980
> > > > 42 The Damned - Smash it Up (sounds like the single to me)
> > > > 29 The Damned - Love Song (again I think it's the single)
> > > > 08 The Damned - New Rose (ditto)
> > > > 
> > > > I'm really looking forward to future installments. Will be posting 
> > > some observations myself this week on the 1977 Forgotten Fifty.
> > > > 
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Bill
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "Mic" <hotmissile_lives@>
> > > > > Date: 2008/10/16 Thu AM 12:51:15 BST
> > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [peel] <Wiki> Editing other people's work / FF79 & 80 
> > > questions
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm new here and I've joined up pretty much to get hold of & 
> > > listen 
> > > > > to Festive Fifties. Well, to start with anyway; I'm sure there 
> > > are 
> > > > > many, many great John Peel shows out there, it's just going to 
> > > take 
> > > > > me some time to get there...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, while I'm here, I thought I'd try and help out so as 
> > > > > to `repay' those people who've been cataloguing and digitising 
> > > those 
> > > > > shows. Unfortunately, I don't really have the skills or 
> > > technology to 
> > > > > assist with recording or anything, but I thought I might do 
> > > something 
> > > > > I was going to do anyway: listen to the Festive Fifties. Oh, and 
> > > > > while I'm doing that, I can make notes for the Peel Wiki.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I've done a few pages of that, for the 78 – 80 Festive 
> > > Fifties, 
> > > > > and the associated shows:
> > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1979_Festive_fifty
> > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/1980_Festive_Fifty
> > > > > However, other people have been working on those too, so I 
> > > thought 
> > > > > I'd draw attention to what I've been doing here. Rather than just 
> > > > > editing their work and running away. Does anyone have any 
> > > comments? 
> > > > > I've tried not to actually delete anything that's been previously 
> > > > > added, but my stuff's easily revertible if you want.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Has anyone any thoughts on what I've said, either? Too much 
> > > > > information? Too little? Since I'm not an expert on John Peel, or 
> > > > > music of the period or anything, I've tended to stick to `facts'; 
> > > > > that is, I haven't really commented on mood or feel, I've just 
> > > quoted 
> > > > > what John actually said in places. And rather than sticking all 
> > > his 
> > > > > comments at the top of the page, I've tended to list them in the 
> > > > > tracklisting, so that people can find them easily if they so 
> > > wish. I 
> > > > > also haven't really said anything about the details of Peel 
> > > > > sessions... the shows I've been listening to have all been "best 
> > > of 
> > > > > the year" shows, so it makes sense to me to just link to the 
> > > original 
> > > > > show... however, many of the shows aren't on the Wiki yet, but I 
> > > > > don't really feel right writing about shows I haven't heard 
> > > anything 
> > > > > from. If that makes sense.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If anyone's still reading after that rather lengthy preamble, 
> > > I've 
> > > > > also got a few questions about the 79 & 80 Festive Fifties. 
> > > Starting 
> > > > > from the top, I was wondering about the various 1979 recordings 
> > > > > available. For a start, I'm rather confused about the top 10 mp3 
> > > > > mentioned on the 1979 page itself. Now, as I said, I'm new here, 
> > > so 
> > > > > I've probably missed lots of talk about this already, but it 
> > > doesn't 
> > > > > sound like a top 10 mp3 at all to me. Once again, I don't have 
> > > any 
> > > > > fancy technology, I've just been listening to it on my PC with 
> > > run-of-
> > > > > the-mill headphones, so I may be wrong, but I reckon I can hear 
> > > 15 
> > > > > separate edits in it. And the between-song links don't match 
> > > those on 
> > > > > the other compilations mentioned on the page. And the other big 
> > > clue 
> > > > > is that "White Riot" wasn't actually in the 1979 top 10. So this 
> > > > > actually sounds to me like a reconstruction of the top 10 from 
> > > other 
> > > > > Peel shows and John's countdown towards the end of the Festive 
> > > Fifty 
> > > > > (between #2 & 3 and skipped in the other recording). Or have I 
> > > got 
> > > > > the wrong end of the stick here?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Next, a question about the 24th December show from 1979. I've got 
> > > > > this from torrent compilation 8 where it's labelled (three times) 
> > > as 
> > > > > being the 24/12 show. However, it struck me that there's nothing 
> > > to 
> > > > > confirm this on the recording – can this be verified in any way?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Finally, we have the 1980 shows, and what I'm most interested in 
> > > here 
> > > > > is the provenance of the various recordings. I've come across 
> > > three 
> > > > > sets of recordings, all of them only of the countdown part of the 
> > > > > shows. Firstly there are the 30242b recordings. As I say on the 
> > > Wiki, 
> > > > > these are mistagged, but that's not a problem. Also, one of 
> > > them's 
> > > > > missing from the website, and this seems as good a place as any 
> > > to 
> > > > > bring it to someone's attention – I can't see any contact info on 
> > > the 
> > > > > site.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Next there's the set on torrent compilation 1. I think these have 
> > > a 
> > > > > better sound quality, but I'm not entirely sure. The first two 
> > > have 
> > > > > identical content to the first two from 30242b, but I think 
> > > there's a 
> > > > > bit less noise – perhaps these are earlier generation tapes, or 
> > > do 
> > > > > people think they've just been digitised differently? Or am I 
> > > just 
> > > > > hearing things?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Confusingly, the third mp3 from the torrent seems to be made up 
> > > of 
> > > > > the third & fourth from 30242b, thus suggesting that that is an 
> > > equal 
> > > > > or later generation tape. Or perhaps the same tape, digitised in 
> > > > > different ways? Could anyone throw any light on that for me?
> > > > > 
> > > > > And after all that, there's yet another set on torrent 
> > > compilation 2. 
> > > > > These are individual mp3s, they only start from #40, and for some 
> > > > > reason #7 is missing (the replacement is tagged with "a stretch 
> > > > > mark"), but they sound to me like the best set of recordings. No 
> > > > > offense to whoever took the effort split them into individual 
> > > tracks –
> > > > >  it's very well done, and quite handy to have them in that form – 
> > > but 
> > > > > does anyone know if this recording is available as whole segments 
> > > > > from the shows?
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's it for now. Thanks for reading my huge spiel, and thanks 
> > > in 
> > > > > advance for any answers you may have. And, of course, thanks 
> > > everyone 
> > > > > who's been recording and keeping records of these shows.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mic.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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