From thebarguest@... Sat Mar 1 00:41:19 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:41:19 -0000 Subject: JP plays TD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Tangerine Dream" - a good name for a tribute group would be "Satsuma Dream" maybe ... No, the mandarins of the music biz wouldn't like that. OJ Simpson was a big fan, apparently .... Sorry. Pip Williams ps where the f*ck can I buy a tangerine these days ? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ajking106" wrote: > > hi alanjc > > Cheers, BTW when you said it was introduced by JP, I take it you > meant the BBC's FM recording of TD live at the Royal Albert Hall in > 1975 (from the Bootleg Box)? this was the short lived lineup of > Froese, Franke with new boy Michael Hoenig. John also saw the group > at Liverpool Cathedral, in fact he said it was one of the most > memerable gigs he ever went to. > > Shame you missed out on the Tangerine Tree and Tangerine Leaf discs, > these were done by fans 'or fans' and are basically the source > material for the 'two' Bootleg Box volumes. The TT and TL series ran > to hundreds of discs, covering TD's in 1968 right to their last gigs. > Shame the plug was pulled, but the discs are still out there. > > andy > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, cannon alan wrote: > > > > Hi > > This Xmas i treated myself to 7CD bootleg set > > of TD (thought u meant Technical Drawing for a sec) > > effectively an infinity's worth > > live recordings from the mid 70's > > saw them once in the Southampton Union refectory > > c.1974 > > anyway one is at Croydon Fairfield Hall > > Introduced by you know who > > very succinct and respectful > > still assimilating the said boxed set > > haven't checked KG for sessions > > but TD are a personal favourite > > weird early stuff > > middle commercial fairground rides > > film stuff > > overlapping best ofs > > even got some Edgar Froese on > > vinyl how annoyingly heavy > > or more conveniently on > > C90 how annoyingly non-mp3 compatible > > can't get to grips with audacity etc. > > and torrenting sends me doolally.. sigh > > be nice to catch TD in a cathedral some time > > alanjc > > > > > > --- ajking106 wrote: > > > > > Hi first post here > > > > > > Here's a long shot, but has anybody got a recording > > > of John Peel > > > playing TD in the early 70's? Perhaps a more > > > complete version of > > > this: > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > andy > > > > > > BBC Radio One, Top Gear, Feb 21st, 1974 > > > > > > John Peel: "The interesting thing about Tangerine > > > Dream is that in > > > the 6 or 7 years that Top Gear's been on Radio One > > > we've featured a > > > lot of remarkable sessions from people like Cream > > > and Jimi Hendrix > > > and the first ever sessions from people like Led > > > Zeppelin, and Jethro > > > Tull and Ten Years After, and T-Rex of course, and a > > > great number of > > > people who've gone to be become rich and famous and > > > gone on to forget > > > us (laughs*) but during all those 6 or 7 years I've > > > never had as much > > > mail about and favourable mail at that, about > > > anybody as I have had > > > about Tangerine Dream and that must mean something > > > even if you don't > > > like them and the first one from the band is, and > > > don't ask me what > > > it means as I have no idea, is called Mysterious > > > Semblance at the > > > Strand of Nightmares" > > > > > > Plays Track > > > > > > "Well, people are always writing in to me to tell me > > > I'm opinionated > > > sort of dude and I suppose that's actually probably > > > true, it would be > > > difficult to do programmes like this if I wasn't and > > > I know I'm > > > right about Tangerine Dream despite what people > > > occasionally say to > > > me, I do think they're excellent and their music I > > > think is > > > marvellous. That was the first from Tangerine Dream, > > > written by Edgar > > > Froese and it was called Mysterious Semblance at the > > > Strand of > > > Nightmares the kind of title which I must confess I > > > don't know " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Mar 1 01:50:18 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:50:18 -0000 Subject: JP plays TD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > "Tangerine Dream" - a good name for a tribute group would be Seriously, "Phaedra" is an amazing album. Ambient, electronic etc.. TD were excellent from 74 to 75. You never hear them mentioned as influences like Kraftwerk, but I'm sure they were to many ........ > "Satsuma Dream" maybe ... > > No, the mandarins of the music biz wouldn't like that. > > OJ Simpson was a big fan, apparently .... > > Sorry. > Pip Williams > > ps where the f*ck can I buy a tangerine these days ? > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ajking106" wrote: > > > > hi alanjc > > > > Cheers, BTW when you said it was introduced by JP, I take it you > > meant the BBC's FM recording of TD live at the Royal Albert Hall in > > 1975 (from the Bootleg Box)? this was the short lived lineup of > > Froese, Franke with new boy Michael Hoenig. John also saw the group > > at Liverpool Cathedral, in fact he said it was one of the most > > memerable gigs he ever went to. > > > > Shame you missed out on the Tangerine Tree and Tangerine Leaf > discs, > > these were done by fans 'or fans' and are basically the source > > material for the 'two' Bootleg Box volumes. The TT and TL series > ran > > to hundreds of discs, covering TD's in 1968 right to their last > gigs. > > Shame the plug was pulled, but the discs are still out there. > > > > andy > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, cannon alan wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > This Xmas i treated myself to 7CD bootleg set > > > of TD (thought u meant Technical Drawing for a sec) > > > effectively an infinity's worth > > > live recordings from the mid 70's > > > saw them once in the Southampton Union refectory > > > c.1974 > > > anyway one is at Croydon Fairfield Hall > > > Introduced by you know who > > > very succinct and respectful > > > still assimilating the said boxed set > > > haven't checked KG for sessions > > > but TD are a personal favourite > > > weird early stuff > > > middle commercial fairground rides > > > film stuff > > > overlapping best ofs > > > even got some Edgar Froese on > > > vinyl how annoyingly heavy > > > or more conveniently on > > > C90 how annoyingly non-mp3 compatible > > > can't get to grips with audacity etc. > > > and torrenting sends me doolally.. sigh > > > be nice to catch TD in a cathedral some time > > > alanjc > > > > > > > > > --- ajking106 wrote: > > > > > > > Hi first post here > > > > > > > > Here's a long shot, but has anybody got a recording > > > > of John Peel > > > > playing TD in the early 70's? Perhaps a more > > > > complete version of > > > > this: > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > andy > > > > > > > > BBC Radio One, Top Gear, Feb 21st, 1974 > > > > > > > > John Peel: "The interesting thing about Tangerine > > > > Dream is that in > > > > the 6 or 7 years that Top Gear's been on Radio One > > > > we've featured a > > > > lot of remarkable sessions from people like Cream > > > > and Jimi Hendrix > > > > and the first ever sessions from people like Led > > > > Zeppelin, and Jethro > > > > Tull and Ten Years After, and T-Rex of course, and a > > > > great number of > > > > people who've gone to be become rich and famous and > > > > gone on to forget > > > > us (laughs*) but during all those 6 or 7 years I've > > > > never had as much > > > > mail about and favourable mail at that, about > > > > anybody as I have had > > > > about Tangerine Dream and that must mean something > > > > even if you don't > > > > like them and the first one from the band is, and > > > > don't ask me what > > > > it means as I have no idea, is called Mysterious > > > > Semblance at the > > > > Strand of Nightmares" > > > > > > > > Plays Track > > > > > > > > "Well, people are always writing in to me to tell me > > > > I'm opinionated > > > > sort of dude and I suppose that's actually probably > > > > true, it would be > > > > difficult to do programmes like this if I wasn't and > > > > I know I'm > > > > right about Tangerine Dream despite what people > > > > occasionally say to > > > > me, I do think they're excellent and their music I > > > > think is > > > > marvellous. That was the first from Tangerine Dream, > > > > written by Edgar > > > > Froese and it was called Mysterious Semblance at the > > > > Strand of > > > > Nightmares the kind of title which I must confess I > > > > don't know " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > > > > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > > > > > > From deedeeramain@... Sat Mar 1 08:17:25 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:17:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Re: JP plays TD Message-ID: <784458.8355.qm@...> .........and of course they split up because they ran out of juice! (Groan!) DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: thebarguest To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 2:41:19 AM Subject: [peel] Re: JP plays TD "Tangerine Dream" - a good name for a tribute group would be "Satsuma Dream" maybe ... No, the mandarins of the music biz wouldn't like that. OJ Simpson was a big fan, apparently .... Sorry. Pip Williams ps where the f*ck can I buy a tangerine these days ? --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "ajking106" wrote: > > hi alanjc > > Cheers, BTW when you said it was introduced by JP, I take it you > meant the BBC's FM recording of TD live at the Royal Albert Hall in > 1975 (from the Bootleg Box)? this was the short lived lineup of > Froese, Franke with new boy Michael Hoenig. John also saw the group > at Liverpool Cathedral, in fact he said it was one of the most > memerable gigs he ever went to. > > Shame you missed out on the Tangerine Tree and Tangerine Leaf discs, > these were done by fans 'or fans' and are basically the source > material for the 'two' Bootleg Box volumes. The TT and TL series ran > to hundreds of discs, covering TD's in 1968 right to their last gigs. > Shame the plug was pulled, but the discs are still out there. > > andy > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, cannon alan wrote: > > > > Hi > > This Xmas i treated myself to 7CD bootleg set > > of TD (thought u meant Technical Drawing for a sec) > > effectively an infinity's worth > > live recordings from the mid 70's > > saw them once in the Southampton Union refectory > > c.1974 > > anyway one is at Croydon Fairfield Hall > > Introduced by you know who > > very succinct and respectful > > still assimilating the said boxed set > > haven't checked KG for sessions > > but TD are a personal favourite > > weird early stuff > > middle commercial fairground rides > > film stuff > > overlapping best ofs > > even got some Edgar Froese on > > vinyl how annoyingly heavy > > or more conveniently on > > C90 how annoyingly non-mp3 compatible > > can't get to grips with audacity etc. > > and torrenting sends me doolally.. sigh > > be nice to catch TD in a cathedral some time > > alanjc > > > > > > --- ajking106 wrote: > > > > > Hi first post here > > > > > > Here's a long shot, but has anybody got a recording > > > of John Peel > > > playing TD in the early 70's? Perhaps a more > > > complete version of > > > this: > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > andy > > > > > > BBC Radio One, Top Gear, Feb 21st, 1974 > > > > > > John Peel: "The interesting thing about Tangerine > > > Dream is that in > > > the 6 or 7 years that Top Gear's been on Radio One > > > we've featured a > > > lot of remarkable sessions from people like Cream > > > and Jimi Hendrix > > > and the first ever sessions from people like Led > > > Zeppelin, and Jethro > > > Tull and Ten Years After, and T-Rex of course, and a > > > great number of > > > people who've gone to be become rich and famous and > > > gone on to forget > > > us (laughs*) but during all those 6 or 7 years I've > > > never had as much > > > mail about and favourable mail at that, about > > > anybody as I have had > > > about Tangerine Dream and that must mean something > > > even if you don't > > > like them and the first one from the band is, and > > > don't ask me what > > > it means as I have no idea, is called Mysterious > > > Semblance at the > > > Strand of Nightmares" > > > > > > Plays Track > > > > > > "Well, people are always writing in to me to tell me > > > I'm opinionated > > > sort of dude and I suppose that's actually probably > > > true, it would be > > > difficult to do programmes like this if I wasn't and > > > I know I'm > > > right about Tangerine Dream despite what people > > > occasionally say to > > > me, I do think they're excellent and their music I > > > think is > > > marvellous. That was the first from Tangerine Dream, > > > written by Edgar > > > Froese and it was called Mysterious Semblance at the > > > Strand of > > > Nightmares the kind of title which I must confess I > > > don't know…" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > > > http://uk.promotion s.yahoo.com/ forgood/ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ajking106@... Sat Mar 1 10:19:16 2008 From: ajking106@... (ajking106) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:19:16 -0000 Subject: JP plays TD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rather depends which groups or artists you follow. If you like people like Ulrich Schnauss, M83, Kasabian, LFO or DJ Shadow then they all say they that TD influenced them....apologises for mentioning them again on a John Peel list :) --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > "Tangerine Dream" - a good name for a tribute group would be > Seriously, "Phaedra" is an amazing album. Ambient, electronic etc.. > > TD were excellent from 74 to 75. > > You never hear them mentioned as influences like > Kraftwerk, but I'm sure they were to many ........ > > > > > "Satsuma Dream" maybe ... > > > > No, the mandarins of the music biz wouldn't like that. > > > > OJ Simpson was a big fan, apparently .... > > > > Sorry. > > Pip Williams > > > > ps where the f*ck can I buy a tangerine these days ? > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ajking106" wrote: > > > > > > hi alanjc > > > > > > Cheers, BTW when you said it was introduced by JP, I take it you > > > meant the BBC's FM recording of TD live at the Royal Albert Hall > in > > > 1975 (from the Bootleg Box)? this was the short lived lineup of > > > Froese, Franke with new boy Michael Hoenig. John also saw the > group > > > at Liverpool Cathedral, in fact he said it was one of the most > > > memerable gigs he ever went to. > > > > > > Shame you missed out on the Tangerine Tree and Tangerine Leaf > > discs, > > > these were done by fans 'or fans' and are basically the source > > > material for the 'two' Bootleg Box volumes. The TT and TL series > > ran > > > to hundreds of discs, covering TD's in 1968 right to their last > > gigs. > > > Shame the plug was pulled, but the discs are still out there. > > > > > > andy > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, cannon alan wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > This Xmas i treated myself to 7CD bootleg set > > > > of TD (thought u meant Technical Drawing for a sec) > > > > effectively an infinity's worth > > > > live recordings from the mid 70's > > > > saw them once in the Southampton Union refectory > > > > c.1974 > > > > anyway one is at Croydon Fairfield Hall > > > > Introduced by you know who > > > > very succinct and respectful > > > > still assimilating the said boxed set > > > > haven't checked KG for sessions > > > > but TD are a personal favourite > > > > weird early stuff > > > > middle commercial fairground rides > > > > film stuff > > > > overlapping best ofs > > > > even got some Edgar Froese on > > > > vinyl how annoyingly heavy > > > > or more conveniently on > > > > C90 how annoyingly non-mp3 compatible > > > > can't get to grips with audacity etc. > > > > and torrenting sends me doolally.. sigh > > > > be nice to catch TD in a cathedral some time > > > > alanjc > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ajking106 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi first post here > > > > > > > > > > Here's a long shot, but has anybody got a recording > > > > > of John Peel > > > > > playing TD in the early 70's? Perhaps a more > > > > > complete version of > > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > andy > > > > > > > > > > BBC Radio One, Top Gear, Feb 21st, 1974 > > > > > > > > > > John Peel: "The interesting thing about Tangerine > > > > > Dream is that in > > > > > the 6 or 7 years that Top Gear's been on Radio One > > > > > we've featured a > > > > > lot of remarkable sessions from people like Cream > > > > > and Jimi Hendrix > > > > > and the first ever sessions from people like Led > > > > > Zeppelin, and Jethro > > > > > Tull and Ten Years After, and T-Rex of course, and a > > > > > great number of > > > > > people who've gone to be become rich and famous and > > > > > gone on to forget > > > > > us (laughs*) but during all those 6 or 7 years I've > > > > > never had as much > > > > > mail about and favourable mail at that, about > > > > > anybody as I have had > > > > > about Tangerine Dream and that must mean something > > > > > even if you don't > > > > > like them and the first one from the band is, and > > > > > don't ask me what > > > > > it means as I have no idea, is called Mysterious > > > > > Semblance at the > > > > > Strand of Nightmares" > > > > > > > > > > Plays Track > > > > > > > > > > "Well, people are always writing in to me to tell me > > > > > I'm opinionated > > > > > sort of dude and I suppose that's actually probably > > > > > true, it would be > > > > > difficult to do programmes like this if I wasn't and > > > > > I know I'm > > > > > right about Tangerine Dream despite what people > > > > > occasionally say to > > > > > me, I do think they're excellent and their music I > > > > > think is > > > > > marvellous. That was the first from Tangerine Dream, > > > > > written by Edgar > > > > > Froese and it was called Mysterious Semblance at the > > > > > Strand of > > > > > Nightmares the kind of title which I must confess I > > > > > don't know " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > > > > > > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > > > > > > > > > > From ajcauk@... Sat Mar 1 12:13:28 2008 From: ajcauk@... (cannon alan) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:13:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: JP plays TD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <921313.11042.qm@...> hi you are right of course --- ajking106 wrote: > hi alanjc > > Cheers, BTW when you said it was introduced by JP, I > take it you > meant the BBC's FM recording of TD live at the Royal > Albert Hall in > 1975 (from the Bootleg Box)? this was the short > lived lineup of > Froese, Franke with new boy Michael Hoenig. John > also saw the group > at Liverpool Cathedral, in fact he said it was one > of the most > memerable gigs he ever went to. > > Shame you missed out on the Tangerine Tree and > Tangerine Leaf discs, > these were done by fans 'or fans' and are basically > the source > material for the 'two' Bootleg Box volumes. The TT > and TL series ran > to hundreds of discs, covering TD's in 1968 right to > their last gigs. > Shame the plug was pulled, but the discs are still > out there. > > andy > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, cannon alan > wrote: > > > > Hi > > This Xmas i treated myself to 7CD bootleg set > > of TD (thought u meant Technical Drawing for a > sec) > > effectively an infinity's worth > > live recordings from the mid 70's > > saw them once in the Southampton Union refectory > > c.1974 > > anyway one is at Croydon Fairfield Hall > > Introduced by you know who > > very succinct and respectful > > still assimilating the said boxed set > > haven't checked KG for sessions > > but TD are a personal favourite > > weird early stuff > > middle commercial fairground rides > > film stuff > > overlapping best ofs > > even got some Edgar Froese on > > vinyl how annoyingly heavy > > or more conveniently on > > C90 how annoyingly non-mp3 compatible > > can't get to grips with audacity etc. > > and torrenting sends me doolally.. sigh > > be nice to catch TD in a cathedral some time > > alanjc > > > > > > --- ajking106 wrote: > > > > > Hi first post here > > > > > > Here's a long shot, but has anybody got a > recording > > > of John Peel > > > playing TD in the early 70's? Perhaps a more > > > complete version of > > > this: > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > andy > > > > > > BBC Radio One, Top Gear, Feb 21st, 1974 > > > > > > John Peel: "The interesting thing about > Tangerine > > > Dream is that in > > > the 6 or 7 years that Top Gear's been on Radio > One > > > we've featured a > > > lot of remarkable sessions from people like > Cream > > > and Jimi Hendrix > > > and the first ever sessions from people like Led > > > Zeppelin, and Jethro > > > Tull and Ten Years After, and T-Rex of course, > and a > > > great number of > > > people who've gone to be become rich and famous > and > > > gone on to forget > > > us (laughs*) but during all those 6 or 7 years > I've > > > never had as much > > > mail about and favourable mail at that, about > > > anybody as I have had > > > about Tangerine Dream and that must mean > something > > > even if you don't > > > like them and the first one from the band is, > and > > > don't ask me what > > > it means as I have no idea, is called Mysterious > > > Semblance at the > > > Strand of Nightmares" > > > > > > Plays Track > > > > > > "Well, people are always writing in to me to > tell me > > > I'm opinionated > > > sort of dude and I suppose that's actually > probably > > > true, it would be > > > difficult to do programmes like this if I wasn't > and > > > I know I'm > > > right about Tangerine Dream despite what people > > > occasionally say to > > > me, I do think they're excellent and their music > I > > > think is > > > marvellous. That was the first from Tangerine > Dream, > > > written by Edgar > > > Froese and it was called Mysterious Semblance at > the > > > Strand of > > > Nightmares the kind of title which I must > confess I > > > don't know�" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > For Good > > > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ From rockerq@... Sat Mar 1 18:25:09 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:25:09 EST Subject: [peel] Re: JP plays TD Message-ID: > <<........and of course they split up because they ran out of juice! > (Groan!) > > DeeDee>> > Of course The "Peel" show was their natural home Rocker From martinw@... Sat Mar 1 21:42:47 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:42:47 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: JP plays TD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Things don't always work out the way you expect them Peel playing Tangerine Dream was the start of Richard Branson's Virgin empire. His shop in Notting Hill Gate made it's initial reputation by importing the TD albums from Germany - I think the first place in London to do so People in London were searching everywhere for the records after Peel started playing them (except for me - I had a friend in Germany!) Branson later went on to release the albums here when he started the Virgin Records label martinw From lollygagger@... Sun Mar 2 21:34:56 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:34:56 -0000 Subject: John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B58F5FE24F941CABE978715186F74BA@LAPTOP> Hi All Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? If not are they available anywhere? Adam From festive50@... Sun Mar 2 23:03:45 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:03:45 -0000 Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: <7B58F5FE24F941CABE978715186F74BA@LAPTOP> Message-ID: Here's some of them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/ Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lollygagger Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Hi All Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? If not are they available anywhere? Adam From lollygagger@... Mon Mar 3 02:04:57 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 -0000 Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your help I was looking for 1988 The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful to know. I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them accurately. It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes only have month and year on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Edwards To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Here's some of them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/ Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lollygagger Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Hi All Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? If not are they available anywhere? Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41 From michstoecker@... Mon Mar 3 02:58:55 2008 From: michstoecker@... (michael stoecker) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:58:55 +0000 Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adam, Well, the easiest thing to do would be to listen to the show and pick out the session tracks specifically and then grab Mr. Garner's tome and just look up when the session was played. That should get you any date. Michael To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: lollygagger@... Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Thanks for your help I was looking for 1988 The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful to know. I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them accurately. It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes only have month and year on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Edwards To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Here's some of them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/tracklistings/ Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lollygagger Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Hi All Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? If not are they available anywhere? Adam No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41 From deedeeramain@... Mon Mar 3 07:28:39 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:28:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Message-ID: <450174.96812.qm@...> ........or you could simply post the archives as a torrent / yousendit /megaupload and we'll identify them for you (hint, hint!!) DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: michael stoecker To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 4:58:55 AM Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Adam, Well, the easiest thing to do would be to listen to the show and pick out the session tracks specifically and then grab Mr. Garner's tome and just look up when the session was played. That should get you any date. Michael To: peel@yahoogroups. com From: lollygagger@ talktalk. net Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Thanks for your help I was looking for 1988 The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful to know. I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them accurately. It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes only have month and year on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Edwards To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Here's some of them. http://www.bbc. co.uk/radio1/ johnpeel/ tracklistings/ Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of lollygagger Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 To: peel@yahoogroups. com Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? Hi All Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? If not are they available anywhere? Adam No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From vinpinman@... Mon Mar 3 10:41:07 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:41:07 -0000 Subject: John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: <450174.96812.qm@...> Message-ID: Got thrown by the use of the name Adam. Will get back to the wiki soon, this I still think will be the best way of keeping track of, ahem, track listings. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > ........or you could simply post the archives as a torrent / yousendit /megaupload and we'll identify them for you (hint, hint!!) > > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: michael stoecker > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 4:58:55 AM > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > Adam, > > Well, the easiest thing to do would be to listen to the show and pick out the session tracks specifically and then grab Mr. Garner's tome and just look up when the session was played. That should get you any date. > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > From: lollygagger@ talktalk. net > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 +0000 > Subject: Re: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > Thanks for your help > > I was looking for 1988 > > The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful to know. > > I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them accurately. > > It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes only have month and year on them. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Edwards > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > Here's some of them. > http://www.bbc. co.uk/radio1/ johnpeel/ tracklistings/ > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of lollygagger > Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > Hi All > > Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? > > If not are they available anywhere? > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 01/03/2008 17:41 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From ken_garner@... Mon Mar 3 11:37:19 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:37:19 -0000 Subject: John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All suggestions so far very useful and correct for our colleague: Let's hear the show as a digital file, please! Because, yes, given the shows index in my book, it should now be possible to date almost any Peel show based on a complete (or even one-third complete) tape, as long as it has a session in it. Ones without sessions might be trickier! Do the running orders survive? To sum up info which is referred to in tiny print in the intro to the back half of my book (for the benefit of those who do not have it yet - and by the way, sales have tailed off so feel free to get shopping!)... - Almost every running order of every Peel show up to about 1996 survives on microfilms of the original typed scripts or PasBs (Programme as Broadcast) held at BBC Written Archives, Caversham (near Reading). One or two are missing, a few more are fragmentary or damaged. But most are fine. Anyone can request a booking to spend time on a given day (they tell you the dates you can have in their reading room) reading them, although this is most commonly done by academics and historians. - After 1996 things get complicated. Radio 1 switched to just doing digital copyright music reports, on their own Romeo computer. Some of these are in there , some not, but they are generally not accessible to anyone outside Radio 1. There is no agreed system for such digital files to be 'archived' to Written Archives! Louise Kattenhorn, Peel's last producer, did arrange for those scripts she had from her years 01-04 to go on the R1 website as noted. - However, both Alison Howe (Peel producer 95-98) and Anita Kamath (Peel producer 98-01) continued to produce their own PasBs for production purposes. These hard copies' location or survival is a mystery. Anita gave them, 2 or 3 boxes of A4 paper effectively, to Phil Lawton, before his job as R1 archivist was abolished in 2001. Before he left the BBC, Phil transferred them at Maida Vale to Roger Olive, of Digital Archives Preservations. He then sent them off with loads of other stuff to BBC Written Archives sometime around the time of John's death (2004? 2005?). Jeff Walden at Written Archives (very helpful bloke) has so far (last time we spoke in November) not managed to locate them, but says they might be in truck loads of stuff they've been sent in recent years by various BBC production departments, but simply have not had time to find out what's in the boxes and catalogue it! So there you go. I think I'll ask him again now it's on my mind... ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > Got thrown by the use of the name Adam. > > Will get back to the wiki soon, this I still think will be the best > way of keeping track of, ahem, track listings. > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > > > ........or you could simply post the archives as a torrent / > yousendit /megaupload and we'll identify them for you (hint, hint!!) > > > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: michael stoecker > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 4:58:55 AM > > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > Adam, > > > > Well, the easiest thing to do would be to listen to the show and > pick out the session tracks specifically and then grab Mr. Garner's > tome and just look up when the session was played. That should get > you any date. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > From: lollygagger@ talktalk. net > > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > I was looking for 1988 > > > > The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful > to know. > > > > I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them > accurately. > > > > It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes > only have month and year on them. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Phil Edwards > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM > > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > Here's some of them. > > http://www.bbc. co.uk/radio1/ johnpeel/ tracklistings/ > > > > Phil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com]On > Behalf Of lollygagger > > Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? > > > > If not are they available anywhere? > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: > 01/03/2008 17:41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > From vinpinman@... Mon Mar 3 11:55:02 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:55:02 -0000 Subject: John Peels tracklistings ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have to say, I really like the fact that the system collapsed once computers got involved --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > All suggestions so far very useful and correct for our colleague: > Let's hear the show as a digital file, please! Because, yes, given > the shows index in my book, it should now be possible to date almost > any Peel show based on a complete (or even one-third complete) tape, > as long as it has a session in it. Ones without sessions might be > trickier! > > Do the running orders survive? To sum up info which is referred to in > tiny print in the intro to the back half of my book (for the benefit > of those who do not have it yet - and by the way, sales have tailed > off so feel free to get shopping!)... > > - Almost every running order of every Peel show up to about 1996 > survives on microfilms of the original typed scripts or PasBs > (Programme as Broadcast) held at BBC Written Archives, Caversham > (near Reading). One or two are missing, a few more are fragmentary or > damaged. But most are fine. Anyone can request a booking to spend > time on a given day (they tell you the dates you can have in their > reading room) reading them, although this is most commonly done by > academics and historians. > > - After 1996 things get complicated. Radio 1 switched to just doing > digital copyright music reports, on their own Romeo computer. Some of > these are in there , some not, but they are generally not accessible > to anyone outside Radio 1. There is no agreed system for such digital > files to be 'archived' to Written Archives! Louise Kattenhorn, Peel's > last producer, did arrange for those scripts she had from her years > 01-04 to go on the R1 website as noted. > > - However, both Alison Howe (Peel producer 95-98) and Anita Kamath > (Peel producer 98-01) continued to produce their own PasBs for > production purposes. These hard copies' location or survival is a > mystery. Anita gave them, 2 or 3 boxes of A4 paper effectively, to > Phil Lawton, before his job as R1 archivist was abolished in 2001. > Before he left the BBC, Phil transferred them at Maida Vale to Roger > Olive, of Digital Archives Preservations. He then sent them off with > loads of other stuff to BBC Written Archives sometime around the time > of John's death (2004? 2005?). Jeff Walden at Written Archives (very > helpful bloke) has so far (last time we spoke in November) not > managed to locate them, but says they might be in truck loads of > stuff they've been sent in recent years by various BBC production > departments, but simply have not had time to find out what's in the > boxes and catalogue it! So there you go. I think I'll ask him again > now it's on my mind... > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > Got thrown by the use of the name Adam. > > > > Will get back to the wiki soon, this I still think will be the best > > way of keeping track of, ahem, track listings. > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > > > > > ........or you could simply post the archives as a torrent / > > yousendit /megaupload and we'll identify them for you (hint, hint!!) > > > > > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: michael stoecker > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 4:58:55 AM > > > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > Adam, > > > > > > Well, the easiest thing to do would be to listen to the show and > > pick out the session tracks specifically and then grab Mr. Garner's > > tome and just look up when the session was played. That should get > > you any date. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > > From: lollygagger@ talktalk. net > > > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:04:57 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > I was looking for 1988 > > > > > > The web BBC website with track listings for 2002 -2004 is useful > > to know. > > > > > > I am archiving some old tapes and it is useful to date them > > accurately. > > > > > > It would also be useful to find a given track as most of my tapes > > only have month and year on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Phil Edwards > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:03 PM > > > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's some of them. > > > http://www.bbc. co.uk/radio1/ johnpeel/ tracklistings/ > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com]On > > Behalf Of lollygagger > > > Sent: 02 March 2008 20:35 > > > To: peel@yahoogroups. com > > > Subject: [peel] John Peels tracklistings ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > Did the BBC keep John's tracklistings for his shows? > > > > > > If not are they available anywhere? > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: > > 01/03/2008 17:41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > From hubcity@... Mon Mar 3 12:30:42 2008 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:30:42 -0500 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #195: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JX5008DAJZCN3B0@...> This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - Tapes 'n Tapes - Red Vein - Black Kids - The Kills - Forward Russia! - The Presets Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. Now then, in addition to the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com, we've added features we know you'll like... Mondays at 11:30am Eastern (with a preview at 0730 GMT) you get to hear Sean Carolan (often referred to in these dispatches as "me") showcase the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... And on Friday, it's Altrok's Eighties Friday: music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. 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Tue Mar 4 16:21:27 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:21:27 +0000 Subject: More sad Kershaw news Message-ID: <20080304151950.FMZQ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Andy Kershaw was released from prison last Friday. A quiet upbeat article appeared in the Daily Mail including some of Andy's prison diary which shows he still has a sense of humour http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=523609&in_page_id=1773 Then yesterday there was an interview in The Daily Mirror where he appeared to be very angry indeed. http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/latest/2008/03/03/exclusive-andy-kershaw-s-first-interview-since-leaving-jail-89520-20338693/ Today it is reported that he's been arrested again from breaching the restraining order - very sad indeed. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From colinbray@... Tue Mar 4 21:04:22 2008 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:04:22 +0000 Subject: [peel] More sad Kershaw news In-Reply-To: <20080304151950.FMZQ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080304151950.FMZQ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Utterly sad, especially as you read both these articles. This may sound strange but I wonder if it would have happened if Peel were still alive. Andy just loved John and would have been desperate not to disappoint him. In losing him I suspect he lost a father. Is that overstating it? To: peel@yahoogroups.comFrom: robfleay@...: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:21:27 +0000Subject: [peel] More sad Kershaw news Andy Kershaw was released from prison last Friday.A quiet upbeat article appeared in the Daily Mail including some of Andy's prison diary which shows he still has a sense of humourhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=523609&in_page_id=1773Then yesterday there was an interview in The Daily Mirror where he appeared to be very angry indeed.http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/latest/2008/03/03/exclusive-andy-kershaw-s-first-interview-since-leaving-jail-89520-20338693/Today it is reported that he's been arrested again from breaching the restraining order - very sad indeed.-----------------------------------------Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/emailVirus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan From thebarguest@... Tue Mar 4 23:14:14 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:14:14 -0000 Subject: fao Rich Shaw Brown - the Misunderstood In-Reply-To: <40647.78855.qm@...> Message-ID: Hi Rich and all ! Just listening to Peely playing some Misunderstood on the show that was "up for grabs" here recently dated 820427 (thanks again donors). He liked 'Children of the Sun' so much, he played the next song by them as well, and paid several compliments ! Sounds great to me, well done that Yank ! Bye John Bullsh*t ps lovely UB40 sesh on that show - they weren't all poppy and Peely loved it ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Shaw Brown wrote: > > Terrascope-on-line-review: Like, Misunderstood : Jan 2008 > > Category: Music > > RICH BROWN AND MIKE STAX - LIKE, MISUNDERSTOOD > (Book - ISBN 978-0-9778166-1-3 http://www.themisunderstood.com ) > > The Misunderstood were one of the most innovative and enigmatic bands > of the Sixties and one of the psychedelic era's best loved groups. > Originally hailing from America, where they formed in 1964, but first > establishing a name for themselves in England two years later under the > tutelage of John Peel, their story is extensively documented elsewhere > on Terrascope Online courtesy of an extensive interview with guitarist > Glenn Campbell undertaken on our behalf by Richie Unterberger. An > edited-down version later appeared as part of a chapter on the > Misunderstood for Richie's book about "cult rock" artists, published by > Miller Freeman Books. Rick Brown was the band's singer until early 1967 > when he was drafted into the US Army, and together with 'Ugly Things' > magazine editor Mike Stax, they've produced this book which details, at > length, Rick's journey to enlightenment and beyond (how much "beyond" > can be gauged from the fact that he initially leaves the Misunderstood > and returns to the USA in Chapter 63, which takes place early in 1966, > and there are 147 chapters in all...) > > The prose style throughout the book is best described as > 'conversational', or as Rick Brown himself maintains, "it's in 1st > person wise-guy narrative - a really funny version of The Misunderstood > story". Much of these conversations are obviously assumed, given that > Rick himself wasn't actually there at the time. If it reads like a > screenplay that's because it ostensibily is a screenplay: Rick again, > "Now we have a screenplay and want to make a feature film using real > Misunderstood music. Luckily we recorded, in Dec 1966, the classic line > up with Tony Hill. The book is based on the screenplay. It really gets > to the heart of the Misunderstood, from the inside view.... " > > Nowhere does it mention why, on moving to Bangkok, Richard Shaw Brown > (to give him his full name) doesn't call himself Rick Shaw. I call that > a wasted golden opportunity. There's no disputing that it's an > extremely entertaining read though, and also filled with fascinating > facts and facets of everyday life in the early-mid 60s. Published in > enviably thick card covers, if this is vanity publishing, then call me > vain but I'd be happy to see more of the same hit the shelves - and I > can't wait to see the promised film... (Phil McMullen) > > http://www.terrascope.co.uk/Reviews/Reviews_January08.htm > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From thebarguest@... Tue Mar 4 23:33:41 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:33:41 -0000 Subject: More sad Kershaw news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi. I know one shouldn't judge others, but, with all the talk in the media about liberal, constructive penal sentencing, why didn't the judge order some anger management sessions for AK ? Or during incarceration, maybe he could have read some spiritual stuff, after all, a lot of the world music he played on his wireless shows espoused the principles of tolerance, forgiveness, peace and harmony, moving on etc.......... Bye. Teddy Lester ps he's lucky it's not 1978 - he might have been birched !!!! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, colin bray wrote: > > > Utterly sad, especially as you read both these articles. > > This may sound strange but I wonder if it would have happened if Peel were still alive. Andy just loved John and would have been desperate not to disappoint him. In losing him I suspect he lost a father. > > Is that overstating it? > > > To: peel@...: robfleay@...: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:21:27 +0000Subject: [peel] More sad Kershaw news > > > > > Andy Kershaw was released from prison last Friday.A quiet upbeat article appeared in the Daily Mail including some of Andy's prison diary which shows he still has a sense of humourhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbizne ws.html?in_article_id=523609&in_page_id=1773Then yesterday there was an interview in The Daily Mirror where he appeared to be very angry indeed.http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/latest/2008/03/03/exclusive- andy-kershaw-s-first-interview-since-leaving-jail-89520- 20338693/Today it is reported that he's been arrested again from breaching the restraining order - very sad indeed.-------------------- ---------------------Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/emailVirus- checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx? icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan > From rockerq@... Wed Mar 5 00:51:47 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:47 EST Subject: [peel] Re: More sad Kershaw news Message-ID: > < the media about liberal, constructive penal sentencing, why didn't > the judge order some anger management sessions for AK ?>> > Ever been to the Isle Of Man? It has it's own judicial system & is the only place in the British Isles where The cat'o nine tails is still a legal punishment. The Fast Show had it spot on! Rocker From thebarguest@... Wed Mar 5 01:21:13 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:21:13 -0000 Subject: More sad Kershaw news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi. No, I think they were forced to get rid of the birch around 1978 because of the EEC (surprise, surprise) ! I've heard stories of Liverpool folk who were birched in the Isle of Man who certainly "learnt their lesson" and didn't transgress again (although I'm not an advocate of corporal punishment). The 'Fast Show' was great as was Steve Coogan's stuff (apart from 'Tony Ferrino') .......... Bye. Guck Hughes ` --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > > < > the media about liberal, constructive penal sentencing, why didn't > > the judge order some anger management sessions for AK ?>> > > > Ever been to the Isle Of Man? It has it's own judicial system & is the only > place in the British Isles where The cat'o nine tails is still a legal > punishment. The Fast Show had it spot on! > > Rocker > From deedeeramain@... Wed Mar 5 03:05:31 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:05:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] fao Rich Shaw Brown - the Misunderstood Message-ID: <842573.238.qm@...> Yeah! I played that file for the first time over the last weekend and it reminded me that Rick Brown hadn't made an appearance for a while. Aren't we due another installment from his autobiography? I reckon he should serialise his book here on the Peel Group! I also caught Melt Banana for the first time. Wow! They're a great shouty band! That was just the sort of curve ball I loved from Peel. I don't understand why they were slagged off so much here recently. After listening to some of David Gedge's tired old warblings about how his girlfriend had left him yet again I think I know which I prefer! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: thebarguest To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 1:14:14 AM Subject: [peel] fao Rich Shaw Brown - the Misunderstood Hi Rich and all ! Just listening to Peely playing some Misunderstood on the show that was "up for grabs" here recently dated 820427 (thanks again donors). He liked 'Children of the Sun' so much, he played the next song by them as well, and paid several compliments ! Sounds great to me, well done that Yank ! Bye John Bullsh*t ps lovely UB40 sesh on that show - they weren't all poppy and Peely loved it ! --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Richard Shaw Brown wrote: > > Terrascope-on- line-review: Like, Misunderstood : Jan 2008 > > Category: Music > > RICH BROWN AND MIKE STAX - LIKE, MISUNDERSTOOD > (Book - ISBN 978-0-9778166- 1-3 http://www.themisun derstood. com ) > > The Misunderstood were one of the most innovative and enigmatic bands > of the Sixties and one of the psychedelic era's best loved groups. > Originally hailing from America, where they formed in 1964, but first > establishing a name for themselves in England two years later under the > tutelage of John Peel, their story is extensively documented elsewhere > on Terrascope Online courtesy of an extensive interview with guitarist > Glenn Campbell undertaken on our behalf by Richie Unterberger. An > edited-down version later appeared as part of a chapter on the > Misunderstood for Richie's book about "cult rock" artists, published by > Miller Freeman Books. Rick Brown was the band's singer until early 1967 > when he was drafted into the US Army, and together with 'Ugly Things' > magazine editor Mike Stax, they've produced this book which details, at > length, Rick's journey to enlightenment and beyond (how much "beyond" > can be gauged from the fact that he initially leaves the Misunderstood > and returns to the USA in Chapter 63, which takes place early in 1966, > and there are 147 chapters in all...) > > The prose style throughout the book is best described as > 'conversational' , or as Rick Brown himself maintains, "it's in 1st > person wise-guy narrative - a really funny version of The Misunderstood > story". Much of these conversations are obviously assumed, given that > Rick himself wasn't actually there at the time. If it reads like a > screenplay that's because it ostensibily is a screenplay: Rick again, > "Now we have a screenplay and want to make a feature film using real > Misunderstood music. Luckily we recorded, in Dec 1966, the classic line > up with Tony Hill. The book is based on the screenplay. It really gets > to the heart of the Misunderstood, from the inside view.... " > > Nowhere does it mention why, on moving to Bangkok, Richard Shaw Brown > (to give him his full name) doesn't call himself Rick Shaw. I call that > a wasted golden opportunity. There's no disputing that it's an > extremely entertaining read though, and also filled with fascinating > facts and facets of everyday life in the early-mid 60s. Published in > enviably thick card covers, if this is vanity publishing, then call me > vain but I'd be happy to see more of the same hit the shelves - and I > can't wait to see the promised film... (Phil McMullen) > > http://www.terrasco pe.co.uk/ Reviews/Reviews_ January08. htm > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From vinpinman@... Fri Mar 7 14:03:50 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:03:50 -0000 Subject: Led Zep December 2007 Message-ID: For those who don't frequent my blog, here... http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities08/ARlzlondon.html From hubcity@... Mon Mar 10 12:36:55 2008 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:36:55 -0400 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #196: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JXI003C1IXQ8GI0@...> Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. Now then, in addition to the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com, we've added features we know you'll like... Mondays at 11:30am Eastern (with a preview at 0730 GMT) you get to hear Sean Carolan (often referred to in these dispatches as "me") showcase the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... And on Friday, it's Altrok's Eighties Friday: music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - Bauhaus - Foals - Pete And The Pirates - The Teenagers - Lemuria - The B-52's Plus we've got newly-added music: - British Sea Power - No Lucifer - Crystal Castles - Vanished - Justin Currie, - Out Of My Control - Flowers Forever - Beach Bum - Foxboro Hot Tubs - Mother Mary - Friendly Fires - On Board - The Kooks - Always Where I Need To Be - MEN - Make It Reverse - Mezzanine Owls - Snow Globe - Miracle Fortress - Digital Love - The Mystery Jets - Young Love (feat. Laura Marling) - Panther - On the Lam (copy remix) - These United States - First Sight - Tokyo Police Club - In A Cave - We Are Scientists - After Hours Our Newly-Added Classics: - The Clash - The Right Profile - Esthero - That Girl - Let's Active - Every Word Means No - Nine Inch Nails - Down In It - Oingo Boingo - Grey Matter - Soft Cell - Chips On My Shoulder - Matthew Sweet - Tonight We Ride - They Might Be Giants - The Statue Got Me High - The Vapors - Waiting For The Weekend - XTC - Generals And Majors As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer right now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From thebarguest@... Tue Mar 11 22:44:08 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:44:08 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifties 94 -97 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gary. Thanks again for these - amazing stuff. I like the 'Mixing It' music but there's too much talking for my liking - a bit like Radio 3 (nearly every time I tune in for a bit of chill-out there's some music professors having a discussion) ! Late Junction have got the balance right (like Peel) - no more than 30 secs talk between tracks. By the way, any chance of upping the LJ stuff again to the 30242 site, please..... Bye Lord Goldshite --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > I've posted the next set of re-records here: > > www.30242.net > > For those of like mind the Mixing It archive can also be found at the > above. > > Regards > Gary > From r.fewster@... Wed Mar 12 21:19:34 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:19:34 +0000 Subject: [peel] "I struck a fender with a pipewrench" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0803121319v5fcdcb5ek8f34f0b15dc1e3c2@...> From r.fewster@... Wed Mar 12 21:34:51 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:34:51 +0000 Subject: Great quotes Message-ID: <6974965b0803121334g252aec80m855397d5c4db97da@...> From festive50@... Wed Mar 12 22:41:16 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:41:16 -0000 Subject: [peel] "I struck a fender with a pipewrench" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My address hasn't changed Andrew. Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of andthezmore Sent: 17 February 2008 20:56 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] "I struck a fender with a pipewrench" Quiet round here this weekend? Last one from me for a while is this - 5/1/1992 Milk and Hole 3hrs http://rapidshare.com/files/92675113/milk_holept1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/92705720/milk_and_holept2.rar One of my favourites, one of those that you've heard so many times that you can almost recite large chunks of it word for word. Apologies for these mp3s having misleading tags! Not sure how that happened I tried to email Phil Edwards earlier but his address isn't working anymore? Any chance of a new password for the server please? Cheers Andrew From mar.celle@... Fri Mar 14 12:54:28 2008 From: mar.celle@... (Marcelle) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:54:28 +0100 Subject: At last a decent (original) Peel tribute album!!! Message-ID: <003b01c885ca$2b7c8d10$9600000a@PC154981710422> PERFECT UNPOP peel show hits & long-lost lo-fi favourites - vol 1 1976-80 Released: 14th April 2008 PERFECT UNPOP is based on a dangerous assumption: that if you were ever touched by John Peel's enthusiasm for spiky '70s pop, then by now you've probably found yourself a copy of the Undertones' 'Teenage Kicks'. The same applies to raw, beautiful singles by the Buzzcocks, Joy Division, the Clash and the first five Fall albums - none of which are included here. Instead, here's a collection of Peel favourites a little less likely to be anthologised, eulogised, or to crop up on your iPod. Anyone who ever cuddled up alone at night with Peel will recognise the glee with which he pounced on these devil-may-care, slightly broken pop songs. Indie also-rans these bands may have been in the Sting 'n' Bono scheme of things, but add up all these flashes of underdog genius, and here's a CD to rival any other from the era of the questionable stringy tie. Although we're missing the voice that always seemed to be speaking to us alone, I hope the unearthing of these Nuggets from the playlists might recreate something of the atmosphere of the Peel Show for his under-cover legions, and hopefully some young Johnny-cum-Latelies as well. Make no mistake, we're talking all-time highlights here - where six seconds of dead air would be followed by a sheepish, slightly breathless admission that Peel had been off 'bopping' around the studio. Most of all, I hope he would've approved. Derek Hammond TRACK LISTING 1. TOURS Language School 2. VIBRATORS Whips and Furs 3. SUBWAY SECT Ambition 4. YOUNG MARBLE GIANTS Final Day 5. KLEENEX Hedi's Head 6. THE BEARS On Me 7. WRECKLESS ERIC Whole Wide World 8. SWELL MAPS Real Shocks 9. THE OUT Who Is Innocent 10. EATER Thinking Of The USA 11. DISCO ZOMBIES Mary Millington 12. MO-DETTES White Mice 13. THE OUTCASTS Self-Conscious Over You 14. THE WASPS Teenage Treats 15. THE 45S Couldn't Believe A Word 16. GLAXO BABIES This Is Your Life 17. THE PREFECTS Going Through The Motions 18. CARPETTES Radio Wunderbar 19. THE TIGHTS Bad Hearts 20. THE MONOCHROME SET He's Frank (Slight Return) 21. AU PAIRS It's Obvious 22. SINATRAS Happy Feeling 23. THE BOYS Brickfield Nights 24. BLUE ORCHIDS The Flood Release Date: 14th April 2008 Label: Cherry Red Cat No: CDMRED352 Territory: World Format: CD Album Barcode: 5013929135222 Contact: tom@... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimmystep@... Fri Mar 14 16:14:03 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] At last a decent (original) Peel tribute album!!! In-Reply-To: <003b01c885ca$2b7c8d10$9600000a@PC154981710422> Message-ID: <61684.3552.qm@...> From saipanda@... Fri Mar 14 16:46:31 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:46:31 -0000 Subject: Peel's Pleasures In-Reply-To: <6974965b0803121334g252aec80m855397d5c4db97da@...> Message-ID: Some great quotes on that ilovemusic thread. A little higher up than the extract posted here a couple of days ago is a request on a series called "Peel Pleasures" from 1982. I can't remember hearing about this before. Here's the comment: .......................... ...Anyway, before I reminisce further and start coming over all dewy-eyed, I have a special REQUEST. Does anyone have a taped record of the special Saturday afternoon series of six shows Peelie recorded in (I think) 1981, when he sat in for John Walters, on holiday from his regular 'Walters Weekly' spot?? These were one hour compendium programmes including some of Peelie's all-time favourite records along with fantastic old sessions from the 60s (Sun Ra, Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, Fairport Convention, Ann Peebles etc) and many curiosities and audio-articles from the BBC archives which were nothing to do with music but very funny. Some fascinating stuff - plus of course liberal lashings of the Great One's sardonic wit. Looking back now, I suppose the programme was a kind of precursor to 'Home Truths'. I got in touch with Peely a couple of months before he died to ask if he knew whether R1 had any tapes of the series. Louise in his office replied saying that they didn't - and apparently John could hardly even remember recording the programmes! But, believe me he did - and they were superb. If anybody has some or all of the 'Peel's Pleasures' series on tape and would be prepared to either make a copy or else lend them to me to copy, please could they contact me at on p3t3r_r4p4p0rt@.... Many thanks. -- Pete Rap, Monday, 16 January 2006 ................................... Sounds good, huh? Strange how these things work -- a few minutes later I was browsing around the Peel Wilkia Playlists section, which actually contains playlists for these self- same "Peel Pleasures" shows: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Playlists Haven't yet emailed "Pete Rap" from the thread to see if he ever got anywhere with his request, but kind of wondering if some of these shows are floating around somewhere. Maybe whoever did the playlists has them in some form. Did I miss them among the large amount of great material floating around of late? If not, does anyone have them? Cheers, Steve W From lists@... Sun Mar 16 11:59:30 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:59:30 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. Message-ID: Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: www.30242.net John's 940923 show in flac format: http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac Regrads Gary From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Mar 16 16:19:50 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:19:50 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Gary Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was eagerly anticipating. Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you very much indeed. Best wishes --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > www.30242.net > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > Regrads > Gary > From lists@... Sun Mar 16 19:06:22 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:06:22 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under additions). Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Gary > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > eagerly anticipating. > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you very > much indeed. > Best wishes > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > www.30242.net > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > Regrads > > Gary > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Mar 17 01:31:25 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:31:25 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the 940923 show, Gary, that works fine now, but I'm afraid I still can't access the 88 show!! Is it just me? All the best Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. > There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under > additions). > > Regards > Gary > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Dear Gary > > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > > eagerly anticipating. > > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you > very > > much indeed. > > Best wishes > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > > > www.30242.net > > > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > > > Regrads > > > Gary > > > > > > From postscriptxyz@... Mon Mar 17 10:38:49 2008 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:38:49 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gary, The link to the '88 show points to JP81226b.mp3. I suspect this should be JP881226.mp3 hence the problem with access. Can I add my huge vote of thanks to the fantastic work you're doing sharing these files. Cheers, Pad --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Thanks for the 940923 show, Gary, that works fine now, but I'm afraid > I still can't access the 88 show!! Is it just me? > All the best > Steve > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. > > There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under > > additions). > > > > Regards > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gary > > > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > > > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > > > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > > > eagerly anticipating. > > > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you > > very > > > much indeed. > > > Best wishes > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > > > > > www.30242.net > > > > > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > > > > > Regrads > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > From postscriptxyz@... Mon Mar 17 10:41:43 2008 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:41:43 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whoops, this typo thing is contagious. This should of course read JP881226b.mp3. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > Gary, > > The link to the '88 show points to JP81226b.mp3. I suspect this should be JP881226.mp3 > hence the problem with access. > > Can I add my huge vote of thanks to the fantastic work you're doing sharing these files. > > Cheers, > > Pad > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Thanks for the 940923 show, Gary, that works fine now, but I'm afraid > > I still can't access the 88 show!! Is it just me? > > All the best > > Steve > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. > > > There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under > > > additions). > > > > > > Regards > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gary > > > > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > > > > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > > > > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > > > > eagerly anticipating. > > > > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you > > > very > > > > much indeed. > > > > Best wishes > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > > > > > > > www.30242.net > > > > > > > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > > > > > > > Regrads > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hubcity@... Mon Mar 17 12:50:13 2008 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:50:13 -0400 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #197: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JXV00H23I80D7D0@...> Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. Now then, in addition to the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com, we've added features we know you'll like... Mondays at 11:30am Eastern (with a preview at 0730 GMT) you get to hear Sean Carolan (often referred to in these dispatches as "me") showcase the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... And on Friday, it's Altrok's Eighties Friday: music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - The Black Keys - The Kooks - The Locarnos - Look See Proof - We Are Scientists - The Blacks Plus we've got newly-added music: - The Breeders - Bang On - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - We Call Upon The Author - The Charlatans UK - Oh Vanity - Does It Offend You Yeah - Being Bad Feels Pretty Good - The Fashion - Like Knives - Islands - The Arm - Joe Jackson - King Pleasure Time - Kara Keith - Kick This City - Joe Lean And The Jing Jang Jong - Lonely Buoy - The Mae-Shi - Young Marks - Midnight Juggernauts - Shadows - Reverend And The Makers - State Of Things - Soundpool - Do What You Love - The Whip - 'Trash' Our Newly-Added Classics: - ABC - That Was Then But This Is Now - Blondie - Picture This - Marshall Crenshaw - Little Wild One (No. 5) - Dogs Die In Hot Cars - I Love You 'Cause I Have To - Dramarama - Out In The Rain - Electronic - Getting Away With It - Fad Gadget - Collapsing New People - Richard Hell & The Voidoids - (I Belong to The) Blank Generation - Nick Lowe - Cruel To Be Kind - Sparks - Music That You Can Dance To As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer right now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From lists@... Mon Mar 17 14:05:17 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:05:17 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Link sorted. Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > Whoops, this typo thing is contagious. This should of course read JP881226b.mp3. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > > > Gary, > > > > The link to the '88 show points to JP81226b.mp3. I suspect this should be > JP881226.mp3 > > hence the problem with access. > > > > Can I add my huge vote of thanks to the fantastic work you're doing sharing these files. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pad > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the 940923 show, Gary, that works fine now, but I'm afraid > > > I still can't access the 88 show!! Is it just me? > > > All the best > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In peel@...m, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. > > > > There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under > > > > additions). > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gary > > > > > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > > > > > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > > > > > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > > > > > eagerly anticipating. > > > > > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you > > > > very > > > > > much indeed. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > > > > > > > > > www.30242.net > > > > > > > > > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrads > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From luxuria68@... Wed Mar 19 08:26:33 2008 From: luxuria68@... (luxuria68) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:33 -0000 Subject: a capella dub poetry record called "miss world",circa 1983-84 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi George, Sorry, it's been ages since I've been back to this group! But yes, my nick is in honour of H.Devoto's Luxuria. And thanks to all who responded to my question about the "mystery dub poetry" record. Cheers all! Ivan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Hi Ivan / Luxuria68 ! > > Is that "Luxuria" in honour of Howard Devoto's > band of same name ? Not as excellent as Magazine but > still very good ! After that album with Pete Shelley > in 2002, Mr Devoto is due a new sonic adventure ..... > > Yours, > George Hordern Esq. > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "luxuria68" wrote: > > > > Can anyone help with the one below? Thanks! > > > > ivan > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan Thomasz" wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm new to this group. I wonder if someone could help me recall > the > > > name of a dub poet who cut a record with a track called "Miss > World." > > >ivan > > > From luxuria68@... Wed Mar 19 08:29:11 2008 From: luxuria68@... (luxuria68) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:29:11 -0000 Subject: a capella dub poetry record called "miss world",circa 1983-84 In-Reply-To: <00b001c78d6f$15f0d720$9600000a@PC154981710422> Message-ID: Wow, Marcelle! Thanks for the answer! At long last, the mystery is solved! Merci Beaucoups, Marcelle! All the best, Ivan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Marcelle wrote: > > It's Benjamin Zephaniah who did the poem Miss World, in 1983 > > Keep listening to Another Nice Mess :-) ! > > Marcelle > www.anothernicemess.com > From vinpinman@... Thu Mar 20 12:15:06 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:15:06 -0000 Subject: A few more re-records posted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 23rd Sept '94 was the weekend I started at university and I'm pretty sure I have that show somewhere... Ok, just found the link: http://www.divshare.com/download/998191-fb0 --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > Whoops, this typo thing is contagious. This should of course read JP881226b.mp3. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "postscriptxyz" wrote: > > > > Gary, > > > > The link to the '88 show points to JP81226b.mp3. I suspect this should be > JP881226.mp3 > > hence the problem with access. > > > > Can I add my huge vote of thanks to the fantastic work you're doing sharing these files. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pad > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the 940923 show, Gary, that works fine now, but I'm afraid > > > I still can't access the 88 show!! Is it just me? > > > All the best > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > Pilot error I'm afraid, sorry about that. It should work now. > > > > There are new links to the 940923 show on the archive page, (under > > > > additions). > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gary > > > > > Not wishing to sound ungrateful for this marvellous cornucopia of > > > > > Peeliana, but one of the 88 FF files )JP881226b) will not > > > > > download...neither will either of these flac files, which I was > > > > > eagerly anticipating. > > > > > Nevertheless...your selflessness is truly appreciated. Thank you > > > > very > > > > > much indeed. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Festive fifties for, 86, 87, 88, 89, 98 posted here: > > > > > > > > > > > > www.30242.net > > > > > > > > > > > > John's 940923 show in flac format: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.1.flac > > > > > > http://www.30242b.net/html/content/JP940923#1.2.flac > > > > > > > > > > > > Regrads > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ddriscoll@... Thu Mar 20 13:41:00 2008 From: ddriscoll@... (aurbisons) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:41:00 -0000 Subject: More Walter... Message-ID: For those interested, I have found some more JOHN WALTERS bits & pieces which I have listed here: http://fruitierthanthou.blogspot.com/2008/01/john-walters-vs-peter-hook- 26th-january.html & here: http://fruitierthanthou.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-walters-walters-week- 1983-1985-5.html Regards Dave END OF MESSAGE From hubcity@... Fri Mar 21 15:44:27 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:44:27 -0000 Subject: [OT] Um, Sorry. What Now? Message-ID: Folks, I probably should remember not to trust my instincts, because they so very rarely turn out to be correct. Hard data's often hard to come by, and often, you're unaware of it until it smashes you in the head. And so it was with Altrok's goodbye message yesterday. It could be read as blaming you for the station's failure, and that's not true. Please consider this an apology. Truth is, Altrok was as good as it could be, given my limitations on doing what really needed to be done to make it viable. As the work of a hobbyist, it was stellar; when compared to a professional operation it was feeble. The music was always good, but all the fit and finish details around that were stale and getting staler, and we had no way to make sure it stayed fresh. Strangely, the situation's a lot like the recent news about Bear Stearns, the huge bank that suddenly collapsed within a few hours last Sunday. Also, it was always in a precarious position in terms of my scraping together the time necessary to keep it going and, in a Bear Stearns-like scenario, I looked into my reserves of goodwill - the only currency that was keeping Altrok afloat - on Wednesday and found them empty. A collapse quickly followed. Continuing that metaphor, Bear Stearns would have been in a much better position if people had just paid their mortgages on time - but given that they had made sure their portfolio was full of people who weren't likely to do that, they bear the brunt of the responsibility (and of the result.) I was basing my success on something that I couldn't possibly count on, and the same downfall applied. Should people pay their mortgages? Sure - unless they got suckered into procuring a bad one. Should people click on the ads at AltrokRadio.com? Sure - unless they don't quite get that ads pay for the service. So I kind of failed in communicating the way I did; let me be clear that the failure is really due to my ineptitude, rather than your lack of commitment. I was committed all along, of course, but just to doing it wrong. If I find a way to do it correctly, with some level of confidence, I could be back on the air with it, or at least with something like it. But first I have to figure out what lessons to learn from the high volumes of failure I've generated thus far. One good thing is that this did force a bit of a logjam break on one of the big constrictions I had - the one where a hobby shouldn't have the impact on my family that it had. It's now been redefined as something that'll take sacrifice to achieve, and everybody's pretty much okay with that. (Guess they also got tired of me glumly pacing around the house.) That said, it's not as easy as plugging things back in and flicking the switch, because I really do have to figure out what was so dissatisfying about the original endeavor. But I really hate having turned it off, and I really want to turn it back on. And, at least, I don't have to find a new transmitter. -Sean From Phyll@... Sat Mar 22 17:16:19 2008 From: Phyll@... (Phyll@...) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:16:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_[peel]_[OT]_Um,_Sorry._=C2=A0What_Now=3F?= Message-ID: <5540598.427541206202579453.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> Well i didn't listen that often, but i enjoyed it when i did, and appreciated the effort. And i'll look forward to your next endeavor, knowing it's not causing your quite so much heartache will be worth the wait. From lollygagger@... Sat Mar 22 17:55:19 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:55:19 -0000 Subject: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All May I borrow your ears? I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can leave with a family member. I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the original dynamic sound. I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original. Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for compressed music? Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) Adam From martinw@... Sat Mar 22 19:13:55 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:13:55 +0000 Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 16:55 22/03/2008, you wrote: >Hi All > >May I borrow your ears? > >I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and >dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) > >Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I >have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can >leave with a family member. > >I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data >to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac >gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the >original dynamic sound. > >I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG >at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any >difference from the original. > >Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for >compressed music? > >Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG >would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) > >Adam > How about burning your archived copies as data files on the DVD. You want be able to play them on a stand-alone player but you will be able to play them on the computer (the DVD acts as an extra hard drive) and you can copy them back to the computer and burn them as required in an emergency . You can get 4.3G of datas files onto 1 DVD martinw From roger.carruthers@... Sat Mar 22 19:56:47 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:56:47 +0000 Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ogg certainly works for me ­ you get a better bang per buck than .mp3, ie. equivalent sized files sound better (or less bad, depending how you look at it) as .ogg than they do as .mp3. It¹s just a shame there¹s not as much support for the format, but in your case ie. for archiving, that¹s not really an issue. I¹ve yet to come across a lossless codec that can do much better than 2:1 ­ I think you¹re up against the limits of physics there. cheers Roger On 22/03/2008 16:55, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > Hi All > > May I borrow your ears? > > I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and dvd's (4 > c90's to a dvd) > > Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I have > finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can leave with a > family member. > > I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data to 1:4 so > that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac gives a ratio of > 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the original dynamic sound. > > I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs > giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the > original. > > Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for compressed > music? > > Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG would be used > as an archived copy and not for a typical player) > > Adam > > > > > > From hubcity@... Sun Mar 23 01:02:19 2008 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:02:19 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[OT]=20[Altrok]=20We're=20Back!=20(That's=20Good=20News,=20Right=3F)?= Message-ID: <0JY500E3PPG0ZNR4@...> Hey there... Altrok Radio is back on the air. The smoke has cleared, the skies have parted, and as it turns out, we have a future. What happened? A few things: - Lots and LOTS of encouragement. I mean LOTS, and I thank everyone who sent a thoughtful message or two for taking the time to do it. It's very much appreciated. - Some of the obstacles that seemed so insurmountable Wednesday night turned out to be less formidable than expected. - I saw a future without Altrok Radio, and it wasn't pretty. I *had* to fix that... What remains to be done? - The station is pretty much what it was when it shut down, and there won't be any new playlist adds, or airings of the weekly show, for a couple of weeks. Finding new tracks and producing the show take up the lions share of the time I have to do the station, so this'll free up the time I need to fix things I think are broken. So, we're not entirely out of the woods yet. But there's music coming from the station now, and a plan to go forward. We'll do what we can to keep that happening. Of course, you can keep helping in all the ways I've mentioned previously: tune in and stay tuned in, use our link at AltrokRadio.com if and when you buy things from Amazon, and check out our advertisers at AltrokRadio.com, too. Your interest in them helps put money in our hands. And if I wasn't emphatic enough before, thank you for sending a note or two about what you'd be missing without Altrok Radio. That helped a lot; it really did. Thanks! -Sean From deedeeramain@... Sun Mar 23 09:22:27 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? Message-ID: <201930.30998.qm@...> Hi Adam! We had a similar thread about compression a short while ago and I think we decided that FLAC was the ultimate compression format as it was lossless. Personally - I use .ogg but I realise that it is getting kind of redundant because nobody else finds it convenient plus - I use dbpoweramp also and some of my ripped CDs don't sound right - the bass on some of my files is muffled and really poor quality. Finally, memory is getting cheaper and cheaper so compression is becoming less necessary as time goes by. I can see a short time ahead in future that I'll want to just copy my CDs directly to a storage medium without any compression. I normally buy hard drives in twos - one is a backup of the other. Hard drives fail and new hard drives are no exception so I'd be gutted if I spent lots of time ripping my CDs to hard drive to have the hard drive fail after a couple of months. (This happened to me with a 120GB pocket drive. The clicking noise signalled a failed disk that would cost around a grand if I wanted to recover my data!). Don't forget that DVDs are not indestructible also! Regards, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:55:19 PM Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? Hi All May I borrow your ears? I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can leave with a family member. I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the original dynamic sound. I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original. Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for compressed music? Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) Adam ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From tonydonaghey@... Sun Mar 23 12:36:29 2008 From: tonydonaghey@... (tony donaghey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stripped Down Rock adnRoll - Kevin Coyne's Rootsier Style Message-ID: <10470.99809.qm@...> Here are some of Kevin's songs in his more traditional style. Two from the classic Marjory Razorblade and one from the hard to find (unless you meet up with Brendan) Life Is Almost Wonderful made with the excellent Brendan Croker - and should be a part of any Coyne collection. www.myspace.com/kevincoynebookscom From thebarguest@... Sun Mar 23 15:36:23 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:36:23 -0000 Subject: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: <201930.30998.qm@...> Message-ID: I must admit, I thought the recent show offerings from Kevin Beech (& Julian) and Andthezmore, coded in 128/44 mp3, sounded fine, as good as an FM radio broadcast. More importantly, I wonder whether some of my dvdrs will get corrupted in the same way some of my 4-year-old cdrs have.... Maybe the dye starts to "leak" in time ; how could the scientists simulate ageing when developing a recording medium ? Don't throw away your original tapes ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > Hi Adam! > > We had a similar thread about compression a short while ago and I think we decided that FLAC was the ultimate compression format as it was lossless. > > Personally - I use .ogg but I realise that it is getting kind of redundant because nobody else finds it convenient plus - I use dbpoweramp also and some of my ripped CDs don't sound right - the bass on some of my files is muffled and really poor quality. > > Finally, memory is getting cheaper and cheaper so compression is becoming less necessary as time goes by. I can see a short time ahead in future that I'll want to just copy my CDs directly to a storage medium without any compression. > > I normally buy hard drives in twos - one is a backup of the other. Hard drives fail and new hard drives are no exception so I'd be gutted if I spent lots of time ripping my CDs to hard drive to have the hard drive fail after a couple of months. (This happened to me with a 120GB pocket drive. The clicking noise signalled a failed disk that would cost around a grand if I wanted to recover my data!). > Don't forget that DVDs are not indestructible also! > > Regards, > > DeeDee > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: lollygagger > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:55:19 PM > Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? > > Hi All > > May I borrow your ears? > > I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) > > Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can leave with a family member. > > I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the original dynamic sound. > > I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original. > > Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for compressed music? > > Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) > > Adam > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From lollygagger@... Sun Mar 23 17:25:41 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:25:41 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108210E7446949F3A265E868E46649ED@LAPTOP> Thanks for all your comments about OGG and DVD's and hard drives. It is my great distrust in back up hardware e.g hard drives and dvd's, cd's that is pushing me to make so many backups. With respects to OGG I appreciate compressing data to 1:4 is not as preferable as lossless flac 1:2 but I am making this compromise becasue on wav my tapes and cd's currently take up 800GB. So I already have it copied in WAV on 2 hard drives and now on DVD's. It's taken the best part of 2years to do this. Doing about one tape a day. As for OGG at 350kbs I can not discern any audiable difference. I have listened to tracks through headphones, valve amp. semiconductor amp. comparing original and compressed tracks and can't tell the difference. When trying this at similar bit rates on WMA & MP3 it shows up right away. So I thought this info could be usefull to others archiving and paranoid about not having enough back up copies and usefull to me to borrow the ears of others to see if they could confirm what I have found? Thanks again for your comments. Gordon Adam (Ye I have two names so sorry for any confusion if you have been following my past messages) ----- Original Message ----- From: thebarguest To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? I must admit, I thought the recent show offerings from Kevin Beech (& Julian) and Andthezmore, coded in 128/44 mp3, sounded fine, as good as an FM radio broadcast. More importantly, I wonder whether some of my dvdrs will get corrupted in the same way some of my 4-year-old cdrs have.... Maybe the dye starts to "leak" in time ; how could the scientists simulate ageing when developing a recording medium ? Don't throw away your original tapes ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > Hi Adam! > > We had a similar thread about compression a short while ago and I think we decided that FLAC was the ultimate compression format as it was lossless. > > Personally - I use .ogg but I realise that it is getting kind of redundant because nobody else finds it convenient plus - I use dbpoweramp also and some of my ripped CDs don't sound right - the bass on some of my files is muffled and really poor quality. > > Finally, memory is getting cheaper and cheaper so compression is becoming less necessary as time goes by. I can see a short time ahead in future that I'll want to just copy my CDs directly to a storage medium without any compression. > > I normally buy hard drives in twos - one is a backup of the other. Hard drives fail and new hard drives are no exception so I'd be gutted if I spent lots of time ripping my CDs to hard drive to have the hard drive fail after a couple of months. (This happened to me with a 120GB pocket drive. The clicking noise signalled a failed disk that would cost around a grand if I wanted to recover my data!). > Don't forget that DVDs are not indestructible also! > > Regards, > > DeeDee > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: lollygagger > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:55:19 PM > Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? > > Hi All > > May I borrow your ears? > > I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) > > Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can leave with a family member. > > I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the original dynamic sound. > > I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original. > > Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for compressed music? > > Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) > > Adam > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 From brian@... Sun Mar 23 19:16:37 2008 From: brian@... (electrophotic) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:16:37 -0000 Subject: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The thought of my laboriously produced CDRs becoming corrupted horrifies me. It seems like all types of storage media are vulnerable to ageing - recording tape becomes fragile and sticky after a number of years. Perhaps the ultimate solution to backing up our valuable music archives would be to have them transferred to vinyl! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > I must admit, I thought the recent show offerings from > Kevin Beech (& Julian) and Andthezmore, coded in 128/44 mp3, > sounded fine, as good as an FM radio broadcast. > > More importantly, I wonder whether some of my dvdrs will get > corrupted in the same way some of my 4-year-old cdrs have.... > Maybe the dye starts to "leak" in time ; how could the scientists > simulate ageing when developing a recording medium ? > Don't throw away your original tapes ! > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > > > Hi Adam! > > > > We had a similar thread about compression a short while ago and I > think we decided that FLAC was the ultimate compression format as it > was lossless. > > > > Personally - I use .ogg but I realise that it is getting kind of > redundant because nobody else finds it convenient plus - I use > dbpoweramp also and some of my ripped CDs don't sound right - the > bass on some of my files is muffled and really poor quality. > > > > Finally, memory is getting cheaper and cheaper so compression is > becoming less necessary as time goes by. I can see a short time ahead > in future that I'll want to just copy my CDs directly to a storage > medium without any compression. > > > > I normally buy hard drives in twos - one is a backup of the other. > Hard drives fail and new hard drives are no exception so I'd be > gutted if I spent lots of time ripping my CDs to hard drive to have > the hard drive fail after a couple of months. (This happened to me > with a 120GB pocket drive. The clicking noise signalled a failed disk > that would cost around a grand if I wanted to recover my data!). > > Don't forget that DVDs are not indestructible also! > > > > Regards, > > > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: lollygagger > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:55:19 PM > > Subject: [peel] re: techy. May I borrow your ears? > > > > Hi All > > > > May I borrow your ears? > > > > I'm back to archiving my Peely & assorted tapes to hard drive and > dvd's (4 c90's to a dvd) > > > > Its going to be about 130 dvd's and two large hard drives before I > have finished but I am looking to make a back up archive copy I can > leave with a family member. > > > > I have been looking at compression encoders to bring my music data > to 1:4 so that my entire collection can be copied to 30 dvd's. Flac > gives a ratio of 1:2. WMA and MP3 at 320kbs appear to lose the > original dynamic sound. > > > > I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG > at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any > difference from the original. > > > > Can anyone else confirm that OGG gives the best performance for > compressed music? > > > > Your ears and opinions would be useful (Keeping in mind that OGG > would be used as an archived copy and not for a typical player) > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From roger.carruthers@... Sun Mar 23 21:46:49 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:46:49 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: <108210E7446949F3A265E868E46649ED@LAPTOP> Message-ID: To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can¹t hear the difference (and not many people of our age can ­ myself included, and I have Œtrained¹ ears) then the smaller file size wins. As I¹ve said before, the vast majority of the material we¹re talking about here was recorded to cassette, and you can¹t improve upon the quality of the first generation; as you¹re starting from a fairly limited bandwidth and dynamic range, you¹re pissing in the wind with lossless compression. In short, go .ogg! Cheers Roger On 23/03/2008 16:25, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > Thanks for all your comments about OGG and DVD's and hard drives. > > It is my great distrust in back up hardware e.g hard drives and dvd's, cd's > that is pushing me to make so many backups. > > With respects to OGG I appreciate compressing data to 1:4 is not as preferable > as lossless flac 1:2 but I am making this compromise becasue on wav my tapes > and cd's currently take up 800GB. So I already have it copied in WAV on 2 hard > drives and now on DVD's. It's taken the best part of 2years to do this. Doing > about one tape a day. > From martinw@... Sun Mar 23 22:02:18 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:02:18 +0000 Subject: Andy Who? Message-ID: For anyone with some vague hopes that Andy Kershaw may be returning it looks like Radio 3 have finally had to allocate his former slot http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldon3/ is the new show page rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio3/worldon3/worldon3_mon.ra is the listen again URL martinw From thebarguest@... Sun Mar 23 22:15:35 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:15:35 -0000 Subject: Andy Who? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He'll be back - you have to do something "Extremely" bad for the Beeb/media not to want you back, and his recent bad-boy media coverage/public image will add to the attraction even more ......... I wish they'd sack that Clarkson for using his mobile whilst driving - worse than what Andy K did .......... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > For anyone with some vague hopes that Andy Kershaw may be returning > it looks like Radio 3 have finally had to allocate his former slot > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldon3/ > > is the new show page > > > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio3/worldon3/worldon3_mon.ra > > is the listen again URL > > martinw > From wewalkforonereason@... Sun Mar 23 22:49:53 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:49:53 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: <108210E7446949F3A265E868E46649ED@LAPTOP> Message-ID: On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. From john.bravin@... Sun Mar 23 23:20:42 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:20:42 +0100 Subject: [peel] Andy Who? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E6D7BA.8030002@...> Hopefully Andy will be back soon in some form sharing his energy for music. Meanwhile some more insight can be seen from Charlie Gillet's amazing website and forum www.charliegillett.com "However, all this is in the context of my feeling that I was sitting in Andy Kershaw's seat, keeping it warm for his return and meantime doing my best to provide for his audience. Andy had regularly played a lot of UK folk music, and I have played hardly any. I always try to tailor my shows to fit my perception of the audience that is likely to be listening. If you asked me, would I have invited Pauline and Eilis to sing on my Radio London show?, the answer is, probably not. But I am glad that the combination of circumstances led to this session - I thought 'The West's Awake' was marvellous, and some of the stories about the songs were priceless too. Curiously, this exchange comes at the very moment that the circumstances have changed. From now on, starting next Monday, the slot will be called World on 3 and the three presenters will no longer have the feeling that we are temporary stand-ins for Andy Kershaw. We are here in our own right, each of us being encouraged to choose whatever we feel fits into the 'world' remit of the slot." Charlie is a great unsung hero - having started in 1968 (and interviewing John Peel in 1969 when he was releasing records on Dandelion) he has been phenomenally successful championing lesser known music. If you haven't heard Charlie read this comment (from http://assistantbrighton.blogspot.com), and then give one of his shows a listen. "He is, plainly, a true radical, never compromising his passion for music nor resting on his laurels when there is new music to be explored. It is plainly absurd that a DJ of his incredible originality and passion never made the leap to national radio (apart from the World Service), especially as he is a real trail-blazer in his field. On the other hand, I have a suspicion that his charm might actually be best observed in the spartan surroundings of local radio; unlike other DJs of his calibre, Gillett has always worked alone, producing his shows as well as curating them; he is the only radio presenter I have ever heard who played more records at the wrong speed, or failed to turn the volume up more often, than the famously shambolic John Peel." John Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > For anyone with some vague hopes that Andy Kershaw may be returning > it looks like Radio 3 have finally had to allocate his former slot > > martinw > > From ajcauk@... Mon Mar 24 02:33:32 2008 From: ajcauk@... (cannon alan) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Andy Who? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46037.7234.qm@...> > I wish they'd sack that Clarkson for using his > mobile whilst what that is setting a bad example? maybe if he had killed himself whilst (a la Cozy Powell) > driving - worse than what Andy K did .......... no terrorising your wife and kids cos you are just a Jealous Guy comes out worse in my estimation not gonna stop me listening despite the regional accent when he gets back on air sure to be some choice blues alanjc __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From roger.carruthers@... Mon Mar 24 13:58:16 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:58:16 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I beg to differ: there is logic to my argument. The object of the exercise is to get the best quality sound , for the minimum file size. Before I was a sound engineer I studied as a welding inspector, where we were taught that quality is defined as 'fit for purpose'; don¹t buy a Roller just to run the kids to school. Ogg, like .mp3 uses perceptual encoding. Nobody is pretending that the signal remains unchanged, but if you use a decent quality encoder at the right settings, then there is no loss of quality that you can hear. As a sound engineer I was taught to trust my ears. If it sounds right, then it is right. If you can store twice as many files, and you cannot hear the difference, then you are achieving quality - your recordings are fit for purpose. This will always be a subjective issue ­ if you can hear the difference, then go with your ears. But the original poster said: ³I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original.² As for the Betamax analogy, it just doesn¹t work like that in the digital world; even if it doesn¹t become a major player, Ogg support will never disappear entirely. It¹s true that no-one makes Betamax machines any more, but the code for playing Ogg Vorbis files will always be out there. The purpose of this lboard is for the discussion and appreciation of Peel¹s craft, and lately it has become a place where people share recordings of his shows. If we keep the files to a sensible size, whilst keeping an eye on quality, we can share them so much the more equably. It just grieves me to hear, as someone did here recently, that you should use 24/96 conversion for recording of cassettes, which will do nothing to improve the quality (think about it ­ the bandwidth & dynamic range are not there to record!), but the results will take many times longer to download, and thus reach less people. If you have unlimited drive space/attic space and you only intend the files for your own use, go for it ­ use lossless compression. But if space is an issue, and you also want to share the wealth, then high bitrate .oggs are going to hurt no-one, and probably help a few. Cheers Roger On 23/03/2008 21:49, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: >> >> To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless >> compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best >> quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the >> difference (and not many people of our age can ­ myself included, and I have >> 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. >> As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking about >> here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the quality of the >> first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited bandwidth and >> dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless compression. In >> short, go .ogg! > > There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying > the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital > version of that source is pointless. > > And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. > > Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The > purposes of each type are in general rather different. > > Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a > compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of > compression / decompression, and compression ratio. > > Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not > for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off > - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, > which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. > > It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality > encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the > same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's > inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. > > It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of > storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these > days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price > will have dropped again. > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From lollygagger@... Mon Mar 24 16:21:20 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:21:20 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: <108210E7446949F3A265E868E46649ED@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <823F87D8F0AA4FA39E3F9BF4237FE3DF@LAPTOP> The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can � myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for �60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 From wewalkforonereason@... Mon Mar 24 16:39:34 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:39:34 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > I beg to differ: there is logic to my argument. The object of the exercise is to get the best quality sound , for the minimum file size. And that is a subjective judgement. My point was - and is - that there is a place for lossless and there is a place for lossy. The considerations are different for each, but there are no absolutes in lossy because everyone hears things different. And if the issue with lossless is a consideration of hard drive usage, then frankly that is also subjective. > > Before I was a sound engineer I studied as a welding inspector, where we were taught that quality is defined as 'fit for purpose'; don't buy a Roller just to run the kids to school. > Ogg, like .mp3 uses perceptual encoding. Nobody is pretending that the signal remains unchanged, but if you use a decent quality encoder at the right settings, then there is no loss of quality that you can hear. > As a sound engineer I was taught to trust my ears. If it sounds right, then it is right. > If you can store twice as many files, and you cannot hear the difference, then you are achieving quality - your recordings are fit for purpose. > > This will always be a subjective issue – if you can hear the difference, then go with your ears. But the original poster said: > "I have personally found that by using the dbpoweramp prog with OGG at 350kbs giving the 1:4 that there doesn't appear to be any difference from the original." > > As for the Betamax analogy, it just doesn't work like that in the digital world; even if it doesn't become a major player, Ogg support will never disappear entirely. It's true that no-one makes Betamax machines any more, but the code for playing Ogg Vorbis files will always be out there. Well, we won't know if the analogy works until we wait a few years. The point is valid, in that not all players that are capable of playing mp3 files are also capable of playing ogg (or even mp2 files). Right now mp3 is by far the most common format. > > The purpose of this lboard is for the discussion and appreciation of Peel's craft, and lately it has become a place where people share recordings of his shows. If we keep the files to a sensible size, whilst keeping an eye on quality, we can share them so much the more equably. > > It just grieves me to hear, as someone did here recently, that you should use 24/96 conversion for recording of cassettes, which will do nothing to improve the quality (think about it – the bandwidth & dynamic range are not there to record!), but the results will take many times longer to download, and thus reach less people. Agreed - 44k or 48k probably are the most sensible starting points for this kind of source. > > If you have unlimited drive space/attic space and you only intend the files for your own use, go for it – use lossless compression. But if space is an issue, and you also want to share the wealth, then high bitrate .oggs are going to hurt no-one, and probably help a few. If I had "unlimited" attic space I wouldn't be shitting myself about the amount of cassettes, vinyl and CDs that I own. I would love to put it all onto hard drive or solid state memory - I've calculated it out to a block of hard drives (each drive mirrored) that would fit into a single PC case. If I could do that easily I would shell out the ££ for the drives today - but the problem is the conversion time, not the number of hard drives, their cost, or how much space they occupy. And I would no more dream of reducing the quality of the CDs I bought yesterday, last week, or 20 years ago than I would dream of reducing the quality of either my best or my worst FM masters. > > On 23/03/2008 21:49, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > > On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > >> > >> To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > >> compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > >> quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > >> difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I have > >> 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > >> As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking about > >> here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the quality of the > >> first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited bandwidth and > >> dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless compression. In > >> short, go .ogg! > > > > There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying > > the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital > > version of that source is pointless. > > > > And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. > > > > Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The > > purposes of each type are in general rather different. > > > > Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a > > compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of > > compression / decompression, and compression ratio. > > > > Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not > > for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off > > - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, > > which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. > > > > It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality > > encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the > > same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's > > inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. > > > > It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of > > storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these > > days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price > > will have dropped again. > > > > ------------------------------------ From thebarguest@... Tue Mar 25 01:14:54 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:14:54 -0000 Subject: Andy Who? In-Reply-To: <46037.7234.qm@...> Message-ID: I realise that what Andy K did was bad but what Clarkson did is far worse. Using a mobile/cell phone while driving endangers other motorists, cyclists and pedestrians. He could have killed people, for God's sake ; I don't think AK wanted to kill people. But the UK legal system treats driving crime and violent assault extremely leniently ........ Regards, Judge Pickled --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, cannon alan wrote: > > > > I wish they'd sack that Clarkson for using his > > mobile whilst > > what that is setting a bad example? > maybe if he had killed himself whilst (a la Cozy > Powell) > > > driving - worse than what Andy K did .......... > > no terrorising your wife and kids > cos you are just a Jealous Guy > comes out worse in my estimation > not gonna stop me listening > despite the regional accent > when he gets back on air > sure to be some choice blues > > alanjc > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > From susioddball2k@... Tue Mar 25 08:08:42 2008 From: susioddball2k@... (Susi Maxwell-Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:08:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? Message-ID: <932937.68178.qm@...> was your hard drive a seagate cos i have just lost 5 yrs sound and photo work on one and i am about to take it to the shop and discuss this very thing with them ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 24 March, 2008 3:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From sp400001@... Tue Mar 25 11:15:05 2008 From: sp400001@... (Paterson, Stuart) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:15:05 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: <932937.68178.qm@...> References: <932937.68178.qm@...> Message-ID: before chucking it or spending a fortune try using getdataback; its what we use at work with a pretty good success rate erm and thanks for all the peel links much appreciated. okay back to lurking. cheers ________________________________ From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susi Maxwell-Stewart Sent: 25 March 2008 07:09 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? was your hard drive a seagate cos i have just lost 5 yrs sound and photo work on one and i am about to take it to the shop and discuss this very thing with them ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 24 March, 2008 3:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers > wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can - myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail . More Ways to Keep in Touch. From susioddball2k@... Wed Mar 26 08:32:05 2008 From: susioddball2k@... (Susi Maxwell-Stewart) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:32:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? Message-ID: <131895.79010.qm@...> thanks for not lurking too deep in the shadows i am going to try getdataback looks promising for my data ----- Original Message ---- From: "Paterson, Stuart" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 10:15:05 AM Subject: RE: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? before chucking it or spending a fortune try using getdataback; its what we use at work with a pretty good success rate erm and thanks for all the peel links much appreciated. okay back to lurking. cheers From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Susi Maxwell-Stewart Sent: 25 March 2008 07:09 To: peel@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? was your hard drive a seagate cos i have just lost 5 yrs sound and photo work on one and i am about to take it to the shop and discuss this very thing with them ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, 24 March, 2008 3:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From deedeeramain@... Wed Mar 26 16:02:43 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? Message-ID: <142545.81000.qm@...> A better program to use might be 'Active Undelete'. My 'GetDataBack' didn't work on a new 750 GB HD so I used the former instead which has support for bigger disks and recovered all my data. (I simply deleted the data in the first place as a test). These programs only work if the disk is still working - if there's something physically wrong such as your HD is making a clicking sound then it may be terminal and a simple recovery program aint going to help! DeeDee From: Susi Maxwell-Stewart To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:32:05 AM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? thanks for not lurking too deep in the shadows i am going to try getdataback looks promising for my data ----- Original Message ---- From: "Paterson, Stuart" To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 10:15:05 AM Subject: RE: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? before chucking it or spending a fortune try using getdataback; its what we use at work with a pretty good success rate erm and thanks for all the peel links much appreciated. okay back to lurking. cheers From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Susi Maxwell-Stewart Sent: 25 March 2008 07:09 To: peel@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? was your hard drive a seagate cos i have just lost 5 yrs sound and photo work on one and i am about to take it to the shop and discuss this very thing with them ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups.. com Sent: Monday, 24 March, 2008 3:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimmystep@... Wed Mar 26 18:22:41 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:22:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: <142545.81000.qm@...> Message-ID: <477974.76016.qm@...> I had to use a linux boot cd called Knoppix to get into a failing hard drive a couple of years back. Windows wouldn't look at it all but I managed to get the drive mounted and most, not all, the data transferred over to a extrenal usb drive. Much to the delight of my daughter as it had all her photographs and mp3 files on it. She does now back them up onto CDR. A lesson learned :-) Cheers....Jimmy --- Riving Ton wrote: > A better program to use might be 'Active Undelete'. > My 'GetDataBack' didn't work on a new 750 GB HD so I > used the former instead which has support for bigger > disks and recovered all my data. (I simply deleted > the data in the first place as a test). > > These programs only work if the disk is still > working - if there's something physically wrong such > as your HD is making a clicking sound then it may be > terminal and a simple recovery program aint going to > help! __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From so_it_goes_2512@... Thu Mar 27 00:31:18 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:31:18 -0000 Subject: 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request Message-ID: Last time I asked, I managed to fill several important gaps in my Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody out there must have it. So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a recording of the 1999 Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, floc, ogg, oog, igg...anything. Thank you. Steve (Teenage Kicks) From andthezmore@... Thu Mar 27 16:30:03 2008 From: andthezmore@... (andthezmore) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:30:03 -0000 Subject: 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If Gary doesn't have one to hand that he can add to his server (thanks again) - I'll have a go over the weekend Cheers Andrew --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Last time I asked, I managed to fill several important gaps in my > Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody out there must have it. > So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a recording of the 1999 > Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, floc, ogg, oog, > igg...anything. Thank you. > Steve (Teenage Kicks) > From lollygagger@... Thu Mar 27 16:38:54 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:38:54 -0000 Subject: [peel] 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B8E10F13289458BBF02B68E571F5CE8@LAPTOP> Hi from what I recall in December 1999 John played listeners All Time Favorite F50 I am looking into web sites that allow uploads that can be shared as I am thinking of uploading a tape per month. Windows live have started one allowing 5gb to be uploaded. I am new to this sharing files on the net. Though it would be nice to have John's voice interlaced on my Peely tapes I went to great effort at the time to remove the DJ's voice. In which case can't any of the missing chart tracks be found on any of the P2P web sites? I was fairly selective of any of the tracks I choose to keep that Peely played so it goes without saying that I still think the tracks that I kept are great :) Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: [peel] 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request Last time I asked, I managed to fill several important gaps in my Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody out there must have it. So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a recording of the 1999 Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, floc, ogg, oog, igg...anything. Thank you. Steve (Teenage Kicks) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1344 - Release Date: 26/03/2008 08:52 From lists@... Thu Mar 27 20:46:54 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:46:54 -0000 Subject: 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: can't help with that one I'm afraid. I had it on tape a few years back, tape was borrowed never returned. If someone can post a copy I'll put a copy on the server. Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andthezmore" wrote: > > If Gary doesn't have one to hand that he can add to his server (thanks > again) - I'll have a go over the weekend > > > Cheers > Andrew > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Last time I asked, I managed to fill several important gaps in my > > Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody out there must have > it. > > So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a recording of the 1999 > > Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, floc, ogg, oog, > > igg...anything. Thank you. > > Steve (Teenage Kicks) > > > From roger.carruthers@... Thu Mar 27 21:19:11 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:19:11 +0000 Subject: [peel] 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: <6B8E10F13289458BBF02B68E571F5CE8@LAPTOP> Message-ID: If it is the All Time FF you¹re looking for, I have some, but not all of it. I posted a reconstructed version (just the music) at The Furtive Fifty ( http://tinyurl.com/2duvjw ) some time ago, but I have also digitised what I had of it on tape, which I think was all but one program. It¹s on a hard drive at work - I¹ll dig it out and post a link when I get back. I can¹t tell you off the top of my head which was the show I didn¹t get, but I¹d be interested to know if anyone else out there has a copy, Cheers Roger On 27/03/2008 15:38, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > Hi from what I recall in December 1999 John played listeners All Time Favorite > F50 > From festive50@... Thu Mar 27 22:07:03 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:07:03 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? In-Reply-To: <131895.79010.qm@...> Message-ID: I've used it with variable results. You can get a trial copy from http://www.runtime.org/ The advantage is that you can run an entire scan and you can see if the files are recoverable. Eventually, if successful, you'll see a directory tree of all your files scroll before your eyes. The files are then available for viewing but not saving. However, save the final scan. As the scan takes quite a while. This can then be read once youv'e paid and registered. Make sure you download the appropriate version. GetDataBack for FAT GetDataBack for NTFS If you're not sure. Then got to Control Panel In Category View Open Administrative Tools/Computer Management/Disk Management(Local) All your disk drives are displayed along with their file systems (FAT or NTFS). Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Susi Maxwell-Stewart Sent: 26 March 2008 07:32 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? thanks for not lurking too deep in the shadows i am going to try getdataback looks promising for my data ----- Original Message ---- From: "Paterson, Stuart" To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 10:15:05 AM Subject: RE: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? before chucking it or spending a fortune try using getdataback; its what we use at work with a pretty good success rate erm and thanks for all the peel links much appreciated. okay back to lurking. cheers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Susi Maxwell-Stewart Sent: 25 March 2008 07:09 To: peel@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? was your hard drive a seagate cos i have just lost 5 yrs sound and photo work on one and i am about to take it to the shop and discuss this very thing with them ----- Original Message ---- From: lollygagger To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, 24 March, 2008 3:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? The idea of having multiple backups is because if there is a single fault with a 500gb hard drive all is lost as I recently found to my cost. I am thinking of using OGG as my 3rd back up after WAV on hard drive and DVD's. If my home was every burnt down or burgled everything else could be replaced but not my collection so it's useful having a 3rd back up I can leave with someone else if only for peace of mind. So has anyone else other than Roger compared their original recordings with a compressed of OGG at 350kbs using dbpoweramp? Ye Roger thanks for that. Our ears might not be as sharp as they were in the olden days but they can't be that bad if I can still make an audible distinction between MP3 WMA & OGG lol Play nicely boys. My initial message was just to ask if others had or could make a similar audible comparison with OGG at 350kbs and their original recordings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: techy. May I borrow your ears? On 23/03/2008, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > To be honest, I think that .ogg at 1:4 is preferable to lossless > compression at 1:2, because the object of the exercise is to get the best > quality sound into the smallest file size, and if you can't hear the > difference (and not many people of our age can – myself included, and I > have 'trained' ears) then the smaller file size wins. > As I've said before, the vast majority of the material we're talking > about here was recorded to cassette, and you can't improve upon the > quality of the first generation; as you're starting from a fairly limited > bandwidth and dynamic range, you're pissing in the wind with lossless > compression. In short, go .ogg! There is no logic whatsoever in your argument. You seem to be saying the source is substandard, so making the closest possible digital version of that source is pointless. And your alternative is a knowingly degraded version. Digital compression slits into two camps - lossless, and lossy. The purposes of each type are in general rather different. Typically, an archivist will preserve a lossless version using a compression format that fits their needs - ie portability, speed of compression / decompression, and compression ratio. Those who prefer to make lossy copies - usually for personal use, not for public archiving - have one additional consideration - a trade-off - that of file size vs quality. And that's a very personal choice, which probably depends upon the abilities of the person's ears. It's my understanding that ogg [vorbis] *is* better a better quality encoder than mp3 - ie it produces a higher fidelity output for the same filesize, but that it suffers the same problem as Betamax - it's inferior relative is far more visible to the marketeers. It's worth bearing in mind the continuing fall in the price of storage. Hard drives of over 500GB can be bought for £60ish these days, and by the time you need to purchase the next drive the price will have dropped again. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Mar 28 02:54:38 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:54:38 -0000 Subject: 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The All-Time chart was in 2000, and I already have that one. The one I want had the Cuban Boys' appalling 'C vs I' at number one and Hefner at numbers two and three. Thanks for all your replies: I am hoping it will appear soon. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Last time I asked, I managed to fill several important gaps in my > Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody out there must have it. > So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a recording of the 1999 > Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, floc, ogg, oog, > igg...anything. Thank you. > Steve (Teenage Kicks) > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Mar 28 09:54:29 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: 1999 Festive Fifty: a re-request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1774.5359.qm@...> OK, I'm pretty sure i have some or all of that one somewhere too - I'll get back to you, cheers Roger --- Steve wrote: > The All-Time chart was in 2000, and I already have > that one. The one I > want had the Cuban Boys' appalling 'C vs I' at > number one and Hefner at > numbers two and three. Thanks for all your replies: > I am hoping it will > appear soon. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" > wrote: > > > > Last time I asked, I managed to fill several > important gaps in my > > Festive Fifty collection bar this one. Somebody > out there must have > it. > > So, here goes: Please, is there anybody with a > recording of the 1999 > > Festive Fifty? mp3, big3, 3wisemen, flic, flac, > floc, ogg, oog, > > igg...anything. Thank you. > > Steve (Teenage Kicks) > > > > > From andthezmore@... Sat Mar 29 18:33:03 2008 From: andthezmore@... (andthezmore) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:33:03 -0000 Subject: "I'll have 10 KitKats and a motoring atlas" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://rapidshare.com/files/103277652/ff99_pt1.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/103316997/ff99_pt2.rar http://rapidshare.com/files/103338875/ff99_pt3.rar Cheers Andrew From rsbj66@... Sun Mar 30 14:45:03 2008 From: rsbj66@... (Richard Shaw Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: John talking on air New Years Eve 1967 Message-ID: <865125.64615.qm@...> http://www.themisunderstood.com/Misunderstood-John-Peel-BBC-1967.mp3 Blast from the Past!!! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From rsbj66@... Sun Mar 30 15:20:29 2008 From: rsbj66@... (Richard Shaw Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Young John Pic Message-ID: <191135.1108.qm@...> PIC: Young John Ravenscroft in America 1966 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saipanda@... Sun Mar 30 20:43:52 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:43:52 -0000 Subject: "I'll have 10 KitKats and a motoring atlas" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew, Thanks so much for these. And again to Gary, for all his amazing ones too! Cheers, Steve W From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Mar 31 02:15:11 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:15:11 -0000 Subject: "I'll have 10 KitKats and a motoring atlas" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Andrew You have just been elevated to Godlike status. Thank you so much for filling this last gap in my collection. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andthezmore" wrote: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/103277652/ff99_pt1.rar > > http://rapidshare.com/files/103316997/ff99_pt2.rar > > http://rapidshare.com/files/103338875/ff99_pt3.rar > > Cheers > Andrew > From willowct@... Mon Mar 31 12:52:36 2008 From: willowct@... (willow) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:52:36 -0000 Subject: Fine Tunes, Incredible shoes Message-ID: Wouldn't it be nice to get on with the neighbours Wouldn't it be nice to play the Albert Hall forever. NEW HMHB LP TRACKLISTING CSI:Ambleside (29/03/08) The new LP is out on 28 April. The tracklisting reads thus: Evening Of Swing (Has Been Cancelled) Bad Losers On Yahoo Chess Took Problem Chimp To Ideal Home Show Ode To Joyce Blue Badge Abuser Totnes Bickering Fair King Of Hi-Vis Lord Hereford's Knob On The 'Roids Petty Sessions Little In The Way Of Sunshine Give Us Bubblewrap National Shite Day Any Wirral dwellers on this list by the way? Willow