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Wed Jul 2 12:36:27 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:36:27 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States Message-ID: Is here probbly anyone who has these CDs? I'm looking for a proper EAC rip in flac. I know these programs are up at Piratebay and other trackers, but ripped with gaps (where no gaps should be) and as MP3s. I also looked on several private music trackers, but radio programs are basically forbidden there :( So if here is anyone, it would be incredible if he would do this. If you are not in EAC und flac ripping I will give you a guide how to set them up correctly ;) Cheers Stefan From k.j.beech@... Wed Jul 2 16:08:43 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:08:43 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i've only got one 13 and 14 i think?-i could post flac if you want?? kev -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" wrote: > > Is here probbly anyone who has these CDs? I'm looking for a proper EAC > rip in flac. > I know these programs are up at Piratebay and other trackers, but > ripped with gaps (where no gaps should be) and as MP3s. > I also looked on several private music trackers, but radio programs > are basically forbidden there :( > > So if here is anyone, it would be incredible if he would do this. > If you are not in EAC und flac ripping I will give you a guide how to > set them up correctly ;) > > Cheers Stefan > From belphegore@... Wed Jul 2 17:17:44 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:17:44 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That would be nice. Are you familiar with Exact Audio Copy (and all the settings for a exact copy with log and cue sheet)? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > i've only got one 13 and 14 i think?-i could post flac if you want?? > > kev > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" wrote: > > > > Is here probbly anyone who has these CDs? I'm looking for a proper EAC > > rip in flac. > > I know these programs are up at Piratebay and other trackers, but > > ripped with gaps (where no gaps should be) and as MP3s. > > I also looked on several private music trackers, but radio programs > > are basically forbidden there :( > > > > So if here is anyone, it would be incredible if he would do this. > > If you are not in EAC und flac ripping I will give you a guide how to > > set them up correctly ;) > > > > Cheers Stefan > > > From k.j.beech@... Wed Jul 2 21:07:19 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:07:19 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: er.. no i've got flac front end on my pc version 1.7 --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" wrote: > > That would be nice. > > Are you familiar with Exact Audio Copy (and all the settings for a > exact copy with log and cue sheet)? > > > --- In peel@...m, "bty455834" wrote: > > > > i've only got one 13 and 14 i think?-i could post flac if you want?? > > > > kev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" wrote: > > > > > > Is here probbly anyone who has these CDs? I'm looking for a proper EAC > > > rip in flac. > > > I know these programs are up at Piratebay and other trackers, but > > > ripped with gaps (where no gaps should be) and as MP3s. > > > I also looked on several private music trackers, but radio programs > > > are basically forbidden there :( > > > > > > So if here is anyone, it would be incredible if he would do this. > > > If you are not in EAC und flac ripping I will give you a guide how to > > > set them up correctly ;) > > > > > > Cheers Stefan > > > > > > From chachaman2k@... Wed Jul 2 23:39:24 2008 From: chachaman2k@... (mollythecat63) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:39:24 -0000 Subject: Oops, I did it again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Sorry if I sound stupid, I don't mean to, but have you made this downloadable, the festive Fifty tape, as if you have, I cannot see a link for this. Please help, and thank you in anticipation. C. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Wow - what a nice thing to happen - thanks ! > > I used Rapidshare recently to share a Peel show and it was > very quick and easy. Sign onto the free "Freezone" and "Collectors > Zone" and you can check on how many have downloaded your item. > > http://rapidshare.com/ > > Btw Glastonbury this year - what's it turned into ? > Winehouse - I'd rather listen to the original 60's stuff if I > want black soul/r&b. Peel did it best - one 60's soul/r&b song > every 2 hrs ! Ie nice in small doses. > > Must admit I've not heard anything by that > Jay-Zee... Some rap I like, if the "music" is good eg Beasties. > > Thanks again. Let's share all Peel shows - he'd surely > have wanted it that way .............. > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > > > One day late as I had to watch Spain trash Germany at Euro 2008 and > Jay > > Z trash Noel at Glastonbury. > > > > Right now No 49 (Clash - Police and Thieves) is ripping to MP3 so > the > > whole C120 should be done tonight. I obviously didn't like No. 50 > > (Buzzcocks - What do you get?) back in 1979 so that is one of the > > missing tracks. All Peel voice links intact so far. > > > > It will take me a day or two to work out how to upload. > > > > John > > > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > > > Not forgotten, just not been in the country for a while. In fact > it's > > > sitting here looking forlorn saying "rip me rip me". Maybe this > Sunday. > > > > > > John > > > > > > vinpinman wrote: > > > > > > > > 1979!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Please, please (x1000) let us have it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > From john.bravin@... Wed Jul 2 23:57:28 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:57:28 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Oops, I did it again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486BF9C8.80404@...> Not yet. Maybe tomorrow night, otherwise after I get back from the Werchter festival in Belgium John mollythecat63 wrote: > > Hi > Sorry if I sound stupid, I don't mean to, but have you made this > downloadable, the festive > Fifty tape, as if you have, I cannot see a link for this. Please help, > and thank you in anticipation. > > From belphegore@... Thu Jul 3 12:33:46 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:33:46 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Flac Front End is fine, I also use it ;) But what you also need is Exact Audio Copy http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (hopefully you are at a windows machine) withh correct settings: http://www2.firehose.us:81/~jiggafellz/eac/index.html A guide how to use and set up EAC correctly I didn't need point4: encoder settings because you use Flac Front End. I know that's a tall order. So it's up to you: an EAC rip with log and cue file or only simple flac files... Cheers Stefan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > er.. no > > i've got flac front end on my pc version 1.7 > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" > wrote: > > > > That would be nice. > > > > Are you familiar with Exact Audio Copy (and all the settings for a > > exact copy with log and cue sheet)? > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > > > > > i've only got one 13 and 14 i think?-i could post flac if you > want?? > > > > > > kev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "atyourveryownrisk" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Is here probbly anyone who has these CDs? I'm looking for a > proper EAC > > > > rip in flac. > > > > I know these programs are up at Piratebay and other trackers, > but > > > > ripped with gaps (where no gaps should be) and as MP3s. > > > > I also looked on several private music trackers, but radio > programs > > > > are basically forbidden there :( > > > > > > > > So if here is anyone, it would be incredible if he would do > this. > > > > If you are not in EAC und flac ripping I will give you a guide > how to > > > > set them up correctly ;) > > > > > > > > Cheers Stefan > > > > > > > > > > From vinpinman@... Sat Jul 5 18:27:36 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 Message-ID: I'm going to put together a '76 year-specific FF with your help. See FiS for more details: http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2008/07/1976-revisited.html From john.bravin@... Sat Jul 5 19:47:49 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:47:49 +0200 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486FB3C5.6040800@...> As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each Part is 1 hour long. Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at night". http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 John Bravin Steve wrote: > > Dear John > > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will make > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, of > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated breath. > > From guyanthonybrown@... Sat Jul 5 22:27:24 2008 From: guyanthonybrown@... (GuyAnthonyBrown) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:27:24 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States Message-ID: I've posted 17 & 18 - the only one I own - in FLAC files to DivShare with its EAC cue sheet Thanks Stefan for the hints re set up of EAC >> Exact Audio Copy http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ and especially the doc for correct settings: http://www2.firehose.us:81/~jiggafellz/eac/index.html The bit I'm confused about is that since they are all separate files I have to give you 17 separate links. Could I have done this better. They are all in one folder in DivShare, but how can I simply share that whole folder? http://www.divshare.com/download/4869546-06f http://www.divshare.com/download/4874981-596 http://www.divshare.com/download/4874984-6b6 http://www.divshare.com/download/4874986-528 http://www.divshare.com/download/4874988-75d http://www.divshare.com/download/4874989-ffe http://www.divshare.com/download/4874983-b8b http://www.divshare.com/download/4874990-979 http://www.divshare.com/download/4874991-db3 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875339-3d2 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875337-2e1 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875340-c7d http://www.divshare.com/download/4875341-1d4 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875343-817 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875342-135 http://www.divshare.com/download/4875338-132 cue sheet http://www.divshare.com/download/4875336-f0a From belphegore@... Sun Jul 6 00:04:45 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:04:45 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's very nice, thanks a lot! Did you saved also the log file? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "GuyAnthonyBrown" wrote: > > I've posted 17 & 18 - the only one I own - in FLAC files to DivShare > with its EAC cue sheet > > Thanks Stefan for the hints re set up of EAC > >> Exact Audio Copy http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ > and especially the doc for correct settings: > http://www2.firehose.us:81/~jiggafellz/eac/index.html > > The bit I'm confused about is that since they are all separate files > I have to give you 17 separate links. Could I have done this better. > They are all in one folder in DivShare, but how can I simply share > that whole folder? > > http://www.divshare.com/download/4869546-06f > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874981-596 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874984-6b6 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874986-528 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874988-75d > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874989-ffe > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874983-b8b > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874990-979 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4874991-db3 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875339-3d2 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875337-2e1 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875340-c7d > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875341-1d4 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875343-817 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875342-135 > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875338-132 > > cue sheet > http://www.divshare.com/download/4875336-f0a > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Jul 6 01:47:38 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:47:38 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <486FB3C5.6040800@...> Message-ID: Hallelujah!!! For the Lord God omnipotent reigneth, and lo, his name is John Bravin. Thank you from the bottom of my heart...it was worth the long wait. (even though it's on Rapidshare...ugh!) Did you enjoy the festival, buddy? It looked like a good line-up on Wikipedia. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks-soon to be reborn] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. > > Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each Part > is 1 hour long. > > Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the > term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at > night". > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 > > John Bravin > > Steve wrote: > > > > Dear John > > > > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? > > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will make > > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, of > > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated breath. > > > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Jul 6 03:54:53 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:54:53 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <486FB3C5.6040800@...> Message-ID: Fellow Peelites To those of you who don't possess my exhaustive list of the Festive Fifties (available for free here ), here is the complete 1979 FF with a list of the ones that appear on John Bravin's tapes: Festive Fifty 1979 1. Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK 2. Undertones - Teenage Kicks 3. Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais 4. Jam - Down In the Tube Station At Midnight 5. Clash - Complete Control 6. Stiff Little Fingers - Alternative Ulster 7. Special AKA - Gangsters 8. Stiff Little Fingers - Suspect Device 9. Public Image Ltd. - Public Image 10. Damned - New Rose 11. Ruts - In A Rut 12. Undertones - Get Over You 13. Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen 14. Sex Pistols - Holidays In The Sun 15. Stiff Little Fingers - Johnny Was 16. Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant 17. Magazine - Shot By Both Sides 18. Stiff Little Fingers - Wasted Life 19. Jam - Eton Rifles 20. Only Ones - Another Girl, Another Planet 21. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Love In A Void 22. Damned - Love Song 23. Gang of Four - Damaged Goods 24. Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven 25. Buzzcocks - Boredom 26. Clash - White Riot 27. Jam - Strange Town 28. Public Image Ltd. - Death Disco 29. Undertones - You've Got My Number 30. Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond 31. Undertones - Jimmy Jimmy 32. Who - My Generation 33. Dead Kennedys - California Uber Alles 34. David Bowie - Heroes 35. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Icon 36. Specials - Too Much Too Young 37. Skids - Into The Valley 38. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Switch 39. Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric? 40. Fall - Rowche Rumble 41. Mekons - Where Were You 42. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Jigsaw Feeling 43. Cure - 10:15 Saturday Night 44. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Playground Twist 45. Stranglers - No More Heroes 46. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter 47. Ruts - Babylon's Burning 48. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Hong Kong Garden 49. Clash - Police & Thieves 50. Buzzcocks - What Do I Get? Tape One: 49-47, 44, 34, 33, 31. 30, 28-26, 22, 20 Tape Two: 19-16, 14-11, 9-1 Best wishes, Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. > > Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each Part > is 1 hour long. > > Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the > term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at > night". > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 > > John Bravin > > Steve wrote: > > > > Dear John > > > > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? > > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will make > > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, of > > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated breath. > > > > > From belphegore@... Sun Jul 6 11:54:41 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:54:41 -0000 Subject: Peel Out In The States In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am sorry! I can't help with DivShare. BTW If you set EAC correctly the log was automatically saved by EAC. Please, you could you upload the log file or paste it in an answer? Thanks! From thebarguest@... Sun Jul 6 13:43:36 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:43:36 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <486FB3C5.6040800@...> Message-ID: Thanks for this ! Full marks for the 192/48 mp3 quality. It's strange to hear Pink Floyd juxtaposed next to punky songs ! 1979 was the last year that happened, maybe because the BBC bosses decided to implement a policy of musical "apartheid"/segregation. >From then on (actually from 77-78), Peel would be JUST new-wave and NO trad rock, and the "rock" shows eg Vance, would have NO new-wave even if it sounded like trad rock ! The Alan Freeman Sat Rock Show from 77 to 78 was multi-cultural - whilst mainly trad rock, it showcased the "best" new-wave eg Television, Pistols, Stranglers, X-Ray Spex, Clash etc... Sadly, it ended in Aug 1978 ............... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. > > Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each Part > is 1 hour long. > > Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the > term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at > night". > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 > > John Bravin > > Steve wrote: > > > > Dear John > > > > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? > > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will make > > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, of > > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated breath. > > > > > From hangthedj@... Sun Jul 6 15:21:31 2008 From: hangthedj@... (hangthedj@...) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:21:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: <486FB3C5.6040800@...> Message-ID: <55300.92.234.56.129.1215350491.V1IUQ21ZSU9/RR0X.squirrel@92.234.56.129> It looks like this one is missing from the tape/download: (#10) New Rose - The Damned - John Peel Show (1979) Festive Fifty https://www.yousendit.com/download/TTdFYlJaMHd0TW5IRGc9PQ - I am still downloading from rapidshare cheers > Fellow Peelites > > To those of you who don't possess my exhaustive list of the Festive > Fifties (available for free here ), > here is the complete 1979 FF with a list of the ones that appear on John > Bravin's tapes: > > Festive Fifty 1979 > > 1. Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK > > 2. Undertones - Teenage Kicks > > 3. Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais > > 4. Jam - Down In the Tube Station At Midnight > > 5. Clash - Complete Control > > 6. Stiff Little Fingers - Alternative Ulster > > 7. Special AKA - Gangsters > > 8. Stiff Little Fingers - Suspect Device > > 9. Public Image Ltd. - Public Image > > 10. Damned - New Rose > > 11. Ruts - In A Rut > > 12. Undertones - Get Over You > > 13. Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen > > 14. Sex Pistols - Holidays In The Sun > > 15. Stiff Little Fingers - Johnny Was > > 16. Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant > > 17. Magazine - Shot By Both Sides > > 18. Stiff Little Fingers - Wasted Life > > 19. Jam - Eton Rifles > > 20. Only Ones - Another Girl, Another Planet > > 21. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Love In A Void > > 22. Damned - Love Song > > 23. Gang of Four - Damaged Goods > > 24. Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven > > 25. Buzzcocks - Boredom > > 26. Clash - White Riot > > 27. Jam - Strange Town > > 28. Public Image Ltd. - Death Disco > > 29. Undertones - You've Got My Number > > 30. Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond > > 31. Undertones - Jimmy Jimmy > > 32. Who - My Generation > > 33. Dead Kennedys - California Uber Alles > > 34. David Bowie - Heroes > > 35. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Icon > > 36. Specials - Too Much Too Young > > 37. Skids - Into The Valley > > 38. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Switch > > 39. Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric? > > 40. Fall - Rowche Rumble > > 41. Mekons - Where Were You > > 42. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Jigsaw Feeling > > 43. Cure - 10:15 Saturday Night > > 44. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Playground Twist > > 45. Stranglers - No More Heroes > > 46. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter > > 47. Ruts - Babylon's Burning > > 48. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Hong Kong Garden > > 49. Clash - Police & Thieves > > 50. Buzzcocks - What Do I Get? > > > > Tape One: 49-47, 44, 34, 33, 31. 30, 28-26, 22, 20 > > Tape Two: 19-16, 14-11, 9-1 > > > Best wishes, Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: >> >> As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. >> >> Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each > Part >> is 1 hour long. >> >> Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the >> term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at >> night". >> >> http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 >> >> http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 >> >> John Bravin >> >> Steve wrote: >> > >> > Dear John >> > >> > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? >> > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will > make >> > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! >> > Best wishes >> > Steve [Teenage Kicks] >> > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, > of >> > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated > breath. >> > >> > >> > > > From john.bravin@... Sun Jul 6 16:23:34 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:23:34 +0200 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4870D566.40401@...> Pity this segregation business. I'm just back from Rock Werchter where I saw Jay Z playing a peace and love set to a sunny happy crowd like they were the house band at a seaside resort, followed by Neil Young playing a feral, searing set that could have welded metal. Both were excellent in their own way. And between them The Verve played their greatest hits. Neil played with 3 of the Crazy Horse band including Ben Keith who was a session musicians back in the 1950s. On the big screen he looked at least 75 years old , but if I had to choose between seeing Neil Young or the Sex Pistols playing at a festival this summer it would be no contest. He's playing in Kent today; if you have the time you won't regret it. This is my 39th year of festivals (starting with John Peel & Led Zep in 1969). Some things never change (although the toilets have improved beyond the 100m open trench in Weeley in 1972), but one things the Belgians have really got right is the transport. All trains and buses are free (from anywhere in the country) all weekend. Now wouldn't it be nice if Glastonbury introduced that. John thebarguest wrote: > > Thanks for this ! Full marks for the 192/48 mp3 quality. > > It's strange to hear Pink Floyd juxtaposed next to punky songs ! > 1979 was the last year that happened, maybe because the BBC bosses > decided to implement a policy of musical "apartheid"/segregation. > >From then on (actually from 77-78), Peel would be JUST new-wave and NO > trad rock, and the "rock" shows eg Vance, would have NO new-wave even > if it sounded like trad rock ! > > 008 10:15 > From saipanda@... Sun Jul 6 16:54:56 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:54:56 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <4870D566.40401@...> Message-ID: Just like to add my thanks for this. Great stuff. Think '79 is about the first I remember hearing myself, so it's a pretty special one for me. Any more holy grails out there? Think it's about down to the 1976-78 FF programmes now. From john.bravin@... Sun Jul 6 17:03:51 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:03:51 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4870DED7.9060106@...> Do you guys not have the 1978? John saipanda wrote: > > Any more holy grails out there? Think it's about down to the 1976-78 > FF programmes now. > From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 6 17:11:48 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:11:48 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reads like the playlist from a punk compilation I picked up in a bargain bin a while back called ŒThe Best Punk Album Ever!¹ or some such (strictly for listening to in the car, you understand ;-). Also surprising (or not) is how many of these tracks appear in the All Time Festive Fifty, 20 years later. As for the Continentals doing hospitality better than us Brits, I Œm afraid I have to agree. Years ago I went to a summer course in France where the Mairee not only laid on the use of the Camping Municipale for free for all the etrangers, but also held a civic reception for us, where he proceeded to ply myself and a mate with his best vintage champers from his private cellar, then arranged for a taxi to pick us up the next day and take us to his house for a slap-up meal. I mentioned this to the organisers of a comparable course that I had attended for years here in the UK, where they only concession to foreigners was a paltry tenner off the price of the course, and it didn¹t go down too well at all... Big thanks for this one, Cheers Roger On 06/07/2008 02:54, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > To those of you who don't possess my exhaustive list of the Festive Fifties > (available for free here ), here is the > complete 1979 FF with a list of the ones that appear on John Bravin's tapes: > > Festive Fifty 1979 > > 1. Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK >> 2. Undertones - Teenage Kicks >> >> 3. Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais >> >> 4. Jam - Down In the Tube Station At Midnight >> >> 5. Clash - Complete Control >> >> 6. Stiff Little Fingers - Alternative Ulster >> >> 7. Special AKA - Gangsters >> >> 8. Stiff Little Fingers - Suspect Device >> >> 9. Public Image Ltd. - Public Image >> >> 10. Damned - New Rose >> >> 11. Ruts - In A Rut >> >> 12. Undertones - Get Over You >> >> 13. Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen >> >> 14. Sex Pistols - Holidays In The Sun >> >> 15. Stiff Little Fingers - Johnny Was >> >> 16. Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant >> >> 17. Magazine - Shot By Both Sides >> >> 18. Stiff Little Fingers - Wasted Life >> >> 19. Jam - Eton Rifles >> >> 20. Only Ones - Another Girl, Another Planet >> >> 21. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Love In A Void >> >> 22. Damned - Love Song >> >> 23. Gang of Four - Damaged Goods >> >> 24. Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven >> >> 25. Buzzcocks - Boredom >> >> 26. Clash - White Riot >> >> 27. Jam - Strange Town >> >> 28. Public Image Ltd. - Death Disco >> >> 29. Undertones - You've Got My Number >> >> 30. Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond >> >> 31. Undertones - Jimmy Jimmy >> >> 32. Who - My Generation >> >> 33. Dead Kennedys - California Uber Alles >> >> 34. David Bowie - Heroes >> >> 35. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Icon >> >> 36. Specials - Too Much Too Young >> >> 37. Skids - Into The Valley >> >> 38. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Switch >> >> 39. Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric? >> >> 40. Fall - Rowche Rumble >> >> 41. Mekons - Where Were You >> >> 42. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Jigsaw Feeling >> >> 43. Cure - 10:15 Saturday Night >> >> 44. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Playground Twist >> >> 45. Stranglers - No More Heroes >> >> 46. Siouxsie & The Banshees - Helter Skelter >> >> 47. Ruts - Babylon's Burning >> >> 48. Siouxsie & the Banshees - Hong Kong Garden >> >> 49. Clash - Police & Thieves >> >> 50. Buzzcocks - What Do I Get? >> >> > > Tape One: 49-47, 44, 34, 33, 31. 30, 28-26, 22, 20 > > Tape Two: 19-16, 14-11, 9-1 > > > Best wishes, Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: >> > >> > As promised, glad to share my piece of the archive. >> > >> > Quality offered 'as is' complete with drop outs, editing etc. Each Part >> > is 1 hour long. >> > >> > Some classic Peel Festive Fifty quotes remain including "I dislike the >> > term 'new entry', as the connotations of defloration keep me awake at >> > night". >> > >> > http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 >> > >> > http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 >> > >> > John Bravin >> > >> > Steve wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Dear John >>> > > >>> > > Did I read that correctly? 'The C90 of the 1979 Festive Fifty'???? >>> > > Is this or is it not Holy Grail??? If you can upload it, you will make >>> > > a lot of people (myself included) very happy....!!!!!! >>> > > Best wishes >>> > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] >>> > > P.S. Assuming it is the original broadcast and not just the tracks, of >>> > > course, but you seem to imply that it is so. I wait with bated breath. >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > From dunelm@... Sun Jul 6 17:42:48 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:42:48 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Def Leppard? Iron Maiden? Samson? Witchfynde? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > It's strange to hear Pink Floyd juxtaposed next to punky songs ! > 1979 was the last year that happened, maybe because the BBC bosses > decided to implement a policy of musical "apartheid"/segregation. > From then on (actually from 77-78), Peel would be JUST new-wave and NO > trad rock, and the "rock" shows eg Vance, would have NO new-wave even > if it sounded like trad rock ! From john.bravin@... Sun Jul 6 17:48:04 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:48:04 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4870E934.9050901@...> Actually the free transport is not just for the foreigners it's for everyone. The real reason is to manage traffic congestion and minimise the car parking problems. But in terms of green festival credentials its probably has more impact than bio-degradable tent pegs. Although if you are one of Michael Eavis's cow's and have just stepped on a hidden rusty metal tent peg you may disagree. BTW the free buses run all 4 days until 3am. Now that's a holistic national transport policy. John Roger Carruthers wrote: > > As for the Continentals doing hospitality better than us Brits, I �m > afraid I have to agree. > From john.bravin@... Sun Jul 6 17:55:01 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:55:01 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4870EAD5.2020300@...> Actually Slayer played Werchter mainstage before Jay Z, and they seemed to be a decent bunch of lads. A lot of 'attitude' of course, but I'm sure Extreme Noise Terror would have blown them away. And I'm convinced after the set they probably sat down with a nice cup of tea. John dunelm61 wrote: > > Def Leppard? Iron Maiden? Samson? Witchfynde? > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > It's strange to hear Pink Floyd juxtaposed next to punky songs ! > > 1979 was the last year that happened, maybe because the BBC bosses > > decided to implement a policy of musical "apartheid"/segregation. > > From then on (actually from 77-78), Peel would be JUST new-wave and NO > > trad rock, and the "rock" shows eg Vance, would have NO new-wave even > > if it sounded like trad rock ! > From saipanda@... Sun Jul 6 18:08:04 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:08:04 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <4870DED7.9060106@...> Message-ID: Hi John, Many thanks again for this one. FF 1978 is still on the missing list as far as I know. So if you have it and can make it available, there will probably be people jumping for joy all over the world. (I'm in Tokyo, for a start!) Actually, any and all Peel shows you have on tape from that era or earlier and can convert would probably be hugely appreciated. Think its pre-1980 where there seems to be less that's generally available. Cheers. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Do you guys not have the 1978? > > John > > saipanda wrote: > > > > Any more holy grails out there? Think it's about down to the 1976-78 > > FF programmes now. > > > From thebarguest@... Sun Jul 6 19:56:24 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:56:24 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stuart Maconie said recently in his "Radio Times" collumn that there really wasn't much musical difference between the Pistols "Never Mind The B*" album, and Judas Priest's offerings from the same period. Lyrically, of course, they were very different - nihilistic social realism/negativism versus goblins and medieval wars ! A lot of people in the late 70's had mixed taste. Among my own friends,AC/DC and Motorhead were enjoyed alongside Pistols, Ultravox, Magazine, Buzzcocks... A huge Yes fan got into Killing Joke and Joy Division. The different genres were not mutually exclusive but there was blind prejudice from a minority of extremists on both sides. Actually, very early Def Leppard (1979/80), when they were nwobhm and not USA-FM-candy-rock, was exciting, fast, hard rock. Just been listening to the famous NME C81 tape in the kitchen - it was weird, I kept expecting Peely's voice between the songs ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > Def Leppard? Iron Maiden? Samson? Witchfynde? > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > It's strange to hear Pink Floyd juxtaposed next to punky songs ! > > 1979 was the last year that happened, maybe because the BBC bosses > > decided to implement a policy of musical "apartheid"/segregation. > > From then on (actually from 77-78), Peel would be JUST new-wave and NO > > trad rock, and the "rock" shows eg Vance, would have NO new-wave even > > if it sounded like trad rock ! > From dunelm@... Sun Jul 6 23:16:51 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:16:51 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is going to be interesting. My money's on Anarchy In The UK and New Rose to finish 1 and 2. And I'd also expect singles by the 101ers, Blondie, Wayne County, Eddie & the Hot Rods, Richard Hell, Nick Lowe, Pere Ubu, the Runaways, the Saints, Patti Smith, Television and the Vibrators – and most of the Ramones' first LP – to be in there too. Which is all fine and dandy except that (whisper it) nobody was actually listening to those records in 1976! 1976 can be summed up in three words which will strike fear into the heart of anyone of my age and in themselves are enough to explain why punk had to happen: Frampton Comes Alive. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > I'm going to put together a '76 year-specific FF with your help. See > FiS for more details: > > http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2008/07/1976-revisited.html > From robfleay@... Sun Jul 6 23:58:02 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:58:02 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive 50 Message-ID: <20080706220249.GRRN8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > Frampton Comes Alive. if ever an album was deserving of an exclamation mark! ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From philip.gh@... Mon Jul 7 00:59:36 2008 From: philip.gh@... (phil) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:59:36 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't forget, Jethro Tull's Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die! came out that year too ;-) I bought that on my way home from school :( Phil From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Jul 7 03:58:47 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:58:47 -0000 Subject: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: <4870DED7.9060106@...> Message-ID: Dear John No sir, we do not have the 1978 Festive Fifty...are you implying that you do? If so... Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Do you guys not have the 1978? > > John > > saipanda wrote: > > > > Any more holy grails out there? Think it's about down to the 1976-78 > > FF programmes now. > > > From thebarguest@... Mon Jul 7 10:41:57 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:41:57 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Don't forget, Jethro Tull's Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to > Die! came out that year too ;-) > I bought that on my way home from school :( - When you were 3 years old ? According to your profile, you're 35 years old now ! Maybe you saw the Tull on "Supersonic" ("Cue Jethro Tull"), ha ha ....... Wow, you got into rock/pop music early, and you bought it all on your own ? I've heard of child prodigies, but ..... Seriously, Bolton's a great place - some lovely walking country nearby like Rivington and Entwistle, in the Pennines. The size and architecture of the town centre tells you that it's far more than just a 'burb of Manch ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "phil" wrote: > > New Rose to finish 1 and 2. And I'd also expect singles by the > 101ers, Blondie, Wayne County, Eddie & the Hot Rods, Richard Hell, > Nick Lowe, Pere Ubu, the Runaways, the Saints, Patti Smith, > Television and the Vibrators – and most of the Ramones' first LP – to > be in there too.> > > Don't forget, Jethro Tull's Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to > Die! came out that year too ;-) > I bought that on my way home from school :( > > Phil > From saipanda@... Mon Jul 7 13:37:59 2008 From: saipanda@... (Steve Walsh) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 04:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1976, frampton Message-ID: <791051.69620.qm@...> All this talk of 1976 (when I was 13/14 and there was a very hot summer) reminds me that there's a pretty decent Rough Trade Shops compilation in their Counter Culture series featuring some good stuff from that very same year.   If any feels like checking it out, here's the tracklisting, etc: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rough-Trade-Shops-Counter-Culture/dp/tracks/B000GCF93K/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1: On the subject of Peter Frampton -- yeah, I remember seeing the live album cover everywhere -- think it's true that he was earlier with Humble Pie, and there's a concert of them (from the early 70s) introduced by JP floating around out there in torrent-land. Haven't actually listened to this, though, so I may be wrong. Another case of JP being ahead of his time? Cheers, Steve W PS My dad had a Humble Pie live album. Didn't really like it much, I seem to remember. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From wewalkforonereason@... Mon Jul 7 13:49:16 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:49:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1976, frampton In-Reply-To: <791051.69620.qm@...> References: <791051.69620.qm@...> Message-ID: 2008/7/7 Steve Walsh : > PS My dad had a Humble Pie live album. Didn't really like it much, I seem to > remember. Humble Pie's "Rockin' The Fillmore" album (which features Peter Frampton) is one of the great live albums of all time. And almost certainly inspiration for Paul Weller's rather weak cover of "Walk On Gilded Splinters". Here it lasts 24 tempestuous minutes. From saipanda@... Mon Jul 7 14:43:09 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:43:09 -0000 Subject: 1976, frampton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, that's the one my dad had. Willing to take your word it's a classic, but never really got into it, I'm afraid. Maybe I should track down that Peel Humble Pie concert file that's floating around and give it a listen. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > 2008/7/7 Steve Walsh : > > > PS My dad had a Humble Pie live album. Didn't really like it much, I seem to > > remember. > > Humble Pie's "Rockin' The Fillmore" album (which features Peter > Frampton) is one of the great live albums of all time. And almost > certainly inspiration for Paul Weller's rather weak cover of "Walk On > Gilded Splinters". Here it lasts 24 tempestuous minutes. > From john.bravin@... Mon Jul 7 17:55:16 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:55:16 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Holy Grail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48723C64.3030706@...> Steve, can you bear the excitement of two holy grails in one week. I will try to upload it soon. Perhaps it will make up for your PC blowing up. John Steve wrote: > > Dear John > > No sir, we do not have the 1978 Festive Fifty...are you implying that > you do? If so... > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , John > Bravin wrote: > > > > Do you guys not have the 1978? > > > > John > > > > saipanda wrote: > > > > > > Any more holy grails out there? Think it's about down to the 1976-78 > > > FF programmes now. > From john.bravin@... Mon Jul 7 22:30:10 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:30:10 +0200 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48727CD2.1040400@...> I'm listening to some of the older shows where Peel invited listeners to choose their selection of the best music they would pick as representative of the 10 years of the John Peel Show on Radio 1 - a kind of pre-Festive Fifty. Regarding the comment on 1976 below (and bearing in mind the listener shows were broadcast in September before the punk explosion took off), he actually comments on the fact that "almost all of shows compiled by listeners ignore the years 1973-1976 which he describes as 'fallow years'". Very perceptive given what happened a few months later. I can remember the excitement generated when Bob Marley released his Live at The Lyceum album (actually in Dec 1975) but I didn't really hear it until 1976. Although that wasn't Punk there was a feeling that it was breath of fresh air, and for a few months it was the hottest sound around. It certainly influenced Peel as he started playing some interesting non-pop reggae culminating in his championing of the Misty in Roots Live at the Countervision album four years later. And it certainly influenced some of the Punk movement. John dunelm61 wrote: > > Which is all fine and dandy except that (whisper it) nobody was > actually listening to those records in 1976! > > 1976 can be summed up in three words which will strike fear into the > heart of anyone of my age and in themselves are enough to explain why > punk had to happen: Frampton Comes Alive. > From thebarguest@... Mon Jul 7 23:36:02 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:36:02 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: <48727CD2.1040400@...> Message-ID: I'll be eternally grateful to JP for introducing me to the beauty and grace of reggae (esp dub) and The Fall... The latest Fall album is brilliant ! But was the golden age of reggae from 76 to 83 ? ....... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > I'm listening to some of the older shows where Peel invited listeners to > choose their selection of the best music they would pick as > representative of the 10 years of the John Peel Show on Radio 1 - a kind > of pre-Festive Fifty. Regarding the comment on 1976 below (and bearing > in mind the listener shows were broadcast in September before the punk > explosion took off), he actually comments on the fact that "almost all > of shows compiled by listeners ignore the years 1973-1976 which he > describes as 'fallow years'". Very perceptive given what happened a few > months later. > > I can remember the excitement generated when Bob Marley released his > Live at The Lyceum album (actually in Dec 1975) but I didn't really hear > it until 1976. Although that wasn't Punk there was a feeling that it > was breath of fresh air, and for a few months it was the hottest sound > around. It certainly influenced Peel as he started playing some > interesting non-pop reggae culminating in his championing of the Misty > in Roots Live at the Countervision album four years later. And it > certainly influenced some of the Punk movement. > > John > > dunelm61 wrote: > > > > Which is all fine and dandy except that (whisper it) nobody was > > actually listening to those records in 1976! > > > > 1976 can be summed up in three words which will strike fear into the > > heart of anyone of my age and in themselves are enough to explain why > > punk had to happen: Frampton Comes Alive. > > > From thebarguest@... Tue Jul 8 00:08:23 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:08:23 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 In-Reply-To: <48727CD2.1040400@...> Message-ID: Given the dire state of rock/pop/indie music over the past, what, 8 years, one wonders why there hasn't been a new punk-esque shake-over ? Do we need a McClaren-type shyster ? Is there nothing new under the rock/indie sun ? ........ --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > I'm listening to some of the older shows where Peel invited listeners to > choose their selection of the best music they would pick as > representative of the 10 years of the John Peel Show on Radio 1 - a kind > of pre-Festive Fifty. Regarding the comment on 1976 below (and bearing > in mind the listener shows were broadcast in September before the punk > explosion took off), he actually comments on the fact that "almost all > of shows compiled by listeners ignore the years 1973-1976 which he > describes as 'fallow years'". Very perceptive given what happened a few > months later. > > I can remember the excitement generated when Bob Marley released his > Live at The Lyceum album (actually in Dec 1975) but I didn't really hear > it until 1976. Although that wasn't Punk there was a feeling that it > was breath of fresh air, and for a few months it was the hottest sound > around. It certainly influenced Peel as he started playing some > interesting non-pop reggae culminating in his championing of the Misty > in Roots Live at the Countervision album four years later. And it > certainly influenced some of the Punk movement. > > John > > dunelm61 wrote: > > > > Which is all fine and dandy except that (whisper it) nobody was > > actually listening to those records in 1976! > > > > 1976 can be summed up in three words which will strike fear into the > > heart of anyone of my age and in themselves are enough to explain why > > punk had to happen: Frampton Comes Alive. > > > From saipanda@... Tue Jul 8 06:03:41 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:03:41 -0000 Subject: holy grails In-Reply-To: <48727CD2.1040400@...> Message-ID: Hi John, Your talk of FF78 and pre-76 shows is extremely tantalizing. If you have the time, it would be brilliant if you could follow up FF79 by making these available too. And of course any other vintage Peel shows you have lurking around in your treasure trove... On the FF front, not sure if your "pre-Festive Fifty" is actually the holiest of holy grails -- what is generally counted as the very first F50, broadcast in 1976 (ties in with ten years of shows, from 1967). Full listing here: http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/festive50lists.htm#1976 The Christmas 1977 special is also counted as a F50, although it actually thought that it was JP playing his own favorites, rather than the results of a reader poll, reflecting more closely the big changes in the musical landscape and the makeup of the show. Like FF78, the above shows are complete legends in these parts and have never been available digitally as far as I know. Yours in hope, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > I'm listening to some of the older shows where Peel invited listeners to > choose their selection of the best music they would pick as > representative of the 10 years of the John Peel Show on Radio 1 - a kind > of pre-Festive Fifty. Regarding the comment on 1976 below (and bearing > in mind the listener shows were broadcast in September before the punk > explosion took off), he actually comments on the fact that "almost all > of shows compiled by listeners ignore the years 1973-1976 which he > describes as 'fallow years'". Very perceptive given what happened a few > months later. > > I can remember the excitement generated when Bob Marley released his > Live at The Lyceum album (actually in Dec 1975) but I didn't really hear > it until 1976. Although that wasn't Punk there was a feeling that it > was breath of fresh air, and for a few months it was the hottest sound > around. It certainly influenced Peel as he started playing some > interesting non-pop reggae culminating in his championing of the Misty > in Roots Live at the Countervision album four years later. And it > certainly influenced some of the Punk movement. > > John > > dunelm61 wrote: > > > > Which is all fine and dandy except that (whisper it) nobody was > > actually listening to those records in 1976! > > > > 1976 can be summed up in three words which will strike fear into the > > heart of anyone of my age and in themselves are enough to explain why > > punk had to happen: Frampton Comes Alive. > > > From deedeeramain@... Tue Jul 8 09:11:04 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:11:04 -0000 Subject: Walk on Gilded Splinters Message-ID: The recent talk of 'Walk on Gilded Splinters' reminded me of the cover I used to like by the Flowerpot Men in the Eighties. (Not sure I still like it as all my records are in a warehouse in the Midlands and I'm in Saudi Arabia!). I downloaded the Humble Pie version to see what that was like - Yeah! Awful noodling hippy pap! I googled the Flowerpot Men and came across an interesting site by the producer Mike Thorne which you might find interesting. There's some nice anecdotes regarding a bunch of the artists he worked with - Sex Pistols, Bronski Beat, Siouxsie, Wire, The The etc: http://www.stereosociety.com/walkon.html Dee Dee From dunelm@... Tue Jul 8 22:59:08 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:59:08 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 Message-ID: I'm sorely tempted to vote for Derek & Clive's This Bloke Came Up To Me, which statistically must be my most listened to track from 1976. (That's not to underestimate Rod Stewart's The Killing Of Georgie, released the same year, which is also pure comedy gold). From john.bravin@... Wed Jul 9 00:41:35 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:41:35 +0200 Subject: 1978 Festive Fifty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4873ED1F.4020901@...> Glad to share another one of these early Festive Fifties with you. This one is 1978 with its mix of 'traditional' and 'new wave'. Again quality offered 'as is' complete with editing etc. Each Part is 1 hour long. My personal favourites are Madam George by Van Morrison (seeing him in a few weeks in the UK) and Rose of Cimarron by Poco. Peel once said of early Pink Floyd (around the Meddle time) that whatever mood he starts off in, listening to the extended Pink Floyd tracks always leaves him feeling relaxed. That's what R of C does for me (particularly the hint of a banjo ending), although lyrically you have to say it's complete tosh. And I also like the guitar in Shot by Both Sides. Sorry the file names weren't made more meaningful before I uploaded them, but there is something authentic about leaving the files as Tape 074A & B. http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 After this I am on the road again, but I have been busily ripping some more early shows so watch this space around the end of July. P.S. I swapped players for these rips so some of the wow and flutter problems in the 1979FF may be eliminated. P.P.S. Just before I sent this I checked the Festive Fifty Lists on various sites including the BBC. These show Siouxsie as No 50, but my tape and written records definitely show Poco as No 50. Unfortunately the only bit of voice over I have is Peel referring to Poco being No. 11 the previous year without saying where it is in 1978. But I don't think I screwed this up as introducing Bob Dylan (No 46 in 1978) he also refers back to 1976 as the 'previous chart'. So which is it, Poco or Siouxsie..... John Bravin >>>saipanda wrote: > > Hi John, > > Your talk of FF78 and pre-76 shows is extremely tantalizing. If you > have the time, it would be brilliant if you could follow up FF79 by > making these available too. > > And of course any other vintage Peel shows you have lurking around in > your treasure > trove... > > Yours in hope, > > Steve W > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Wed Jul 9 03:13:22 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:13:22 -0000 Subject: 1978 Festive Fifty In-Reply-To: <4873ED1F.4020901@...> Message-ID: Dear John I truly appreciate the effort you went to in uploading the files, but the links point to the 1979 FF!! Yours in breathless anticipation Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Glad to share another one of these early Festive Fifties with you. This > one is 1978 with its mix of 'traditional' and 'new wave'. > > Again quality offered 'as is' complete with editing etc. Each Part is 1 > hour long. > > My personal favourites are Madam George by Van Morrison (seeing him in a > few weeks in the UK) and Rose of Cimarron by Poco. Peel once said of > early Pink Floyd (around the Meddle time) that whatever mood he starts > off in, listening to the extended Pink Floyd tracks always leaves him > feeling relaxed. That's what R of C does for me (particularly the hint > of a banjo ending), although lyrically you have to say it's complete > tosh. And I also like the guitar in Shot by Both Sides. > > Sorry the file names weren't made more meaningful before I uploaded > them, but there is something authentic about leaving the files as Tape > 074A & B. > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 > > After this I am on the road again, but I have been busily ripping some > more early shows so watch this space around the end of July. > > P.S. I swapped players for these rips so some of the wow and flutter > problems in the 1979FF may be eliminated. > > P.P.S. Just before I sent this I checked the Festive Fifty Lists on > various sites including the BBC. These show Siouxsie > as No > 50, but my tape and written records definitely show Poco as No 50. > Unfortunately the only bit of voice over I have is Peel referring to > Poco being No. 11 the previous year without saying where it is in 1978. > But I don't think I screwed this up as introducing Bob Dylan (No 46 in > 1978) he also refers back to 1976 as the 'previous chart'. So which is > it, Poco or Siouxsie..... > > John Bravin > > >>>saipanda wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > Your talk of FF78 and pre-76 shows is extremely tantalizing. If you > > have the time, it would be brilliant if you could follow up FF79 by > > making these available too. > > > > And of course any other vintage Peel shows you have lurking around in > > your treasure > > trove... > > > > Yours in hope, > > > > Steve W > > > > > From eddie.duffy@... Wed Jul 9 08:02:41 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:02:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 Festive Fifty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48745481.2060801@...> Many thanks for all your efforts, John. I'm not generally a fan of the 'all-time' F50s, but these catch the Peel show in a fascinating transitional period. This particular chart, coming a couple of weeks after the punk rock special, remind us that the old guard didn't get dropped overnight (at least not by the listeners). I look forward to hearing any more shows you might have from this era. Steve - it is an odd one: the links do indeed point to the '79 files. However, the text in the links is actually correct. So it just needs a bit of cut and pasting: Part 1: http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 Part 2: http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 Eddie. Steve wrote: > > Dear John > > I truly appreciate the effort you went to in uploading the files, but > the links point to the 1979 FF!! > Yours in breathless anticipation > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , John > Bravin wrote: > > > > Glad to share another one of these early Festive Fifties with you. > This > > one is 1978 with its mix of 'traditional' and 'new wave'. > > > > Again quality offered 'as is' complete with editing etc. Each Part > is 1 > > hour long. > > > > My personal favourites are Madam George by Van Morrison (seeing him > in a > > few weeks in the UK) and Rose of Cimarron by Poco. Peel once said > of > > early Pink Floyd (around the Meddle time) that whatever mood he > starts > > off in, listening to the extended Pink Floyd tracks always leaves > him > > feeling relaxed. That's what R of C does for me (particularly the > hint > > of a banjo ending), although lyrically you have to say it's > complete > > tosh. And I also like the guitar in Shot by Both Sides. > > > > Sorry the file names weren't made more meaningful before I uploaded > > them, but there is something authentic about leaving the files as > Tape > > 074A & B. > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 > > > > > After this I am on the road again, but I have been busily ripping > some > > more early shows so watch this space around the end of July. > > > > P.S. I swapped players for these rips so some of the wow and > flutter > > problems in the 1979FF may be eliminated. > > > > P.P.S. Just before I sent this I checked the Festive Fifty Lists on > > various sites including the BBC. These show Siouxsie > > > > as No > > 50, but my tape and written records definitely show Poco as No 50. > > Unfortunately the only bit of voice over I have is Peel referring > to > > Poco being No. 11 the previous year without saying where it is in > 1978. > > But I don't think I screwed this up as introducing Bob Dylan (No 46 > in > > 1978) he also refers back to 1976 as the 'previous chart'. So > which is > > it, Poco or Siouxsie..... > > > > John Bravin > > > > >>>saipanda wrote: > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > Your talk of FF78 and pre-76 shows is extremely tantalizing. If > you > > > have the time, it would be brilliant if you could follow up FF79 > by > > > making these available too. > > > > > > And of course any other vintage Peel shows you have lurking > around in > > > your treasure > > > trove... > > > > > > Yours in hope, > > > > > > Steve W > > > > > > > > > > From john.bravin@... Wed Jul 9 08:20:52 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:20:52 +0200 Subject: [peel] 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links In-Reply-To: <4873ED1F.4020901@...> References: <4873ED1F.4020901@...> Message-ID: <487458C4.6020709@...> http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 Sorry about the hyperlinks, sloppy editing on my part, as I named the link but forgot to paste the URL into the field. A kind of 'played at the wrong speed' moment! John From k.j.beech@... Wed Jul 9 08:32:01 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:32:01 -0000 Subject: anyone fancy a new show Message-ID: sorry it's been ages since i've posted Tape 10 Wednesday 13th October 1982 2 hrs 10:00 - 12:00 Associates / Icon AD Original Tape faulty at start. http://rapidshare.com/files/128126578/tape10side2.rar.html http://rapidshare.com/files/128131719/tape10side1_edit_version_.rar.html the original tape was faulty at the start kev From thebarguest@... Wed Jul 9 13:50:52 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:50:52 -0000 Subject: 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links In-Reply-To: <487458C4.6020709@...> Message-ID: Thanks John and Kevin for the latest tapes ! John, I think Tape_074A.mp3 is missing (duplicate 074B files) ? ......... --- In peel@...m, John Bravin wrote: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 > > Sorry about the hyperlinks, sloppy editing on my part, as I named the > link but forgot to paste the URL into the field. A kind of 'played at > the wrong speed' moment! > > John > From dunelm@... Wed Jul 9 19:58:15 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:58:15 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes Message-ID: Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978-to- 1984_W0QQitemZ380044473444QQcmdZViewItem? hash=item380044473444&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 From markbursa@... Wed Jul 9 20:58:23 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:58:23 EDT Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes Message-ID: Wow. Is it worth contacting the seller privately and making a "group" offer for these? If enough of us chipped in a reasonable amount (say 20 quid each?) he could end up with several hundred pounds for his charity - plus the tapes would be in a safe place, where they could be digitised/shared etc... What does everyone think? Mark >>Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.http://cgi.ebayhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebhtt_ (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978-to-) 1984_W0QQitemZ380041984_W0QQitemZ381984_W hash=item3800444734ha&_trksid=_trksid= Message-ID: Sounds like a plan to me! And many thanks again for the latest FF78 and the 1982 Associates session show. Just fantastic. On the former, JP runs through the list to that point at around 22 minutes of tape A (second half of the fifty) and seems like Poco doesn't actually make the final cut. Maybe he played the track just before the F50 or something. Is it me, or was there more than a hint of glee as he announced stuff like" down from #3 in 1976 to #47 this year," or something like that, for Bob Dylan and various others of the "old guard"? Same when he counts down the last few -- "and #9 two years ago was (whoever). This year..." Out with the old! Also seemed pretty happy with the 26 ot whatever changes in 1979. As someone else remarked, a real transitional period. Shame it all got to re-solidified again so quickly -- in many cases all the way to the millennium all-time 50. Cheers, Steve W PS Long may holy grails be like buses! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: > > > Wow. > > Is it worth contacting the seller privately and making a "group" offer for > these? If enough of us chipped in a reasonable amount (say 20 quid each?) he > could end up with several hundred pounds for his charity - plus the tapes would > be in a safe place, where they could be digitised/shared etc... > > What does everyone think? > > Mark > > > > > > > >>Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? > > _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.http://cgi.ebayhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebhtt_ > (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978-to-) > 1984_W0QQitemZ380041984_W0QQitemZ381984_W > hash=item3800444734ha&_trksid=_trksid= From k.j.beech@... Wed Jul 9 21:41:44 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:41:44 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the bidding started aready. i think we need a plan if we realy want them any ideas?? kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: > > > Wow. > > Is it worth contacting the seller privately and making a "group" offer for > these? If enough of us chipped in a reasonable amount (say 20 quid each?) he > could end up with several hundred pounds for his charity - plus the tapes would > be in a safe place, where they could be digitised/shared etc... > > What does everyone think? > > Mark > > > > > > > >>Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? > > _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.http://cgi.ebayhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebhtt_ > (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978- to-) > 1984_W0QQitemZ380041984_W0QQitemZ381984_W > hash=item3800444734ha&_trksid=_trksid= From markbursa@... Wed Jul 9 22:02:37 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:02:37 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes Message-ID: >>i think we need a plan if we realy want them any ideas??<< Who's prepared to chip in for a group bid? 20 people at £20 would give us £400. See how much is in the virtual pot, then put in a late snipe bid at the death to the maximum. This has worked before on another list I'm on - resulted in a very significant recording being saved and shared among a group of people. Mark From roger.carruthers@... Wed Jul 9 22:06:55 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:06:55 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strictly speaking, it¹s against eBay rules to make an offer privately, so the best we could do would be to nominate someone (or for someone to volunteer) to do the bidding, on the understanding that whatever the final price turned out to be, the rest of us would chip in an equal share. I would volunteer myself, but I¹m currently going through a very busy period at work followed by a well-earned holiday, so I wouldn¹t trust myself to be totally on the ball when it mattered (at 12.34 on the 18th, I will be staring wearily at the clock wishing it was 5.00) If someone were to take this on, I would suggest it be someone who¹s well eBay savvy, with a reliable fast connection and some rock-solid sniping software ­ I¹m convinced that 99% of winning bids these days are done this way. (I lost the last lot of Peel tapes to come up on eBay thanks to some crap software :-( ) Btw, I live close enough to Cheltenham to make the journey, if a courier was needed. Cheers Roger On 09/07/2008 19:58, "markbursa@..." wrote: > > > > Wow. > > Is it worth contacting the seller privately and making a "group" offer for > these? If enough of us chipped in a reasonable amount (say 20 quid each?) he > could end up with several hundred pounds for his charity - plus the tapes > would be in a safe place, where they could be digitised/shared etc... > > What does everyone think? > > Mark > > > > > >> >>>> >>Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978-to- >> 1984_W0QQitemZ380044473444QQcmdZViewItem? >> hash=item380044473444&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318<< >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From ken_garner@... Wed Jul 9 22:12:01 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:12:01 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have no idea how this ebay virtual jumble sale thing works, but count me in for £20. Is it possible for someone on behalf of this list to contact the seller and make a group offer offline? we might consider proposing that collectively the group would organise high quality digitisation and have the resources and data (and connections, via me) to then donate the collection catalogue, and any rarities or otherwise missing sessions themselves to the BBC Radio 1 archive. One or two of you helped in this way during the production phase of the book. It's just a suggestion, and we'd only do that after all the fun of the sharing has gone on. It would be nice to know what the audio quality is - probably ok, mostly... By the way, I do not have scripts here for christmas 78 shows so cannot help on the Poco mystery, but my best guess is as already suggested: you started your tape early John and that one was one of his favourites, which he often played BEFORE starting the actual countdown for the year... ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > the bidding started aready. > > i think we need a plan if we realy want them > > any ideas?? > > > kev > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@ wrote: > > > > > > Wow. > > > > Is it worth contacting the seller privately and making a "group" > offer for > > these? If enough of us chipped in a reasonable amount (say 20 quid > each?) he > > could end up with several hundred pounds for his charity - plus the > tapes would > > be in a safe place, where they could be digitised/shared etc... > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Does anyone here live near Cheltenham? > > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.http://cgi.http://cgi.ebayhttp://cgihttp://cgi.ebhtt_ > > > (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/John-Peel-programme-BBC-Radio-1-tapes-1978- > to-) > > 1984_W0QQitemZ380041984_W0QQitemZ381984_W > > hash=item3800444734ha&_trksid=_trksid= > > From markbursa@... Wed Jul 9 22:32:00 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:32:00 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes Message-ID: Ah, Mr Garner ;-) Given that on his auction blurb the seller clains to have tried to reach the BBC with no joy, I suspect he might be prepared to deal with the author of the John Peel sessions book.... A carefully worded letter saying who you are, plus the fact that you represent a group of charitable folk who are prepared to chip in to his chosen charity, and you are prepared to ultimately donate the tapes to the BBC after you've used them for research purposes, might get a positive response. A win-win, if you like. What we need tis to work out how many folk here are prepared to chip in £20. I'm in, as Duncan Ballantyne doesn't often say. Mark From belphegore@... Wed Jul 9 22:35:26 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:35:26 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: <1a3.2f3c46c7.2f645c63@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > Of course Peel had probably forgotten them too as he was always more > interested in that pile of unheard stuff! > Rocker He played them several times between 1995 and 1999 and he also played Little Johnny Jewel (Television cover)from the b-side of the their last single Remote Control from 1999. At least on BFBS (British Forces Broadcating Service)Germany. So I assume he did it also on BBC ;) From thebarguest@... Wed Jul 9 23:03:20 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:03:20 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Count me in for 20 quid - a bargain, the best I ever ...... Audio quality is not stated and is very subjective of course. Surely they're FM. Anything like Kev's tapes from 1982 would be excellent. A question to the vendor may get some info. If we don't win (could be against a reclusive rich Peelite) then it could be poss to contact the winner and suggest a share/swap etc. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: > > Ah, Mr Garner ;-) > > Given that on his auction blurb the seller clains to have tried to reach the > BBC with no joy, I suspect he might be prepared to deal with the author of > the John Peel sessions book.... > > A carefully worded letter saying who you are, plus the fact that you > represent a group of charitable folk who are prepared to chip in to his chosen > charity, and you are prepared to ultimately donate the tapes to the BBC after > you've used them for research purposes, might get a positive response. > > A win-win, if you like. > > What we need tis to work out how many folk here are prepared to chip in £20. > > I'm in, as Duncan Ballantyne doesn't often say. > > Mark > From markbursa@... Wed Jul 9 23:06:16 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:06:16 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes Message-ID: I make that £80 already Me Ken Garner Thebarguest Rger Carruthers From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Wed Jul 9 23:09:30 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (stephen phythian) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:09:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <721029.18667.qm@...> I hate to change the subject cos I know everybody's very excited about the tapes, but is there any news on the corrected 074A link yet? thanks spp --- On Wed, 9/7/08, thebarguest wrote: From: thebarguest Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:50 PM Thanks John and Kevin for the latest tapes ! John, I think Tape_074A.mp3 is missing (duplicate 074B files) ? ......... --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, John Bravin wrote: > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 128227259/ Tape_074B. mp3 > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 128227259/ Tape_074B. mp3 > > Sorry about the hyperlinks, sloppy editing on my part, as I named the > link but forgot to paste the URL into the field. A kind of 'played at > the wrong speed' moment! > > John > __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From i50bar@... Wed Jul 9 23:17:02 2008 From: i50bar@... (Mark Webb) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:17:02 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes References: Message-ID: <00a501c8e209$22033e00$f7765651@mark8225c28340> I'll throw £20 in no problem ----- Original Message ----- From: markbursa@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes I make that £80 already Me Ken Garner Thebarguest Rger Carruthers From david.groves@... Wed Jul 9 23:31:07 2008 From: david.groves@... (David Groves) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:31:07 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: <00a501c8e209$22033e00$f7765651@mark8225c28340> References: <00a501c8e209$22033e00$f7765651@mark8225c28340> Message-ID: <002f01c8e20b$195fb740$4c1f25c0$@groves@...> Me too – 20 quid (or WTF it is in euro!) From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Webb Sent: mercoledì 9 luglio 2008 23.17 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes I'll throw £20 in no problem ----- Original Message ----- From: markbursa@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes I make that £80 already Me Ken Garner Thebarguest Rger Carruthers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robfleay@... Wed Jul 9 23:41:06 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:41:06 +0000 Subject: 1976 Message-ID: <20080709214556.HFET8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Here's a weird one - I just finished a lengthy but enjoyable cataloguing exercise of my entire collection of vinyl & CD's. It ends up just under 1300 artefacts by about 500 different artists, collected since I started buying music seriously in about 1986. There isn't a single piece of music in my collection from 1976? It's the only year unrepresented in between 1968 and 2008. Am I missing anything good, or was it really such a bad year? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From dunelm@... Wed Jul 9 23:45:31 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:45:31 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes Message-ID: Count me in for £20, or whatever it takes really. We just need someone to volunteer to take charge of things so we can send him our cheques pronto. Someone known to all the group, trusted by all of us, possibly a lecturer at a Scottish university with time on his hands because he doesn't have a book coming out this year. If only we knew someone like that. By the way Ken, I was pleased to see the book get a decent review in this month's Mojo, albeit belatedly. From rockerq@... Thu Jul 10 00:12:30 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:12:30 EDT Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes Message-ID: I work in Cheltenham & could easily make the pick-up! Put me down for 20 quid or more if necessary!! This looks like a goldmine! Ken, if you would not be happy about bidding on our behalf, I am happy to bid up to 200 quid or so - after all if no-one came through with the money I could keep the tapes! ;-) Cheers! Rocker PS I fly off on holiday Friday lunchtime, returning Weds 16th lunchtime - so may not be online during that time - unsure if my hotel has internet access for guests - that's still 2 days before the end of the auction, so we should have some idea of how it's going by then! From dunelm@... Thu Jul 10 00:46:40 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:46:40 -0000 Subject: 1976 In-Reply-To: <20080709214556.HFET8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Lee Scratch Perry's Super Ape and Bunny Wailer's Blackheart Man. Bowie's Station To Station and Eno's Another Green World. Ivor Cutler's Jammy Smears. Dr Feelgood's live Stupidity LP is great fun. The Modern Lovers finally released their 1972 recordings in 1976. The first Ramones LP of course. Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key Of Life. LPs by Joan Armatrading, Kate & Anna McGarrigle and Graham Parker. And I still swear by the Sadista Sisters LP! Just one word of advice: let not "I just finished a lengthy but enjoyable cataloguing exercise of my entire collection of vinyl & CD's" be your chat up line next time you're out on the pull. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: Here's a weird one - I just finished a lengthy but enjoyable cataloguing exercise of my entire collection of vinyl & CD's. It ends up just under 1300 artefacts by about 500 different artists, collected since I started buying music seriously in about 1986. There isn't a single piece of music in my collection from 1976? It's the only year unrepresented in between 1968 and 2008. Am I missing anything good . . . ? From eddie.duffy@... Thu Jul 10 00:48:21 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:48:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links Message-ID: <55789.217.43.229.253.1215643701.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@217.43.229.253> As I already posted earlier on today, the correct links are below. Coincidentally, I'd already bookmarked that auction, having only started using eBay again recently. Count me in for �20 or so. But some poor sod has one hell of a job ahead of them encoding all these. Assuming they're mostly C-90s, that's 400 x 90 minutes = 25 days just to play all the tapes through -- let alone ripping, encoding, performing any necessary audio edits and dating them. Part 1: http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 Part 2: http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 Eddie. stephen phythian wrote: > > I hate to change the subject cos I know everybody's very excited about the tapes, but is there any news on the corrected 074A link yet? > > thanks > > spp > > --- On Wed, 9/7/08, thebarguest wrote: > > From: thebarguest > Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 Festive Fifty with corrected links > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 12:50 PM > > Thanks John and Kevin for the latest tapes ! > > John, I think Tape_074A.mp3 is missing (duplicate > 074B files) ? ......... > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, John Bravin wrote: > > > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 128227259/ Tape_074B. mp3 > > > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 128227259/ Tape_074B. mp3 > > > > Sorry about the hyperlinks, sloppy editing on my part, as I named the > > link but forgot to paste the URL into the field. A kind of 'played > at > > the wrong speed' moment! > > > > John > > > > > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! > From postscriptxyz@... Thu Jul 10 03:46:22 2008 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:46:22 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: <002f01c8e20b$195fb740$4c1f25c0$@groves@...> Message-ID: Count me in for GBP20 Pad --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "David Groves" wrote: > > Me too – 20 quid (or WTF it is in euro!) > > > > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Webb > Sent: mercoledì 9 luglio 2008 23.17 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes > > > > I'll throw £20 in no problem > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: markbursa@... > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes > > > > I make that £80 already > > > > Me > > Ken Garner > > Thebarguest > > Rger Carruthers > From keith.muir@... Thu Jul 10 06:02:02 2008 From: keith.muir@... (keith.muir@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 5:02:02 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes Message-ID: <20080710040231.NQMV16854.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Also happy to chip in. Keith ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Thu Jul 10 06:48:26 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:48:26 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And me too for 20 quid or my share of whatever it works out in the end. Hope that with Ken on board to make a group proposal and Rocker on hand for the pickup, our chances should be decent. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > I work in Cheltenham & could easily make the pick-up! > > Put me down for 20 quid or more if necessary!! This looks like a goldmine! > > Ken, if you would not be happy about bidding on our behalf, I am happy to bid > up to 200 quid or so - after all if no-one came through with the money I > could keep the tapes! ;-) > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > PS I fly off on holiday Friday lunchtime, returning Weds 16th lunchtime - so > may not be online during that time - unsure if my hotel has internet access > for guests - that's still 2 days before the end of the auction, so we should > have some idea of how it's going by then! > From k.j.beech@... Thu Jul 10 07:32:33 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:32:33 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: everyone, what about some using a paypal acount. the person collecting the cash could keep all the moneys in waiting (or pending) we just must remember paypal will take there cut so we all might have to put £22 in etc... by the way when (not if )we get them i'm up for converting them to mp3 flac or even good old cd's kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > And me too for 20 quid or my share of whatever it works out in the end. > > Hope that with Ken on board to make a group proposal and Rocker on hand for the > pickup, our chances should be decent. > > Steve W > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > I work in Cheltenham & could easily make the pick-up! > > > > Put me down for 20 quid or more if necessary!! This looks like a goldmine! > > > > Ken, if you would not be happy about bidding on our behalf, I am happy to bid > > up to 200 quid or so - after all if no-one came through with the money I > > could keep the tapes! ;-) > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > > > PS I fly off on holiday Friday lunchtime, returning Weds 16th lunchtime - so > > may not be online during that time - unsure if my hotel has internet access > > for guests - that's still 2 days before the end of the auction, so we should > > have some idea of how it's going by then! > > > From philip.gh@... Thu Jul 10 07:57:25 2008 From: philip.gh@... (phil) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:57:25 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Same here, I'd also chip in with whatever is required Phil From paul@... Thu Jul 10 09:14:19 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > end> > > Same here, I'd also chip in with whatever is required You can add me as well - 20 quid or so. Paul Webster From deedeeramain@... Thu Jul 10 10:08:06 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:08:06 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: Chaps - I'm a regular Ebay user with Auction Sentry as my sniping tool. I have a PayPal account and the stuff I buy goes to my parents address (I'm living in Saudi Arabia). I'll bid for these tapes (unless someone tells me not to because there are alternate plans). We can sort out the contributions and collection details if I'm successful. I'd be happy to see these tapes in safe hands and converted to FLAC to keep the purists happy and ensure they are in wide distribution. What do you think? Is that a plan? DeeDee From markonnewsgroups@... Thu Jul 10 10:16:13 2008 From: markonnewsgroups@... (markonnewsgroups) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:16:13 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Webster" wrote: > > > > end> > > > > Same here, I'd also chip in with whatever is required > > You can add me as well - 20 quid or so. > > Paul Webster And I'll delurk to add me too, for £20 or so. While I'm on, I have to say many thanks for all the wonderful stuff that people have contributed, pieces and programmes which I never thought I'd hear again. Many thanks, guys! [And, um, would anyone by any chance have the 1984 Nick Cave & TBS session?] Mark, UK. From rockerq@... Thu Jul 10 10:59:26 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:59:26 EDT Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: Sound good to me, Deedee! Am happy to do the pick-up. We now need volunteers to do the ripping! Cheers! Rocker > < > I have a PayPal account and the stuff I buy goes to my parents address > (I'm living in Saudi Arabia). > > I'll bid for these tapes (unless someone tells me not to because there > are alternate plans). > > We can sort out the contributions and collection details if I'm > successful. > > I'd be happy to see these tapes in safe hands and converted to FLAC to > keep the purists happy and ensure they are in wide distribution. > > What do you think? Is that a plan? > > DeeDee>> From postscriptxyz@... Thu Jul 10 11:47:04 2008 From: postscriptxyz@... (postscriptxyz) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:47:04 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Nick Cave session was played on Wednesday by Marc Riley on Radio 6. It's available via Listen Again (for a week) at 65kbps .... unless someone has a better source of course. Pad --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "markonnewsgroups" wrote: > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Webster" wrote: > > > > > > > end> > > > > > > Same here, I'd also chip in with whatever is required > > > > You can add me as well - 20 quid or so. > > > > Paul Webster > > > And I'll delurk to add me too, for £20 or so. > > > While I'm on, I have to say many thanks for all the wonderful stuff > that people have contributed, pieces and programmes which I never > thought I'd hear again. Many thanks, guys! [And, um, would anyone by > any chance have the 1984 Nick Cave & TBS session?] > > Mark, UK. > From grafpoo@... Thu Jul 10 11:57:09 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:57:09 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From 1bob_hall@... Thu Jul 10 12:41:50 2008 From: 1bob_hall@... (ROBERT HALL) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:41:50 -0500 Subject: Peel Tapes Message-ID: Count me in for 20 quid also Robert From so_it_goes_2512@... Thu Jul 10 15:17:19 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:17:19 -0000 Subject: Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds Peel Session 1984-03-28 Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Here's the session recorded today: it came out superbly, so don't let the 65 kbps stream speed put you off! http://www.divshare.com/download/4916681-77c Best wishes Steve [the currently resting Teenage Kicks] From k.j.beech@... Thu Jul 10 16:13:03 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:13:03 -0000 Subject: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: i able to collect everyones £20 via my paypal acount if everyones happy with it... let me know how you feel about this please remember that paypal charge about £1 in commission for every £20 KEV From dbarrell@... Thu Jul 10 16:33:22 2008 From: dbarrell@... (Daniel Barrell) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:33:22 +0100 Subject: [peel] peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48761DB2.4020009@...> I didn't start listening til '86 but I pledge 20. From guyanthonybrown@... Thu Jul 10 17:45:47 2008 From: guyanthonybrown@... (GuyAnthonyBrown) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:45:47 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes Message-ID: I'm in for 20 quid. GUY From r.fewster@... Thu Jul 10 18:31:09 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:31:09 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0807100931t67c965e6y4a950026ba94e990@...> From thebarguest@... Thu Jul 10 21:37:12 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:37:12 -0000 Subject: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds OK. Thanks Kev ! And Rocker ! A few points : Should every donor put 21 GBP into the paypal account (to cover the commission) ? Would/could each donor be paid back the amount that's not used to buy the tapes ? Again, via Paypal presumably. Looks like so far we have several hundred pounds plegded ! I'm OK for Kev to do the ripping (although I would prefer 192 to 128 for mp3) but if that would be too slow and we need volunteers, then there need to be guidelines/rules to avoid tech mistakes like clipping (distortion)....... I could certainly rip some tapes myself ! And upload to a torrent site or Rapishare etc. But then there is the possibility of tapes getting "lost in the post", 'oh shit' as Buzzcocks said ! Maybe we shouldn't (like the Ebay vendor) risk these priceless items in the post - the rippers could live near the pickup point - the Cheltenham Rippers !! That would rule me out. Finally, you'd better give us a link to your Paypal a/c ! ps : - The charity (wildlife) is fine but I would have chosen a human-related one myself - there's a lot of hunger in the world. Once there's no baby dying of starvation in Africa then we can worry about polar bears............ --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > i able to collect everyones £20 via my paypal acount if everyones happy > with it... > > let me know how you feel about this > > please remember that paypal charge about £1 in commission for every £20 > > KEV > From roger.carruthers@... Thu Jul 10 21:55:22 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:55:22 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Happy to be a ripper (& donor of course). I have access to quality equipment and a zippy network, just wont be able to do much until the end of Aug - but then with 400-odd tapes, it¹s not exactly going to be an overnight job, and the more we can get on ripping duty, the better, Cheers Roger On 10/07/2008 09:59, "rockerq@..." wrote: > > > > Sound good to me, Deedee! Am happy to do the pick-up. > > We now need volunteers to do the ripping! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I have a PayPal account and the stuff I buy goes to my parents address > (I'm living in Saudi Arabia). > > I'll bid for these tapes (unless someone tells me not to because there > are alternate plans). > > We can sort out the contributions and collection details if I'm > successful. > > I'd be happy to see these tapes in safe hands and converted to FLAC to > keep the purists happy and ensure they are in wide distribution. > > What do you think? Is that a plan? > > DeeDee>> > > From hubcity@... Thu Jul 10 22:30:06 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:30:06 -0400 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080710202908.M30468@...> All, Well, if you think about it, Peel only did the shows at a rate of a few a week...no reason why all this has to happen overnight, because it didn't originally... -Sean � (feeling non-promotional, myself.) On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:55:22 +0100, Roger Carruthers wrote > Happy to be a ripper (& donor of course). I have access to quality equipment and a zippy network, just wont be able to do much until the end of Aug �- �but then with 400-odd tapes, it�s not exactly going to be an overnight job, �and the more we can get on ripping duty, the better, > Cheers > Roger > > On 10/07/2008 09:59, "rockerq@..." wrote: > > > � > > Sound good to me, Deedee! Am happy to do the pick-up. > > We now need volunteers to do the ripping! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > < > I have a PayPal account and the stuff I buy goes to my parents address > (I'm living in Saudi Arabia). > > I'll bid for these tapes (unless someone tells me not to because there > are alternate plans). > > We can sort out the contributions and collection details if I'm > successful. > > I'd be happy to see these tapes in safe hands and converted to FLAC to > keep the purists happy and ensure they are in wide distribution. > > What do you think? Is that a plan? > > DeeDee>> �� > > ���� > From markbursa@... Thu Jul 10 22:34:55 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:34:55 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: OK, currently up to 21 contributors - at £21 each that's £441 so far. We have two options: Approach the seller (ideally through Ken Garner) and offer a £420 donation (or however much we get) to charity in return for the tapes, with the intention of offering them to the BBC (if they want them) after we've digitised them Snipe the auction at the death for the maximum amount in the kitty, and either return the surplus to the donors or keep it as a "fighting fund" for any future similar instance. Personally I'd prefer the direct approach - would depend on Ken though, as I suspect the would prefer the tapes to go to the right place. Donors so far: Mark Bursa Ken Garner Thebarguest Roger Carruthers Richard Fewster Guyanthonybrown DBarrell Kev Beech Robert Hall _grafpoo@..._ (mailto:grafpoo@...) _postcriptxyz@..._ (mailto:postcriptxyz@....uk) Rockerq Dee Dee Remain _markonnewsgroups@..._ (mailto:markonnewsgroups@...) Paul Webster _philip.gh@..._ (mailto:philip.gh@...) _saipanda@..._ (mailto:saipanda@...) Keith Muir _dunelm@..._ (mailto:dunelm@...) David Groves _i50bar@dsl.pipex.com_ (mailto:i50bar@...) From roger.carruthers@... Thu Jul 10 22:59:21 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:59:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have a good read of this page before making any offers: http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html The seller has a lot of good feedback, so he/she might be wary of blotting his copybook by acting outside of ebay¹s rules. I¹m no expert, but this paragraph looks like our best hope: ³It is acceptable for sellers to end a listing early to sell an item at the current bid price to the high bidder. Bidders are permitted to contact sellers with requests to end a listing early; however, sellers are under no obligation to do so.² If not, then I guess it¹s plan b ... Cheers Roger On 10/07/2008 21:34, "markbursa@..." wrote: > > > > OK, currently up to 21 contributors - at £21 each that's £441 so far. > > We have two options: > > Approach the seller (ideally through Ken Garner) and offer a £420 donation (or > however much we get) to charity in return for the tapes, with the intention of > offering them to the BBC (if they want them) after we've digitised them > > Snipe the auction at the death for the maximum amount in the kitty, and either > return the surplus to the donors or keep it as a "fighting fund" for any > future similar instance. > > Personally I'd prefer the direct approach - would depend on Ken though, as I > suspect the would prefer the tapes to go to the right place. > > Donors so far: > > Mark Bursa > Ken Garner > Thebarguest > Roger Carruthers > Richard Fewster > Guyanthonybrown > DBarrell > Kev Beech > Robert Hall > grafpoo@... > postcriptxyz@....uk > Rockerq > Dee Dee Remain > markonnewsgroups@... > Paul Webster > philip.gh@... > saipanda@... > Keith Muir > dunelm@...t > David Groves > i50bar@... > > > From hubcity@... Thu Jul 10 23:16:41 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:16:41 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080710211525.M51285@...> All, I'd like to be in on this as well - put me in for the GBP21.00... -Sean Carolan On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:59:21 +0100, Roger Carruthers wrote > Have a good read of this page before making any offers: > http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html > The seller has a lot of good feedback, so he/she might be wary of blotting his copybook by acting outside of ebay�s rules. > I�m no expert, but this paragraph looks like our best hope: > �It is acceptable for sellers to end a listing early to sell an item at the current bid price to the high bidder. Bidders are permitted to contact sellers with requests to end a listing early; however, sellers are under no obligation to do so.� > �If not, then I guess it�s plan b ... > Cheers > Roger > � > > On 10/07/2008 21:34, "markbursa@..." wrote: > > > � > > OK, currently up to 21 contributors - at �21 each that's �441 so far. > � > We have two options: > � > Approach the seller (ideally through Ken Garner) and offer a �420 donation (or however much we get) to charity in return for the tapes, with the intention of offering them to the BBC (if they want them) after we've digitised them > � > Snipe the auction at the death for the maximum amount in the kitty, and either return the surplus to the donors or keep it as a "fighting fund" for any future similar instance. > � > Personally I'd prefer the direct approach - would depend on Ken though, as I suspect the would prefer the tapes to go to the right place. > � > Donors so far: > � > Mark Bursa > Ken Garner > Thebarguest > Roger Carruthers > Richard Fewster > Guyanthonybrown > DBarrell > Kev Beech > Robert Hall > grafpoo@... > postcriptxyz@... > Rockerq > Dee Dee Remain > markonnewsgroups@... > Paul Webster > philip.gh@... > saipanda@... > Keith Muir > dunelm@... > David Groves > i50bar@... > �� > � > ���� > From markbursa@... Thu Jul 10 23:30:12 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:30:12 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: Roger It's not really a problem - a lot of car sellers put their cars on ebay but also advertise them elsewhere - so auctions often end early. And our seller does say that returning the tapes to Sheila is his preferred option. Mark >>Have a good read of this page before making any offers: _http://pages.http://pagehttp://pages.http://pahttp://pahttp://pa_ (http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html) The seller has a lot of good feedback, so he/she might be wary of blotting his copybook by acting outside of ebay’s rules.<< From rockerq@... Fri Jul 11 00:05:17 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:05:17 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: It's not in his interest to end the auction early - cos someone may bid higher at the last minute (isn't that the idea of those snipe software things?). Also it's not in our interest to offer him 400 quid outside ebay, since we may get it for 50! I vote we put in an eBay bid up to the max pledged, and watch and wait. Rocker From ken_garner@... Fri Jul 11 00:46:38 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:46:38 -0000 Subject: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok, folks, back after a very long day at work failing students (only joking) and trying to clear the decks before holiday from Sunday, let me sum up where we are. What a wonderful day of activity to come home to online... 1. we all pay dee dee £21 via paypal that he will set up and tell us what to do. We can sort it all out later 2. I email the seller, introducing myself and saying i have been asked to represent the largest peel listener group community on the web, which was instrumental in assisting with my book etc blah blah (yes it was nice to get Paul 's belated review in Mojo. I also got a good one last month on pop matters website in US, i think). 3. Our proposal is to offer to buy the tapes for a decent price - via one of our number named dee dee who will also introduce himself to you - and make the donation to his preferred website - or perhaps jointly to that and John's favourite charities (Salvation Army and Amnesty INternational). 4. We would collectively over the next 12 months catalogue, digitise, and review the tapes' contents, and once this process is complete, present the catalogue and whatever the collection contains that is missing from the Radio 1 official archive (whether complete or near complete shows or individual sessions / session tracks) to the radio 1 archivist Hannah Brana Martin in digital form, whom I am in regular contact with. I also know Sheila and the family well and will offer them the original tapes at the end of the process, although I suspect sheila will say she has quite enough cassettes in the house already, thank you very much. 5. we respectfully suggest that if the seller is intereted in preserving decently John's legacy, we are the people to sell to After I've done that I will have to back out of the selling and collecting etc because I am off abroad for the Scottish academic's summer break and have no intention whatsoever of looking at email for at least a month. After I spent half of last year's holiday in Switzerland sitting in an internet cafe on the shores of lake geneva tapping out the last 2 chapters against the clock while my wife and daughter frolicked in the pool, Magda will accept nothing less! cheers ken PS. check out our new course, my (additional) day job is now running this, having written it: http://www.caledonian.ac.uk/cbs/postgraduate/mamj/index.html --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > It's not in his interest to end the auction early - cos someone may bid > higher at the last minute (isn't that the idea of those snipe software things?). > > Also it's not in our interest to offer him 400 quid outside ebay, since we > may get it for 50! > > I vote we put in an eBay bid up to the max pledged, and watch and wait. > > Rocker > From festive50@... Fri Jul 11 01:04:51 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:04:51 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bid_-_=A320_-_=A350?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From festive50@... Fri Jul 11 01:06:39 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:06:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm in for �20 up to a Max of �50 As the clock is ticking away, can we draw up a plan (not a cunning plan however). 1) There may be people here who wish to contribute but through circumstances beyond their control (I was in that position recently, when my job was at risk). Therefore all contributions welcome. However the tapes go to a member renowned for reliably digitising and sharing. That's not a hint for moi to be the lucky recipient for this "motherlode". As my current P.C. is buggered and the server I ran (where about 200 gb was downloaded of JP stuff), is now f****ed and needs a total rebuild. 2) In order for a quick tally of monies available for the final bid. All members willing to donate to re-post a min and max amount in a standardised form. ie. delete all of subject header and in the subject header type in the exact format "Bid - �Min - �Max". No need to type anything else. We then just sort our e-mails on subject and get a tally at a glance. eg. my Bid Bid - �20 - �50 I'll post my bid to start the ball rolling. 3) Decide on a comprehensive method of sharing. Some of these sharing sites seem a bit exlusive. The ideal way to share is a file server in the vein of the one I ran. It's really quite easy. Mine was just a crap old P.C. I was given. I just installed Black Moon FTP server on it and left the P.C. running (barring power cuts) for 4 years. Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of GuyAnthonyBrown Sent: 10 July 2008 16:46 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes I'm in for 20 quid. GUY From rockerq@... Fri Jul 11 01:26:38 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:26:38 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?[peel]=20Bid=20-=20=A320=20-=20=A350?= Message-ID: From markbursa@... Fri Jul 11 01:44:26 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:44:26 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: >>Also it's not in our interest to offer him 400 quid outside ebay, since we may get it for 50!<< Doesn't matter though, does it. It'll cost us each £20, which for 400 tapes of the Peel Show from 1978-82 is something of a bargain at 20p per tape! And the money is going to charity, which seems to be in the spirit of the exercise. If we get it for less we'll have each saved a few quid. Big deal. As Ken's happy to do the introductions and drop the right names, let's go with it and keep an Esnipe plan B up our sleeves - there's still 7 days to run on the auction. Cheers, Mark From markbursa@... Fri Jul 11 01:47:43 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:47:43 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: Ken, Sounds just about perfect to me - let's keep it simple and do the deal... Perhaps insert a caveat regarding the quality of the tapes? Presumably they're FM recordings on decent equipment.... Cheers Mark >>ok, folks, back after a very long day at work failing students (only joking) and trying to clear the decks before holiday from Sunday, let me sum up where we are. What a wonderful day of activity to come home to online... 1. we all pay dee dee £21 via paypal that he will set up and tell us what to do. We can sort it all out later 2. I email the seller, introducing myself and saying i have been asked to represent the largest peel listener group community on the web, which was instrumental in assisting with my book etc blah blah (yes it was nice to get Paul 's belated review in Mojo. I also got a good one last month on pop matters website in US, i think). 3. Our proposal is to offer to buy the tapes for a decent price - via one of our number named dee dee who will also introduce himself to you - and make the donation to his preferred website - or perhaps jointly to that and John's favourite charities (Salvation Army and Amnesty INternational)a 4. We would collectively over the next 12 months catalogue, digitise, and review the tapes' contents, and once this process is complete, present the catalogue and whatever the collection contains that is missing from the Radio 1 official archive (whether complete or near complete shows or individual sessions / session tracks) to the radio 1 archivist Hannah Brana Martin in digital form, whom I am in regular contact with. I also know Sheila and the family well and will offer them the original tapes at the end of the process, although I suspect sheila will say she has quite enough cassettes in the house already, thank you very much. 5. we respectfully suggest that if the seller is intereted in preserving decently John's legacy, we are the people to sell to After I've done that I will have to back out of the selling and collecting etc because I am off abroad for the Scottish academic's summer break and have no intention whatsoever of looking at email for at least a month. After I spent half of last year's holiday in Switzerland sitting in an internet cafe on the shores of lake geneva tapping out the last 2 chapters against the clock while my wife and daughter frolicked in the pool, Magda will accept nothing less! cheers ken PS. check out our new course, my (additional) day job is now running this, having written it:<< From michstoecker@... Fri Jul 11 04:34:10 2008 From: michstoecker@... (michael stoecker) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:34:10 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bid_-_=A320_-_=A350?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just stumbled back to my email to find the carnivorous activity going on. Count me in for a donation to the pot. Michael Stoecker To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: festive50@... Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:04:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Bid - £20 - £50 From rlawson@... Fri Jul 11 05:27:38 2008 From: rlawson@... (rlawson) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:27:38 +0800 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal References: Message-ID: <00e001c8e306$11d352b0$2208a8c0@LENOVO20B93CD7> I think this is an excellent project and despite being in Hong Kong pls count me in....whether for 20 pounds or 50 pounds. cheers Rob Lawson ----- Original Message ----- From: ken garner To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:46 AM Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal ok, folks, back after a very long day at work failing students (only joking) and trying to clear the decks before holiday from Sunday, let me sum up where we are. What a wonderful day of activity to come home to online... 1. we all pay dee dee £21 via paypal that he will set up and tell us what to do. We can sort it all out later 2. I email the seller, introducing myself and saying i have been asked to represent the largest peel listener group community on the web, which was instrumental in assisting with my book etc blah blah (yes it was nice to get Paul 's belated review in Mojo. I also got a good one last month on pop matters website in US, i think). 3. Our proposal is to offer to buy the tapes for a decent price - via one of our number named dee dee who will also introduce himself to you - and make the donation to his preferred website - or perhaps jointly to that and John's favourite charities (Salvation Army and Amnesty INternational). 4. We would collectively over the next 12 months catalogue, digitise, and review the tapes' contents, and once this process is complete, present the catalogue and whatever the collection contains that is missing from the Radio 1 official archive (whether complete or near complete shows or individual sessions / session tracks) to the radio 1 archivist Hannah Brana Martin in digital form, whom I am in regular contact with. I also know Sheila and the family well and will offer them the original tapes at the end of the process, although I suspect sheila will say she has quite enough cassettes in the house already, thank you very much. 5. we respectfully suggest that if the seller is intereted in preserving decently John's legacy, we are the people to sell to After I've done that I will have to back out of the selling and collecting etc because I am off abroad for the Scottish academic's summer break and have no intention whatsoever of looking at email for at least a month. After I spent half of last year's holiday in Switzerland sitting in an internet cafe on the shores of lake geneva tapping out the last 2 chapters against the clock while my wife and daughter frolicked in the pool, Magda will accept nothing less! cheers ken PS. check out our new course, my (additional) day job is now running this, having written it: http://www.caledonian.ac.uk/cbs/postgraduate/mamj/index.html --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > It's not in his interest to end the auction early - cos someone may bid > higher at the last minute (isn't that the idea of those snipe software things?). > > Also it's not in our interest to offer him 400 quid outside ebay, since we > may get it for 50! > > I vote we put in an eBay bid up to the max pledged, and watch and wait. > > Rocker > From tb666xx@... Fri Jul 11 06:02:57 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: bid 20 quid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545536.99057.qm@...> kinda missed out on this as I have been away and deleted a million mails...but seems like theres a stock of peel tapes up for grabs..... I'm in.//// From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Jul 11 06:20:56 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:20:56 -0000 Subject: bid 20 quid In-Reply-To: <545536.99057.qm@...> Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Yes, despite being in South Korea, I think I can stump up W40,000...don't know how I'd get it to you, though. I've had 19 downloads for the Nick Cave session I put up yesterday, but nobody's mentioned it here... Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks wrote: > > kinda missed out on this as I have been away and deleted a million mails...but seems like theres a stock of peel tapes up for grabs..... I'm in.//// > From markonnewsgroups@... Fri Jul 11 09:21:15 2008 From: markonnewsgroups@... (markonnewsgroups) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:21:15 -0000 Subject: Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds Peel Session 1984-03-28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Here's the session recorded today: it came out superbly, so don't let > the 65 kbps stream speed put you off! > > http://www.divshare.com/download/4916681-77c > > Best wishes > > Steve [the currently resting Teenage Kicks] Ahh, thank you so much for that! Best - Mark, UK From pashley64@... Fri Jul 11 10:12:28 2008 From: pashley64@... (Paul Ashley) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: <460523.36631.qm@...> I'm in for £20 too. While I've got top Peelers attention - anyone got the following missing sessions AC/DC June 1976 ATV Dec 1977 Catherine Wheel Apr 1981 John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 Delgados All of them Desperate Bicycles Jul 1978 Howard Devoto Aug 1983 Icicle Works All of them Lurkers All of them Misty In Roots All of them PIL Dec 1979 Revillos Mar 1980/Apr 1981 Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 Rich Kids Oct 1977/Mar 1978 TRB Oc 1977 Smiths All of them Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 Stukas Jan 1978 Swell Maps Oct 1978 Vibrators All of them Vice Squad Jun 1981 XTC All of them Regards to all From robfleay@... Fri Jul 11 11:02:04 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 9:02:04 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Message-ID: <20080711091122.CACP8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Quite a lot of those have been officially released in some form or other, so i wouldn't call them "missing"! A few hours on Soulseek and you'll locate quite a few > While I've got top Peelers attention - anyone got the following missing sessions > AC/DC June 1976 > ATV Dec 1977 > Catherine Wheel Apr 1981 > John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 > Delgados All of them > Desperate Bicycles Jul 1978 > Howard Devoto Aug 1983 > Icicle Works All of them > Lurkers All of them > Misty In Roots All of them > PIL Dec 1979 > Revillos Mar 1980/Apr 1981 > Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 > Rich Kids Oct 1977/Mar 1978 > TRB Oc 1977 > Smiths All of them > Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 > Stukas Jan 1978 > Swell Maps Oct 1978 > Vibrators All of them > Vice Squad Jun 1981 > XTC All of them > > Regards to all > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From rayytann@... Fri Jul 11 11:37:42 2008 From: rayytann@... (jake) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:37:42 -0000 Subject: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > 1. we all pay dee dee £21 via paypal that he will set up and tell us what to do. We can sort > it all out later > This is my first post - just to say thanks to those who have uploaded some wonderful Peel shows and that I'd be very happy to donate £20-£50 to the kitty for these tapes.... Jake From huw.mann@... Fri Jul 11 11:38:03 2008 From: huw.mann@... (Huw Mann) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:38:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Cave Message-ID: <9879.11546.qm@...> Thanks for putting the Cave up! Thanks to all who are supplying us with bits: can hardly keep up! Huw __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Jul 11 12:02:38 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:02:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: <460523.36631.qm@...> References: <460523.36631.qm@...> Message-ID: I have: > AC/DC June 1976 (cassette master) > ATV Dec 1977 (partial mp2) > John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 (mp2) > Delgados All of them (one mp2 IIRC) > Lurkers All of them (one mp2) > Misty In Roots All of them (several cassette masters already converted to flac) > PIL Dec 1979 (one mp2, maybe this one) > Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 (possible one of these) > Smiths All of them (some? are released) > Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 (partial mp2?) > Vice Squad Jun 1981 (cassette master IIRC) > XTC All of them (one cassette master, also other partial mp2s IIRC) I also have some or possibly all of the Nick Cave 1984 session that was mentioned recently, as 6 Music / 160kbps mp2s (which is where all the above-mentioned mp2s are sourced from). What I don't have is time to work on these if they aren't very close to hand. I planned to share my off-air MIR recordings here alongside a couple of BBC6 Music mp2 broadcasts (which are 160kbps). Part of the concept there was to provide a comparison between reasonably well recorded off-air versions and the compressed digital versions that are becoming more common (indeed, will be the primary source of broadcast video and audio within just a few years). I'll try to do something about the MIR stuff over the weekend, but I can't promise anything. From roger.carruthers@... Fri Jul 11 12:32:06 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:32:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bid=20-=20=A320=20-=20=A350=20?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <629696.12066.qm@...> From deedeeramain@... Fri Jul 11 12:42:06 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:42:06 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: Chaps, I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on the day. I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can discuss money / collection / ripping etc. As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in case! Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! Fingers crossed! DeeDee From tomb242@... Fri Jul 11 12:50:38 2008 From: tomb242@... (Tom Bartlett) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:50:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48773AFE.7010602@...> Put me down for contributing money and helping in the ripping. Tom deedeeramain wrote: > > Chaps, > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > the day. > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > case! > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > Fingers crossed! > > DeeDee > > From ken_garner@... Fri Jul 11 13:02:16 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:02:16 -0000 Subject: message sent Message-ID: I've sent the following to the seller. No response as yet. I decided to keep it vague on the actual purchasing (bidding or whatever) to not offend protocol and give him room for maneouvre ken ~ Dear railway-rocks, HI, my name's ken Garner. I wrote the recent official history of the peel sessions (THE PEEL SESSIONS, BBC Books, 2007). I've been asked to represent the world's largest community of Peel listeners - the John Peel Group on Yahoo - to inform you about our bid and proposals for the collection. The group has over 500 members and at least 30 of us have already agreed to contribute to this project. We would propose to collectively catalogue, digitise and review the tapes over the next 2 years. Then we would make any missing material unearthed in the collection (eg session tracks, complete or fragmentary shows, important fragments of John talking, etc) available digitally to the official BBC Radio 1 archive - I am in contact with the Radio 1 & Maida Vale archists. We would then offer the original tapes to Sheila and the family. Can you tell us the tape(s) quality? For the donation, John's favourite charities wer Amnesty and the Salvation Army, by the way. Let me know what you think. - peellistener1960 From ken_garner@... Fri Jul 11 13:03:29 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:03:29 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DeeDee - i have no idea of the protocol or ethics of this - should I tell the seller you are our nominated bidder? k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps, > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > the day. > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > case! > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > Fingers crossed! > > DeeDee > From pashley64@... Fri Jul 11 13:41:29 2008 From: pashley64@... (Paul Ashley) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:41:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Nick Cave Message-ID: <716860.88819.qm@...> Nice one Steve - great download Regards From saipanda@... Fri Jul 11 14:00:42 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:00:42 -0000 Subject: message sent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for your message to the tape-seller, Ken. Looks to me like it presses all the right buttons. Fingers crossed for a good response. Failing any developments on that front, let's hope our bid wins in the actual auction -- cheers to DeeDee for stepping up on that and being our Paypal account guy. Kind of exciting, isn't it? Cheers, Steve W From lollygagger@... Fri Jul 11 20:59:33 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:59:33 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: <460523.36631.qm@...> References: <460523.36631.qm@...> Message-ID: <3F4FAA4D670340C093B3E38C570F09AA@LAPTOP> Its great that there is still a love for the John Peel shows. Is this retrospective appreciation? Is it for those not around in 1978? I was around then having just left school and listened to each of his shows keeping the best bits to tape since that time to 2004. The one value of listening to whole radio shows is being able to listen to Peely's dulcet tones again. For me his voice brings back memories of my more vigorous years. So is it nostalgia? It would be nice to keep that nostalgia alive. Regards Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ashley To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal I'm in for £20 too. While I've got top Peelers attention - anyone got the following missing sessions AC/DC June 1976 ATV Dec 1977 Catherine Wheel Apr 1981 John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 Delgados All of them Desperate Bicycles Jul 1978 Howard Devoto Aug 1983 Icicle Works All of them Lurkers All of them Misty In Roots All of them PIL Dec 1979 Revillos Mar 1980/Apr 1981 Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 Rich Kids Oct 1977/Mar 1978 TRB Oc 1977 Smiths All of them Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 Stukas Jan 1978 Swell Maps Oct 1978 Vibrators All of them Vice Squad Jun 1981 XTC All of them Regards to all ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1543 - Release Date: 09/07/2008 18:32 From hubcity@... Fri Jul 11 21:48:39 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:48:39 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: <3F4FAA4D670340C093B3E38C570F09AA@LAPTOP> References: <460523.36631.qm@...> <3F4FAA4D670340C093B3E38C570F09AA@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20080711193043.M8277@...> Gordon, I'd vote "retroactive appreciation". (See what I did there?) I've never heard any of those shows, but here in the states, as word of the music he featured rippled across the ocean, it would drive what the import stores would stock and what the DJ pools would service, and thus what we'd play over here; it would be nice to actually hear the original pebble hit the water, so to speak. When I finally got to hear Peel for myself (that is, when the BBC started streaming over the Internet, so quite late in the party) I understood what was so compelling about his presentation, and that's why I'd really like to hear as much of this as possible and with as much ephemera as possible - context is very helpful, even more so than the "packaged retrospective", in getting an idea of the impact a record made. After all, it's one thing to hear *about* how Peel first reacted to "Teenage Kicks"; it's quite another to actually hear him actually react to it when you haven't heard it before.� (Does that aircheck exist?) -Sean On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:59:33 +0100, lollygagger wrote > [UTF-8?] > Its great that there is still a love for the John Peel shows. > � > Is this retrospective appreciation? > � > Is it for those not around in 1978? > � > I was around then having just left school and listened to each of his shows keeping the best bits to tape since that time to 2004. > � > The one value of listening to whole radio shows is being able to listen to Peely's dulcet tones again. For me his voice brings back memories of my more vigorous years. So is it nostalgia? > � > It would be nice to keep that nostalgia alive. > � > Regards > Gordon > � > � > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Ashley > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal > > I'm in for �20 too. > � > While I've got top Peelers attention - anyone got the following missing sessions > � > AC/DC June 1976 > ATV Dec 1977 > Catherine Wheel Apr 1981 > John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 > Delgados All of them > Desperate Bicycles Jul 1978 > Howard Devoto Aug 1983 > Icicle Works All of them > Lurkers All of them > Misty In Roots All of them > PIL Dec 1979 > Revillos Mar 1980/Apr 1981 > Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 > Rich Kids Oct 1977/Mar 1978 > TRB Oc 1977 > Smiths All of them > Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 > Stukas Jan 1978 > Swell Maps Oct 1978 > Vibrators All of them > Vice Squad Jun 1981 > XTC All of them > > Regards to all > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1543 - Release Date: 09/07/2008 18:32 > From lollygagger@... Fri Jul 11 23:22:39 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:22:39 +0100 Subject: retroative In-Reply-To: <20080711193043.M8277@...> References: <460523.36631.qm@...> <3F4FAA4D670340C093B3E38C570F09AA@LAPTOP> <20080711193043.M8277@...> Message-ID: <22C1E4F1742B4383B723026237A4564B@LAPTOP> Hi Sean I see what you are saying. John was the first to play New Orders "Blue Monday" track. After the first playing he said he had mixed feelings about it giving a brief description "dancey" come something else. When tracks become popularized by the media it can be difficult to remember that most people just shrugged their shoulders on first hearing and in some cases that well known classics were not so unique when first released as other groups and bands were producing similar sounds at the same time. Its good that Peely's shows are finding new listeners world wide. I am all for new music but it would be nice to think of John Peel shows being played somewhere maybe having their own radio show :) Gordon But I'm forgetting that's what does happen. Radio 1 uses most of the 10-12pm slots replaying music that John brought to our attention decades ago while not bothering with new upcoming bands with new sounds. Ah to have a dj that really loves music without pigeon holing it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Carolan To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal Gordon, I'd vote "retroactive appreciation". (See what I did there?) I've never heard any of those shows, but here in the states, as word of the music he featured rippled across the ocean, it would drive what the import stores would stock and what the DJ pools would service, and thus what we'd play over here; it would be nice to actually hear the original pebble hit the water, so to speak. When I finally got to hear Peel for myself (that is, when the BBC started streaming over the Internet, so quite late in the party) I understood what was so compelling about his presentation, and that's why I'd really like to hear as much of this as possible and with as much ephemera as possible - context is very helpful, even more so than the "packaged retrospective", in getting an idea of the impact a record made. After all, it's one thing to hear *about* how Peel first reacted to "Teenage Kicks"; it's quite another to actually hear him actually react to it when you haven't heard it before. (Does that aircheck exist?) -Sean On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:59:33 +0100, lollygagger wrote > [UTF-8?] > Its great that there is still a love for the John Peel shows. > > Is this retrospective appreciation? > > Is it for those not around in 1978? > > I was around then having just left school and listened to each of his shows keeping the best bits to tape since that time to 2004. > > The one value of listening to whole radio shows is being able to listen to Peely's dulcet tones again. For me his voice brings back memories of my more vigorous years. So is it nostalgia? > > It would be nice to keep that nostalgia alive. > > Regards > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Ashley > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:12 AM > Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal > > I'm in for £20 too. > > While I've got top Peelers attention - anyone got the following missing sessions > > AC/DC June 1976 > ATV Dec 1977 > Catherine Wheel Apr 1981 > John Cooper Clarke Oct 1978 > Delgados All of them > Desperate Bicycles Jul 1978 > Howard Devoto Aug 1983 > Icicle Works All of them > Lurkers All of them > Misty In Roots All of them > PIL Dec 1979 > Revillos Mar 1980/Apr 1981 > Rezillos Dec 1977/May 1978 > Rich Kids Oct 1977/Mar 1978 > TRB Oc 1977 > Smiths All of them > Stranglers Mar/Aug 1977 > Stukas Jan 1978 > Swell Maps Oct 1978 > Vibrators All of them > Vice Squad Jun 1981 > XTC All of them > > Regards to all > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1543 - Release Date: 09/07/2008 18:32 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: 10/07/2008 18:43 From Phyll@... Sat Jul 12 00:19:17 2008 From: Phyll@... (Phyll@...) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:19:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Does anyone remember Revenge fanzine? Message-ID: <26037713.874001215814756760.JavaMail.www@wwinf3711> I know this is narrowly off topic, but if your all laying on beds propped up by boxes of late 70's peel tapes i wondered if anyone still had any old fanzines of the period? I've been trying to do some research on punk / new wave 'zines, starting off concentrating on Revenge, but i'm after anything at all really - Hanging Around, Bondage, Letter Bomb etc... I'm looking to try to put copies of the regional fanzines of the period into local archives, while the London 'zines aren't exactly easy to get hold of, those that came out in the other corners of the country are like rocking horse shit, and i was wondering if anyone in the group had copies that they could duplicate for me. With any luck i'll be putting together some sort of exhibition drawn from the 'zines and the ephemera of the period - It seems churlish to do an exhibit around punk writing and no have an audio element, and I remember Peel plugging zines on the show, and i'd love to have peel in the background, so if anyone knows of shows where he mentions any 'zines (regional or not) i'd love to know about it. > From ken_garner@... Sat Jul 12 09:07:32 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:07:32 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: deedee.- seller is not responding to my messages. He may feel I am doing something inappropriate , although I have not suggested anything like that, just that a bid from someone representing us would ensure a good home for the tapes which respects his aspirations. But I did not tell him you might be our bidder. I'd just go ahead and bid anyway, and let's win em in normal ebay manner, ok? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps, > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > the day. > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > case! > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > Fingers crossed! > > DeeDee > From deedeeramain@... Sat Jul 12 11:17:25 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: <684820.93481.qm@...> Hi Ken! I thinks that's best. If I put a snipe in for around 500 quid then I would think that it is very unlikely anyone would best that. If you put something up for auction on Ebay it's probably because you expect to make some money out of it so why would he want to sell them off early - I don't believe the laudable guff he's using to describe them - I think that is just to cover his a#@! . A snipe is a bid at the very last minute. It  is useful because it prevents competetive bidding which can be impulsive and needlessly drives the price up. Never Ebay drunk either! If a snipe works then nobody will see your bid until the auction is over and my real name isn't DeeDee anyhow! Cheers....and fingers crossed! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: ken garner To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:07:32 AM Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay deedee.- seller is not responding to my messages. He may feel I am doing something inappropriate , although I have not suggested anything like that, just that a bid from someone representing us would ensure a good home for the tapes which respects his aspirations. But I did not tell him you might be our bidder. I'd just go ahead and bid anyway, and let's win em in normal ebay manner, ok? --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps, > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > the day. > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > case! > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > Fingers crossed! > > DeeDee > From lists@... Sat Jul 12 11:56:34 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:56:34 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?QmlkIKMyMDAg?= Message-ID: I'll put in £200 to make sure we secure these. I'll also donate my servers to enable the group to share these tapes without the normal hassle of using file sharing services. Around 300G should be enough to start off with if these tapes are ripped to flac. Tried contacting seller at the beginning of the auction, but they don't seem to want to communicate as others have found. Considering the sum of money we are dealing with now, it would be good if we could find a way of verifing the contents of at least some of these tapes before we hand over the cash. Regards Gary From dunelm@... Sat Jul 12 12:28:14 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:28:14 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on eBay Message-ID: Er, given that the seller has been alerted to the fact that this group has a collective hard-on for these tapes, it may be prudent not to post any more messages notifying the amount you propose to bid. If several members intend to lodge bids, you may also wish to email each other offline to devise a strategy. Otherwise you're just going to be bidding against each other, thereby driving the price up still further. From eddie.duffy@... Sat Jul 12 15:02:27 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:02:27 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: <684820.93481.qm@...> References: <684820.93481.qm@...> Message-ID: <4878AB63.7020805@...> I think that's a little unfair, DeeDee. Certainly the item has been put up as an "eBay for Charity" listing, so I think the seller deserves a bit of credit for putting their money where their mouth is. I'm not sure how charity listings work, but I'd imagine PayPal sends the money directly to the charity and then notifies the seller when it's cleared. But blimey: �77 and still nearly six days to go... Eddie. Riving Ton wrote: > > If you put something up for auction on Ebay it's probably because you > expect to make some money out of it so why would he want to sell them > off early - I don't believe the laudable guff he's using to describe > them - I think that is just to cover his a#@! . > > Messages in this topic > > (11) Reply (via web post) > > | Start a new topic > > > Messages > > | Files > > | Photos > > | Links > > | Database > > | Polls > > | Members > > | Calendar > > > MARKETPLACE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You rock! > > Blockbuster wants to give you a complimentary trial of - Blockbuster > Total Access. > > > Yahoo! Groups > > > Change settings via the Web > > (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest > > | Switch format to Traditional > > > Visit Your Group > > | Yahoo! 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Cheers Roger From ken_garner@... Sat Jul 12 18:18:14 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:18:14 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this just in from the seller to me: "Hi Ken, We have only just recieved your messages. Most tapes that I tested were perfectly audible but some have not been played back since recorded. As you can see from the advert we have already selected a charity based on the premise that this is a recognised BBC charity and therefore the sale of the tapes would not constitute an offence. It seems as though it would be most appropriate for the tapes to be with the John Peel Group but we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest. Regards Railway rocks. " I think it might be best if I reply saying ok, fair do's, you carry on the auction as normal, one of us will just watch the bidding, join in, and try to hope we get the collection, all the best. what do folks think? as someone said, he's doing the decent thing but the wants to make some cash for the charity, fair enough... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "roger3905" wrote: > > Given that the seller has 100% positive feedback for 600 transactions, I think he/she > probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. > Like most things online, it's all too easy to jump to conclusions or get into > misunderstandings. I've had eBayers who appear to be not communicating, only to find out > later that their replies had been diverted by my ISP's spam filter (you have checked that, > haven't you Ken ?). > Cheers > Roger > From dr_mango2004@... Sat Jul 12 18:25:49 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: peel tapes and paypal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3165.47431.qm@...> I'm happy to contribute a few quid. I can also help out with the digitising, should our bid be successful. Mango __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From roger.carruthers@... Sat Jul 12 18:41:34 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (roger3905) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:41:34 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed. Much as we'd love to think of these tapes as `ours', the guy is obviously a serious eBayer with a good feedback record to protect. It's what makes eBay work, so his response shouldn't come as too much of a surprise. We do at least have the advantage of having a decent amount of cash pledged for the bid, so barring another rich fan (or group of them), we stand a good chance of success by banging in a large snipe at the end. There's not really much more we can do but keep our fingers crossed. Cheers Roger --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > this just in from the seller to me: > > "Hi Ken, > We have only just recieved your messages. > Most tapes that I tested were perfectly audible but some have not been played back since > recorded. > As you can see from the advert we have already selected a charity based on the premise > that this is a recognised BBC charity and therefore the sale of the tapes would not > constitute an offence. It seems as though it would be most appropriate for the tapes to be > with the John Peel Group but we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous > experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest. > Regards > Railway rocks. " > > I think it might be best if I reply saying ok, fair do's, you carry on the auction as normal, > one of us will just watch the bidding, join in, and try to hope we get the collection, all the > best. > > what do folks think? > > as someone said, he's doing the decent thing but the wants to make some cash for the > charity, fair enough... > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "roger3905" wrote: > > > > Given that the seller has 100% positive feedback for 600 transactions, I think he/she > > probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. > > Like most things online, it's all too easy to jump to conclusions or get into > > misunderstandings. I've had eBayers who appear to be not communicating, only to find > out > > later that their replies had been diverted by my ISP's spam filter (you have checked that, > > haven't you Ken ?). > > Cheers > > Roger > > > From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Sat Jul 12 18:44:59 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:44:59 -0000 Subject: Nick Cave (again...sorry!) Message-ID: I've accidentally deleted the link for the Nick Cave peel session before I downloaded it. Anybody help? Thanks Stephen From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Sat Jul 12 18:48:57 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:48:57 -0000 Subject: Nick Cave (again...sorry!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > I've accidentally deleted the link for the Nick Cave peel session > before I downloaded it. Anybody help? > Thanks > Stephen > Just realized I can skip through the old messages on the website. Ignore me...it's been a long day! From dunelm@... Sat Jul 12 19:01:12 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:01:12 -0000 Subject: The Perfumed Garden Message-ID: What with the tapes on eBay and all, it may have gone unnoticed that there's been quite a lot of activity recently at http://www.theperfumedgarden.blogspot.com From ken_garner@... Sat Jul 12 20:02:10 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:02:10 -0000 Subject: this just sent to railway rocks Message-ID: this is what I have said to the seller... and now I really am going on holiday. Let me know if we get lucky... "Dear Railway rocks That's ok, fair enough. Stick to the planned auction and one of the john peel group will just try and put in a bid to get the lot! My mention of John's favourite charities was just a thought, that's all. I am not sure that making a donation to a BBC charity actually gets you off the copyright hook, but it certainly makes it even harder for anyone -especially the BBC - to get snotty about it (it's really the record companies who are the zealots on this score, and PRS, but they both have rather bigger fish to fry right now, than old Peel listeners swapping old tapes, frankly!). I f you've read my book, you'll know that the bbc is quite happy to get tapes of stuff it's missing, but does not really have the manpower or time to search tehm out or store them. Instead, we've found it's up to networks like ours to identify a show , or session, that we think from our knowledge may be missing, then I talk to the archivists, and we arrange a digital donation. If we're lucky in your auction, I 'd imagine that's what we'll evetually do. Anyway, here's hoping we get lucky in your auction, cheers, ken garner" From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Jul 13 01:26:37 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:26:37 -0000 Subject: Nick Cave (again...sorry!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.divshare.com/download/4916681-77c Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks-now back online] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > I've accidentally deleted the link for the Nick Cave peel session > before I downloaded it. Anybody help? > Thanks > Stephen > From markbursa@... Sun Jul 13 01:35:10 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:35:10 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: Ken, I'd offer him £600 straight up to his charity in return for ending the auction now - and if any other bidder moans simply say an exceptional charity donation was offered. We've enough pledges to cover that at £20 a head, plus one or two folks who'd make up any shortfall. I think he'd bite - he clearly wants to do the deal. Cheers Mark >>We have only just recieved your messages. Most tapes that I tested were perfectly audible but some have not been played back since recorded. As you can see from the advert we have already selected a charity based on the premise that this is a recognised BBC charity and therefore the sale of the tapes would not constitute an offence. It seems as though it would be most appropriate for the tapes to be with the John Peel Group but we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest. Regards Railway rocks. " I think it might be best if I reply saying ok, fair do's, you carry on the auction as normal, one of us will just watch the bidding, join in, and try to hope we get the collection, all the best. what do folks think? as someone said, he's doing the decent thing but the wants to make some cash for the charity, fair enough...<< From deedeeramain@... Sun Jul 13 11:59:13 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: <511142.30307.qm@...> Hi Mark! I think we are going to go the auction route. A plea to everyone else that is interested in this development also - don't bid on the lot will you? I can imagine that some good natured folk might think they are helping out by setting up a big bid but we may end up needlessly driving up the price to silly money if we start bidding against each other! Cheers, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: "markbursa@..." To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:35:10 AM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Ken,   I'd offer him £600 straight up to his charity in return for ending the auction now - and if any other bidder moans simply say an exceptional charity donation was offered. We've enough pledges to cover that at £20 a head, plus one or two folks who'd make up any shortfall.   I think he'd bite - he clearly wants to do the deal.   Cheers   Mark   >>We have only just recieved your messages. Most tapes that I tested were perfectly audible but some have not been played back since recorded. As you can see from the advert we have already selected a charity based on the premise that this is a recognised BBC charity and therefore the sale of the tapes would not constitute an offence. It seems as though it would be most appropriate for the tapes to be with the John Peel Group but we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest. Regards Railway rocks. " I think it might be best if I reply saying ok, fair do's, you carry on the auction as normal, one of us will just watch the bidding, join in, and try to hope we get the collection, all the best. what do folks think? as someone said, he's doing the decent thing but the wants to make some cash for the charity, fair enough...<<   From neil_jenkins.geo@... Sun Jul 13 21:06:22 2008 From: neil_jenkins.geo@... (Neil Jenkins) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: <511142.30307.qm@...> Message-ID: <850538.66614.qm@...> Hi All, In terms of being up-to-date with my e-mails, not only am I not on the ball, but I'm not even entirely sure where the ball is.  Consequently, I'm rather late in to this whole topic (and am not yet completely certain about the full details). However, to support a single 'group bid' I'm happy to pledge £20. Cheers, Neil --- On Sun, 13/7/08, Riving Ton wrote: From: Riving Ton Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 13 July, 2008, 11:59 AM Hi Mark!   I think we are going to go the auction route.   A plea to everyone else that is interested in this development also - don't bid on the lot will you? I can imagine that some good natured folk might think they are helping out by setting up a big bid but we may end up needlessly driving up the price to silly money if we start bidding against each other!   Cheers,   DeeDee __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 13 21:50:30 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds Peel Session 1984-03-28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Which reminds me, I recorded BBC 4¹s Nick Cave night the other day. There was some cracking stuff ­ a recent BBC session, a Œsongwriters session¹ with John Cale & Chrissie Hind, and a compo of all his various Jools Holland appearances. I¹m stupidly busy at the moment, but if someone reminds in a couple of weeks time, I¹ll extract the audio (I recorded it as DV) and post it somewhere, Cheers Roger On 10/07/2008 14:17, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > Here's the session recorded today: it came out superbly, so don't let > the 65 kbps stream speed put you off! > > http://www.divshare.com/download/4916681-77c > > Best wishes > > Steve [the currently resting Teenage Kicks] > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Sun Jul 13 23:21:00 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:21:00 -0000 Subject: Complete Shows Message-ID: Hello there everyone. I am new to this site after being led to it by thebarguest. He posted a link to my complete 3rd April 1979 show here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/message/6787 I have been recording Peel since 1975, and I have hundreds of snippets of Peel show tapes, but after cataloguing them I have just a few COMPLETE shows. Complete = Theme tune to theme tune with nothing missing. They are 3.4.79 13.6.83 14.6.83 26.12.78 (FF) 27.12.78 (FF) 28.12.78 (FF) 29.12.78 (FF) As I said, surpringly few compared to the many incompletes. So what I would like to know is this - how many full shows exist? Is one of the purposes of this group to obtain all the full shows in existence and work with the BBC to catalogue them and record them for posterity? Count me in for that lofty goal! From markbursa@... Mon Jul 14 00:49:18 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:49:18 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: >>I think we are going to go the auction route. A plea to everyone else that is interested in this development also - don't bid on the lot will you? I can imagine that some good natured folk might think they are helping out by setting up a big bid but we may end up needlessly driving up the price to silly money if we start bidding against each other!<< Seconded. Just make sure the bid is big enough - we were over £400 last time I looked and several more people have pledged since then - we must have at least £600 at our disposal. Mark From saipanda@... Mon Jul 14 06:10:14 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:10:14 -0000 Subject: Complete Shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bill, Let me be first to welcome you the group. And many thanks indeed for making the 1979 show available already. As a native Liverpudlian of around the right age, I especially loved hearing the Big In Japan session in the context of the show. As you may have noticed from recent postings, we seem to be a bit swept up right now in the excitement of the current eBay auction, with goals that would include making rare material available to the BBC archives. As much as anything, though, think we'd all just love to hear/know what's on the tapes in question. Apart from that, think you'll find general Peel related chit-chat and swapping information on shows, sessions, etc. I would certainly subscribe to your lofty goal, but think we're still a good way from that. Anyway, fantastic to hear new digital recordings of old shows, whether complete or not, rescued from old tapes, with the comments of the great man intact. For example, one member was recently able to share a partial two-hour recording of the 1978 Festive Fifty (and same for the 1979 one). This was greeted with great joy and general rejoicing in these parts, as none of the F50s before 1980 had ever come to light before (except for an edited top 10 of 1979). The other two still missing FF "holy grails" are FF76 and FF77. Couldn't help but notice that the full shows you have include the two nights of this self- same 1978 F50. If it were possible to share this (and the two shows from 1983) in the same way as your previous 3.4.79, I for one would be really happy. And of course, whatever partial shows you can get digitized from your treasure trove. Sounds like a brilliant collection! Anyway, welcome aboard! Cheers, Steve W PS For more shows etc, you might want to check the links at the johnpeeleveryday blog and/or the various torrent sites. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Hello there everyone. > > I am new to this site after being led to it by thebarguest. > > He posted a link to my complete 3rd April 1979 show here > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/message/6787 > > I have been recording Peel since 1975, and I have hundreds of > snippets of Peel show tapes, but after cataloguing them I have just a > few COMPLETE shows. > > Complete = Theme tune to theme tune with nothing missing. > > They are > > 3.4.79 > 13.6.83 > 14.6.83 > 26.12.78 (FF) > 27.12.78 (FF) > 28.12.78 (FF) > 29.12.78 (FF) > > As I said, surpringly few compared to the many incompletes. > > So what I would like to know is this - how many full shows exist? > > Is one of the purposes of this group to obtain all the full shows in > existence and work with the BBC to catalogue them and record them for > posterity? > > Count me in for that lofty goal! > From gpwebster@... Mon Jul 14 09:10:13 2008 From: gpwebster@... (hammieweb) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:10:13 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: a message to anyone who is keeping count I will also pledge £20 Graham (hammieweb) --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: > Seconded. Just make sure the bid is big enough - we were over £400 last time > I looked and several more people have pledged since then - we must have at > least £600 at our disposal. > > > Mark > From jt.gray@... Mon Jul 14 14:53:52 2008 From: jt.gray@... (John Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:53:52 +0100 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: Hi guys - well, John Peel fan from way back; compulsive collector; subscriber to this list; blah blah. But - big problem finding time for all my interests. Not only do I get this list as a digest but I then tend to read maybe 6 or 7 digests at once. So I am just getting the story on these ebay goodies. It seems right and proper that the Yahoo group provides a safe home for these tapes, and that the relevant charity should benefit appropriately. Would have been a nice bonus if it had also been Peel's chosen charities, but never mind. I did download the session tapes that came available a while back, haven't made much inroad into listening, but the shows would be something else. So - count on me for a contribution, whatever the going rate is. BTW, when does this auction close? John Gray From tomb242@... Mon Jul 14 16:45:44 2008 From: tomb242@... (Tom Bartlett) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:45:44 +0100 Subject: Room 101 Message-ID: <487B6698.6060001@...> Tonight on Virgin 1 is the repeated Room 101 with Peelie. It's on at 10:00pm repeated an hour later on Virgin 1+1 I believe Virgin 1 is on freeview these days if you don't have Sky or Virgin media. From alan@... Sat Jul 12 20:17:27 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:17:27 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bid:_=A320?= References: Message-ID: <000001c8e5d4$e6dbefa0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> >> we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous >> experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest? I suggest pointing out to irate potential bidders that ultimately they'll be able to download the contents of the tapes for free. Count me in for �20 Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: ken garner To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay this just in from the seller to me: "Hi Ken, We have only just recieved your messages. Most tapes that I tested were perfectly audible but some have not been played back since recorded. As you can see from the advert we have already selected a charity based on the premise that this is a recognised BBC charity and therefore the sale of the tapes would not constitute an offence. It seems as though it would be most appropriate for the tapes to be with the John Peel Group but we are loathed to end the auction early based on previous experioence of irate potential bidders. What do you suggest. Regards Railway rocks. " I think it might be best if I reply saying ok, fair do's, you carry on the auction as normal, one of us will just watch the bidding, join in, and try to hope we get the collection, all the best. what do folks think? as someone said, he's doing the decent thing but the wants to make some cash for the charity, fair enough... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "roger3905" wrote: > > Given that the seller has 100% positive feedback for 600 transactions, I > think he/she > probably deserves the benefit of the doubt. > Like most things online, it's all too easy to jump to conclusions or get > into > misunderstandings. I've had eBayers who appear to be not communicating, > only to find out > later that their replies had been diverted by my ISP's spam filter (you > have checked that, > haven't you Ken ?). > Cheers > Roger > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.8/1547 - Release Date: 11/07/2008 18:05 From eddie.duffy@... Mon Jul 14 19:15:43 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:15:43 -0000 Subject: Full Top Gear from 1967 Message-ID: After a long period of inactivity, I've at last posted a 'new' show on Kat's Karavan. It's an oldie but goodie, featuring John Peel and Tommy Vance co-hosting the Top Gear New Year's Eve show in 1967. Sessions (probably repeats) are from The Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, Eric Burdon & The Animals, The Herd and The Alan Bown Set. And inevitably, The Misunderstood's I Can Take You To The Sun gets an airing. Three hours in total. Enjoy! http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ Eddie. From alan@... Mon Jul 14 21:08:49 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:08:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] Room 101 References: <487B6698.6060001@...> Message-ID: <001701c8e5e5$0d5a91d0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> It's also on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1J07D6gSik along with This Is Your Life and 900 other clips. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Bartlett To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: [peel] Room 101 Tonight on Virgin 1 is the repeated Room 101 with Peelie. It's on at 10:00pm repeated an hour later on Virgin 1+1 I believe Virgin 1 is on freeview these days if you don't have Sky or Virgin media. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 14/07/2008 06:49 From saipanda@... Tue Jul 15 09:51:24 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:51:24 -0000 Subject: Full Top Gear from 1967 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for this one, Eddie, as well as all the others previously. Look forward to giving it a listen. Cheers, Steve W From eddie.duffy@... Tue Jul 15 11:04:45 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:04:45 +0100 Subject: [peel] Room 101 In-Reply-To: <001701c8e5e5$0d5a91d0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> References: <487B6698.6060001@...> <001701c8e5e5$0d5a91d0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: <487C682D.8030301@...> There's a capture from last night's broadcast up on UKNova. It's pretty good quality, certainly much better than my dodgy old copy. Worth a download if you want one for keeps. Eddie. Alan Ford wrote: > > It's also on youtube > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1J07D6gSik > > > along with This Is Your Life and 900 other clips. > > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Bartlett > *To:* peel@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2008 3:45 PM > *Subject:* [peel] Room 101 > > Tonight on Virgin 1 is the repeated Room 101 with Peelie. It's on at > 10:00pm repeated an hour later on Virgin 1+1 > > I believe Virgin 1 is on freeview these days if you don't have Sky or > Virgin media. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 14/07/2008 06:49 > > > From ajcauk@... Tue Jul 15 11:09:43 2008 From: ajcauk@... (cannon alan) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:09:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: non sequitur In-Reply-To: <000001c8e5d4$e6dbefa0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: <859447.8738.qm@...> Does anyone remember a Radio 1 prog that was put out on a Friday evening ( 6pmish) that would have a panel reviewing that weeks 45's output. Pretty sure it was a feature from the start in 1967. Different DJ's each week on the panel and i am sure JP took his turn and there were some quite humorous if not mindbending moments. Tony Blackburn might have been involved. Ring any bells? alanjc __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From robfleay@... Tue Jul 15 11:34:04 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:34:04 +0000 Subject: [peel] non sequitur Message-ID: <20080715093447.RIGB16854.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Roundtable? > > From: cannon alan > Date: 2008/07/15 Tue AM 09:09:43 GMT > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] non sequitur > > Does anyone remember a Radio 1 prog that was put out on a Friday evening ( 6pmish) that would have a panel reviewing that weeks 45's output. Pretty sure it was a feature from the start in 1967. Different DJ's each week on the panel and i am sure JP took his turn and there were some quite humorous if not mindbending moments. Tony Blackburn might have been involved. Ring any bells? > alanjc > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Tue Jul 15 11:30:03 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:30:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] non sequitur In-Reply-To: <859447.8738.qm@...> References: <859447.8738.qm@...> Message-ID: <487C6E1B.9020608@...> Sounds like Round Table (or Roundtable) to me, Alan. Presented by various big-name DJs over the years: Rosko, Mike Read, etc. Some info and clips here: http://www.radiorewind.co.uk/roundtable_show_page.htm Thanks to Gary (Domestic Empire), I have a very lo-fi recording of an edition of Round Table where JP guests with Kate Bush amongst others. I understand there's someone with audio experience out there cleaning up the source for that one, but I'm not sure on progress. Oh, and a great clip from one show where Peel has a rant about Patti Smith; that one courtesy of Colin Ellis. If I remember, I'll put that last clip up tonight. Eddie. cannon alan wrote: > > Does anyone remember a Radio 1 prog that was put out on a Friday > evening ( 6pmish) that would have a panel reviewing that weeks 45's > output. Pretty sure it was a feature from the start in 1967. Different > DJ's each week on the panel and i am sure JP took his turn and there > were some quite humorous if not mindbending moments. Tony Blackburn > might have been involved. Ring any bells? > > alanjc > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want > - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! > > From andrewianfox33@... Wed Jul 16 23:24:32 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:24:32 -0000 Subject: JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist Message-ID: i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. cheers andrew new member 56 years old long time fan, and i really miss him From andrewianfox33@... Wed Jul 16 23:28:34 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:28:34 -0000 Subject: did JP ever play... Message-ID: or mention Les Negresses Vertes?? surely he would have loved the William orbit mix of Zobi la Mouche ?? andrew also out of interest did he ever mention or play eyeless in gaza, as i know martyn well and often tease him about the peel prog and his ambition for a plug.... andrew From rockerq@... Thu Jul 17 01:19:55 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:19:55 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: I see that the eBay item has reached 122 quid. Assume that "bidder 5" is our bid? Bidding ends around 12.30 pm on Friday UK time - I will have internet access on Friday evening so if we do win, someone will need to mail me with the details of either when and where to pick up, or the seller's contact - I reckon first chance I get to pick up will be Monday evening after work, around 6pm - 6.30pm. We will also need to know the details of how to pay our contributions in. Cheers! Rocker From saipanda@... Thu Jul 17 07:25:43 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:25:43 -0000 Subject: JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, I've posted this link before, but there's a few short clips here I think you might enjoy. Includes the sweet-eating game and JP doing animal noise impressions: http://andromeda.star.bris.ac.uk/peel/peelvocals.html Not sure who the guy is that has this page. Maybe he's on here. Anyway, some enjoyable stuff. Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i > would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee > to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really > BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours > worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better > compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range > of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. > > cheers andrew > > new member > 56 years old > long time fan, and i really miss him > From saipanda@... Thu Jul 17 07:30:18 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:30:18 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm hoping this is DeeDee and everything is under control. DeeDee, please reassure us everything is going to be OK. Time ticking down. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > I see that the eBay item has reached 122 quid. Assume that "bidder 5" is our > bid? > > Bidding ends around 12.30 pm on Friday UK time - I will have internet access > on Friday evening so if we do win, someone will need to mail me with the > details of either when and where to pick up, or the seller's contact - I reckon > first chance I get to pick up will be Monday evening after work, around 6pm - > 6.30pm. > > We will also need to know the details of how to pay our contributions in. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From robfleay@... Thu Jul 17 08:59:23 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 6:59:23 +0000 Subject: [peel] JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist Message-ID: <20080717065732.UOJO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> I uploaded a small (different) selection to the Peel FTP server when that was still running. I probably still have them knocking around somewhere. I also seem to remember that someone was collecting all the original links from The Fall sessions so that they could redux their official peel sessions boxset.. > i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i > would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee > to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really > BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours > worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better > compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range > of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. > > cheers andrew > > new member > 56 years old > long time fan, and i really miss him > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From hangthedj@... Thu Jul 17 10:40:59 2008 From: hangthedj@... (hangthedj@...) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:40:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49407.157.140.6.125.1216284059.V1IUQ21ZSU9/RR0X.squirrel@157.140.6.125> Andrew, yes John Peel on the iPod is a wonderful thing, here are 37 short speech clips from between 80 to 81 to get you started: https://rcpt.yousendit.com/590028305/44cc50fff1f5e638d4dc010666405ed2 enjoy > > i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i > would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee > to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really > BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours > worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better > compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range > of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. > > cheers andrew > > new member > 56 years old > long time fan, and i really miss him > > From lollygagger@... Thu Jul 17 17:33:52 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:33:52 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76DDDA8297B84EE4A5468032A1DFF04D@LAPTOP> It's hard to believe that anyone would want the tapes unless they were fans of Peely. If the seller knows how eager this group is to purchase these tapes artificial bids could be made just to bump up the final cost. Sometimes a poker face is useful when bidding in these types of auctions. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: rockerq@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay I see that the eBay item has reached 122 quid. Assume that "bidder 5" is our bid? Bidding ends around 12.30 pm on Friday UK time - I will have internet access on Friday evening so if we do win, someone will need to mail me with the details of either when and where to pick up, or the seller's contact - I reckon first chance I get to pick up will be Monday evening after work, around 6pm - 6.30pm. We will also need to know the details of how to pay our contributions in. Cheers! Rocker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1557 - Release Date: 17/07/2008 05:36 From deedeeramain@... Thu Jul 17 18:43:14 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: <197099.49483.qm@...> Yes, everything is under control - nobody panic! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: saipanda To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:30:18 AM Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay I'm hoping this is DeeDee and everything is under control. DeeDee, please reassure us everything is going to be OK. Time ticking down. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@... wrote: > > I see that the eBay item has reached 122 quid. Assume that "bidder 5" is our > bid? > > Bidding ends around 12.30 pm on Friday UK time - I will have internet access > on Friday evening so if we do win, someone will need to mail me with the > details of either when and where to pick up, or the seller's contact - I reckon > first chance I get to pick up will be Monday evening after work, around 6pm - > 6.30pm. > > We will also need to know the details of how to pay our contributions in. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From andrewianfox33@... Thu Jul 17 18:47:57 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:47:57 -0000 Subject: JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist In-Reply-To: <49407.157.140.6.125.1216284059.V1IUQ21ZSU9/RR0X.squirrel@157.140.6.125> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, hangthedj@... wrote: > > Andrew, yes John Peel on the iPod is a wonderful thing, here are 37 short > speech clips from between 80 to 81 to get you started: > > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/590028305/44cc50fff1f5e638d4dc010666405ed2 > > enjoy > > they are really great thank you andrew > > > > i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i > > would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee > > to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really > > BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours > > worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better > > compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range > > of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. > > > > cheers andrew > > > > new member > > 56 years old > > long time fan, and i really miss him > > > > > From andrewianfox33@... Thu Jul 17 18:49:38 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:49:38 -0000 Subject: JP spoken word clips, short mp3's wanted for ipod playlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > I've posted this link before, but there's a few short clips here I think you might enjoy. > Includes the sweet-eating game and JP doing animal noise impressions: > > http://andromeda.star.bris.ac.uk/peel/peelvocals.html > > Not sure who the guy is that has this page. Maybe he's on here. Anyway, some enjoyable > stuff. > > Cheers, > > Steve very nice thank you , i have downloaded the 16 shorter pieces. cheers andrew > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > > > i have JP playlist on my ipod of stuff he was playing around 1983, i > > would like to source some generic speech clips of his typical repartee > > to randomly intersperse the tracks, the more surreal the better really > > BTW i always play ipod playlists on random repeat and have 10 hours > > worth in my peel playlist, contents include all from the better > > compliation CD's and an eclectic mix of great sounds from a wide range > > of musical genres, plus some oddballs i suspect he would have liked. > > > > cheers andrew > > > > new member > > 56 years old > > long time fan, and i really miss him > > > From belphegore@... Thu Jul 17 21:03:26 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:03:26 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Flac rip? Sounds good to me. Count me in for £20. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps - I'm a regular Ebay user with Auction Sentry as my sniping tool. > > I have a PayPal account and the stuff I buy goes to my parents address > (I'm living in Saudi Arabia). > > I'll bid for these tapes (unless someone tells me not to because there > are alternate plans). > > We can sort out the contributions and collection details if I'm > successful. > > I'd be happy to see these tapes in safe hands and converted to FLAC to > keep the purists happy and ensure they are in wide distribution. > > What do you think? Is that a plan? > > DeeDee > From belphegore@... Thu Jul 17 21:06:58 2008 From: belphegore@... (atyourveryownrisk) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:06:58 -0000 Subject: Cover version programs Message-ID: John Peel did a cover version program back in the mid 90s. Does anyone know any information about this program? Maybe a tracklisting, transmission date? Or a link? From grafpoo@... Thu Jul 17 21:31:34 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:34 -0400 Subject: [peel] Cover version programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From alan@... Thu Jul 17 21:51:39 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:51:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] Cover version programs References: Message-ID: <002e01c8e846$881ff690$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & 2 for each date) but no tracklistings. I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions by Tar and L7. It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on 6/7/91 (unless the tapes are in a different box somewhere) In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still used his theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the Fall", and plays 7 in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life and some others which I hadn't even realised were covers." Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: atyourveryownrisk To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: [peel] Cover version programs John Peel did a cover version program back in the mid 90s. Does anyone know any information about this program? Maybe a tracklisting, transmission date? Or a link? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 17/07/2008 09:56 From alan@... Thu Jul 17 23:32:20 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:32:20 +0100 Subject: Fist Of Fun Message-ID: <003901c8e854$98cdf330$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> John Peel stands in for Mark Radcliffe, and Rich & Stew (Lee & Herring) guest (Oct '96) http://www.fistoffun.net/downloads.htm Under Miscellaneous Audio Alan From martinw@... Fri Jul 18 00:26:54 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:26:54 +0100 Subject: BBC IPlayer Message-ID: People will have noticed that Radio 1 and 2 progs have been moved from the Play Again player to the new IPlayer They soon to be followed by all the other BBC radio stations They are in Flash format and not easily downloadable except in real time. I have not been successful in finding the URLs of the Flash streams RealAudio links can still be accessed. Go to The Iplayer and find the page with the prog you want and click on the Text Only link. There is a link part way down the page to the Real Audio (you get a small RAM file which contains the old links inside. You have to go to the IPlayer for this because if you go to the normal prog page and click on the play back link you just get the Flash Player and not the full IPlayer page Bit rates for the Real Audio streams will be improved after the Olympics are out of the way martinw From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 04:57:13 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:57:13 -0000 Subject: Cover version programs In-Reply-To: <002e01c8e846$881ff690$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & 2 for each date) but no tracklistings. > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions by Tar and L7. > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on 6/7/91 (unless the tapes are in a different box somewhere) > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still used his theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the Fall", and plays 7 in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life and some others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > Alan > From robfleay@... Fri Jul 18 10:46:42 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 8:46:42 +0000 Subject: [peel] BBC IPlayer Message-ID: <20080718084427.ONVD18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > I have not been successful in finding the URLs > of the Flash streams Presumably you've used something like URL snooper to no avail? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From robfleay@... Fri Jul 18 10:51:15 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 8:51:15 +0000 Subject: [peel] Cover version programs Message-ID: <20080718085942.OMEO8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> I had all these on tape at the time but sadly condensed them down to just the songs I liked, but there were some real classics aired. Even sadder, since then I ripped the tapes to mp3 and binned the originals when i moved house... Would love to hear the original shows again. > > From: "Alan Ford" > Date: 2008/07/17 Thu PM 07:51:39 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: [peel] Cover version programs > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & 2 for each date) but no tracklistings. > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions by Tar and L7. > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on 6/7/91 (unless the tapes are in a different box somewhere) > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still used his theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the Fall", and plays 7 in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life and some others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > Alan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: atyourveryownrisk > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:06 PM > Subject: [peel] Cover version programs > > > John Peel did a cover version program back in the mid 90s. Does anyone > know any information about this program? Maybe a tracklisting, > transmission date? Or a link? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 17/07/2008 09:56 > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Jul 18 13:47:22 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:47:22 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, very deep pockets. Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps, > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > the day. > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > case! > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > Fingers crossed! > > DeeDee > From thebarguest@... Fri Jul 18 14:04:50 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:04:50 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh sh*t. There's still a hell of a lot of money out there - just look at all the cars on the roads. Don't believe the (media) hype ! UK is one of the richest countries in the world.... 500 is easily affordable for a great many people. Cheers, Lord Haw-Whore --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. > > Eddie. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > > > Chaps, > > > > I'm watching this auction now and I'll set up a snipe bid for it on > > the day. > > > > I'll post a reasonable bid to try and ensure we win it and then we can > > discuss money / collection / ripping etc. > > > > As previously metioned, the auction may go for much less than the sums > > being bandied around but be assured I'll put a high bid in just in > > case! > > > > Let's also not count our chickens before they hatch also - someone > > with deeper pockets may snipe the lot etc! > > > > Fingers crossed! > > > > DeeDee > > > From robfleay@... Fri Jul 18 14:09:18 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:09:18 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay Message-ID: <20080718121401.BVZJ16854.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for �529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/inthearchive/johnpeel.shtml saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From deedeeramain@... Fri Jul 18 17:09:31 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: <901001.18957.qm@...> Ach! My secret identity is now known! Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy! If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of: mike_hyde@... If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it!   Oh happy day! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Jul 18 17:29:21 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:29:21 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: Phew - that's a relief. Well done, mate! I'd assumed that, because of what you'd said previously, the failed last-minute snipe must have been yours; very happy to be wrong. So, count on £20 from me, though I might have to wait till next Friday as I'm moving house at the moment, and what with HIPs, solicitors and surveyors, the old bank account's taken a right hammering this month. Lossless FLAC is great for me too, though to my ageing ears MP3s of 192K+ sound almost as good. I expect activity this will keep the group buzzing for a fair few months ahead. Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > Ach! > My secret identity is now known! > Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! > I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. > Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy! > If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of: > mike_hyde@... > If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it!   > Oh happy day! > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: RobF > To: peel@...m > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > > > > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > > very deep pockets. > > Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here > http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml > saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" > > So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try > > Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From i50bar@... Fri Jul 18 17:33:04 2008 From: i50bar@... (Mark Webb) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:33:04 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! References: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: <006401c8e8eb$92a2a3b0$f7765651@mark8225c28340> Nice going DeeDee Whats the best way to Paypal you, as a purchase or personal? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Riving Ton To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Ach! My secret identity is now known! Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy! If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of: mike_hyde@... If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it! Oh happy day! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www..virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 17:32:49 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:32:49 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: Hooray, well done, DeeDee! Think you've made a lot of people happy today. Just to check your PayPal account (so I can send you cash to the right place) -- is that a yahoo address? Cheers again. Steve W From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 17:36:23 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:36:23 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scrub previous question re address. For some reason it didn't show up in full on the screen when I read it first time. All cool now. Money heading your way any minute. Thanks again! Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hooray, well done, DeeDee! > > Think you've made a lot of people happy today. > > Just to check your PayPal account (so I can send you cash to the right place) -- is that a > yahoo address? > > Cheers again. > > Steve W > From belphegore@... Fri Jul 18 17:39:34 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:39:34 -0000 Subject: Cover version programs In-Reply-To: <002e01c8e846$881ff690$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Oh, I read this group very unfrequently the last years, if any. The shows in itself would be better as any information ;) Any chance for a lossless /flac copy? Stefan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & 2 for each date) but no tracklistings. > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions by Tar and L7. > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on 6/7/91 (unless the tapes are in a different box somewhere) > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still used his theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the Fall", and plays 7 in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life and some others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > Alan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: atyourveryownrisk > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:06 PM > Subject: [peel] Cover version programs > > > John Peel did a cover version program back in the mid 90s. Does anyone > know any information about this program? Maybe a tracklisting, > transmission date? Or a link? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 17/07/2008 09:56 > From tomb242@... Fri Jul 18 17:53:49 2008 From: tomb242@... (Tom Bartlett) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:53:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4880BC8D.3020901@...> Nice one! I am moving too next week and can sympathise with your plight! �20 from me in the next week or two. Agree with archiving to FLAC and once settled in to the new place I will happily help out in the digitizing process. Tom Ed Duffy wrote: > > Phew - that's a relief. Well done, mate! > > I'd assumed that, because of what you'd said previously, the failed > last-minute snipe must have been yours; very happy to be wrong. So, > count on �20 from me, though I might have to wait till next Friday as > I'm moving house at the moment, and what with HIPs, solicitors and > surveyors, the old bank account's taken a right hammering this month. > > Lossless FLAC is great for me too, though to my ageing ears MP3s of > 192K+ sound almost as good. I expect activity this will keep the group > buzzing for a fair few months ahead. > > Eddie. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Riving > Ton wrote: > > > > Ach! > > My secret identity is now known! > > Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for > posterity! > > I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange > (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. > > Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless > form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about > it as this is a democracy! > > If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I > welcome nominal payments of �20 to my PayPal account of: > > mike_hyde@... > > If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer > not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a > short fall then I'll cover it! > > Oh happy day! > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: RobF > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > > > > > > > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > > > and the lot went for �529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > > > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > > > very deep pockets. > > > > Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same > guy who posted a comment here > > http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml > > saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital > channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen > perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post > your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual > archive!)" > > > > So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay > account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army > of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project > to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try > > > > Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some > credence? > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > From jimkerslake@... Fri Jul 18 18:00:09 2008 From: jimkerslake@... (Jim Kerslake) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:00:09 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> References: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: <67c5892f0807180900t3dbca92ib9732ee404e454b8@...> From belphegore@... Fri Jul 18 18:24:40 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:24:40 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: Nice! As I wrote before I'm in for £20 but only for a lossless rip of the tapes. No Paypal account here... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > Ach! > My secret identity is now known! > Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! > I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. > Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy! > If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of: > mike_hyde@... > If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it! > Oh happy day! > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: RobF > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > > > > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > > very deep pockets. > > Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here > http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml > saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" > > So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try > > Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Jul 18 19:33:15 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:33:15 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: Nice one! My £20 will be it¹s way to you shortly. As I said, I¹m more than happy to be involved in the ripping. I wont bother to argue the toss about formats - whatever the consensus is is fine by me, and that appears to be .flac. (though I¹m quite happy to also encode some high quality .mp3¹s for those with slower connections). Presumably those of us who wish to be involved in the ripping should now send our delivery addresses to to Rocker off-list, and perhaps we should all pay our own p & p costs to him ? Cheers Roger On 18/07/2008 16:09, "Riving Ton" wrote: > > > > Ach! > My secret identity is now known! > Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! > > I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with > consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. > > Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as > FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a > democracy! > > If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome > nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of: > > mike_hyde@... > > If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to > post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then > I'll cover it! > > Oh happy day! > > DeeDee > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: RobF > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > >> > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, >> > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that >> > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, >> > very deep pockets. > > Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who > posted a comment here > http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml > > saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel > playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows > are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there > and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" > > So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account > congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on > this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes > & share them on the web...got to be worth a try > > Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > Email sent from www..virginmedia. com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > From rockerq@... Fri Jul 18 20:44:04 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:44:04 EDT Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: Hope to make the pick up in the next week if our seller is amenable! Have sent a payment of 20 quid to Deedee as requested - hopefully if everyone who said they would, actually pays up, then we should cover the cost (if not then there are a few of us who I think said they could chip in a bit more!). For the moment don't worry about paying P&P costs - let's decide first who wants or is able to do some ripping! Cheers! Rocker > < As I said, I’m more than happy to be involved in the ripping. I wont bother > to argue the toss about formats - whatever the consensus is is fine by me, > and that appears to be .flac. (though I’m quite happy to also encode some high > quality .mp3’s for those with slower connections) > Presumably those of us who wish to be involved in the ripping should now > send our delivery addresses to to Rocker off-list, and perhaps we should all pay > our own p & p costs to him ? > Cheers > Roger>> From dunelm@... Fri Jul 18 21:00:21 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:00:21 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All I'm getting onscreen is mike_hyde@ From tb666xx@... Fri Jul 18 21:09:11 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <901001.18957.qm@...> Message-ID: <587109.21525.qm@...> yes...please send an email again with the paypal addy..I am up for the 20 quid...Im in the US now, so thats like 300 dollars with the exchange rate thses days!!! From festive50@... Thu Jul 17 23:48:10 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:48:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <006401c8e8eb$92a2a3b0$f7765651@mark8225c28340> Message-ID: Ditto - Best way to pay? Purchase or personal? Not sure how this works. Will you get an acknowledgement showing our e-mail, name or e-bay name? Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Webb Sent: 18 July 2008 16:33 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Nice going DeeDee Whats the best way to Paypal you, as a purchase or personal? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Riving Ton To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Ach! My secret identity is now known! Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity! I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution. Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy! If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of �20 to my PayPal account of: mike_hyde@... If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it! Oh happy day! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for �529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www..virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From andrewianfox33@... Fri Jul 18 21:27:58 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:27:58 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Hope to make the pick up in the next week if our seller is amenable! > > Have sent a payment of 20 quid to Deedee as requested - hopefully if everyone > who said they would, actually pays up, then we should cover the cost (if not > then there are a few of us who I think said they could chip in a bit more!). > For the moment don't worry about paying P&P costs - let's decide first who > wants or is able to do some ripping! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > < > As I said, I’m more than happy to be involved in the ripping. I wont bother > > to argue the toss about formats - whatever the consensus is is fine by me, > > and that appears to be .flac. (though I’m quite happy to also encode some high > > quality .mp3’s for those with slower connections) > > Presumably those of us who wish to be involved in the ripping should now > > send our delivery addresses to to Rocker off-list, and perhaps we should all pay > > our own p & p costs to him ? > > Cheers > > Roger>> > please tell me about flac, will it play on an ipod (legally or hacked) what player and ripper do you guys use, i have a huge load of woodstock in large directories coded in flac and want to use/play it in batches for shufffle repeat play.,... andrew , cheers From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 21:28:41 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a problem reading this with my software to start with as well. This should be right -- and hopefully will be readable for everyone: mike_hyde@hairyknees.com Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All > I'm getting onscreen is > > mike_hyde@ > From andrewianfox33@... Fri Jul 18 21:29:29 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:29:29 -0000 Subject: flac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > please tell me about flac, will it play on an ipod (legally or hacked) > what player and ripper do you guys use, i have a huge load of > woodstock in large directories coded in flac and want to use/play it > in batches for shufffle repeat play.,... > > > andrew , cheers soory shouls have snipped last post > From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 21:32:57 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:32:57 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strange. Doesn't seem to come out again, although it did on the preview. Let me try this again. I'll split the address and put it on two separate lines. Just backspace to put it together (hopefully): mike_hyde@ hairyknees.com (Sounds a bit of an unlikely server, but there you go.) Hope that works for everyone. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > I had a problem reading this with my software to start with as well. This should be right -- > and hopefully will be readable for everyone: > > mike_hyde@... > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > > > Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All > > I'm getting onscreen is > > > > mike_hyde@ > > > From deedeeramain@... Fri Jul 18 21:53:46 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: <133377.45755.qm@...> Hello guys! thanks to Steve for his payment and for clearing up the confusion : mike (underscore) hyde (at) hairyknees (dot) com I guess Yahoo doesn't like us putting links about. Hopefully now I have put the seller and Rocker in touch and he will collect the goodies over the next week. I'll give you a heads-up when it looks like we have collected enough from our whip round. I don't want to make a profit out of this! If by chance there's an overflow I'll donate it to Peel's choice of charity. For the guy inquiring about FLAC - well, try Google for a start. My main point in suggesting FLAC is that with the volume of memory ever-increasing and it's price/physical size decreasing; I can see a near point in the future where we won't need to rip to lossy compression. My Media Player and WinAmp both play FLAC recordings and I think now some (what we still refer to as) mp3 players do also. Those guys that prefer a lossy version can use a simple free converter to create a mp3 from the original FLAC. Cheers, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: Phil Edwards To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:48:10 AM Subject: RE: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Ditto - Best way to pay? Purchase or personal? Not sure how this works. Will you get an acknowledgement showing our e-mail, name or e-bay name?   Phil   -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups. com [mailto:peel@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Mark Webb Sent: 18 July 2008 16:33 To: peel@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Nice going DeeDee Whats the best way to Paypal you, as a purchase or personal? Mark   ----- Original Message ----- From: Riving Ton To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Ach! My secret identity is now known! Ladies and gentlemen - the Peel Group HAVE secured the archive for posterity!   I'll arrange with Rocker for collection and then he will arrange (with consultation with the group) the digitising and distribution.   Personally, I would like to see the tapes digitised in a lossless form such as FLAC for posterity's sake but let's have a debate about it as this is a democracy!   If anyone would like to contribute to the cost of these tapes then I welcome nominal payments of £20 to my PayPal account of:   mike_hyde@hairyknee s.com   If you don't have a PayPal account - don't worry about it. I prefer not to post addresses on the web for everyone to see. If there's a short fall then I'll cover it!     Oh happy day!   DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:09:18 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay > The last-minute snipe from Bidder7 (DeeDee?) appears to have failed, > and the lot went for £529(!) in the end. If we have been beaten, that > must be a very keen Peel fan indeed, or someone with, as you said, > very deep pockets. Astonishing! The winner is called Mike Hyde and is probably the same guy who posted a comment here http://www.bbc. co.uk/6music/ shows/inthearchi ve/johnpeel. shtml saying "Did the BBC record John's shows? I could see that a digital channel playing solely John Peel shows would work - Pay per listen perhaps. (Old shows are available on P2P guys! Check out eMule! Post your own old recordings there and maybe we can start our own virtual archive!)" So..on that basis I would recommend contacting him via his ebay account congratulate him on his win and explain that there is an army of people on this list who would dearly love to help him with project to digitise the tapes & share them on the web...got to be worth a try Maybe Ken should be the one to contact him to give the offer some credence? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www..virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Fri Jul 18 22:02:01 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:02:01 -0000 Subject: flac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Here's an info page on FLAC: http://flac.sourceforge.net/documentation_tasks.html Basically, it's a lossless format, so is often thought to be most suitable for archiving material, for minimal (maybe zero) loss of sound quality. If you use a player that doesn't support it, you should be able to convert it pretty easily to whatever you use (mp3 etc) -- see page for conversion software links. I'm no expert, but if you want to play stuff on an ipod I think you may need to covert it to another format. Personally, I'm good with mp3, but see the value of FLAC for the upcoming project. Alas, probably can't contribute more than financially as I'm in Japan (postage no doubt prohibitive) and only have a rotten old cassette player anyway. Many thanks again to DeeDee and Rocker for sorting out the practicalities of getting hold of the tapes for the group, and also to those who can contribute in terms of time and effort for the ripping. Can't wait to find out what's on those tapes. Cheers, Steve W > > > > please tell me about flac, will it play on an ipod (legally or hacked) > > what player and ripper do you guys use, i have a huge load of > > woodstock in large directories coded in flac and want to use/play it > > in batches for shufffle repeat play.,... > > > > > > andrew , cheers > > soory shouls have snipped last post > > > > From lists@... Fri Jul 18 22:27:45 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:27:45 -0000 Subject: flac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My vote would have to be for FLAC. >From that download everyone could convert to a format of their choice. Server space will not be a problem and once others have converted to mp (or whatever) these should be made available to download also. I would also like to say a big thanks to DeeDee for his bidding skills in obtaining these tapes. Regards Gary From andrewianfox33@... Fri Jul 18 23:21:11 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:21:11 -0000 Subject: flac, now playing with amorak.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: - i am happily playing a 40 min Dead track from woodstock, in flac format in amorak for i am a Linux user, plays it out of the box cheers andrew -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > Here's an info page on FLAC: > > http://flac.sourceforge.net/documentation_tasks.html > > Basically, it's a lossless format, so is often thought to be most suitable for archiving > material, for minimal (maybe zero) loss of sound quality. If you use a player that doesn't > support it, you should be able to convert it pretty easily to whatever you use (mp3 etc) -- > see page for conversion software links. > > I'm no expert, but if you want to play stuff on an ipod I think you may need to covert it to > another format. > > Personally, I'm good with mp3, but see the value of FLAC for the upcoming project. Alas, > probably can't contribute more than financially as I'm in Japan (postage no doubt > prohibitive) and only have a rotten old cassette player anyway. > > Many thanks again to DeeDee and Rocker for sorting out the practicalities of getting hold > of the tapes for the group, and also to those who can contribute in terms of time and > effort for the ripping. Can't wait to find out what's on those tapes. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > > > > > > please tell me about flac, will it play on an ipod (legally or hacked) > > > what player and ripper do you guys use, i have a huge load of > > > woodstock in large directories coded in flac and want to use/play it > > > in batches for shufffle repeat play.,... > > > > > > > > > andrew , cheers > > > > soory shouls have snipped last post > > > > > > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Jul 18 23:22:40 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:22:40 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Message-ID: This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. It is part 1 of the FF 1978. This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished mastering them. Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and maybe download some!) I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know how that FF list for 77 was put together. Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the charts of 76 with 78. Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often requiring much care to digitise well. I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to match the sound to match - see what you think) Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on who does it, and how. I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, if they want it. Cheers Bill from North Wales From martinw@... Fri Jul 18 16:31:38 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:31:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] BBC IPlayer In-Reply-To: <20080718084427.ONVD18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@s mtp.ntlworld.com> References: <20080718084427.ONVD18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: At 09:46 18/07/2008, you wrote: > > I have not been successful in finding the URLs > > of the Flash streams > >Presumably you've used something like URL snooper to no avail? Yes Things which people say work on other Flash Players don't seem to work on the BBC one martinw From r.fewster@... Fri Jul 18 23:35:03 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:35:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <133377.45755.qm@...> References: <133377.45755.qm@...> Message-ID: <6974965b0807181435p6090cfbdk66114a808abaa8a3@...> From eddie.duffy@... Fri Jul 18 23:59:51 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:59:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48811257.3080605@...> Bill, you absolute bloody star! Really looking forward to this one, and any more of the same ilk you might have. Many thanks. Amazed at the great stuff that's been turning up lately. Eddie. billfromnorthwales wrote: > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > > From grafpoo@... Sat Jul 19 00:01:27 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:01:27 -0400 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <6974965b0807181435p6090cfbdk66114a808abaa8a3@...> References: <133377.45755.qm@...> <6974965b0807181435p6090cfbdk66114a808abaa8a3@...> Message-ID: From rockerq@... Sat Jul 19 02:34:52 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:34:52 EDT Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: > <> > Around 400 cassettes of part- and full-John Peel Radio 1 shows from the late 70s / early 80s, which I have now arranged to pick up this Thursday - the seller said wait until then as he may be able to find a few more tapes to chuck in too! Let's hope the high price paid may flush out a few more people sitting on boxes of old tapes too! Cheers! Rocker From bill.spiby@... Sat Jul 19 02:42:22 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (bill.spiby@...) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 1:42:22 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Message-ID: <20080719005120.DATD8797.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Is it possible to put Bill forward for a knighthood? > > From: "billfromnorthwales" > Date: 2008/07/18 Fri PM 10:22:40 BST > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Sat Jul 19 07:08:55 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:08:55 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: <48811257.3080605@...> Message-ID: Thanks so much to Bill for this. Fantastic! Fascinating to hear the show in full. The previous edited version we got recently contained a mystery Poco track at the start, which it is now clear was part of a quick run through of odd ones from 1976. It really is an amazing show for the transition period and the contrast between the "before and after" tracks. A real holy grail! Roll on part 2. Quite a day for this list! Cheers, Steve From lists@... Sat Jul 19 07:38:59 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:38:59 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice one Bill. Regards Gary From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Jul 19 08:14:53 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:14:53 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Bill According to Ken's book, the 1977 FF was chosen by Peel himself (he had also chosen his 15 favourite records of the year in 1975), so I regard it as a bona fide fifty (actually 61) for the purposes of my site. He played the tracks between 22-27 Dec 1977. Thanks for this brilliant recording, and I am looking forward to the other three parts (I guess the 27th, 28th of December 1977 and 1 January 1979). Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > From michstoecker@... Sat Jul 19 08:14:59 2008 From: michstoecker@... (michael stoecker) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:14:59 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My 20's paid in the pot. Michael S. To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: saipanda@... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:28:41 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! I had a problem reading this with my software to start with as well. This should be right -- and hopefully will be readable for everyone: mike_hyde@hairyknees.com Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All > I'm getting onscreen is > > mike_hyde@ > From k.j.beech@... Sat Jul 19 09:35:26 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:35:26 -0000 Subject: latest posts Message-ID: well done to both dee dee and bill. watched the last few moments of the action on ebay.oohh scary stuff... From andrewianfox33@... Sat Jul 19 10:07:13 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:07:13 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" Message-ID: and what do we get, short term and long term, those years were my key listening times........... andrew From thebarguest@... Sat Jul 19 10:40:18 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:40:18 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bill ! Welcome to the forum and thanks a lot for this ! Sounds pretty good quality.... A goldnugget ! I for one would back your desire to be allowed to help in the digitisation/transfer process for the Ebay tapes. By the way, there's a chap here who's done a sterling job remastering two 1967 shows : http://www.myoldtapes.blogspot.com/ Regrads, thebargusset --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > From belphegore@... Sat Jul 19 12:32:13 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:32:13 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bill! Sounds very good. And yeah this in flac would be fantastic! Cul Stefan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > From roger.carruthers@... Sat Jul 19 12:33:10 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:33:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] flac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For a list of iPod compatible formats see: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1334 As others have pointed out, the advantage of using .flac is that it¹s lossless and cross-platform, which means that you can convert it to whatever form suits you, knowing that you¹ve at least started with something that hasn¹t Œlost¹ anything. It¹s a matter for debate as to whether this is a worthwhile exercise for material that started out on compact cassette, but if you wish to stay lossless and play it on an iPod, you can convert the files to Apple Lossless, though you may have to decompress them first, depending on what you use to do the conversion. Lossless formats typically run at about half the file size of uncompressed audio ( .aiff, wav etc.) which run to approx 10 Mb per minute of stereo, so Flacs are in the region of 5 Mb per stereo min. ŒLossy¹ formats like .mp3 or .ogg may give you as much as a tenth of the size, or even less, but the smaller you go, the worse they sound. For me 192 kbs is about the bottom of the acceptable range ­ 320 would be my preference, but for any kind of perceptual coding, you have to let your own ears be the judge. So basically, convert them to whatever format works for you. As a Mac user, I use a thing called Max (see http://sbooth.org/Max/), though I¹m sure there are zillions of similar utilities for Windoze, HTH Roger On 18/07/2008 20:29, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> > please tell me about flac, will it play on an ipod (legally or hacked) >> > what player and ripper do you guys use, i have a huge load of >> > woodstock in large directories coded in flac and want to use/play it >> > in batches for shufffle repeat play.,... >> > >> > >> > andrew , cheers > > soory shouls have snipped last post > >> > > > > From 1bob_hall@... Sat Jul 19 15:50:56 2008 From: 1bob_hall@... (ROBERT HALL) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:50:56 -0500 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: Mike, can you drop me an email with your address where I can send a cheque? no pay pal account Bob Hall From rockerq@... Sat Jul 19 17:35:00 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:35:00 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" Message-ID: > < listening times....... tho andrew>> > The cassettes will be digitized and made available to the list via free download - probably using something like Rapidshare, MegaUpload or YouSendIt. Of course we don't yet know the quality of the recordings - they may be recorded in mono from AM, they may have deteriorated over the 30 odd years or got damp etc. We now need to decide who wants to share the work of ripping them, and also what format or formats we use. Consensus so far seems to be that FLAC would be a good format both for archiving, and distributing, because it is lossless, and can easily be converted to mp3 etc for your own use. For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially burn them to Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my computer. This gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived as well as the cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to whether the CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the cassettes will / have / are? Cheers! Rocker From wewalkforonereason@... Sat Jul 19 18:14:29 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:14:29 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/7/19 : > < listening times....... tho andrew>> > > For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially burn them > to Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my computer. > This gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived as well > as the cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to > whether the CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the > cassettes will / have / are? The problems of digital degradation are twofold: Firstly, the equivalent of a twisted tape, or a broken tape, when it comes to a CD are more serious; what renders only part of an analogue medium unreadable may render the entire digital media useless (ie a cracked / broken CD). Secondly, where there are transient flaws, digital flaws have different characteristics than analogue flaws. The best protection is to ensure that multiple complete flac sets are stored at separate locations. From robfleay@... Sat Jul 19 18:37:26 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:37:26 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" Message-ID: <20080719163127.HTWX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> I estimate 400 tapes (c90's?) ripped to flac will be nearly 200gb - that's a long long time spent uploading if your ISP upload rates are as slow as mine!! > > From: rockerq@... > Date: 2008/07/19 Sat PM 03:35:00 GMT > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" > > > < > listening times....... tho andrew>> > > > The cassettes will be digitized and made available to the list via free > download - probably using something like Rapidshare, MegaUpload or YouSendIt. > > Of course we don't yet know the quality of the recordings - they may be > recorded in mono from AM, they may have deteriorated over the 30 odd years or got > damp etc. > > We now need to decide who wants to share the work of ripping them, and also > what format or formats we use. Consensus so far seems to be that FLAC would be > a good format both for archiving, and distributing, because it is lossless, > and can easily be converted to mp3 etc for your own use. > > For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially burn them to > Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my computer. This > gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived as well as the > cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to whether the > CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the cassettes will / > have / are? > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From stuart@... Sat Jul 19 18:42:53 2008 From: stuart@... (Stuart Mchugh) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:42:53 +0100 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: <1216452529.616.70383.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1216452529.616.70383.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <526B3327-FE6D-4C21-8259-39496D5E8C4E@...> > > Let's hope the high price paid may flush out a few more people > sitting on > boxes of old tapes too! > well done all on securing the tapes. I was wondering - with copyright law and the like as well as bandwidth costs etc - if the idea of a streaming radio station playing Peel shows might be a possibility? (I am going to make a few enquiries in case anyone is up for hosting such a thing, but I suspect that legalities might get in the way even before costs do!) While I'm making a rare de-lurk, I also wondered if among the group there were any of the original 15 or so who were part of the Peel tape chain in the late 90s? I actually found out that there was more than one of these operating independently, but this was the one where the tapes originated from, er, me, and found their way to Seattle by nefarious means before working their way around the US. A few of the guys on that chain did make copies of everything, I know, but the originals I always suspected were usually lost, the chances of a package surviving 15 such hops being pretty slim. Anyway, it was when Adobe wound up its UK operation that the tape supply from myself dried up and I lost touch with most of the recipients. Though the Butthole Surfers are in Glasgow tomorrow night and if I see their drummer King I'll be sure and find out if he has any copies left in his collection! Stuart From k.j.beech@... Sat Jul 19 19:00:44 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:00:44 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" In-Reply-To: <20080719163127.HTWX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: what about a post and burn ring. that is one person sends a copy to someone else, they then burn a copy to send to someone else etc...they only person who loses out is the one who starts the chain we do that on another site and it works well. - In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > I estimate 400 tapes (c90's?) ripped to flac will be nearly 200gb - that's a long long time spent uploading if your ISP upload rates are as slow as mine!! > > > > > > From: rockerq@... > > Date: 2008/07/19 Sat PM 03:35:00 GMT > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" > > > > > < > > listening times....... tho andrew>> > > > > > The cassettes will be digitized and made available to the list via free > > download - probably using something like Rapidshare, MegaUpload or YouSendIt. > > > > Of course we don't yet know the quality of the recordings - they may be > > recorded in mono from AM, they may have deteriorated over the 30 odd years or got > > damp etc. > > > > We now need to decide who wants to share the work of ripping them, and also > > what format or formats we use. Consensus so far seems to be that FLAC would be > > a good format both for archiving, and distributing, because it is lossless, > > and can easily be converted to mp3 etc for your own use. > > > > For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially burn them to > > Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my computer. This > > gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived as well as the > > cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to whether the > > CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the cassettes will / > > have / are? > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From lists@... Sat Jul 19 19:33:10 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:33:10 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes Upload Server Space Message-ID: I have more than enough web server space, if someone would like the job of generating a group site to house this collection. It's about time this group had its own file repository and this project certainly could be the impetus to generate one. Regards Gary From belphegore@... Sat Jul 19 20:03:09 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:03:09 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A copy from a copy from a copy from ... IHMO not a good idea --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > what about a post and burn ring. > that is one person sends a copy to someone else, they then burn a > copy to send to someone else etc...they only person who loses out is > the one who starts the chain > > we do that on another site and it works well. > > > > > > - In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > > I estimate 400 tapes (c90's?) ripped to flac will be nearly 200gb - > that's a long long time spent uploading if your ISP upload rates are > as slow as mine!! > > > > > > > > > > From: rockerq@ > > > Date: 2008/07/19 Sat PM 03:35:00 GMT > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" > > > > > > > < were my key > > > > listening times....... tho andrew>> > > > > > > > The cassettes will be digitized and made available to the list > via free > > > download - probably using something like Rapidshare, MegaUpload > or YouSendIt. > > > > > > Of course we don't yet know the quality of the recordings - they > may be > > > recorded in mono from AM, they may have deteriorated over the 30 > odd years or got > > > damp etc. > > > > > > We now need to decide who wants to share the work of ripping > them, and also > > > what format or formats we use. Consensus so far seems to be that > FLAC would be > > > a good format both for archiving, and distributing, because it is > lossless, > > > and can easily be converted to mp3 etc for your own use. > > > > > > For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially > burn them to > > > Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my > computer. This > > > gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived > as well as the > > > cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to > whether the > > > CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the > cassettes will / > > > have / are? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Rocker > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > From alan@... Sat Jul 19 20:20:19 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:20:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs References: Message-ID: <003901c8e9cc$1ae318f0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? er, yeah. Unfortunately I'm a virgin in respect of digitising tapes, but I guess it's time to grasp the nettle and give it a try. I've got a box of tapes, Windows XP and a Sony TC-WE475 Stereo cassette deck. What do I do now ?? Alan PS Just listened to the first part of FF78. Great stuff, and excellent quality recording. I can't guarantee that mine will be as good. I used to have terrible FM reception at my previous address, where most of my recordings were done. ----- Original Message ----- From: saipanda To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & > 2 for each date) but no tracklistings. > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions > by Tar and L7. > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on > 6/7/91 (unless the tapes are in a different box somewhere) > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still > used his theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the > Fall", and plays 7 in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life and some others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > Alan > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 06:47 From martinw@... Sat Jul 19 17:55:07 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:55:07 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially >burn them to Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr >to my computer. This gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr >can be archived as well as the cassette and the digital file on hard >drive. Any opinions as to whether the CDr is likely to deteriorate >over time in the same way as the cassettes will / have / are? I've lost one or two CDs My suggestion is to archive them to data DVDs - I've never lost one of those The files can then be easily copied back on to a computer and resaved anytime martinw From wewalkforonereason@... Sat Jul 19 20:37:35 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:37:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not an issue with losslessly compressed files with checksums. 2008/7/19 Stefan Lingnau : > A copy from a copy from a copy from ... > IHMO not a good idea > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: >> >> what about a post and burn ring. >> that is one person sends a copy to someone else, they then burn a >> copy to send to someone else etc...they only person who loses out is >> the one who starts the chain >> >> we do that on another site and it works well. >> >> >> >> >> >> - In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: >> > >> > I estimate 400 tapes (c90's?) ripped to flac will be nearly 200gb - >> that's a long long time spent uploading if your ISP upload rates are >> as slow as mine!! >> > >> > >> > > >> > > From: rockerq@ >> > > Date: 2008/07/19 Sat PM 03:35:00 GMT >> > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com >> > > Subject: Re: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes, how do we get "in" >> > > >> > > > <> were my key >> > > > listening times....... tho andrew>> >> > > > >> > > The cassettes will be digitized and made available to the list >> via free >> > > download - probably using something like Rapidshare, MegaUpload >> or YouSendIt. >> > > >> > > Of course we don't yet know the quality of the recordings - they >> may be >> > > recorded in mono from AM, they may have deteriorated over the 30 >> odd years or got >> > > damp etc. >> > > >> > > We now need to decide who wants to share the work of ripping >> them, and also >> > > what format or formats we use. Consensus so far seems to be that >> FLAC would be >> > > a good format both for archiving, and distributing, because it is >> lossless, >> > > and can easily be converted to mp3 etc for your own use. >> > > >> > > For those tapes that I digitize myself I will probably initially >> burn them to >> > > Audio CDr in real time - and then transfer from the CDr to my >> computer. This >> > > gives an extra layer of backup, in that the CDr can be archived >> as well as the >> > > cassette and the digital file on hard drive. Any opinions as to >> whether the >> > > CDr is likely to deteriorate over time in the same way as the >> cassettes will / >> > > have / are? >> > > >> > > Cheers! >> > > >> > > Rocker From tb666xx@... Sat Jul 19 21:30:33 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes Upload Server Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <702058.66916.qm@...> agreed.... considering we just managed to drum up 500 quid in a couple of weeks - finding a host for our collective goodies seems like best thing to do - the problem with all these torrents/uploads is that the links have an expiration - if we can find a host (even if we each have to pay a couple of quid a month to keep it)... and a simple way of organising the files - then we can really find out which ones we are missing etc? - we can then also split out festive 50's, sessions, radio finland, interviews etc - pretty big job, but I think it would be worth the trouble...... --- On Sat, 7/19/08, llrc057 wrote: > From: llrc057 > Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes Upload Server Space > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 6:33 PM > I have more than enough web server space, if someone would > like the job > of generating a group site to house this collection. > It's about time this group had its own file repository > and this project > certainly could be the impetus to generate one. > > Regards > Gary > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From 1bob_hall@... Sat Jul 19 21:46:29 2008 From: 1bob_hall@... (ROBERT HALL) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:46:29 -0500 Subject: Cover version programs Message-ID: ALL I have 2x 90min tapes, edited with the following track lists, I can upload what I have but maybe Alan can put the whole show on. Unless we both make them available we can piece the shows together. Dates seem to be 7/7/91 and 14/7/91 judging from the session tracks Tape 1 Ride (Velvet Underground) Mark Arm (Bob Dylan) Slits (Marvin Gaye) Morrissey (The Jam) Teenage Fan Club (John and Yoko) Ramones (Needles and Pins) White Palms (Off the Hook) Mudhoney (The Rose) Tar (Session Track) L7 (Session track) Dawn Chorus (Teenage Kicks) Tar (Session track) Wedding Present (Velvet Underground) Coolies (Mrs. Robinson) Butthole Surfers (Roky Erikson) L7 (Session track) The Shamen (Purple Haze) Tar (Session track) Billy Bragg (The Smiths and Love) L7 (Session track "Lynch the Landlord") Crust (Feelings) Dinarour JR ( Byrds) Tar (Session track) Tape 2 L7 (Session Track) Pixies ( Roebiat?) Jad Fair (Smokey Robinson) God Bullies (Tie a Yellow Ribbon) Sonic Youth (Beef Heart) Sonic Youth (With or without you) Party Dictator (Session track) James (Sunday Morning) Party Dictator (Session track) Bastard Kestrel (Past, Present, and Future) Eugene Chadbourne (In the Fuhrer's Face) Levelers (Eleanor Rigby) Party Dictator (Session track) Ritual Tension? ( Hotel California) Unsane (Session track) Jesus and the Mary Chain (13th Floor Elevators) Galaxie 500 (Don't let our youth go to waste) The Fall (Rolling Danny) Unsane (Session track) Morrissey (East West) From jt.gray@... Sat Jul 19 21:52:01 2008 From: jt.gray@... (John Gray) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:52:01 +0100 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! Message-ID: Excellent news! Well done to all involved - my £20 is on its way via Paypal. And FLAC is fine for me, when things get to that stage. For now, at least the tapes are safe. John Gray From jt.gray@... Sat Jul 19 22:00:29 2008 From: jt.gray@... (John Gray) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:00:29 +0100 Subject: Full Top Gear from 1967 Message-ID: Mr Duff Eddie, many thanks for this show. Astounding to find that such things still exist. I know I had no recording facilities in 1967, and I don't think I knew anyone else who did. I eventually got a cassette machine for my 21st birthday in 1971, but very few of my tapes survive from then, and none are Peel shows. All this pursuit of tapes on ebay has well and truly whetted my appetite! I saw the Top Gear show with the Son House session on your fine site, but the download was no longer available. Any chance of you putting that one back up sometime? John Gray From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Jul 19 22:19:14 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:19:14 -0000 Subject: Cover version programs In-Reply-To: <003901c8e9cc$1ae318f0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: >Hello Alan, You need a sound card to capture the audio. The easiest way is to get an external USB sound card like this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Creative-Soundblaster-Live-24-Bit- External_W0QQitemZ360070257335QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360070257335 You connect the cassette player to the sound card with standard phono cables (those red and black ones) and you connect the sound card to your PC by the USB connection. You then rubn the software that came with your sound card, or a freeware program such as Audacity, play the tape and digitise. To you and all other holders of cassettes, and even 1/4 inch reel- reel tapes, I would be happy to digitise them for you, although I do realise that is a emotional wrench to send them off to someone you don't know. I would return them with a CD of the contents for you. Drop me a line if you want to try a single tape trial. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > er, yeah. > > Unfortunately I'm a virgin in respect of digitising tapes, but I guess it's > time to grasp the nettle and give it a try. > > I've got a box of tapes, Windows XP and a Sony TC-WE475 Stereo cassette > deck. > > What do I do now ?? > > Alan > > PS Just listened to the first part of FF78. Great stuff, and excellent > quality recording. I can't guarantee that mine will be as good. I used to > have terrible FM reception at my previous address, where most of my > recordings were done. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: saipanda > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:57 AM > Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs > > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & > > 2 for each > date) but no tracklistings. > > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions > > by Tar and > L7. > > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on > > 6/7/91 (unless the > tapes are in a different box somewhere) > > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still > > used his > theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the > > Fall", and plays 7 > in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life > and some > others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 > 06:47 From eddie.duffy@... Sat Jul 19 22:42:51 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:42:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re:Full Top Gear from 1967 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488251CB.20803@...> Hi John, You're welcome. I'm also amazed that people had the technology and foresight to record shows of that vintage. As for the '69 and '70 Top Gears, I put all 8 of them up on The Pirate Bay when the sendspace links expired; the link is below. (I'd have used divshare, where the files don't expire, but they were too large.) http://tinyurl.com/2tepbs I have the Son House session in FLAC, so if that's all you were after I'll upload it separately for you. Eddie. John Gray wrote: > > Mr Duff Eddie, many thanks for this show. Astounding to find that > such things still exist. I know I had no recording facilities in > 1967, and I don't think I knew anyone else who did. I eventually got a > cassette machine for my 21st birthday in 1971, but very few of my > tapes survive from then, and none are Peel shows. All this pursuit of > tapes on ebay has well and truly whetted my appetite! I saw the Top > Gear show with the Son House session on your fine site, but the > download was no longer available. Any chance of you putting that one > back up sometime? > > John Gray > > From deedeeramain@... Sat Jul 19 23:55:04 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:55:04 -0000 Subject: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive Message-ID: Chaps, The sentiment behind a permanent archive is great but I personally think the best option is to get them as widely distributed as possible. If there are multiple copies out there then we have a greater chance in future of finding the elusive programmes we are missing. YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out! After the 18 DVDs of stuff I uploaded via BitTorrent, I was thinking I need to create some more Torrents of all the great shows and programmes we've collected since via the Peel community. I presume nobody would object? DeeDee From markbursa@... Sun Jul 20 00:13:19 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:13:19 EDT Subject: [peel] A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive Message-ID: >>YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out!<< Like a lot of folks, I'd prefer to have thm in a better format than MP3. Ideal solution would be a private tracker to which Torrented shows could be uploaded as FLACs (which decode to WAV files very easily) for all group members to download. I'm on another group which has one of these - I'll try and find out how it works - it may be very simple.... Cheers Mark From brian@... Sun Jul 20 00:42:20 2008 From: brian@... (electrophotic) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:42:20 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bill - great stuff. Hearing 'Summertime Blues' reminded me of when I nipped over to Probe Records to buy my copy when it was released - thirty years ago! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This may be a "holy grail", at least until the ebay tapes are sorted. > > It is part 1 of the FF 1978. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast 26 December 1978 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > I have all the other parts, and they will follow when I have finished > mastering them. > > Do we have access to a server where I can upload the Flac files? (and > maybe download some!) > > I don't really like these file store sites as I think it encourages > low bit rate mp3's . (e.g This one is 192kbs) > > I remember recording this and alo the 76 FF(now sadly gone)and I am > absolutely certain there was no 77 show, of any kind, so I don't know > how that FF list for 77 was put together. > > Anyway, back to the 78 show: Most of part 1 is a recap of the 76 > chart, and at almost every link there is a reference to the musical > revolution that had just taken place with punk, contrasting the > charts of 76 with 78. > > Captured on a Nakamichi (speed and azimuth corrected) to 24bit/96khz. > > The work then involves patching the joins (after 45 and 90 mins, as > you might expect on a C90, and making each section sound OK. > > No mean feat on Cheapo cassettes (could not afford TDK back then) > shedding oxide and having been unplayed for at least 25 years, often > requiring much care to digitise well. > > I suppose you could just take the voiceovers and replace the music > with clean new versions, but for me it is about capturing a moment in > time, exactly as broadcast, and often scratches warps and needle > jumps happened, and are referred to, and your ears can get used to > the lower fi recording, which then jumps out at you when a sparkly > newer version is introduced (I had to do it for a patch - I tried to > match the sound to match - see what you think) > > Anyway I have several high end cassettes(5 Naks!) to play back > material, and much professional audio capture gear, plus some skill > at mastering, and a purist agenda to maintain total authenticity, so > please let me digitise some of the ebay shows now they have been won. > > If I am not invited, then please have some strict quality control on > who does it, and how. > > I suggest the missionof this group should be to find, preserve, and > distribute in the highest possible quality, recordings featuring JP" > > Mp3's have their uses (iPods etc), but not to preserve recordings, > which should be 24/96khz masters, saved to 16/44.1khz flac for > lossless distribution, downgraded to mp3 for users personal devices, > if they want it. > > Cheers > > Bill from North Wales > From alan@... Sun Jul 20 01:02:47 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:02:47 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs References: Message-ID: <005b01c8e9f3$907c7760$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> I'm pretty sure mine are complete shows (but I'm missing 6/7/91). Yours may be better sound quality than mine, and you might be able to fill the gaps where the tapes flipped over. I'll try and get on with converting mine. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT HALL To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs ALL I have 2x 90min tapes, edited with the following track lists, I can upload what I have but maybe Alan can put the whole show on. Unless we both make them available we can piece the shows together. Dates seem to be 7/7/91 and 14/7/91 judging from the session tracks Tape 1 Ride (Velvet Underground) Mark Arm (Bob Dylan) Slits (Marvin Gaye) Morrissey (The Jam) Teenage Fan Club (John and Yoko) Ramones (Needles and Pins) White Palms (Off the Hook) Mudhoney (The Rose) Tar (Session Track) L7 (Session track) Dawn Chorus (Teenage Kicks) Tar (Session track) Wedding Present (Velvet Underground) Coolies (Mrs. Robinson) Butthole Surfers (Roky Erikson) L7 (Session track) The Shamen (Purple Haze) Tar (Session track) Billy Bragg (The Smiths and Love) L7 (Session track "Lynch the Landlord") Crust (Feelings) Dinarour JR ( Byrds) Tar (Session track) Tape 2 L7 (Session Track) Pixies ( Roebiat?) Jad Fair (Smokey Robinson) God Bullies (Tie a Yellow Ribbon) Sonic Youth (Beef Heart) Sonic Youth (With or without you) Party Dictator (Session track) James (Sunday Morning) Party Dictator (Session track) Bastard Kestrel (Past, Present, and Future) Eugene Chadbourne (In the Fuhrer's Face) Levelers (Eleanor Rigby) Party Dictator (Session track) Ritual Tension? ( Hotel California) Unsane (Session track) Jesus and the Mary Chain (13th Floor Elevators) Galaxie 500 (Don't let our youth go to waste) The Fall (Rolling Danny) Unsane (Session track) Morrissey (East West) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 18:35 From alan@... Sun Jul 20 01:15:57 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:15:57 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs References: Message-ID: <006101c8e9f5$687d7190$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> I've got Audacity. I thought there might be something more sophisticated. Is the quality of the sound card important? Mine came with the PC Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs >Hello Alan, You need a sound card to capture the audio. The easiest way is to get an external USB sound card like this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Creative-Soundblaster-Live-24-Bit- External_W0QQitemZ360070257335QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360070257335 You connect the cassette player to the sound card with standard phono cables (those red and black ones) and you connect the sound card to your PC by the USB connection. You then rubn the software that came with your sound card, or a freeware program such as Audacity, play the tape and digitise. To you and all other holders of cassettes, and even 1/4 inch reel- reel tapes, I would be happy to digitise them for you, although I do realise that is a emotional wrench to send them off to someone you don't know. I would return them with a CD of the contents for you. Drop me a line if you want to try a single tape trial. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > er, yeah. > > Unfortunately I'm a virgin in respect of digitising tapes, but I guess it's > time to grasp the nettle and give it a try. > > I've got a box of tapes, Windows XP and a Sony TC-WE475 Stereo cassette > deck. > > What do I do now ?? > > Alan > > PS Just listened to the first part of FF78. Great stuff, and excellent > quality recording. I can't guarantee that mine will be as good. I used to > have terrible FM reception at my previous address, where most of my > recordings were done. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: saipanda > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:57 AM > Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs > > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 (Parts 1 & > > 2 for each > date) but no tracklistings. > > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non-cover) sessions > > by Tar and > L7. > > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version shows on > > 6/7/91 (unless the > tapes are in a different box somewhere) > > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun nights, still > > used his > theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at midnight! > > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling aparthied." > > > > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's forgotten the > > Fall", and plays 7 > in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In The Life > and some > others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 > 06:47 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 18:35 From deedeeramain@... Sun Jul 20 02:00:19 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:00:19 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - Paid for!! Message-ID: Chaps and chapesses - the Peel Tapes have now been paid for! PLEASE DON'T SEND ANYMORE MONEY!! Wow - thanks everybody! A very quick response means we raised 445 pounds very quickly by 20 pond submissions (for some wierd PayPal reason the donations came at me in 20.00, 19.02 and 19.12 quantities). One very naughty boy sent 200 quid so what I propose to do is refund the excess to that particular gentleman plus half of the balance so him and I cover the difference between the cost of the tapes and 445 quid between us. Hope that doesn't sound confusing! I got up at 4 this morning to fly back to Saudi and I'm currently pulling a night shift until 6am so I'm starting to hallucinate as you can imagine! I'll post the details of the PayPal payments over the next couple of days to make this completely transparent. Thanks for everyone's support and generosity!! By the way - because nearly 650 quid was paid into my PayPal account I've now got to provide proof to PayPal that I'm not money laundering! Apparently all sorts of bells and whistles go off once your account reaches 1700 pounds and because I'm nearly half way there they need to have a chat with me! Doh! DeeDee From alan@... Sun Jul 20 02:19:36 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:19:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - Paid for!! References: Message-ID: <007501c8e9fe$4e8ae6b0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Haven't paid my share yet. Let me know if there's any further expenses. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: deedeeramain To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - Paid for!! Chaps and chapesses - the Peel Tapes have now been paid for! PLEASE DON'T SEND ANYMORE MONEY!! Wow - thanks everybody! A very quick response means we raised 445 pounds very quickly by 20 pond submissions (for some wierd PayPal reason the donations came at me in 20.00, 19.02 and 19.12 quantities). One very naughty boy sent 200 quid so what I propose to do is refund the excess to that particular gentleman plus half of the balance so him and I cover the difference between the cost of the tapes and 445 quid between us. Hope that doesn't sound confusing! I got up at 4 this morning to fly back to Saudi and I'm currently pulling a night shift until 6am so I'm starting to hallucinate as you can imagine! I'll post the details of the PayPal payments over the next couple of days to make this completely transparent. Thanks for everyone's support and generosity!! By the way - because nearly 650 quid was paid into my PayPal account I've now got to provide proof to PayPal that I'm not money laundering! Apparently all sorts of bells and whistles go off once your account reaches 1700 pounds and because I'm nearly half way there they need to have a chat with me! Doh! DeeDee No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 18:35 From wewalkforonereason@... Sun Jul 20 03:38:03 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:38:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BitTorrent tracker is a piece of piss. I've set up a domain that should be fairly easy to remember: http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ There a few and ifs and buts to this; this is running on my old desktop PC and tends to be available most of the time, however: * A login is required for upload (but not for download); e-mail me in order to obtain a login. * Lossless only. All torrents to include flac fingerprints and / or md5s. * Do NOT disseminate information or .torrent files that are tied to this tracker outside of this list. Spread the files, by all means, but NOT the dot-torrent files or the URL. Doing so will draw unwanted traffic and impact my ability to use the internet in the way to which I am accustomed. It will also attract wankers that will try to upload warez and mp3s. Repeat: DO NOT publicise the URL outside the list or share dot-torrent file obtained from jah-peel.no-ip.org. OK? DO NOT. If I find myself in a position of not being able to provide near 24-hour availability for the tracker I am entirely happy to offer advice on setting up a tracker. For now, this should do. 2008/7/19 : > > >>>YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out!<< > > > > Like a lot of folks, I'd prefer to have thm in a better format than MP3. > > Ideal solution would be a private tracker to which Torrented shows could be > uploaded as FLACs (which decode to WAV files very easily) for all group > members to download. > > I'm on another group which has one of these - I'll try and find out how it > works - it may be very simple.... From belphegore@... Sun Jul 20 08:50:07 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:50:07 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - Paid for!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also havn't paid my share. As I wrote have no pay pal account. If you need my share or for a decreasing the share of rest, let me know... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "deedeeramain" wrote: > > Chaps and chapesses - the Peel Tapes have now been paid for! > > PLEASE DON'T SEND ANYMORE MONEY!! > > Wow - thanks everybody! A very quick response means we raised 445 > pounds very quickly by 20 pond submissions (for some wierd PayPal > reason the donations came at me in 20.00, 19.02 and 19.12 > quantities). > > One very naughty boy sent 200 quid so what I propose to do is refund > the excess to that particular gentleman plus half of the balance so > him and I cover the difference between the cost of the tapes and 445 > quid between us. Hope that doesn't sound confusing! > > I got up at 4 this morning to fly back to Saudi and I'm currently > pulling a night shift until 6am so I'm starting to hallucinate as > you can imagine! > > I'll post the details of the PayPal payments over the next couple of > days to make this completely transparent. > > Thanks for everyone's support and generosity!! > > By the way - because nearly 650 quid was paid into my PayPal account > I've now got to provide proof to PayPal that I'm not money > laundering! Apparently all sorts of bells and whistles go off once > your account reaches 1700 pounds and because I'm nearly half way > there they need to have a chat with me! Doh! > > DeeDee > From saipanda@... Sun Jul 20 09:49:27 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:49:27 -0000 Subject: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think an element of overlapping is fine as this will give more people the chance to share and hopefully ensure nothing goes astray. For example: In the short term, uploads via Megaupload, Rapidshare, JustSentIt, etc, so people on the list can quickly get access to the latest things to be digitalized from our haul, without immediately overloading any central repository/server, in whatever form that might take. Maybe such "rush releases" could be in formats other than FLAC if it makes it easier/faster to upload/download. Agree everything should also be uploaded or otherwise collected in FLAC form to a central archive. In the longer term, people might make their own dvd copies or whatever from this archive, to ensure multiple full sets are maintained (to cover possible crashes or whatever). People might also want to sort out copy one/post one chains via post for the same reason. Once everything has been digitized and sorted, I'm with DeeDee on the idea of releasing torrents, etc, to ensure wider distribution. Think his 17 DVD set epic a while back was a big success. Of course, individuals putting material up on websites, peer to peer, etc, should also be fine. In the end of the day, once this is all rolling, Ken can approach the BBC as suggested and see if they want anything for their own archives. Or something like that anyway... On the cash front, DeeDee, I'm glad you've managed to get it all together so quickly (sorry about the grief from Paypal!). Suggest any surplus might be used to cover postage from Rocker to folks doing copying -- if this is the best way to get tapes to people. I'm happy to come up with a bit more to pay such expenses. Rocker, would it be an idea for people to get in touch with you direct to confirm their availability for copying and then taking it from there once the tapes are in hand? My apologies again for my own lack of availability on the other side of the world. Many thanks to everyone on all this! Cheers, Steve W PS Good luck to Alan with digitizing the Cover Versions shows. Don't have Windows myself, but hopefully shouldn't prove too tricky. Can't wait to hear the results. From festive50@... Sun Jul 20 10:46:16 2008 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:46:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just PP'd my �200. Cheers Dee Dee Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of michael stoecker Sent: 19 July 2008 07:15 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! My 20's paid in the pot. Michael S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: saipanda@... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:28:41 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! I had a problem reading this with my software to start with as well. This should be right -- and hopefully will be readable for everyone: mike_hyde@... Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All > I'm getting onscreen is > > mike_hyde@ > From wewalkforonereason@... Sun Jul 20 12:54:19 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:54:19 +0100 Subject: MIR sessions (was A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive) Message-ID: I've made a couple of changes: http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ You cannot download without registering. If you wish to enter a fake / non-existent e-mail address, by all means do so. If you wish to upload a torrent, you MUST register with a genuine e-mail address, then e-mail me from your registered address, advise me of your registered name, and I will grant uploader status. I have put up my off-air masters of 5 Misty In Roots sessions (plus a recent 6 Music 160kbps mp2 collection for 1980-09-15). 2008/7/20 Alasdair Macdonald : > BitTorrent tracker is a piece of piss. > > I've set up a domain that should be fairly easy to remember: > > http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ > > There a few and ifs and buts to this; this is running on my old > desktop PC and tends to be available most of the time, however: > > * A login is required for upload (but not for download); e-mail me in > order to obtain a login. > > * Lossless only. All torrents to include flac fingerprints and / or md5s. > > * Do NOT disseminate information or .torrent files that are tied to > this tracker outside of this list. Spread the files, by all means, but > NOT the dot-torrent files or the URL. Doing so will draw unwanted > traffic and impact my ability to use the internet in the way to which > I am accustomed. It will also attract wankers that will try to upload > warez and mp3s. Repeat: DO NOT publicise the URL outside the list or > share dot-torrent file obtained from jah-peel.no-ip.org. OK? DO NOT. > > If I find myself in a position of not being able to provide near > 24-hour availability for the tracker I am entirely happy to offer > advice on setting up a tracker. For now, this should do. > > 2008/7/19 : >> >> >>>>YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out!<< >> >> >> >> Like a lot of folks, I'd prefer to have thm in a better format than MP3. >> >> Ideal solution would be a private tracker to which Torrented shows could be >> uploaded as FLACs (which decode to WAV files very easily) for all group >> members to download. >> >> I'm on another group which has one of these - I'll try and find out how it >> works - it may be very simple.... > From billfromnorthwales@... Sun Jul 20 12:54:19 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:54:19 -0000 Subject: Cover version programs In-Reply-To: <006101c8e9f5$687d7190$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Hello Alan, Yes the sound card quality is important, but so is the cassette player, cables, and capture format. Everything is a link in the quality chain. But let's get them digitised first, then we can revisit them later if we have to. Just give it a go with these tips. 1. Capture at the best rate your card allows to wav format. The minimum should be 16 bit 44.1 khz. 2. Don't capture at too high a level. Or too low a level. Look at a waveform from a CD track for comparison. Either Audacity or Windows mixer alow you to change the record level. It's exactly the same as when you did cassette recordings (too high = distortion, too low = noise) 3. When you have your master recording, save to mp3 (or flac) for distribution. 4. Feel a warm glow as you release your unique recordings to eager fans Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > I've got Audacity. I thought there might be something more sophisticated. > Is the quality of the sound card important? Mine came with the PC > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: billfromnorthwales > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:19 PM > Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs > > > >Hello Alan, > > You need a sound card to capture the audio. > > The easiest way is to get an external USB sound card like this > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Creative-Soundblaster-Live-24-Bit- > External_W0QQitemZ360070257335QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360070257335 > > You connect the cassette player to the sound card with standard phono > cables (those red and black ones) and you connect the sound card to > your PC by the USB connection. > > You then rubn the software that came with your sound card, or a > freeware program such as Audacity, play the tape and digitise. > > To you and all other holders of cassettes, and even 1/4 inch reel- > reel tapes, I would be happy to digitise them for you, although I do > realise that is a emotional wrench to send them off to someone you > don't know. > > I would return them with a CD of the contents for you. > > Drop me a line if you want to try a single tape trial. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > > > er, yeah. > > > > Unfortunately I'm a virgin in respect of digitising tapes, but I > guess it's > > time to grasp the nettle and give it a try. > > > > I've got a box of tapes, Windows XP and a Sony TC-WE475 Stereo > cassette > > deck. > > > > What do I do now ?? > > > > Alan > > > > PS Just listened to the first part of FF78. Great stuff, and > excellent > > quality recording. I can't guarantee that mine will be as good. I > used to > > have terrible FM reception at my previous address, where most of my > > recordings were done. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: saipanda > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:57 AM > > Subject: [peel] Re: Cover version programs > > > > > > >> Wow, these sound brilliant. Any chance of sharing them? > > > > Steve W > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > > > > > I have 6 tapes of Cover Version Shows 7/7/91, 13/7/91, 14/7/91 > (Parts 1 & > > > 2 for each > > date) but no tracklistings. > > > I last played them in 2005 and emailed the group at the time: > > > > > > "Listened to 7/7/91 today; some good stuff on it, inc (non- cover) > sessions > > > by Tar and > > L7. > > > It seems I missed the first installment of the cover version > shows on > > > 6/7/91 (unless the > > tapes are in a different box somewhere) > > > In those days John had 3-hour shows (11 - 2) on Sat and Sun > nights, still > > > used his > > theme tune; and had to say goodbye to medium wave listeners at > midnight! > > > And in the news was a story about S. Africa dismantling > aparthied." > > > > > > > > > "And then John says "I bet you're thinking the old fool's > forgotten the > > > Fall", and plays 7 > > in a row, inc White Lightning, Ghost In My House, Victoria, Day In > The Life > > and some > > others which I hadn't even realised were covers." > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: > 18/07/2008 > > 06:47 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 18/07/2008 18:35 > From wewalkforonereason@... Sun Jul 20 13:09:22 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:09:22 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: MIR sessions (was A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm happy you are happy, but: Please don't SHOUT Please, if you are going to write my name, spell it correctly. 2008/7/20 billfromnorthwales : > EXCELLENT > > MANY THANKS ALISTAIR > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" > wrote: >> >> I've made a couple of changes: >> >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ From eddie.duffy@... Sun Jul 20 14:00:11 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:00:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: MIR sessions (was A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488328CB.8060501@...> Thanks Alasdair, Hey, Bill just forgot to check his noise levels that time, that's all... Eddie. Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > I'm happy you are happy, but: > > Please don't SHOUT > > Please, if you are going to write my name, spell it correctly. > > 2008/7/20 billfromnorthwales >: > > EXCELLENT > > > > MANY THANKS ALISTAIR > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > "Alasdair Macdonald" > > wrote: > >> > >> I've made a couple of changes: > >> > >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ > > > From chachaman2k@... Sun Jul 20 15:08:47 2008 From: chachaman2k@... (mollythecat63) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:08:47 -0000 Subject: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi I also wanted to pay my £20 worth. I would also like to help in the conversion of the tapes. I have an Apple Mac running Peak Pro Ver 5, and an Alesis Digital mixing desk to put it through. I can also make DAT copies if these are needed for back up. I'm will to help in any way possible. Thanks Chandy --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Edwards" wrote: > > Just PP'd my £200. > Cheers Dee Dee > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > michael stoecker > Sent: 19 July 2008 07:15 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! > > > My 20's paid in the pot. > > Michael S. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > -- > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > From: saipanda@... > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:28:41 +0000 > Subject: [peel] Re: John Peel tapes on Ebay - SECURED!!! > > > I had a problem reading this with my software to start with as well. This > should be right -- > and hopefully will be readable for everyone: > > mike_hyde@... > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > > > Sorry for being a bit dim, but just what is the account address? All > > I'm getting onscreen is > > > > mike_hyde@ > > > From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 20 15:56:34 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:56:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds good to me. I suggest that on top of this, those of us doing the ripping might like to upload compressed versions (say mp3 @ a minimum of 192 kbs) for the benefit of the bandwidth challenged, to Rapidshare, MegaUpload etc. That way everyone is kept happy. On 20/07/2008 02:38, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > > > BitTorrent tracker is a piece of piss. > > I've set up a domain that should be fairly easy to remember: > > http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ > > There a few and ifs and buts to this; this is running on my old > desktop PC and tends to be available most of the time, however: > > * A login is required for upload (but not for download); e-mail me in > order to obtain a login. > > * Lossless only. All torrents to include flac fingerprints and / or md5s. > > * Do NOT disseminate information or .torrent files that are tied to > this tracker outside of this list. Spread the files, by all means, but > NOT the dot-torrent files or the URL. Doing so will draw unwanted > traffic and impact my ability to use the internet in the way to which > I am accustomed. It will also attract wankers that will try to upload > warez and mp3s. Repeat: DO NOT publicise the URL outside the list or > share dot-torrent file obtained from jah-peel.no-ip.org. OK? DO NOT. > > If I find myself in a position of not being able to provide near > 24-hour availability for the tracker I am entirely happy to offer > advice on setting up a tracker. For now, this should do. > > 2008/7/19 >: >> > >> > >>>> >>>YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out!<< >> > >> > >> > >> > Like a lot of folks, I'd prefer to have thm in a better format than MP3. >> > >> > Ideal solution would be a private tracker to which Torrented shows could be >> > uploaded as FLACs (which decode to WAV files very easily) for all group >> > members to download. >> > >> > I'm on another group which has one of these - I'll try and find out how it >> > works - it may be very simple.... > > From belphegore@... Sun Jul 20 18:03:50 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:03:50 -0000 Subject: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone could decode the files in his preferred format? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > Sounds good to me. > I suggest that on top of this, those of us doing the ripping might like to > upload compressed versions (say mp3 @ a minimum of 192 kbs) for the benefit > of the bandwidth challenged, to Rapidshare, MegaUpload etc. That way > everyone is kept happy. > > > On 20/07/2008 02:38, "Alasdair Macdonald" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > BitTorrent tracker is a piece of piss. > > > > I've set up a domain that should be fairly easy to remember: > > > > http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ > > > > There a few and ifs and buts to this; this is running on my old > > desktop PC and tends to be available most of the time, however: > > > > * A login is required for upload (but not for download); e-mail me in > > order to obtain a login. > > > > * Lossless only. All torrents to include flac fingerprints and / or md5s. > > > > * Do NOT disseminate information or .torrent files that are tied to > > this tracker outside of this list. Spread the files, by all means, but > > NOT the dot-torrent files or the URL. Doing so will draw unwanted > > traffic and impact my ability to use the internet in the way to which > > I am accustomed. It will also attract wankers that will try to upload > > warez and mp3s. Repeat: DO NOT publicise the URL outside the list or > > share dot-torrent file obtained from jah-peel.no-ip.org. OK? DO NOT. > > > > If I find myself in a position of not being able to provide near > > 24-hour availability for the tracker I am entirely happy to offer > > advice on setting up a tracker. For now, this should do. > > > > 2008/7/19 >: > >> > > >> > > >>>> >>>YouSendIt, MegaUpload, BitTorrent etc - let's pump 'em out!<< > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Like a lot of folks, I'd prefer to have thm in a better format than MP3. > >> > > >> > Ideal solution would be a private tracker to which Torrented shows could be > >> > uploaded as FLACs (which decode to WAV files very easily) for all group > >> > members to download. > >> > > >> > I'm on another group which has one of these - I'll try and find out how it > >> > works - it may be very simple.... > > > > > From markbursa@... Sun Jul 20 18:37:09 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:37:09 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive Message-ID: >>I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone could decode the files in his preferred format?<< I agree - otherwise things get too complicated. Mark From deedeeramain@... Sun Jul 20 18:51:51 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:51:51 -0000 Subject: Of interest from todays Torygraph Message-ID: "Virulent 'tape mould' destroying family memories and museum archives" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2309400/Virulent-%27tape-mould% 27-destroying-family-memories-and-museum-archives.html Good job we've already started our digitising project! DeeDee From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 20 19:04:00 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:04:00 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, we are all free to convert to whatever, once we¹ve got the files, but you have to download them first! I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that¹s a shitload of downloading time if they¹re only available as .flacs. I was suggesting this as an option for those rippers who feel so inclined. I¹m happy to do it, if there is a call for it, so if there is anyone here who doesn¹t have a lot of spare bandwidth, please chime in, Cheers Roger On 20/07/2008 17:37, "markbursa@...m" wrote: > > > > >>>> >>I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone >> could decode the files in his preferred format?<< > I agree - otherwise things get too complicated. > > Mark > > > > > From markbursa@... Sun Jul 20 19:07:35 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:07:35 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive Message-ID: >>I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that’s a shitload of downloading time if they’re only available as .flacs.<< Is anybody really still on dial-up these days? Just curious... Mark From wewalkforonereason@... Sun Jul 20 19:07:54 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:07:54 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger - Those who wish to convert the original flacs to mp3 or ogg or iPod formats or whatever they wish are of course free to do so. If that includes posting them to other sites where the bandwidth-challenged can more easily access them, that is fine too. There should be no question of the primary source being a lossless format - ie flac. 2008/7/20 Roger Carruthers : > Yes, we are all free to convert to whatever, once we've got the files, but > you have to download them first! > I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that's a > shitload of downloading time if they're only available as .flacs. > I was suggesting this as an option for those rippers who feel so inclined. > I'm happy to do it, if there is a call for it, so if there is anyone here > who doesn't have a lot of spare bandwidth, please chime in, > Cheers > Roger > > > > On 20/07/2008 17:37, "markbursa@..." wrote: > > > > > >>>I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone > could decode the files in his preferred format?<< > > I agree - otherwise things get too complicated. From paul@... Sun Jul 20 19:25:00 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:25:00 0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive Message-ID: I see a possibility of multiple multi-dvd "trees" to distribute shows. Each person copying the tapes (and remembering to use something like Audacity to change the speed to get the duration right - which I see as potentially even more important to most listeners than having an exact audio copy of the material) could burn a DVD of a handful of shows and pass it on to 3 others who then each copy the contents and burn 3 more copies each and post them on etc etc. I also volunteer for copying and distribution duty. Paul Webster Roger Carruthers wrote: __________ > Re: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive > Yes, we are all free to convert to whatever, once we#8217;ve got the files, but you have to download them first! > I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that#8217;s a shitload of downloading time if they#8217;re only available as .flacs. > I was suggesting this as an option for those rippers who feel so inclined. I#8217;m happy to do it, if there is a call for it, so if there is anyone here who doesn#8217;t have a lot of spare bandwidth, please chime in, > Cheers > Roger > > > > On 20/07/2008 17:37, markbursa@... markbursa@... wrote: > > > > > > I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone > could decode the files in his preferred format? > I agree - otherwise things get too complicated. > > Mark > > > > > > --- message truncated --- From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 20 21:31:58 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:31:58 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exactly. As I said two posts ago (italics added): ³I suggest that on top of this, those of us doing the ripping might like to upload compressed versions² On 20/07/2008 18:07, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > > > Roger - > > Those who wish to convert the original flacs to mp3 or ogg or iPod > formats or whatever they wish are of course free to do so. If that > includes posting them to other sites where the bandwidth-challenged > can more easily access them, that is fine too. > > There should be no question of the primary source being a lossless > format - ie flac. > > 2008/7/20 Roger Carruthers >: >> > Yes, we are all free to convert to whatever, once we've got the files, but >> > you have to download them first! >> > I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that's a >> > shitload of downloading time if they're only available as .flacs. >> > I was suggesting this as an option for those rippers who feel so inclined. >> > I'm happy to do it, if there is a call for it, so if there is anyone here >> > who doesn't have a lot of spare bandwidth, please chime in, >> > Cheers >> > Roger >> > >> > >> > >> > On 20/07/2008 17:37, "markbursa@... " >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> >>>I thought we do a flac rip so really everyone is happy and everyone >> > could decode the files in his preferred format?<< >> > >> > I agree - otherwise things get too complicated. > > From martinw@... Mon Jul 21 00:27:26 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:27:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 18:07 20/07/2008, you wrote: > > >>I was just thinking of the people on slower > connections, for whom that’s a shitload of > downloading time if they’re only available as .flacs.<< > >Is anybody really still on dial-up these days? > >Just curious... > >Mark Not many but on the other hand the days of unlimited downloads for the private user are gone. Most of us are on plans with not especially generous download allowances Also there are some ISPs who block torrents. FTP access is more old fashioned but may be accessible to more My experience on another list where I have put up some files in mp3 which previously had been in flac is that the mp3 versions got many more downloads. The silent majority are not audiophiles! Obviously your archive should be in flac because other formats can be created from that. The ideal thing would be to have a server with flac files and then add mp3 files to each one so people have a convenient choice but I realise that is going to take a lot of time and work From belphegore@... Mon Jul 21 10:07:24 2008 From: belphegore@... (Stefan Lingnau) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:07:24 -0000 Subject: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't imagine that. And I presume the most users have also flat rates, isn't it? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: > > > > > >>I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom that’s a > shitload of downloading time if they’re only available as .flacs.<< > > > Is anybody really still on dial-up these days? > > Just curious... > > Mark > From markonnewsgroups@... Mon Jul 21 10:12:59 2008 From: markonnewsgroups@... (markonnewsgroups) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:12:59 -0000 Subject: MIR sessions (was A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > I've made a couple of changes: > > http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ Thank you very much for this! - I'm d/ling Misty In Roots as I type. Mark, UK. From wewalkforonereason@... Mon Jul 21 10:27:33 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:27:33 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Even" broadband connections tend to have transfer limits, sometimes hidden in their Acceptable Use policies. For demon, for instance, I believe it is currently 50 or 60G (download) per month. 2008/7/21 Stefan Lingnau : > I can't imagine that. And I presume the most users have also flat > rates, isn't it? > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@... wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>I was just thinking of the people on slower connections, for whom > that's a >> shitload of downloading time if they're only available as .flacs.<< >> >> >> Is anybody really still on dial-up these days? From burzyk@... Mon Jul 21 11:50:47 2008 From: burzyk@... (Piotr) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:50:47 -0000 Subject: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya, I'd like to dedicate 50 Gb of disk space and 250 GB of monthly transfer for the archive. Direct links to the files should probably be hosted on the blogs of the good members of this fine group. Give me a shout if that's something that would be useful to keep John's work alive. Cheers, Piotr From paul@... Mon Jul 21 15:43:47 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:43:47 +0100 Subject: Linton Kwesi Johnson - BBC Radio 4 22/Jul/2008 11:30 Message-ID: <6A33FA84226945B488A9FC6F0E87F1DC@...> Tought this might interest a few folks here. Dread, Beat an Blood BBC Radio Four Tuesday 22nd July 2008 11:30 to 12:00 Benjamin Zephaniah reassesses dub poet Linton Kwesi Johnson's 1978 debut album. Dread Beat an' Blood expressed the black British experience as it had never been heard before. Using his trademark spoken word style set to an instrumental reggae beat, the record voiced the frustration of a generation. Linton discusses the issues he tackled on the record, such as police harassment, the National Front and the criminal justice system. Thirty years on, how much has changed? Paul Webster From hubcity@... Mon Jul 21 16:00:18 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:00:18 -0400 Subject: [peel] John Peel tapes on Ebay - Paid for!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721135925.M72524@...> All, I'll be happy to shunt my resources over to the care and feeding of the archive, then - good news! (Still waiting for my money to be transferred *in* to the PayPal account...grr...) -Sean On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:00:19 -0000, deedeeramain wrote > Chaps and chapesses - the Peel Tapes have now been paid for! > > PLEASE DON'T SEND ANYMORE MONEY!! > > Wow - thanks everybody! A very quick response means we raised 445 > pounds very quickly by 20 pond submissions (for some wierd PayPal > reason the donations came at me in 20.00, 19.02 and 19.12 > quantities). > > One very naughty boy sent 200 quid so what I propose to do is refund > the excess to that particular gentleman plus half of the balance so > him and I cover the difference between the cost of the tapes and 445 > quid between us. Hope that doesn't sound confusing! > > I got up at 4 this morning to fly back to Saudi and I'm currently > pulling a night shift until 6am so I'm starting to hallucinate as > you can imagine! > > I'll post the details of the PayPal payments over the next couple of > days to make this completely transparent. > > Thanks for everyone's support and generosity!! > > By the way - because nearly 650 quid was paid into my PayPal account > I've now got to provide proof to PayPal that I'm not money > laundering! Apparently all sorts of bells and whistles go off once > your account reaches 1700 pounds and because I'm nearly half way > there they need to have a chat with me! Doh! > > DeeDee > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From r0bertward@... Mon Jul 21 16:28:05 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: A Peel Repository / Permanent Archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <433534.13885.qm@...> Has anybody mentioned the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=%22john%20peel%22   They already have some JP bits up there, and I know they keep vast quantities of other radio shows  http://www.archive.org/details/cftp-2000   may be worth contacting for a bulk upload   robw From jt.gray@... Tue Jul 22 21:05:13 2008 From: jt.gray@... (John Gray) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:05:13 +0100 Subject: Full Top Gear from 1967 Message-ID: Thanks for the link Eddie - have downloaded all these shows, You truly are a star! Haven't had a chance to listen yet - problems with bathroom and plumbers to resolve as a priority at the moment. Next stop my ipod I think. MP3s fine by the way, don't bother with the FLAC for Son House. Cheers John Gray From k.j.beech@... Tue Jul 22 21:15:36 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:15:36 -0000 Subject: festive 50 1985 Message-ID: can remember if i ever posted this?? so here goes http://rapidshare.com/files/131671901/festive_50_1985_part_1_tape15a_.ra r.html http://rapidshare.com/files/131676319/festive_50_1985_part_2__tape15b_.r ar.html kev From andrewianfox33@... Tue Jul 22 21:20:08 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:20:08 -0000 Subject: wanted for my ipod peel playlist, the model Message-ID: must be a 12 inch version, in german prefered or some other foriegn language, in any electronic format, i have a 12 hour program playlist and a 17 hour playlist which is the 12 hour plus the last night of the perfumed garden which is funny as the PG is in separate tracks with the next track introed at the end of tracks, and i play on shuffle repeat, so the next announced track doesnt happen and something else does!! i really feel John would approve, in fact he pioneered that ?? also i have a cut down 2 hour program which was hard to pick (down) but includes Bhundu Boys and Altered Images and the Misunderstood..... shows my age .... any file or link or help would be appreciated cheers andrew From k.j.beech@... Tue Jul 22 21:25:31 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:25:31 -0000 Subject: festive 50 1985 Message-ID: http://rapidshare.com/files/77503433/festive_50_1985_part_5__tape_17a_.M P3 http://rapidshare.com/files/77512158/festive_50_1985_part_6__tape17b_.MP 3 do these links still work??? kev.. From tb666xx@... Tue Jul 22 21:34:08 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <905706.9175.qm@...> http://bricksandmortar79.blogspot.com/ not 100% peel-centric, but there will be plenty of peel coming up - need to work out how to post up audio and I will host some of the new finds... as well as other music.... check it out From roger.carruthers@... Tue Jul 22 21:39:31 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:39:31 +0100 Subject: [peel] festive 50 1985 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Working here! Many thanks, Roger On 22/07/2008 20:25, "bty455834" wrote: > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/77503433/festive_50_1985_part_5__tape_17a_.M > P3 > > http://rapidshare.com/files/77512158/festive_50_1985_part_6__tape17b_.MP > 3 > > do these links still work??? > > kev.. > > > From alan@... Tue Jul 22 22:38:24 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:38:24 +0100 Subject: [peel] festive 50 1985 References: Message-ID: <008601c8ec3a$e4104930$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Ditto Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Carruthers To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [peel] festive 50 1985 Working here! Many thanks, Roger On 22/07/2008 20:25, "bty455834" wrote: http://rapidshare.com/files/77503433/festive_50_1985_part_5__tape_17a_.M P3 http://rapidshare.com/files/77512158/festive_50_1985_part_6__tape17b_.MP 3 do these links still work??? kev.. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 22/07/2008 06:00 From deedeeramain@... Tue Jul 22 23:11:31 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (deedeeramain) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:11:31 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes - Contributions list Message-ID: Hello all! As promised, I'll provide a list of contributions to the recent Ebay John Peel Shoe Box Tape Bonanza! Totalling up the sum of payments for the Peel tapes on Ebay, we got 464.24 pounds in roughly 20 pound increments (for some reason the payments came to me as 20.0, 19.02 and 19.12 pounds). Cost of the tapes was 529 pounds leaving a shortfall of 64.76 pounds. Gary Smith and I split the difference between us and I refunded the rest of Gary's mega contribution. (I thought it best if we wrap up the sale of the tapes here. Other people wanted to contribute but didn't have a PayPal account etc so I'm hoping there will be volunteers if Rocker needs a postage+packing fund) I'm going to post a couple of pics (screenshots) showing the payments coming into my PayPal account. Thanks everybody for your generosity - look forward to hearing the fruits of our endeavour! DeeDee From peel@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 22 23:16:38 2008 From: peel@yahoogroups.com (peel@yahoogroups.com) Date: 22 Jul 2008 21:16:38 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to peel Message-ID: <1216761398.1680.6396.w112@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the peel group. File : /PeelTapesPayPalContribs.zip Uploaded by : deedeeramain Description : Ebay Peel Tape PayPal Contributions You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/files/PeelTapesPayPalContribs.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, deedeeramain From philip.gh@... Wed Jul 23 07:17:55 2008 From: philip.gh@... (phil) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:17:55 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes - Contributions list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm in that category so I'll contact Rocker to see if I can contribute to the P&P fund Phil From thebarguest@... Wed Jul 23 11:37:28 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:37:28 -0000 Subject: festive 50 1985 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks - don't think I've got these... Excellent stuff. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > can remember if i ever posted this?? > > so here goes > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/131671901/festive_50_1985_part_1_tape15a_. ra > r.html > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/131676319/festive_50_1985_part_2__tape15b_ .r > ar.html > > > > kev > From so_it_goes_2512@... Wed Jul 23 18:40:30 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:40:30 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Message-ID: Fellow Peelites All the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence. Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well represented by the Web. Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect From k.j.beech@... Wed Jul 23 18:42:25 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:42:25 -0000 Subject: last bit of festive 50 1985 Message-ID: http://rapidshare.com/files/131867420/festive_50_1985_part_3_tape_16a_.r ar.html http://rapidshare.com/files/131887699/festive_50_1985_part_4__tape16b_.r ar.html last bit kev From i50bar@... Wed Jul 23 18:50:16 2008 From: i50bar@... (Mark Webb) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:50:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] festive 50 1985 References: Message-ID: <004601c8ece4$302a5b40$f7765651@mark8225c28340> You have to paste the whole link into address bar. ----- Original Message ----- From: bty455834 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: [peel] festive 50 1985 http://rapidshare.com/files/77503433/festive_50_1985_part_5__tape_17a_.M P3 http://rapidshare.com/files/77512158/festive_50_1985_part_6__tape17b_.MP 3 do these links still work??? kev.. From jt.gray@... Wed Jul 23 20:57:32 2008 From: jt.gray@... (john183940) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:57:32 -0000 Subject: Son House story Message-ID: Nothing to do with Peel, just something I heard on the radio which might be of interest to those of you who enjoyed Duff Eddies goodies. Out in the car recently and struggling to find something worthwhile to listen to on the radio, I chanced upon Smooth Radio, who had a programme about Howling Wolf (the old smoothie!). Apparently some of the groups who hit the big time in the 60s R&B boom wanted to get recognition for their inspirations. Bill Wyman said that the Stones agreed to one US gig only on the understanding that Howling Wolf would also be booked to appear. Sure enough at rehearsals the 'giant bear' figure of Wolf showed up, with another black guy carrying his bags. And if you hadn't guessed by now, on asking who the other guy was, the Stones were told - none other than Son House! John Gray From neil_jenkins.geo@... Wed Jul 23 21:20:20 2008 From: neil_jenkins.geo@... (Neil Jenkins) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes - Contributions list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <740784.82550.qm@...> Well, like an arse I was quick to pledge £20 but without bothering to find out how and when to make it available.  Therefore, if any secondary support is needed (such as the 'Rocker Postage & Packing' fund you mentioned!) then count me in. Well done on getting those tapes, everyone.  Nicely done! Cheers, Neil Dandelion Radio The internet radio station inspired by John Peel Independent - Original - Uncompromising --- On Tue, 22/7/08, deedeeramain wrote: From: deedeeramain Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes - Contributions list To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 11:11 PM Hello all! As promised, I'll provide a list of contributions to the recent Ebay John Peel Shoe Box Tape Bonanza! Totalling up the sum of payments for the Peel tapes on Ebay, we got 464.24 pounds in roughly 20 pound increments (for some reason the payments came to me as 20.0, 19.02 and 19.12 pounds). Cost of the tapes was 529 pounds leaving a shortfall of 64.76 pounds. Gary Smith and I split the difference between us and I refunded the rest of Gary's mega contribution. (I thought it best if we wrap up the sale of the tapes here. Other people wanted to contribute but didn't have a PayPal account etc so I'm hoping there will be volunteers if Rocker needs a postage+packing fund) I'm going to post a couple of pics (screenshots) showing the payments coming into my PayPal account. Thanks everybody for your generosity - look forward to hearing the fruits of our endeavour! DeeDee __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From saipanda@... Wed Jul 23 21:20:30 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:20:30 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Steve, Good point about the missing years, although think you may be might be missing a few odd things lurking in DeeDee's torrents, particularly in torrents 8 and 9 and the Finnish radio material. Like I said, though, think it's a pretty valid point. I seem to have a few shows not on the torrents, so will try and upload a few of these while we wait for the 400 tape 78-82 epic to unwind if I can sort out what hasn't been been done here before or on torrents in recent times. Sorry in advance for any repetitions. First up -- not sure where this came from but thanks to the original taper and uploader - - two files for a total one hour of the show on 13 September 1983 (sessions from 3D and the Popticians): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AJC17TSL Hope this isn't the 1983 show you already have, Steve! Thanks for Teenage Kicks. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > All the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to > reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect > on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of > you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members > here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by > their absence. > Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which > Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of > shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock > Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, > one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are > extremely well represented by the Web. > Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of > ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some > gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect > From john.bravin@... Wed Jul 23 21:27:36 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:27:36 +0200 Subject: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48878628.3080302@...> Back from a vacation amazed at the email activity over the last two weeks. Congratulations to all those who orchestrated the eBay purchase. Wonderful news. Regarding the missing years I had hoped to report I had the missing 1976 Festive Fifty (and I still think I do, except that it is probably in a box in the attic marked children's tapes mixed with the Best of Postman Pat and The Hungry Caterpillar). But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet they have complete recordings of their own selections among others from 1977. I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as possible. And in due time I have some more 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989 ... Not so many as the eBay goldmine, but there are lots of memorable Peel links, about loathsome Finns, Container Drivers (the Fall version), and songs that make him cry etc John Steve wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > All the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to > reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect > on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of > you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members > here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by > their absence. > Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which > Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of > shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock > Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, > one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are > extremely well represented by the Web. > Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of > ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some > gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect > From roger.carruthers@... Wed Jul 23 21:33:34 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:33:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice. John Hegley & the Popticians are playing at The Big Chill next week ­ in the kids tent! That¹ll be my turn to look after the kids, then :-) (Rest assured, I will have my trusty R09 in hand...) Anyone else here going, btw...? Cheers Roger On 23/07/2008 20:20, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > First up -- not sure where this came from but thanks to the original taper and > uploader - > - two files for a total one hour of the show on 13 September 1983 (sessions > from 3D and > the Popticians): > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AJC17TSL > > Hope this isn't the 1983 show you already have, Steve! Thanks for Teenage > Kicks. > > Cheers, > > Steve W From alan@... Wed Jul 23 22:28:15 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:28:15 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? References: Message-ID: <002201c8ed02$a43d2fd0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> R09? Would that be a recording device by any chance?? I hope they do "I saw my dinner on TV" - a classic ! Unfortunately they didn't do it in session. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Carruthers To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Nice. John Hegley & the Popticians are playing at The Big Chill next week - in the kids tent! That'll be my turn to look after the kids, then :-) (Rest assured, I will have my trusty R09 in hand...) Anyone else here going, btw...? Cheers Roger On 23/07/2008 20:20, "saipanda" wrote: First up -- not sure where this came from but thanks to the original taper and uploader - - two files for a total one hour of the show on 13 September 1983 (sessions from 3D and the Popticians): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AJC17TSL Hope this isn't the 1983 show you already have, Steve! Thanks for Teenage Kicks. Cheers, Steve W No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 23/07/2008 06:55 From saipanda@... Wed Jul 23 22:32:42 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:32:42 -0000 Subject: wanted for my ipod peel playlist, the model In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, This isn't from a 12 inch, but according to Discogs (http://www.discogs.com/release/604597), the 12 inch in German was 3 minutes 39, which seems to be the same length as the version of Das Model here, ripped from my NME Jive Wire cassette (of 1982 vintage): https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01FdFdSSU9OMUJjR0E9PQ Could be a different mix, though. Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > must be a 12 inch version, in german prefered or some other foriegn > language, in any electronic format, > From keith.muir@... Wed Jul 23 23:42:00 2008 From: keith.muir@... (Keith Muir) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:42:00 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes - Contributions list References: Message-ID: <001901c8ed0c$f1be9a50$0302a8c0@STUDY> Ditto for me. I didn't get back to the UK in time to contribute, so anything I can do to help with costs. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: phil To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes - Contributions list I'm in that category so I'll contact Rocker to see if I can contribute to the P&P fund Phil From saipanda@... Thu Jul 24 10:30:41 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:30:41 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: <48878628.3080302@...> Message-ID: For Steve (Teenage Kicks), here's another one from 1983: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEXGZJW3 This is from 1983-11-28 (Dead Can Dance and Twinsets sessions), again about an hour on two files. Cheers, Steve W PS. Isn't today the day when the 400 tapes get picked up? From so_it_goes_2512@... Thu Jul 24 10:51:18 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:51:18 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Steve Your elevation to Neo-Godlike status has been confirmed...and yes, I believe Thursday is THE day. By the way, since you live in Japan, look me up if you're ever in Korea!! Thanks, Steve Best wishes >From Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > For Steve (Teenage Kicks), here's another one from 1983: > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEXGZJW3 > > This is from 1983-11-28 (Dead Can Dance and Twinsets sessions), again about an hour on > two files. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > PS. Isn't today the day when the 400 tapes get picked up? > From eddie.duffy@... Thu Jul 24 11:18:30 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:18:30 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yay! Nice to see one of mine come around again. I put this up on Dubster's old site a couple of years back, as I recall. Here's details and tracklisting: John Peel - 28th. November 1983 2 files, 69 minutes approx. Recorded by DuffPaddy on a Memorex dB 90 cassette from FM radio. Encoded by Baz. This one features sessions from The Twinsets, Dead Can Dance and finds Peelie suffering from a cold. Also featuring a 'wrong speed' moment, where John gets narked about people claiming he did that sort of thing deliberately. Part 1 (43.8Mb, 192K, 31:55) Stiff Little Fingers - Wasted Life (snippet) Grandmixer D ST. - Crazy Cuts The Twinsets - Too Too Much (Peel session) The Birthday Party - Swampland Dennis Brown - Your Love Is A Blessing The Smiths - This Charming Man (extended version) Fear Amongst Friends - I Was You The Twinsets - Glittering New Day (Peel session) The Elgins - Heaven Must Have Sent You [tape flip...] Part 2 (51.4Mb, 192K, 37:27) [...tape flip] The Elgins - Heaven Must Have Sent You The Sisters of Mercy - Alice Dead Can Dance - Ocean (Peel session) Laurel & Hardy - Video Trafficking The Twinsets - Crush (Peel session) Einstürzende Neubauten - Vanadium-I-Ching T-Bone Burnett (w/ Pete Townsend) - Fatally Beautiful Dead Can Dance - Threshold (Peel session) Designer - Feeling Nice Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > For Steve (Teenage Kicks), here's another one from 1983: > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEXGZJW3 > > This is from 1983-11-28 (Dead Can Dance and Twinsets sessions), again about an hour on > two files. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > PS. Isn't today the day when the 400 tapes get picked up? > From eddie.duffy@... Thu Jul 24 12:14:59 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:14:59 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And here's the other one I put up at the time: 13th. September 1983 (about half the show). Sessions tonight come from 3D and a repeat of The Popticians' debut. Does anyone know whatever became of 3D? With that name, they're just about Google-proof. Details: 2 x 30 minutes. Recorded by DuffPaddy on a BASF LH-60 cassette from FM radio. Encoded by Baz. First few seconds are a biz fuzzy - probably me adjusting the aerial. I'm reasonably sure I've got these two parts of the show the correct way around, but not 100% so. Part 1 http://www.divshare.com/download/5015193-651 (41.7Mb, 192K, 30:23) 3D - Pantau (Peel session) Dub Syndicate - Drilling Equipment Modern English - I Melt With You The Popticians - Hello Everybody (Peel session) Tools You Can Trust - Working And Shopping The Undertones - Girls That Don't Talk 3D - Brave Boys' Paradise (Peel session) Serious Drinking - TV Song Part 2 http://www.divshare.com/download/5015241-e11 (41.7Mb, 192K, 30:23) The Fall - Kicker Conspiracy The Fall - Container Drivers (Peel session) The Fall - Wings The Popticians - Mobile Home (Peel session) Alton Ellis - Can I Change My Mind? 3D - Stay (Peel session) This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren Augustus Pablo - Mr Basie X-mal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus Eddie. From saipanda@... Thu Jul 24 18:05:40 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:05:40 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Eddie, Feel proud to reintroduce your tapes from Dubster's old site, which is much missed. Many thanks indeed for the original taping and uploading! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > Yay! Nice to see one of mine come around again. I put this up on > Dubster's old site a couple of years back, as I recall. Here's details > and tracklisting: > > John Peel - 28th. November 1983 > > 2 files, 69 minutes approx. Recorded by DuffPaddy on a Memorex dB 90 > cassette from FM radio. Encoded by Baz. > > This one features sessions from The Twinsets, Dead Can Dance and finds > Peelie suffering from a cold. Also > > featuring a 'wrong speed' moment, where John gets narked about people > claiming he did that sort of thing > > deliberately. > > > Part 1 > > (43.8Mb, 192K, 31:55) > > Stiff Little Fingers - Wasted Life (snippet) > Grandmixer D ST. - Crazy Cuts > The Twinsets - Too Too Much (Peel session) > The Birthday Party - Swampland > Dennis Brown - Your Love Is A Blessing > The Smiths - This Charming Man (extended version) > Fear Amongst Friends - I Was You > The Twinsets - Glittering New Day (Peel session) > The Elgins - Heaven Must Have Sent You > [tape flip...] > > Part 2 > > (51.4Mb, 192K, 37:27) > > [...tape flip] > The Elgins - Heaven Must Have Sent You > The Sisters of Mercy - Alice > Dead Can Dance - Ocean (Peel session) > Laurel & Hardy - Video Trafficking > The Twinsets - Crush (Peel session) > Einstürzende Neubauten - Vanadium-I-Ching > T-Bone Burnett (w/ Pete Townsend) - Fatally Beautiful > Dead Can Dance - Threshold (Peel session) > Designer - Feeling Nice > > Eddie. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > For Steve (Teenage Kicks), here's another one from 1983: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZEXGZJW3 > > > > This is from 1983-11-28 (Dead Can Dance and Twinsets sessions), > again about an hour on > > two files. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve W > > > > PS. Isn't today the day when the 400 tapes get picked up? > > > From r.fewster@... Thu Jul 24 23:18:35 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0807241418g40b24a75g9faa75db22f8d14d@...> From stuart@... Fri Jul 25 09:52:13 2008 From: stuart@... (Stuart Mchugh) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:52:13 +0100 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: <1216971217.657.21850.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1216971217.657.21850.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <25D41ABC-325B-43E1-83AA-507FF0709C3A@...> > Does anyone know whatever became of 3D? With that name, they're just > about Google-proof. I think they started off life as 3D A Fish In Sea (Efficiency, geddit), which might be more google-able. Or was it the other way round? Stuart Mchugh stuart@... From susioddball2k@... Fri Jul 25 10:23:52 2008 From: susioddball2k@... (Susi Maxwell-Stewart) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes - Contributions list Message-ID: <234412.16204.qm@...> please if you need postage money count me in as i have no paypal account either ----- Original Message ---- From: deedeeramain To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 22 July, 2008 10:11:31 PM Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes - Contributions list Hello all! As promised, I'll provide a list of contributions to the recent Ebay John Peel Shoe Box Tape Bonanza! Totalling up the sum of payments for the Peel tapes on Ebay, we got 464.24 pounds in roughly 20 pound increments (for some reason the payments came to me as 20.0, 19.02 and 19.12 pounds). Cost of the tapes was 529 pounds leaving a shortfall of 64.76 pounds. Gary Smith and I split the difference between us and I refunded the rest of Gary's mega contribution. (I thought it best if we wrap up the sale of the tapes here. Other people wanted to contribute but didn't have a PayPal account etc so I'm hoping there will be volunteers if Rocker needs a postage+packing fund) I'm going to post a couple of pics (screenshots) showing the payments coming into my PayPal account. Thanks everybody for your generosity - look forward to hearing the fruits of our endeavour! DeeDee __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From rockerq@... Fri Jul 25 15:06:01 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:06:01 EDT Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a supermarket carpark near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very interesting chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I have time I will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he should join this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the auction and sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in time (or it's in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go to enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us certainly fits the bill! He also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may be able to find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us have them (he did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a session by The Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard box - I have been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my cassette deck - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so next chance I get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are mono recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the cassettes are fairly low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a major record company & quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which he liberated from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me keeping my own peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many tapes - so like a lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out Peelie's links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they are certainly likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think we should be very happy with our purchase! Cheers! Rocker From rockerq@... Fri Jul 25 15:29:42 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:29:42 EDT Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: Evidence! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.carruthers@... Fri Jul 25 15:40:06 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:40:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <302644.59585.qm@...> Nice one! I guess now is the time to send you our mailing addresses off-list and discuss p & p costs... Between The Big Chill and the annual vacances a la France, I wont be around much over the next month, but can supply a safe delivery address for my portion of the rip. Somehow the idea of returning to work in a few weeks time doesn't seem so bad now, cheers Roger --- rockerq@... wrote: > Evidence! > From thebarguest@... Fri Jul 25 16:34:21 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:34:21 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings..... Still, its gone to a good cause. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a supermarket carpark > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very interesting > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I have time I > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he should join > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the auction and > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in time (or it's > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go to > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us certainly fits the bill! He > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may be able to > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us have them (he > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a session by The > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard box - I have > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my cassette deck > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so next chance I > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are mono > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the cassettes are fairly > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a major record company & > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which he liberated > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me keeping my own > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many tapes - so like a > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out Peelie's > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they are certainly > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think we should be > very happy with our purchase! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From andrewianfox33@... Fri Jul 25 22:50:18 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:50:18 -0000 Subject: Re the model, got now cheers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: great to have the german version very peelesque....! i have a copy of Jive Wire somewhere but hadnt realised what was on it i am one of those lazy soda who tape albume without writing out track listings.... many thanks andrew --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > This isn't from a 12 inch, but according to Discogs > (http://www.discogs.com/release/604597), the 12 inch in German was 3 minutes 39, > which seems to be the same length as the version of Das Model here, ripped from my NME > Jive Wire cassette (of 1982 vintage): > > https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01FdFdSSU9OMUJjR0E9PQ > > Could be a different mix, though. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > must be a 12 inch version, in german prefered or some other foriegn > > language, in any electronic format, > > > From deedeeramain@... Sat Jul 26 03:53:53 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: <633701.3347.qm@...> What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows will turn up in a better quality format!). Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! Cheers, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: thebarguest To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... Still, its gone to a good cause. --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a supermarket carpark > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very interesting > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I have time I > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he should join > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the auction and > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in time (or it's > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go to > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us certainly fits the bill! He > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may be able to > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us have them (he > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a session by The > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard box - I have > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my cassette deck > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so next chance I > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are mono > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the cassettes are fairly > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a major record company & > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which he liberated > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me keeping my own > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many tapes - so like a > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out Peelie's > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they are certainly > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think we should be > very happy with our purchase! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From saipanda@... Sat Jul 26 06:32:31 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:32:31 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: <633701.3347.qm@...> Message-ID: I don't think we should panic too much yet as Rocker's only listened to a couple out of 400-odd tapes. Seems slightly odd if the guy went to the trouble of making such a big archive over a five year period but didn't bother to start taping them from FM somewhere along the way, especially if he was a record company guy and also did reel to reel stuff. Anyway, I'm still really looking forward to hearing them. Like DeeDee said, much better than nothing. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows will turn up in a better quality format!). > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! > Cheers, > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: thebarguest > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a > supermarket carpark > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very > interesting > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I > have time I > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he > should join > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the > auction and > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in time > (or it's > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go > to > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us > certainly fits the bill! He > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may > be able to > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us > have them (he > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a > session by The > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard box - > I have > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my > cassette deck > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so next > chance I > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are mono > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the > cassettes are fairly > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a major > record company & > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which he > liberated > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me > keeping my own > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many tapes - > so like a > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out > Peelie's > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they > are certainly > > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think > we should be > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Jul 26 21:11:19 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:11:19 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: <633701.3347.qm@...> Message-ID: I admire your brave face, Dee Dee, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's deeply disappointed ..... Personally, I'd rather have 10 good quality, FM shows than 4 thousand medium-wave (ie low audio quality) shows. I enjoy the music as much as Peel's talking. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows will turn up in a better quality format!). > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! > Cheers, > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: thebarguest > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a > supermarket carpark > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very > interesting > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I > have time I > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he > should join > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the > auction and > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in time > (or it's > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go > to > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us > certainly fits the bill! He > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may > be able to > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us > have them (he > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a > session by The > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard box - > I have > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my > cassette deck > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so next > chance I > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are mono > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the > cassettes are fairly > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a major > record company & > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which he > liberated > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me > keeping my own > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many tapes - > so like a > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out > Peelie's > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they > are certainly > > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think > we should be > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > > From lists@... Sat Jul 26 21:34:14 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:34:14 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Personaly I would rather have 400 low quality recordings than non. As someone else stated earlier these might be the only recordings of these shows in exsistance. I for one will be happy with what ever the tapes contain. Regards Gary From andrewianfox33@... Sat Jul 26 23:15:30 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:15:30 -0000 Subject: anyone know anything about these peel newsgroups? Message-ID: they appear on the virginmedia text newsgroups listings but are all empty (it would appear?) free-uk.john-peel alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.john-peel alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel-sessions do they exist on other servers and any with contents? cheers andrew From festive50@... Sun Jul 27 00:08:32 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:08:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2120.82.44.181.124.1217110112.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> I totally agree. After all, my humb;e collection started with a dozen or more tapes I recorded in hospital (1987) on a portable and are some of my favourites. Phil > Personaly I would rather have 400 low quality recordings than non. As > someone else stated earlier these might be the only recordings of these > shows in exsistance. > I for one will be happy with what ever the tapes contain. > > Regards > Gary > > From david.groves@... Sun Jul 27 01:52:19 2008 From: david.groves@... (David Groves) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:52:19 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: <2120.82.44.181.124.1217110112.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> References: <2120.82.44.181.124.1217110112.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Message-ID: <000f01c8ef7a$a41ece30$ec5c6a90$@groves@...> Yes, and surely whilst most of the music can be found in other forms - such as the original records themselves - the more of Peel's wit on tape (even in mono) the better. David From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of festive50@... Sent: domenica 27 luglio 2008 0.09 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! I totally agree. After all, my humb;e collection started with a dozen or more tapes I recorded in hospital (1987) on a portable and are some of my favourites. Phil > Personaly I would rather have 400 low quality recordings than non. As > someone else stated earlier these might be the only recordings of these > shows in exsistance. > I for one will be happy with what ever the tapes contain. > > Regards > Gary > > From tb666xx@... Sun Jul 27 03:20:14 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32179.77804.qm@...> I have tracked down most of the music I really liked that peel played - for me, it's hearing the man himself - I am happy with any quality to be honest.... --- On Sat, 7/26/08, thebarguest wrote: > From: thebarguest > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 8:11 PM > I admire your brave face, Dee Dee, but I'm sure that > I'm not the only > one who's deeply disappointed ..... > > Personally, I'd rather have 10 good quality, FM shows > than > 4 thousand medium-wave (ie low audio quality) shows. I > enjoy the > music as much as Peel's talking. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton > wrote: > > > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho > Ho!! > > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded > Peel shows on > crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this > will be > acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually > these shows > will turn up in a better quality format!). > > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the > volume! > > Cheers, > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: thebarguest > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question > properly ? > > > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha > ha.... > > > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your > best...... > > > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM > recordings.. ... > > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last > night - in a > > supermarket carpark > > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the > seller - he's a very > > interesting > > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / > early 70s - when I > > have time I > > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I > suggested that he > > should join > > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses > email, though. > > > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week > offering to stop the > > auction and > > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and > didn't read it in > time > > (or it's > > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the > tapes should go > > to > > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of > obsessives like us > > certainly fits the bill! He > > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old > stuff out he may > > be able to > > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be > happy to let us > > have them (he > > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on > reel-to-reel with a > > session by The > > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it > though). > > > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a > large cardboard > box - > > I have > > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick > a couple in my > > cassette deck > > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in > Derbyshire, so > next > > chance I > > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all > of them) are > mono > > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete > shows - the > > cassettes are fairly > > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the > time for a > major > > record company & > > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and > pre-recorded tapes which > he > > liberated > > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing > which stopped me > > keeping my own > > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of > buying so many > tapes - > > so like a > > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, > and edit out > > Peelie's > > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should > sound OK - they > > are certainly > > > likely to be our only copies of most of these > shows so I do think > > we should be > > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Rocker > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From k.j.beech@... Sun Jul 27 09:24:39 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:24:39 -0000 Subject: anyone know anything about these peel newsgroups? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: nothing on zen or usenext either!! kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > they appear on the virginmedia text newsgroups listings but are all > empty (it would appear?) > > free-uk.john-peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.john-peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel-sessions > > do they exist on other servers and any with contents? > > cheers andrew > From andrewianfox33@... Sun Jul 27 10:46:50 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:46:50 -0000 Subject: anyone know anything about these peel newsgroups? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: interesting, i have just crossposted a test message to these supposed groups and nothing seems to be arriving, anyone else at virgin able to confirm these groups. andrew- -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > nothing on zen or usenext either!! > > kev > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > they appear on the virginmedia text newsgroups listings but are all > > empty (it would appear?) > > > > free-uk.john-peel > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.john-peel > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel-sessions > > > > do they exist on other servers and any with contents? > > > > cheers andrew > > > From k.j.beech@... Sun Jul 27 11:27:34 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:27:34 -0000 Subject: anyone know anything about these peel newsgroups? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: andrew, just had a go myself via zen see what happens?? kevin --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > interesting, i have just crossposted a test message to these supposed > groups and nothing seems to be arriving, anyone else at virgin able > to confirm these groups. > > andrew- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "bty455834" wrote: > > > > nothing on zen or usenext either!! > > > > kev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > > > they appear on the virginmedia text newsgroups listings but are all > > > empty (it would appear?) > > > > > > free-uk.john-peel > > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.john-peel > > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel-sessions > > > > > > do they exist on other servers and any with contents? > > > > > > cheers andrew > > > > > > From lists@... Sun Jul 27 11:29:27 2008 From: lists@... (Rob Brewer) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:29:27 +0100 Subject: [peel] anyone know anything about these peel newsgroups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Andrew Fox wrote: > free-uk.john-peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.john-peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel-sessions > > do they exist on other servers and any with contents? Google groups carries the free.* group but not the alt.binaries.* That shows one on-topic message and less than a dozen spams in the last three years. http://groups.google.com/group/free.uk.john-peel/topics?lnk -- Rob Brewer rob@... http://www.rbrwr.org "Who would not rather be a rising ape than a falling angel?" -- Terry Pratchett From stuart@... Sun Jul 27 12:10:20 2008 From: stuart@... (Stuart Mchugh) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:10:20 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? References: Message-ID: this came in direct to me, felt it was supposed to be shared... Begin forwarded message: > From: "roger.carruthers@..." > Date: 25 July 2008 15:26:26 BDT > To: peel-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? > > I've found a few tapes from this era and have started digitizing > them to share. > Sadly, most are just the music with John only occasionally beating > my finger on the pause > button - I guess like many of us here, I thought there would always > be a Peel. Or perhaps I > was just too tight/stoned/disorganized to keep a decent stock of > tapes in. > Anyway, I'm off on hols soon, so if i don't post them this side of > August, I'll do it when I get > back - along with that 'Video Jukebox' rip and a load of other > things I've been promising for > far too long. Been a busy old year... > cheers > Roger From robfleay@... Sun Jul 27 12:18:15 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:18:15 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: <20080727101815.VEGV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Let's not despair just yet I was talking to Rocker about this at Indietracks and he has only listened to 2 tapes out of 400, so that doesn't mean that they were all AM only recordings. When did Radio 1 actually start broadcasting in FM anyway? I remember from my childhood the fanfare when they started broadcasting the charts in FM, so I'm guessing it was the early 80's? > I admire your brave face, Dee Dee, but I'm sure that I'm not the only > one who's deeply disappointed ..... > > Personally, I'd rather have 10 good quality, FM shows than > 4 thousand medium-wave (ie low audio quality) shows. I enjoy the > music as much as Peel's talking. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! > > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on > crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be > acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows > will turn up in a better quality format!). > > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! > > Cheers, > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: thebarguest > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? > > > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... > > > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... > > > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... > > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a > > supermarket carpark > > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very > > interesting > > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I > > have time I > > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he > > should join > > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the > > auction and > > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in > time > > (or it's > > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go > > to > > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us > > certainly fits the bill! He > > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may > > be able to > > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us > > have them (he > > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a > > session by The > > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard > box - > > I have > > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my > > cassette deck > > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so > next > > chance I > > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are > mono > > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the > > cassettes are fairly > > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a > major > > record company & > > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which > he > > liberated > > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me > > keeping my own > > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many > tapes - > > so like a > > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out > > Peelie's > > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they > > are certainly > > > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think > > we should be > > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Rocker > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From ramsay.dj@... Sun Jul 27 12:31:56 2008 From: ramsay.dj@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:31:56 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: <20080727101815.VEGV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080727101815.VEGV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <488C4E9C.30606@...> I think it was earlier than that probably mid to late 70s. I am sure the Peel show was in AM until Radio2 shut down when it switched to FM. Cheers Davie RobF wrote: > > Let's not despair just yet I was talking to Rocker about this at > Indietracks and he has only listened to 2 tapes out of 400, so that > doesn't mean that they were all AM only recordings. > > When did Radio 1 actually start broadcasting in FM anyway? I remember > from my childhood the fanfare when they started broadcasting the > charts in FM, so I'm guessing it was the early 80's? > > > I admire your brave face, Dee Dee, but I'm sure that I'm not the only > > one who's deeply disappointed ..... > > > > Personally, I'd rather have 10 good quality, FM shows than > > 4 thousand medium-wave (ie low audio quality) shows. I enjoy the > > music as much as Peel's talking. > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Riving > Ton wrote: > > > > > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! > > > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on > > crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be > > acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows > > will turn up in a better quality format!). > > > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! > > > Cheers, > > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: thebarguest > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > > > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > > > > > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > > > > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? > > > > > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... > > > > > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... > > > > > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... > > > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a > > > supermarket carpark > > > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very > > > interesting > > > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I > > > have time I > > > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he > > > should join > > > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > > > > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the > > > auction and > > > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in > > time > > > (or it's > > > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go > > > to > > > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us > > > certainly fits the bill! He > > > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may > > > be able to > > > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us > > > have them (he > > > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a > > > session by The > > > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > > > > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard > > box - > > > I have > > > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my > > > cassette deck > > > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so > > next > > > chance I > > > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are > > mono > > > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the > > > cassettes are fairly > > > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a > > major > > > record company & > > > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which > > he > > > liberated > > > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me > > > keeping my own > > > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many > > tapes - > > > so like a > > > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out > > > Peelie's > > > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they > > > are certainly > > > > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think > > > we should be > > > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > Rocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > From brian@... Sun Jul 27 15:12:10 2008 From: brian@... (electrophotic) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:12:10 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: <488C4E9C.30606@...> Message-ID: BBC Radio 1 started in 1967, transmitting on AM only (1214 kHz). >From October 1971, in addition to AM transmissions, Radio 1 shared Radio 2's FM frequencies (88.1-90.1 MHz) - this included the 10pm- midnight weekday slot. Radio 1 was eventually allocated its own FM frequency (97.6-99.6 MHz) - this was phased in across the country between November 1987 and March 1990. Radio 1 AM transmissions ceased in 1994. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Davie Ramsay wrote: > > I think it was earlier than that probably mid to late 70s. I am sure the > Peel show was in AM until Radio2 shut down when it switched to FM. > > Cheers > > Davie > > RobF wrote: > > > > Let's not despair just yet I was talking to Rocker about this at > > Indietracks and he has only listened to 2 tapes out of 400, so that > > doesn't mean that they were all AM only recordings. > > > > When did Radio 1 actually start broadcasting in FM anyway? I remember > > from my childhood the fanfare when they started broadcasting the > > charts in FM, so I'm guessing it was the early 80's? > > > > > I admire your brave face, Dee Dee, but I'm sure that I'm not the only > > > one who's deeply disappointed ..... > > > > > > Personally, I'd rather have 10 good quality, FM shows than > > > 4 thousand medium-wave (ie low audio quality) shows. I enjoy the > > > music as much as Peel's talking. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Riving > > Ton wrote: > > > > > > > > What do you expect for one pound thirty per tape?! Ho Ho!! > > > > Personally, I spent a long time listening to recorded Peel shows on > > > crappy car radios and straining to tune into SW so this will be > > > acceptable in the interim. (I'm hoping that eventually these shows > > > will turn up in a better quality format!). > > > > Better than nothing and still cheap considering the volume! > > > > Cheers, > > > > DeeDee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: thebarguest > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM > > > > Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > > > > > > > > > > "AM" - Oh SHIT - yes, it does happen. > > > > > > > > Why couldn't this chap answer the quality question properly ? > > > > > > > > AM - makes a joke of all the FLAC vs mp3 debating, ha ha.... > > > > > > > > Hey, Rocker, well done, thanks, you've done your best...... > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I'd have donated 20 quid for AM recordings.. ... > > > > Still, its gone to a good cause. > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to shout! Yes - I made the pickup last night - in a > > > > supermarket carpark > > > > > near Cheltenham - and got to meet Bryan, the seller - he's a very > > > > interesting > > > > > chap, he actually knew Peel in the late 60s / early 70s - when I > > > > have time I > > > > > will recount to you a couple of his stories. I suggested that he > > > > should join > > > > > this group himself, not sure how much he uses email, though. > > > > > > > > > > He tells me he emailed Ken a reply last week offering to stop the > > > > auction and > > > > > sell to us direct - I guess Ken was away and didn't read it in > > > time > > > > (or it's > > > > > in his spam box!). He certainly was keen that the tapes should go > > > > to > > > > > enthusiasts / archivists - so a bunch of obsessives like us > > > > certainly fits the bill! He > > > > > also said that as he is clearing some of his old stuff out he may > > > > be able to > > > > > find some more tapes - and if he does he will be happy to let us > > > > have them (he > > > > > did mention a Top Gear he used to have on reel-to-reel with a > > > > session by The > > > > > Nice - he's not sure if he still has it though). > > > > > > > > > > Anyway - the tapes are in good condition, in a large cardboard > > > box - > > > > I have > > > > > been so busy I so far have only had time to stick a couple in my > > > > cassette deck > > > > > - and am leaving in an hour for Indietracks in Derbyshire, so > > > next > > > > chance I > > > > > get to go through the box will be Monday daytime. > > > > > > > > > > The ones I listened to are (and thus probably all of them) are > > > mono > > > > > recordings from am - both seemed to be complete shows - the > > > > cassettes are fairly > > > > > low-quality - Bryan told me he was working at the time for a > > > major > > > > record company & > > > > > quite a few of the tapes are demos and pre-recorded tapes which > > > he > > > > liberated > > > > > from work and recorded over. (The only thing which stopped me > > > > keeping my own > > > > > peel show tapes in those days was the cost of buying so many > > > tapes - > > > > so like a > > > > > lot of us I used to copy just the tracks I liked, and edit out > > > > Peelie's > > > > > links). I think with a bit of eq-ing they should sound OK - they > > > > are certainly > > > > > likely to be our only copies of most of these shows so I do think > > > > we should be > > > > > very happy with our purchase! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > Rocker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > From markbursa@... Sun Jul 27 15:17:28 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:17:28 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: >>Let's not despair just yet I was talking to Rocker about this at Indietracks and he has only listened to 2 tapes out of 400, so that doesn't mean that they were all AM only recordings.<< Are we sure they're AM recordings, or not FM recordings made on a poor quality tape recorder? I have a few pPeel recordings (justa few random tracks) made on an old 1970s mono radio cassette player, with auto levels etc. They're FM recordings but the sound isn't good. Radio 1 AM transmissions (on 247m) were absolutely awful in the evening - uge amounts of radio interference from other statyions - the Radio Tirana call sign etc! My guess is that we have poor FM recordings not AM - looking forward to hearing some samples. Mark From martinw@... Sun Jul 27 18:55:11 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:55:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: <488C4E9C.30606@...> Message-ID: At 14:12 27/07/2008, you wrote: >BBC Radio 1 started in 1967, transmitting on AM only (1214 kHz). > From October 1971, in addition to AM transmissions, Radio 1 shared >Radio 2's FM frequencies (88.1-90.1 MHz) - this included the 10pm- >midnight weekday slot. Radio 1 was eventually allocated its own FM >frequency (97.6-99.6 MHz) - this was phased in across the country >between November 1987 and March 1990. Radio 1 AM transmissions >ceased in 1994. All Peel's evening shows were broadcast in FM but none of the earlier afternoon ones martinw From roger.carruthers@... Sun Jul 27 20:48:36 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:48:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] Fwd: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My apologies; you¹re right of course. I usually post via my Œmail client, but on this occasion actually used the forum and must have done something dumb. Cheers Roger PS. I guess what I said below about regretting pausing out the Peel, adds my voice to the argument in the ŒWe Got the tapes¹ thread that says, if it¹s got John¹s voice on it, then any recording is better than none at all. 99% of the music can still be found, but we can¹t afford to be too fussy over the bits in between. On 27/07/2008 11:10, "Stuart Mchugh" wrote: > > > > this came in direct to me, felt it was supposed to be shared... > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "roger.carruthers@..." >> Date: 25 July 2008 15:26:26 BDT >> To: peel-owner@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? >> >> >> I've found a few tapes from this era and have started digitizing them to >> share. >>  Sadly, most are just the music with John only occasionally beating my finger >> on the pause >> button - I guess like many of us here, I thought there would always be a >> Peel. Or perhaps I >> was just too tight/stoned/disorganized to keep a decent stock of tapes in. >>  Anyway, I'm off on hols soon, so if i don't post them this side of August, >> I'll do it when I get >> back - along with that 'Video Jukebox' rip and a load of other things I've >> been promising for >> far too long. Been a busy old year... >> cheers >> Roger > > From lollygagger@... Mon Jul 28 00:13:01 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:13:01 +0100 Subject: Peely stuff In-Reply-To: References: <488C4E9C.30606@...> Message-ID: Hi Peelophiles Or maybe not.... Speaking of which on Rob da Bank last Sunday in the A-Z show the guest picked Garry Glitter's "Do you want to touch". Ah the days when 14year old boys would boast who had the highest heels (platforms) in the playground. The world was a simpler place in the 70's. As for the mono tapes....do we have any crazies that would edit in John's voice between the tracks he played in stereo.... I am sure he would chuckle at all of this. Regards Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wheatley To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! At 14:12 27/07/2008, you wrote: >BBC Radio 1 started in 1967, transmitting on AM only (1214 kHz). > From October 1971, in addition to AM transmissions, Radio 1 shared >Radio 2's FM frequencies (88.1-90.1 MHz) - this included the 10pm- >midnight weekday slot. Radio 1 was eventually allocated its own FM >frequency (97.6-99.6 MHz) - this was phased in across the country >between November 1987 and March 1990. Radio 1 AM transmissions >ceased in 1994. All Peel's evening shows were broadcast in FM but none of the earlier afternoon ones martinw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 From ken_garner@... Mon Jul 28 00:48:29 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:48:29 -0000 Subject: I spend two weeks in the hot spa tubs of Budapest and... Message-ID: ...just got back to uk from holiday and have now caught up on all the astonishing correspondence here via my aged dad's PC. First of all, yes, the seller of the tapes had evidently tried to email me but this was after I left the country, sorry. But it all worked out ok, thanks to dee dee, rocker and everyone. And despite pledging my twenty quid in advance, I also appear to have missed the cough-up period, sorry. I agree with Mark, these are probably low-Q FM recordings rather than AM, as Martin says, yes, from October 71 all Peel's late evening shows (excluding the first 9 months of 75, the BBC '3-day week' period) were on the Radio 2 FM frequency as well as R1 AM, until R1 FM for almost 24 hrs launched in Oct 88 anyway. Some friends gave me their prized shoeboxes of Peel show tapes (about 30 tapes in all, mostly 79-81, I think) when I was doing In Session Tonight, taped on a stereo system, but time and decay made them v muffled, although they can be listened to just about (actually I wonder if I still have those somewhere...?). AM recordings at 10pm-midnight would be v crackly, possibly. Like others, I am happy to hear shows in any quality short of unlistenable, and not just for what Peel says, but for the totality of the experience, and simply to know they survive. I am sure it has occurred to others that those doing the digitising not only need to agree on a digital file format standard (which appears to have been done already!), but also a cataloguing system and application. Whoever is doing the divvying out needs to give each tape a clear number before the digitising gets under way. Then there are the agreed fields of data required for each tape (date, duration, featured items, running order?, notes, edits, etc.. to be discussed), and the application: You could use a database, if there is one that everyone is likely to have which is simple, or (don't snigger), excel is pretty universal, I did both books' sessionography in it and my big bro does mutliple data daily for an international engineering company with excel files containing thousands and thousands of entries or rows, all relating to each other, so it can do almost anything we'd want, as long as we agreed on the fields or columns, surely? I think you would need two spreadsheets that talked to each other: one with a single row of agreed main data for each every TAPE/ SHOW; then one which was an individual sheet for each TAPE / SHOW with the full track listing and any notes, even maybe a field for transcribing Peel's links... Just a thought... On the continuing issue of some kind of eventual Peel Archive online, I too have been mulling this over. I think for the time being let's just share the stuff and document what is out there and is emerging. Eventually, though, I suspect something might be possible. A friend of mine, a professor at a with-it institution, has been advising the BBC on its digital strategy and claims their new objective is to liase with and facilitate other social networks, and not try to do it all themselves. However, in that context the (incomplete, out of date and frequently bonkers) 'official' peel pages occasionally accessible via Radio 1's website are a peculiar exception! And so would be the rumour I have heard from inside sources recently that BBC Worldwide is working on a project to create a website where people can listen to and purchase for download BBC session tracks (not just Peel's, please note!), both current and from the archive. But there is a world of difference between doing this for discrete, identifiable copyright tracks by named artists, and complete show recordings of variable quality: even if that rumour is true, I doubt they would even contemplate the enormity of the task of making complete shows available in this manner. But for someone else to stream a rotating sequence of archive shows might be possible even under existing copyright legislation, if the BBC chose to recognise the credibility of the organisation doing it (it sells TV shows for repeats by any TV channel in the world, so why not...?). If we were to demonstrate our capacity to do this by how we deal with these new tapes, for example, that might go some way to helping. Any such official website / archive / association project would of course need the BBC, Radio 1, Sheila's and the Selwoods' consent. But if we got the last two, or even three, of those, then the institional support from the top of the organisation might just fall into line, eventually. I can envisage some form of trust /association being recognised by these stakeholders. Such a site could then be much more than that and grow data organically, with eventually a data entry for every show, which would indicate if it is known to exist in any of the public or private archives we can identify (and thereby request and identify those that are missing from any visitors to the site). I feel, however, as I say, that's all some way off in the future. The first step towards any such formal recognition or credibility of this group as the official custodians of the Peel legacy/archive - (alongside how we deal with the tapes!) - might be perhaps some form of face to face meeting, a Peel Listeners' Convention, which could seek, among other fun things (gigs, guests, debates, etc), to finalise and ratify a draft constitution or terms-of-reference articulating the association's aims, membership, and so on, which could be circulated in draft electronically in advance. Sounds dreary, i know, but if we were to decide to be truly serious about this (including maybe seeking national lottery funding - I am not joking, there have been other digital musical archiving projects that have won cash from this source!), we'd need to do that kind of thing... ken From markbursa@... Mon Jul 28 01:58:25 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:58:25 EDT Subject: [peel] Fwd: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Message-ID: >>99% of the music can still be found, but we can’t afford to be too fussy over the bits in between.<< Not sure it can! I'm personally hoping some of the more obscure 'lost' sessions turn up on these tapes - stuff from the bands that fell through the cracks.... Mark From grafpoo@... Mon Jul 28 11:38:25 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:38:25 -0400 Subject: my one and only tape Message-ID: From saipanda@... Mon Jul 28 16:36:45 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:36:45 -0000 Subject: my one and only tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cheers for this, John. Just downloading now and looking forward to listening to it. Think 1986 was one of Steve (Teenage Kicks) "Missing Peel" years (it's one of mine anyway), so the show probably hasn't been around before. Many thanks again, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "john guthrie" wrote: > 14 iced bears announced on the > show), it's from november 26, 1986. dunno if this show is already being > circulated even, i am terrible at organizing the shows i've gotten from the > group. > From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Jul 28 16:52:09 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:52:09 -0000 Subject: my one and only tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear John Thanks for this, now my only one from this year (apart from the FF, of course!), as Steve from Japan so rightly says. Best wishes Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "john guthrie" wrote: > > just got what i needed to rip my old cassettes, so i started with my one and > only peel tape. made on my first trip to london (november 1986) by a friend > who popped a tape into his beatbox and got the last ninety minutes or so. > sessions from 14 iced bears and the passamore sisters, from what i can tell > in ken's book (and the upcoming dates for 14 iced bears announced on the > show), it's from november 26, 1986. dunno if this show is already being > circulated even, i am terrible at organizing the shows i've gotten from the > group. > > enough chitchat, here are the mp3s. i can post the wav files i generated too > if anyone is interested, just ask > > http://rapidshare.com/files/132966735/peel-86-NOV-26a.mp3.html > > http://rapidshare.com/files/132966866/peel-86-NOV-26b.mp3.html > > john > From rockerq@... Mon Jul 28 17:14:56 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:14:56 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: > <> > You could be right! The signal sounds consistent, just lofi - I did ask but he actually couldn't remember whether he recorded them from am or fm - as you suggest, it may just have been onto one of those mono cassette recorders that most of us old enough will have owned as kids. And as I said, the cassettes themselves are fairly bogstandard. And yes - we need to decide who's going to rip these, and how we will keep a record of what we have. I am capable of setting up a simple spreadsheet in Excel with details of which tapes I send to whom - may I suggest that we also have a standard format spreadsheet for each tape, so that info and tracklistings can be recorded and sent to the group by each person as they rip the tape. Quite a few of the tapes have a handwritten index card with tracklisting and broadcast date. Also we really should ensure that this archive of tapes doesn't stay spread around the country (the world?) - may I suggest that each ripper agrees to mail the tapes back when done - Initially to me - & then we need to decide long term where the tapes should be kept. Have already had a few offers of postage & packing money so funding this should not be a problem - I could put return postage in with each package. Have yet to decide how to send them out - I have quite a few jiffy bags which would be easy to post, but would only take 2 or 4 tapes or so at a time - actually maybe this is best in case any packages get lost in post - or should we pay extra to register each package? I guess it would possibly be safer to restrict postage to UK only unless we find that we do not have enough ripping capability - what do people think? Cheers! Rocker From deadearnest@... Mon Jul 28 17:21:42 2008 From: deadearnest@... (Dead Earnest) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:21:42 +0100 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: <000f01c8f0c5$a8da9520$0201a8c0@userpc> Not quite sure re fm. I remember recording the whole of the Pink Floyd Radio One In Concert broadcast in '71 and that was an FM broadcast but I'm not sure if at that point it was only FM after 10pm or whether there was FM before, but I know that the first Roxy Music session I recorded from, I think, '72, was FM so it may havebeen then. The one track I have from an Arthur Brown's Kingdome Come session in '71 was AM as you can clearly here the little whine at the back and the occasional fade when the signal seemed to disappear - ah, the good old days!! (lol) Andy G. www.deadearnest.btinternet.co.uk www.myspace.com/deadearnestdundee www.myspace.com/mermaidrockpromotions From robfleay@... Mon Jul 28 17:43:54 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:43:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: <20080728154354.KHVS18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > I am capable of setting up a simple spreadsheet in > Excel with details of which tapes I send to whom I have some paid-for webspace with a spare MySQL database if anyone knows of a free PHP type solution that could put the catalogue/control method online? Maybe I'll have a look around.. I'm happy to rip some tapes, so put my name down ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Mon Jul 28 18:11:11 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:11:11 -0000 Subject: my one and only tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It could be a false memory, but I seem to remember Jon at the always great Peel Tapes site putting up a big 1986 (1985?) download one time, but somehow I couldn't open the zip file and the link seemed to vanish. It doesn't seem to be in the rewind section over there now, so perhaps I got it confused with the big batches from 1987. Loads of brilliant stuff over there for people who have never checked it out. Does anyone else remember this? Jon? Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear John > > Thanks for this, now my only one from this year (apart from the FF, of > course!), as Steve from Japan so rightly says. > > Best wishes > Steve > From john.bravin@... Mon Jul 28 22:41:59 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:41:59 +0200 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <48878628.3080302@...> References: <48878628.3080302@...> Message-ID: <488E2F17.6070803@...> One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre-1977 stuff. Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 More to follow John John Bravin wrote: > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > from 1977. > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > possible. > From r.fewster@... Mon Jul 28 23:59:53 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:59:53 +0100 Subject: Punk Fiction, 1996 Message-ID: <6974965b0807281459s59b44483yd78d136af272c7bd@...> From johan.kalm@... Tue Jul 29 00:16:27 2008 From: johan.kalm@... (Johan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:16:27 -0000 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: Great stuff, thanks. Reminds me of the "Personal Top 30" on Radio Caroline. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features > Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, > but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious > geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend > the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, > whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of > post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre- 1977 > stuff. > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 > > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 > > > More to follow > > John > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > > from 1977. > > > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > > possible. > > > From eddie.duffy@... Tue Jul 29 00:53:46 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:53:46 -0000 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: Nice one, John! Look forward to the rest. Part 1 seems a bit odd though: it sounds like a record jumping in a lot of places. It's most noticeable in 'Carey', but even some of Peel is affected, so it's not a problem with the records themselves. I've never known a tape do that before, so maybe something went wrong in the encoding process...? Thanks also to the other John for the much-needed bit of '86 action, and to Richard for Punk Fiction (although I think I already nabbed that from your SoulSeek directory back in the day). Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features > Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, > but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious > geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend > the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, > whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of > post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre-1977 > stuff. > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 > > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 > > > More to follow > > John > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > > from 1977. > > > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > > possible. > > > From ken_garner@... Tue Jul 29 01:52:33 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:52:33 -0000 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: John - I cannot download and check this out until I get back to Glasgow at the weekend, but I wonder is this maybe one of those 'Listener's favourite records of the first ten years of the show' shows, we communicated about off-list back in March 07? If it is, my record of our email trail and our comparing of notes then suggests that these were possibly in fact the shows of the week of Mon 3/10/77 - Fri 5/10/77, and not TX in September (see Shows index in book, p. 218). Or maybe I've got muddled up again? I should have the PasB scripts for those shows somewhere, but give me a couple of weeks to dig them out... ken ps. I have only just discovered this interesting new (I think) promotional site from BBC Archives, which includes nice little video interview features with (among others) Simon Rooks (engineer), and most interestingly for this list, Julia Weaver (Roger Olive's boss at Preservations, Maida Vale), which include fleeting video shots of MV4, some R1 reel and DAT tape shelving, and some exciting Maida Vale corridors... http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/preserving_sound.shtml --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features > Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, > but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious > geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend > the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, > whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of > post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre- 1977 > stuff. > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 > > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 > > > More to follow > > John > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > > from 1977. > > > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > > possible. > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Jul 29 13:01:26 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:01:26 -0000 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: Dear John I cannot download Part One, it keeps telling me I don't have permission on this server. Now someone will come along and tell me I'm missing something really obvious. Part 2 no problems, though. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features > Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, > but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious > geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend > the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, > whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of > post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre- 1977 > stuff. > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 > > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 > > > More to follow > > John > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > > from 1977. > > > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > > possible. > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Jul 29 13:06:20 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:06:20 -0000 Subject: 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: Dear John I played around with the filename, and it seems you miscopied (if there is such a word). This is the correct link: http://rapidshare.com/files/133158226/Ten_Years_Of_Peel_- _Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1.mp3 Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > One more ripped C90. This one is from September 1977 and features > Listeners Top Ten choices. Of varying quality, and edited musically, > but with most Peel links intact. Some punk, and some less than obvious > geriatric rock ( Kevin Coyne's House on the Hill and Family's My friend > the sun). And the wonderfully evocative Willin' by Little Feat (Weed, > whites and wine) . For those of you more familiar with Peel's love of > post 1977 music, believe me he was just as enthused about some pre- 1977 > stuff. > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1 > > > Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2 > > > More to follow > > John > > John Bravin wrote: > > > > But what I do have is 4 C90 sides of the 1977 Listeners Top Ten > > choices (broadcast in September so not the 1977 Festive Fifty). These > > were compiled by listeners but with each track introduced by Peel. I > > would dearly like to know what happened to the lucky listeners - I bet > > they have complete recordings of their own selections among others > > from 1977. > > > > I will rip these in the coming week and try to upload them as soon as > > possible. > > > From john.bravin@... Tue Jul 29 17:51:05 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:51:05 +0200 Subject: [peel] 1977 Listeners Top Ten choices In-Reply-To: <488E2F17.6070803@...> References: <48878628.3080302@...> <488E2F17.6070803@...> Message-ID: <488F3C69.5060008@...> I apologize for once again screwing up the hyperlinks. It is very hot and I was very tired... Here are the URLs without the complication of hyperlinks for all the files I have posted recently http://rapidshare.com/files/133158226/Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part1.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/133158228/Ten_Years_Of_Peel_-_Listeners_Choices_1977_Part2.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/127360317/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_1.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/127375476/1979_Festive_Fifty_Part_2.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/128222027/Tape_074A.mp3 http://rapidshare.com/files/128227259/Tape_074B.mp3 John From sdmaclean@... Tue Jul 29 20:34:16 2008 From: sdmaclean@... (sdmaclean@...) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:34:16 +0000 Subject: am vs fm Message-ID: <072920081834.21725.488F62A8000CA619000054DD2207022933020E0A040C0E030B9C@...> If I recall correctly, Peel's show started in FM on the South Coast (Brighton, Southampton at least) only around 1989?? i remember Spacemen3 in session I think, in FM. Stuart From festive50@... Tue Jul 29 21:23:42 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:23:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] I spend two weeks in the hot spa tubs of Budapest and... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2550.82.44.181.124.1217359422.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Whoa Ken Whoa! A mighty ambitious project indeed and nobody has commented yet. Maybe most people think that this beyond the scope of this group. I for one am interested, as I had already started a database along these lines but never finished. It consisted of a lot of my tracklistings, listings from Lorcan's website plus listings extracted from the BBC's listing sites. It currently stands at about 20,000 tracks and is in my preferred database software (MS Access). Although Excel can be used for DBs, Access is purpose built for such a task. It can however be exported to Excel or ASCII. Briefly, I was "A listener writes" on p136 in Ken's latest tome. Basically I started taping JP whilst in hospital on 2 occasions in 1987 My nephew took up the baton but with gusto and created about 300 tapes (1990-1992). About 10 years later he started giving me packs of 10 tapes (including the tracklistings) for birthday and christmas presents. As I listened to them I checked and edited the tracklistings I received the last of these last Christmas. A lot of these tapes tracklistings weren't checked and edited as I'd abandoned this project and just used to play them in the car. Ironically, I was in hospital in May and returned to this project of annotating these listings and am still doing so (about another 80 tapes to go). I'd also started digitising these tapes and putting them up on the Peel Server which I ran and which sadly died while I was in hospital. I've just built a new IBM/Windows 2003 server. I just need to get a SCSI/IDE adaptor and I can then repopulate with all the shows I have and get back to digitising my 600+ tapes. I did start adding to my collection with the various shares (DivShare, RapidShare etc.),advertised on this site but I found them very hit and miss. ie. where links became out of date, or didn't work, or you had to pay for premium download otherwise you could only DL once a day. I didn't really get on with BitTorrent either. There was always Gary's server but somehow my original log in credentials no longer work. You mentioned the various fields Ken. But what would be really useful is a standardised file naming convention. I prefer Peel yyyymmdd - Session Artists.mp3/flac etc. This way, when sorting on file names you get them in chronological date order. Phil > ...just got back to uk from holiday and have now caught up on all the astonishing correspondence here via my aged dad's PC. First of all, yes, the seller of the tapes had evidently tried to email me but this was after I left the country, sorry. But it all worked out ok, thanks to dee dee, rocker and everyone. And despite pledging my twenty quid in advance, I also appear to have missed the cough-up period, sorry. I agree with Mark, these are probably low-Q FM recordings rather than AM, as Martin says, yes, from October 71 all Peel's late evening shows (excluding the first 9 months of 75, the BBC '3-day week' > period) were on the Radio 2 FM frequency as well as R1 AM, until R1 FM for almost 24 hrs launched in Oct 88 anyway. Some friends gave me their prized shoeboxes of Peel show tapes (about 30 tapes in all, mostly 79-81, I think) when I was doing In Session Tonight, taped on a stereo system, but time and decay made them v muffled, although they can be listened to just about (actually I wonder if I still have those somewhere...?). AM recordings at 10pm-midnight would be v > crackly, possibly. Like others, I am happy to hear shows in any > quality short of unlistenable, and not just for what Peel says, but for the totality of the experience, and simply to know they survive. > > I am sure it has occurred to others that those doing the digitising not only need to agree on a digital file format standard (which > appears to have been done > already!), but also a cataloguing system and application. Whoever is doing the divvying out needs to give each tape a clear number before the digitising gets under way. Then there are the agreed fields of data required for each tape (date, duration, featured items, running order?, > notes, edits, etc.. to be discussed), and the application: You could use a database, if there is one that everyone is likely to have which is simple, or (don't snigger), excel is pretty universal, I did both books' sessionography in it and my big bro does mutliple data daily for an international engineering company with excel files containing thousands and thousands of entries or rows, all relating to each other, so it can do almost anything we'd want, as long as we agreed on the fields or columns, surely? I think you would need two > spreadsheets that talked to each other: one with a single row of agreed main data for each every TAPE/ SHOW; then one which was an individual > sheet for each TAPE / SHOW with the full track listing and any notes, even maybe a field for transcribing Peel's links... Just a thought... > > On the continuing issue of some kind of eventual Peel Archive online, I too have been mulling this over. I think for the time being let's just share the stuff and document what is out there and is emerging. Eventually, though, I suspect something might be possible. A friend of mine, a professor at a with-it institution, has been advising the BBC on its digital strategy and claims their new objective is to liase with and facilitate other social networks, and not try to do it all themselves. However, in that context the (incomplete, out of date and frequently bonkers) 'official' peel pages occasionally accessible via Radio 1's website are a peculiar exception! And so would be the rumour I have heard from inside sources recently that BBC Worldwide is working on a project to create a website where people can listen to and purchase for download BBC session tracks (not just Peel's, please note!), both current and from the archive. But there is a world of difference between doing this for discrete, identifiable copyright tracks by named artists, and complete show recordings of variable quality: even if that rumour is true, I doubt they would even contemplate the enormity of the task of making complete shows available in this manner. But for someone else to stream a rotating sequence of archive shows might be possible even under existing > copyright legislation, if the BBC chose to recognise the credibility of the organisation doing it (it sells TV shows for repeats by any TV channel in the world, so why not...?). If we were to demonstrate our capacity to do this by how we deal with these new tapes, for example, that might go some way to helping. Any such official website / > archive / association project would of course need the BBC, Radio 1, Sheila's and the Selwoods' consent. But if we got the last two, or even three, of those, then the institional support from the top of the organisation might just fall into line, eventually. I can > envisage some form of > trust /association being recognised by these stakeholders. Such a site could then be much more than that and grow data organically, with eventually a data entry for every show, which would indicate if it is known to exist in any of the public or private archives we can > identify (and thereby request and identify those that are missing from any visitors to the site). > > I feel, however, as I say, that's all some way off in the future. The first step towards any such formal recognition or credibility of this group as the official custodians of the Peel legacy/archive - > (alongside how we deal with the tapes!) - might be perhaps some form of face to face meeting, a Peel Listeners' Convention, which could seek, among other fun things (gigs, guests, debates, etc), to > finalise and ratify a draft constitution or terms-of-reference > articulating the association's aims, membership, and so on, which could be circulated in draft electronically in advance. Sounds > dreary, i know, but if we were to decide to be truly serious about this (including maybe seeking national lottery funding - I am not joking, there have been other digital musical archiving projects that have won cash from this source!), we'd need to do that kind of > thing... > > ken > > From ken_garner@... Tue Jul 29 22:18:41 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:18:41 -0000 Subject: I spend two weeks in the hot spa tubs of Budapest and... In-Reply-To: <2550.82.44.181.124.1217359422.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Message-ID: I agree with all that, Phil. I was only posting on the topic of a site/database/archive because a few people have raised it here and some have also been asking me privately. I know I could not - and would not wish - to attempt it myself. I am simply saying if the list DID want to think about it for the future (we might not), these were some of the issues that struck me. For now, there is enough autonomous energy here getting on with things and let's see how we go. Who was it who started the Peel wiki site? That's a nice idea in principle if we did decide to pool our existing collective data, for a start... ...on another matter, yes, sorry, that's right, I'd completely forgotten that: with the switch in October 1988 to the new all day Radio 1 FM frequencies and Peel moving forward to 8.30-10.30, combined with the end of the 10pm-midnight R1/2 simulcast, Peel was for several months for the first time in years actually unavailable on FM to certain parts of the country, because the R1 FM network was not then 100% complete. I seem to recall him reading out several distressed listener's letters about it. I think some of the places affected were East Anglia/Lincolnshire, Northern Ireland, and much of Wales. I think it was 1990/91 before all these gaps in the new R1 FM network were plugged. ken PS. in my previous I obviously meant those shows John's just posted were maybe Mon 3 - Fri 7 Oct 77 (not the 5th, sorry) --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, festive50@... wrote: > > Whoa Ken Whoa! > A mighty ambitious project indeed and nobody has commented yet. Maybe most > people think that this beyond the scope of this group. > I for one am interested, as I had already started a database along these > lines but never finished. > It consisted of a lot of my tracklistings, listings from Lorcan's website > plus listings extracted from the BBC's listing sites. > It currently stands at about 20,000 tracks and is in my preferred database > software (MS Access). Although Excel can be used for DBs, Access is > purpose built for such a task. It can however be exported to Excel or > ASCII. > > Briefly, I was "A listener writes" on p136 in Ken's latest tome. > > Basically > I started taping JP whilst in hospital on 2 occasions in 1987 > My nephew took up the baton but with gusto and created about 300 tapes > (1990-1992). About 10 years later he started giving me packs of 10 tapes > (including the tracklistings) for birthday and christmas presents. > As I listened to them I checked and edited the tracklistings > I received the last of these last Christmas. > A lot of these tapes tracklistings weren't checked and edited as I'd > abandoned this project and just used to play them in the car. > > Ironically, I was in hospital in May and returned to this project of > annotating these listings and am still doing so (about another 80 tapes to > go). > I'd also started digitising these tapes and putting them up on the Peel > Server which I ran and which sadly died while I was in hospital. > I've just built a new IBM/Windows 2003 server. I just need to get a > SCSI/IDE adaptor and I can then repopulate with all the shows I have and > get back to digitising my 600+ tapes. > I did start adding to my collection with the various shares (DivShare, > RapidShare etc.),advertised on this site but I found them very hit and > miss. ie. where links became out of date, or didn't work, or you had to > pay for premium download otherwise you could only DL once a day. I didn't > really get on with BitTorrent either. There was always Gary's server but > somehow my original log in credentials no longer work. > You mentioned the various fields Ken. But what would be really useful is a > standardised file naming convention. > I prefer Peel yyyymmdd - Session Artists.mp3/flac etc. > This way, when sorting on file names you get them in chronological date > order. > > Phil > > > ...just got back to uk from holiday and have now caught up on all the > astonishing correspondence here via my aged dad's PC. First of all, yes, > the seller of the tapes had evidently tried to email me but this was after > I left the country, sorry. But it all worked out ok, thanks to dee dee, > rocker and everyone. And despite pledging my twenty quid in > advance, I also appear to have missed the cough-up period, sorry. I agree > with Mark, these are probably low-Q FM recordings rather than AM, as > Martin says, yes, from October 71 all Peel's late evening shows (excluding > the first 9 months of 75, the BBC '3-day week' > > period) were on the Radio 2 FM frequency as well as R1 AM, until R1 FM > for almost 24 hrs launched in Oct 88 anyway. Some friends gave me their > prized shoeboxes of Peel show tapes (about 30 tapes in all, mostly 79-81, > I think) when I was doing In Session Tonight, taped on a stereo system, > but time and decay made them v muffled, although they can be listened to > just about (actually I wonder if I still have those > somewhere...?). AM recordings at 10pm-midnight would be v > > crackly, possibly. Like others, I am happy to hear shows in any > > quality short of unlistenable, and not just for what Peel says, but for > the totality of the experience, and simply to know they survive. > > > > I am sure it has occurred to others that those doing the digitising not > only need to agree on a digital file format standard (which > > appears to have been done > > already!), but also a cataloguing system and application. Whoever is > doing the divvying out needs to give each tape a clear number before the > digitising gets under way. Then there are the agreed fields of data > required for each tape (date, duration, featured items, running order?, > > notes, edits, etc.. to be discussed), and the application: You could use > a database, if there is one that everyone is likely to have which is > simple, or (don't snigger), excel is pretty universal, I did both books' > sessionography in it and my big bro does mutliple data daily for an > international engineering company with excel files containing thousands > and thousands of entries or rows, all relating to each other, so it can do > almost anything we'd want, as long as we agreed on the fields or columns, > surely? I think you would need two > > spreadsheets that talked to each other: one with a single row of agreed > main data for each every TAPE/ SHOW; then one which was an individual > > sheet for each TAPE / SHOW with the full track listing and any notes, > even maybe a field for transcribing Peel's links... Just a thought... > > > > On the continuing issue of some kind of eventual Peel Archive online, I > too have been mulling this over. I think for the time being let's just > share the stuff and document what is out there and is emerging. > Eventually, though, I suspect something might be possible. A friend of > mine, a professor at a with-it institution, has been advising the BBC on > its digital strategy and claims their new objective is to liase with and > facilitate other social networks, and not try to do it all themselves. > However, in that context the (incomplete, out of date and frequently > bonkers) 'official' peel pages occasionally accessible via Radio 1's > website are a peculiar exception! And so would be the rumour I have heard > from inside sources recently that BBC Worldwide is working on a project to > create a website where people can listen to and purchase for download BBC > session tracks (not just Peel's, please note!), both > current and from the archive. But there is a world of difference between > doing this for discrete, identifiable copyright tracks by named artists, > and complete show recordings of variable quality: even if that rumour is > true, I doubt they would even contemplate the enormity of the task of > making complete shows available in this manner. But for someone else to > stream a rotating sequence of archive shows might be possible even under > existing > > copyright legislation, if the BBC chose to recognise the credibility of > the organisation doing it (it sells TV shows for repeats by any TV channel > in the world, so why not...?). If we were to demonstrate our capacity to > do this by how we deal with these new tapes, for example, that might go > some way to helping. Any such official website / > > archive / association project would of course need the BBC, Radio 1, > Sheila's and the Selwoods' consent. But if we got the last two, or even > three, of those, then the institional support from the top of the > organisation might just fall into line, eventually. I can > > envisage some form of > > trust /association being recognised by these stakeholders. Such a site > could then be much more than that and grow data organically, with > eventually a data entry for every show, which would indicate if it is > known to exist in any of the public or private archives we can > > identify (and thereby request and identify those that are missing from > any visitors to the site). > > > > I feel, however, as I say, that's all some way off in the future. The > first step towards any such formal recognition or credibility of this > group as the official custodians of the Peel legacy/archive - > > (alongside how we deal with the tapes!) - might be perhaps some form of > face to face meeting, a Peel Listeners' Convention, which could seek, > among other fun things (gigs, guests, debates, etc), to > > finalise and ratify a draft constitution or terms-of-reference > > articulating the association's aims, membership, and so on, which could > be circulated in draft electronically in advance. Sounds > > dreary, i know, but if we were to decide to be truly serious about this > (including maybe seeking national lottery funding - I am not joking, there > have been other digital musical archiving projects that have won cash from > this source!), we'd need to do that kind of > > thing... > > > > ken > > > > > From roger.carruthers@... Tue Jul 29 22:32:13 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:32:13 +0100 Subject: [peel] I spend two weeks in the hot spa tubs of Budapest and... In-Reply-To: <2550.82.44.181.124.1217359422.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Message-ID: I thoroughly second the file naming convention, if only for the reasons I¹ve brought up here before. I started trying to make sense of my collection of downloaded recordings recently, and it¹s a nightmare working out what¹s what! I also tried building a Peel tapes database for an SQL assignment at college not so long ago, and even just populating it with a handful of tapes, I was cursing whoever had named the damn things ;-) Just to throw another idea into the mix, it occurred to me that a server running something like Dot Tunes (see http://www.dottunes.net/ ) might be a nice idea for our accumulated wealth of recordings. We¹ve been running a sound effects server using Dot Tunes on an old G4 where I work for a year or so and it¹s been rock solid. The great thing about this approach is that you can just listen to stuff even if you don¹t want to actually download it, or audition before you download, and you can control access to the server by IP address, and/or password etc. We¹re actually running an older version, before they adopted the rather convoluted plug-in model, but it¹s had quite heavy use was pretty much a no-brainer to set up. Just a thought, anyway... Cheers Roger On 29/07/2008 20:23, "festive50@..." wrote: > > > > Whoa Ken Whoa! > A mighty ambitious project indeed and nobody has commented yet. Maybe most > people think that this beyond the scope of this group. > I for one am interested, as I had already started a database along these > lines but never finished. > It consisted of a lot of my tracklistings, listings from Lorcan's website > plus listings extracted from the BBC's listing sites. > It currently stands at about 20,000 tracks and is in my preferred database > software (MS Access). Although Excel can be used for DBs, Access is > purpose built for such a task. It can however be exported to Excel or > ASCII. > > Briefly, I was "A listener writes" on p136 in Ken's latest tome. > > Basically > I started taping JP whilst in hospital on 2 occasions in 1987 > My nephew took up the baton but with gusto and created about 300 tapes > (1990-1992). About 10 years later he started giving me packs of 10 tapes > (including the tracklistings) for birthday and christmas presents. > As I listened to them I checked and edited the tracklistings > I received the last of these last Christmas. > A lot of these tapes tracklistings weren't checked and edited as I'd > abandoned this project and just used to play them in the car. > > Ironically, I was in hospital in May and returned to this project of > annotating these listings and am still doing so (about another 80 tapes to > go). > I'd also started digitising these tapes and putting them up on the Peel > Server which I ran and which sadly died while I was in hospital. > I've just built a new IBM/Windows 2003 server. I just need to get a > SCSI/IDE adaptor and I can then repopulate with all the shows I have and > get back to digitising my 600+ tapes. > I did start adding to my collection with the various shares (DivShare, > RapidShare etc.),advertised on this site but I found them very hit and > miss. ie. where links became out of date, or didn't work, or you had to > pay for premium download otherwise you could only DL once a day. I didn't > really get on with BitTorrent either. There was always Gary's server but > somehow my original log in credentials no longer work. > You mentioned the various fields Ken. But what would be really useful is a > standardised file naming convention. > I prefer Peel yyyymmdd - Session Artists.mp3/flac etc. > This way, when sorting on file names you get them in chronological date > order. > > Phil > >> > ...just got back to uk from holiday and have now caught up on all the > astonishing correspondence here via my aged dad's PC. First of all, yes, > the seller of the tapes had evidently tried to email me but this was after > I left the country, sorry. But it all worked out ok, thanks to dee dee, > rocker and everyone. And despite pledging my twenty quid in > advance, I also appear to have missed the cough-up period, sorry. I agree > with Mark, these are probably low-Q FM recordings rather than AM, as > Martin says, yes, from October 71 all Peel's late evening shows (excluding > the first 9 months of 75, the BBC '3-day week' >> > period) were on the Radio 2 FM frequency as well as R1 AM, until R1 FM > for almost 24 hrs launched in Oct 88 anyway. Some friends gave me their > prized shoeboxes of Peel show tapes (about 30 tapes in all, mostly 79-81, > I think) when I was doing In Session Tonight, taped on a stereo system, > but time and decay made them v muffled, although they can be listened to > just about (actually I wonder if I still have those > somewhere...?). AM recordings at 10pm-midnight would be v >> > crackly, possibly. Like others, I am happy to hear shows in any >> > quality short of unlistenable, and not just for what Peel says, but for > the totality of the experience, and simply to know they survive. >> > >> > I am sure it has occurred to others that those doing the digitising not > only need to agree on a digital file format standard (which >> > appears to have been done >> > already!), but also a cataloguing system and application. Whoever is > doing the divvying out needs to give each tape a clear number before the > digitising gets under way. Then there are the agreed fields of data > required for each tape (date, duration, featured items, running order?, >> > notes, edits, etc.. to be discussed), and the application: You could use > a database, if there is one that everyone is likely to have which is > simple, or (don't snigger), excel is pretty universal, I did both books' > sessionography in it and my big bro does mutliple data daily for an > international engineering company with excel files containing thousands > and thousands of entries or rows, all relating to each other, so it can do > almost anything we'd want, as long as we agreed on the fields or columns, > surely? I think you would need two >> > spreadsheets that talked to each other: one with a single row of agreed > main data for each every TAPE/ SHOW; then one which was an individual >> > sheet for each TAPE / SHOW with the full track listing and any notes, > even maybe a field for transcribing Peel's links... Just a thought... >> > >> > On the continuing issue of some kind of eventual Peel Archive online, I > too have been mulling this over. I think for the time being let's just > share the stuff and document what is out there and is emerging. > Eventually, though, I suspect something might be possible. A friend of > mine, a professor at a with-it institution, has been advising the BBC on > its digital strategy and claims their new objective is to liase with and > facilitate other social networks, and not try to do it all themselves. > However, in that context the (incomplete, out of date and frequently > bonkers) 'official' peel pages occasionally accessible via Radio 1's > website are a peculiar exception! And so would be the rumour I have heard > from inside sources recently that BBC Worldwide is working on a project to > create a website where people can listen to and purchase for download BBC > session tracks (not just Peel's, please note!), both > current and from the archive. But there is a world of difference between > doing this for discrete, identifiable copyright tracks by named artists, > and complete show recordings of variable quality: even if that rumour is > true, I doubt they would even contemplate the enormity of the task of > making complete shows available in this manner. But for someone else to > stream a rotating sequence of archive shows might be possible even under > existing >> > copyright legislation, if the BBC chose to recognise the credibility of > the organisation doing it (it sells TV shows for repeats by any TV channel > in the world, so why not...?). If we were to demonstrate our capacity to > do this by how we deal with these new tapes, for example, that might go > some way to helping. Any such official website / >> > archive / association project would of course need the BBC, Radio 1, > Sheila's and the Selwoods' consent. But if we got the last two, or even > three, of those, then the institional support from the top of the > organisation might just fall into line, eventually. I can >> > envisage some form of >> > trust /association being recognised by these stakeholders. Such a site > could then be much more than that and grow data organically, with > eventually a data entry for every show, which would indicate if it is > known to exist in any of the public or private archives we can >> > identify (and thereby request and identify those that are missing from > any visitors to the site). >> > >> > I feel, however, as I say, that's all some way off in the future. The > first step towards any such formal recognition or credibility of this > group as the official custodians of the Peel legacy/archive - >> > (alongside how we deal with the tapes!) - might be perhaps some form of > face to face meeting, a Peel Listeners' Convention, which could seek, > among other fun things (gigs, guests, debates, etc), to >> > finalise and ratify a draft constitution or terms-of-reference >> > articulating the association's aims, membership, and so on, which could > be circulated in draft electronically in advance. Sounds >> > dreary, i know, but if we were to decide to be truly serious about this > (including maybe seeking national lottery funding - I am not joking, there > have been other digital musical archiving projects that have won cash from > this source!), we'd need to do that kind of >> > thing... >> > >> > ken >> > >> > > > > From saipanda@... Wed Jul 30 06:31:33 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:31:33 -0000 Subject: my one and only tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Among all the many great contributions lately, just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this rare survivor from 1986. JP seems in a very good mood and plays several longstanding favourite acts (although no Fall). Also managed to start one song at the wrong speed! Following recent discussion on tracklistings, here's the lineup for this show: Bhundu Boys: Shabhini The Freeze: No One's Coming Home 14 Iced Bears: Balloon Song (session) Sugar Minott: Seven Times Rise And Fall Passmore Sisters: Goodbye Billy Wild (session) Emanon: Fresh Beats De Vincis: The Book Undertones: Billy's Third (session version) Throwing Muses: Vicky's Box 14 Iced Bears: Cut (session) Taxman: Discriminator Roy Orbison: Domino (from "Born Bad") Passmore Sisters: Sally Why? (session) (tape flip) Screaming Jay Hawkins: I Put A Spell On You (from "Stranger than Paradise") 14 Ice Bears: Shy Like You (session) A Witness: Smelt Like A Pedestrian Vasa Da Skolas(??): Unknown Title (in Greek) New Order: Bizarre Love Triangle 14 Iced Bears: Train Song (session) Original Concept: Pump That Bass Stump: Tupperware Stripper (wrong speed start) Charlie Patten: Green River Blues Passmore Sisters: Hit The Ground (session) Marshmallow Overcoat: Groovy Little Trip Age Of Chance: Kiss Agree with Ken that it would be good to agree some kind of central database for tracklistings, especially with all the material from the 400 tapes coming up. Maybe the Wilki thing is the way to go, or at least some sort of other online thing--preferably one where all you need to do the equivalent of filling in a form for the various fields. Does anyone have the computer smarts and time to set this up? Cheers, Steve From saipanda@... Thu Jul 31 10:19:16 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:19:16 -0000 Subject: State of play Message-ID: Hi folks, Seems to have gone slightly quiet in the last day or two. Thought perhaps I could a try and sum up the current state of play on the tapes as I understand it. A bit hazy on some points, so please feel free to throw in clarifications, corrections, further ideas, etc. 1. The tapes were collected by Rocker, who is holding onto them right now. In due course, he will start sending them off around the country (not internationally?) for digitizing by those who have volunteered. Postage and packing costs will be covered by those who have already put their hands up for financial contributions. Rocker, guess you need people to get in touch with you directly with their addresses (for sending tapes to) or to sort out getting money to you. Is this happening already? How's it going? Guess it makes good sense to go with Ken's idea and start by giving every tape an ID number so we can keep a track on who has what. Incidentally, do we have a final tally for just how many tapes we ended up with? Agree with Rocker that might be best if all the tapes are returned to him after digitizing so the collection can be kept together while a longterm home is pondered. 2. As agreed, digitizing for the archive should be in FLAC format. In the interest of standardizing things, I agree with previous suggestions that file names should be done on the following basis: Peel yyyy/mm/dd (session artists) Maybe we could add the tape ID number in there, as well as a/b to indicate the side of the tape, although not exactly sure of the best place to put this. At the end? For example: Peel 1978/10/25 (Fabulous Poodles, Metal Urbain) (101a) 3. I'm not exactly sure where FLAC files will be uploaded to initially, although think there's been a number of suggestions. Maybe I've missed something here. There's also the related matter of a permanent archive. The size of FLAC files might make it tricky to use services like megaupload or rapidshare for uploads of these. Maybe a server (or bittorrent tracker) could be best? 4. As discussed before, big downloads might be tricky for some people for various reasons, so people (original tape converters or other list members) might want to make additional mp3 versions from FLAC files for uploading to rapidshare, megaupload, whatever. This would only be an additional thing to widen access. Whatever central archive is used should be FLAC files only. 5. The list should be notified of any new uploads. 6. Not exactly sure on the best thing for tracklistings in the short term. Elsewhere, I've seen them uploaded on txt format files to go with the music file. Think this would be fine as an initial thing. Perhaps if any people who do digitizing of tapes find doing tracklistings as well too much time/trouble, we could throw open the job for particular FLAC files to volunteers from the list. Alternatively (additionally?), there's the question of a database, which would be excellent if it can be set up relatively easily. Seems to me it would be best to have something online and the simpler to use the better. Sorry to go on at length here. I was thinking it might be good to try and bring together the various things related to the tapes at the moment, trying to get things clear in my own mind as much as anything. Many thanks again to everyone involved in this whole thing. Can't wait to hear the results! Cheers, Steve W From wewalkforonereason@... Thu Jul 31 11:15:28 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:15:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] State of play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/7/31 saipanda : > Hi folks, > Peel yyyy/mm/dd (session artists) Windows filenames can't have slashes in them. The preferred international date format these days is *ISO8601, which is CCYY-MM-DD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 NOT CCYYMMDD, or CCYY.MM.DD or any variation thereof. In some operating systems case is significant, so "peel" is different from "Peel". In addition, under some circumstances spaces in filenames and file paths may be problematic. Therefore the 2 options are probably: PeelCCYY-MM-DD or: peelCCYY-MM-DD There's no need for any additional information in the filename except perhaps the source. Often times sources that match etree database entries are identified as follows: gd1980-08-17.sbd.miller.93037.sbeok.flac16 In this example, the details are available here: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=93037 sbd identifies the source (eg audience or sb) miller identifies the person that prepared or circulated the material sbeok identifies that the files are cut correctly for CD burning flac16 identifies the format and sample size 93037 - the number in the middle - is the id and enables further details to be accessed on the etree website. Since the broadcast source and etree id are all but redundant [unless the recording details were to be stored on etree], a peel recording could be identified as follows: (for side A) - "peel1981-12-01.rocker.a.flac" (for side B) - "peel1981-12-01.rocker.b.flac" If there is a requirement to include the "internal" id used (for instance to apply to rocker's tapes), then that could be used too: peel1981-12-01.id-goes-here.rocker.a.flac peel1981-12-01.id-goes-here.rocker.b.flac (There wouldn't be any need to specify flac16, since anyone that chooses to digitise an FM>cassette source to 24 bit is likely insane). I am assuming that 44k is the standard sample rate to be used; I don't know if there is any demand for 48k. mp3 filenames would obviously match: peel1981-12-01.rocker.a.mp3 peel1981-12-01.rocker.b.mp3 The text file and md5 file and/or ffp file use the same naming convention: peel1981-12-01.rocker.txt peel1981-12-01.rocker.ffp peel1981-12-01.rocker.md5 The name that comes between the date and format should probably used to identify the person who performed the digitisation. For instance, person A may perform a flawed digitisation, and when it is redone by person B, there is then a clear way of identifying which source is which. peel1981-12-01.rocker.a.flac peel1981-12-01.doofus.a.flac I don't collect or listen to old Peel shows - it's only the sessions that interest me - but there is also a question of tracking. If these are stored and shared as individual flac files per show (or per cassette side), then the files are quite large, but easy to "transport", because they are fewer in number. On the other hand, complete (or even incomplete) shows that are tracked are more likely to raise issues of copyright, since they are more explicitly copyright thefts. If we have, for instance: peel1981-12-01.rocker.t01.flac peel1981-12-01.rocker.t02.flac peel1981-12-01.rocker.t03.flac peel1981-12-01.rocker.t04.flac peel1981-12-01.rocker.t05.flac and tracks 01, 03 and 05 are JP links, and t02 is an unreleased session track, and t04 is a commercially issued recording, then the fileset facilitates copyright theft to an extreme degree. At least with shows that are archived in large, single files, the copyright issue is obfuscated by the presentation of the show as a whole as a single item of legitimate historical interest. Furthermore, there are fewer concerns with recordings being cut to CD sector boundaries (for those who wish to burn to CD) if the recordings are shared as large .flac files (covering an entire show, or side of a cassette). From deedeeramain@... Thu Jul 31 14:08:57 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] State of play Message-ID: <868609.56633.qm@...> Wow! Well done Steve and Alasdair for taking the time to summarise the state of play. Alasdairs's file naming essay might be considered boring by some folk I'm sure but it is a well thought out and presented guide to a protocol we should be adhering to. (I'll be amazed if we manage to present 400+ tape digitisations in this format!). I agree that sessions' information is unnecessary - the data could be presented as an additional track-listing file or we can simply consult Ken's bible! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:15:28 PM Subject: Re: [peel] State of play 2008/7/31 saipanda : > Hi folks, > Peel yyyy/mm/dd (session artists) Windows filenames can't have slashes in them. The preferred international date format these days is *ISO8601, which is CCYY-MM-DD. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ ISO_8601 NOT CCYYMMDD, or CCYY.MM.DD or any variation thereof. In some operating systems case is significant, so "peel" is different from "Peel". In addition, under some circumstances spaces in filenames and file paths may be problematic. Therefore the 2 options are probably: PeelCCYY-MM- DD or: peelCCYY-MM- DD There's no need for any additional information in the filename except perhaps the source. Often times sources that match etree database entries are identified as follows: gd1980-08-17. sbd.miller. 93037.sbeok. flac16 In this example, the details are available here: http://db.etree. org/shninfo_ detail.php? shnid=93037 sbd identifies the source (eg audience or sb) miller identifies the person that prepared or circulated the material sbeok identifies that the files are cut correctly for CD burning flac16 identifies the format and sample size 93037 - the number in the middle - is the id and enables further details to be accessed on the etree website. Since the broadcast source and etree id are all but redundant [unless the recording details were to be stored on etree], a peel recording could be identified as follows: (for side A) - "peel1981-12- 01.rocker. a.flac" (for side B) - "peel1981-12- 01.rocker. b.flac" If there is a requirement to include the "internal" id used (for instance to apply to rocker's tapes), then that could be used too: peel1981-12- 01.id-goes- here.rocker. a.flac peel1981-12- 01.id-goes- here.rocker. b.flac (There wouldn't be any need to specify flac16, since anyone that chooses to digitise an FM>cassette source to 24 bit is likely insane). I am assuming that 44k is the standard sample rate to be used; I don't know if there is any demand for 48k. mp3 filenames would obviously match: peel1981-12- 01.rocker. a.mp3 peel1981-12- 01.rocker. b.mp3 The text file and md5 file and/or ffp file use the same naming convention: peel1981-12- 01.rocker. txt peel1981-12- 01.rocker. ffp peel1981-12- 01.rocker. md5 The name that comes between the date and format should probably used to identify the person who performed the digitisation. For instance, person A may perform a flawed digitisation, and when it is redone by person B, there is then a clear way of identifying which source is which. peel1981-12- 01.rocker. a.flac peel1981-12- 01.doofus. a.flac I don't collect or listen to old Peel shows - it's only the sessions that interest me - but there is also a question of tracking. If these are stored and shared as individual flac files per show (or per cassette side), then the files are quite large, but easy to "transport", because they are fewer in number. On the other hand, complete (or even incomplete) shows that are tracked are more likely to raise issues of copyright, since they are more explicitly copyright thefts. If we have, for instance: peel1981-12- 01.rocker. t01.flac peel1981-12- 01.rocker. t02.flac peel1981-12- 01.rocker. t03.flac peel1981-12- 01.rocker. t04.flac peel1981-12- 01.rocker. t05.flac and tracks 01, 03 and 05 are JP links, and t02 is an unreleased session track, and t04 is a commercially issued recording, then the fileset facilitates copyright theft to an extreme degree. At least with shows that are archived in large, single files, the copyright issue is obfuscated by the presentation of the show as a whole as a single item of legitimate historical interest. Furthermore, there are fewer concerns with recordings being cut to CD sector boundaries (for those who wish to burn to CD) if the recordings are shared as large .flac files (covering an entire show, or side of a cassette). From jimmystep@... Thu Jul 31 15:35:45 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:35:45 -0000 Subject: [peel] State of play Message-ID: I've just ploughed through over 200 Peel group e-mails since my return from holiday (Disney Florida, hard work) and now, finally, I'm up to date. My, you chaps have been very busy :-) I'm obviously too late to pledge my £20 but please mark me down for helping with the postage and packing and any other incidentals that may crop up I'd just like to agree with a few suggestions that have been made so far and maybe add a couple. Try and get the best initial transfer. Sound cards are not all created equal. Inspect the tape for problems, take up slack, fast-forward both sides. Make sure your tape deck is up to scratch, heads cleaned and demagnetised. Adjust azimuth for each tape, it does make a difference. (I'll stick Dimes tutorial in the file section) If your system and sound card have optical connections, use them. File formats and archiving to flac have been adequately covered by Alasdair and Steve W, which saved me time and effort by covering them, thanks. I'll maybe add some comments in a further reply. Archives are better secured if copies are kept in different locations therefore I suggest that the digitisers keep a copy of the flac/tx/md5 files intact when they return the tapes and include a copy to Rocker and a further copy to a third person. This would also help out whenever the torrenting is organised, as 3 full copies will be available right from the start which speeds up distribution. Another point to note is that 400 C90 tapes would be roughly 200Gb in flac format so make sure you have enough space available. It also equates to 600 hours and I'd guess that at least a couple of reviews will be required so make that 1800 hours. It's a big job. Who's up for project managing? Cheers ..Jimmy Just remembered, postage of the tapes should be Special Delivery. Expensive but the PO generally take extra care when you pay the premium! From peel@yahoogroups.com Thu Jul 31 15:37:14 2008 From: peel@yahoogroups.com (peel@yahoogroups.com) Date: 31 Jul 2008 13:37:14 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to peel Message-ID: <1217511434.12819.75102.w104@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the peel group. File : /Azimuth Adjustment Tutorial.doc Uploaded by : jimmystep Description : Azimuth Adjustment tutorial You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/files/Azimuth%20Adjustment%20Tutorial.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jimmystep From iceage01@... Thu Jul 31 18:18:32 2008 From: iceage01@... (ckitlee) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:18:32 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes - Contributions list In-Reply-To: <234412.16204.qm@...> Message-ID: Wonder if you all still accepts late contribution as I've just returned from a holiday. Cheers Lee --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Susi Maxwell-Stewart wrote: > > please if you need postage money count me in as i have no paypal account either > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: deedeeramain > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, 22 July, 2008 10:11:31 PM > Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes - Contributions list > > > Hello all! > > As promised, I'll provide a list of contributions to the recent Ebay > John Peel Shoe Box Tape Bonanza! > > Totalling up the sum of payments for the Peel tapes on Ebay, we got > 464.24 pounds in roughly 20 pound increments (for some reason the > payments came to me as 20.0, 19.02 and 19.12 pounds). > Cost of the tapes was 529 pounds leaving a shortfall of 64.76 > pounds. > Gary Smith and I split the difference between us and I refunded the > rest of Gary's mega contribution. > > (I thought it best if we wrap up the sale of the tapes here. Other > people wanted to contribute but didn't have a PayPal account etc so > I'm hoping there will be volunteers if Rocker needs a > postage+packing fund) > > I'm going to post a couple of pics (screenshots) showing the > payments coming into my PayPal account. > > Thanks everybody for your generosity - look forward to hearing the > fruits of our endeavour! > > DeeDee > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > From rockerq@... Thu Jul 31 23:27:27 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:27:27 EDT Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes Message-ID: OK I feel the need to get things moving! I am at present going through the box and putting the cassettes into date order - this is complicated by some tapes being unmarked, some marked with more than one date, and some with conflicting dates on the tape and the inlay card! I'll have to listen to quite a few of them to check. Once I have them in some sort of order I will start putting them onto a simple excel spreadsheet - I assume that the data in this form will be fairly easy to convert to whatever we may decide to use as a cataloguing system long-term. Much as I dislike Microsoft I know roughly how to use Excel, and the files will be compatible with most folks' setups, PC, Mac or Linux! I reckon in a week I may be at the point where I can start mailing tapes out. I agree that special delivery will be best method of posting, and since no-one has objected I'll enclose the return postage in the packages. Agree that it will be a good idea for each ripper to enclose a copy of the FLACs on CDr or USB stick when they return the cassettes to me. Backup of a backup, and all that! OK so for people who want to contribute to the postage fund - this will include those who wanted to contribute their 20 quids to buying the tapes but were too late, or didn't have PayPal - you can send money via PayPal - my PayPal address is: rockerq@... Make sure you mention what the payment is for as this is quite a busy account! Also let me have your name (real or on list!) and email address. Alternatively you can send me carefully hidden cash (UK Sterling, Euros or US dollars) (notes only!), or cheques payable to S. Wood - to: S. Wood (Peel tapes) 17 Ormond Terrace Regent Street Cheltenham GL50 1HR UK Again remember to say what it's for and who it's from! Rippers: OK - You will need the equipment and ability to convert the cassette audio to a lossless digital format eg WAV; AIFF; FLAC - Ideally you will also need to be able to apply eq and maybe noise reduction, and normalize the levels, and then create a master FLAC for archiving. Optionally you may want to create smaller files too, probably on mp3, for internet distribution. I imagine some rippers will also be able to distribute files themselves, via Rapidshare etc. Please email me (rockerq@...) with your UK mailing address, your real name and your Peel List name - before I send out tapes next week I will mail a list of rippers to the peel group (will only include your name and which area of the UK you are in) so we all know who is involved. (So far have heard from Roger Carruthers in South Wales). Cheers! Rocker