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[ken garner]

Well to be honest I am in two minds about that. On the one hand I could not have done it 
without you lot, and giving data out here is hardly going to dent my sales, realistically (or 
lift them from the rock bottom of a dozen a week they have slumped to). But then it is still 
out there in the shops for the publisher and I did sign a contract you know...

I can't stop anyone who wants to using the shows index to date tapes (that was partly the 
point of it!) or indeed building organically a database of such shows or tapes, show by 
show, tape by tape - on you go, happy to help, etc.

But is it really snotty of me to have, I confess, a slight reluctance about handing over the 
full digital file just now? I mean, Geez, the hours I put into the thing over the years...

I shall mull this over further, perhaps while counting my royalties, penny by penny

(that was a joke)

k


--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Fewster" <r.fewster@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
> 
> I suspect that even starting from your Word document, there are various
> automated data parsing techniques that could split the text up into the
> fields required and save a fair bit of time (although I'd need to see it to
> be sure). I'd be prepared to take a look at it as long as you don't mind
> sending your document.
> 
> As a related point, would you in theory be OK with the concept of data that
> forms an important part of your book at some point appearing on the
> internet?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard
> 
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, ken garner <ken_garner@...> wrote:
> 
> >   Phil is right, so is Richard. A relational database in the end makes
> > more sense. Sadly,
> > though, i worked in applications that made sense for producing at speed a
> > book. The
> > shows index, part of which in a rough form I gave to Phil so he could
> > provide a large
> > number of corections, especially regarding the early 90s - now in a 7th
> > updated edition
> > since publication with a few corrections and additions - is and only ever
> > was an MS word
> > document. The Sessionography was originally created for bulk entry as an
> > excel
> > spreadsheet, but so many editorial changes were made later to the word
> > conversion the
> > publishers wanted as source, both by me before publication and subsequently
> > (though not
> > that many more wee corrections have come in this year), that it does not
> > now make sense
> > to go back and update or use it as a primary source the excel, unless
> > someone wanted to
> > read it all the way through, inserting corrections back into excel. And I
> > would not wish
> > that on anyone!
> >
> > ken
> >
> >
> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com <peel%40yahoogroups.com>, festive50@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > It does seem the best (most logical) way to go.
> > > I do have a some Word Docs from Ken with basic seesion dates which I've
> > > managed to import into my database. If Ken has all the sessions/tracks in
> > > a spreadsheet or database would be great to import into my db.
> > > I must admit, I'm not a great fan of Wiki.
> > > At present, I'm on the sun kissed I.O.W. with laptop, tracklistings,
> > about
> > > 40 Peel tapes and of course Ken's book. With a view to doing some more
> > > work on this DB.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Steve / fellow Peelites,
> > > >
> > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and whilst the Wiki in
> > general
> > > > is
> > > > a good idea, I wonder whether we would be better off with a
> > customisable,
> > > > database backed website to contain all the shows and track listings. My
> > > > reasoning is thus:
> > > > - Once you get everything in a database, it is far easier to perform
> > > > serches and filters on the data. For instance, you could find all
> > > > instances
> > > > of a particular artist being played, filter by shows that have full
> > MP3s
> > > > available and so on. I'm not sure the Wiki would be as powerful in that
> > > > regard. Wikis are good for unstructured information, but what we have
> > here
> > > > is fairly narrow, tightly structured data.
> > > > - I believe Phil Edwards already has a huge number of tracklistings in
> > an
> > > > Access database format already, so I'd imagine this is a good place to
> > > > expose this and would (hopefully) need limited effort to integrate into
> > > > the
> > > > site. To type all that into the Wiki would potentially be prohibitive.
> > > > - If we could also get hold of a digital format of Ken's list of all
> > > > shows
> > > > and sessions, we cold enter those into the database and allow
> > > > tracklistings,
> > > > file links etc to be added to that against each show.
> > > >
> > > > So what I imagine would work nicely is to create an interactive
> > database
> > > > backed website that is protected by user names and passwords. Once
> > > > authenticated, a user would be able to enter in all the information
> > Steve
> > > > was planning on allowing in the Wiki against a particular show, except
> > in
> > > > a
> > > > controlled format as determined by what we wanted to have in the
> > database
> > > > (e.g. artist, album, label, session. whether a recording exists, etc
> > etc).
> > > > The site could then have search / report functionality allowing people
> > to
> > > > slice and dice the information in various ways.
> > > >
> > > > Initially the site would be populated with Ken's exhaustive list of all
> > > > shows, and Phil's tracklistings and any others trackilisting that other
> > > > people have compiled digitally. Then we can each do as much as we like
> > in
> > > > terms of marking the shows that have recordings available and filling
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > missing tracklistings as much as we can.
> > > >
> > > > Part of my job is web development and this is the sort of thing I have
> > > > knocked up before. All I'd need is some webspace that allows say
> > ASP.NET
> > > > and
> > > > SQL and I could fashion something basic. That and finding the time!
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts? Ken, do you have the appendix of your book with all the
> > > > shows
> > > > in a spreadsheet format or something like that? Phil, does this fit in
> > > > potentially with what you were intending with your tracklistings
> > database?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, saipanda <saipanda@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Ken,
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for taking time to check it out and reply.
> > > >>
> > > >> Easy enough to include related links (internal or external) as part
> > the
> > > >> comments section at
> > > >> the top, which is intended for people to write introductions (short or
> > > >> long) on the shows.
> > > >>
> > > >> I was thinking if no digital file exists but there is known audio,
> > this
> > > >> can
> > > >> be made clear in
> > > >> file section at the bottom, along the lines of this one):
> > > >>
> > > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/15_January_1993
> > > >>
> > > >> Thinking links for previous postings can be along the lines of the DVD
> > > >> Torrent set one at
> > > >> the bottom of the link in my last message. Easy enough just to say
> > > >> "Fades
> > > >> In Slowly" "Peel
> > > >> Newsgroup" etc and add the link to the front page or wherever.
> > > >>
> > > >> See your point about the sessions. There is a whole section for
> > session
> > > >> details. I'll put a
> > > >> pointer in there for people to include if any of the tracks have been
> > > >> commercially released.
> > > >>
> > > >> On the file length, I was thinking this might be useful to indicate
> > > >> whether
> > > >> a full or partial
> > > >> version is available. If both, we can just have a double file section.
> > > >> Thinking this might be
> > > >> the case for the last night of Perfumed Garden, where there was the
> > > >> original shared file,
> > > >> then the full five-hour remastered epic, preserving original Peel
> > links
> > > >> with updated
> > > >> releases of the music. (Anyone who wants to sort this out, please feel
> > > >> free.) Have seen
> > > >> other similar "remastered" releases lately.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, following Ken's suggestions, here's the updated tracklistings
> > > >> template:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Show_tracklisting_template
> > > >>
> > > >> One thing I wondered is whether people feel strongly about including
> > the
> > > >> record label and
> > > >> format (eg, single, LP, CD) and even full album names as part of
> > > >> listings
> > > >> for individual
> > > >> songs, as on the BBC site and the Peel Playlist Archive. I don't have
> > > >> strong feelings about
> > > >> this and think it might be more trouble than it's worth for people.
> > > >> Happy
> > > >> to go along with
> > > >> the majority, however.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks again, Ken. Best to get this stuff considered at an early stage
> > > >> rather than have
> > > >> regrets later.
> > > >>
> > > >> Happy to have discussions about all this business here or on the
> > > >> Perfumed
> > > >> Garden forum,
> > > >> whichever seems good for people.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >>
> > > >> Steve W
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com <peel%40yahoogroups.com> <peel%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "ken garner"
> > > >> <ken_garner@> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider
> > squeezing
> > > >> in
> > > >> might
> > > >> include
> > > >> > a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement
> > > >> value;
> > > >> and whether
> > > >> show
> > > >> > exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if
> > > >> session
> > > >> tracks
> > > >> > available commercially...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ken
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com <peel%40yahoogroups.com> <peel%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "saipanda"
> > > >> <saipanda@> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> Perfumed
> > > >> Garden
> > > >> > > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the
> > following
> > > >> as
> > > >> a basic
> > > >> format:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Cheers,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Steve
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
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