From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 1 00:01:11 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:01:11 -0000 Subject: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: <6974965b0807281459s59b44483yd78d136af272c7bd@...> Message-ID: richard - i can't get this download link to work. Is it ok? Can you give me any more info about the show, of which I was unaware (unless it was one epidode of JP's Classic Sessions)? Was it definitely a stand alone documentary, involving i/view clips and archive actuality etc, as well as music, or just peel and records/sessions? ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Fewster" wrote: > > Hi all, > > It's long overdue I made a contribution to this glorious Peel-fest. > > I'm not sure if this is in general circularion, apologies if it is. It's a > tape I made of a R1 documentary written and narrated by the man himself to > commemorate the the 20th anniversary of the punk revolution back in 1996. I > think it is an importent artefact since Peel always understood what Punk was > really about - namely the breaking down of the barriers for countless > outsider artists, rather than the 3 chords, gobbing and safety pins. It > should be prescribed listening to anyone who ventures the opinion that Green > Day are Punk. > > http://rapidshare.com/files/133173326/John_Peel_- _Punk_documentary_1996.mp3.html > > Enjoy! > > Richard > From festive50@... Fri Aug 1 00:15:39 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:15:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] State of play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078.82.44.181.124.1217542539.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> re File Naming Not Peel yyyy/mm/dd (session artists) ie. omit the "/" seperator and definitely not the "." seperator. Below is an example of my file naming. Phil John Peel 19900101 - House of Love and The Fall Sessions.mp3 John Peel 19900122 - Nirvana Session.mp3 John Peel 19900501 - Robert Lloyd Session.mp3 John Peel 19900813 - The Fall Session (rpt).mp3 John Peel 19900820 - The Hearthrobs Session.mp3 John Peel 19900821 - The Crane Session(Debut).mp3 John Peel 19900823 - My Dad id Dead Session.mp3 John Peel 19900828 - Three Mustaphas Three Session - 128 kbps.mp3 John Peel 19900830 - The Cows Session.mp3 John Peel 19900904 - Bolt Thrower Session.mp3 John Peel 19900906 - Sex Clark 5 Session (rpt).mp3 John Peel 19900917 - Filthkick Session.mp3 John Peel 19900925 - Drive Session.mp3 John Peel 19900928 - 48 kbps.mp3 John Peel 19901229 - includes FF 26-20 - 128 kbps.mp3 > Hi folks, > > Seems to have gone slightly quiet in the last day or two. Thought perhaps > I could a try and > sum up the current state of play on the tapes as I understand it. > > A bit hazy on some points, so please feel free to throw in clarifications, > corrections, > further ideas, etc. > > > 1. The tapes were collected by Rocker, who is holding onto them right now. > In due course, > he will start sending them off around the country (not internationally?) > for digitizing by > those who have volunteered. Postage and packing costs will be covered by > those who have > already put their hands up for financial contributions. > > Rocker, guess you need people to get in touch with you directly with their > addresses (for > sending tapes to) or to sort out getting money to you. Is this happening > already? How's it > going? > > Guess it makes good sense to go with Ken's idea and start by giving every > tape an ID > number so we can keep a track on who has what. Incidentally, do we have a > final tally for > just how many tapes we ended up with? > > Agree with Rocker that might be best if all the tapes are returned to him > after digitizing so > the collection can be kept together while a longterm home is pondered. > > > 2. As agreed, digitizing for the archive should be in FLAC format. > > In the interest of standardizing things, I agree with previous suggestions > that file names > should be done on the following basis: > > Peel yyyy/mm/dd (session artists) > > Maybe we could add the tape ID number in there, as well as a/b to indicate > the side of the > tape, although not exactly sure of the best place to put this. At the end? > For example: > > Peel 1978/10/25 (Fabulous Poodles, Metal Urbain) (101a) > > > 3. I'm not exactly sure where FLAC files will be uploaded to initially, > although think there's > been a number of suggestions. Maybe I've missed something here. There's > also the > related matter of a permanent archive. > > The size of FLAC files might make it tricky to use services like > megaupload or rapidshare > for uploads of these. Maybe a server (or bittorrent tracker) could be > best? > > > > 4. As discussed before, big downloads might be tricky for some people for > various > reasons, so people (original tape converters or other list members) might > want to make > additional mp3 versions from FLAC files for uploading to rapidshare, > megaupload, > whatever. This would only be an additional thing to widen access. Whatever > central archive > is used should be FLAC files only. > > > 5. The list should be notified of any new uploads. > > > 6. Not exactly sure on the best thing for tracklistings in the short term. > Elsewhere, I've > seen them uploaded on txt format files to go with the music file. Think > this would be fine > as an initial thing. Perhaps if any people who do digitizing of tapes find > doing tracklistings > as well too much time/trouble, we could throw open the job for particular > FLAC files to > volunteers from the list. > > Alternatively (additionally?), there's the question of a database, which > would be excellent > if it can be set up relatively easily. Seems to me it would be best to > have something online > and the simpler to use the better. > > > Sorry to go on at length here. I was thinking it might be good to try and > bring together > the various things related to the tapes at the moment, trying to get > things clear in my own > mind as much as anything. > > Many thanks again to everyone involved in this whole thing. Can't wait to > hear the results! > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > From colinbray@... Fri Aug 1 02:26:10 2008 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:26:10 +0000 Subject: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: <6974965b0807241418g40b24a75g9faa75db22f8d14d@...> References: <6974965b0807241418g40b24a75g9faa75db22f8d14d@...> Message-ID: Dear friends, In response to Steve's question, I taped a large proportion of the shows broadcast during the 90s and also few from the late 80s and the early 2000s. These whole shows still exist on tapes in my loft and add up to hundreds of hours of JP goodness. As it stands, I have added approximately half the tracks broadcast and recorded to an Excel spreadsheet. This cataloguing work was hundreds of work hours behind when John died and I was so upset that I put the tapes away, never to touch them since. I have been following the eBay story with interest and this has caused me to feel guilty that my collection is languishing in analogue form. I had always assumed that the shows I recorded are fairly readily available online but maybe not! Although I cannot bear to part with my collection for charity or any other reason, perhaps if there is the demand we can find a way to get the collection digitised or otherwise more widely shared. I would not claim all the recordings are perfect quality but the quality does get better as the years roll on due to better technology etc. I am not particularly IT literate and have very little time what with a new baby in the house so doubt I will be able to digitise my collection very easily or quickly. If anybody wants to offer creative suggestions as to how we can utilise and share this material please respond/discuss on the board or PM me. I live in Exeter and would consider lending part or all my collection over time to somebody who is prepared to do some or all of this work. I would do what I could to assist. However, there may be a different way of approaching the problem. Suggestions welcome! I am happy to post a list of recorded shows when I get the chance but even this would be quite an undertaking and would take a week or two to put together. As I said, responses welcomed. With thanks, Colin. To: peel@yahoogroups.comFrom: r.fewster@gmail.comDate: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 +0100Subject: Re: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? I'd very much echo this. Of all the decades, it seems to me like the 90s is perhaps the least well represented, which is a shame for me since the early to mid 90s were my own Peel halycon days. Exceptions to this is Phil Edwards' fantastic coverage of 1990 and 1991, and some assorted 1991-2 shows that have cropped up on here in the last 6 months or so. 1993-98 are pretty much universally barren save the odd show here and there, before the BBC went online in 1999/2000 and thus recording to MP3 became much easier. Whilst I was happy to contribute to the recent ebay excitement, I'd have probably shelled out the £500 myself if the period on offer was 1990-1995! On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Steve wrote: Fellow PeelitesAll the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence.Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well represented by the Web.Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years?Best wishesSteve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 From saipanda@... Fri Aug 1 06:20:42 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:20:42 -0000 Subject: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, Think this should work. Please note the full link may appear split over two lines. Suggest you copy and paste the whole thing to the address section at the top of your browser. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > richard - i can't get this download link to work. Is it ok? Can you give me any more info > about the show, of which I was unaware (unless it was one epidode of JP's Classic > Sessions)? Was it definitely a stand alone documentary, involving i/view clips and archive > actuality etc, as well as music, or just peel and records/sessions? > > ken > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 1 06:32:19 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:32:19 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rocker, Thanks for your message. Good to hear the ball is ready to start rolling. Your email address seems to come out strangely on my software, as "rockerq@..." Seem to remember the same thing happened originally with DeeDee's. Perhaps you could repost it and split it over two lines. Cheers, Steve W From r.fewster@... Fri Aug 1 09:02:07 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:02:07 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: References: <6974965b0807281459s59b44483yd78d136af272c7bd@...> Message-ID: <6974965b0808010002h223c2139r76732a2b8e465d5e@...> From saipanda@... Fri Aug 1 10:11:52 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:11:52 -0000 Subject: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strange, Rocker's full email address seemed to come through OK on the email digest when I couldn't see it on the site. Actually, maybe this happened before with DeeDee's paypal link. Maybe it's part of the Yahoo site system setup. Anyway, following my own previous suggestion, for anyone still having problems here it is again, over two lines -- please backspace second line to put it together: rockerq@ aol. com Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Rocker, > > Thanks for your message. Good to hear the ball is ready to start rolling. > > Your email address seems to come out strangely on my software, as "rockerq@" > > Seem to remember the same thing happened originally with DeeDee's. Perhaps you could > repost it and split it over two lines. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 1 10:23:53 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:23:53 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yahoo deliberately obscure the e-mail address when you view posts on their site (to prevent e-mail harvesting). You can still click and reply (via the yahoo website) to an e-mail address that you can't read. 2008/8/1 saipanda : > Strange, Rocker's full email address seemed to come through OK on > the email digest when I couldn't see it on the site. > > Actually, maybe this happened before with DeeDee's paypal link. > Maybe it's part of the Yahoo site system setup. > > Anyway, following my own previous suggestion, for anyone still > having problems here it is again, over two lines -- please backspace > second line to put it together: > > rockerq@ > aol. com > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: >> >> Hi Rocker, >> >> Thanks for your message. Good to hear the ball is ready to start > rolling. >> >> Your email address seems to come out strangely on my software, > as "rockerq@" >> >> Seem to remember the same thing happened originally with DeeDee's. > Perhaps you could >> repost it and split it over two lines. From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 1 11:41:34 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:41:34 -0000 Subject: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: <6974965b0808010002h223c2139r76732a2b8e465d5e@...> Message-ID: thanks for the info, but still not working, must be my end: this is the reply my browser gives me: "Safari can't open the page "http://rapidshare.com/files/133173326/John_Peel_- _Punk_documentary_1996.mp3.html". The error was: "Operation could not be completed. (kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork error 302.)" (kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork:302) Please choose Report Bugs to Apple from the Safari menu, note the error number, and describe what you did before you saw this message." did several other downloads yesterday from rapidshare no problem... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Fewster" wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I just tried it again and it seems fine here. Hopefully you can get it > working by copying and pasting the link from both lines. If not I'll try > uploading it elsewhere. > > It was basically a documentary rather than a normal Peel show with records, > with Peel narrative interspersed with interviews and music clips. R1 made 4 > in the Punk Fiction series to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the > revolution - Peel's one was the first and covered Punk in general, then Lard > did one about British punk bands, Dave Grohl followed by focussing on the US > punk scene and finally Justine Frischmann covered women in Punk. > > Hopefully you'll be able to get it working then all will become clear. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:01 PM, ken garner wrote: > > > richard - i can't get this download link to work. Is it ok? Can you give > > me any more info > > about the show, of which I was unaware (unless it was one epidode of JP's > > Classic > > Sessions)? Was it definitely a stand alone documentary, involving i/view > > clips and archive > > actuality etc, as well as music, or just peel and records/sessions? > > > > ken > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Richard Fewster" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > It's long overdue I made a contribution to this glorious Peel-fest. > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is in general circularion, apologies if it is. It's > > a > > > tape I made of a R1 documentary written and narrated by the man himself > > to > > > commemorate the the 20th anniversary of the punk revolution back in 1996. > > I > > > think it is an importent artefact since Peel always understood what Punk > > was > > > really about - namely the breaking down of the barriers for countless > > > outsider artists, rather than the 3 chords, gobbing and safety pins. It > > > should be prescribed listening to anyone who ventures the opinion that > > Green > > > Day are Punk. > > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/133173326/John_Peel_- > > _Punk_documentary_1996.mp3.html > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 1 12:02:48 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:02:48 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/7/31 : > Rippers: > > OK - You will need the equipment and ability to convert the cassette audio > to a lossless digital format eg WAV; AIFF; FLAC - Ideally you will also need > to be able to apply eq and maybe noise reduction, and normalize the levels, > and then create a master FLAC for archiving. If others on this list are anything like me, they may already have significant hearing loss. I have cassette tapes on which I can no longer the hiss, although I know it is present. Noise reduction is a bad idea for those who don't know what they are doing, and it's a bad idea for those with hearing loss to do it (since they won't be able to hear the artifacts and problems that are introduced). I strongly recommend that noise reduction is NOT used. From jimmystep@... Fri Aug 1 12:33:41 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Peel Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <801601.21777.qm@...> --- On Fri, 1/8/08, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > Rippers: > > > > OK - You will need the equipment and ability to > convert the cassette audio > > to a lossless digital format eg WAV; AIFF; FLAC - > Ideally you will also need > > to be able to apply eq and maybe noise reduction, and > normalize the levels, > > and then create a master FLAC for archiving. > > If others on this list are anything like me, they may > already have > significant hearing loss. I have cassette tapes on which I > can no > longer the hiss, although I know it is present. > > Noise reduction is a bad idea for those who don't know > what they are > doing, and it's a bad idea for those with hearing loss > to do it (since > they won't be able to hear the artifacts and problems > that are > introduced). I strongly recommend that noise reduction is > NOT used. I'd tend to agree with Alasdair here. I would think your initial goal should be to get the best digital transfer done. Once that has been completed, copies of the archive file can then be worked on by all and sundry (although I do suggest some sort of quality control). Some people are much better at cleaning up sound than others. I tried it once and wouldn't ever attempt it again as I'm rubbish. On the other hand, I'm technically competent and I've been involved with the Incredible String Band project, Gods Holiday, doing most of the tape transfers. We have two sound guys that work together and they work well even though one is in Germany and the other in SW England. We also use a pernickety youngster, well at 30 he's young to us, for quality control that picks up every little glitch. It's worked for us; perhaps it could work for the Peel archive? Cheers....Jimmy __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 1 12:55:15 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:55:15 +0100 Subject: [peel] State of play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/7/31 saipanda : > Guess it makes good sense to go with Ken's idea and start by giving every tape an ID > number so we can keep a track on who has what. Incidentally, do we have a final tally for > just how many tapes we ended up with? > 6. Not exactly sure on the best thing for tracklistings in the short term. Elsewhere, I've > seen them uploaded on txt format files to go with the music file. Think this would be fine > as an initial thing. Perhaps if any people who do digitizing of tapes find doing tracklistings > as well too much time/trouble, we could throw open the job for particular FLAC files to > volunteers from the list. > > Alternatively (additionally?), there's the question of a database, which would be excellent > if it can be set up relatively easily. Seems to me it would be best to have something online > and the simpler to use the better. I didn't see any replies that addressed the informational / database side of things (yet). I haven't used http://peel.wikia.com/ (yet), but if it is available for this project (and I certainly think it is suitable), a wiki is as good a place as any to document this kind of project. I set up a wiki at my workplace several months ago and we are finding it very useful. Along the way we have encountered and solved a number of problems, and I can see several strategies for using http://peel.wikia.com/ to document and co-ordinate the project. Although wiki-fied data doesn't have the relational database format that would enable transportation and conversion to other platforms, it is very much the flavour of the month - or of the decade - and page data can be exported as XML, so there are some options for transport / conversion. I don't know of any off the shelf "real" database that would be up to the task (without additional programming), and although I am a programmer by trade, I don't have time to choose a platform for such a system, let alone write one. A wiki should do: it would provide simple ways to enumerate tapes within this project, to flesh out the contents of those tapes, and to create new articles like the ones that are already in the wiki, once the identification of each tape was confirmed. Secondly ... file naming revisited. I had another thought; I think that there is a strong argument for including the "source" (ie radio station) of any peel recording within the filename. And a couple more elements. So my new proposed standard naming convention is this: peelCCYY-MM-DD.source.id-goes-here.digitiser[.complete|.incomplete][.sequence][.sample size-bitrate].format Sequence represents tape "side", or tape number, and may not be appropriate or relevant in all cases. Bitrate would be assumed to be 16bit @ 44k unless otherwise stated. For instance: peel1981-12-01.r1am.id-goes-here.rocker.flac or peel1981-12-01.r1fm.id-goes-here.rocker.b.16-44.flac peel1981-12-01.r1fm.id-goes-here.rocker.b.256.mp3 peel1981-12-01.r1fm.id-goes-here.rocker.b.24-48.flac The mp3 example above doesn't indicate the lossless source from which it is derived, and I don't know if that would be of any importance or significance to those who want, or those who would prepare the mp3 versions. I don't use mp3 files myself, so I can't really comment - but if it were required, it oughtn't to be a problem to devise a convention that would infer the lossless source within the mp3 name. That would go something like this: peelCCYY-MM-DD.source.id-goes-here.digitiser[.complete|.incomplete][.sequence][.sample size-bitrate][.lossy attributes].format For example: peel1981-12-01.r1fm.id-goes-here.rocker.b.24-48.256.mp3 (ie an insane person makes a 24 bit / 48k digitisation which is then converted to a 256kbps mp3). The 44 / 48k sample rate issue might require some consideration; if anyone intends to burn to CD, 44k is the only choice. If anyone intends to burn to DVD, whether as LPCM or in a lossy format, 48k is the only choice. 44k > 48k conversions are suboptimal (better to capture in the preferred format to begin with), as are 48k > 44k conversions (although probably slightly less so). from what I understand, Blu-Ray and so on have more options..... There *is* an argument for splitting what I have described as "source" into two elements; the radio station and the broadcast type; so "r1.fm" instead of "r1fm", but I don't necessarily see the value of splitting it. If different sources were available, commonplace, and desirable, it might be helpful. But in our case any "r1fm" version would almost certainly obviate the need for any "r1am" source. The source element really comes into its own for recordings that are not the "default" - ie r1fm. I don't know how many circulate, from World Service or the European stations, but the naming convention probably needs such an element, in order to avoid clashes with a broadcast on a different station on the same day. There is *also* an argument for a .complete or .incomplete element. logically, I think it would precede the sequence element. Thirdly - the id. If it were me, I would use an alpha prefix and a justified numeric suffix; it makes the id more human-readable. Rockers stash could for instance have a "r" prefix, and since we know there are several hundred (but less than 1000) cassettes, the ids would range from r001 to r400. "r1", and "r01" however would NOT be valid ids for this particular category / stash (they wouldn't sort well). The prefix doesn't have to be a single character; it could be "rock", or "rocker", or "ebay", or whatever. From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 1 14:18:13 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:18:13 -0000 Subject: The curse of Mojo? Message-ID: The week the belated review of my book appeared in Mojo, I learn that sales of THE PEEL SESSIONS in w/e 4 July 08 dropped to their lowest weekly total yet: 4 copies sold. I wonder if these events are related? k From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Aug 1 15:51:38 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:51:38 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colin Thank you for your response, and I am surprised that nobody has yet taken up the baton on your behalf, especially since these recordings fill a gap as vital as those in 'The 400 Box' (at least some idea of the contents of which would be welcome) and are probably, dare I suggest, of much better quality and therefore just as deserving of 'flac', 'flic' or whatever? Since I live in South Korea, I don't see what I could personally do at this distance, which is a shame, since I have the equip,emt necessary for doing a decent digital transfer...if you wanted to go down the route of sending them to me, I would refund the cost of postage, of course!!! Ironically, I lived in Plymouth before my move 5 years ago, so we could have been in business. Seriously, somebody give this man a modicum of help, please. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, colin bray wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > In response to Steve's question, I taped a large proportion of the shows broadcast during the 90s and also few from the late 80s and the early 2000s. > > These whole shows still exist on tapes in my loft and add up to hundreds of hours of JP goodness. As it stands, I have added approximately half the tracks broadcast and recorded to an Excel spreadsheet. This cataloguing work was hundreds of work hours behind when John died and I was so upset that I put the tapes away, never to touch them since. > > I have been following the eBay story with interest and this has caused me to feel guilty that my collection is languishing in analogue form. I had always assumed that the shows I recorded are fairly readily available online but maybe not! > > Although I cannot bear to part with my collection for charity or any other reason, perhaps if there is the demand we can find a way to get the collection digitised or otherwise more widely shared. > > I would not claim all the recordings are perfect quality but the quality does get better as the years roll on due to better technology etc. > > I am not particularly IT literate and have very little time what with a new baby in the house so doubt I will be able to digitise my collection very easily or quickly. If anybody wants to offer creative suggestions as to how we can utilise and share this material please respond/discuss on the board or PM me. > > I live in Exeter and would consider lending part or all my collection over time to somebody who is prepared to do some or all of this work. I would do what I could to assist. However, there may be a different way of approaching the problem. Suggestions welcome! > > I am happy to post a list of recorded shows when I get the chance but even this would be quite an undertaking and would take a week or two to put together. > > As I said, responses welcomed. > > With thanks, > > Colin. > > > > > > > > > To: peel@...: r.fewster@...: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 +0100Subject: Re: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? > > > > > > I'd very much echo this. Of all the decades, it seems to me like the 90s is perhaps the least well represented, which is a shame for me since the early to mid 90s were my own Peel halycon days. Exceptions to this is Phil Edwards' fantastic coverage of 1990 and 1991, and some assorted 1991-2 shows that have cropped up on here in the last 6 months or so. 1993-98 are pretty much universally barren save the odd show here and there, before the BBC went online in 1999/2000 and thus recording to MP3 became much easier. Whilst I was happy to contribute to the recent ebay excitement, I'd have probably shelled out the £500 myself if the period on offer was 1990-1995! > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Steve wrote: > > > > > > Fellow PeelitesAll the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence.Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well represented by the Web.Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? Best wishesSteve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 1 18:41:07 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:41:07 -0000 Subject: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm with Steve (Teenage Kicks) on this one. I was thinking it might be another thing the list as a whole might want to tackle after we see how the "400 Box" goes. Maybe the ins and outs of that one are occupying everyone's attention at the moment. As an alternative, or maybe in the interim, depending on how Colin feels about it about an international thing, maybe me and Steve (Teenage Kicks) could take this on (or at least get started on it), as some kind of "East Is Peel" project -- South Korea and Japan come together in the most important bilateral effort since World Cup 2002! I'm not really set up with decent level tape conversion technology right now, but suspect this might not be too difficult to sort out here in Tokyo. Or we could split the job in other ways, in terms of finance for postage (would definitely have to be registered), or Steve TK doing the conversions while I sort out full tracklistings, etc, on Excel to build on what Colin already has -- and for whatever group/online database eventually emerges. Only an idea. Would be great to have two big group projects on the go at the same time. Seems like a big shame to leave Colin's mighty collection in his attic. Speaking personally, would like to make a decent hands-on contribution to making more old shows available, but feel a bit isolated geographically on the 400 Box thing. But might be relatively simple to coordinate this on an "East is Peel" basis, while taking on board lessons from the 400 Box party. Colin? Steve TK? Anyone else? Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Colin > > Thank you for your response, and I am surprised that nobody has yet > taken up the baton on your behalf, especially since these recordings > fill a gap as vital as those in 'The 400 Box' (at least some idea of > the contents of which would be welcome) and are probably, dare I > suggest, of much better quality and therefore just as deserving > of 'flac', 'flic' or whatever? > Since I live in South Korea, I don't see what I could personally do > at this distance, which is a shame, since I have the equip,emt > necessary for doing a decent digital transfer...if you wanted to go > down the route of sending them to me, I would refund the cost of > postage, of course!!! Ironically, I lived in Plymouth before my move > 5 years ago, so we could have been in business. > Seriously, somebody give this man a modicum of help, please. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, colin bray wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In response to Steve's question, I taped a large proportion of the > shows broadcast during the 90s and also few from the late 80s and the > early 2000s. > > > > These whole shows still exist on tapes in my loft and add up to > hundreds of hours of JP goodness. As it stands, I have added > approximately half the tracks broadcast and recorded to an Excel > spreadsheet. This cataloguing work was hundreds of work hours behind > when John died and I was so upset that I put the tapes away, never to > touch them since. > > > > I have been following the eBay story with interest and this has > caused me to feel guilty that my collection is languishing in > analogue form. I had always assumed that the shows I recorded are > fairly readily available online but maybe not! > > > > Although I cannot bear to part with my collection for charity or > any other reason, perhaps if there is the demand we can find a way to > get the collection digitised or otherwise more widely shared. > > > > I would not claim all the recordings are perfect quality but the > quality does get better as the years roll on due to better technology > etc. > > > > I am not particularly IT literate and have very little time what > with a new baby in the house so doubt I will be able to digitise my > collection very easily or quickly. If anybody wants to offer creative > suggestions as to how we can utilise and share this material please > respond/discuss on the board or PM me. > > > > I live in Exeter and would consider lending part or all my > collection over time to somebody who is prepared to do some or all of > this work. I would do what I could to assist. However, there may be a > different way of approaching the problem. Suggestions welcome! > > > > I am happy to post a list of recorded shows when I get the chance > but even this would be quite an undertaking and would take a week or > two to put together. > > > > As I said, responses welcomed. > > > > With thanks, > > > > Colin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: peel@: r.fewster@: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 > +0100Subject: Re: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd very much echo this. Of all the decades, it seems to me like > the 90s is perhaps the least well represented, which is a shame for > me since the early to mid 90s were my own Peel halycon days. > Exceptions to this is Phil Edwards' fantastic coverage of 1990 and > 1991, and some assorted 1991-2 shows that have cropped up on here in > the last 6 months or so. 1993-98 are pretty much universally barren > save the odd show here and there, before the BBC went online in > 1999/2000 and thus recording to MP3 became much easier. Whilst I was > happy to contribute to the recent ebay excitement, I'd have probably > shelled out the £500 myself if the period on offer was 1990-1995! > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Steve wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow PeelitesAll the recent excitement over the box of tapes > prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it > staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be > available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the > files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. > Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence.Leaving aside the > ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already > told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the > BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 > show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, > one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well > represented by the Web.Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or > have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes > as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? > Best wishesSteve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html? > ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 > > > From alan@... Fri Aug 1 20:02:56 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:02:56 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? References: Message-ID: <001c01c8f400$d3f4eb00$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> colin bray wrote: >> I live in Exeter ....... From: Steve >> Ironically, I lived in Plymouth before my move I live mid-way, in Ashburton. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Dear Colin Thank you for your response, and I am surprised that nobody has yet taken up the baton on your behalf, especially since these recordings fill a gap as vital as those in 'The 400 Box' (at least some idea of the contents of which would be welcome) and are probably, dare I suggest, of much better quality and therefore just as deserving of 'flac', 'flic' or whatever? Since I live in South Korea, I don't see what I could personally do at this distance, which is a shame, since I have the equip,emt necessary for doing a decent digital transfer...if you wanted to go down the route of sending them to me, I would refund the cost of postage, of course!!! Ironically, I lived in Plymouth before my move 5 years ago, so we could have been in business. Seriously, somebody give this man a modicum of help, please. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, colin bray wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > In response to Steve's question, I taped a large proportion of the shows broadcast during the 90s and also few from the late 80s and the early 2000s. > > These whole shows still exist on tapes in my loft and add up to hundreds of hours of JP goodness. As it stands, I have added approximately half the tracks broadcast and recorded to an Excel spreadsheet. This cataloguing work was hundreds of work hours behind when John died and I was so upset that I put the tapes away, never to touch them since. > > I have been following the eBay story with interest and this has caused me to feel guilty that my collection is languishing in analogue form. I had always assumed that the shows I recorded are fairly readily available online but maybe not! > > Although I cannot bear to part with my collection for charity or any other reason, perhaps if there is the demand we can find a way to get the collection digitised or otherwise more widely shared. > > I would not claim all the recordings are perfect quality but the quality does get better as the years roll on due to better technology etc. > > I am not particularly IT literate and have very little time what with a new baby in the house so doubt I will be able to digitise my collection very easily or quickly. If anybody wants to offer creative suggestions as to how we can utilise and share this material please respond/discuss on the board or PM me. > > I live in Exeter and would consider lending part or all my collection over time to somebody who is prepared to do some or all of this work. I would do what I could to assist. However, there may be a different way of approaching the problem. Suggestions welcome! > > I am happy to post a list of recorded shows when I get the chance but even this would be quite an undertaking and would take a week or two to put together. > > As I said, responses welcomed. > > With thanks, > > Colin. > > > > > > > > > To: peel@...: r.fewster@...: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 +0100Subject: Re: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? > > > > > > I'd very much echo this. Of all the decades, it seems to me like the 90s is perhaps the least well represented, which is a shame for me since the early to mid 90s were my own Peel halycon days. Exceptions to this is Phil Edwards' fantastic coverage of 1990 and 1991, and some assorted 1991-2 shows that have cropped up on here in the last 6 months or so. 1993-98 are pretty much universally barren save the odd show here and there, before the BBC went online in 1999/2000 and thus recording to MP3 became much easier. Whilst I was happy to contribute to the recent ebay excitement, I'd have probably shelled out the �500 myself if the period on offer was 1990-1995! > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Steve wrote: > > > > > > Fellow PeelitesAll the recent excitement over the box of tapes prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence.Leaving aside the ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well represented by the Web.Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years? Best wishesSteve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1584 - Release Date: 31/07/2008 12:00 From rockerq@... Fri Aug 1 20:37:02 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:37:02 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Tapes Message-ID: > < "rockerq@...>> > It should be rockerq at aol dot com! Rocker PS alternatively rocker@... should work! From rockerq@... Fri Aug 1 20:53:41 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:53:41 EDT Subject: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Message-ID: > < of hours of JP goodness>> > Fantastic! My suggestion is that once we have the eBay Peel Tapes collection done & dusted & uploaded, we will have an established network of rippers / uploaders, who would then be able to take on your archive. I live in Bristol so would be an easy journey one evening or weekend to come down & pick them up - unless you'd like to do the mailing out to individual rippers yourself? Our current 400 tapes may well take a few weeks, so no great hurry to decide! Would be handy if at some point you could make us a list of show dates, so we can prioritize ones that aren't already in circulation! Cheers! Rocker From rockerq@... Fri Aug 1 20:56:09 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:56:09 EDT Subject: [peel] Message-ID: Thanks to those who are contributing to the p&p fund! Have already received a couple of PayPal payments! Rocker From r.fewster@... Fri Aug 1 21:48:46 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:48:46 +0100 Subject: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0808011248y8dbb0axcf875c521d203505@...> From r.fewster@... Fri Aug 1 22:34:45 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:34:45 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: References: <6974965b0808010002h223c2139r76732a2b8e465d5e@...> Message-ID: <6974965b0808011334v5d8229cfs54ecc4b372193622@...> From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 1 23:24:41 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:24:41 -0000 Subject: Punk Fiction, 1996 In-Reply-To: <6974965b0808011334v5d8229cfs54ecc4b372193622@...> Message-ID: that sorted it, thanks! I have got Hannah at R1 archive onto this one... it's not listed in the BBC digital catalogue under Peel's name, though the Mark Riley and Dave Grohl episodes are. They probably do have the show (as the catalogue is showing 4 episodes), it's just not catalogued fully, with no mention of Peel's name, which is why we both missed it previously... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Fewster" wrote: > > OK, try this Ken: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VIT2S9V > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM, ken garner wrote: > > > > > thanks for the info, but still not working, must be my end: this is the > > reply my browser > > gives me: > > > > "Safari can't open the page " > > http://rapidshare.com/files/133173326/John_Peel_- > > _Punk_documentary_1996.mp3.html". The error was: "Operation could not be > > completed. > > (kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork error 302.)" (kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork:302) Please > > choose > > Report Bugs to Apple from the Safari menu, note the error number, and > > describe what you > > did before you saw this message." > > > > did several other downloads yesterday from rapidshare no problem... > > > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Richard Fewster" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > I just tried it again and it seems fine here. Hopefully you can get it > > > working by copying and pasting the link from both lines. If not I'll try > > > uploading it elsewhere. > > > > > > It was basically a documentary rather than a normal Peel show with > > records, > > > with Peel narrative interspersed with interviews and music clips. R1 made > > 4 > > > in the Punk Fiction series to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the > > > revolution - Peel's one was the first and covered Punk in general, then > > Lard > > > did one about British punk bands, Dave Grohl followed by focussing on the > > US > > > punk scene and finally Justine Frischmann covered women in Punk. > > > > > > Hopefully you'll be able to get it working then all will become clear. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:01 PM, ken garner wrote: > > > > > > > richard - i can't get this download link to work. Is it ok? Can you > > give > > > > me any more info > > > > about the show, of which I was unaware (unless it was one epidode of > > JP's > > > > Classic > > > > Sessions)? Was it definitely a stand alone documentary, involving > > i/view > > > > clips and archive > > > > actuality etc, as well as music, or just peel and records/sessions? > > > > > > > > ken > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Richard Fewster" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > It's long overdue I made a contribution to this glorious Peel-fest. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if this is in general circularion, apologies if it is. > > It's > > > > a > > > > > tape I made of a R1 documentary written and narrated by the man > > himself > > > > to > > > > > commemorate the the 20th anniversary of the punk revolution back in > > 1996. > > > > I > > > > > think it is an importent artefact since Peel always understood what > > Punk > > > > was > > > > > really about - namely the breaking down of the barriers for countless > > > > > outsider artists, rather than the 3 chords, gobbing and safety pins. > > It > > > > > should be prescribed listening to anyone who ventures the opinion > > that > > > > Green > > > > > Day are Punk. > > > > > > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/133173326/John_Peel_- > > > > _Punk_documentary_1996.mp3.html > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From colinbray@... Sat Aug 2 00:37:45 2008 From: colinbray@... (colin bray) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:37:45 +0000 Subject: 90s Peel Collection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the responses so far. I'm glad that there is the enthusiasm to tackle this. I would have liked to have digitised this material myself over the years but have only a slow laptop and a genuine uncertainty about audio technology. There is still a lot to be discussed regarding this but as a starting point I can put together a complete list of shows by date and send out to the group in the next week or possibly two. This will keep things ticking over while the 70s collection is being digitised. I was very tired when I sent out the message last night - actually, the collated show records are currently kept on an Access database, not an Excel spreadsheet. I will also make this database available if I can find the disc rattling around somewhere. A final list of still-required shows could then be built up. By the way, and out of curiosity, is there a repository list of all the shows already available online? Speaking as the protective guardian of the tapes I am nervous about splitting them up too much to send out but understand this may be preferable from a practical point of view. I will have to give this some thought and would want to ensure that I do not lose or break up the collection. I am a librarian and have a nostalgic sense of the importance of hard copy! Please keep going with the thoughts and suggestions, I'm sure we can come up with a viable plan. Many thanks, Colin. PS Yes, Richard, the tapes were a major part of my disposable income back in the day. But for extended periods I would rather go without food than forego my taping (I exaggerate only slightly...) PPS I only ever wanted whole shows because at the back of my mind I knew they would be valuable when John was no longer with us. The music was fine but John's links were finer. PPPS The collection contains periods of weeks and months when practically every show is complete and intact. There are also relatively fallow periods of months at a time with little representation. But for all that, the recordings represent 1992 - 2004 pretty evenly. PPPPS The database includes my own categorisation of each track for search purposes. I'm sure that'll be a source of humour and dispute...! To: peel@yahoogroups.comFrom: saipanda@...: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:41:07 +0000Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? I'm with Steve (Teenage Kicks) on this one. I was thinking it might be another thing the list as a whole might want to tackle after we see how the "400 Box" goes. Maybe the ins and outs of that one are occupying everyone's attention at the moment.As an alternative, or maybe in the interim, depending on how Colin feels about it about an international thing, maybe me and Steve (Teenage Kicks) could take this on (or at least get started on it), as some kind of "East Is Peel" project -- South Korea and Japan come together in the most important bilateral effort since World Cup 2002!I'm not really set up with decent level tape conversion technology right now, but suspect this might not be too difficult to sort out here in Tokyo. Or we could split the job in other ways, in terms of finance for postage (would definitely have to be registered), or Steve TK doing the conversions while I sort out full tracklistings, etc, on Excel to build on what Colin already has -- and for whatever group/online database eventually emerges.Only an idea. Would be great to have two big group projects on the go at the same time. Seems like a big shame to leave Colin's mighty collection in his attic.Speaking personally, would like to make a decent hands-on contribution to making more old shows available, but feel a bit isolated geographically on the 400 Box thing. But might be relatively simple to coordinate this on an "East is Peel" basis, while taking on board lessons from the 400 Box party.Colin? Steve TK? Anyone else?Cheers,Steve W--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote:>> Dear Colin> > Thank you for your response, and I am surprised that nobody has yet > taken up the baton on your behalf, especially since these recordings > fill a gap as vital as those in 'The 400 Box' (at least some idea of > the contents of which would be welcome) and are probably, dare I > suggest, of much better quality and therefore just as deserving > of 'flac', 'flic' or whatever?> Since I live in South Korea, I don't see what I could personally do > at this distance, which is a shame, since I have the equip,emt > necessary for doing a decent digital transfer...if you wanted to go > down the route of sending them to me, I would refund the cost of > postage, of course!!! Ironically, I lived in Plymouth before my move > 5 years ago, so we could have been in business.> Seriously, somebody give this man a modicum of help, please.> > Best wishes> Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, colin bray wrote:> >> > > > Dear friends,> > > > In response to Steve's question, I taped a large proportion of the > shows broadcast during the 90s and also few from the late 80s and the > early 2000s.> > > > These whole shows still exist on tapes in my loft and add up to > hundreds of hours of JP goodness. As it stands, I have added > approximately half the tracks broadcast and recorded to an Excel > spreadsheet. This cataloguing work was hundreds of work hours behind > when John died and I was so upset that I put the tapes away, never to > touch them since. > > > > I have been following the eBay story with interest and this has > caused me to feel guilty that my collection is languishing in > analogue form. I had always assumed that the shows I recorded are > fairly readily available online but maybe not!> > > > Although I cannot bear to part with my collection for charity or > any other reason, perhaps if there is the demand we can find a way to > get the collection digitised or otherwise more widely shared.> > > > I would not claim all the recordings are perfect quality but the > quality does get better as the years roll on due to better technology > etc.> > > > I am not particularly IT literate and have very little time what > with a new baby in the house so doubt I will be able to digitise my > collection very easily or quickly. If anybody wants to offer creative > suggestions as to how we can utilise and share this material please > respond/discuss on the board or PM me. > > > > I live in Exeter and would consider lending part or all my > collection over time to somebody who is prepared to do some or all of > this work. I would do what I could to assist. However, there may be a > different way of approaching the problem. Suggestions welcome!> > > > I am happy to post a list of recorded shows when I get the chance > but even this would be quite an undertaking and would take a week or > two to put together.> > > > As I said, responses welcomed.> > > > With thanks,> > > > Colin.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: peel@: r.fewster@: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:35 > +0100Subject: Re: [peel] Missing In Action: The Lost Peel?> > > > > > > > > > > > I'd very much echo this. Of all the decades, it seems to me like > the 90s is perhaps the least well represented, which is a shame for > me since the early to mid 90s were my own Peel halycon days. > Exceptions to this is Phil Edwards' fantastic coverage of 1990 and > 1991, and some assorted 1991-2 shows that have cropped up on here in > the last 6 months or so. 1993-98 are pretty much universally barren > save the odd show here and there, before the BBC went online in > 1999/2000 and thus recording to MP3 became much easier. Whilst I was > happy to contribute to the recent ebay excitement, I'd have probably > shelled out the £500 myself if the period on offer was 1990-1995!> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Steve wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow PeelitesAll the recent excitement over the box of tapes > prompted me to reinvestigate my catalogue of Peel shows, and it > staggers me to reflect on how little of his output seems to be > available. Like the rest of you, I have been downloading all the > files kindly put up by the members here, and Dee Dee's epic torrents. > Yet some years are conspicuous by their absence.Leaving aside the > ubiquitous Festive Fities and the years 1971-4, which Ken has already > told us are not even present aside from a handful of shows at the > BBC, I have nothing from 1976 (barring the Punk Rock Special), only 1 > show from 1983, nothing from 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, one from 1993, > one from 1995, and one from 2000...whereas 2001-4 are extremely well > represented by the Web.Didn't people tape Peel in those years, or > have I missed a flotilla of ships? I'm looking forward to the tapes > as a way of filling in some gaps, but what about these 'lost' years?> Best wishesSteve [Teenage Kicks]...now back in full effect> > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you.> > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?> ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008> >> _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 2 01:46:44 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:46:44 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 Message-ID: OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 1978. But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and make things the best you can. Anyway, on with the show. This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 at 10PM. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be much longer then. This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record on back then. (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just the section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are fairly invisible to my ears, and others less so) No naming convention at all followed here yet. According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. Imagine that. Bill From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 2 03:05:26 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:05:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4893B2D6.6030000@...> Many thanks for continuing with this, Bill. For a while there I feared we might have pissed you off so much that you, erm, pissed off. Nice to be wrong, and looking forward to hearing Part 2 and the rest. Eddie. billfromnorthwales wrote: > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and > make > things the best you can. > > Anyway, on with the show. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 > at > 10PM. > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > much > longer then. > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record > on > back then. > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just > the > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > fairly > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there > were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. > Imagine that. > > Bill > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 06:39 > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 2 07:48:43 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:48:43 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to say many thanks indeed to Bill for this one. Just great! Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. From k.j.beech@... Sat Aug 2 08:42:18 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:42:18 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: time to shout i think THIS IS EXCELLENT... thanks bill more of the same if have any... kevin --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and > make > things the best you can. > > Anyway, on with the show. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 > at > 10PM. > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > much > longer then. > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record > on > back then. > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just > the > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > fairly > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there > were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. > Imagine that. > > Bill > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 2 11:12:52 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:12:52 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bill ! I think you must reside in "Quality Street". I hope that you can get involved in the imminent "Ebay400" transfer job ! .... Regards, Harry Gratefulle --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and > make > things the best you can. > > Anyway, on with the show. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 > at > 10PM. > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > much > longer then. > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record > on > back then. > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just > the > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > fairly > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there > were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. > Imagine that. > > Bill > From brian@... Sat Aug 2 11:54:26 2008 From: brian@... (electrophotic) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:54:26 -0000 Subject: On Radio 4 tonight Message-ID: With all the recent discussion about recording/copying/archiving there is a programme on BBC Radio 4 tonight at 8pm which may be of interest to some group members: "The Archive Hour - The Man Who Invented Stereo. Archive recordings from the 1930s profiling the man (Alan Blumlein) who pioneered stereo recording, devised key features of television and played a major role in the Allied victory in the Second World War with his work on radar systems." Interesting stuff, I've read the book. From bill.spiby@... Sat Aug 2 11:57:35 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (bill.spiby@...) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:57:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 Message-ID: <20080802095735.XINM18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Bill, Once again many many thanks for posting this. Completely ignore all those who admonish you for shouting, making spelling mistakes and breaching of digitising protocols (I don't even understand what they're babbling on about half the time), there are many of us out here, who are overjoyed to hear these recordings. You can't do wrong in our book mate. Regards t'other Bill > > From: "billfromnorthwales" > Date: 2008/08/02 Sat AM 12:46:44 BST > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and > make > things the best you can. > > Anyway, on with the show. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 > at > 10PM. > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > much > longer then. > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record > on > back then. > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just > the > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > fairly > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there > were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. > Imagine that. > > Bill > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From jimmystep@... Sat Aug 2 11:59:52 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:59:52 -0000 Subject: Database Message-ID: There is a database facility on the group website for adding a database. Just checked it and someone has previously thought about it. I suggest a couple of tables. A tape register using the ID sequence alpha,num,num,num as Alasdair suggests (R001), giving info about the tape. An archive file register giving details about the flac files; and what about a date based table to link up different sourced tapes/files. There is an import/export facility, probably csv, which could help merge the work that folk have already done. Worth a thought? Don't know how much space yahoo give give and how much we would need. Cheers....Jimmy ps I was a sessions recorder, mainly 77 to 78, and my records are still on paper. Time has been in short supply over the years but I can see a break coming up now that the kitchen rebuild is thankfully coming to an end (thank Grud!). I'll get to transferring them eventually. From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 2 22:33:46 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:33:46 -0000 Subject: Database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, just to start, I have put the first two 1978 Festive 50 shows on the database, because it is easy enough to do. Just click on the Database link on the left. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Jimmy" wrote: > > There is a database facility on the group website for adding a > database. Just checked it and someone has previously thought about it. > I suggest a couple of tables. A tape register using the ID sequence > alpha,num,num,num as Alasdair suggests (R001), giving info about the > tape. An archive file register giving details about the flac files; > and what about a date based table to link up different sourced > tapes/files. > > There is an import/export facility, probably csv, which could help > merge the work that folk have already done. > > Worth a thought? Don't know how much space yahoo give give and how > much we would need. > > Cheers....Jimmy > > ps I was a sessions recorder, mainly 77 to 78, and my records are > still on paper. Time has been in short supply over the years but I can > see a break coming up now that the kitchen rebuild is thankfully > coming to an end (thank Grud!). I'll get to transferring them eventually. > From ready2rock@... Sun Aug 3 00:46:02 2008 From: ready2rock@... (dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:46:02 -0000 Subject: New here Message-ID: Hello everyone, I'm new here & thought I would offer up what I've always thought was a great Peel programme from 1993 I got this in trade back in the day and it's either the master or first gen copy. I traded tapes a lot in those days & if someone wanted something in tade from the UK I would usually just ask them to tape the next John Peel show for me. I ripped this today and put the files on Megaupload. To my ears, constant bit rate always sounds better than variable, and Fraunhofer superior to Lame, so for those who care about the technicalities, here's the processing lineage: TDK-AR90 > Tascam 112MKIII casstte deck > Roland UA-30 external soundcard > soundforge 7 > 44.1KHz 16-bit wav > dBpoweramp Reference > 224 kbps cbr mp3 (Franhofer IIS codec) If you like the sound I'd be happy to help out with any tape digitization projects. I could handle about 10 tapes at a go & return them. This show is downloadable in 4 parts as received (no edits) John Peel Programme 1993.03.13 ------------------------------------------- (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RFPVQ0UV (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=993XDXUS (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E50LFQM0 (Tape 2 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K4F3OHNJ I did forget to add mp3 tags to the first couple files, so you'll have to tag those yourself Session guests include Oil Seed Rape (1st session) and PJ Harvey (3rd session) John also premiers the new Fall single "Why Are people Grudgeful?" and generally appears to be having a grand old time. It's thanks to this recording I discovered The Nectarine No 9 LP "A Sea With Three Stars", which is one of my favorite discoveries. Hope you enjoy this recording as much as I do. Cheers. Jim From eddie.duffy@... Sun Aug 3 03:59:25 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:59:25 +0100 Subject: [peel] New here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489510FD.50207@...> Welcome to the group, Jim, and thanks for the new show! Amazing how many shows are becoming available lately. This one seems pretty good quality to me. Heh, a mention for "Ken Garner's book" At 21:30-ish... dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm new here & thought I would offer up > what I've always thought was a great Peel programme from 1993 > > I got this in trade back in the day and it's either the master or > first gen copy. I traded tapes a lot in those days & if someone > wanted something in tade from the UK I would usually just ask > them to tape the next John Peel show for me. > > I ripped this today and put the files on Megaupload. > To my ears, constant bit rate always sounds better than variable, and > Fraunhofer superior to Lame, so for those who care about the > technicalities, here's the processing lineage: > > TDK-AR90 > Tascam 112MKIII casstte deck > Roland UA-30 external > soundcard > soundforge 7 > 44.1KHz 16-bit wav > dBpoweramp Reference > > 224 kbps cbr mp3 (Franhofer IIS codec) > > If you like the sound I'd be happy to help out with any tape > digitization projects. I could handle about 10 tapes at a go & > return them. > > This show is downloadable in 4 parts as received (no edits) > > John Peel Programme 1993.03.13 > ------------------------------------------- > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RFPVQ0UV > > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=993XDXUS > > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E50LFQM0 > > (Tape 2 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K4F3OHNJ > > > I did forget to add mp3 tags to the first couple files, so you'll > have to tag those yourself > > Session guests include Oil Seed Rape (1st session) and > PJ Harvey (3rd session) > John also premiers the new Fall single "Why Are people Grudgeful?" > and generally appears to be having a grand old time. It's thanks to > this recording I discovered The Nectarine No 9 LP "A Sea With Three > Stars", which is one of my favorite discoveries. Hope you enjoy this > recording as much as I do. > > Cheers. Jim > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59 > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Aug 3 04:54:10 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:54:10 -0000 Subject: New here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Jim With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks very much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning about recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according to Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm new here & thought I would offer up > what I've always thought was a great Peel programme from 1993 > > I got this in trade back in the day and it's either the master or > first gen copy. I traded tapes a lot in those days & if someone > wanted something in tade from the UK I would usually just ask > them to tape the next John Peel show for me. > > I ripped this today and put the files on Megaupload. > To my ears, constant bit rate always sounds better than variable, and > Fraunhofer superior to Lame, so for those who care about the > technicalities, here's the processing lineage: > > TDK-AR90 > Tascam 112MKIII casstte deck > Roland UA-30 external > soundcard > soundforge 7 > 44.1KHz 16-bit wav > dBpoweramp Reference > > 224 kbps cbr mp3 (Franhofer IIS codec) > > If you like the sound I'd be happy to help out with any tape > digitization projects. I could handle about 10 tapes at a go & > return them. > > This show is downloadable in 4 parts as received (no edits) > > John Peel Programme 1993.03.13 > ------------------------------------------- > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RFPVQ0UV > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=993XDXUS > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E50LFQM0 > (Tape 2 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K4F3OHNJ > > I did forget to add mp3 tags to the first couple files, so you'll > have to tag those yourself > > Session guests include Oil Seed Rape (1st session) and > PJ Harvey (3rd session) > John also premiers the new Fall single "Why Are people Grudgeful?" > and generally appears to be having a grand old time. It's thanks to > this recording I discovered The Nectarine No 9 LP "A Sea With Three > Stars", which is one of my favorite discoveries. Hope you enjoy this > recording as much as I do. > > Cheers. Jim > From ready2rock@... Sun Aug 3 13:34:33 2008 From: ready2rock@... (dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:34:33 -0000 Subject: New here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks a lot everyone. I'll have to see what else I have in the old tape box. Thanks for the correction on date, Steve. Always good to check the facts. Probably happened because the show spanned midnight, but that is how it came dated on my copy. The PJ Harvey session on there is a stormer. All the best, Jim --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Jim > > With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks very > much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning about > recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according to > Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > From ken_garner@... Sun Aug 3 14:09:39 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:09:39 -0000 Subject: New here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and thanks from me too, a surprising name check - that must have been the time I was finishing off in session tonight's sessionography at home, but I was not at R1 any more - I do recall hearing this show because of the PJ Harvey incl the wang dang doodle cover, so much so i think i stripped in a late news line into the book! The date business is a very common problem both inside and out the BBC for shows which straddle midnight. You're the DJ or producer (or listener) doing the paperwork after midnight while the show is going out, look up at the clock and date on the studio wall, write it down on the session sheet or script, it's that easy! Phil Lawton (ex R1 archivist) and Hannah Branah Martin (with the help of Jeff at written archives, and listeners with BIG BIG BIG databases like Phil, Jon and Martin W of this parish) helped me fix a lot of these glitches for both books. The givaway in the show itself is peel talking about the new Fall session "on tomorrow's show" so this must have been the friday night edition. cheers ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" wrote: > > Thanks a lot everyone. I'll have to see what else I have in the old > tape box. Thanks for the correction on date, Steve. Always good to > check the facts. Probably happened because the show spanned midnight, > but that is how it came dated on my copy. The PJ Harvey session on > there is a stormer. All the best, Jim > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Dear Jim > > > > With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks very > > much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning about > > recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according to > > Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > > From lollygagger@... Sun Aug 3 17:41:39 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:41:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my headset. I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show enough to listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome tapes. Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the best from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the moment. I have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were later separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan radio shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still love new music. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/96khz, I have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 1978. But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and make things the best you can. Anyway, on with the show. This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 at 10PM. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be much longer then. This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record on back then. (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just the section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are fairly invisible to my ears, and others less so) No naming convention at all followed here yet. According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. Imagine that. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 06:39 From saipanda@... Sun Aug 3 18:12:24 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:12:24 -0000 Subject: New here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jim, Welcome aboard! Would like to add my thanks for this 1993 show. Really excellent stuff. Be great to hear any other JP shows you find lurking in your tape box. Have had a shot at compiling a basic tracklisting for this one. Think Bill's suggestion of using the Database section on the left side of the page seems OK for the 400 Box project, but it doesn't seem to have a suitable column with enough space for tracklistings. Not sure how to go about adding this. The Peel Wiki seems like a good alternative, but haven't managed to get my head around this yet either. Anyway, tracklisting below: Steve W John Peel Show: 12 March 1993 (PJ Harvey, Oil Seed Rape sessions) (A) Small: He Who Cannot Be Bathed dc Basehead: Split Personality Sonic Youth: Personality Crisis Oil Seed Rape: Keel Haul (session) X-103: Curse Of The Gods PJ Harvey: Primed And Ticking (session) Bikini Kill: Jigsaw Youth (namecheck for Ken Garner) Family: In My Own Time L'Orchestre Empire Bakuba: Ibetibi Arcwelder: What Did You Call It That For? Lightnin' Hopkins: Wang Dang Doddle (ahead of PJ Harvey session cover version) Fun-Da-Mental: Wrath Of The Blackman (B) The Fall: Why Are People Grudgeful? (new single first play) Oil Seed Rape: Rib Donor (session) The Horns: The Bunny Ritual Militia: Sleeping With The Enemy (Electro-static) Wedding Present: Octopussy (Phantom 50, #32) PJ Harvey: Claudine The Inflatable One (session) Bobby Cisco: Honky-Tonk Rhythm Nectarine No. 9: She's A Nicer Word To Sing God Is My Co-Pilot: Anyone But You Gene Vincent: The Night Is So Lonely Peyote: Alcatraz (C) Pulp: My Lighthouse/ Razzmatazz Diblo Dibala: Matchatcha Wetu (song namechecks JP and Andy Kershaw) Oil Seed Rape: Nil By Mouth (session) PJ Harvey: Wang Dang Doodle (session) New Order: Regret (Fire Island mix) St Johnny: My Father's Father Junior Reid & Dennis Brown: Dance Nah Keep Again Tindersticks: Marbles Little Walter: Sad Hours (D) The Fall: Glam Racket/The Re-Mixer/Lost In Music (from new 12" single b-side) Nico: Darkstar Oil Seed Rape: Comb (session) The Ukrainians: Rospryahaite Guided By Voices: Break Even Pliers: Give Me Jahovia PJ Harvey: Naked Cousin (session) Huggy Bear: Aqua Girl Star/February 14th From festive50@... Sun Aug 3 22:40:15 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:40:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: New here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2659.82.44.181.124.1217796015.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Another name check for Ken. One of my tapes (dated 20/3/92) I was cataloguing when I was in hospital in May this year had Peel saying after announcing a Faith Healers session track. JP: "Ken Garner who's writing a book about sessions for radio 1. He will phone me up and doubtless tell me that I've got this slightly wrong.... He (Ken) says with reference to the Spiritualised session that was broadcast last weekend." Ken: "This is the one I went to and will feature along with Saturday's show in my book's 1st chapter..... Next door studio 7 that day, Kenneth Brannagh, Emma Thomson and Sir Michael Horden wererecording Ac2 2 Scene 2 of Brannagh's BBC Hamlet. The first he knew of it was when trumpeter Rodd Lorimer came into the control room and said I've just met sir Michael Horden in the lavatory". JP: " A little bit of showbiz gossip for you." Funnily enough 8 days later another member of this group gets name checked. Namely Tom Roche. After playing a track from a band from Decater. JP: "My friend Tom who was sitting here in the studio, comes from Decater". Phil (of this Parish) > and thanks from me too, a surprising name check - that must have been the > time I was > finishing off in session tonight's sessionography at home, but I was not > at R1 any more - I > do recall hearing this show because of the PJ Harvey incl the wang dang > doodle cover, so > much so i think i stripped in a late news line into the book! > > The date business is a very common problem both inside and out the BBC for > shows which > straddle midnight. You're the DJ or producer (or listener) doing the > paperwork after > midnight while the show is going out, look up at the clock and date on the > studio wall, > write it down on the session sheet or script, it's that easy! Phil Lawton > (ex R1 archivist) and > Hannah Branah Martin (with the help of Jeff at written archives, and > listeners with BIG BIG > BIG databases like Phil, Jon and Martin W of this parish) helped me fix a > lot of these > glitches for both books. The givaway in the show itself is peel talking > about the new Fall > session "on tomorrow's show" so this must have been the friday night > edition. > > cheers > > ken > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" > wrote: >> >> Thanks a lot everyone. I'll have to see what else I have in the old >> tape box. Thanks for the correction on date, Steve. Always good to >> check the facts. Probably happened because the show spanned midnight, >> but that is how it came dated on my copy. The PJ Harvey session on >> there is a stormer. All the best, Jim >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >> > >> > Dear Jim >> > >> > With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks very >> > much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning about >> > recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according to >> > Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. >> > >> > Best wishes >> > Steve [Teenage Kicks] >> > >> > > > > From ken_garner@... Sun Aug 3 23:09:12 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:09:12 -0000 Subject: New here In-Reply-To: <2659.82.44.181.124.1217796015.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Message-ID: sniff, brings it all back, thanks, Phil. March-May 92 was when I was at R1 about half of every month, doing lots of ground work on IST. Coincidentally, that show and session I was telling John about there (Spiritualized, in show of 14/3/92), and which I did indeed use as an exemplar in chapter 1 of IST, is a show I think I still have complete somewhere, and given the current nineties nostalgia demand here, was considering using this one as my first digitising and sharing experiment. I'll see what I can do by the end of this month... cheers ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, festive50@... wrote: > > Another name check for Ken. > One of my tapes (dated 20/3/92) I was cataloguing when I was in hospital > in May this year had Peel saying after announcing a Faith Healers session > track. > JP: "Ken Garner who's writing a book about sessions for radio 1. He will > phone me up and doubtless tell me that I've got this slightly wrong.... > He (Ken) says with reference to the Spiritualised session that was > broadcast last weekend." > Ken: "This is the one I went to and will feature along with Saturday's > show in my book's 1st chapter..... > Next door studio 7 that day, Kenneth Brannagh, Emma Thomson and Sir > Michael Horden wererecording Ac2 2 Scene 2 of Brannagh's BBC Hamlet. The > first he knew of it was when trumpeter Rodd Lorimer came into the control > room and said I've just met sir Michael Horden in the lavatory". > > JP: " A little bit of showbiz gossip for you." > > Funnily enough 8 days later another member of this group gets name > checked. Namely Tom Roche. > After playing a track from a band from Decater. > JP: "My friend Tom who was sitting here in the studio, comes from Decater". > > Phil (of this Parish) > > > > and thanks from me too, a surprising name check - that must have been the > > time I was > > finishing off in session tonight's sessionography at home, but I was not > > at R1 any more - I > > do recall hearing this show because of the PJ Harvey incl the wang dang > > doodle cover, so > > much so i think i stripped in a late news line into the book! > > > > The date business is a very common problem both inside and out the BBC for > > shows which > > straddle midnight. You're the DJ or producer (or listener) doing the > > paperwork after > > midnight while the show is going out, look up at the clock and date on the > > studio wall, > > write it down on the session sheet or script, it's that easy! Phil Lawton > > (ex R1 archivist) and > > Hannah Branah Martin (with the help of Jeff at written archives, and > > listeners with BIG BIG > > BIG databases like Phil, Jon and Martin W of this parish) helped me fix a > > lot of these > > glitches for both books. The givaway in the show itself is peel talking > > about the new Fall > > session "on tomorrow's show" so this must have been the friday night > > edition. > > > > cheers > > > > ken > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" > > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks a lot everyone. I'll have to see what else I have in the old > >> tape box. Thanks for the correction on date, Steve. Always good to > >> check the facts. Probably happened because the show spanned midnight, > >> but that is how it came dated on my copy. The PJ Harvey session on > >> there is a stormer. All the best, Jim > >> > >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Jim > >> > > >> > With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks very > >> > much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning about > >> > recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according to > >> > Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. > >> > > >> > Best wishes > >> > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From festive50@... Sun Aug 3 23:18:19 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:18:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: New here In-Reply-To: References: <2659.82.44.181.124.1217796015.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Message-ID: <3248.82.44.181.124.1217798299.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> It would be great if you could digitise that one Ken. It would leave me just 299 to digitise from that period. Phil > sniff, brings it all back, thanks, Phil. March-May 92 was when I was at R1 > about half of > every month, doing lots of ground work on IST. Coincidentally, that show > and session I > was telling John about there (Spiritualized, in show of 14/3/92), and > which I did indeed > use as an exemplar in chapter 1 of IST, is a show I think I still have > complete somewhere, > and given the current nineties nostalgia demand here, was considering > using this one as > my first digitising and sharing experiment. I'll see what I can do by the > end of this month... > > cheers > > ken > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, festive50@... wrote: >> >> Another name check for Ken. >> One of my tapes (dated 20/3/92) I was cataloguing when I was in hospital >> in May this year had Peel saying after announcing a Faith Healers >> session >> track. >> JP: "Ken Garner who's writing a book about sessions for radio 1. He will >> phone me up and doubtless tell me that I've got this slightly wrong.... >> He (Ken) says with reference to the Spiritualised session that was >> broadcast last weekend." >> Ken: "This is the one I went to and will feature along with Saturday's >> show in my book's 1st chapter..... >> Next door studio 7 that day, Kenneth Brannagh, Emma Thomson and Sir >> Michael Horden wererecording Ac2 2 Scene 2 of Brannagh's BBC Hamlet. The >> first he knew of it was when trumpeter Rodd Lorimer came into the >> control >> room and said I've just met sir Michael Horden in the lavatory". >> >> JP: " A little bit of showbiz gossip for you." >> >> Funnily enough 8 days later another member of this group gets name >> checked. Namely Tom Roche. >> After playing a track from a band from Decater. >> JP: "My friend Tom who was sitting here in the studio, comes from >> Decater". >> >> Phil (of this Parish) >> >> >> > and thanks from me too, a surprising name check - that must have been >> the >> > time I was >> > finishing off in session tonight's sessionography at home, but I was >> not >> > at R1 any more - I >> > do recall hearing this show because of the PJ Harvey incl the wang >> dang >> > doodle cover, so >> > much so i think i stripped in a late news line into the book! >> > >> > The date business is a very common problem both inside and out the BBC >> for >> > shows which >> > straddle midnight. You're the DJ or producer (or listener) doing the >> > paperwork after >> > midnight while the show is going out, look up at the clock and date on >> the >> > studio wall, >> > write it down on the session sheet or script, it's that easy! Phil >> Lawton >> > (ex R1 archivist) and >> > Hannah Branah Martin (with the help of Jeff at written archives, and >> > listeners with BIG BIG >> > BIG databases like Phil, Jon and Martin W of this parish) helped me >> fix a >> > lot of these >> > glitches for both books. The givaway in the show itself is peel >> talking >> > about the new Fall >> > session "on tomorrow's show" so this must have been the friday night >> > edition. >> > >> > cheers >> > >> > ken >> > >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot everyone. I'll have to see what else I have in the old >> >> tape box. Thanks for the correction on date, Steve. Always good to >> >> check the facts. Probably happened because the show spanned >> midnight, >> >> but that is how it came dated on my copy. The PJ Harvey session on >> >> there is a stormer. All the best, Jim >> >> >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Jim >> >> > >> >> > With stuff of this quality, you will always be welcome!! Thanks >> very >> >> > much for this, particularly since it fills a gap I was moaning >> about >> >> > recently, but if I could just make one small correction: according >> to >> >> > Ken's book, the date of this show is Friday 12 March 1993. >> >> > >> >> > Best wishes >> >> > Steve [Teenage Kicks] >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 4 18:18:46 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:18:46 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed the initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. Adam --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > Hi Bill > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my headset. > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show enough to listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome tapes. > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the best from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the moment. I have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were later separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan radio shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still love new music. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: billfromnorthwales > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ 96khz, I > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > 1978. > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes peoples > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try and > make > things the best you can. > > Anyway, on with the show. > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December 1978 > at > 10PM. > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces the > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > much > longer then. > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to record > on > back then. > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch just > the > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > fairly > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, there > were more messages last month than at any time since the group began. > Imagine that. > > Bill > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 06:39 > From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 4 18:39:11 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:39:11 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive 50 Message-ID: You're all getting excited, I know. I'm not here to tell you I've located a copy in fabulous condition, sorry. I'm putting together a year-specific fifty on the FadesinSlowly blog, and would love your contributions. http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2008/07/1976-revisited.html Pleased don't just assume that Anarchy and New Rose will duke it out for #1, your votes could maske all the difference. From wewalkforonereason@... Mon Aug 4 21:45:26 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:45:26 +0100 Subject: JP DVD Message-ID: I just put up some Peel related TV programmes via bittorrent: http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/ Although I don't recall exactly how or when I recorded items 2 & 3, my authoring software tells me that all the video content has "open GOPs", which indicates that they are all DVB - sourced. ie bit perfect copies of the broadcast streams. (Actually that's a little odd, because I didn't think I had that capability in October 2004, but who knows....) The radio documentary and rebroadcast of Arena - well, I remember recording those (last September, maybe "It's Alive" was from August. Here it all is anyway: DVB-S broadcasts. 256kbps audio (except for It's Alive) 1. Arena : Today Carshalton Beeches Tomorrow Croydon (probably from BBC4 broadcast 2007-09-30) (3299kbps) 2. Turn That Racket Down (rebroadcast date unknown) (3228kbps) 3. Tributes - probably broadcast within a week or so of John's death on 2004-10-25 (3472kbps) 4. It's Alive - 1991 radio documentary about Peel sessions. Rebroadcast 2007-08-xx or 2007-09-xx (160kbps mp2) Once this is fully seeded I shall be using my bandwidth elsewhere, so it will be up to others to keep seeding, or share elsewhere. If you want to extract the audio (for instance for "It's Alive") without re-encoding, VideoRedo (to name but one) could be used. From dr_mango2004@... Mon Aug 4 23:18:19 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: New download (1981) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2485.80403.qm@...> I thought it was about time that I sorted out my additions to the recent flurry of new downloads. But first of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has popped up in the last 6 months or so with excellent new shows to share. I've particularly enjoyed the 1982 ones. This was several years before I started to tune in regularly, so to have them complete to hear 26 years later in fine quality has been wonderful. I'm also grateful to have got my hands on shows from the 1990s, a decade that seems to be a bit thinly served when you look at what's in circulation. Before I describe my first tape, I'll tell you all a story. In the aftermath of Peel's passing, I rued my meagre archive of recordings and cursed myself for not having the foresight (or spare tapes) to record more shows, particularly back in the days when I first began to listen to the JP show. I used to daydream about stumbling over a cache of tapes unexpectedly, perhaps through a casual conversation with someone at work. One day, this sort of came true. A year ago I was sent off to work for another team on loan. A move-around of desks a couple of weeks after my arrival saw me sit opposite a chap called John, who was about 50. We hadn't really spoken much, apart from dull, work-related matters, until we got on to the subject of John Peel, which was sparked off when I came into work on a dress-down Friday wearing a Wedding Present t-shirt.  He revealed that he used to be a regular listener from the late 70s onwards and even better, he told me that he had some Peel tapes... you can probably imagine my excitement. I asked him if he had any complete shows, or part shows, or just sessions. He explained that he hadn't listened to the tapes for years, but from what he remembered they mostly consisted of compilations of tracks. I asked him if I could borrow them to digitise, offering to provide him with CD versions in return. A couple of days later he eventually brought in a plastic bag containing a total of 18 tapes. He did warn me that much of the material he'd recorded was just an odd track from here or there, but there were some substantial sections of pure Peel, with plenty of Peel's links captured. I could hardly wait to get them home so I could get to work, listening and cataloguing. I suspect that John's (the chap from work) experience was common to many people. He said that he'd start recording a show, and if he liked the sound of a track he'd leave the tape running. If not, he'd stop and rewind and them start recording again. What I found on his tapes bore this out to some extent, but there were some great contiguous sections without too much evidence of a hasty finger on the pause button. So now you're probably thinking, "enough of the waffle - where's the goods?". Quite so. I've started with the earliest tape in the collection. This is actually a compilation of 3 chunks of Peel that straddles the sides of a TDK cassette, interspersed with contemporary chart hits and what sounds like the typical output of Radio 2. I don't have a scanner, but when the light's better tomorrow I might take a photo of the tape listing so you can see what a jumble it is. The Peel content may not even be from the same show, but I suspect they're not very far from each other in origin. Unfortunately, I don't have the broadcast date of this show. The contents of the tape didn't give me much to go on. The biggest clue is that Peel plays a New Order session track, "Dreams Never End". Although he doesn't announce it as such, I've checked and it's definitely the Peel session version. According to Ken's book, the debut New Order session from which the track is taken was broadcast on the following dates: 16.02.81 / 05.03.81 / 16.04.81 / 14.05.81 (and possibly in Dec 81 for the 'best of' yearly roundup). This is definitely not from the first date, as this show has been shared out on here recently. Having looked into the release dates for some of the other tracks on the tape, both Peel and non-Peel, I'm of the opinion that this is either April or May 1981. Perhaps the full shows of these are lurking in the box of 400, so we can confirm this in due course. The sound quality is very good. I suspect it's FM mono. Track listing: Eddie Fontaine - Nothin' Shakin' (But the Leaves on the Trees) New Order - Dreams Never End (Peel session version) Black Uhuru - World is Africa Peel chat introducing Ian & the Muscletones [side A then runs out] ? - Surfin' The Notsensibles - The Telephone Rings Again Gregory Isaacs - Front Door Magazine - The Great Man's Secret ? German song The Fall - No Xmas for John Quays (frag.) Girls at Our Best - I'm Beautiful Now Anyway AKA - It's my Party Gang of Four - To Hell With Poverty 31.87 Mb [34:48] http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1SR0OFT9 I'll post another download tomorrow, this time from November 1989. Dr Mango __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From andrewianfox33@... Tue Aug 5 00:23:57 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:23:57 -0000 Subject: INFO item, Bit torrent Message-ID: dunno if you know, some posts seem to suggest you dont, but there is shit loads of stuff out in the torrent world on Peel, for one there is a 17 DVD series which would take you a while to get Through!! cheers andrew From saipanda@... Tue Aug 5 07:54:42 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:54:42 -0000 Subject: New download (1981) In-Reply-To: <2485.80403.qm@...> Message-ID: Many thanks for this mix tape from 1981, and the background story. Nice to have so many Peel links. Definitely whets the appetite for the 400 Box! Checked around and it seems like the mystery German song is Rampenlicht by Carambolage Appears to be the first track on the following album: http://www.discogs.com/release/1095769 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/carambolage/carambolage/ Cheers, Steve W From saipanda@... Tue Aug 5 08:07:54 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:07:54 -0000 Subject: INFO item, Bit torrent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Yeah, the torrent thing is great. The 17 DVD epic was put up there a little while back by DeeDee "of this parish." My understanding was that it was a set he bought online that appeared to collect together a lot of things mostly originally shared by assorted group members and others. Anyway, excellent to have it out there, as it keeps things available for people. I'm hoping we can eventually do something similar with the 400 Box (supplementary to the core FLAC file collection), and Colin's 90s collection as well if the digitizing of that can be worked out. And even Phil's remaining 299 -- if he wanted to make that another group project in the end. Actually, just thinking as I write this, maybe we could be looking to pull together a further set for torrenting to supplement the original DeeDee 17 release, with material that's been shared here (or elsewhere) more recently -- ahead of the 400 Box. Might take a bit of working out and pulling together. I suppose we're back to the issue of some sort of cataloguing/database thing. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > dunno if you know, some posts seem to suggest you dont, but there is > shit loads of stuff out in the torrent world on Peel, > for one there is a 17 DVD series which would take you a while to get > Through!! > > cheers andrew > From vinpinman@... Tue Aug 5 11:54:43 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:54:43 -0000 Subject: New download (1981) In-Reply-To: <2485.80403.qm@...> Message-ID: Thanks for this one, I'll put the info on FiS for the world to see. Looks like the early 80s is starting to get fairly well covered. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dr Mango wrote: > > I thought it was about time that I sorted out my additions to the recent flurry of new downloads. But first of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has popped up in the last 6 months or so with excellent new shows to share. I've particularly enjoyed the 1982 ones. This was several years before I started to tune in regularly, so to have them complete to hear 26 years later in fine quality has been wonderful. I'm also grateful to have got my hands on shows from the 1990s, a decade that seems to be a bit thinly served when you look at what's in circulation. > > Before I describe my first tape, I'll tell you all a story. In the aftermath of Peel's passing, I rued my meagre archive of recordings and cursed myself for not having the foresight (or spare tapes) to record more shows, particularly back in the days when I first began to listen to the JP show. I used to daydream about stumbling over a cache of tapes unexpectedly, perhaps through a casual conversation with someone at work. One day, this sort of came true. > > A year ago I was sent off to work for another team on loan. A move- around of desks a couple of weeks after my arrival saw me sit opposite a chap called John, who was about 50. We hadn't really spoken much, apart from dull, work-related matters, until we got on to the subject of John Peel, which was sparked off when I came into work on a dress-down Friday wearing a Wedding Present t-shirt.  He revealed that he used to be a regular listener from the late 70s onwards and even better, he told me that he had some Peel tapes... you can probably imagine my excitement. I asked him if he had any complete shows, or part shows, or just sessions. He explained that he hadn't listened to the tapes for years, but from what he remembered they mostly consisted of compilations of tracks. I asked him if I could borrow them to digitise, offering to provide him with CD versions in return. A couple of days later he eventually brought in a plastic bag containing a total of 18 > tapes. He did warn me that much of the material he'd recorded was just an odd track from here or there, but there were some substantial sections of pure Peel, with plenty of Peel's links captured. I could hardly wait to get them home so I could get to work, listening and cataloguing. > > I suspect that John's (the chap from work) experience was common to many people. He said that he'd start recording a show, and if he liked the sound of a track he'd leave the tape running. If not, he'd stop and rewind and them start recording again. What I found on his tapes bore this out to some extent, but there were some great contiguous sections without too much evidence of a hasty finger on the pause button. > > So now you're probably thinking, "enough of the waffle - where's the goods?". Quite so. I've started with the earliest tape in the collection. This is actually a compilation of 3 chunks of Peel that straddles the sides of a TDK cassette, interspersed with contemporary chart hits and what sounds like the typical output of Radio 2. I don't have a scanner, but when the light's better tomorrow I might take a photo of the tape listing so you can see what a jumble it is. The Peel content may not even be from the same show, but I suspect they're not very far from each other in origin. Unfortunately, I don't have the broadcast date of this show. The contents of the tape didn't give me much to go on. The biggest clue is that Peel plays a New Order session track, "Dreams Never End". Although he doesn't announce it as such, I've checked and it's definitely the Peel session version. According to Ken's book, the debut New Order session from which the track is taken > was broadcast on the following dates: 16.02.81 / 05.03.81 / 16.04.81 / 14.05.81 (and possibly in Dec 81 for the 'best of' yearly roundup). This is definitely not from the first date, as this show has been shared out on here recently. Having looked into the release dates for some of the other tracks on the tape, both Peel and non- Peel, I'm of the opinion that this is either April or May 1981. Perhaps the full shows of these are lurking in the box of 400, so we can confirm this in due course. The sound quality is very good. I suspect it's FM mono. > > Track listing: > Eddie Fontaine - Nothin' Shakin' (But the Leaves on the Trees) > New Order - Dreams Never End (Peel session version) > Black Uhuru - World is Africa > Peel chat introducing Ian & the Muscletones [side A then runs out] > ? - Surfin' > The Notsensibles - The Telephone Rings Again > Gregory Isaacs - Front Door > Magazine - The Great Man's Secret > ? German song > The Fall - No Xmas for John Quays (frag.) > Girls at Our Best - I'm Beautiful Now > Anyway AKA - It's my Party > Gang of Four - To Hell With Poverty > > 31.87 Mb [34:48] > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1SR0OFT9 > > I'll post another download tomorrow, this time from November 1989. > > Dr Mango > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > From vinpinman@... Tue Aug 5 12:38:50 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:38:50 -0000 Subject: Perfumed Garden Forum Message-ID: Kris at the perfumed garden blog has started a forum. I fins the bulletin board format easier to follow than this newsgroup and am looking for some company over there: http://theperfumedgarden.myfreeforum.org/forum1.php From dr_mango2004@... Tue Aug 5 19:38:59 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:38:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Download no. 2 (Nov 1989) In-Reply-To: <2485.80403.qm@...> Message-ID: <764797.62896.qm@...> As promised, here's the second download from the batch of tapes I borrowed. Apart from an obvious edit after the first song, this is a continuous segment of Peel show. JP mentions a football score before the last track, which allowed me to date the show as being in the week from Monday 20th - Thursday 23rd November 1989. Sadly, there are no session tracks to allow me to pinpoint which of these days the recording is from. Track listing: Kevin Sizier (?) - ? Soap opera song Sly Williams - I Believe in a Woman I, Ludicrous - Britische Architect Gary Clail and the On-U Sound System - A Man's Place on Earth Elvis Hitler - ? Jordan Shittaka (sp?) & his Sisters - Dishiwa Denga Alan Martin & Bobby Nut - I'm Following Sheffield United Length: [24:49] 22.7 Mb http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BKSZW5KT I've also uploaded photos of the track listings of the cassettes from which this show, and last night's 1981 mix, were taken: 1981 tape http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/2735335617_cc77e432d4_o.jpg 1989 tape http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2736169116_3d01aeac66_o.jpg Regards, Mango __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From festive50@... Tue Aug 5 22:59:21 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:59:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Perfumed Garden Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1390.82.44.181.124.1217969961.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Aha! Familiar ground. I used to be a moderator on an identical site (but for local community issues) using this phbBB format and at some point in the past, I nearly suggested that we go over to this format. However, it coincided with a general lull in postings, so didn't bother. However with the recent flurry of activity, I think it maybe worthwhile to seriously consider going over to this format. Pros: 1) Can have seperate threads within main topic headings 2) Can configure seperate threads to send notifications of posts to specific threads. 3) Can send private messages (equivalent to e-mailing off-group). 4) Can select appropriate text from posts for quoting, instead of including whole post. 5) Can standardise on formatting of text (ie. not dependant on users various e-mail clents), including URL links. 6) Can include photos and sound files within posts. Cons: 1) Can be abused by flamers. This I believe can be eliminated by configuring to only approved members posting. Below is a link to a sub section I posted to http://middx.net/hillingdon/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2429 If you then click on board index, you'll be able to see main Section Index. I beleive it has great potential and possibly move this group further along. This is not to bellittle Stuart McHugh's splendid work in setting this group up. What does everyone else think? Phil > Kris at the perfumed garden blog has started a forum. I fins the > bulletin board format easier to follow than this newsgroup and am > looking for some company over there: > > http://theperfumedgarden.myfreeforum.org/forum1.php > > From thebarguest@... Tue Aug 5 23:13:15 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:13:15 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... Musical highlights were... everything really....... I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed the > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > Adam > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > Hi Bill > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my > headset. > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show enough to > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome tapes. > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the best > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the moment. I > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were later > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan radio > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still > love new music. > > > > Gordon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: billfromnorthwales > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ > 96khz, I > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive 50 > > 1978. > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes > peoples > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try > and > > make > > things the best you can. > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December > 1978 > > at > > 10PM. > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 introduces > the > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and then > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to be > > much > > longer then. > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as I > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to > record > > on > > back then. > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch > just > > the > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > > fairly > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, > there > > were more messages last month than at any time since the group > began. > > Imagine that. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ---------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Tue Aug 5 23:39:49 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:39:49 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. 2. highly original and influencing the development of future events: a seminal artist; seminal ideas. Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was > hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was > still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk > "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... > > Musical highlights were... everything really....... > I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded > (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed the > > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my > > headset. > > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show enough > to > > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome > tapes. > > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the best > > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis > > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the moment. > I > > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were > later > > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan radio > > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to > > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still > > love new music. > > > > > > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: billfromnorthwales > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ > > 96khz, I > > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive > 50 > > > 1978. > > > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes > > peoples > > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try > > and > > > make > > > things the best you can. > > > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December > > 1978 > > > at > > > 10PM. > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 > introduces > > the > > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and > then > > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to > be > > > much > > > longer then. > > > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as > I > > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to > > record > > > on > > > back then. > > > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch > > just > > > the > > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > > > fairly > > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, > > there > > > were more messages last month than at any time since the group > > began. > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release > Date: > > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > > > > From thebarguest@... Wed Aug 6 00:07:36 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:07:36 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Surprised he played "Brick", wow .... I reckon the most "seminal" show will be the next one (hopefully) with, no doubt, loads of stuff from "Never Mind The Bollocks" (sorry) !! Seriously, it's strange how few posts here are about the contents of the many Peel shows that have been shared ...... Thanks a zillion to all recent sharers of shows, btw !! Bye Mike Hunt --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. > > Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" > > Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and > Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. > > 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. > 2. highly original and influencing the development of future events: > a seminal artist; seminal ideas. > > Bill > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was > > hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was > > still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk > > "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... > > > > Musical highlights were... everything really....... > > I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded > > (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed > the > > > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my > > > headset. > > > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show > enough > > to > > > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome > > tapes. > > > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the > best > > > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis > > > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the > moment. > > I > > > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were > > later > > > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan > radio > > > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to > > > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still > > > love new music. > > > > > > > > Gordon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: billfromnorthwales > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > > > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ > > > 96khz, I > > > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the > Festive > > 50 > > > > 1978. > > > > > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes > > > peoples > > > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just > try > > > and > > > > make > > > > things the best you can. > > > > > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 > December > > > 1978 > > > > at > > > > 10PM. > > > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray > Spex. > > > > > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 > > introduces > > > the > > > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and > > then > > > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > > > > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended > to > > be > > > > much > > > > longer then. > > > > > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, > as > > I > > > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to > > > record > > > > on > > > > back then. > > > > > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch > > > just > > > > the > > > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some > are > > > > fairly > > > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, > > > there > > > > were more messages last month than at any time since the > group > > > began. > > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release > > Date: > > > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > > > > > > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Wed Aug 6 00:12:45 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:12:45 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anybody seen Mike Hunt? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Surprised he played "Brick", wow .... > > I reckon the most "seminal" show will be the next one > (hopefully) with, no doubt, loads of stuff from > "Never Mind The Bollocks" (sorry) !! > > Seriously, it's strange how few posts here are about > the contents of the many Peel shows that have been > shared ...... > > Thanks a zillion to all recent sharers of shows, btw !! > > Bye > Mike Hunt > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: > > > > I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" > > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > > > Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I > think. > > > > Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" > > > > Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and > > Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. > > > > 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. > > 2. highly original and influencing the development of future > events: > > a seminal artist; seminal ideas. > > > > Bill > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > > > Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was > > > hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was > > > still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk > > > "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... > > > > > > Musical highlights were... everything really....... > > > I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded > > > (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > > > > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed > > the > > > > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my > > > > headset. > > > > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show > > enough > > > to > > > > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome > > > tapes. > > > > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the > > best > > > > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis > > > > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > > > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the > > moment. > > > I > > > > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were > > > later > > > > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan > > radio > > > > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks > to > > > > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I > still > > > > love new music. > > > > > > > > > > Gordon > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: billfromnorthwales > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > > > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling > names > > > > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in > 24bit/ > > > > 96khz, I > > > > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the > > Festive > > > 50 > > > > > 1978. > > > > > > > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and > sometimes > > > > peoples > > > > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just > > try > > > > and > > > > > make > > > > > things the best you can. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > > > > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 > > December > > > > 1978 > > > > > at > > > > > 10PM. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > > > > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray > > Spex. > > > > > > > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 > > > introduces > > > > the > > > > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year > and > > > then > > > > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to > 26. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended > > to > > > be > > > > > much > > > > > longer then. > > > > > > > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, > > as > > > I > > > > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes > to > > > > record > > > > > on > > > > > back then. > > > > > > > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and > patch > > > > just > > > > > the > > > > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some > > are > > > > > fairly > > > > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > > > > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > > > > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the > bottom, > > > > there > > > > > were more messages last month than at any time since the > > group > > > > began. > > > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release > > > Date: > > > > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From thebarguest@... Wed Aug 6 00:29:54 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:29:54 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I used to work sometimes with a guy called Mike Hunt (and he was known as 'Mike') - thankfully for him he was quite an extrovert ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Has anybody seen Mike Hunt? > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > Surprised he played "Brick", wow .... > > > > I reckon the most "seminal" show will be the next one > > (hopefully) with, no doubt, loads of stuff from > > "Never Mind The Bollocks" (sorry) !! > > > > Seriously, it's strange how few posts here are about > > the contents of the many Peel shows that have been > > shared ...... > > > > Thanks a zillion to all recent sharers of shows, btw !! > > > > Bye > > Mike Hunt > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > > wrote: > > > > > > I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the > Wall" > > > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > > > > > Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I > > think. > > > > > > Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" > > > > > > Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and > > > Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. > > > > > > 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. > > > 2. highly original and influencing the development of future > > events: > > > a seminal artist; seminal ideas. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > > > > > Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was > > > > hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was > > > > still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk > > > > "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... > > > > > > > > Musical highlights were... everything really....... > > > > I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded > > > > (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I > missed > > > the > > > > > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > > > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through > my > > > > > headset. > > > > > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show > > > enough > > > > to > > > > > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk > chrome > > > > tapes. > > > > > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were > the > > > best > > > > > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, > Alexis > > > > > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > > > > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the > > > moment. > > > > I > > > > > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which > were > > > > later > > > > > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan > > > radio > > > > > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks > > to > > > > > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I > > still > > > > > love new music. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: billfromnorthwales > > > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > > > > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling > > names > > > > > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in > > 24bit/ > > > > > 96khz, I > > > > > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the > > > Festive > > > > 50 > > > > > > 1978. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and > > sometimes > > > > > peoples > > > > > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you > just > > > try > > > > > and > > > > > > make > > > > > > things the best you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 > > > December > > > > > 1978 > > > > > > at > > > > > > 10PM. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > > > > > > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray > > > Spex. > > > > > > > > > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 > > > > introduces > > > > > the > > > > > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year > > and > > > > then > > > > > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to > > 26. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks > tended > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > much > > > > > > longer then. > > > > > > > > > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape > changes, > > > as > > > > I > > > > > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes > > to > > > > > record > > > > > > on > > > > > > back then. > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and > > patch > > > > > just > > > > > > the > > > > > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. > Some > > > are > > > > > > fairly > > > > > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > > > > > > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the > > bottom, > > > > > there > > > > > > were more messages last month than at any time since the > > > group > > > > > began. > > > > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > > > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hubcity@... Wed Aug 6 04:53:28 2008 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:53:28 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, Nope - heard him play "Comfortably Numb" back to back with the Scissor Sisters' version of it sometime in (I'd guess) 2004, noting that it was likely the first time he'd ever played Floyd's version of that track, because they'd gotten a bit too "arena" for him by the time it came out. Can't seem to find a tracklisting that corroborates that, but I know I heard it. (He had surprisingly complimentary things to say about Springsteen's "Born In The USA" when he played Ballboy's version on the F50, too, but didn't play the original in that instance. Something to the effect that he'd never really understood the song 'til he heard Ballboy's version and, given the way Ballboy interpreted it, I get why that would be.) -Sean -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of billfromnorthwales Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:40 PM To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. 2. highly original and influencing the development of future events: a seminal artist; seminal ideas. Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was > hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was > still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk > "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... > > Musical highlights were... everything really....... > I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded > (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed the > > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill > > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my > > headset. > > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show enough > to > > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome > tapes. > > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the best > > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis > > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. > > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the moment. > I > > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were > later > > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan radio > > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to > > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still > > love new music. > > > > > > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: billfromnorthwales > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM > > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > > > > > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names > > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ > > 96khz, I > > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the Festive > 50 > > > 1978. > > > > > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes > > peoples > > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just try > > and > > > make > > > things the best you can. > > > > > > Anyway, on with the show. > > > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 December > > 1978 > > > at > > > 10PM. > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray Spex. > > > > > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 > introduces > > the > > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and > then > > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. > > > > > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended to > be > > > much > > > longer then. > > > > > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, as > I > > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to > > record > > > on > > > back then. > > > > > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch > > just > > > the > > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some are > > > fairly > > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) > > > > > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. > > > > > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, > > there > > > were more messages last month than at any time since the group > > began. > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release > Date: > > 01/08/2008 06:39 > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links From robfleay@... Wed Aug 6 09:56:01 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 7:56:01 +0000 Subject: [peel] Perfumed Garden Forum Message-ID: <20080806075601.UYBU19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > I beleive it has great potential and possibly move this group further along. > This is not to bellittle Stuart McHugh's splendid work in setting this > group up. > What does everyone else think? > Phil I'd agree with moving to a bulletin board - mailing lists are very 90's!! I administer a bulletin board using Invision software and it works like a dream, we even beat the spam army by moderating new members. However - I imagine that some people might be reading email at work and wouldn't have web access to a forum/BB solution ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From roger.carruthers@... Wed Aug 6 10:15:20 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:15:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Perfumed Garden Forum In-Reply-To: <20080806075601.UYBU19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <348616.90222.qm@...> Having been on several mailing lists that 'evolved' into web based forums ( 'fora' ?), I can tell you this is a contentious issue, and best either left alone ('if it aint broke...') or at least treated with some sensitivity. This is an area where you'll never please all of the people all of the time, so it's best to go with a solution that offers as many options as possible I actually prefer mailing lists, but then I thought the 90's wasn't such a bad decade either, cheers Roger --- RobF wrote: > > I beleive it has great potential and possibly move > this group further along. > > This is not to bellittle Stuart McHugh's splendid > work in setting this > > group up. > > What does everyone else think? > > Phil > > I'd agree with moving to a bulletin board - mailing > lists are very 90's!! > > I administer a bulletin board using Invision > software and it works like a dream, we even beat the > spam army by moderating new members. > > However - I imagine that some people might be > reading email at work and wouldn't have web access > to a forum/BB solution > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned > for spam > > From wewalkforonereason@... Wed Aug 6 10:29:10 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:29:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] Perfumed Garden Forum In-Reply-To: <348616.90222.qm@...> References: <20080806075601.UYBU19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> <348616.90222.qm@...> Message-ID: I'm with Roger on this. Que sera sera. 2008/8/6 ROGER CARRUTHERS : > Having been on several mailing lists that 'evolved' > into web based forums ( 'fora' ?), I can tell you this > is a contentious issue, and best either left alone > ('if it aint broke...') or at least treated with some > sensitivity. > This is an area where you'll never please all of the > people all of the time, so it's best to go with a > solution that offers as many options as possible > I actually prefer mailing lists, but then I thought > the 90's wasn't such a bad decade either, > cheers > Roger > > --- RobF wrote: > >> > I beleive it has great potential and possibly move >> this group further along. >> > This is not to bellittle Stuart McHugh's splendid >> work in setting this >> > group up. >> > What does everyone else think? >> > Phil >> >> I'd agree with moving to a bulletin board - mailing >> lists are very 90's!! >> >> I administer a bulletin board using Invision >> software and it works like a dream, we even beat the >> spam army by moderating new members. >> >> However - I imagine that some people might be >> reading email at work and wouldn't have web access >> to a forum/BB solution From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Wed Aug 6 13:40:16 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:40:16 -0000 Subject: Book of Essays Message-ID: I read on Channel 4 teletext (yes some of us still do use it) that on OCt 23 there's an anthology of Peel's writings for various magazines and essays put togther by Sheila. Does anybody have any info on what exactly might be in this. It definitely sounds like one to put on the xmas list. From lists@... Wed Aug 6 13:57:08 2008 From: lists@... (Rob Brewer) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:57:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] Book of Essays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:40 PM, theallnewadventuresofspp wrote: > I read on Channel 4 teletext (yes some of us still do use it) that on > OCt 23 there's an anthology of Peel's writings for various magazines > and essays put togther by Sheila. Does anybody have any info on what > exactly might be in this. It definitely sounds like one to put on the > xmas list. Amazon gives a little more detail than the teletext story: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olivetti-Chronicles-John-Peel/dp/059306061X ...but there's nothing on the publisher's website yet (Bantam/Transworld). http://www.booksattransworld.co.uk/ Rob -- Rob Brewer rob@... http://www.rbrwr.org "Who would not rather be a rising ape than a falling angel?" -- Terry Pratchett From r0bertward@... Wed Aug 6 14:08:06 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Book of Essays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5462.56288.qm@...> looks like this is the fella - "The Olivetti Chronicles"  presumably named after the make of his typewriter   http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olivetti-Chronicles-John-Peel/dp/059306061X/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218023423&sr=8-14 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, theallnewadventuresofspp wrote: From: theallnewadventuresofspp Subject: [peel] Book of Essays To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:40 PM I read on Channel 4 teletext (yes some of us still do use it) that on OCt 23 there's an anthology of Peel's writings for various magazines and essays put togther by Sheila. Does anybody have any info on what exactly might be in this. It definitely sounds like one to put on the xmas list. From troche@... Wed Aug 6 18:19:08 2008 From: troche@... (troche@...) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) Message-ID: <1111728.1218039548574.JavaMail.root@...> -----Original Message----- Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 >I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > >Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. > > > The oldest Peel cassette I have is from '82 when I was visiting London from my college home in Tallahassee Florida. I had brought along a fancy-at-the-time Walkman cassette player that could also record FM. (Yes yes I should dig up that tape and upload it someday.) The few Yanks here who knew of Peel then had to cope with truly pathetic shortwave reception from the BBC World Service, but it was worth it. I should say that BBCWS had fine engineering, but good SW radios were v expensive then and I could only afford a cheap one. On this Radio 1 show distinctly remember Peel playing a good chunk of the current Pink Floyd LP The Final Cut, which some of you may recall was a pessimistic and depressing album (think Falklands and Thatcher.) It was a poor seller with no hit single but still, briefly, a UK #1. John's intro was interesting in that he said, paraphrasing here, "there is a new album by The Pink Floyd, and it is not being heard on the radio at all, Radio 1 is not playing it in the daytime, Kid is not playing it, and when I listened to it I thought that.... well it doesn't matter what I think of it, I am going to play some of it now and let you decide, that is what is important." And then he played about 10 somber and droning minutes of it. It was also the show where almost certainly he played The Four Brothers for the first time, from the Earthworks album "Viva Zimbabwe" - one of the first African pop compilations ever. And it ("Makorokoto") was such a amazing track, with such fast guitar I first though the record was at the wrong speed. I went down to HMV the very next day, and brought it back to the states. John's playing of that one track began a passion - and near obsession - with African music that continues to this day. Tom Roche From eddie.duffy@... Wed Aug 6 18:31:06 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:31:06 -0000 Subject: The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) In-Reply-To: <1111728.1218039548574.JavaMail.root@...> Message-ID: Peel gave "See Emily Play" a spin as late as August 2004. It's a great moment actually, which I'll let speak for itself in this short MP3: http://tinyurl.com/5zvkn5 (Peel intro/outro only) Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, troche@... wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > >I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > > >Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. > > > > > > > > > > The oldest Peel cassette I have is from '82 when I was visiting London from my college home in Tallahassee Florida. I had brought along a fancy-at-the-time Walkman cassette player that could also record FM. (Yes yes I should dig up that tape and upload it someday.) The few Yanks here who knew of Peel then had to cope with truly pathetic shortwave reception from the BBC World Service, but it was worth it. I should say that BBCWS had fine engineering, but good SW radios were v expensive then and I could only afford a cheap one. > > On this Radio 1 show distinctly remember Peel playing a good chunk of the current Pink Floyd LP The Final Cut, which some of you may recall was a pessimistic and depressing album (think Falklands and Thatcher.) It was a poor seller with no hit single but still, briefly, a UK #1. > > John's intro was interesting in that he said, paraphrasing here, "there is a new album by The Pink Floyd, and it is not being heard on the radio at all, Radio 1 is not playing it in the daytime, Kid is not playing it, and when I listened to it I thought that.... well it doesn't matter what I think of it, I am going to play some of it now and let you decide, that is what is important." And then he played about 10 somber and droning minutes of it. > > It was also the show where almost certainly he played The Four Brothers for the first time, from the Earthworks album "Viva Zimbabwe" - one of the first African pop compilations ever. And it ("Makorokoto") was such a amazing track, with such fast guitar I first though the record was at the wrong speed. I went down to HMV the very next day, and brought it back to the states. John's playing of that one track began a passion - and near obsession - with African music that continues to this day. > > > Tom Roche > From billfromnorthwales@... Wed Aug 6 21:19:11 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:19:11 -0000 Subject: The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brilliant. Almost in a nutshell that is why we are here in this group. Also could you let us know if it is easy to post those little snipppets, because I'd like to play this game again! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > Peel gave "See Emily Play" a spin as late as August 2004. It's a great > moment actually, which I'll let speak for itself in this short MP3: > > http://tinyurl.com/5zvkn5 > > (Peel intro/outro only) > > Eddie. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, troche@ wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > > >I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" > > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > > > > >Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The oldest Peel cassette I have is from '82 when I was visiting > London from my college home in Tallahassee Florida. I had brought > along a fancy-at-the-time Walkman cassette player that could also > record FM. (Yes yes I should dig up that tape and upload it someday.) > The few Yanks here who knew of Peel then had to cope with truly > pathetic shortwave reception from the BBC World Service, but it was > worth it. I should say that BBCWS had fine engineering, but good SW > radios were v expensive then and I could only afford a cheap one. > > > > On this Radio 1 show distinctly remember Peel playing a good chunk > of the current Pink Floyd LP The Final Cut, which some of you may > recall was a pessimistic and depressing album (think Falklands and > Thatcher.) It was a poor seller with no hit single but still, briefly, > a UK #1. > > > > John's intro was interesting in that he said, paraphrasing here, > "there is a new album by The Pink Floyd, and it is not being heard on > the radio at all, Radio 1 is not playing it in the daytime, Kid is not > playing it, and when I listened to it I thought that.... well it > doesn't matter what I think of it, I am going to play some of it now > and let you decide, that is what is important." And then he played > about 10 somber and droning minutes of it. > > > > It was also the show where almost certainly he played The Four > Brothers for the first time, from the Earthworks album "Viva Zimbabwe" > - one of the first African pop compilations ever. And it > ("Makorokoto") was such a amazing track, with such fast guitar I first > though the record was at the wrong speed. I went down to HMV the very > next day, and brought it back to the states. John's playing of that > one track began a passion - and near obsession - with African music > that continues to this day. > > > > > > Tom Roche > > > From festive50@... Wed Aug 6 21:26:49 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:26:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094.82.44.181.124.1218050809.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@82.44.181.124> Twas John Peel Tracklistings: 21/1/2004 The Fall - '(We Are) Mod Goth Rock (EP - We Wish You A Protein Christmas)' (Action) Sony/Botox - 'Unknown 7"' (White Label) Courtney Love - 'Mono (CD Single)' (Virgin) The Intruders - 'Cowboys To Girls (LP - Kent's Cellar Of Soul)' (Kent) Perfect Combination - 'Acid Yeah (12")' (Freeform) Miss Black America - 'Beautiful Velocity 7"' (Repeat) Jeff Mills - 'Recorded Live At Maida Vale' (Peel Session) 20 Miles - 'All I Want (LP - I'm A Lucky Boy)' (Fat Possum) Harry Bigwood - 'Music ' (Broadcast) Pink Floyd - 'Comfortably Numb (Shine On Sampler)' (Shine) Scissor Sisters - 'Comfortably Numb (10")' (Polydor) Cock - 'Tampon Removal (EP - Where Girls Learn To Piss On Command)' (Stuhlgang) Bounty Killer - 'Hot Like Fire 7"' (40/40) Tracer AMC - 'Some Electric (LP - Flux ' (We Love Records) Phil > All, > > Nope - heard him play "Comfortably Numb" back to back with the Scissor > Sisters' version of it sometime in (I'd guess) 2004, noting that it was > likely the first time he'd ever played Floyd's version of that track, > because they'd gotten a bit too "arena" for him by the time it came out. > Can't seem to find a tracklisting that corroborates that, but I know I > heard > it. > > (He had surprisingly complimentary things to say about Springsteen's "Born > In The USA" when he played Ballboy's version on the F50, too, but didn't > play the original in that instance. Something to the effect that he'd > never > really understood the song 'til he heard Ballboy's version and, given the > way Ballboy interpreted it, I get why that would be.) > > -Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > billfromnorthwales > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:40 PM > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2 > > > I remember he was the fist one to play "Another Brick in the Wall" > single in 1979, though. That single famously got to #1 > > Almost certainly that would be the last time he played Floyd, I think. > > Incidentally, great use of the word "seminal" > > Although I still, even at this great age, laugh in a Beavis and > Butthead way at the dual meaning of it. > > 1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen. > 2. highly original and influencing the development of future events: > a seminal artist; seminal ideas. > > Bill > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: >> >> Having listened to this seminal show, the "Peel" highlight was >> hearing JP saying that he was pleased that the Floyd song was >> still in the FF ! Weird because I thought he'd become a punk >> "totalitarian" / anti-rockist by the end of 78 .......... >> >> Musical highlights were... everything really....... >> I was quite surprised how musical and rocky X-Ray Spex sounded >> (of course the vocals were quite 'punky')...... >> >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: >> > >> > Great work my man, I was on holiday throughout July so I missed > the >> > initial messages. It'll be up on FadesinSlowly by tomorrow. >> > >> > Adam >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Bill >> > > I was impressed at quality of recording listening through my >> > headset. >> > > I am used to feeling a bit smug for loving the Peely show > enough >> to >> > listen and keep the best bits from about 1978 on to tdk chrome >> tapes. >> > > Of course what I have are the tracks that I thought were the > best >> > from each show. My early tapes did include charty stuff, Alexis >> > Corner, but sadly not much of the dj's. >> > > I am happy to upload these but not really sure how at the > moment. >> I >> > have my tapes, which have now been digitized to wav, which were >> later >> > separated into alternative to commercial music. I still scan > radio >> > shows that play sort of alternative stuff for the best tracks to >> > compile my "best of" cd of the month of about 24tracks as I still >> > love new music. >> > > >> > > Gordon >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: billfromnorthwales >> > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com >> > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:46 AM >> > > Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 2 >> > > >> > > >> > > OK, after being admonished about shouting, and spelling names >> > > correctly, and being slated as crazy for digitising in 24bit/ >> > 96khz, I >> > > have come back a bit sheepishly to offer part 2 of the > Festive >> 50 >> > > 1978. >> > > >> > > But, y'know, sometimes you feel like shouting, and sometimes >> > peoples >> > > names are not spelt how you expect, and sometimes you just > try >> > and >> > > make >> > > things the best you can. >> > > >> > > Anyway, on with the show. >> > > >> > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Wednesday 27 > December >> > 1978 >> > > at >> > > 10PM. >> > > >> > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW >> > > >> > > It features sessions by Buzzcocks, Steel Pulse, and X Ray > Spex. >> > > >> > > After Part 1 played the best of the 1976 FF50, part 2 >> introduces >> > the >> > > concept of playing some of the best sessions of the year and >> then >> > > proceeding with the countdown, in this case numbers 40 to 26. >> > > >> > > I don't think that was done in 76 because the tracks tended > to >> be >> > > much >> > > longer then. >> > > >> > > This one contains 4 joins from tape flips and tape changes, > as >> I >> > > scrambled to find unused parts of cassettes and old tapes to >> > record >> > > on >> > > back then. >> > > >> > > (I always keep as much of the original as possible, and patch >> > just >> > > the >> > > section missing, rather than replace the entire track. Some > are >> > > fairly >> > > invisible to my ears, and others less so) >> > > >> > > No naming convention at all followed here yet. >> > > >> > > According to that Message History chart thing at the bottom, >> > there >> > > were more messages last month than at any time since the > group >> > began. >> > > Imagine that. >> > > >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> -- >> > ---------- >> > > >> > > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG. >> > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release >> Date: >> > 01/08/2008 06:39 >> > > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From spiggytopes55@... Wed Aug 6 21:40:54 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) Message-ID: <587920.15782.qm@...> Tom, I remember hearing "Makorokoto" and doing exactly the same, going out and buying it the next day. Still have the vinyl single, but found a "Best Off The Four Brothers" CD in Stern's Music http://www.sternsmusic.com/ on the Euston Road in London a few years ago and have never looked back. Another two that impressed me instantly were the 12" EP by the Hi-Fi Brothers (an Italian weird post punk/new wave combo) and "Your Knicked" by Laurel and Hardy, a South London Reggae outfit that had, to my knowledge, only the one 10" Single. While I still have the Vinyl of these, I've never seen either on CD. Shame. Julian __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From ken_garner@... Wed Aug 6 21:47:04 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:47:04 -0000 Subject: Book of Essays In-Reply-To: <5462.56288.qm@...> Message-ID: thanks. I knew from Sheila and William that this was at last being planned from around about Christmas time. But I did not know they were going to mix the articles with diary entries and other stuff. The blurb suggests - though this may not necessarily be an accurate reflection of the content - that the collection has therefore been chosen / shaped partly according to how the articles work together as a 'second autobiography' - so maybe not so much from Sounds or The Observer then. We will all buy it of course and like it, but die hards like us may I suspect want more more more. I had an email conversation with William in which i did some rough calculations about what the vast selection job might be like (which I am sure he hardly needed to hear!): I worked out that John must have been doing an article of an average of 800 words almost every week for most years since 68 (successively for Disc and Music Echo, International Times, The Listener, Sounds, Observer, Independent, Radio Times, etc), which comes to, er, at least 1.4 million words. So it would be theoretically possible to make and justify three separate books out of a selection from each of the Sounds, Observer* and Radio Times years respectively - Jeremy Clarkson just throws 50 or 60 columns into a large- print paperback and shifts a quarter of a million copies! Even to select 10% of the grand extant total would fill two doorstep hardbacks of approx 600-800 pages each. [*I have a strong hunch that the Guardian empire may well do a volume of Peel in the Observer complete anyway in a year or two - it's exactly the kid of thing they do, eg Orwell's Observer years) But the family (and the publishers, of course) were keen to get on with it and agree on the most notable / funniest / controversial pieces and get them out there, and I am sure they will have come up with an enjoyable taster But we will have to wait a long time for A COMPLETE COLLECTED PEEL JOURNALISM (which would still actually only print in full about 20% of it all), and which would fill 2 or 3 hardback vols plus intro, notes, chronologies etc. Maybe in 2020? 2030? ken --- In peel@...m, Robert Ward wrote: > > looks like this is the fella - "The Olivetti Chronicles"  presumably named after the make of his typewriter >   > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olivetti-Chronicles-John- Peel/dp/059306061X/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218023423&sr=8-14 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, theallnewadventuresofspp wrote: > > From: theallnewadventuresofspp > Subject: [peel] Book of Essays > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:40 PM > > > > > > > I read on Channel 4 teletext (yes some of us still do use it) that on > OCt 23 there's an anthology of Peel's writings for various magazines > and essays put togther by Sheila. Does anybody have any info on what > exactly might be in this. It definitely sounds like one to put on the > xmas list. > From john.bravin@... Wed Aug 6 22:39:48 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:39:48 +0200 Subject: Peel plays Bosinquet In-Reply-To: <6974965b0807281459s59b44483yd78d136af272c7bd@...> References: <6974965b0807281459s59b44483yd78d136af272c7bd@...> Message-ID: <489A0C14.2010608@...> Two more Peel Show uploads for your summer listening. The first is truly bizarre - a short snippet of Peel introducing and playing Dance With Me by Reginald Bosinquet. Back in 1980 when ITV was still a serious public service broadcaster, the News at Ten newsreader Reginald Bosinquet recorded a single that was totally at odds with his serious on-screen persona. Peel played it several times; this was the second playing. http://rapidshare.com/files/135363595/Reginald_Bosinquet_-_Dance_with_me.mp3 The second is a compilation from 1980-1983, heavily edited with most Peel links intact. It features Undertones, Nails (88 lines about 44 women), Alexi Sayle (Hello John Gotta New Motor), Junior Roots, Elmore James, a short celebration of Daglaishmus, UK Decay, New Order, Angelic Upstarts, Girlschool and Psychedelic Furs. If you want audio purity or need to know the exact date or time of the transmissions this one is probably not for you. If you remember Peel as a bloke who played a variety of music with funny links you might just like it.... http://rapidshare.com/files/135367848/Tape_061A.mp3 John From martinw@... Wed Aug 6 22:41:06 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:41:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) In-Reply-To: <587920.15782.qm@...> References: <587920.15782.qm@...> Message-ID: >"Your Knicked" by Laurel and Hardy, a South London Reggae outfit >that had, to my knowledge, only the one 10" Single. While I still >have the Vinyl of these, I've never seen either on CD. Shame. > >Julian > Clunk Click/You're Nicked (Dub) from 1982 Lots Of Loving (And She's Gone)/Wan 'Fe Rave from 1983 are 2 singles they did Also there is a Peel session and a Jensen session martinw From spiggytopes55@... Wed Aug 6 22:55:20 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) Message-ID: <20166.90602.qm@...> Blimey Martin, I knew someone would know a bit more about these guys than I do. Anyone got the two sessions? That makes 3 singles then as the 10" I have was "Your Nicked" plus one other and "Your Nicked" was the "A" Side. Incidentally, on a non Peel note, there I was coming back from the dentist this afternoon (having paid out loads of dosh and having no work done!!) and I had some sort of flashback to 1968 - God I wish I'd never taken those drugs all that time ago - and thought of the single "Race With The Devil" by Gun. Gun were the brainchild of the Gurvitz brothers, who after two albums, were ceremoniously dropped by CBS and soon after hitched up with one Ginger Baker to form the Baker Gurvitz Army. Apparently the notable thing about their second album, other than the fact that it was a massive flop, was that it had the first album art by one Roger Dean.   Anyhow, for all you of older years, like myself, the single "Race With The Devil" can be had for free from: http://ravensingstheblues.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-right-all-right-since-this-didnt.html I bet Peel played this, despite the fact that it was a fairly massive hit at the time. Julian ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Wheatley To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008 9:41:06 PM Subject: Re: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) >"Your Knicked" by Laurel and Hardy, a South London Reggae outfit >that had, to my knowledge, only the one 10" Single. While I still >have the Vinyl of these, I've never seen either on CD. Shame. > >Julian > Clunk Click/You're Nicked (Dub) from 1982 Lots Of Loving (And She's Gone)/Wan 'Fe Rave from 1983 are 2 singles they did Also there is a Peel session and a Jensen session martinw __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From martinw@... Wed Aug 6 23:53:28 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:53:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) In-Reply-To: <20166.90602.qm@...> References: <20166.90602.qm@...> Message-ID: At 21:55 06/08/2008, you wrote: >Blimey Martin, > >I knew someone would know a bit more about these guys than I do. >Anyone got the two sessions? Yes. I'll put them up at the weekend >and thought of the single "Race With The Devil" by Gun. Gun were the >brainchild of the Gurvitz brothers, who after two albums, were >ceremoniously dropped by CBS and soon after hitched up with one >Ginger Baker to form the Baker Gurvitz Army. Apparently the notable >thing about their second album, other than the fact that it was a >massive flop, was that it had the first album art by one Roger Dean. > >Anyhow, for all you of older years, like myself, the single "Race >With The Devil" can be had for free from: >http://ravensingstheblues.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-right-all-right-since-this-didnt.html > >I bet Peel played this, despite the fact that it was a fairly >massive hit at the time. There were a couple of Top Gear sessions which I don't have From spiggytopes55@... Wed Aug 6 23:56:40 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:56:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) Message-ID: <628755.31951.qm@...> Martin, It will be good to hear them too. Cheers, Julian ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Wheatley To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008 10:53:28 PM Subject: Re: [peel] The Pink Floyd (was Re: Festive 50 1978 Part 2) At 21:55 06/08/2008, you wrote: >Blimey Martin, > >I knew someone would know a bit more about these guys than I do. >Anyone got the two sessions? Yes. I'll put them up at the weekend >and thought of the single "Race With The Devil" by Gun. Gun were the >brainchild of the Gurvitz brothers, who after two albums, were >ceremoniously dropped by CBS and soon after hitched up with one >Ginger Baker to form the Baker Gurvitz Army. Apparently the notable >thing about their second album, other than the fact that it was a >massive flop, was that it had the first album art by one Roger Dean. > >Anyhow, for all you of older years, like myself, the single "Race >With The Devil" can be had for free from: >http://ravensingsth eblues.blogspot. com/2008/ 07/all-right- all-right- since-this- didnt.html > >I bet Peel played this, despite the fact that it was a fairly >massive hit at the time. There were a couple of Top Gear sessions which I don't have __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From spiggytopes55@... Thu Aug 7 00:03:28 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet Message-ID: <93805.36517.qm@...> John, The first is really bizzarre, however, you'll probably be aware that our Reggie (or Ronnie Beaujolais as Private Eye used to call him) was well known for being a piss artist, and let's face it he sounds pissed on this track, but back in those good old days of 76/77, I remember walking down the Kings Road one Saturday morning and coming across Reggie, walking toward me, quite clearly out of his box, and this was about 9:30 in the morning!! And don't get me talking about The Nails. What a great record that was. The other three tracks on the EP were shite though. Julian ----- Original Message ---- From: John Bravin To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008 9:39:48 PM Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet Two more Peel Show uploads for your summer listening. The first is truly bizarre - a short snippet of Peel introducing and playing Dance With Me by Reginald Bosinquet. Back in 1980 when ITV was still a serious public service broadcaster, the News at Ten newsreader Reginald Bosinquet recorded a single that was totally at odds with his serious on-screen persona. Peel played it several times; this was the second playing. http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135363595/ Reginald_ Bosinquet_ -_Dance_with_ me.mp3 The second is a compilation from 1980-1983, heavily edited with most Peel links intact. It features Undertones, Nails (88 lines about 44 women), Alexi Sayle (Hello John Gotta New Motor), Junior Roots, Elmore James, a short celebration of Daglaishmus, UK Decay, New Order, Angelic Upstarts, Girlschool and Psychedelic Furs. If you want audio purity or need to know the exact date or time of the transmissions this one is probably not for you. If you remember Peel as a bloke who played a variety of music with funny links you might just like it.... http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135367848/ Tape_061A. mp3 John __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From markbursa@... Thu Aug 7 03:23:46 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:23:46 EDT Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet Message-ID: >>The first is really bizzarre, however, you'll probably be aware that our Reggie (or Ronnie Beaujolais as Private Eye used to call him) was well known for being a piss artist, and let's face it he sounds pissed on this track, but back in those good old days of 76/77, I remember walking down the Kings Road one Saturday morning and coming across Reggie, walking toward me, quite clearly out of his box, and this was about 9:30 in the morning!!<< Reginald Bosanquet (not Bosinquet) was the inspiration for be-toupeed alcoholic lothatrio newsreader Henry Davenport on UK sitcom Drop the Dead Donkey. Henry was actually a toned-down version of Reggie! Mark From roger.carruthers@... Thu Aug 7 13:53:13 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:53:13 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet In-Reply-To: <93805.36517.qm@...> Message-ID: When I was at college on the King¹s Rd, rumour had it that Reggie was wont to play pool at our local, dressed in brown corduroys, tucked into cowboy boots. Wasn¹t he also supposed to have introduced the Political Editor in a less than sober moment, by saying Œand now over to our Political idiot¹ ? It¹s a good story, anyway... Cheers Roger On 06/08/2008 23:03, "Julian Porter" wrote: > > > > John, > > The first is really bizzarre, however, you'll probably be aware that our > Reggie (or Ronnie Beaujolais as Private Eye used to call him) was well known > for being a piss artist, and let's face it he sounds pissed on this track, but > back in those good old days of 76/77, I remember walking down the Kings Road > one Saturday morning and coming across Reggie, walking toward me, quite > clearly out of his box, and this was about 9:30 in the morning!! > > > And don't get me talking about The Nails. What a great record that was. The > other three tracks on the EP were shite though. > > > > Julian > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John Bravin > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008 9:39:48 PM > Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet > > Two more Peel Show uploads for your summer listening. > > The first is truly bizarre - a short snippet of Peel introducing and > playing Dance With Me by Reginald Bosinquet. Back in 1980 when ITV was > still a serious public service broadcaster, the News at Ten newsreader > Reginald Bosinquet recorded a single that was totally at odds with his > serious on-screen persona. Peel played it several times; this was the > second playing. > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135363595/ Reginald_ Bosinquet_ -_Dance_with_ > me.mp3 > > > The second is a compilation from 1980-1983, heavily edited with most > Peel links intact. It features Undertones, Nails (88 lines about 44 > women), Alexi Sayle (Hello John Gotta New Motor), Junior Roots, Elmore > James, a short celebration of Daglaishmus, UK Decay, New Order, Angelic > Upstarts, Girlschool and Psychedelic Furs. If you want audio purity or > need to know the exact date or time of the transmissions this one is > probably not for you. If you remember Peel as a bloke who played a > variety of music with funny links you might just like it.... > > http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135367848/ Tape_061A. mp3 > > > John > > > > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - > millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! > > > From eddie.duffy@... Thu Aug 7 17:07:03 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:07:03 -0000 Subject: Another oldie from me Message-ID: OK, another upload, this time a Top Gear from December 12th 1969. Featuring studio guests, Miss Top Gear and the pick of the year's session tracks. Full 2-hour show. Get it here: http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ I'd be grateful if people could critique the sound quality of this one as, wait for it, I have a collection of 200 tapes from the 90's I'm planning to encode at some point (an eBay win from last year). So please speak now if I'm making a pig's ear of it. A lossless version can be made available if there's any demand. Eddie. From eddie.duffy@... Thu Aug 7 17:08:33 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:08:33 -0000 Subject: Another oldie from me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bah! That date should have read, "December 27th. 1969". --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > OK, another upload, this time a Top Gear from December 12th 1969. > Featuring studio guests, Miss Top Gear and the pick of the year's > session tracks. Full 2-hour show. Get it here: > > http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ > > I'd be grateful if people could critique the sound quality of this one > as, wait for it, I have a collection of 200 tapes from the 90's I'm > planning to encode at some point (an eBay win from last year). So > please speak now if I'm making a pig's ear of it. > > A lossless version can be made available if there's any demand. > > Eddie. > From thebarguest@... Thu Aug 7 18:19:17 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:19:17 -0000 Subject: Peel plays Bosinquet In-Reply-To: <489A0C14.2010608@...> Message-ID: Thanks John - great comp tape (notice how the media has started calling them 'mix' tapes recently); very good audio quality and excellent selection of songs .......... Nice to hear the version of "Gotta New Motor" by Alexei Sayle. The Reggie Bosanquet song reminded me of Oliver Reed singing. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Two more Peel Show uploads for your summer listening. > > The first is truly bizarre - a short snippet of Peel introducing and > playing Dance With Me by Reginald Bosinquet. Back in 1980 when ITV was > still a serious public service broadcaster, the News at Ten newsreader > Reginald Bosinquet recorded a single that was totally at odds with his > serious on-screen persona. Peel played it several times; this was the > second playing. > > http://rapidshare.com/files/135363595/Reginald_Bosinquet_- _Dance_with_me.mp3 > > The second is a compilation from 1980-1983, heavily edited with most > Peel links intact. It features Undertones, Nails (88 lines about 44 > women), Alexi Sayle (Hello John Gotta New Motor), Junior Roots, Elmore > James, a short celebration of Daglaishmus, UK Decay, New Order, Angelic > Upstarts, Girlschool and Psychedelic Furs. If you want audio purity or > need to know the exact date or time of the transmissions this one is > probably not for you. If you remember Peel as a bloke who played a > variety of music with funny links you might just like it.... > > http://rapidshare.com/files/135367848/Tape_061A.mp3 > > John > From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Thu Aug 7 18:41:42 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (stephen phythian) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet In-Reply-To: <489A0C14.2010608@...> Message-ID: <568266.12852.qm@...> Thanks so much for this. It's so insane I can scarcely belive it exists- "Dance Ladies, Come on take a chance Ladies..." --- On Wed, 6/8/08, John Bravin wrote: From: John Bravin Subject: [peel] Peel plays Bosinquet To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 9:39 PM Two more Peel Show uploads for your summer listening. The first is truly bizarre - a short snippet of Peel introducing and playing Dance With Me by Reginald Bosinquet. Back in 1980 when ITV was still a serious public service broadcaster, the News at Ten newsreader Reginald Bosinquet recorded a single that was totally at odds with his serious on-screen persona. Peel played it several times; this was the second playing. http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135363595/ Reginald_ Bosinquet_ -_Dance_with_ me.mp3 The second is a compilation from 1980-1983, heavily edited with most Peel links intact. It features Undertones, Nails (88 lines about 44 women), Alexi Sayle (Hello John Gotta New Motor), Junior Roots, Elmore James, a short celebration of Daglaishmus, UK Decay, New Order, Angelic Upstarts, Girlschool and Psychedelic Furs. If you want audio purity or need to know the exact date or time of the transmissions this one is probably not for you. If you remember Peel as a bloke who played a variety of music with funny links you might just like it.... http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135367848/ Tape_061A. mp3 John __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From deedeeramain@... Thu Aug 7 21:14:41 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] JP DVD Message-ID: <448013.54627.qm@...> Hi Alasdair! Forgive my stupidity but how do you load up this torrent? I can follow the link to the list of torrents. When I click on the Peel torrent the web page directs me to another page with more detailed stats. regarding that partic. torrent. I try to post the URL in my uTorrent 'add torrent from URL' but it gives me an invalid message. Any idea where I'm going wrong? Thanks! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: Alasdair Macdonald To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 10:45:26 PM Subject: [peel] JP DVD I just put up some Peel related TV programmes via bittorrent: http://www.jah- peel.no-ip. org:7070/ Although I don't recall exactly how or when I recorded items 2 & 3, my authoring software tells me that all the video content has "open GOPs", which indicates that they are all DVB - sourced. ie bit perfect copies of the broadcast streams. (Actually that's a little odd, because I didn't think I had that capability in October 2004, but who knows....) The radio documentary and rebroadcast of Arena - well, I remember recording those (last September, maybe "It's Alive" was from August. Here it all is anyway: DVB-S broadcasts. 256kbps audio (except for It's Alive) 1. Arena : Today Carshalton Beeches Tomorrow Croydon (probably from BBC4 broadcast 2007-09-30) (3299kbps) 2. Turn That Racket Down (rebroadcast date unknown) (3228kbps) 3. Tributes - probably broadcast within a week or so of John's death on 2004-10-25 (3472kbps) 4. It's Alive - 1991 radio documentary about Peel sessions. Rebroadcast 2007-08-xx or 2007-09-xx (160kbps mp2) Once this is fully seeded I shall be using my bandwidth elsewhere, so it will be up to others to keep seeding, or share elsewhere. If you want to extract the audio (for instance for "It's Alive") without re-encoding, VideoRedo (to name but one) could be used. From ddriscoll@... Thu Aug 7 21:58:05 2008 From: ddriscoll@... (fruitierthanthou) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:58:05 -0000 Subject: Laurel & Hardy Message-ID: I can't remember who wanted the LAUREL & HARDY sessions I have the JENSEN one (17.3.1983 was scribbled on the cassette) but not the PEEL one. Sorry Don't know what happened there I have loaded up here, for whoever wanted it http://rapidshare.com/files/135631969/Laurel___Hardy_- _Kid_Jensen_17.3.1983.zip Best regards FTT/Dave END OF MESSAGE From wewalkforonereason@... Thu Aug 7 22:00:30 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:00:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] JP DVD In-Reply-To: <448013.54627.qm@...> References: <448013.54627.qm@...> Message-ID: you have to register (you can give a fake e-mail address) then login then click the link in the "download" column. 2008/8/7 Riving Ton : > Hi Alasdair! > > Forgive my stupidity but how do you load up this torrent? > > I can follow the link to the list of torrents. When I click on the Peel > torrent the web page directs me to another page with more detailed > stats. regarding that partic. torrent. I try to post the URL in my uTorrent > 'add torrent from URL' but it gives me an invalid message. > > Any idea where I'm going wrong? > > Thanks! > > DeeDee > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Alasdair Macdonald > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 10:45:26 PM > Subject: [peel] JP DVD > > I just put up some Peel related TV programmes via bittorrent: > > http://www.jah- peel.no-ip. org:7070/ > > Although I don't recall exactly how or when I recorded items 2 & 3, my > authoring software tells me that all the video content has "open > GOPs", which indicates that they are all DVB - sourced. ie bit perfect > copies of the broadcast streams. (Actually that's a little odd, > because I didn't think I had that capability in October 2004, but who > knows....) > > The radio documentary and rebroadcast of Arena - well, I remember > recording those (last September, maybe "It's Alive" was from August. > Here it all is anyway: > > DVB-S broadcasts. 256kbps audio (except for It's Alive) > > 1. Arena : Today Carshalton Beeches Tomorrow Croydon (probably from > BBC4 broadcast 2007-09-30) (3299kbps) > 2. Turn That Racket Down (rebroadcast date unknown) (3228kbps) > 3. Tributes - probably broadcast within a week or so of John's death > on 2004-10-25 (3472kbps) > > 4. It's Alive - 1991 radio documentary about Peel sessions. > Rebroadcast 2007-08-xx or 2007-09-xx (160kbps mp2) > > Once this is fully seeded I shall be using my bandwidth elsewhere, so > it will be up to others to keep seeding, or share elsewhere. > > If you want to extract the audio (for instance for "It's Alive") > without re-encoding, VideoRedo (to name but one) could be used. > > From spiggytopes55@... Thu Aug 7 22:45:25 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:45:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy Message-ID: <712036.51402.qm@...> I've tried all combinations of that link and cannot get it to work. Boo Hoo! Julian ----- Original Message ---- From: fruitierthanthou To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 8:58:05 PM Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy I can't remember who wanted the LAUREL & HARDY sessions I have the JENSEN one (17.3.1983 was scribbled on the cassette) but not the PEEL one. Sorry … Don't know what happened there I have loaded up here, for whoever wanted it http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135631969/ Laurel___ Hardy_- _Kid_Jensen_ 17.3.1983. zip Best regards FTT/Dave END OF MESSAGE __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From trevor_huddleston@... Thu Aug 7 22:50:29 2008 From: trevor_huddleston@... (Trevor Huddleston) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:50:29 +0100 Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy In-Reply-To: <712036.51402.qm@...> References: <712036.51402.qm@...> Message-ID: Hi Julian Worked fine for me. But the correct link was split across two lines. The corrected full link is: http://rapidshare.com/files/135631969/Laurel___Hardy_-_Kid_Jensen_17.3.1983.zip Hope this helps! Trevor To: peel@yahoogroups.comFrom: spiggytopes55@...: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:45:25 +0000Subject: Re: [peel] Laurel & Hardy I've tried all combinations of that link and cannot get it to work. Boo Hoo! Julian ----- Original Message ----From: fruitierthanthou To: peel@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 8:58:05 PMSubject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy I can't remember who wanted the LAUREL & HARDY sessionsI have the JENSEN one (17.3.1983 was scribbled on the cassette) but not the PEEL one. Sorry … Don't know what happened thereI have loaded up here, for whoever wanted ithttp://rapidshare. com/files/ 135631969/ Laurel___ Hardy_-_Kid_Jensen_ 17.3.1983. zipBest regardsFTT/DaveEND OF MESSAGE Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/ From ddriscoll@... Thu Aug 7 23:06:48 2008 From: ddriscoll@... (Dave Driscoll) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:06:48 +0100 Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy References: <712036.51402.qm@...> Message-ID: <003601c8f8d1$81d2fa80$66514e4f@DRISCOLL> Thanks Trevor... Sorry guys I forget that if its a long link the groop pages will sometimes split the link FTT/Dave END OF MESSAGE ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Huddleston To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: RE: [peel] Laurel & Hardy Hi Julian Worked fine for me. But the correct link was split across two lines. The corrected full link is: http://rapidshare.com/files/135631969/Laurel___Hardy_-_Kid_Jensen_17.3.1983.zip Hope this helps! Trevor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: spiggytopes55@yahoo.co.uk Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:45:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [peel] Laurel & Hardy I've tried all combinations of that link and cannot get it to work. Boo Hoo! Julian ----- Original Message ---- From: fruitierthanthou To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 8:58:05 PM Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy I can't remember who wanted the LAUREL & HARDY sessions I have the JENSEN one (17.3.1983 was scribbled on the cassette) but not the PEEL one. Sorry … Don't know what happened there I have loaded up here, for whoever wanted it http://rapidshare. com/files/ 135631969/ Laurel___ Hardy_- _Kid_Jensen_ 17.3.1983. zip Best regards FTT/Dave END OF MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find out how to make Messenger your very own TV! Try it Now! From andrewianfox33@... Thu Aug 7 23:13:50 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:13:50 -0000 Subject: 40th birthday show, Best source? + Message-ID: tis my favourite program but i could do with a better copy my tape is about worn out, with the other 7 songs added on would be nice too!! would appreciate getting hold of some more progs of 1978 to 1983 ish can you point me to good sources... cheers andrew BTW i have genuine Laurel and Hardy 12" singles if anyone wants a copy uploaded somewhere..... From spiggytopes55@... Thu Aug 7 23:16:53 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:16:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Laurel & Hardy Message-ID: <34797.71823.qm@...> Trevor, Worked that time. Excellent. And thanks to Dave for putting it up in the first place. Julian __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From spiggytopes55@... Thu Aug 7 23:21:51 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:21:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] 40th birthday show, Best source? + Message-ID: <522966.78388.qm@...> Andrew, Yes please. BTW i have genuine Laurel and Hardy 12" singles if anyone wants a copy uploaded somewhere... .. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From saipanda@... Fri Aug 8 04:34:23 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:34:23 -0000 Subject: 40th birthday show, Best source? + In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This one is still listed in the "Rewound" section of "The Peel Tapes": http://www.jonhorne.co.uk/jptapes/jptapesrewound.html Hope the links still work. It's one of my favourites as well. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > tis my favourite program but i could do with a better copy my tape is > about worn out, with the other 7 songs added on would be nice too!! > > would appreciate getting hold of some more progs of 1978 to 1983 ish > can you point me to good sources... > > cheers andrew > > BTW i have genuine Laurel and Hardy 12" singles if anyone wants a > copy uploaded somewhere..... > From dutch_record_59@... Fri Aug 8 10:00:34 2008 From: dutch_record_59@... (Gert Stuut) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? Message-ID: <18818.59510.qm@...> Info about 3D and other Liverpool bands can be found here: http://music-isms.blogspot.com Nice site with DL links for singles, rarities and Peel sessions. Cheers, Gert ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Duffy To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:14:59 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Missing In Action: The Lost Peel? And here's the other one I put up at the time: 13th. September 1983 (about half the show). Sessions tonight come from 3D and a repeat of The Popticians' debut. Does anyone know whatever became of 3D? With that name, they're just about Google-proof. Details: 2 x 30 minutes. Recorded by DuffPaddy on a BASF LH-60 cassette from FM radio. Encoded by Baz. First few seconds are a biz fuzzy - probably me adjusting the aerial. I'm reasonably sure I've got these two parts of the show the correct way around, but not 100% so. Part 1 http://www.divshare .com/download/ 5015193-651 (41.7Mb, 192K, 30:23) 3D - Pantau (Peel session) Dub Syndicate - Drilling Equipment Modern English - I Melt With You The Popticians - Hello Everybody (Peel session) Tools You Can Trust - Working And Shopping The Undertones - Girls That Don't Talk 3D - Brave Boys' Paradise (Peel session) Serious Drinking - TV Song Part 2 http://www.divshare .com/download/ 5015241-e11 (41.7Mb, 192K, 30:23) The Fall - Kicker Conspiracy The Fall - Container Drivers (Peel session) The Fall - Wings The Popticians - Mobile Home (Peel session) Alton Ellis - Can I Change My Mind? 3D - Stay (Peel session) This Mortal Coil - Song To The Siren Augustus Pablo - Mr Basie X-mal Deutschland - Incubus Succubus Eddie. From vinpinman@... Fri Aug 8 11:19:05 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:19:05 -0000 Subject: Another oldie from me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where would we be without you! From rockerq@... Fri Aug 8 14:34:53 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:34:53 EDT Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: A quick update! Still ploughing through the box of cassettes! Should have them listed this weekend. Have had five volunteers for ripping duties: Roger Carruthers (South Wales) faggy-fewster (London) Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) Jimmy Step (Glasgow) Dr Mango (Lancashire) Anyone else please mail now! Thanks to postage contributors have just ordered 20 prepaid special delivery envelopes at a fiver each. Will send out packs of cassettes early next week and enclose a return envelope in each pack. Each pack allows up to 500 grammes, which I reckon is around 6 to 8 tapes. Cheers! Rocker From rockerq@... Fri Aug 8 14:40:25 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:40:25 EDT Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: PS I am DJing tonight @ Twee As Fuck - The Buffalo Bar, Islington - (I'm on at midnight, just after Bearsuit). If any of our rippers fancy coming along let me know & I'll bring some tapes with me - you can text me on 07973 701959 - I may be able to sort a guestlist too! Will also be in London on Thursday for The Manhattan Love Suicides early evening gig @ Rough Trade East Cheers! Rocker From saipanda@... Fri Aug 8 16:34:16 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:34:16 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for the update, Rocker. Please let us know if supplementary round of contributions is required for post and package. On a kind of related thing, have been hard at work on the Peel Wiki over the past couple of days. Now on the verge of completing a full date index to cover the years 1967-2004. Thinking this will be useful to build up a searchable database of tracklistings for shows, sessions, etc. In order not to clutter the list, I'm posting updates on the forum at Perfumed Garden. All welcome for further ideas, related discussion, etc. Now thinking it should be a pretty simple matter to set up something very basic at the Peel Wiki to help us keep a track of what's going on with the "400 Tapes". Uh, hopefully! Further to this, Rocker, are you giving each tape a unique ID number? Would be relatively easy to set up separate (linked up) pages for with details for each one. If so, how many tapes are there? Alternatively, if you've already got dates for each tape, should be easy enough to link them all up by show date. Many thanks again to you and all volunteer rippers! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > A quick update! > > Still ploughing through the box of cassettes! Should have them listed this > weekend. > > Have had five volunteers for ripping duties: > > Roger Carruthers (South Wales) > faggy-fewster (London) > Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) > Jimmy Step (Glasgow) > Dr Mango (Lancashire) > > Anyone else please mail now! > > Thanks to postage contributors have just ordered 20 prepaid special delivery > envelopes at a fiver each. Will send out packs of cassettes early next week > and enclose a return envelope in each pack. Each pack allows up to 500 grammes, > which I reckon is around 6 to 8 tapes. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From rockerq@... Fri Aug 8 17:12:32 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:12:32 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: Just listening to a 1979 show where he raves about the new 3rd session from Siouxsie & The Banshees & Plays "Teenage Kicks"; "Tommy Gun"; "Promises"; "Feed The Enemy" as well as The Beatles "I want to hold your hand" and even a Thin Lizzy track! There's a bit of Reggae, but the musical spread is noticably narrower than in later days - presumably because HipHop, Techno, Drum'n'bass, and even synth pop hadn't been invented yet! That said is fantastic to hear the punk stuff in (for most of us) it's original context! I actually remember hearing this one when it went out - not for the actual music, but for a couple of links - one where he mentioned a Sheffield Fanzine that a mate of mine was involved with, and one where his engineer had found him one of those "Box Of Laughs" toys which made a horrible laughing noise which would only stop when the batteries are removed - he then uses it throughout the show whenever he plays a record with a doomy intro - I remember trying to find one for weeks afterwards! Quality of this one, and quite a few I've skimmed is pretty good - one or two I've tried have been almost unlistenable - although no doubt we can make at least some improvement by digital tarting up. Damn! It just ran out halfway through a Linton Kwezi Johnson track - problem is that when you are overwriting "The big wheels of Motown" you only get an hour or so on the tape - will check to see it the rest is on another one! Cheers! Rocker From mar.celle@... Fri Aug 8 17:56:18 2008 From: mar.celle@... (Marcelle van Hoof) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:56:18 +0200 Subject: DJ Marcelle/Another Nice Mess Meets Her Soulmates At Faust Studio Deejay Laboratory OUT NOW!!!! Message-ID: <005901c8f96f$4be8e760$9b00000a@lan> dear all, my collaboration with early Peel favoutites Faust has seen the light of day! The title is inspired by old dub albums like Rockers Meet King Tubbys At..... etc. and the album is '' a celebration of musical inspiration and personal friendship worldwide''. The mix album was recorded at Faust Studio in Germany. It's double vinyl only (no cd, no download), 34 tracks, great musical diversity (from dubstep to postpunk, from African to riot grrls and from German schlagers to breakcore), nearly 80 minutes, great sound quality, fabulous colourful sleeve and...some of the names of people on this list are on the sleeve! And of course the record is dedicated to my mentor John Peel. Klangbad (the label) and myself can't afford to give out free copies of this vinyl heaven, but you are very welcome to buy it!! If you transfer 20 Euros plus 11 Euros postage (as it a double album with quite heavy vinyl postage is relatively high) into my Pay Pal account I'll get the record immediately to you, signed if you like that. Don't forget to give me your home address! So, 31 Euros into mar.celle@... If you order up to 4 copies, ther postage amount remains the same. So 2 copies cost you 51 Euros, 3 = 71 Euros, 4 = 91 Euros. lots of love your soulmate, Marcelle www.anothernicemess.com From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 9 01:11:32 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:11:32 -0000 Subject: New download (1981) In-Reply-To: <2485.80403.qm@...> Message-ID: Great tape, ta la ! Date is July 81 I think, coz Peely refers to the new release from the Gang of Four, which was July 3rd 1981 (thanks Mr Google) ......... Great to hear the Magazine song - criminally underrated band, much better than their admirers, Radiohead. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dr Mango wrote: > > I thought it was about time that I sorted out my additions to the recent flurry of new downloads. But first of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has popped up in the last 6 months or so with excellent new shows to share. I've particularly enjoyed the 1982 ones. This was several years before I started to tune in regularly, so to have them complete to hear 26 years later in fine quality has been wonderful. I'm also grateful to have got my hands on shows from the 1990s, a decade that seems to be a bit thinly served when you look at what's in circulation. > > Before I describe my first tape, I'll tell you all a story. In the aftermath of Peel's passing, I rued my meagre archive of recordings and cursed myself for not having the foresight (or spare tapes) to record more shows, particularly back in the days when I first began to listen to the JP show. I used to daydream about stumbling over a cache of tapes unexpectedly, perhaps through a casual conversation with someone at work. One day, this sort of came true. > > A year ago I was sent off to work for another team on loan. A move- around of desks a couple of weeks after my arrival saw me sit opposite a chap called John, who was about 50. We hadn't really spoken much, apart from dull, work-related matters, until we got on to the subject of John Peel, which was sparked off when I came into work on a dress-down Friday wearing a Wedding Present t-shirt.  He revealed that he used to be a regular listener from the late 70s onwards and even better, he told me that he had some Peel tapes... you can probably imagine my excitement. I asked him if he had any complete shows, or part shows, or just sessions. He explained that he hadn't listened to the tapes for years, but from what he remembered they mostly consisted of compilations of tracks. I asked him if I could borrow them to digitise, offering to provide him with CD versions in return. A couple of days later he eventually brought in a plastic bag containing a total of 18 > tapes. He did warn me that much of the material he'd recorded was just an odd track from here or there, but there were some substantial sections of pure Peel, with plenty of Peel's links captured. I could hardly wait to get them home so I could get to work, listening and cataloguing. > > I suspect that John's (the chap from work) experience was common to many people. He said that he'd start recording a show, and if he liked the sound of a track he'd leave the tape running. If not, he'd stop and rewind and them start recording again. What I found on his tapes bore this out to some extent, but there were some great contiguous sections without too much evidence of a hasty finger on the pause button. > > So now you're probably thinking, "enough of the waffle - where's the goods?". Quite so. I've started with the earliest tape in the collection. This is actually a compilation of 3 chunks of Peel that straddles the sides of a TDK cassette, interspersed with contemporary chart hits and what sounds like the typical output of Radio 2. I don't have a scanner, but when the light's better tomorrow I might take a photo of the tape listing so you can see what a jumble it is. The Peel content may not even be from the same show, but I suspect they're not very far from each other in origin. Unfortunately, I don't have the broadcast date of this show. The contents of the tape didn't give me much to go on. The biggest clue is that Peel plays a New Order session track, "Dreams Never End". Although he doesn't announce it as such, I've checked and it's definitely the Peel session version. According to Ken's book, the debut New Order session from which the track is taken > was broadcast on the following dates: 16.02.81 / 05.03.81 / 16.04.81 / 14.05.81 (and possibly in Dec 81 for the 'best of' yearly roundup). This is definitely not from the first date, as this show has been shared out on here recently. Having looked into the release dates for some of the other tracks on the tape, both Peel and non- Peel, I'm of the opinion that this is either April or May 1981. Perhaps the full shows of these are lurking in the box of 400, so we can confirm this in due course. The sound quality is very good. I suspect it's FM mono. > > Track listing: > Eddie Fontaine - Nothin' Shakin' (But the Leaves on the Trees) > New Order - Dreams Never End (Peel session version) > Black Uhuru - World is Africa > Peel chat introducing Ian & the Muscletones [side A then runs out] > ? - Surfin' > The Notsensibles - The Telephone Rings Again > Gregory Isaacs - Front Door > Magazine - The Great Man's Secret > ? German song > The Fall - No Xmas for John Quays (frag.) > Girls at Our Best - I'm Beautiful Now > Anyway AKA - It's my Party > Gang of Four - To Hell With Poverty > > 31.87 Mb [34:48] > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1SR0OFT9 > > I'll post another download tomorrow, this time from November 1989. > > Dr Mango > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 9 12:21:27 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:21:27 -0000 Subject: Wiki Message-ID: Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply on the Perfumed Garden forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the following as a basic format: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 Cheers, Steve From ken_garner@... Sat Aug 9 13:55:58 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:55:58 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider squeezing in might include a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement value; and whether show exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if session tracks available commercially... track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy) ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply on the Perfumed Garden > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the following as a basic format: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 > > Cheers, > > Steve > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 9 18:06:13 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:06:13 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ken, Thanks for taking time to check it out and reply. Easy enough to include related links (internal or external) as part the comments section at the top, which is intended for people to write introductions (short or long) on the shows. I was thinking if no digital file exists but there is known audio, this can be made clear in file section at the bottom, along the lines of this one): http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/15_January_1993 Thinking links for previous postings can be along the lines of the DVD Torrent set one at the bottom of the link in my last message. Easy enough just to say "Fades In Slowly" "Peel Newsgroup" etc and add the link to the front page or wherever. See your point about the sessions. There is a whole section for session details. I'll put a pointer in there for people to include if any of the tracks have been commercially released. On the file length, I was thinking this might be useful to indicate whether a full or partial version is available. If both, we can just have a double file section. Thinking this might be the case for the last night of Perfumed Garden, where there was the original shared file, then the full five-hour remastered epic, preserving original Peel links with updated releases of the music. (Anyone who wants to sort this out, please feel free.) Have seen other similar "remastered" releases lately. Anyway, following Ken's suggestions, here's the updated tracklistings template: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Show_tracklisting_template One thing I wondered is whether people feel strongly about including the record label and format (eg, single, LP, CD) and even full album names as part of listings for individual songs, as on the BBC site and the Peel Playlist Archive. I don't have strong feelings about this and think it might be more trouble than it's worth for people. Happy to go along with the majority, however. Thanks again, Ken. Best to get this stuff considered at an early stage rather than have regrets later. Happy to have discussions about all this business here or on the Perfumed Garden forum, whichever seems good for people. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider squeezing in might include > a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement value; and whether show > exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if session tracks > available commercially... > > track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy) > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply on the Perfumed Garden > > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the following as a basic format: > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve > > > From r.fewster@... Sat Aug 9 19:48:53 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:48:53 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0808091048g58ccb7a4yc457a4dc24aa9868@...> From andrewianfox33@... Sat Aug 9 20:54:40 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:54:40 -0000 Subject: 40th birthday files, now mp3 joiner wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: excellent thank you, all is safely gathered in, now for an mp3 joiner that is free and isnt a trail offer windows or linux ok, linux prefered... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > This one is still listed in the "Rewound" section of "The Peel Tapes": > > http://www.jonhorne.co.uk/jptapes/jptapesrewound.html > > Hope the links still work. It's one of my favourites as well. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > > > > > tis my favourite program but i could do with a better copy my tape is > > about worn out, with the other 7 songs added on would be nice too!! > > > > would appreciate getting hold of some more progs of 1978 to 1983 ish > > can you point me to good sources... > > > > cheers andrew > > > > BTW i have genuine Laurel and Hardy 12" singles if anyone wants a > > copy uploaded somewhere..... > > > From andrewianfox33@... Sat Aug 9 20:57:05 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:57:05 -0000 Subject: the misunderstood, any sessions available Message-ID: take you to the sun must have been one of the best tracks ever and i suspect Johns favourite really....... cheers andrew i have a coupla albums and a bootleg via bittorrent... From andrewianfox33@... Sat Aug 9 22:40:10 2008 From: andrewianfox33@... (Andrew Fox) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:40:10 -0000 Subject: random thought, was John P a dj at Bickershaw? Message-ID: i remember it was great there, except for the toilets, but i have memory gaps for various reasons, something i ate i think!! andrew the incredibles were incredible but the captain was the best, the band were sooo tight that night............or was it something i ate?? andrew were the Kinks great too.... i have vague memories..... From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Aug 10 05:13:59 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:13:59 -0000 Subject: the misunderstood, any sessions available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andrew Regret to say, according to Ken's book, there aren't, even though Peel managed them and they even lived with his mum for some time. There were a lot of American bands that he wanted to get in for sessions (he cites the Doors and Jefferson Airplane among others) but couldn't, and had to misrepresent Captain Beefheart And His Magic Band as magicians in order to get permission for them to record at all. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Fox" wrote: > > take you to the sun must have been one of the best tracks ever and i > suspect Johns favourite really....... > > cheers andrew > > i have a coupla albums and a bootleg via bittorrent... > From martinw@... Sun Aug 10 05:10:10 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:10:10 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 40th birthday files, now mp3 joiner wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 19:54 09/08/2008, you wrote: >excellent thank you, all is safely gathered in, >now for an mp3 joiner that is free and isnt a trail offer >windows or linux ok, linux prefered... Google MP3Merge It's Windows and quite an old prog but it works I use it all the time martinw From martinw@... Sun Aug 10 05:14:54 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:14:54 +0100 Subject: [peel] the misunderstood, any sessions available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 19:57 09/08/2008, you wrote: >take you to the sun must have been one of the best tracks ever and i >suspect Johns favourite really....... > >cheers andrew > >i have a coupla albums and a bootleg via bittorrent... No sessions as far as I know. Band self-destructed very quickly after arriving on Peel's doorstep martinw From saipanda@... Sun Aug 10 07:53:03 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:53:03 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <6974965b0808091048g58ccb7a4yc457a4dc24aa9868@...> Message-ID: Hi Richard, Many thanks for your message. It struck me going along that a weakness of the Wiki thing is the ability to manipulate information. On the other hand, having the ability to link things up can be really useful. As you mention, it would be great to make use of information that's already in place if it can be easily merged into one handy database. That would be great if you or someone else can get it set up. Maybe the two things can be complementary rather than mutually exclusive. I was working on the theory that if some sort of basic structure in place at the Wiki, then it can gather its own momentum. In the short term, I was thinking that it would be a relatively easy way to get the 400 Box catalogued as it gets digitized. At some point in the next day or two, I'm planning to set up a couple of dedicated pages. Even if those who convert the files to digital don't want to do the full tracklistings and stuff, hopefully others from the list will jump in and fill in additional details. For anyone interested in banging in a show tracklisting at the Wiki, I've put up a basic five step guide on the front page. Hopefully you can't go too far wrong. Don't worry about links or tricky stuff if you're just starting out. Cheers, Steve W From festive50@... Sun Aug 10 09:51:41 2008 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:51:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: <6974965b0808091048g58ccb7a4yc457a4dc24aa9868@...> References: <6974965b0808091048g58ccb7a4yc457a4dc24aa9868@...> Message-ID: <59084.81.140.36.213.1218354701.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@81.140.36.213> Richard It does seem the best (most logical) way to go. I do have a some Word Docs from Ken with basic seesion dates which I've managed to import into my database. If Ken has all the sessions/tracks in a spreadsheet or database would be great to import into my db. I must admit, I'm not a great fan of Wiki. At present, I'm on the sun kissed I.O.W. with laptop, tracklistings, about 40 Peel tapes and of course Ken's book. With a view to doing some more work on this DB. Phil > Hi Steve / fellow Peelites, > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and whilst the Wiki in general > is > a good idea, I wonder whether we would be better off with a customisable, > database backed website to contain all the shows and track listings. My > reasoning is thus: > - Once you get everything in a database, it is far easier to perform > serches and filters on the data. For instance, you could find all > instances > of a particular artist being played, filter by shows that have full MP3s > available and so on. I'm not sure the Wiki would be as powerful in that > regard. Wikis are good for unstructured information, but what we have here > is fairly narrow, tightly structured data. > - I believe Phil Edwards already has a huge number of tracklistings in an > Access database format already, so I'd imagine this is a good place to > expose this and would (hopefully) need limited effort to integrate into > the > site. To type all that into the Wiki would potentially be prohibitive. > - If we could also get hold of a digital format of Ken's list of all > shows > and sessions, we cold enter those into the database and allow > tracklistings, > file links etc to be added to that against each show. > > So what I imagine would work nicely is to create an interactive database > backed website that is protected by user names and passwords. Once > authenticated, a user would be able to enter in all the information Steve > was planning on allowing in the Wiki against a particular show, except in > a > controlled format as determined by what we wanted to have in the database > (e.g. artist, album, label, session. whether a recording exists, etc etc). > The site could then have search / report functionality allowing people to > slice and dice the information in various ways. > > Initially the site would be populated with Ken's exhaustive list of all > shows, and Phil's tracklistings and any others trackilisting that other > people have compiled digitally. Then we can each do as much as we like in > terms of marking the shows that have recordings available and filling in > the > missing tracklistings as much as we can. > > Part of my job is web development and this is the sort of thing I have > knocked up before. All I'd need is some webspace that allows say ASP.NET > and > SQL and I could fashion something basic. That and finding the time! > > Any thoughts? Ken, do you have the appendix of your book with all the > shows > in a spreadsheet format or something like that? Phil, does this fit in > potentially with what you were intending with your tracklistings database? > > Cheers, > > Richard > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, saipanda wrote: > >> Hi Ken, >> >> Thanks for taking time to check it out and reply. >> >> Easy enough to include related links (internal or external) as part the >> comments section at >> the top, which is intended for people to write introductions (short or >> long) on the shows. >> >> I was thinking if no digital file exists but there is known audio, this >> can >> be made clear in >> file section at the bottom, along the lines of this one): >> >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/15_January_1993 >> >> Thinking links for previous postings can be along the lines of the DVD >> Torrent set one at >> the bottom of the link in my last message. Easy enough just to say >> "Fades >> In Slowly" "Peel >> Newsgroup" etc and add the link to the front page or wherever. >> >> See your point about the sessions. There is a whole section for session >> details. I'll put a >> pointer in there for people to include if any of the tracks have been >> commercially released. >> >> On the file length, I was thinking this might be useful to indicate >> whether >> a full or partial >> version is available. If both, we can just have a double file section. >> Thinking this might be >> the case for the last night of Perfumed Garden, where there was the >> original shared file, >> then the full five-hour remastered epic, preserving original Peel links >> with updated >> releases of the music. (Anyone who wants to sort this out, please feel >> free.) Have seen >> other similar "remastered" releases lately. >> >> Anyway, following Ken's suggestions, here's the updated tracklistings >> template: >> >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Show_tracklisting_template >> >> One thing I wondered is whether people feel strongly about including the >> record label and >> format (eg, single, LP, CD) and even full album names as part of >> listings >> for individual >> songs, as on the BBC site and the Peel Playlist Archive. I don't have >> strong feelings about >> this and think it might be more trouble than it's worth for people. >> Happy >> to go along with >> the majority, however. >> >> Thanks again, Ken. Best to get this stuff considered at an early stage >> rather than have >> regrets later. >> >> Happy to have discussions about all this business here or on the >> Perfumed >> Garden forum, >> whichever seems good for people. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve W >> >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "ken garner" >> wrote: >> > >> > seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider squeezing >> in >> might >> include >> > a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement >> value; >> and whether >> show >> > exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if >> session >> tracks >> > available commercially... >> > >> > track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy) >> > >> > ken >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "saipanda" >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply on >> the >> Perfumed >> Garden >> > > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the following >> as >> a basic >> format: >> > > >> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > Steve >> > > >> > >> >> >> > From rockerq@... Sun Aug 10 11:40:22 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:40:22 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: > < round of > contributions is required for post and package.>> > We are covered for the "First Wave" of mailouts - hopefully in the next couple of days - I am working on the principle that when each ripper returns their first batch of cassettes (plus ripped files) I will send on their next one - we will need to ask for more postage around halfway through the "second wave". If postage costs become a problem I could use cheaper methods (eg recorded delivery) but I do agree with whoever said that the Special Delivery is more secure. If any of our rippers are passing through Bristol or Cheltenham then message me offlist and we can arrange a transfer - likewise I will keep the list informed of my movements! (eg Will be at Rough Trade East this Thursday for the Manhattan Love Suicides gig) <> At present no - am just using the broadcast dates as marked - once I have finished listing them will send the ssheet to the list. Quite a few tapes (25 or so) are unmarked so will need their dates id-ing - will send out the known quantities first - although even with those for the most part I am just going by what is written on the tape - quite a few have sections of more than one show - and only a few are C120s so a lot will be part-shows - which will need recording in another field in whatever database we end up using. Cheers! Rocker From ken_garner@... Sun Aug 10 12:28:40 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:28:40 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <59084.81.140.36.213.1218354701.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@81.140.36.213> Message-ID: Phil is right, so is Richard. A relational database in the end makes more sense. Sadly, though, i worked in applications that made sense for producing at speed a book. The shows index, part of which in a rough form I gave to Phil so he could provide a large number of corections, especially regarding the early 90s - now in a 7th updated edition since publication with a few corrections and additions - is and only ever was an MS word document. The Sessionography was originally created for bulk entry as an excel spreadsheet, but so many editorial changes were made later to the word conversion the publishers wanted as source, both by me before publication and subsequently (though not that many more wee corrections have come in this year), that it does not now make sense to go back and update or use it as a primary source the excel, unless someone wanted to read it all the way through, inserting corrections back into excel. And I would not wish that on anyone! ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, festive50@... wrote: > > Richard > It does seem the best (most logical) way to go. > I do have a some Word Docs from Ken with basic seesion dates which I've > managed to import into my database. If Ken has all the sessions/tracks in > a spreadsheet or database would be great to import into my db. > I must admit, I'm not a great fan of Wiki. > At present, I'm on the sun kissed I.O.W. with laptop, tracklistings, about > 40 Peel tapes and of course Ken's book. With a view to doing some more > work on this DB. > > Phil > > > > Hi Steve / fellow Peelites, > > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and whilst the Wiki in general > > is > > a good idea, I wonder whether we would be better off with a customisable, > > database backed website to contain all the shows and track listings. My > > reasoning is thus: > > - Once you get everything in a database, it is far easier to perform > > serches and filters on the data. For instance, you could find all > > instances > > of a particular artist being played, filter by shows that have full MP3s > > available and so on. I'm not sure the Wiki would be as powerful in that > > regard. Wikis are good for unstructured information, but what we have here > > is fairly narrow, tightly structured data. > > - I believe Phil Edwards already has a huge number of tracklistings in an > > Access database format already, so I'd imagine this is a good place to > > expose this and would (hopefully) need limited effort to integrate into > > the > > site. To type all that into the Wiki would potentially be prohibitive. > > - If we could also get hold of a digital format of Ken's list of all > > shows > > and sessions, we cold enter those into the database and allow > > tracklistings, > > file links etc to be added to that against each show. > > > > So what I imagine would work nicely is to create an interactive database > > backed website that is protected by user names and passwords. Once > > authenticated, a user would be able to enter in all the information Steve > > was planning on allowing in the Wiki against a particular show, except in > > a > > controlled format as determined by what we wanted to have in the database > > (e.g. artist, album, label, session. whether a recording exists, etc etc). > > The site could then have search / report functionality allowing people to > > slice and dice the information in various ways. > > > > Initially the site would be populated with Ken's exhaustive list of all > > shows, and Phil's tracklistings and any others trackilisting that other > > people have compiled digitally. Then we can each do as much as we like in > > terms of marking the shows that have recordings available and filling in > > the > > missing tracklistings as much as we can. > > > > Part of my job is web development and this is the sort of thing I have > > knocked up before. All I'd need is some webspace that allows say ASP.NET > > and > > SQL and I could fashion something basic. That and finding the time! > > > > Any thoughts? Ken, do you have the appendix of your book with all the > > shows > > in a spreadsheet format or something like that? Phil, does this fit in > > potentially with what you were intending with your tracklistings database? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, saipanda wrote: > > > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> Thanks for taking time to check it out and reply. > >> > >> Easy enough to include related links (internal or external) as part the > >> comments section at > >> the top, which is intended for people to write introductions (short or > >> long) on the shows. > >> > >> I was thinking if no digital file exists but there is known audio, this > >> can > >> be made clear in > >> file section at the bottom, along the lines of this one): > >> > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/15_January_1993 > >> > >> Thinking links for previous postings can be along the lines of the DVD > >> Torrent set one at > >> the bottom of the link in my last message. Easy enough just to say > >> "Fades > >> In Slowly" "Peel > >> Newsgroup" etc and add the link to the front page or wherever. > >> > >> See your point about the sessions. There is a whole section for session > >> details. I'll put a > >> pointer in there for people to include if any of the tracks have been > >> commercially released. > >> > >> On the file length, I was thinking this might be useful to indicate > >> whether > >> a full or partial > >> version is available. If both, we can just have a double file section. > >> Thinking this might be > >> the case for the last night of Perfumed Garden, where there was the > >> original shared file, > >> then the full five-hour remastered epic, preserving original Peel links > >> with updated > >> releases of the music. (Anyone who wants to sort this out, please feel > >> free.) Have seen > >> other similar "remastered" releases lately. > >> > >> Anyway, following Ken's suggestions, here's the updated tracklistings > >> template: > >> > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Show_tracklisting_template > >> > >> One thing I wondered is whether people feel strongly about including the > >> record label and > >> format (eg, single, LP, CD) and even full album names as part of > >> listings > >> for individual > >> songs, as on the BBC site and the Peel Playlist Archive. I don't have > >> strong feelings about > >> this and think it might be more trouble than it's worth for people. > >> Happy > >> to go along with > >> the majority, however. > >> > >> Thanks again, Ken. Best to get this stuff considered at an early stage > >> rather than have > >> regrets later. > >> > >> Happy to have discussions about all this business here or on the > >> Perfumed > >> Garden forum, > >> whichever seems good for people. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Steve W > >> > >> > >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "ken garner" > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider squeezing > >> in > >> might > >> include > >> > a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement > >> value; > >> and whether > >> show > >> > exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if > >> session > >> tracks > >> > available commercially... > >> > > >> > track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy) > >> > > >> > ken > >> > > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "saipanda" > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply on > >> the > >> Perfumed > >> Garden > >> > > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the following > >> as > >> a basic > >> format: > >> > > > >> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 > >> > > > >> > > Cheers, > >> > > > >> > > Steve > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > From martinw@... Sun Aug 10 18:59:20 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:59:20 +0100 Subject: Laurel & Hardy Message-ID: The Jensen session has been put up and there's been an offer of 12" tracks That leaves just the Peel session http://www.divshare.com/download/5143602-4c6 martinw From willowct@... Sun Aug 10 20:53:58 2008 From: willowct@... (willow) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:53:58 -0000 Subject: OT: STALKYOURSELF.COM Message-ID: Hi Me and my wife are starting a website called stalkyourself.com and we are doing a bit of market research. we have put a quick survey online and it would be great if you have a couple of minutes if you could help us out. the survey can be found here: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=joz9lK2NAAHBY8LNnp9myA_3d_3d So if you have 3 minutes spare, please have a go - it's anonymous! cheers Willow From rockerq@... Sun Aug 10 21:48:52 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:48:52 EDT Subject: [peel] OT: STALKYOURSELF.COM Message-ID: I assume this Spam has nothing to do with Peel. From keith@... Sun Aug 10 22:05:30 2008 From: keith@... (keith hawley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:05:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] OT: STALKYOURSELF.COM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OT = "off topic", so yes. >I assume this Spam has nothing to do with Peel. From jimmystep@... Sun Aug 10 22:48:46 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:48:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] random thought, was John P a dj at Bickershaw? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <298218.48346.qm@...> try this site for festivals; http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bickoffprog.html --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Andrew Fox wrote: > From: Andrew Fox > Subject: [peel] random thought, was John P a dj at Bickershaw? > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 9:40 PM > i remember it was great there, except for the toilets, but i > have > memory gaps for various reasons, something i ate i think!! > > andrew > > the incredibles were incredible but the captain was the > best, the band > were sooo tight that night............or was it something > i ate?? > > andrew > > were the Kinks great too.... i have vague memories..... > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From k.j.beech@... Sun Aug 10 22:49:11 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:49:11 -0000 Subject: OT: STALKYOURSELF.COM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i know what they mean ,every time i look in the mirror some fat bloke who looks like me dad is stalking me. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > I assume this Spam has nothing to do with Peel. > From k.j.beech@... Sun Aug 10 22:56:55 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:56:55 -0000 Subject: Soul icon Isaac Hayes dies at 65 Message-ID: another one gone loved the hot buttered soul album not sure if peel ever played him?? From rockerq@... Sun Aug 10 23:36:01 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:36:01 EDT Subject: [peel] Soul icon Isaac Hayes dies at 65 Message-ID: > <> > Peel certainly played and loved a lot of the Stax records Isaac co-wrote, including "Soul Man" and "Hold On, I'm Coming" by Chaz, sorry, Sam & Dave. As you say a great loss - ironic that he will probably be best remembered as the Chef friom South Park! Rocker From rockerq@... Mon Aug 11 00:29:04 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:29:04 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: OK have spent most of today tapping away logging cassettes - am only a quarter of the way through the pile so I reckon this may take a few more days - at least I am now ready to mail tapes to our team of rippers once the prepaid envelopes arrive, hopefully tomorrow. I have also been ripping myself - Started with the earliest show in the pile - around 1hr 45 of the show - As a temporary measure I have uploaded a FLAC to my iDisk - rather large file at just under 600MB. You should be able to access it here: http://idisk.mac.com/rockerq-Public I have not password protected it & if traffic is not too heavy may upload more as I do them. It works OK in Firefox, but have had reports of probs with Internet Explorer - let us know how you get on! Cheers! Rocker From thebarguest@... Mon Aug 11 01:08:09 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:08:09 -0000 Subject: Soul icon Isaac Hayes dies at 65 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Certainly 1 of the classic album covers of all "time" ! I remember seeing the album cover in the seminal coffee tome, "The NME Book of Rock" circa 1979 - I love the art of album covers ............ Cheers, the Burgermeister See the cover here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Buttered_Soul --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > > <> > > > Peel certainly played and loved a lot of the Stax records Isaac co- wrote, > including "Soul Man" and "Hold On, I'm Coming" by Chaz, sorry, Sam & Dave. > > As you say a great loss - ironic that he will probably be best remembered as > the Chef friom South Park! > > Rocker > From thebarguest@... Mon Aug 11 01:35:17 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:35:17 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > OK have spent most of today tapping away logging cassettes - am only a > quarter of the way through the pile so I reckon this may take a few more days - at Thanks Rocker ! It's downloading now (4 hrs left to completion). By the way, your "nickname" is more suggestive of Thin Lizzy and AC/DC than The Smiths and Wedding P. > least I am now ready to mail tapes to our team of rippers once the prepaid > envelopes arrive, hopefully tomorrow. > > I have also been ripping myself - Started with the earliest show in the pile > - around 1hr 45 of the show - As a temporary measure I have uploaded a FLAC to > my iDisk - rather large file at just under 600MB. > > You should be able to access it here: > > http://idisk.mac.com/rockerq-Public > > I have not password protected it & if traffic is not too heavy may upload > more as I do them. It works OK in Firefox, but have had reports of probs with > Internet Explorer - let us know how you get on! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From billfromnorthwales@... Mon Aug 11 02:59:33 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:59:33 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Rocker, really fast connection from iDisk - took about 20 minutes! Tape quality seems to be a mono recording FM, as was suggested. There are very few frequencies above 8khz which implies a fairly low end cassette recorder. For the capture, the 1st half runs a bit fast, but second half speeds up even faster. This is good in a way, because the length would then be closer to 1h 55m, which makes the show nearly complete Sounds like the tape shedded a lot of oxide on the last bit too, since the sound is badly muffled at the end. As I have found out myself recently, these old tapes need a lot of work to get a good capture! Still, only 399 to go! This is listenable when speed corrected, but mp3 at 192kbs is plenty enough for this quality. Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > OK have spent most of today tapping away logging cassettes - am only a > quarter of the way through the pile so I reckon this may take a few more days - at > least I am now ready to mail tapes to our team of rippers once the prepaid > envelopes arrive, hopefully tomorrow. > > I have also been ripping myself - Started with the earliest show in the pile > - around 1hr 45 of the show - As a temporary measure I have uploaded a FLAC to > my iDisk - rather large file at just under 600MB. > > You should be able to access it here: > > http://idisk.mac.com/rockerq-Public > > I have not password protected it & if traffic is not too heavy may upload > more as I do them. It works OK in Firefox, but have had reports of probs with > Internet Explorer - let us know how you get on! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From markbursa@... Mon Aug 11 03:04:24 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:04:24 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: >>Sounds like the tape shedded a lot of oxide on the last bit too, since the sound is badly muffled at the end.<< If they're shitty non-brand tapes (and it sounds like some of the stuff is recorded over pre-recorded albums) you'll need to clean the heads every 10 minutes or so. It's worth the effort though it's a pain to have to do it on a continuous recording like a Peel show... Mark From saipanda@... Mon Aug 11 10:27:23 2008 From: saipanda@... (Steve Walsh) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tape 1 Message-ID: <554303.33852.qm@...> Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the past couple of days on Wiki related matters. I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you can probably get the hang of it, though. Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts coming out. Thanks again to Rocker! Cheers, Steve __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From robfleay@... Mon Aug 11 14:19:57 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:19:57 +0000 Subject: Kelis Message-ID: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From scooke@... Mon Aug 11 15:10:04 2008 From: scooke@... (Stefan Cooke) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008, markbursa@... wrote: > If they're shitty non-brand tapes (and it sounds like some of the stuff is > recorded over pre-recorded albums) you'll need to clean the heads every 10 > minutes or so. It's worth the effort though it's a pain to have to do it on a > continuous recording like a Peel show... > Another suggestion - adjust the azimuth on your tape deck on playback, if you can. It can make a big difference to the sound. http://www.phish.net/faq/azimuth.html Stefan From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 11 15:22:56 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Kelis In-Reply-To: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <576388.69827.qm@...> Really I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: From: RobF Subject: [peel] Kelis To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 11 15:22:57 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Kelis In-Reply-To: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <854471.96725.qm@...> Really nice I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: From: RobF Subject: [peel] Kelis To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 11 15:22:58 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Kelis In-Reply-To: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <176982.86762.qm@...> Really nice liv I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: From: RobF Subject: [peel] Kelis To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 11 15:22:59 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Kelis In-Reply-To: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <979839.31828.qm@...> Really nice live I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: From: RobF Subject: [peel] Kelis To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 11 15:27:13 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Kelis In-Reply-To: <20080811121958.EQSV19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <957759.827.qm@...> As I was saying before my email decided to send itself - several times by the looks, sorry about that....   Really nice live session, I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - Good Stuff, Caught Out There, Get Along With You & Mafia - be great to hear this again in the full show   ta Rob   --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: From: RobF Subject: [peel] Kelis To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 11 15:48:58 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:48:58 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <554303.33852.qm@...> Message-ID: This is great. Thanks for all the work you're putting in at the Wiki. After setting it up I confess the day job kind of took over. I'm really glad it's progressing into the kind of resource I envisaged it to be. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Steve Walsh wrote: > > Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! > For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD > Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. > Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the past couple of days on Wiki related matters. > I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you can probably get the hang of it, though. > Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts coming out. > Thanks again to Rocker! > Cheers, > Steve > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Aug 11 17:43:01 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:43:01 -0000 Subject: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Message-ID: Fellow Peelites There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting Bob Marley And The Wailers, 'Black Man Redemption' (Tuff Gong) Little Feat, 'Rock'n'Roll Doctor (LP - Feats Don't Fail Me Now)' (Warner Bros) Dickies, 'Paranoid (7")' (A&M) Pirates, 'Johnny B. Goode's Good' (Peel Session) Punishment Of Luxury, 'Puppet Life (7")' (Small Wonder) Magazine, 'Motorcade (LP - Real Life)' (Virgin) Leyton Buzzards, '19 And Mad (EP)' (Small Wonder) Frankie Miller, 'Good Time Love' (Peel Session) Shirts, 'Lonely Android (LP - The Shirts)' Ranking Trevor, 'Masculine Gender (LP - In Fine Style)' (Frontline) Pirates, 'Voodoo' (Peel Session) X-Ray Spex, 'Identity (7")' (Virgin) Buzzcocks, 'Noise Annoys (7")' (UA) La Düsseldorf, 'La Düsseldorf' (Radar) Ranking Spanner, 'Natty Dread She Want' (Heavy Weight) Frankie Miller, 'Stubborn Kinda Fella' (Peel Session) Sham 69, 'If The Kids Are United' (Polydor) Dick Gaughan, 'Such A Parcel O Rogues In A Nation (LP - Gaughan)' (Topic) Pirates, 'Shake Hands With The Devil' (Peel Session) Alternative TV, 'Action Time Vision (LP - The Image Has Cracked)' (Deptford Fun City) Jimi Hendrix Experience, 'Are You Experienced? (LP - Essential Jimi Hendrix)' (Polydor) Brother Trevor And Hugh Brown, 'Skip Away' (Matumbi) Frankie Miller, 'Breakaway' (Peel Session) Talking Heads, 'I'm Not In Love (LP - More Songs About Buildings And Food)' (Sire) Dire Straits, 'In The Gallery (LP - Dire Straits)' (Vertigo) Los Jaivas, unknown track (LP - Canción Del Sur) [Peel states that the band are Argentinian, but they originally came from Chile-SIG] Pirates, 'Long Journey Home' (Peel Session) Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one 'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] P.S. If someone wishes to put this on the Peel Wiki, feel free: I'm limited for time. From so_it_goes_2512@... Mon Aug 11 18:00:20 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:00:20 -0000 Subject: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Message-ID: Fellow Peelites This is probably a repeat posting, but my other topic doesn't appear to be showing up. Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting Bob Marley And The Wailers, 'Black Man Redemption' (Tuff Gong) Little Feat, 'Rock'n'Roll Doctor (LP - Feats Don't Fail Me Now)' (Warner Bros) Dickies, 'Paranoid (7")' (A&M) Pirates, 'Johnny B. Goode's Good' (Peel Session) Punishment Of Luxury, 'Puppet Life (7")' (Small Wonder) Magazine, 'Motorcade (LP - Real Life)' (Virgin) Leyton Buzzards, '19 And Mad (EP)' (Small Wonder) Frankie Miller, 'Good Time Love' (Peel Session) Shirts, 'Lonely Android (LP - The Shirts)' Ranking Trevor, 'Masculine Gender (LP - In Fine Style)' (Frontline) Pirates, 'Voodoo' (Peel Session) X-Ray Spex, 'Identity (7")' (Virgin) Buzzcocks, 'Noise Annoys (7")' (UA) La Düsseldorf, 'La Düsseldorf' (Radar) Ranking Spanner, 'Natty Dread She Want' (Heavy Weight) Frankie Miller, 'Stubborn Kinda Fella' (Peel Session) Sham 69, 'If The Kids Are United' (Polydor) Dick Gaughan, 'Such A Parcel O Rogues In A Nation (LP - Gaughan)' (Topic) Pirates, 'Shake Hands With The Devil' (Peel Session) Alternative TV, 'Action Time Vision (LP - The Image Has Cracked)' (Deptford Fun City) Jimi Hendrix Experience, 'Are You Experienced? (LP - Essential Jimi Hendrix)' (Polydor) Brother Trevor And Hugh Brown, 'Skip Away' (Matumbi) Frankie Miller, 'Breakaway' (Peel Session) Talking Heads, 'I'm Not In Love (LP - More Songs About Buildings And Food)' (Sire) Dire Straits, 'In The Gallery (LP - Dire Straits)' (Vertigo) Los Jaivas, unknown track (LP - Canción Del Sur) [Peel states that the band are Argentinian, but they originally came from Chile-SIG] Pirates, 'Long Journey Home' (Peel Session) Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] From ken_garner@... Mon Aug 11 19:56:28 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:56:28 -0000 Subject: Kelis In-Reply-To: <957759.827.qm@...> Message-ID: haven't got a ***** clue why it was done at Abbey Road, but that's what the sheet says. I'll try and find it and see if we missed the 4th track our end, or maybe it was on the back! This is one to ask Anta Kamath about, I think. It might well have been a 'private tape' session, ie paid for by band or record company as a promo, or something else unusual. I do not recall any others being done at Abbey Road, off the top of my head... ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Robert Ward wrote: > > As I was saying before my email decided to send itself - several times by the looks, sorry about that.... >   > Really nice live session, I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - Good Stuff, Caught Out There, Get Along With You & Mafia - be great to hear this again in the full show >   > ta > Rob >   > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: > > From: RobF > Subject: [peel] Kelis > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM > > > > > > > Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. > > Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From r.fewster@... Mon Aug 11 21:25:17 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:25:17 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <59084.81.140.36.213.1218354701.VFQUQ2xaQUp3Rw==.squirrel@81.140.36.213> Message-ID: <6974965b0808111225p34c0ddc2j969763a234e54e41@...> From r.fewster@... Mon Aug 11 21:31:41 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:31:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6974965b0808111231u71d9ac2dr755adfe7e52aa63@...> From martinw@... Mon Aug 11 21:40:09 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:40:09 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 16:43 11/08/2008, you wrote: >Fellow Peelites > >There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show >from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. > >Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting > > >Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the >fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) >session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one >'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. The Frankie Miller session is missing one track (maybe played in the last couple of minutes you don't have) Also it's not new and old. It's the PIrates 3rd session as well and they went back a lot further than Frankie Miller. martinw From rockerq@... Mon Aug 11 22:21:19 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:21:19 EDT Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Message-ID: Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: Roger Carruthers (South Wales) faggy-fewster (London) Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) Jimmy Step (Glasgow) Dr Mango (Lancashire) Bill From (North Wales) Chachaman (Leicestershire) Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). Cheers! Rocker From ken_garner@... Mon Aug 11 23:17:39 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:17:39 -0000 Subject: Kelis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: search complete of corner of office: I did not have a session sheet for that one! I must have picked up the bare details from jon small's peel sessions site index* (which only lists the 3 tracks) and Anita's diaries: Anita added in as a comment against this one on her version of the 98-02 spreadsheet she annotated for me: "Recorded at Abbey Road Studios as Kelis was only in England for two more days " - so that's that explained! k * http://www.thepeelsessions.co.uk/bands.html not the old vhissue site --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > haven't got a ***** clue why it was done at Abbey Road, but that's what the sheet says. I'll > try and find it and see if we missed the 4th track our end, or maybe it was on the back! > This is one to ask Anta Kamath about, I think. It might well have been a 'private tape' > session, ie paid for by band or record company as a promo, or something else unusual. I > do not recall any others being done at Abbey Road, off the top of my head... > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Robert Ward wrote: > > > > As I was saying before my email decided to send itself - several times by the looks, > sorry about that.... > >   > > Really nice live session, I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited tapes - Good Stuff, > Caught Out There, Get Along With You & Mafia - be great to hear this again in the full > show > >   > > ta > > Rob > >   > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, RobF wrote: > > > > From: RobF > > Subject: [peel] Kelis > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably one for Ken this - but I recently dug out the session that Kelis recorded for > Peel in 2000 with a view to posting it on my blog. I figured I'd posted enough 80's white > boy guitar nonsense! Time for some r'n'b.. > > > > Checking in Ken's book I noticed that it is listed as being recorded at Abbey Road rather > than Maida Vale (and there is a song missing from the session sheet by the looks of it as > they did 4 tracks not 3). Any idea why this one wasn't done in MV? > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia. com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > From martinw@... Mon Aug 11 23:38:29 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:38:29 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Kelis In-Reply-To: References: <957759.827.qm@...> Message-ID: At 18:56 11/08/2008, you wrote: >haven't got a ***** clue why it was done at Abbey Road, but that's >what the sheet says. I'll >try and find it and see if we missed the 4th track our end, or maybe >it was on the back! >This is one to ask Anta Kamath about, I think. It might well have >been a 'private tape' >session, ie paid for by band or record company as a promo, or >something else unusual. I >do not recall any others being done at Abbey Road, off the top of my head... > >ken > >--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Robert >Ward wrote: > > > > As I was saying before my email decided to send itself - several > times by the looks, >sorry about that.... > > > > Really nice live session, I've got 4 tracks from it on my edited > tapes - Good Stuff, >Caught Out There, Get Along With You & Mafia - be great to hear this >again in the full >show > > > > ta > > Rob I remember Peel did address this on air. What we have here is the difference between the old and the new meanings of r'n'b Peel heard a couple of tracks off her album - in particular 'Caught Out There' and thought she was a singer who could sing the old soul songs and that is what he wanted her to do So he booked her for a session. By the time she came over her she had fallen into the clutches of the US entertainments industry. So no time for Maida Vale (too many photoshoots to do) and instead they did new copies of album tracks while she was rehearsing at Abbey Road and sent them to Peel He wasn't amused martinw From alan@... Mon Aug 11 23:42:28 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:42:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! References: Message-ID: <001c01c8fbfb$28a2cc60$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> I started downloading the FLAC this morning - it said it would take 12 hours ! Even the MP3 from Steve Walsh was going to take ages, but I'm trying again now and it's running much faster. Thanks to Rocker and SW, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: rockerq@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: Roger Carruthers (South Wales) faggy-fewster (London) Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) Jimmy Step (Glasgow) Dr Mango (Lancashire) Bill From (North Wales) Chachaman (Leicestershire) Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). Cheers! Rocker No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 From markbursa@... Mon Aug 11 23:44:04 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:04 EDT Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Message-ID: >>Also it's not new and old. It's the PIrates 3rd session as well and they went back a lot further than Frankie Miller.<< True, but they'd got something of a second wind as they'd gatecrashed the pre-punk pub-rock scene. Effectively they were a "new" band playing hard R&B like Dr Feelgood. The background, basically is this: they were a 60s beat combo called Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. Big hits including Shakin' all Over. Kidd was killed in a car crash in 1967, and the band fizzled out. The reformed band started in 1976 as a 3-piece fronted by original guitarist Mick Green, who'd been a top session man in the interim, along with other original members. Mark From ken_garner@... Mon Aug 11 23:45:05 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:45:05 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <6974965b0808111225p34c0ddc2j969763a234e54e41@...> Message-ID: Well to be honest I am in two minds about that. On the one hand I could not have done it without you lot, and giving data out here is hardly going to dent my sales, realistically (or lift them from the rock bottom of a dozen a week they have slumped to). But then it is still out there in the shops for the publisher and I did sign a contract you know... I can't stop anyone who wants to using the shows index to date tapes (that was partly the point of it!) or indeed building organically a database of such shows or tapes, show by show, tape by tape - on you go, happy to help, etc. But is it really snotty of me to have, I confess, a slight reluctance about handing over the full digital file just now? I mean, Geez, the hours I put into the thing over the years... I shall mull this over further, perhaps while counting my royalties, penny by penny (that was a joke) k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Fewster" wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I suspect that even starting from your Word document, there are various > automated data parsing techniques that could split the text up into the > fields required and save a fair bit of time (although I'd need to see it to > be sure). I'd be prepared to take a look at it as long as you don't mind > sending your document. > > As a related point, would you in theory be OK with the concept of data that > forms an important part of your book at some point appearing on the > internet? > > Cheers, > > Richard > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, ken garner wrote: > > > Phil is right, so is Richard. A relational database in the end makes > > more sense. Sadly, > > though, i worked in applications that made sense for producing at speed a > > book. The > > shows index, part of which in a rough form I gave to Phil so he could > > provide a large > > number of corections, especially regarding the early 90s - now in a 7th > > updated edition > > since publication with a few corrections and additions - is and only ever > > was an MS word > > document. The Sessionography was originally created for bulk entry as an > > excel > > spreadsheet, but so many editorial changes were made later to the word > > conversion the > > publishers wanted as source, both by me before publication and subsequently > > (though not > > that many more wee corrections have come in this year), that it does not > > now make sense > > to go back and update or use it as a primary source the excel, unless > > someone wanted to > > read it all the way through, inserting corrections back into excel. And I > > would not wish > > that on anyone! > > > > ken > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , festive50@ wrote: > > > > > > Richard > > > It does seem the best (most logical) way to go. > > > I do have a some Word Docs from Ken with basic seesion dates which I've > > > managed to import into my database. If Ken has all the sessions/tracks in > > > a spreadsheet or database would be great to import into my db. > > > I must admit, I'm not a great fan of Wiki. > > > At present, I'm on the sun kissed I.O.W. with laptop, tracklistings, > > about > > > 40 Peel tapes and of course Ken's book. With a view to doing some more > > > work on this DB. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve / fellow Peelites, > > > > > > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and whilst the Wiki in > > general > > > > is > > > > a good idea, I wonder whether we would be better off with a > > customisable, > > > > database backed website to contain all the shows and track listings. My > > > > reasoning is thus: > > > > - Once you get everything in a database, it is far easier to perform > > > > serches and filters on the data. For instance, you could find all > > > > instances > > > > of a particular artist being played, filter by shows that have full > > MP3s > > > > available and so on. I'm not sure the Wiki would be as powerful in that > > > > regard. Wikis are good for unstructured information, but what we have > > here > > > > is fairly narrow, tightly structured data. > > > > - I believe Phil Edwards already has a huge number of tracklistings in > > an > > > > Access database format already, so I'd imagine this is a good place to > > > > expose this and would (hopefully) need limited effort to integrate into > > > > the > > > > site. To type all that into the Wiki would potentially be prohibitive. > > > > - If we could also get hold of a digital format of Ken's list of all > > > > shows > > > > and sessions, we cold enter those into the database and allow > > > > tracklistings, > > > > file links etc to be added to that against each show. > > > > > > > > So what I imagine would work nicely is to create an interactive > > database > > > > backed website that is protected by user names and passwords. Once > > > > authenticated, a user would be able to enter in all the information > > Steve > > > > was planning on allowing in the Wiki against a particular show, except > > in > > > > a > > > > controlled format as determined by what we wanted to have in the > > database > > > > (e.g. artist, album, label, session. whether a recording exists, etc > > etc). > > > > The site could then have search / report functionality allowing people > > to > > > > slice and dice the information in various ways. > > > > > > > > Initially the site would be populated with Ken's exhaustive list of all > > > > shows, and Phil's tracklistings and any others trackilisting that other > > > > people have compiled digitally. Then we can each do as much as we like > > in > > > > terms of marking the shows that have recordings available and filling > > in > > > > the > > > > missing tracklistings as much as we can. > > > > > > > > Part of my job is web development and this is the sort of thing I have > > > > knocked up before. All I'd need is some webspace that allows say > > ASP.NET > > > > and > > > > SQL and I could fashion something basic. That and finding the time! > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Ken, do you have the appendix of your book with all the > > > > shows > > > > in a spreadsheet format or something like that? Phil, does this fit in > > > > potentially with what you were intending with your tracklistings > > database? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM, saipanda wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Ken, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for taking time to check it out and reply. > > > >> > > > >> Easy enough to include related links (internal or external) as part > > the > > > >> comments section at > > > >> the top, which is intended for people to write introductions (short or > > > >> long) on the shows. > > > >> > > > >> I was thinking if no digital file exists but there is known audio, > > this > > > >> can > > > >> be made clear in > > > >> file section at the bottom, along the lines of this one): > > > >> > > > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/15_January_1993 > > > >> > > > >> Thinking links for previous postings can be along the lines of the DVD > > > >> Torrent set one at > > > >> the bottom of the link in my last message. Easy enough just to say > > > >> "Fades > > > >> In Slowly" "Peel > > > >> Newsgroup" etc and add the link to the front page or wherever. > > > >> > > > >> See your point about the sessions. There is a whole section for > > session > > > >> details. I'll put a > > > >> pointer in there for people to include if any of the tracks have been > > > >> commercially released. > > > >> > > > >> On the file length, I was thinking this might be useful to indicate > > > >> whether > > > >> a full or partial > > > >> version is available. If both, we can just have a double file section. > > > >> Thinking this might be > > > >> the case for the last night of Perfumed Garden, where there was the > > > >> original shared file, > > > >> then the full five-hour remastered epic, preserving original Peel > > links > > > >> with updated > > > >> releases of the music. (Anyone who wants to sort this out, please feel > > > >> free.) Have seen > > > >> other similar "remastered" releases lately. > > > >> > > > >> Anyway, following Ken's suggestions, here's the updated tracklistings > > > >> template: > > > >> > > > >> http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Show_tracklisting_template > > > >> > > > >> One thing I wondered is whether people feel strongly about including > > the > > > >> record label and > > > >> format (eg, single, LP, CD) and even full album names as part of > > > >> listings > > > >> for individual > > > >> songs, as on the BBC site and the Peel Playlist Archive. I don't have > > > >> strong feelings about > > > >> this and think it might be more trouble than it's worth for people. > > > >> Happy > > > >> to go along with > > > >> the majority, however. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks again, Ken. Best to get this stuff considered at an early stage > > > >> rather than have > > > >> regrets later. > > > >> > > > >> Happy to have discussions about all this business here or on the > > > >> Perfumed > > > >> Garden forum, > > > >> whichever seems good for people. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > >> Steve W > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, "ken garner" > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > seems ok to me steve. other data you might want to consider > > squeezing > > > >> in > > > >> might > > > >> include > > > >> > a field for Peel links, where of particular interest or amusement > > > >> value; > > > >> and whether > > > >> show > > > >> > exists in audio somewhere r has been posted somewhere; maybe if > > > >> session > > > >> tracks > > > >> > available commercially... > > > >> > > > > >> > track durations? (not essential unless noteworthy) > > > >> > > > > >> > ken > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, "saipanda" > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Don't want to bore you all to death on the list, so please reply > > on > > > >> the > > > >> Perfumed > > > >> Garden > > > >> > > forum, but just wondered whether people are good with the > > following > > > >> as > > > >> a basic > > > >> format: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/6_August_1967 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Cheers, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Steve > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Aug 12 04:21:32 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:21:32 -0000 Subject: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin Since it's too hot in South Korea to go to bed early, I updated the list that was put on Wiki and made a note of the fact that one track is missing: 'Have You Seen Me Lately, Joan'. As this recording is clearly missing the beginning, I suspect it may have been played just before the Bob Marley track. Moreover, Mark has pointed out that my 'old and new' comment refers to the fact that this version of the Pirates was a reformed band, not the original line-up. However, as you say, their third session too. Duly chastened, I now retire into my shell. Blackadder: 'And maybe Lord Melchett would also like to whip me naked through the streets of Aberdeen'. Melchett: 'Nonsense, Blackadder. Aylesbury's quite far enough'. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 16:43 11/08/2008, you wrote: > > >Fellow Peelites > > > >There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show > >from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. > > > >Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting > > > > > >Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the > >fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) > >session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one > >'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. > > The Frankie Miller session is missing one track (maybe played in the > last couple of minutes > you don't have) > > Also it's not new and old. It's the PIrates 3rd session as well and > they went back > a lot further than Frankie Miller. > > martinw > From r.fewster@... Tue Aug 12 07:56:17 2008 From: r.fewster@... (Richard Fewster) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:56:17 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <6974965b0808111225p34c0ddc2j969763a234e54e41@...> Message-ID: <6974965b0808112256x376d451fgc41c55d969650e3d@...> From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 08:57:33 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:57:33 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for setting it up in the first place! Think there's a good way to go yet! Hopefully, it's just getting started. Thanks also for various contributors to the tracklisting on Wiki. Here's the latest updated version: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/7_July_1978 Have tried to include various comments by people here, including some links for Pirates and Frankie Miler. Hope this is OK. Please feel free to add/edit. That's what it's supposed o be about. Steve TK -- Tokyo boiling as well and similarly impossible to sleep. Doing Wiki stuff is fun and fills in the time, but it can start to take over. On the other hand, if you want to whack in material from Teenage Kicks as the basis of Artist pages, that would be fantastic. And anyone who wants a go, please jump in! Don't worry about mistakes -- they can be corrected. Must get on and do some (non-Wiki) work! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > This is great. > > Thanks for all the work you're putting in at the Wiki. After setting > it up I confess the day job kind of took over. I'm really glad it's > progressing into the kind of resource I envisaged it to be. > From martinw@... Tue Aug 12 09:22:42 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:22:42 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 03:21 12/08/2008, you wrote: >Dear Martin > >Since it's too hot in South Korea to go to bed early, I updated the >list that was put on Wiki and made a note of the fact that one track >is missing: 'Have You Seen Me Lately, Joan'. As this recording is >clearly missing the beginning, I suspect it may have been played just >before the Bob Marley track. Moreover, Mark has pointed out that my >'old and new' comment refers to the fact that this version of the >Pirates was a reformed band, not the original line-up. However, as you >say, their third session too. The mythology of the thing is that punk rock arose to fight the evil forces of Yes and ELO out of nowhere. In fact there was an interim stage - pub rock and Peel had been playing that for awhile. Stiff and Chiswick both started as pub rock labels and only later moved to punk. The Pirates had been part of that. All three members had previously been in Johnny Kidd and The Pirates as has been mentioned although Mick Green wasn't the guitarist who played the solo on the original 'Shakin' All Over' - he joined just after This playlist is kind of a before and after thing and early punk was just one element. A year later bands like Pirates weren't much visible As Ken's book shows it wasn't just a matter of playing whatever Walters and Peel fancied - there were more conservative elements within the BBC who didn't want it played and there was a battle going on martinw From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Tue Aug 12 13:06:09 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:06:09 -0000 Subject: Show request Message-ID: Many moons ago I was in a band (Cab Williamsons Waxworks) and we had the good fortune to have our record played on John's show. Rather unfortunately it was a show that none of us ever heard. We only found out about it thanks to the wonders of teletext! If anybody out there has a copy of the show dated Thursday 20 November 1997 and would be willing to upload it I would be eternally grateful (and if you so desired I could send you a copy of the 7"...we've still got boxes of them!) Thanks Stephen From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 13:34:06 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:06 -0000 Subject: Show request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Think seems to be one of the shows that are part of the collection of AndrewT, who is "of this parish" and looking for help ripping his tape collection. Please see here: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/The_Andrew_T_90s_tapes Maybe you could work something out (and hopefully share the results here). Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > Many moons ago I was in a band (Cab Williamsons Waxworks) and we had > the good fortune to have our record played on John's show. Rather > unfortunately it was a show that none of us ever heard. We only found > out about it thanks to the wonders of teletext! If anybody out there > has a copy of the show dated Thursday 20 November 1997 and would be > willing to upload it I would be eternally grateful (and if you so > desired I could send you a copy of the 7"...we've still got boxes of > them!) > Thanks > Stephen > From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 14:08:49 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:08:49 -0000 Subject: Show request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, just to clarify, Andrew is looking for help with online distribution and/or hosting of files as he digitizes his collection. Details on wiki link below. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Think seems to be one of the shows that are part of the collection of AndrewT, who is "of > this parish" and looking for help ripping his tape collection. Please see here: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/The_Andrew_T_90s_tapes > > Maybe you could work something out (and hopefully share the results here). > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" > wrote: > > > > Many moons ago I was in a band (Cab Williamsons Waxworks) and we had > > the good fortune to have our record played on John's show. Rather > > unfortunately it was a show that none of us ever heard. We only found > > out about it thanks to the wonders of teletext! If anybody out there > > has a copy of the show dated Thursday 20 November 1997 and would be > > willing to upload it I would be eternally grateful (and if you so > > desired I could send you a copy of the 7"...we've still got boxes of > > them!) > > Thanks > > Stephen > > > From dr_mango2004@... Tue Aug 12 14:52:17 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <494047.31947.qm@...> Just been having a look at the Wiki. Interesting content so far, could build into a very handy reference site. One thing I'd personally like to see is the full contents listing of the 17 DVDs that were released last year. A start's been made: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17-DVD_Torrent_Compilation Mango Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Aug 12 15:00:03 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:00:03 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <494047.31947.qm@...> Message-ID: Dear Doctor I've been having problems with my lumbago...no, seriously, this is a vey good idea. We could also include a list of all the misdates from what is otherwise a very fine collection, e.g. the non-existence of a 31 January 2003 show: this is actually a low-fi copy of the previous night's programme....there was no show on that date! Also, the inclusions of session tracks by Radiohead (never did one, as Ken states) and Soft Cell (they did sessions for Richard Skinner and David Jensen, but never Peel) could be amended in this way. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dr Mango wrote: > > Just been having a look at the Wiki. Interesting content so far, could build into a very handy reference site. > > One thing I'd personally like to see is the full contents listing of the 17 DVDs that were released last year. A start's been made: > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17-DVD_Torrent_Compilation > > > Mango > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From robfleay@... Tue Aug 12 15:09:00 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:09:00 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki Message-ID: <20080812130900.OQSL5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> We could also try and include the source where known - there are several folders in the 17 DVD collection that I know for a fact came from my Soulseek folder and were my original rips from tape. > this is a > vey good idea. We could also include a list of all the misdates from > what is otherwise a very fine collection, e.g. the non-existence of a > 31 January 2003 show: this is actually a low-fi copy of the previous > night's programme....there was no show on that date! Also, the > inclusions of session tracks by Radiohead (never did one, as Ken > states) and Soft Cell (they did sessions for Richard Skinner and David > Jensen, but never Peel) could be amended in this way. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dr Mango wrote: > > > > Just been having a look at the Wiki. Interesting content so far, > could build into a very handy reference site. > > > > One thing I'd personally like to see is the full contents listing of > the 17 DVDs that were released last year. A start's been made: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17-DVD_Torrent_Compilation > > > > > > Mango > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From david.groves@... Tue Aug 12 15:55:43 2008 From: david.groves@... (david.groves@...) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:55:43 +0200 Subject: Reply: Mixing Bowl Message-ID: Found whilst looking for something else... lots of Peel Sessions and other JP related broadcasts - in its own section - at http://themixingbowl.org/ David From ken_garner@... Tue Aug 12 19:19:14 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:19:14 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <20080812130900.OQSL5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: and the wiki still has the details of what is claimed to be the 30/12/77 show, which was actually the 28/12/77 edition. Sorry to be pedantic.... k PS. re Martin's point about the continuation of mainstream stuff in the late 70s: I think it was less that Walters and Peel were coerced, more that they wanted for a time to avoid accusations internally of being narrow minded, by continuing to mix in the old names (Lone Star in best sessions of 77, anyone?). Remember, from 75-78 Peel was the only late night FM show / slot on R1 at all, obligated in theory to cover the whole area. However, from my recent listening to some of those shared 79 shows, and my research, my gut feeling is the tipping point, the moment of 'no turning back' may have effectively come with the loss of the Friday show to the new Friday Rock Show in november 78. Thereafter, I think, it was far less common to find old retainers, apart from Peels personal heroes, reaappearing much on the show. Walters could argue Tommy was now covering that on Fridays... but Peel always continued to like and play Floyd (until the split), Dave Gilmour's solo stuff, Roger and Michael Chapman, Bill Nelson, etc etc. But Peel later declared regret that for a time the show had become the prisoner of its audience, and played too much post punk, indie, etc and, saving reggae, a lesser variety, in the early 80s. I think he was right; the shows of the late 80s are much more diverse than those of 81-83, from what I have heard. But that's just me... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > We could also try and include the source where known - there are several folders in the 17 DVD collection that I know for a fact came from my Soulseek folder and were my original rips from tape. > > > this is a > > vey good idea. We could also include a list of all the misdates from > > what is otherwise a very fine collection, e.g. the non-existence of a > > 31 January 2003 show: this is actually a low-fi copy of the previous > > night's programme....there was no show on that date! Also, the > > inclusions of session tracks by Radiohead (never did one, as Ken > > states) and Soft Cell (they did sessions for Richard Skinner and David > > Jensen, but never Peel) could be amended in this way. > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dr Mango wrote: > > > > > > Just been having a look at the Wiki. Interesting content so far, > > could build into a very handy reference site. > > > > > > One thing I'd personally like to see is the full contents listing of > > the 17 DVDs that were released last year. A start's been made: > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17-DVD_Torrent_Compilation > > > > > > > > > Mango > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From so_it_goes_2512@... Tue Aug 12 19:34:43 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:34:43 -0000 Subject: Reply: Mixing Bowl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You have to register, and a lot of the links are to torrents that are dead. Thanks anyway, David. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "david.groves@..." wrote: > > Found whilst looking for something else... lots of Peel Sessions and other JP related broadcasts - in its own section - at http://themixingbowl.org/ > > David > From alan@... Tue Aug 12 20:24:28 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:24:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] Tape 1 References: <554303.33852.qm@...> Message-ID: <001a01c8fca8$a907b8e0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Has anyone else noticed that this show (7/7/78) seems to run a bit fast? I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 hour it seems to speed up again. Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. >From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a further 2.5% I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better to my cloth ears. Presumably the original show was two hours. The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from the beginning of the show. The final pips come at 1:44 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins missing. Surely it's not running that fast!? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Walsh To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [peel] Tape 1 Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the past couple of days on Wiki related matters. I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you can probably get the hang of it, though. Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts coming out. Thanks again to Rocker! Cheers, Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 20:36:22 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:36:22 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <001a01c8fca8$a907b8e0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Yeah, I wasn't too sure how this all worked. How does the slowing down the file down by 2.5 percent and then a further 2.5 percent from 1.03.44 affect the timing of where the pips come in? I could probably work this out, but just off to bed. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that this show (7/7/78) seems to run a bit fast? > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 hour it seems to speed up again. > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a further 2.5% > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better to my cloth ears. > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from the beginning of the show. > The final pips come at 1:44 > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins missing. > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > Alan > From rockerq@... Tue Aug 12 20:46:54 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:46:54 EDT Subject: [peel] Tape 1 Message-ID: Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. Cheers! Rocker > < I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > hour it seems to speed up again.  > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > further 2.5% > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > to my cloth ears. >   > Presumably the original show was two hours. > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > the beginning of the show. > The final pips come at 1:44 > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > missing. > Surely it's not running that fast!? >   > Alan>> From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 20:56:34 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:56:34 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ken, Fixed the date of the 1977 Best Sessions show, referencing the authority of your book. Also have links for empty pages for both you and the book -- if you fancy putting something up there! Free advertising? Think the original material for the 1977 Best Sessions show may have been written before you clarified it here originally. At some point I'll check what's been put up already for similar mistakes and try and get everything on a standard format along the lines of 7 July 1977. Actually, think there was at least one other date I already corrected among the early shows on the DeeDee's 17 DVD set by using your book as reference. Need to think how to do these and get them in one place as well. Maybe someone suggested this already. Many things to think about on this Wiki business. Thanks again for various comments. Time for bed right now, I think. Cheers, Steve W From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 21:23:03 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:23:03 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rocker, What I was thinking for this problem is we can easily keep the idea of numbering the tapes, but with the date indexing that's there we can have more than one date per tape. Eg, Tape 1 is currently on the Wiki main 400 Box page with only a link for 7 July 1978 -- linking through to the date index for that date. Let's imagine the show you are currently doing is 10 July 1978. Therefore we add a date entry on under the Tape 1 entry for 10 July 1978. Then for the Tape 2 entry, we also put a date entry for 10 July 1978. Then on the Tape 3 entry, say, we also have a date link for 10 July 1978. On the individual date entry for 10 July we would have a combined tracklisting (wondering if "playlist" a better word) for the show, with links for Tape 1, Tape 2, Tape 3, with individual file names given (indicating the show is in four parts) and which file is on which tape. Eg. peel_19780710-1.flac peel_19780710-2.flac peel_19780710-3.flac peel_19780710-4.flac Does this seem to work? If you put the files up, I'll try and give the indexing a quick go tomorrow before I go to work to demonstrate (hopefully!) Many thanks again, Rocker, for all your work on this. Can't wait to hear the next show! Now, though, I really am going to bed. Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a > varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, > the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if > he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes > if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! > > The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even > faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the > sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running > slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono > cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or > two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries > were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur > gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > > hour it seems to speed up again.  > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > > further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > > to my cloth ears. > >   > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > > the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > > missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > >   > > Alan>> > From saipanda@... Tue Aug 12 21:34:42 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:34:42 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I seem to have misread your original message. In my previous answer I was thinking the next show was on part of tape 1, two parts on tape 2 and one part on tape 3. Don't know where I got that from. Must be the exhaustion! Anyway, if I have got it right now, think the solution for the first show is to add appropriate links, comments, info on the Tape 2 page, the 7 July 1978 page, and the 400 Box main page. Will do this when I get up. Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a > varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, > the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if > he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes > if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! > > The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even > faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the > sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running > slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono > cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or > two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries > were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur > gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > > hour it seems to speed up again.  > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > > further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > > to my cloth ears. > >   > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > > the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > > missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > >   > > Alan>> > From k.j.beech@... Tue Aug 12 21:38:38 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:38:38 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i know people want spot on copies,but come on guys i.ve just heard 2 tracks i've loved .thats the whole point isn't it??? buy the way if the removal of the dire straits tracks helps i'm all for it... kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a > varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, > the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if > he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes > if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! > > The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even > faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the > sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running > slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono > cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or > two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries > were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur > gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > > hour it seems to speed up again.  > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > > further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > > to my cloth ears. > >   > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > > the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > > missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > >   > > Alan>> > From david.groves@... Tue Aug 12 21:52:08 2008 From: david.groves@... (David Groves) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:52:08 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01c8fcb4$e995ca80$bcc15f80$@groves@...> About 20 of these tracks can be found on SoulSeek and presumably most of the other 10 either there or elsewhere (not necessarily the session versions IYSWIM). I never even bothered looking for the Dire Straits track... Cheers David From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bty455834 Sent: martedì 12 agosto 2008 21.39 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 i know people want spot on copies,but come on guys i.ve just heard 2 tracks i've loved .thats the whole point isn't it??? buy the way if the removal of the dire straits tracks helps i'm all for it... kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a > varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, > the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if > he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes > if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! > > The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even > faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the > sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running > slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono > cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or > two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries > were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur > gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > > hour it seems to speed up again. > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > > further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > > to my cloth ears. > > > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > > the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > > missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > > > Alan>> > From rockerq@... Tue Aug 12 21:58:58 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:58:58 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 Message-ID: > < it..>> > I think we have to take the rough with the smooth! It did strike me that our taper did seem to wait until the track finished before he started recording again. I actually quite liked that first LP - certainly the only one I remember Peelie playing tracks from - in October 1978 I moved to Bristol and remember seeing them play to a half empty Poly bar - cost 75p to get in. At that time they kind of fitted in with the pub rock stuff Peel had been playing - quite down to earth and unpretentious - didn't take them long to become an overblown stadium band, though. I thought the Pirates and Frankie Miller stuff sounded far more dated. Cheers! Rocker From alan@... Tue Aug 12 22:27:06 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:27:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 References: Message-ID: <004301c8fcb9$ca357730$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> >> thats the whole point isn't it??? Yes, but it does get a bit comical if John starts sounding like Pinky or Perky. I too was surprised by the DS track, but I am a fan of their first album. Saw them, too, supporting Talking Heads; thought they were pretty good. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: bty455834 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 i know people want spot on copies,but come on guys i.ve just heard 2 tracks i've loved .thats the whole point isn't it??? buy the way if the removal of the dire straits tracks helps i'm all for it... kev --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! - there are therefore three places where a > varying amount of time has been lost - eg The middle of the Dick Gaughan track, > the end of the Dire Straits track - the gap could be as short as 5 seconds if > he was "watching the reel as it comes to a close" - or could be a few minutes > if he didn't like the track playing, or more if he'd gone to the pub! > > The first tape definitely sounds fast, but as you say the second tape is even > faster - Either he has 2 machines (unlikely as he then would have allowed the > sections to overlap) - or the second tape was unevenly wound and thus running > slower - which reinforces our theory that he was using one of those crap mono > cassette decks that we all got for Christmas in the mid-70s - after a year or > two the motors would start to wear out. Also posssible that the batteries > were running out - although in that case you'd expect the speeding up to occur > gradually throughout the show, rather than one tape faster than the other. > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 > > hour it seems to speed up again. > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a > > further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better > > to my cloth ears. > > > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from > > the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins > > missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > > > Alan>> > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1605 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 16:59 From martinw@... Tue Aug 12 23:01:58 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:01:58 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <004301c8fcb9$ca357730$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> References: <004301c8fcb9$ca357730$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: At 21:27 12/08/2008, you wrote: > >> thats the whole point isn't it??? > >Yes, but it does get a bit comical if John starts sounding like Pinky or >Perky. > >I too was surprised by the DS track, but I am a fan of their first album. >Saw them, too, supporting Talking Heads; thought they were pretty good. > >Alan Dire Straits were discovered on the same Radio London Charlie Gillette show as Elvis Costello and Graham Parker. Like many another they did not start as m-o-r superstars and Peel was quite happy to play tracks from the first album. They quickly went mainstream after that but like many other bands they went through Peel on the way there martinw From dr_mango2004@... Wed Aug 13 03:50:21 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:50:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: <494047.31947.qm@...> Message-ID: <819725.50242.qm@...> Speaking (as I was) of the 17 DVDs torrent, looking at the track listing of DVD #9: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Peel_Torrent_Compilation_9_of_17_%281994-2001%29 It would appear that my own personal collection is lacking the following: 1994 John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 1.mp3 John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 2.mp3 1995 1. John Peel Show 13-05-95.mp3 2000 John Peel 2000-12-06.mp3John_Peel_20001207.mp3 I have the rest of the contents of that disc. If anyone could upload these somewhere for download, I'd be very grateful. Dr M. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From markbursa@... Wed Aug 13 04:00:28 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:00:28 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki Message-ID: Ken, but Peel always continued to like and play Floyd (until the split), Dave Gilmour's solo stuff, Roger and Michael Chapman, Bill Nelson, etc etc. << though he discarded them pretty quickly when the quality of the output dipped. He stuck with Bill Nelson because he still made good records. PF got dropped aroudnd the time of Animals . >>But Peel later declared regret that for a time the show had become the prisoner of its audience, and played too much post punk, indie, etc and, saving reggae, a lesser variety, in the early 80s. I think he was right; the shows of the late 80s are much more diverse than those of 81-83, from what I have heard. But that's just me...<< But in 78-83 (my prime Peel years) he was deluged with indie releases - because such things didn't exist before. And these tended to be punk/post-punk. By the late '80s you had equally independent electro/dance stuff, so there was a wider choice of new stuff that existed outside the mainstream. But then again, listening to early '80s shows, I'm struck by the amount of folk/blues/bluegrass etc that got played - not new records, just some vareiety between the punk/post-punk and reggae. There seemed to be less of that in later years, though by then I wasn't tuning in so regularly. Mark From saipanda@... Wed Aug 13 05:51:46 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:51:46 -0000 Subject: Wiki In-Reply-To: <819725.50242.qm@...> Message-ID: Just a general point -- if you're set up for torrents, you should be able to indicate you want to download a limited number of the files it contains (as opposed to all of them). On my software, you load the torrent and it asks you if you want to download all the files. These are all listed. Just untick the ones you don't want. Guess this might work slightly differently depending on the software. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@...m, Dr Mango wrote: > > Speaking (as I was) of the 17 DVDs torrent, looking at the track listing of DVD #9: > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Peel_Torrent_Compilation_9_of_17_%281994- 2001%29 > > It would appear that my own personal collection is lacking the following: > > 1994 > John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 1.mp3 > John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 2.mp3 > > > 1995 > 1. John Peel Show 13-05-95.mp3 > > > 2000 > John Peel 2000-12-06.mp3John_Peel_20001207.mp3 > > I have the rest of the contents of that disc. If anyone could upload these somewhere for download, I'd be very grateful. > > Dr M. > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From saipanda@... Wed Aug 13 06:30:14 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:30:14 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rocker, Have tried to make the adjustments on the Wiki pages mentioned yesterday. If you have a moment please check out the following and links for 7 July 1987, Tape 1 and Tape 2: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box Hope this seems clear. Also, that I've got the information straight! Could also include a section on this page for tapes that have been sent out (with dates if known) and are currently being ripped. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > Here lies the problem with numbering the tapes - this show is actually spread > over "tape1" and most of "tape 2" - so the audio is in 4 sections. I am > pleased you did not notice my edits! From vinpinman@... Wed Aug 13 09:54:40 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:54:40 -0000 Subject: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always felt that Peel himself fell for the hype that he abandoned everything he had previously played when punk arrived - I'm sure he'd get a bit of a shock were he around to listen to some of these tapes. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Martin > > Since it's too hot in South Korea to go to bed early, I updated the > list that was put on Wiki and made a note of the fact that one track > is missing: 'Have You Seen Me Lately, Joan'. As this recording is > clearly missing the beginning, I suspect it may have been played just > before the Bob Marley track. Moreover, Mark has pointed out that my > 'old and new' comment refers to the fact that this version of the > Pirates was a reformed band, not the original line-up. However, as you > say, their third session too. Duly chastened, I now retire into my shell. > Blackadder: 'And maybe Lord Melchett would also like to whip me naked > through the streets of Aberdeen'. > Melchett: 'Nonsense, Blackadder. Aylesbury's quite far enough'. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > > At 16:43 11/08/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Fellow Peelites > > > > > >There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show > > >from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. > > > > > >Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting > > > > > > > > >Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the > > >fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) > > >session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one > > >'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. > > > > The Frankie Miller session is missing one track (maybe played in the > > last couple of minutes > > you don't have) > > > > Also it's not new and old. It's the PIrates 3rd session as well and > > they went back > > a lot further than Frankie Miller. > > > > martinw > > > From vinpinman@... Wed Aug 13 10:56:40 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:56:40 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 (personal comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What Peel meant for the world of music and to those of us who are part of this newgroup is clear enough and I feel that it's only right that personal reflections and comments should be a part of the Wiki documentation process. Tell me if you agree? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Many thanks for setting it up in the first place! Think there's a good way to go yet! > Hopefully, it's just getting started. > > Thanks also for various contributors to the tracklisting on Wiki. Here's the latest updated > version: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/7_July_1978 > > Have tried to include various comments by people here, including some links for Pirates > and Frankie Miler. Hope this is OK. Please feel free to add/edit. That's what it's supposed o > be about. > > Steve TK -- Tokyo boiling as well and similarly impossible to sleep. Doing Wiki stuff is fun > and fills in the time, but it can start to take over. On the other hand, if you want to whack > in material from Teenage Kicks as the basis of Artist pages, that would be fantastic. > > And anyone who wants a go, please jump in! Don't worry about mistakes -- they can be > corrected. > > Must get on and do some (non-Wiki) work! > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > This is great. > > > > Thanks for all the work you're putting in at the Wiki. After setting > > it up I confess the day job kind of took over. I'm really glad it's > > progressing into the kind of resource I envisaged it to be. > > > From alan@... Wed Aug 13 11:10:16 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:10:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting References: Message-ID: <002501c8fd24$68bff640$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> FYI Found a tracklisting of the Los Jaivas album here http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5242 The track John plays runs for 5 mins, so is probably 2. En La Cumbre De Un Cerro (5:06) Cheers Alan PS Amazon shows a different tracklisting, without timings PPS Yes, I am off work at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Fellow Peelites There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting Bob Marley And The Wailers, 'Black Man Redemption' (Tuff Gong) Little Feat, 'Rock'n'Roll Doctor (LP - Feats Don't Fail Me Now)' (Warner Bros) Dickies, 'Paranoid (7")' (A&M) Pirates, 'Johnny B. Goode's Good' (Peel Session) Punishment Of Luxury, 'Puppet Life (7")' (Small Wonder) Magazine, 'Motorcade (LP - Real Life)' (Virgin) Leyton Buzzards, '19 And Mad (EP)' (Small Wonder) Frankie Miller, 'Good Time Love' (Peel Session) Shirts, 'Lonely Android (LP - The Shirts)' Ranking Trevor, 'Masculine Gender (LP - In Fine Style)' (Frontline) Pirates, 'Voodoo' (Peel Session) X-Ray Spex, 'Identity (7")' (Virgin) Buzzcocks, 'Noise Annoys (7")' (UA) La Düsseldorf, 'La Düsseldorf' (Radar) Ranking Spanner, 'Natty Dread She Want' (Heavy Weight) Frankie Miller, 'Stubborn Kinda Fella' (Peel Session) Sham 69, 'If The Kids Are United' (Polydor) Dick Gaughan, 'Such A Parcel O Rogues In A Nation (LP - Gaughan)' (Topic) Pirates, 'Shake Hands With The Devil' (Peel Session) Alternative TV, 'Action Time Vision (LP - The Image Has Cracked)' (Deptford Fun City) Jimi Hendrix Experience, 'Are You Experienced? (LP - Essential Jimi Hendrix)' (Polydor) Brother Trevor And Hugh Brown, 'Skip Away' (Matumbi) Frankie Miller, 'Breakaway' (Peel Session) Talking Heads, 'I'm Not In Love (LP - More Songs About Buildings And Food)' (Sire) Dire Straits, 'In The Gallery (LP - Dire Straits)' (Vertigo) Los Jaivas, unknown track (LP - Canción Del Sur) [Peel states that the band are Argentinian, but they originally came from Chile-SIG] Pirates, 'Long Journey Home' (Peel Session) Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one 'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] P.S. If someone wishes to put this on the Peel Wiki, feel free: I'm limited for time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 From alan@... Wed Aug 13 11:18:02 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:18:02 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting References: <002501c8fd24$68bff640$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: <002d01c8fd25$7d6d6e00$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Just found it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFPAzMNmyCs It's definitely En La Cumbre De Un Cerro Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting FYI Found a tracklisting of the Los Jaivas album here http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5242 The track John plays runs for 5 mins, so is probably 2. En La Cumbre De Un Cerro (5:06) Cheers Alan PS Amazon shows a different tracklisting, without timings PPS Yes, I am off work at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Fellow Peelites There follows a tracklisting of the recently uploaded first show from the collection I christened 'The 400 Box'. Peel Show Friday 7 July 1978: tracklisting Bob Marley And The Wailers, 'Black Man Redemption' (Tuff Gong) Little Feat, 'Rock'n'Roll Doctor (LP - Feats Don't Fail Me Now)' (Warner Bros) Dickies, 'Paranoid (7")' (A&M) Pirates, 'Johnny B. Goode's Good' (Peel Session) Punishment Of Luxury, 'Puppet Life (7")' (Small Wonder) Magazine, 'Motorcade (LP - Real Life)' (Virgin) Leyton Buzzards, '19 And Mad (EP)' (Small Wonder) Frankie Miller, 'Good Time Love' (Peel Session) Shirts, 'Lonely Android (LP - The Shirts)' Ranking Trevor, 'Masculine Gender (LP - In Fine Style)' (Frontline) Pirates, 'Voodoo' (Peel Session) X-Ray Spex, 'Identity (7")' (Virgin) Buzzcocks, 'Noise Annoys (7")' (UA) La Düsseldorf, 'La Düsseldorf' (Radar) Ranking Spanner, 'Natty Dread She Want' (Heavy Weight) Frankie Miller, 'Stubborn Kinda Fella' (Peel Session) Sham 69, 'If The Kids Are United' (Polydor) Dick Gaughan, 'Such A Parcel O Rogues In A Nation (LP - Gaughan)' (Topic) Pirates, 'Shake Hands With The Devil' (Peel Session) Alternative TV, 'Action Time Vision (LP - The Image Has Cracked)' (Deptford Fun City) Jimi Hendrix Experience, 'Are You Experienced? (LP - Essential Jimi Hendrix)' (Polydor) Brother Trevor And Hugh Brown, 'Skip Away' (Matumbi) Frankie Miller, 'Breakaway' (Peel Session) Talking Heads, 'I'm Not In Love (LP - More Songs About Buildings And Food)' (Sire) Dire Straits, 'In The Gallery (LP - Dire Straits)' (Vertigo) Los Jaivas, unknown track (LP - Canción Del Sur) [Peel states that the band are Argentinian, but they originally came from Chile-SIG] Pirates, 'Long Journey Home' (Peel Session) Points of interest: JP still playing Hendrix and Litle Feat, and the fact that Frankie Miller was doing his fourth (but not final) session bears out Walters' assertion that they continued to book one 'old' act and one new one for some time after the dawn of punk. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] P.S. If someone wishes to put this on the Peel Wiki, feel free: I'm limited for time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1608 - Release Date: 12/08/2008 16:59 From david.groves@... Wed Aug 13 11:38:26 2008 From: david.groves@... (david.groves@...) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:38:26 +0200 Subject: Reply: RE: Re: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Message-ID: The Los Jaivas album is definitely on SoulSeek. I've found all but half-a-dozen of the Tape 1 tracks there so far... and yes, I agree with earlier comments and even looked for the Dire Straights track in the end! David -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Alan Ford" Subject: Re: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:18:02 +0100 Size: 19544 URL: From saipanda@... Wed Aug 13 19:00:19 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:00:19 -0000 Subject: 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting In-Reply-To: <002d01c8fd25$7d6d6e00$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Hi Alan, Well done for spending your holidays so usefully! Have adjusted the Wiki tracklisting and in process of adding a couple of links on there. Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > Just found it on youtube: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFPAzMNmyCs > > It's definitely En La Cumbre De Un Cerro > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Ford > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [peel] 1978-07-07 Show tracklisting > > > > FYI > > Found a tracklisting of the Los Jaivas album here > > http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5242 > > The track John plays runs for 5 mins, so is probably > > 2. En La Cumbre De Un Cerro (5:06) > > Cheers > > Alan > > PS Amazon shows a different tracklisting, without timings > PPS Yes, I am off work at the moment. > From saipanda@... Wed Aug 13 21:40:29 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:40:29 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 (personal comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Absolutely! Was wondering what the best way of doing this would be. I was thinking of having purely factual info (eg, tracklistings) at the top of date pages and then maybe having comments, links to blogs, etc below that. On the date index pages, though, there is a definite need to have some sort of intro to the show itself. Obviously, there is a always a discussion tab at the top right of every page as well. That could be used, but it's kind of hidden away from the main part of the page. Anyway, don't see any real point to replicating Wilkapedia, although sometimes this might be a decent start point -- eg, there's an A-Z list of Peel sessions artists, doubtless wrong in many places, that could be adapted for our purposes, with date links (for show tracklisings, and artist entries. Could give a basis to work from that would be relatively quick to set up. Doubtless Ken's book would quickly reveal many errors! Anyway, have been thinking I've been cluttering up the list a lot lately with Wilki talk. Sorry about that. I originally suggested the Perfumed Garden forum as a possible alternative for discussions on the Wiki, but feel a bit guilty about cluttering that up as well as here with multiple threats, and thinking now it would make sense to move such things over to the Wilki itself. With that in mind have activated a couple of forums over there.These can be accessed from the front page or the standard Community thing on the left of every page. One is for discussions on specific issues regarding the Wiki itself -- eg, how things could be improved, all suggestions welcome. The other (the grandly named "John Peel Forum") is for all JP-related music chit-chat. It's slightly clunky, but could be OK if people feel like using it. Just listening to 07-07-78 for about the tenth time. Brilliant stuff! Cheers, Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > What Peel meant for the world of music and to those of us who are > part of this newgroup is clear enough and I feel that it's only right > that personal reflections and comments should be a part of the Wiki > documentation process. > > Tell me if you agree? > From wewalkforonereason@... Wed Aug 13 22:52:14 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:52:14 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 (personal comments) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/8/13 saipanda : > Absolutely! Was wondering what the best way of doing this would be. I was thinking of > having purely factual info (eg, tracklistings) at the top of date pages and then maybe > having comments, links to blogs, etc below that. On the date index pages, though, there is > a definite need to have some sort of intro to the show itself. > > Obviously, there is a always a discussion tab at the top right of every page as well. That > could be used, but it's kind of hidden away from the main part of the page. In most wikis, the talk / discussion page is for discussion relating to the accuracy and form of the main article page. ie the talk page is used to discuss the quality and direction of the article, not to extend it. > Anyway, have been thinking I've been cluttering up the list a lot lately with Wilki talk. Sorry > about that. I originally suggested the Perfumed Garden forum as a possible alternative for > discussions on the Wiki, but feel a bit guilty about cluttering that up as well as here with > multiple threats, and thinking now it would make sense to move such things over to the > Wilki itself. As above - wiki talk pages are the place to thrash out the details of form and content. A well designed wiki will include articles that define the standard and preferred forms of adding content, as well as the content itself.(and of course the help / template / etc pages have discussion pages too). From dunelm@... Wed Aug 13 23:17:28 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:17:28 -0000 Subject: Full Circle Message-ID: Now that these recordings are being digitised and made generally available by the selfless and public-spirited members of this group, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for the recordings – in the guise of CDs, DVDs etc - to reappear on eBay, whence we obtained them in the first place. Ho-hum . . . From dr_mango2004@... Wed Aug 13 23:45:38 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <631849.24808.qm@...> Thanks for the tip. I'd never bothered with torrents until this evening, but now I've gone and installed the necessary and the files I want appear to be on their way... Mango (MD) --- On Wed, 13/8/08, saipanda wrote: From: saipanda Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 4:51 AM Just a general point -- if you're set up for torrents, you should be able to indicate you want to download a limited number of the files it contains (as opposed to all of them). On my software, you load the torrent and it asks you if you want to download all the files. These are all listed. Just untick the ones you don't want. Guess this might work slightly differently depending on the software. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, Dr Mango wrote: > > Speaking (as I was) of the 17 DVDs torrent, looking at the track listing of DVD #9: > http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/John_ Peel_Torrent_ Compilation_ 9_of_17_% 281994- 2001%29 > > It would appear that my own personal collection is lacking the following: > > 1994 > John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 1.mp3 > John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 2.mp3 > > > 1995 > 1. John Peel Show 13-05-95.mp3 > > > 2000 > John Peel 2000-12-06.mp3John_ Peel_20001207. mp3 > > I have the rest of the contents of that disc. If anyone could upload these somewhere for download, I'd be very grateful. > > Dr M. > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From philip.gh@... Thu Aug 14 01:19:23 2008 From: philip.gh@... (phil) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:19:23 -0000 Subject: Full Circle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's virtually impossible to stop that, I was initially dismayed when the Finnish Radio torrents that I helped distribute were being sold on ebay. As long as everything is widely shared and freely available hopefully it will be less profitable for people to try and sell the shows and this will become less of an issue.....or maybe not ? Phil From vinpinman@... Thu Aug 14 08:24:49 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:24:49 -0000 Subject: Full Circle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let's make sure we spread the word sufficiently so that no one ends up being taken for a ride. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "phil" wrote: > > available by the selfless and public-spirited members of this group, > it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for the recordings – in > the guise of CDs, DVDs etc - to reappear on eBay, whence we obtained > them in the first place. > > Ho-hum . . .> > > It's virtually impossible to stop that, I was initially dismayed when > the Finnish Radio torrents that I helped distribute were being sold > on ebay. As long as everything is widely shared and freely available > hopefully it will be less profitable for people to try and sell the > shows and this will become less of an issue.....or maybe not ? > > Phil > From robfleay@... Thu Aug 14 10:08:15 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 8:08:15 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 (personal comments) Message-ID: <20080814080815.UPKA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> I've received my tapes from Rocker and made a start last night. Typically the first tape I ripped seems to be an incomplete show (just the first hour, taped over the "Golden Wheels Of Motown" or something). The second half of the show isn't in my batch but may still be in the box! I'll upload the flac tonight but I made an attempt at doing the wiki page for it here: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 Does this look OK? I don't know what the official tape number is.. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Thu Aug 14 10:43:20 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:43:20 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 (personal comments) In-Reply-To: <20080814080815.UPKA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Rob! Looks like a great show! I suggest we designate numbers to them as information becomes available. As the 7 July 1978 show was on two tapes (now Tape 1 and Taoe 2) respectively, suggest we call this Tape 3. I've made a couple of entries to try and link things up. Hopefully people will get an idea of how it's supposed to work. If you go to the main 400 Box page from Rob's link below, hopefully things will start to seem clear. Thanks again, Rob! Can't wait to hear it! Cheers, Steve PS Need to add further links and stuff for the tracklisting but supposed to be working right now and then have to go straight out. Can have another go later or tomorrow, --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > I've received my tapes from Rocker and made a start last night. Typically the first tape I ripped seems to be an incomplete show (just the first hour, taped over the "Golden Wheels Of Motown" or something). The second half of the show isn't in my batch but may still be in the box! > > I'll upload the flac tonight but I made an attempt at doing the wiki page for it here: > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > Does this look OK? I don't know what the official tape number is.. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From thebarguest@... Thu Aug 14 14:46:10 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:46:10 -0000 Subject: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <001a01c8fca8$a907b8e0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: Any chance of sharing this with us, Alan, please ? I performed a similar multi-part speed correction on the old 790719 tape (Russians session) - it took quite a while. That begs the question about the current 400 Box transfer project : Are the tapes just going to be released to the great world public complete with helium-voiced Peely and bad editing etc ? Or could some sort of 'centralised' remastering be done to create the definitive FLAC/MP3 ? Otherwise we could end up with loads of remaster versions, some of them good, some bad, no standard .... Much as I enjoy tinkering with Audacity, it could take me (and others) years to remaster 400 tapes ! Bye Donny Dolby --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that this show (7/7/78) seems to run a bit fast? > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 hour it seems to speed up again. > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a further 2.5% > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better to my cloth ears. > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from the beginning of the show. > The final pips come at 1:44 > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins missing. > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Walsh > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:27 AM > Subject: [peel] Tape 1 > > > > Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! > > For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD > > > Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. > > Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the past couple of days on Wiki related matters. > > I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > > > I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you can probably get the hang of it, though. > > > > Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts coming out. > > > > Thanks again to Rocker! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 > From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 15:25:42 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:25:42 -0000 Subject: 31 October 1978 show Message-ID: I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using bittorrent?) Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal fades in and out a bit. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition and the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match preview, and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get a new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel show Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. Bill From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 15:41:56 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:41:56 -0000 Subject: File Formats Message-ID: A two hour show in stereo wav format is 1,200mb A two hour show in mono is 600MB the same mono two hour show in flac is 300MB. But when you mp3 this you end up at twice the size you should because you cannot have a mono mp3 Really? You can't have a mono mp3? Well I can't do it, can anyone else? So a two hour show at 192kbs is 160MB which is about twice the size it should be. For these mono mp3 files would we be prepared to use another format like Wma, to halve the file size? What do you mac owners use that is not proprietary? Bill From robfleay@... Thu Aug 14 15:48:02 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:48:02 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 Message-ID: <20080814134802.XDUB5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> With the 16-4-79 (part) show I just digitised, I was lucky as it starts with Teenage Kicks so I had an excellent reference point for speed correction (increased 50 cents in SoundForge Pitchshift). The batch of tapes I have is a mix of branded C90's, C120's and factory-pressed promo cassettes that have been taped over. The 16-4-79 tape as mentioned was taped over "Solid Gold Motown" AND had "Paul Gambaccini 30/9/78" written in biro on both sides, so the Peel show is the 3rd occupant of the tape! So, given that mix of variables over 400 tapes, I don't think we can really expect anyone to oversee mastering of them all. I'm sure those who have volunteered to rip will do their best! > Any chance of sharing this with us, Alan, please ? > > I performed a similar multi-part speed correction on the > old 790719 tape (Russians session) - it took quite a while. > > That begs the question about the current 400 Box transfer > project : > > Are the tapes just going to be released to the great > world public complete with helium-voiced Peely and bad editing etc ? > Or could some sort of 'centralised' remastering be done to create > the definitive FLAC/MP3 ? Otherwise we could end up with loads of > remaster versions, some of them good, some bad, no standard .... > > Much as I enjoy tinkering with Audacity, > it could take me (and others) years to remaster 400 tapes ! > > Bye > Donny Dolby > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > > > Has anyone else noticed that this show (7/7/78) seems to run a bit > fast? > > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after > about 1 hour it seems to speed up again. > > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape > flip. > > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it > by a further 2.5% > > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much > better to my cloth ears. > > > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing > from the beginning of the show. > > The final pips come at 1:44 > > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still > another 5 mins missing. > > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > > > Alan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Walsh > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:27 AM > > Subject: [peel] Tape 1 > > > > > > > > Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at > all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! > > > > For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an > alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of > Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD > > > > > > Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. > > > > Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the > past couple of days on Wiki related matters. > > > > I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting > something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I > knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's > tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the > digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > > > > > > > I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to > work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you > can probably get the hang of it, though. > > > > > > > > Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people > can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging > their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts > coming out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again to Rocker! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Not happy with your email address? > > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: > 11/08/2008 05:50 > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From robfleay@... Thu Aug 14 15:53:03 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:53:03 +0000 Subject: [peel] File Formats Message-ID: <20080814135303.ZWBF18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > Really? You can't have a mono mp3? > > Well I can't do it, can anyone else? I'm sure you can do mono mp3 in SoundForge - but i'll have to check when I get home ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From deedeeramain@... Thu Aug 14 17:51:04 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: Wiki Message-ID: <34520.94897.qm@...> Hi Doc! I'm currently on an Arabic course in Buraimi, Oman for the next 2 1/2 weeks but if nobody has sorted you out with these missing files then I'll upload them for you when I get back to home in Saudi. Cheers, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: Dr Mango To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:50:21 AM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Wiki Speaking (as I was) of the 17 DVDs torrent, looking at the track listing of DVD #9: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/John_ Peel_Torrent_ Compilation_ 9_of_17_% 281994-2001% 29 It would appear that my own personal collection is lacking the following: 1994 John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 1.mp3 John Peel 1994-10-07 - Glasgow - Part 2.mp3 1995 1. John Peel Show 13-05-95.mp3 2000 John Peel 2000-12-06.mp3 John_Peel_20001207. mp3 I have the rest of the contents of that disc. If anyone could upload these somewhere for download, I'd be very grateful. Dr M. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com From deedeeramain@... Thu Aug 14 18:00:48 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: Full Circle Message-ID: <701638.35214.qm@...> I believe you can post info on the Ebay pages that relate to guides or warnings for Ebay buyers. For example, I'm a geologist by trade and often scan the fossils / stones for sale on Ebay. To one side, you may see guides to 'Beware of fake dinosaur fossils from China' for example. I'll look into the possibility of posting a guide to the fact these shows are available free. We could also highlight this group and maybe pump up Ken's book sales? (Anything to help a starving academic!) DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: vinpinman To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:24:49 AM Subject: [peel] Re: Full Circle Let's make sure we spread the word sufficiently so that no one ends up being taken for a ride. --- In peel@yahoogroups. com, "phil" wrote: > > available by the selfless and public-spirited members of this group, > it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for the recordings – in > the guise of CDs, DVDs etc - to reappear on eBay, whence we obtained > them in the first place. > > Ho-hum . . .> > > It's virtually impossible to stop that, I was initially dismayed when > the Finnish Radio torrents that I helped distribute were being sold > on ebay. As long as everything is widely shared and freely available > hopefully it will be less profitable for people to try and sell the > shows and this will become less of an issue.....or maybe not ? > > Phil > From robfleay@... Thu Aug 14 18:25:16 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:25:16 +0000 Subject: Tape 3 Message-ID: <20080814162516.COVI19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> I saved an mp3 (mono...so it can be done!) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b79f0a243d6a2c11ab1eab3e9fa335cabcd743b85ff7e63a Added the link to the wiki http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 Those that are only interested in the FLAC version will have to wait till I post the whole lot back to Rocker - which will probably be in a months time as I'm off getting married.. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 18:30:27 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:30:27 -0000 Subject: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected Message-ID: This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay too fast. Now speed corrected, and sounds OK http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file Bill From eddie.duffy@... Thu Aug 14 18:58:20 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:58:20 -0000 Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 Message-ID: I've just put this one up on the Karavan: Peelie's first-ever Night Ride show from 6th. March 1968. Sessions come from The Incredible String Band and Adrian Mitchell. Full 1-hour show in FLAC, 167Mb. Mono. Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ Eddie. From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 19:51:39 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:51:39 -0000 Subject: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I forgot to say sessions fron New Order and Killing Joke --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay too > fast. > > Now speed corrected, and sounds OK > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 > > Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is > called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 > > For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct > before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file > > Bill > From martinw@... Thu Aug 14 20:49:52 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:52 +0100 Subject: [peel] File Formats In-Reply-To: <20080814135303.ZWBF18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@s mtp.ntlworld.com> References: <20080814135303.ZWBF18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: At 14:53 14/08/2008, you wrote: > > Really? You can't have a mono mp3? > > > > Well I can't do it, can anyone else? > >I'm sure you can do mono mp3 in SoundForge - but i'll have to check >when I get home You can do mono mp3s but it doesn't affect the filesize martinw From martinw@... Thu Aug 14 20:56:49 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:56:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Full Circle In-Reply-To: <701638.35214.qm@...> References: <701638.35214.qm@...> Message-ID: At 17:00 14/08/2008, you wrote: >I believe you can post info on the Ebay pages that relate to guides >or warnings for Ebay buyers. >For example, I'm a geologist by trade and often scan the fossils / >stones for sale on Ebay. To one side, you may see guides to 'Beware >of fake dinosaur fossils from China' for example. >I'll look into the possibility of posting a guide to the fact these >shows are available free. We could also highlight this group and >maybe pump up Ken's book sales? (Anything to help a starving academic!) > >DeeDee Snag is this group or any member of it doesn't own the copyright either What the group has been doing may not be bothering anyone too much but that doesn't make it legal! martinw From deedeeramain@... Thu Aug 14 21:11:44 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: Full Circle Message-ID: <232431.23842.qm@...> Yeah, you're right - probably not so wise to draw undue attention to ourselves! DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: Martin Wheatley To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:56:49 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Full Circle At 17:00 14/08/2008, you wrote: >I believe you can post info on the Ebay pages that relate to guides >or warnings for Ebay buyers. >For example, I'm a geologist by trade and often scan the fossils / >stones for sale on Ebay. To one side, you may see guides to 'Beware >of fake dinosaur fossils from China' for example. >I'll look into the possibility of posting a guide to the fact these >shows are available free. We could also highlight this group and >maybe pump up Ken's book sales? (Anything to help a starving academic!) > >DeeDee Snag is this group or any member of it doesn't own the copyright either What the group has been doing may not be bothering anyone too much but that doesn't make it legal! martinw From ken_garner@... Thu Aug 14 21:22:38 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:22:38 -0000 Subject: Tape 3 In-Reply-To: <20080814162516.COVI19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: er, can someone tell me how to download from that site, please? I hit all kinds of buttons like 'share' but it keeps saying I have to register, or email it to my (non-existent) facebook account or some such. I am obviously missing something simple... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > I saved an mp3 (mono...so it can be done!) > > http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=b79f0a243d6a2c11ab1eab3e9fa335cabcd743b85ff7e63a > > Added the link to the wiki > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > Those that are only interested in the FLAC version will have to wait till I post the whole lot back to Rocker - which will probably be in a months time as I'm off getting married.. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 21:40:30 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0000 Subject: File Formats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is the problem, the filesize is the same. I think that is because it still keeps 2 tracks. So it is 2 track mono, or 2 track stereo, but the filesize is the same --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 14:53 14/08/2008, you wrote: > > > > Really? You can't have a mono mp3? > > > > > > Well I can't do it, can anyone else? > > > >I'm sure you can do mono mp3 in SoundForge - but i'll have to check > >when I get home > > You can do mono mp3s but it doesn't affect the filesize > > martinw > From martinw@... Thu Aug 14 21:47:51 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:47:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: File Formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 20:40 14/08/2008, you wrote: >That is the problem, the filesize is the same. I think that is because >it still keeps 2 tracks. > >So it is 2 track mono, or 2 track stereo, but the filesize is the same On the other hand if you are sure the source is mono then recording in mono cuts out any cross-channel interference which can sometimes occur martinw From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 21:59:54 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:59:54 -0000 Subject: File Formats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes I think you are right, but that's when I noticed that saving to mp3 from mono saves the file as 2 track mono, and you get a larger (2x) file size than, say wma, at the same bit rate --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 20:40 14/08/2008, you wrote: > > >That is the problem, the filesize is the same. I think that is because > >it still keeps 2 tracks. > > > >So it is 2 track mono, or 2 track stereo, but the filesize is the same > > On the other hand if you are sure the source is mono > then recording in mono cuts out any cross-channel > interference which can sometimes occur > > martinw > From robfleay@... Thu Aug 14 22:08:55 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:08:55 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 3 Message-ID: <20080814200855.FNBU29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Hi Ken - it looks like the trusty word wrap has knackered the big long link again! If you go to the wiki page for the show http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 Try the download link there at the bottom - right click and save as > er, can someone tell me how to download from that site, please? I hit all kinds of buttons > like 'share' but it keeps saying I have to register, or email it to my (non-existent) facebook > account or some such. I am obviously missing something simple... > > k > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > > I saved an mp3 (mono...so it can be done!) > > > > http://www.mediafire.com/? > sharekey=b79f0a243d6a2c11ab1eab3e9fa335cabcd743b85ff7e63a > > > > Added the link to the wiki > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > > > Those that are only interested in the FLAC version will have to wait till I post the whole > lot back to Rocker - which will probably be in a months time as I'm off getting married.. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From jimmystep@... Thu Aug 14 22:29:16 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <748476.47135.qm@...> --- On Thu, 14/8/08, thebarguest wrote: > That begs the question about the current 400 Box transfer > project : > > Are the tapes just going to be released to the great > world public complete with helium-voiced Peely and bad > editing etc ? > Or could some sort of 'centralised' remastering be > done to create > the definitive FLAC/MP3 ? Otherwise we could end up with > loads of > remaster versions, some of them good, some bad, no standard > .... I signed on to the project as a ripper i.e. someone who would convert the tapes to a lossless digital format in as true a representation as possible, warts and all. That is what the archive process entails. Once in that digital form, the sound file can then be processed by people with, hopefully, much better sound manipulative skills, and much more time, than I have. I mean no disrespect to list members when I say that some folks talent in the area of hiss removal and speed correction are not as wonderful as they may think. I shall be returning to Rocker, once completed, the original tapes plus flac files of each tape side, plus individual md5 files and an overall text file detailing the tapes contents. The flac files will have been processed from raw wave files which have not been altered in any way. I'll try and update the wiki within the layout provided as soon as I can. As an aside, do we just allocate tape numbers whenever we are ready to add something to the wiki? I did have a chance last night to do a first take of 1979-01-09 and the overall sound was good although side-a did have a bit of bleed through on the right channel. A fine mix of sound from Throbbing Gristle to Jerry Lee Lewis via Beefheart and Fingerprintz! Subway Sect as the only session. All good stuff as my deceased faither-in-law would have said. I'm not back home till friday evening so will have a 2nd try then. The tapes, as someone has mentioned, are a right mixed bag but only one of my batch appears to have some damage, a kink in the tape, with another having some tape mildew, nothing drastic. Cheers......Jimmy Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From johan.kalm@... Thu Aug 14 22:31:27 2008 From: johan.kalm@... (Johan) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:27 -0000 Subject: File Formats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > At 20:40 14/08/2008, you wrote: > > >That is the problem, the filesize is the same. I think that is because > >it still keeps 2 tracks. > > > >So it is 2 track mono, or 2 track stereo, but the filesize is the same > > On the other hand if you are sure the source is mono > then recording in mono cuts out any cross-channel > interference which can sometimes occur > > martinw > If the original recording is in mono recorded on a stereo cassette is it better to use only either the left or the right channel when ripping. You can choose the channel with the best quality and there is no phasing interference. From zen30378@... Thu Aug 14 22:54:39 2008 From: zen30378@... (Ed Powley) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:54:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] File Formats In-Reply-To: References: <20080814135303.ZWBF18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48A49B8F.4070109@...> Martin Wheatley wrote: > You can do mono mp3s but it doesn't affect the filesize Not directly, but you can encode a mono mp3 at a lower bitrate than a stereo mp3 and get the same sound quality. A file encoded in mono mode at 96kbps should sound as good as a file in stereo mode at 192kbps. That's an over-simplification if you start getting into things like joint-stereo encoding, but you get the general idea. Ed From spiggytopes55@... Thu Aug 14 23:11:50 2008 From: spiggytopes55@... (Julian Porter) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Bennet - Peel Session In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <340589.41410.qm@...> Anyone got the Peel Session from Bennet dated 2/6/1996?   I happen to work with the guitarist and he's leaaving soon, so It would be good to get a copy before he does.   Cheers,   Julian Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 14 23:27:20 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:27:20 -0000 Subject: File Formats In-Reply-To: <48A49B8F.4070109@...> Message-ID: Well then, if you have heard from quality of the tapes digitised thus far, we might say that 128kbs should be fine for non lossless distribution? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Ed Powley wrote: > > Martin Wheatley wrote: > > You can do mono mp3s but it doesn't affect the filesize > > Not directly, but you can encode a mono mp3 at a lower bitrate than a > stereo mp3 and get the same sound quality. A file encoded in mono mode > at 96kbps should sound as good as a file in stereo mode at 192kbps. > That's an over-simplification if you start getting into things like > joint-stereo encoding, but you get the general idea. > > Ed > From ken_garner@... Thu Aug 14 23:43:46 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:46 -0000 Subject: Tape 3 In-Reply-To: <20080814200855.FNBU29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: thanks, yoo hoo, it worked, listening now: back to medium wave, back to mono! ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > Hi Ken - it looks like the trusty word wrap has knackered the big long link again! > > If you go to the wiki page for the show > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > Try the download link there at the bottom - right click and save as > > > > er, can someone tell me how to download from that site, please? I hit all kinds of buttons > > like 'share' but it keeps saying I have to register, or email it to my (non-existent) facebook > > account or some such. I am obviously missing something simple... > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > > > > I saved an mp3 (mono...so it can be done!) > > > > > > http://www.mediafire.com/? > > sharekey=b79f0a243d6a2c11ab1eab3e9fa335cabcd743b85ff7e63a > > > > > > Added the link to the wiki > > > > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > > > > > Those that are only interested in the FLAC version will have to wait till I post the whole > > lot back to Rocker - which will probably be in a months time as I'm off getting married.. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From alan@... Fri Aug 15 00:59:30 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:59:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] Tape 3 References: <20080814162516.COVI19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <002901c8fe61$6f77bca0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> I can't believe you'd let something as trivial as getting marred disrupt our Peel work ! (I say 'our', but my only involvement so far has been downloading and enjoying). Congrats btw Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: RobF To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [peel] Tape 3 I saved an mp3 (mono...so it can be done!) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b79f0a243d6a2c11ab1eab3e9fa335cabcd743b85ff7e63a Added the link to the wiki http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 Those that are only interested in the FLAC version will have to wait till I post the whole lot back to Rocker - which will probably be in a months time as I'm off getting married.. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 18:03 From alan@... Fri Aug 15 01:14:50 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:50 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1978 F50 shows References: Message-ID: <005901c8fe63$8fc9e5d0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Bill, If memory serves me right, you kindly supplied parts 1 and 2 of the 1978 Festive 50 recently. I was wonderin' if I missed the remaining parts, or whether you haven't got around to them yet. Or what? Thanks Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [peel] 31 October 1978 show I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using bittorrent?) Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal fades in and out a bit. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition and the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match preview, and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get a new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel show Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. Bill No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 18:03 From alan@... Fri Aug 15 03:02:26 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:02:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 References: Message-ID: <006d01c8fe72$95ed68b0$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Try here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JZ7GC5KV This RAR contains the slowed-down MP3 version of 7/7/78, a text file containing the track listing etc, and an MP3 of the Los-Jaivas track ripped from you tube. Cheers Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: thebarguest To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 1 Any chance of sharing this with us, Alan, please ? I performed a similar multi-part speed correction on the old 790719 tape (Russians session) - it took quite a while. That begs the question about the current 400 Box transfer project : Are the tapes just going to be released to the great world public complete with helium-voiced Peely and bad editing etc ? Or could some sort of 'centralised' remastering be done to create the definitive FLAC/MP3 ? Otherwise we could end up with loads of remaster versions, some of them good, some bad, no standard .... Much as I enjoy tinkering with Audacity, it could take me (and others) years to remaster 400 tapes ! Bye Donny Dolby --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ford" wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that this show (7/7/78) seems to run a bit fast? > I slowed it down by 2.5% using Audacity, but noticed that after about 1 hour it seems to speed up again. > Presumably the tape is a C120, so maybe it speeds up after the tape flip. > From 1:03.44 (the Dick G back-announce) to the end I've slowed it by a further 2.5% > I'm listening again now and it's still not perfect, but sounds much better to my cloth ears. > > Presumably the original show was two hours. > The 10:25 timecheck comes after 14 mins, so there's 11 mins missing from the beginning of the show. > The final pips come at 1:44 > 1:44 + 11 = 1:55 > Unless my logic/maths are flawed (surely not), there's still another 5 mins missing. > Surely it's not running that fast!? > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Walsh > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:27 AM > Subject: [peel] Tape 1 > > > > Many thanks to Rocker for our very first tape. Had no problems at all with the downloading or playing. Great stuff! > > For those with downloading restrictions or who prefer an alternative format for iPods, and to avoid possible overloading of Rocker's iSite, here's an mp3 version: > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQWYB8SD > > > Made it max bit rate (320?), so it's still a pretty big file. > > Also wanted to say thanks to Phil, Ken, Richard for comments the past couple of days on Wiki related matters. > > I don't disagree with you, but in the interest of getting something online quickly on the occasion of our first tape release, I knocked up a quick thing this morning (while listening to Rocker's tape) we could perhaps use in the meantime to keep a track of the digitizing process (and do basic tracklisting info stuff). > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > > > I didn't really have time to finish it up before I had to come to work, so it's only a rough outline version at the moment. Think you can probably get the hang of it, though. > > > > Wondered whether something like this would be useful so people can easily keep up to date on where we are once tapes start winging their way around the UK and all kinds of different stuff starts coming out. > > > > Thanks again to Rocker! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Not happy with your email address? > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1604 - Release Date: 11/08/2008 05:50 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 06:20 From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 03:54:04 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:54:04 -0000 Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Eddie! Are they the right links though? I picked up 27-12-69 Top Gear show, which was good. Bill -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > I've just put this one up on the Karavan: Peelie's first-ever Night > Ride show from 6th. March 1968. Sessions come from The Incredible > String Band and Adrian Mitchell. Full 1-hour show in FLAC, 167Mb. Mono. > > Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. > > http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ > > Eddie. > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 04:15:40 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:15:40 -0000 Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forget that last post, I got my navigation wrong. I have it now! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Thanks Eddie! > > Are they the right links though? > > I picked up 27-12-69 Top Gear show, which was good. > > Bill > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Duffy" wrote: > > > > I've just put this one up on the Karavan: Peelie's first-ever Night > > Ride show from 6th. March 1968. Sessions come from The Incredible > > String Band and Adrian Mitchell. Full 1-hour show in FLAC, 167Mb. > Mono. > > > > Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. > > > > http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ > > > > Eddie. > > > From alan@... Fri Aug 15 04:58:29 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:58:29 +0100 Subject: [peel] First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 References: Message-ID: <008601c8fe82$cc32e430$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Excellent. Many Thanks Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Duffy To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: [peel] First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 I've just put this one up on the Karavan: Peelie's first-ever Night Ride show from 6th. March 1968. Sessions come from The Incredible String Band and Adrian Mitchell. Full 1-hour show in FLAC, 167Mb. Mono. Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. http://kats-karavan.blogspot.com/ Eddie. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1612 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 18:03 From guyanthonybrown@... Fri Aug 15 05:14:53 2008 From: guyanthonybrown@... (Guy Brown) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 Message-ID: <131692.26213.qm@...> >>Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. Not sure why you're thanking me - I don't think this had anything to do with me! In fact I remain very much in your debt for numerous shows, etc over the years. Including this one in FLAC! - are we reaching the conclusion that FLAC is the best way forward always? Cheers GUY From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Aug 15 06:43:50 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:43:50 -0000 Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: <131692.26213.qm@...> Message-ID: Fellow Peelites I have to be honest, as soon as I downloaded this, I encoded it to 320 kbps mp3. I have nothing to play FLAC files with, I burn my entire Peel collection to DVD, so it really makes no difference to me if it's FLAC or not, and, with all due respect to Eddie's initiative, I do not see how FLAC is any better for a 40 year old mono recording. Shoot me down in flames if you must, but do it in a friendly way, please. There are those on here who tend to be stuffy and a bit patronising in their responses (no names, no pack drill). Are we not all on the same side? Nevertheless, fulsome thanks to Eddie for a great job. P.S. As was pointed out, what we're doing is strictly illegal. So let's stop doing it. Will that ease our consciences? No, I thought not. See Ken's book, p. 181: I quote, in part, 'Who could, or would, indict a whole wide world of bloggers?'. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Guy Brown wrote: > > >>Thanks to Colin and Guy for the source materials. > Not sure why you're thanking me - I don't think this had anything to do with me! > In fact I remain very much in your debt for numerous shows, etc over the years. Including this one in FLAC! - are we reaching the conclusion that FLAC is the best way forward always? > Cheers GUY > From robfleay@... Fri Aug 15 09:32:54 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 7:32:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: RE:First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 Message-ID: <20080815073254.IWMO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > I do not see how FLAC is any better for a 40 year old > mono recording. Shoot me down in flames if you must, but > do it in a friendly way, please. I'm with you Steve. I'm ripping tapes as we speak and I'm buggered if I can tell the difference between the mp3 and the flac versions. I know what Peel would have made of the discussion anyway. Now where's my Razorcuts flexi gone? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From martinw@... Fri Aug 15 09:57:55 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:57:55 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: RE:First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: References: <131692.26213.qm@...> Message-ID: > >P.S. As was pointed out, what we're doing is strictly illegal. So >let's stop doing it. Will that ease our consciences? No, I thought >not. See Ken's book, p. 181: I quote, in part, 'Who could, or would, >indict a whole wide world of bloggers?'. > >Best wishes >Steve [Teenage Kicks] Quite right but there is a distinction between doing something and walking about with a large notice saying 'Please sue me' Its not the BBC - they only have the broadcasting rights and the Internet rights for 7 days after broadcast The rights to the music is with the record companies who are run by accountants. A certain amount of reticence and common sense is neccesary Pirates complaining about being pirated are not likely to be greeted with much sympathy! I've done my share of putting up sessions but I've always been aware of the E-Bay situation and have been careful not to put up too many by one artist Requests for all sessions by Misty In Roots have been avoided! martinw From martinw@... Fri Aug 15 10:21:51 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:21:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Bennet - Peel Session In-Reply-To: <340589.41410.qm@...> References: <340589.41410.qm@...> Message-ID: At 22:11 14/08/2008, you wrote: >Anyone got the Peel Session from Bennet dated 2/6/1996? > >I happen to work with the guitarist and he's leaaving soon, so It >would be good to get a copy before he does. > >Cheers, > >Julian Two for the price of one Peel session http://www.divshare.com/download/5181226-95c Radcliffe live in the studio http://www.divshare.com/download/5181259-6d3 martinw From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 15 10:46:49 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:46:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: RE:First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: <20080815073254.IWMO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080815073254.IWMO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48A54279.7070005@...> Yeah, I thought I'd just give FLAC a try this time to see what the reaction was. As it's mono, and only a 1-hour show, the FLAC turned out quite a reasonable size, so I went with it. I must admit, my ears aren't sophisticated enough to pick up the difference between lossless and 320K MP3s either. RobF wrote: >I'm with you Steve. I'm ripping tapes as we speak and I'm buggered if I can tell the difference between the mp3 and the flac versions. I know what Peel would have made of the discussion anyway. Something like, "Listen mate, LIFE has loss"...? Eddie. From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 12:47:53 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47:53 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 3 Message-ID: This is getting quite interesting now, if you have avoided memorising the published list, and Peely seems to be enjoying himself. Also my tapes got better too! This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Thursday 28 December 1978 encoded at 192kbs mp3 Also included aresessions by Alternative TV, Penetration, Slits and Magazine. Part 3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H In case you missed them Part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW (dedicated to Alasdair) Part 3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT Bill From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 12:57:01 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:57:01 -0000 Subject: Proper Forum Message-ID: Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom and humour, and session snippets, etc? This place is great, but having better facilities than Yahoo offer would make it greater. Who's toes have I stepped on here? Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a discussion point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. Bill From vinpinman@... Fri Aug 15 13:16:23 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:16:23 -0000 Subject: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I find bulletin board forums much easier to navigate. I vote for a move across. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to > a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability > to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom > and humour, and session snippets, etc? > > This place is great, but having better facilities than > Yahoo offer would make it greater. > > Who's toes have I stepped on here? > > Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a discussion > point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is > rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. > > Bill > From vinpinman@... Fri Aug 15 13:18:10 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:10 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've never been to Wales, nýrth or south, but thanks so much for these. I'll make a humungous post about this on Fades in Slowly as soon as we have the whole 50. Many of us have been waiting years for this one to surface - you're a real star. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This is getting quite interesting now, if you have avoided memorising > the published list, and Peely seems to be enjoying himself. Also my > tapes got better too! > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Thursday 28 December 1978 > encoded at 192kbs mp3 > > Also included aresessions by Alternative TV, Penetration, Slits and > Magazine. > > Part 3 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H > > > > In case you missed them > > Part 2 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > (dedicated to Alasdair) > > > Part 3 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > > Bill > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 13:47:31 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:47:31 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Hey!_I_paid_my_=A320_for_the_Ebay_tapes,_what's_happening=3F?= Message-ID: Well, I have to say Rocker has done a superb job in organising the tapes for digitising, with prepaid return envelopes and managing who does what and when. Thanks Rocker!! So it was a bitter disappointment that they were in mono, and in AM quality, but I have to tell you that the sense of (my) history when listening to these shows is enormous. Maybe that will only apply to people of a certain age! So what is happening with the tapes? OK when the tapes arrive they are like this http://tiny.cc/Ixw1C http://tiny.cc/aXWMj http://tiny.cc/WTEh6 Some have tracklisting like this http://tiny.cc/u58nb Some will not play, so need transferring to a new shell to play (they are put back when finished http://tiny.cc/1GnIT What used to be on the tapes? All sorts of record label promotional stuff http://tiny.cc/lwR1t What equipment do you use? What is your set up like? http://tiny.cc/AfXDZ http://tiny.cc/zHclB What software are you using? http://tiny.cc/iu3jy Hope this answers your questions! Bill From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 13:54:46 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:54:46 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am from Liverpool originally, I just live here now! Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > I've never been to Wales, nýrth or south, but thanks so much for > these. I'll make a humungous post about this on Fades in Slowly as > soon as we have the whole 50. > > Many of us have been waiting years for this one to surface - you're a > real star. > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, > "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > This is getting quite interesting now, if you have avoided > memorising > > the published list, and Peely seems to be enjoying himself. Also > my > > tapes got better too! > > > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Thursday 28 December 1978 > > encoded at 192kbs mp3 > > > > Also included aresessions by Alternative TV, Penetration, Slits > and > > Magazine. > > > > Part 3 > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H > > > > > > > > In case you missed them > > > > Part 2 > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > > > (dedicated to Alasdair) > > > > > > Part 3 > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > > > > > Bill > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 14:16:23 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:16:23 -0000 Subject: 31 October 1978 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess no-one downloaded this yet? I should have called it Tape 4! Here is a track list http://tiny.cc/PmLmT Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto > Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis > > Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for > official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using bittorrent?) > > Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal fades > in and out a bit. > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G > > > > Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) > > (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition and > the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match preview, > and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session > > And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. > > I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get a > new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel > show > > Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. > > It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM > broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. > > Bill > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 14:19:29 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:19:29 -0000 Subject: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it worth doing thisngs like this, or do you think we'll end up with a load of remasters? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > I forgot to say sessions fron New Order and Killing Joke > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: > > > > > > > > This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay > too > > fast. > > > > Now speed corrected, and sounds OK > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 > > > > Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is > > called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 > > > > For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct > > before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file > > > > Bill > > > From grafpoo@... Fri Aug 15 14:51:43 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:51:43 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From alan@... Fri Aug 15 15:11:24 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:11:24 +0100 Subject: [peel] Proper Forum References: Message-ID: <001701c8fed8$6b897260$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Maybe it's me, but just having to 'navigate' a forum makes it unnecessarily complicated (but maybe I'm not doing it right). With yahoo groups I can just read the postings as they arrive. What's complicated about that? Having said that, I'm not going to argue if people want to change. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: [peel] Proper Forum Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom and humour, and session snippets, etc? This place is great, but having better facilities than Yahoo offer would make it greater. Who's toes have I stepped on here? Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a discussion point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. Bill No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 From grafpoo@... Fri Aug 15 15:14:24 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:14:24 -0400 Subject: [peel] Proper Forum In-Reply-To: <001701c8fed8$6b897260$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> References: <001701c8fed8$6b897260$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 15:17:01 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:17:01 -0000 Subject: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like these http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl http://www.reggaemusicforum.com/ http://www.crf2.com/ http://coreforum.com/forum8.html http://www.for3.org/forums/index.php ...well, you get the idea. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "john guthrie" wrote: > > for us luddites, can you provide a URL for a bulletin board that > demonstrates some of the improvements? > > john > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 7:16 AM, vinpinman wrote: > > > I find bulletin board forums much easier to navigate. I vote for a > > move across. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > > "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > > > Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group > > to > > > a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless > > ability > > > to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of > > wisdom > > > and humour, and session snippets, etc? > > > > > > This place is great, but having better facilities than > > > Yahoo offer would make it greater. > > > > > > Who's toes have I stepped on here? > > > > > > Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a > > discussion > > > point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is > > > rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > From stuff@... Fri Aug 15 15:30:40 2008 From: stuff@... (Andy Irvine) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:40 +0100 Subject: [peel] Proper Forum In-Reply-To: <001701c8fed8$6b897260$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> References: <001701c8fed8$6b897260$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: <48A58500.5060601@...> I hate forums and wouldn't use one, which is probably why I joined a mailing list... I'm not important in the grand scheme of things, not being active with the ripping and archiving, so count that as a quarter-vote or something! Alan Ford wrote: > Maybe it's me, but just having to 'navigate' a forum makes it unnecessarily complicated (but maybe I'm not doing it right). > With yahoo groups I can just read the postings as they arrive. > What's complicated about that? > > Having said that, I'm not going to argue if people want to change. > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: billfromnorthwales > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:57 AM > Subject: [peel] Proper Forum > > > Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to > a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability > to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom > and humour, and session snippets, etc? > > This place is great, but having better facilities than > Yahoo offer would make it greater. > > Who's toes have I stepped on here? > > Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a discussion > point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is > rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. > > Bill > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 15:39:13 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:39:13 -0000 Subject: When did he last play....... Message-ID: Well at least in 1978 for all mentioned, because I have them on tape, but I think it is interesting to ask..... After 1978, when did he last play Rod Stewart Led Zeppelin Status Quo Hawkwind for example? We did this for Pink Floyd just recently, and the answer was... right up until 2004 From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 15:45:45 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:45:45 -0000 Subject: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: <48A58500.5060601@...> Message-ID: I think "member since June 2000" has an order of magintude multiplier if it ever were to come to a vote, Andy. I don't think it will though. If only Yahoo would allow attachments and cope with long Url's. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Andy Irvine wrote: > > I hate forums and wouldn't use one, which is probably why I joined a > mailing list... > > I'm not important in the grand scheme of things, not being active with > the ripping and archiving, so count that as a quarter-vote or something! > > Alan Ford wrote: > > Maybe it's me, but just having to 'navigate' a forum makes it unnecessarily complicated (but maybe I'm not doing it right). > > With yahoo groups I can just read the postings as they arrive. > > What's complicated about that? > > > > Having said that, I'm not going to argue if people want to change. > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: billfromnorthwales > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:57 AM > > Subject: [peel] Proper Forum > > > > > > Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to > > a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability > > to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom > > and humour, and session snippets, etc? > > > > This place is great, but having better facilities than > > Yahoo offer would make it greater. > > > > Who's toes have I stepped on here? > > > > Looking back to when this place started in 1999, it seemed a discussion > > point for what happened on the radio the previous night, but it is > > rapidly moving on to become THE home for Peel history. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 > > > From iangwilson@... Fri Aug 15 15:47:06 2008 From: iangwilson@... (Ian Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:47:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: References: <48A58500.5060601@...> Message-ID: <7b3563a0808150647s5908281exadf662059614c1b4@...> I like it as it is myself - esp. when accessing from work. Ian. From grafpoo@... Fri Aug 15 15:48:28 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:48:28 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From grafpoo@... Fri Aug 15 15:50:22 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:50:22 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: RE:First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: <48A54279.7070005@...> References: <20080815073254.IWMO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> <48A54279.7070005@...> Message-ID: From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Fri Aug 15 15:50:41 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:50:41 -0000 Subject: When did he last play....... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Well at least in 1978 for all mentioned, because I have them on tape, > but I think it is interesting to ask..... > > After 1978, when did he last play > > Rod Stewart > Led Zeppelin > Status Quo > Hawkwind > > for example? > > We did this for Pink Floyd just recently, and the answer was... right > up until 2004 > I remember he played 'Down Down' by Status Quo as part of the Peelenium...or does that not count? From paul@... Fri Aug 15 16:11:01 2008 From: paul@... (paulwebster_uk) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:11:01 -0000 Subject: Proper Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Did we ever get anywhere on deciding whether we can move this group to a more advanced Forum with easier navigation, and the priceless ability to add include small audio attachments, such as Peel's pearls of wisdom and humour, and session snippets, etc? For those that only read the messages here via email ... there is a basic "forum" view available as well. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/messages It does include threaded content (related messages are linked together). The "Files" area here (on Yahoo) is only 100MB ... but still has 40MB free so has space for a few Peel quips but not much more. From john.bravin@... Fri Aug 15 16:36:10 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:36:10 +0200 Subject: [peel] Re: When did he last play....... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5945A.7010202@...> Peel played both Status Quo (Down Down) and Family (Strange Band) in his show on 28 Sept 2004 See (hear) http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel And Peel said he wanted "I played Down Down at Tribal Gathering" engraved on his tombstone John From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 16:42:42 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:42:42 -0000 Subject: When did he last play....... In-Reply-To: <48A5945A.7010202@...> Message-ID: He never got it, though http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2354/2223211584_9e4b98f384.jpg?v=0 Look someone has left some flowers and a demo CD --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Peel played both Status Quo (Down Down) and Family (Strange Band) in his > show on 28 Sept 2004 > > See (hear) http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel > > And Peel said he wanted "I played Down Down at Tribal Gathering" > engraved on his tombstone > > John > From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Aug 15 16:49:50 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:49:50 -0000 Subject: When did he last play....... In-Reply-To: <48A5945A.7010202@...> Message-ID: Dear John Sorry to be pedantic, but the list states that it was Quo's 'Whatever You want' that he played. But you're a god anyway for finding this, because I didn't have this show at all!!! Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, John Bravin wrote: > > Peel played both Status Quo (Down Down) and Family (Strange Band) in his > show on 28 Sept 2004 > > See (hear) http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel > > And Peel said he wanted "I played Down Down at Tribal Gathering" > engraved on his tombstone > > John > From lollygagger@... Fri Aug 15 18:07:16 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:07:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Re equalizer probs I was in the process of selling my Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck as I have finished converting my tapes but if I can help convert tapes to digi format (via wavelab Steinburg software) let me know. The Nakamichi Dragon has auto azimuth but no pitch control. Gordon Leeds W.Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: rockerq@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: Roger Carruthers (South Wales) faggy-fewster (London) Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) Jimmy Step (Glasgow) Dr Mango (Lancashire) Bill From (North Wales) Chachaman (Leicestershire) Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). Cheers! Rocker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22 From saipanda@... Fri Aug 15 18:14:19 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:14:19 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gorden, Maybe you could contact Rocker directly to coordinate with him on this. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > Hi > > Re equalizer probs > > I was in the process of selling my Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck as I have finished converting my tapes but if I can help convert tapes to digi format (via wavelab Steinburg software) let me know. > > The Nakamichi Dragon has auto azimuth but no pitch control. > > Gordon > Leeds > W.Yorkshire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rockerq@... > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! > > Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. > > Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. > > Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! > > In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) > > Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. > > ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: > > Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: > > Roger Carruthers (South Wales) > faggy-fewster (London) > Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) > Jimmy Step (Glasgow) > Dr Mango (Lancashire) > Bill From (North Wales) > Chachaman (Leicestershire) > > Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22 > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 15 18:29:19 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:29:19 -0000 Subject: 31 October 1978 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bill, I'm a Scouser as well, despite being a resident of Tokyo these days. We used to go to north Wales on our summer holidays when I was a kid -- Aberdaron. And of course there were assorted school trips to Colomendy down the years as well. Thanks for the assorted pics! Great stuff. Actually, I was just thinking today we could do with some kind of image stuff up on the Wiki. Had a little test with this one on the Tape 4 page. Hope that's OK with you. I can always take it down if you want. If you want to check it out: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Tape_4 (Rest of the page is just links and basic info.) Thanks for the 31-10-1978 show! Listening to it right now. Will try and sort out a tracklisting for the Wiki as I download your 1978 Festive Fifty Part 3. Many thanks for that as well! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > I guess no-one downloaded this yet? > > I should have called it Tape 4! > > Here is a track list > > http://tiny.cc/PmLmT > > Bill > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: > > > > I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto > > Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis > > > > Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for > > official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using > bittorrent?) > > > > Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal > fades > > in and out a bit. > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G > > > > > > > > Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) > > > > (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition > and > > the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match > preview, > > and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session > > > > And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. > > > > I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get > a > > new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel > > show > > > > Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. > > > > It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM > > broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. > > > > Bill > > > From robfleay@... Fri Aug 15 19:20:05 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:20:05 +0000 Subject: Tapes 5-8 Something For The Weekend? Message-ID: <20080815172005.RVPH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Added to the wiki site now with full tracklistings and mp3's hosted on mediafire http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/25_June_1979 Roger Chapman live session and Tubeway Army's 2nd session. *Note to Ken - I think I discovered a big error in your book! This session is listed under Michael Chapman!!Sorry (and only the second show I digitised...) http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/26_June_1979 Undertones 3rd session http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/27_June_1979 Leyton Buzzards 3rd session and The Raincoats 1st session All these shows are complete two hours except the last one which is missing the final 10 minutes..this segment might show up on one of the other tapes, as I already discovered an unlisted last 15 minutes of the 18 June Show on the start of one these tapes. Seems like he was just squeezing things in all over, wherever there was blank tape! Now - I really AM off to get married, so that's it for now! Enjoy (the 3rd show is my favourite as Peel is in a really silly mood) ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From k.j.beech@... Fri Aug 15 19:53:49 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:53:49 -0000 Subject: 31 October 1978 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: is'nt the world a strange place i'm from north wales and used to go to new brighton on my hols!!! kev.. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I'm a Scouser as well, despite being a resident of Tokyo these days. We used to go to north > Wales on our summer holidays when I was a kid -- Aberdaron. And of course there were > assorted school trips to Colomendy down the years as well. > > Thanks for the assorted pics! Great stuff. Actually, I was just thinking today we could do > with some kind of image stuff up on the Wiki. Had a little test with this one on the Tape 4 > page. Hope that's OK with you. I can always take it down if you want. > > If you want to check it out: > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Tape_4 > > (Rest of the page is just links and basic info.) > > Thanks for the 31-10-1978 show! Listening to it right now. Will try and sort out a > tracklisting for the Wiki as I download your 1978 Festive Fifty Part 3. Many thanks for that > as well! > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > I guess no-one downloaded this yet? > > > > I should have called it Tape 4! > > > > Here is a track list > > > > http://tiny.cc/PmLmT > > > > Bill > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > > wrote: > > > > > > I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto > > > Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis > > > > > > Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for > > > official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using > > bittorrent?) > > > > > > Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal > > fades > > > in and out a bit. > > > > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G > > > > > > > > > > > > Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) > > > > > > (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition > > and > > > the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match > > preview, > > > and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session > > > > > > And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. > > > > > > I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get > > a > > > new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel > > > show > > > > > > Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. > > > > > > It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM > > > broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > From k.j.beech@... Fri Aug 15 20:02:51 2008 From: k.j.beech@... (bty455834) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:02:51 -0000 Subject: getting lost!! Message-ID: can i ask a major favour of everyone due to the amount of messages being posted could we indercated in the subject if it contains a link to a new show. i dont want to miss any. bill has started with tape 1 etc and robf has just posted 5 -8 not sure what happened to tapes 2-4 (will go back and look ) could we use the words tape or new show i'd liked to read them all just not all at the same time.. thanks kevin From saipanda@... Fri Aug 15 21:06:33 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:06:33 -0000 Subject: Tapes 5-8 Something For The Weekend? In-Reply-To: <20080815172005.RVPH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Many thanks indeed for the shows and all the details on the Wiki! And many congratulations on your upcoming wedding! Have a great one! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > Added to the wiki site now with full tracklistings and mp3's hosted on mediafire > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/25_June_1979 > Roger Chapman live session and Tubeway Army's 2nd session. > *Note to Ken - I think I discovered a big error in your book! This session is listed under Michael Chapman!!Sorry (and only the second show I digitised...) > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/26_June_1979 > Undertones 3rd session > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/27_June_1979 > Leyton Buzzards 3rd session and The Raincoats 1st session > > All these shows are complete two hours except the last one which is missing the final 10 minutes..this segment might show up on one of the other tapes, as I already discovered an unlisted last 15 minutes of the 18 June Show on the start of one these tapes. Seems like he was just squeezing things in all over, wherever there was blank tape! > > Now - I really AM off to get married, so that's it for now! > > Enjoy (the 3rd show is my favourite as Peel is in a really silly mood) > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From rockerq@... Fri Aug 15 22:27:06 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:27:06 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Tape Numbering Message-ID: > < the first hour, taped over the "Golden Wheels Of Motown" or something). The > second half of the show isn't in my batch but may still be in the box!>> > None of the other tapes is marked as 16th April 1979 - although there's a small chance that one of the unmarked tapes may include more of this show - when I get some time I will listen through the 25 or so unmaked ones to see if I can match them to particular dates. I am stll working on the ssheet of the marked ones at present! << I suggest we designate numbers to them as information becomes available. As the 7 July 1978 show was on two tapes (now Tape 1 and Taoe 2) respectively, suggest we call this Tape 3.>> er... I have this one on my spreadsheet as tape 74 - ie once the cassettes are in order of broadcast date this is the 74th - however this may change when the unmarked tapes are added - I have not uploaded the spreadsheet yet as it is unfinished. Thinking about it - I have attached an unfinished copy so we are at least all singing from the same hymnbook! I will add the unmarked tapes onto the end later, rather than buggering about with the numbering of all the others! Cheers! Rocker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thebarguest@... Fri Aug 15 22:30:56 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:30:56 -0000 Subject: File Formats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Totally agree on 128/44. Can't see the point of anything greater for AM (medium wave) recordings ; its like storing a pint of ale in a gallon flagon ! Just listening to Bill's first 400Box conversion/remaster - even though its AM its "good" AM and could almost be FM apart from the "frequency drift", which is thankfully not as frequent as it could be ! The taper seems to have tuned in the radio OK - maybe his FM reception was too bad or non-existent (only an idiot or "backward" chap would choose AM over good FM) ......... Thanks to everyone who's uploaded recently !! Wow, he's just put on "She Brings the Rain" off "Cannibalism" by Can. I bought that at the time - great blue cover with "android" head and sleeve notes by Pete Shelley........ --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Well then, if you have heard from quality of the tapes digitised thus > far, we might say that 128kbs should be fine for non lossless > distribution? > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Ed Powley wrote: > > > > Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > You can do mono mp3s but it doesn't affect the filesize > > > > Not directly, but you can encode a mono mp3 at a lower bitrate than a > > stereo mp3 and get the same sound quality. A file encoded in mono > mode > > at 96kbps should sound as good as a file in stereo mode at 192kbps. > > That's an over-simplification if you start getting into things like > > joint-stereo encoding, but you get the general idea. > > > > Ed > > > From thebarguest@... Fri Aug 15 22:56:52 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:56:52 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs Message-ID: Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' more middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple fan... ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... From saipanda@... Fri Aug 15 23:23:35 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:23:35 -0000 Subject: Tape Numbering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey there Rocker! No problem at all to me what numbering we go on. If you have a spreadsheet, I'm cool to go with that for the Wiki -- in fact, would make everything clearer and simply matters in the longer term. Absolutely agree we need to all be on the same hymn sheet. As we're not too far down the road, no big problem adjusting the Wiki. Would be great to know who has what and where the tapes are. Somehow, though, your attached file didn't come through my end on the message. Perhaps you could upload it to the files section of the group at Yahoo or just send it to me off list. As always, many thanks for your hard work on all of this. Hope it isn't taking over your life too much. But fantastic to hear the shows! Cheers, Steve W PS. Talking about files that didn't come through, I think you might have uploaded a pic of the 400 Box on the day of handover. If you did,I didn't get a copy of that either, but was thinking it might be really great to have it as part of the Wiki 400 Box main page -- if you could upload it to the files section here or send it to me off-list (or just put it on the Yahoo group files or photos page). --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > > < > the first hour, taped over the "Golden Wheels Of Motown" or something). The > > second half of the show isn't in my batch but may still be in the box!>> > > > None of the other tapes is marked as 16th April 1979 - although there's a > small chance that one of the unmarked tapes may include more of this show - when > I get some time I will listen through the 25 or so unmaked ones to see if I > can match them to particular dates. I am stll working on the ssheet of the > marked ones at present! > > << I suggest we designate numbers to them as information becomes available. > As the 7 July 1978 show was on two tapes (now Tape 1 and Taoe 2) respectively, > suggest we call this Tape 3.>> > > er... I have this one on my spreadsheet as tape 74 - ie once the cassettes > are in order of broadcast date this is the 74th - however this may change when > the unmarked tapes are added - I have not uploaded the spreadsheet yet as it > is unfinished. > > Thinking about it - I have attached an unfinished copy so we are at least all > singing from the same hymnbook! I will add the unmarked tapes onto the end > later, rather than buggering about with the numbering of all the others! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 23:37:54 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:37:54 -0000 Subject: Tape Numbering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Rocker, No the attachments do not come through, so can you put the pics on the photo section ( I did some yesterday) and put the database file on megaupload or equivalent Thanks! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hey there Rocker! > > No problem at all to me what numbering we go on. If you have a spreadsheet, I'm cool to > go with that for the Wiki -- in fact, would make everything clearer and simply matters in > the longer term. Absolutely agree we need to all be on the same hymn sheet. As we're not > too far down the road, no big problem adjusting the Wiki. Would be great to know who has > what and where the tapes are. > > Somehow, though, your attached file didn't come through my end on the message. > Perhaps you could upload it to the files section of the group at Yahoo or just send it to me > off list. > > As always, many thanks for your hard work on all of this. Hope it isn't taking over your life > too much. But fantastic to hear the shows! > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > PS. Talking about files that didn't come through, I think you might have uploaded a pic of > the 400 Box on the day of handover. If you did,I didn't get a copy of that either, but was > thinking it might be really great to have it as part of the Wiki 400 Box main page -- if you > could upload it to the files section here or send it to me off-list (or just put it on the > Yahoo group files or photos page). > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@ wrote: > > > > > < > > the first hour, taped over the "Golden Wheels Of Motown" or something). The > > > second half of the show isn't in my batch but may still be in the box!>> > > > > > None of the other tapes is marked as 16th April 1979 - although there's a > > small chance that one of the unmarked tapes may include more of this show - when > > I get some time I will listen through the 25 or so unmaked ones to see if I > > can match them to particular dates. I am stll working on the ssheet of the > > marked ones at present! > > > > << I suggest we designate numbers to them as information becomes available. > > As the 7 July 1978 show was on two tapes (now Tape 1 and Taoe 2) respectively, > > suggest we call this Tape 3.>> > > > > er... I have this one on my spreadsheet as tape 74 - ie once the cassettes > > are in order of broadcast date this is the 74th - however this may change when > > the unmarked tapes are added - I have not uploaded the spreadsheet yet as it > > is unfinished. > > > > Thinking about it - I have attached an unfinished copy so we are at least all > > singing from the same hymnbook! I will add the unmarked tapes onto the end > > later, rather than buggering about with the numbering of all the others! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Rocker > > > From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 15 23:37:43 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:37:43 +0100 Subject: [peel] Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5F727.7080903@...> Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that there are various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of other radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have his own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more people taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. I seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on this subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because I don't think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search for the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract the type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just the sort to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe his shy, blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that continued to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe there's 1001 equally plausible theories. The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) is probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably quite a few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. Eddie. thebarguest wrote: > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' more > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple fan... > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 06:20 > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 15 23:41:51 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:41:51 -0000 Subject: 31 October 1978 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Steve that is brilliant in Wiki. Ahh Colomendy... that brings back memories --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I'm a Scouser as well, despite being a resident of Tokyo these days. We used to go to north > Wales on our summer holidays when I was a kid -- Aberdaron. And of course there were > assorted school trips to Colomendy down the years as well. > > Thanks for the assorted pics! Great stuff. Actually, I was just thinking today we could do > with some kind of image stuff up on the Wiki. Had a little test with this one on the Tape 4 > page. Hope that's OK with you. I can always take it down if you want. > > If you want to check it out: > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Tape_4 > > (Rest of the page is just links and basic info.) > > Thanks for the 31-10-1978 show! Listening to it right now. Will try and sort out a > tracklisting for the Wiki as I download your 1978 Festive Fifty Part 3. Many thanks for that > as well! > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > I guess no-one downloaded this yet? > > > > I should have called it Tape 4! > > > > Here is a track list > > > > http://tiny.cc/PmLmT > > > > Bill > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > > wrote: > > > > > > I am busy digitising my first lot of tapes, and I will post onto > > > Megaupload complete shows as mp3 on an ad hoc basis > > > > > > Rocker will get the tapes back with disks of flac and mp3 files for > > > official distribution (as flac DVD's and mp3 DVD'd using > > bittorrent?) > > > > > > Anyway show seems to have been from AM broadcast and the signal > > fades > > > in and out a bit. > > > > > > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MX9BGY1G > > > > > > > > > > > > Repeat seesions from Wah!(1978) and The Damned (1976) > > > > > > (cryptic) Highlights are change of frequency balloon competition > > and > > > the 1979 radio 1 calender advert, and radio 1 football match > > preview, > > > and the definitive statement on the next Damned/Doomed session > > > > > > And the Residents track made me stop what I was doing. > > > > > > I don't know what it is, but things I had previously dismissed get > > a > > > new life sometimes when you listen to them in the middle of a Peel > > > show > > > > > > Tapes is speed corrected, but lo fi. > > > > > > It actually brought back memories of listining to late night AM > > > broadcasts on my first transistor radio somehow. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > From theallnewadventuresofspp@... Sat Aug 16 01:56:22 2008 From: theallnewadventuresofspp@... (theallnewadventuresofspp) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:56:22 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: <48A5F727.7080903@...> Message-ID: I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. In a similar vein I'm sure there may be some amongst us (or I may be the only one confessing this...) to religiously taping the Indie chart rundowns on the chart show, and whilst there's a large number of these circulating on Youtube nowadays, there doesn't appear to be the same devotion from the Dance or Rock Chart fans... ...just a thought! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that there are > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of other > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have his > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more people > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. I > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on this > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because I don't > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search for > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract the > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just the sort > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe his shy, > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that continued > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe there's 1001 > equally plausible theories. > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) is > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably quite a > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > Eddie. > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' more > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple fan... > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 16 02:15:16 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:15:16 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. Yeah, but you can bet your sweet one that fans of Yes, ELP, Black Sabbath, Al Stewart, Tull, BJH etc would say that they love their music more than life itself ........ --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. In a similar vein > I'm sure there may be some amongst us (or I may be the only one > confessing this...) to > religiously taping the Indie chart rundowns on the chart show, and > whilst there's a large number of these circulating on Youtube > nowadays, there doesn't appear to be the same devotion from the > Dance or Rock Chart fans... > ...just a thought! > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that > there are > > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of > other > > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have > his > > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more > people > > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. > I > > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on > this > > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because I > don't > > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search > for > > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract > the > > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just the > sort > > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe his > shy, > > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that > continued > > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe there's > 1001 > > equally plausible theories. > > > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) > is > > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably > quite a > > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > > > Eddie. > > > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' > more > > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple > fan... > > > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: > 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 16 02:33:10 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:33:10 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just playing this now. Great to hear the Magazine sesh - I was a huge Mag fan, having seen them on "So It Goes", hosted by Tony Wilson. I remember being very excited about the first Magazine album, it was around the time of the 1978 World Cup. Reagards, Lazarus Threlfall Baines (Esq) Thanks Bill ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > This is getting quite interesting now, if you have avoided memorising > the published list, and Peely seems to be enjoying himself. Also my > tapes got better too! > > This is the full 2 hour show broadcast on Thursday 28 December 1978 > encoded at 192kbs mp3 > > Also included aresessions by Alternative TV, Penetration, Slits and > Magazine. > > Part 3 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H > > > > In case you missed them > > Part 2 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW > > (dedicated to Alasdair) > > > Part 3 > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT > > > Bill > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 16 03:01:46 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:01:46 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: <48A5F727.7080903@...> Message-ID: I reckon there was a big listener crossover between Peel, Vance, Freeman esp around 77 to 81, cos its all "rock" ! Its like racism, you've far more in common than differences ..... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that there are > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of other > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have his > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more people > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. I > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on this > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because I don't > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search for > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract the > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just the sort > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe his shy, > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that continued > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe there's 1001 > equally plausible theories. > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) is > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably quite a > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > Eddie. > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' more > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple fan... > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Aug 16 03:26:00 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:26:00 -0000 Subject: Friday Rock Show Message-ID: Fellow Peelites Yes, I listened to the Friday Rock Show ('and now, here's a REAL classic' etc) in tandem with Peel, in the dark, around 1978/9. I regularly participated in the Friday Night Connection (never won though), where Vance played three tracks and you had to guess the connection between them. One such was: * Clash, 'White Man In Hammersmith Palais' * Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, 'Big Shot' * Tubes, 'White Punks On Dope' Anybody care to guess the answer? It took me too long to get it! He also ran a chart which I had on chrome tape for many years (maybe my mum still has it) similar to the Festive Fifty. Tracks I remember from this: * Yes, 'Starship Trooper' * Genesis, 'Supper's Ready' * Derek And The Dominoes, 'Layla' * Rush, 'Xanadu' He also played more than once a Peel session by Queen with a version of 'We Will Rock You' that I've never heard anywhere else. (This will feature on Teenage Kicks very shortly.) Stirred up some memories there, you have! Best wishes Steve [Tenage Kicks] From rushomancy@... Sat Aug 16 06:30:53 2008 From: rushomancy@... (rushomancy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:30:53 -0000 Subject: First-ever Night Ride 1968-03-06 In-Reply-To: <20080815073254.IWMO18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > I do not see how FLAC is any better for a 40 year old > > mono recording. Shoot me down in flames if you must, but > > do it in a friendly way, please. > > I'm with you Steve. I'm ripping tapes as we speak and I'm buggered if I can tell the difference between the mp3 and the flac versions. I know what Peel would have made of the discussion anyway. > > Now where's my Razorcuts flexi gone? Howdy, folks. As a member in good standing of this group for oh, well it must be at least a week, I figure I will throw my two cents in regarding some of the controversies in the group of late. First, regarding FLAC: The notion that FLAC somehow represents a dramatic improvement over a well-ripped MP3 is just not true for most listeners. So given the increased filesize of FLAC files, what is the advantage? Well, to my mind it's mainly that FLAC is an archival format, and I would certainly consider what the fine folks here are doing archival work. That's not to say that the shows shouldn't be made available in MP3 eventually- I think most people would be perfectly happy with it- but already we have had people here talking about speed correction and EQing, processes that necessarily cause lossy encoded files to be further degraded in quality. I'm not some kind of audiophile nut, but given that presumably one of the goals of this is to preserve a part of history, at the very least FLAC files ought to be made available for those who want them. Regarding moving the list over to a web board: Again, I'm not some partisan fanatic with a deep lifelong commitment to Yahoo Groups, especially considering that I only joined last week, but I have observed that the debate over this issue can easily become bitter and divisive. Given that there's already an active and thriving community here and that the mailing list format doesn't seem to have caused any serious problems thus far (the posts in my digest are automatically threaded, which is quite nice), I tend to subscribe to the theory of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Your mileage may, of course, vary! From lists@... Sat Aug 16 09:24:27 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:24:27 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gordon, If you decide to sell that tape deck please let me know. Regards Gary www.30242.net --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > Hi > > Re equalizer probs > > I was in the process of selling my Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck as I have finished converting my tapes but if I can help convert tapes to digi format (via wavelab Steinburg software) let me know. > > The Nakamichi Dragon has auto azimuth but no pitch control. > > Gordon > Leeds > W.Yorkshire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rockerq@... > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! > > Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. > > Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. > > Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! > > In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) > > Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. > > ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: > > Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: > > Roger Carruthers (South Wales) > faggy-fewster (London) > Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) > Jimmy Step (Glasgow) > Dr Mango (Lancashire) > Bill From (North Wales) > Chachaman (Leicestershire) > > Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22 > From lists@... Sat Aug 16 09:24:28 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:24:28 -0000 Subject: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gordon, If you decide to sell that tape deck please let me know. Regards Gary www.30242.net --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > Hi > > Re equalizer probs > > I was in the process of selling my Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck as I have finished converting my tapes but if I can help convert tapes to digi format (via wavelab Steinburg software) let me know. > > The Nakamichi Dragon has auto azimuth but no pitch control. > > Gordon > Leeds > W.Yorkshire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rockerq@... > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! > > Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. > > Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. > > Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! > > In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) > > Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. > > ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: > > Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: > > Roger Carruthers (South Wales) > faggy-fewster (London) > Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) > Jimmy Step (Glasgow) > Dr Mango (Lancashire) > Bill From (North Wales) > Chachaman (Leicestershire) > > Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22 > From robfleay@... Sat Aug 16 13:27:02 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:27:02 +0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show Message-ID: <20080816112705.XEDY18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Ah OK...one more, as I'd accidentally found the end of this show on Tape 5 I figured I might as well rip the whole thing and upload. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_June_1979 The Specials plus Wayne County & The Electric Chairs bot doing their debut sessions for the show. The link to the mp3 are at the bottom of the wiki page. To clear up what I'mn doing with these shows. I am recording the raw wave file to Sonic Foundry Sound Forge and then processing the pitch shift to compensate for the slightly slow tape recorder. I'm then normalising the levels (all the tapes I've listened to so far have been very quiet) and THEN saving to FLAC. I'll send all the FLAC files back to Rocker when I'm done and then if anyone wants to "re-master" anything they can get them from him. I'm then creating a 112kbps mono mp3 for uploading to Mediafire (128k was taking the files just over the 100mb limit imposed on uploads) so that people can actually hear the things. I figured that the majority just want to HEAR them but understanding their is a minority who might want to fiddle with the electronic archived version in the future. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From robfleay@... Sat Aug 16 13:33:38 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:33:38 +0000 Subject: Another Cassette Question Message-ID: <20080816113338.YMAS29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> One of the tapes in the first batch I have from Rocker is a Pinnacle C-120. When I played it, it started out OK but then the speed started to go wonky, like a 7" pressed off centre - every second or so the tape goes slow then speeds up again. I can see that the tape spindles are sticking, and then when I tried to fast forward or rewind it, eventually it ground to a halt. Winding it on with a pencil I can feel that the tape is really tight, SO my question is really what do I do? Any advice appreciated. My Cassette deck is a TEAC V-615 - not exactly top of the range but not bad. Is this tape just beyond help or should we put this in a pile marked "problem children" and let someone more expert than me deal with it? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 14:13:31 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:13:31 -0000 Subject: Another Cassette Question In-Reply-To: <20080816113338.YMAS29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: You need to put the reel in a new cassette shell. I had to do this on a few. See here http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/message/7431 and here http://tiny.cc/1GnIT The old cassette probably does not have screws, so you have to prize it open gently all the way round, starting off at the protect tabs. Or send it back to rocker and he can save all the problem tapes to the end. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > One of the tapes in the first batch I have from Rocker is a Pinnacle C-120. > > When I played it, it started out OK but then the speed started to go wonky, like a 7" pressed off centre - every second or so the tape goes slow then speeds up again. > > I can see that the tape spindles are sticking, and then when I tried to fast forward or rewind it, eventually it ground to a halt. > > Winding it on with a pencil I can feel that the tape is really tight, SO my question is really what do I do? > > Any advice appreciated. My Cassette deck is a TEAC V-615 - not exactly top of the range but not bad. Is this tape just beyond help or should we put this in a pile marked "problem children" and let someone more expert than me deal with it? > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 14:25:28 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:25:28 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: <20080816112705.XEDY18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Excellent Rob, well done. Do you think the taper had gone to FM by this time, since the sound seems better than the 78 tapes, and there is no signal drifting Or the Teac beats the Nakamichi's. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > Ah OK...one more, as I'd accidentally found the end of this show on Tape 5 I figured I might as well rip the whole thing and upload. > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_June_1979 > > The Specials plus Wayne County & The Electric Chairs bot doing their debut sessions for the show. The link to the mp3 are at the bottom of the wiki page. > > To clear up what I'mn doing with these shows. I am recording the raw wave file to Sonic Foundry Sound Forge and then processing the pitch shift to compensate for the slightly slow tape recorder. I'm then normalising the levels (all the tapes I've listened to so far have been very quiet) and THEN saving to FLAC. I'll send all the FLAC files back to Rocker when I'm done and then if anyone wants to "re- master" anything they can get them from him. > > I'm then creating a 112kbps mono mp3 for uploading to Mediafire (128k was taking the files just over the 100mb limit imposed on uploads) so that people can actually hear the things. > > I figured that the majority just want to HEAR them but understanding their is a minority who might want to fiddle with the electronic archived version in the future. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From robfleay@... Sat Aug 16 15:29:06 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:29:06 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show Message-ID: <20080816132906.YDXK18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > Do you think the taper had gone to FM by this time, since the sound > seems better than the 78 tapes, and there is no signal drifting I assumed it was definitely FM (albeit definitely mono)- of the 1979 shows I've done so far, the quality has surprised me. My hazy childhood memories of listening to AM in the late 70's was late night football commentary of mid-week international or european games. Almost unlistenable with the whistling and interference going on. No sign of that at all on the 1979 tapes I've done. As for the dodgy C120 - I think I'll send that one back to Rocker un-ripped and let someone with experience re-case it. I'm petrified of destroying a piece of history! ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 15:39:18 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:39:18 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: <20080816132906.YDXK18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Cheers Rob, and let's keep in touch with the other rippers too so we can get some uniformity, and compare notes. I guess we would all follow cassette>software>speed correction>wav>flac>mp3 as the process Do we have definitive tape numbers yet from Rocker? I guess he has numbered them 1-429, and so we should use his numbers. Do we have a file format yet? I will be using "Peel YYYY-MM-DD" eg Peel 1978-10-31.flac of Peel 1978-11-3.mp3 I don't want to burden the file name with session info or AM of FM, or ripper label, but I was wondering about indicating whether it was full or part show (I guess full means about 90% complete) So we may have Peel 1978-10-31(full).flac or 1978-11-3 (part).mp3 Well this is what I am doing.... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > Do you think the taper had gone to FM by this time, since the sound > > seems better than the 78 tapes, and there is no signal drifting > > I assumed it was definitely FM (albeit definitely mono)- of the 1979 shows I've done so far, the quality has surprised me. > > My hazy childhood memories of listening to AM in the late 70's was late night football commentary of mid-week international or european games. Almost unlistenable with the whistling and interference going on. No sign of that at all on the 1979 tapes I've done. > > As for the dodgy C120 - I think I'll send that one back to Rocker un-ripped and let someone with experience re-case it. I'm petrified of destroying a piece of history! > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 16 16:12:49 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:12:49 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi folks, Just on the numbering point, I've now got hold of a copy of Rocker's spreadsheet -- thanks's Rocker! Let's call it that the tape numbers 1-9 used until now are provisional only and we'll switch in full to Rocker's system. Don't think it should be any kind of problem as we're only nine in so far and these can easily be "re-numbered." Will make necessary adjustments on the Wiki tomorrow, when I've got time and cross- reference everything else. Think it should all be pretty clear. I'll add a section to show those that have been re-numbered, so everyone knows where we are at a glance. I'll also post a list here so things are clear. In the meantime, assume it's OK to post Rocker's current spreadsheet in the file section here. Will do that in a minute. He's sorted basic info for the first 100, including all the ones that have gone out so far, I think. Anyway, it's pretty cool to see what we have to look forward to! For rippers, please feel free to switch to Rocker's system from now on, or just leave the tape numbering issue to one side. Think most people are just keen to hear the shows rather than think about the cataloguing. Thanks again to Rocker, and all the rippers! Cheers, Steve From saipanda@... Sat Aug 16 16:19:50 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:19:50 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, it's up, hopefully. File name is "Bryan's Peel Cassettes.xlsx". Cheers, Steve W From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 16:48:08 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:48:08 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any chance of posting a plain txt version. I can't open that file, even with Microsoft excel viewer --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > OK, it's up, hopefully. File name is "Bryan's Peel Cassettes.xlsx". > > Cheers, > > Steve W > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 16 17:24:44 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:24:44 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A6F13C.6050507@...> Yes, OpenOffice also fails, saying "Unknown or unsupported Excel file format". billfromnorthwales wrote: > > Any chance of posting a plain txt version. > > I can't open that file, even with Microsoft excel viewer > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > "saipanda" wrote: > > > > OK, it's up, hopefully. File name is "Bryan's Peel Cassettes.xlsx". > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve W > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 17:29 > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Aug 16 17:29:58 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:29:58 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Bill It's in Office 2007, which is what might be causing the problem. You need an update from Windows to view it in its original state: however, here is a copy saved in Excel which should work. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=03c6aa3cb24b7585d2db6fb9a8902bda Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > Any chance of posting a plain txt version. > > I can't open that file, even with Microsoft excel viewer > > --- In peel@...m, "saipanda" saipanda@ wrote: > > > > OK, it's up, hopefully. File name is "Bryan's Peel Cassettes.xlsx". > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve W > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 18:38:12 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:38:12 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I have it now. I also put it in the file list at http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/files/ Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Bill > > It's in Office 2007, which is what might be causing the problem. You > need an update from Windows to view it in its original state: however, > here is a copy saved in Excel which should work. > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=03c6aa3cb24b7585d2db6fb9a8902bda > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: > > > > Any chance of posting a plain txt version. > > > > I can't open that file, even with Microsoft excel viewer > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" saipanda@ wrote: > > > > > > OK, it's up, hopefully. File name is "Bryan's Peel Cassettes.xlsx". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Steve W > > > > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Sat Aug 16 18:48:15 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:48:15 -0000 Subject: What is the best free File Hosting site? Message-ID: What is the best free File Hosting site to upload the Peel 400 tapes to? I use Megaupload if you can stand the 45 second wait. Steve uses Mediafire, but that has a 100MB limit. What is the general concensus as the best. Lights blue touch paper and retires..... From lollygagger@... Sat Aug 16 21:10:51 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:10:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6821A91E4A324BEBB2F4DC811D171B51@LAPTOP> Hi Gary I have sent a private message to you about this. If you do not receive this contact me on lollygagger@... ----- Original Message ----- From: llrc057 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:24 AM Subject: [peel] Re: WE HAVE THE TAPES! Hi Gordon, If you decide to sell that tape deck please let me know. Regards Gary www.30242.net --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "lollygagger" wrote: > > Hi > > Re equalizer probs > > I was in the process of selling my Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck as I have finished converting my tapes but if I can help convert tapes to digi format (via wavelab Steinburg software) let me know. > > The Nakamichi Dragon has auto azimuth but no pitch control. > > Gordon > Leeds > W.Yorkshire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rockerq@... > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [peel] WE HAVE THE TAPES! > > > Thanks for your feedbacks! Glad to see no-one reporting problems downloading! > > Rippers! - The Headcleaning thing is important - helluvalotta brown gunk coming off onto my heads and rollers! Never did work out how to adjust azimuth, though! Quite a few of the tapes sound fast - I guess the guy's machine may have run slow, or maybe even a battery deck - either way any opinions on percentage pitch shift would be appreciated as we go along - it may well be that all the tapes are equally fast. > > Keep a note of that link to my iDisk - Will post to list when I update the files but probably only release that address by offlist email in future. You can usually find one or two of my shows for Dandelion Radio on there as well. > > Just ripping another 1978 show - fantastic so far - George Thorogood & the Destroyers; Magazine; Jilted John; The Dickies' bleeped "Eve Of Destruction"; Captain Beefheart ; Steel Pulse; Devo; The Lurkers; Alternative TV session (Peel introducing "The Good Missionary" - "I've used his position for years") - References to "Kid Jerkin" as well as the infamous Radio One Roadshow - brought back memories of what exciting times those were! Thanks to Peelie would hear at least ten new records a week that I would have bought if I could have afforded it! Wish I had now - I wouldn't need to spend (quite) so much on eBay. At the time couldn't even afford not to re-use my cassettes & reels! > > In an update to the "400 tapes" thread - there are actually 427 of the little beggars (and 428 cases, for some reason!) > > Not sure when I'll get time to edit and upload any more as all effort now transfers to preparing my September Dandelion Radio show - which has to be finished by next Monday. > > ALSO - The Special Delivery envelopes arrived today! Will spend this evening packaging up cassettes in bubblewrap - Hopefully will get time tomorrow to sneak out of work to the post office - in which case: > > Rippers - you should expect a package each during the day on Wednesday - will need to be signed for. Here is the current list of Rippers: > > Roger Carruthers (South Wales) > faggy-fewster (London) > Rob Fleay (Derbyshire) > Jimmy Step (Glasgow) > Dr Mango (Lancashire) > Bill From (North Wales) > Chachaman (Leicestershire) > > Will include a special delivery envelope back to me in each package - As soon as I receive the return package (cassettes plus ripped files on CDr or DVDr or USB stick) will send on the next batch (will also return any USB sticks!). > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 09/08/2008 13:22 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 From ready2rock@... Sun Aug 17 03:32:48 2008 From: ready2rock@... (dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:32:48 -0000 Subject: NEW 1995 May 05 Message-ID: Nothing to do with the 400 Box, but while looking for an old mix tape in the basement today I was rummaging around (the dust down there is life threatening ... there's no lengths I won't go thru) and ran across another Peel show - 2 tapes dated 1995-05-05. The result is this new rip from old tapes, probably requested in trade for something back in the day. If it already circulates, sorry for the duplication. If not, initial impressions while ripping were ... not as strong as the 1993 PJHarvey show, but still pretty solid, and seems to be the full braodcast -- with news & adverts -- except for a missing outro at the very end. Sessions are from ROC and Donkey, so someone please check the facts on this date against Ken's book for validity please! I also ran across a tape labeled The Fall Peel birthday BBC -- is this something of interest, or readily available? Enough ramble, here are the links: John Peel Programme 1995 May 05 (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RIXW71VV (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1P6VQGE (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FKVH04F Technicalities (as I recall) VHS > Maxell UR90 > Tascam 112MkIII > Roland UA30 external soundcard > Soundforge > wav > fraunhofer cbr 192 mp3 I just want to add in the few weeks since I've joined, I have thoroughly enjoyed the shows posted & spirit of everyone involved ... Jim out From alan@... Sun Aug 17 09:36:46 2008 From: alan@... (alanforduk) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:36:46 -0000 Subject: NEW 1995 May 05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for these, Jim. The Fall tracks are available here: http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2007/05/fall-john-peels-50th-august- 1989.html Alan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" wrote: > > Nothing to do with the 400 Box, but while looking for an old mix tape > in the basement today I was rummaging around (the dust down there is > life threatening ... there's no lengths I won't go thru) and ran > across another Peel show - 2 tapes dated 1995-05-05. > > The result is this new rip from old tapes, probably requested in > trade for something back in the day. If it already circulates, sorry > for the duplication. If not, initial impressions while ripping > were ... not as strong as the 1993 PJHarvey show, but still pretty > solid, and seems to be the full braodcast -- with news & adverts -- > except for a missing outro at the very end. > > Sessions are from ROC and Donkey, so someone please check the facts > on this date against Ken's book for validity please! > > I also ran across a tape labeled The Fall Peel birthday BBC -- is > this something of interest, or readily available? > > Enough ramble, here are the links: > John Peel Programme 1995 May 05 > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RIXW71VV > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1P6VQGE > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FKVH04F > > Technicalities (as I recall) VHS > Maxell UR90 > Tascam 112MkIII > > Roland UA30 external soundcard > Soundforge > wav > fraunhofer cbr > 192 mp3 > > I just want to add in the few weeks since I've joined, I have > thoroughly enjoyed the shows posted & spirit of everyone involved ... > > Jim out > From vinpinman@... Sun Aug 17 09:40:23 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:40:23 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A lot of Peel bloggers are English teachers living abroad who read the Guardian online. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. In a similar vein > I'm sure there may be some amongst us (or I may be the only one > confessing this...) to > religiously taping the Indie chart rundowns on the chart show, and > whilst there's a large number of these circulating on Youtube > nowadays, there doesn't appear to be the same devotion from the > Dance or Rock Chart fans... > ...just a thought! > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that > there are > > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of > other > > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have > his > > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more > people > > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. > I > > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on > this > > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because I > don't > > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search > for > > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract > the > > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just the > sort > > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe his > shy, > > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that > continued > > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe there's > 1001 > > equally plausible theories. > > > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) > is > > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably > quite a > > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > > > Eddie. > > > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' > more > > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple > fan... > > > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: > 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sun Aug 17 09:54:34 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:54:34 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Adam How dare you!! Me, read the Grauniad??? I'll hef yow now, ets nat troo. I wall bay in tach wuth mi silositeer. ;-)) Birst woshes Steff [Tinoige Cacks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > A lot of Peel bloggers are English teachers living abroad who read > the Guardian online. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, > "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > > > I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. In a similar vein > > I'm sure there may be some amongst us (or I may be the only one > > confessing this...) to > > religiously taping the Indie chart rundowns on the chart show, and > > whilst there's a large number of these circulating on Youtube > > nowadays, there doesn't appear to be the same devotion from the > > Dance or Rock Chart fans... > > ...just a thought! > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that > > there are > > > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of > > other > > > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have > > his > > > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more > > people > > > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. > > I > > > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on > > this > > > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because > I > > don't > > > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search > > for > > > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract > > the > > > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just > the > > sort > > > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe > his > > shy, > > > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that > > continued > > > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe > there's > > 1001 > > > equally plausible theories. > > > > > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) > > is > > > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably > > quite a > > > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' > > more > > > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple > > fan... > > > > > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: > > 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > > > > > > > > From martinw@... Sat Aug 16 22:49:02 2008 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:02 +0100 Subject: Bits And Pieces Message-ID: I notice that at 2AM this morning 6Music are broadcasting a Marc Bolan show from 1970 which includes a Peel interview Also in the early hours of Wednesday morning there is one of the more unlikely Peel sessions by that master of alternative music Billy J Kramer (and I'm sure that the fact that he came from Liverpool didn't in any way influence this!) martinw From thebarguest@... Sun Aug 17 11:37:54 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:37:54 -0000 Subject: NEW 1995 May 05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, thanks for this prog ! About the Fall, I'm sure there was a special birthday show around 1999 or 2000 with live acts inc the Mighty F. I tried to tape it in a hotel room on a little mono radio/cass but it went wrong... Even if its from 89, the whole show would be nice ! Bye John Quays --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "alanforduk" wrote: > > Thanks for these, Jim. > > The Fall tracks are available here: > > http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2007/05/fall-john-peels-50th- august- > 1989.html > > Alan > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" > wrote: > > > > Nothing to do with the 400 Box, but while looking for an old mix > tape > > in the basement today I was rummaging around (the dust down there > is > > life threatening ... there's no lengths I won't go thru) and ran > > across another Peel show - 2 tapes dated 1995-05-05. > > > > The result is this new rip from old tapes, probably requested in > > trade for something back in the day. If it already circulates, > sorry > > for the duplication. If not, initial impressions while ripping > > were ... not as strong as the 1993 PJHarvey show, but still pretty > > solid, and seems to be the full braodcast -- with news & adverts - - > > except for a missing outro at the very end. > > > > Sessions are from ROC and Donkey, so someone please check the facts > > on this date against Ken's book for validity please! > > > > I also ran across a tape labeled The Fall Peel birthday BBC -- is > > this something of interest, or readily available? > > > > Enough ramble, here are the links: > > John Peel Programme 1995 May 05 > > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RIXW71VV > > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1P6VQGE > > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FKVH04F > > > > Technicalities (as I recall) VHS > Maxell UR90 > Tascam 112MkIII > > > Roland UA30 external soundcard > Soundforge > wav > fraunhofer cbr > > 192 mp3 > > > > I just want to add in the few weeks since I've joined, I have > > thoroughly enjoyed the shows posted & spirit of everyone > involved ... > > > > Jim out > > > From saipanda@... Sun Aug 17 13:27:51 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:27:51 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hold my hand up to living abroad and reading the Guardian online, but not to being an English teacher. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Adam > > How dare you!! Me, read the Grauniad??? I'll hef yow now, ets nat > troo. I wall bay in tach wuth mi silositeer. ;-)) > > Birst woshes > Steff [Tinoige Cacks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > A lot of Peel bloggers are English teachers living abroad who read > > the Guardian online. > > From eddie.duffy@... Sun Aug 17 14:00:40 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:00:40 +0100 Subject: [peel] NEW 1995 May 05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A812E8.1070708@...> Thanks Jim. Yes, according to TPS the date of this show is correct as marked. Eddie. dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin wrote: > > Nothing to do with the 400 Box, but while looking for an old mix tape > in the basement today I was rummaging around (the dust down there is > life threatening ... there's no lengths I won't go thru) and ran > across another Peel show - 2 tapes dated 1995-05-05. > > The result is this new rip from old tapes, probably requested in > trade for something back in the day. If it already circulates, sorry > for the duplication. If not, initial impressions while ripping > were ... not as strong as the 1993 PJHarvey show, but still pretty > solid, and seems to be the full braodcast -- with news & adverts -- > except for a missing outro at the very end. > > Sessions are from ROC and Donkey, so someone please check the facts > on this date against Ken's book for validity please! > > I also ran across a tape labeled The Fall Peel birthday BBC -- is > this something of interest, or readily available? > > Enough ramble, here are the links: > John Peel Programme 1995 May 05 > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RIXW71VV > > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1P6VQGE > > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FKVH04F > > > Technicalities (as I recall) VHS > Maxell UR90 > Tascam 112MkIII > > Roland UA30 external soundcard > Soundforge > wav > fraunhofer cbr > 192 mp3 > > I just want to add in the few weeks since I've joined, I have > thoroughly enjoyed the shows posted & spirit of everyone involved ... > > Jim out > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 15/08/2008 17:29 > From saipanda@... Mon Aug 18 00:39:14 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:39:14 -0000 Subject: Tape Renumbering Message-ID: Hi folks, Have introduced a new numbering system on the Wiki so we can work off the same numbers as Rocker's spreadsheet. Further details here: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box (The page is under construction still, but hope the idea is starting to look clear.) On the renumbering, after consulting the spreadsheet, I've come to the following provisional conclusions. Rippers themselves might be able to confirm details. Former Tape 1 is now T001 Former Tape 2 is now T002 Former Tape 3 is now T074 Former Tape 4 is now T049 (Rocker spreadsheet suggests 31 October 1978 also from T050) Former Tape 5 is now T095 (Rocker spreadsheet doesn't include start of 18 June 1979 mentioned by RobF) Former Tape 6 is now T096 Former Tape 7 is now T097 Former Tape 8 is now T099 (June 28 1979 not shared yet) Former Tape 9 is now T094 (but start of show from T095) Please contact me with any corrections off-list and I can always put together a final renumbering update. Cheers, Steve W From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 18 06:15:00 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:15:00 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was referring to myself too! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Dear Adam > > How dare you!! Me, read the Grauniad??? I'll hef yow now, ets nat > troo. I wall bay in tach wuth mi silositeer. ;-)) > > Birst woshes > Steff [Tinoige Cacks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > > > A lot of Peel bloggers are English teachers living abroad who read > > the Guardian online. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, > > "theallnewadventuresofspp" wrote: > > > > > > I've a feeling it's largely to do with the music. In a similar vein > > > I'm sure there may be some amongst us (or I may be the only one > > > confessing this...) to > > > religiously taping the Indie chart rundowns on the chart show, and > > > whilst there's a large number of these circulating on Youtube > > > nowadays, there doesn't appear to be the same devotion from the > > > Dance or Rock Chart fans... > > > ...just a thought! > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes mate, I've occasionally wondered that myself. I know that > > > there are > > > > various 'aircheck' collections out there, and tape trading of > > > other > > > > radio shows does take place. And every trader will naturally have > > > his > > > > own favourite DJs. But it seems that, in the UK at least, more > > > people > > > > taped Peel, and kept the tapes, than for just about any other DJ. > > > I > > > > seriously think that there's a thesis waiting to be written on > > > this > > > > subject (a good one for one of Ken's students, perhaps), because > > I > > > don't > > > > think there's an easy answer. Maybe something about Peel's search > > > for > > > > the different, elusive and wonderful new sounds tended to attract > > > the > > > > type of obsessive personalities (99.9% male) who would be just > > the > > > sort > > > > to squirrel away their own recordings of the man's work. Maybe > > his > > > shy, > > > > blokey decency hit a chord with disaffected bookish youth that > > > continued > > > > to resonate with many of them through adulthood. But maybe > > there's > > > 1001 > > > > equally plausible theories. > > > > > > > > The only comparable UK DJ I can think of (as regards collectors) > > > is > > > > probably Everett, but I'd hazard a guess that there are probably > > > quite a > > > > few Alan Freed and Wolfman Jack collectors across the Pond. > > > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Itsmeagain (whatevershebringswesing) ! > > > > > > > > > > I was just thinking, why there don't seem to be any groups > > > > > like this (or blogs) discussing and sharing old rock radio > > > > > from the likes of Vance and Freeman ....... > > > > > > > > > > Maybe its because 'generally' Peel is mainly associated with > > > > > new-wave/indie music and those followers were/are 'generally' > > > more > > > > > middle-class (and better educated) and therefore more likely to > > > > > make blogs etc. than your average Status Quo or Deep Purple > > > fan... > > > > > > > > > > ps just listening to this 400Box show imagining I'm lying in a > > > > > tent in the Lake Distict, unable to get FM on my radio, high on > > > > > several pints of real ale and perhaps a toke or 5 ! Try it .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1611 - Release Date: > > > 14/08/2008 06:20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 18 06:18:11 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:18:11 -0000 Subject: What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MEGAUPLOAD has just been banned in Turkey, along with YouTube, so please find an alternative!!!!! Divshare is OK but there is a monthly 'allowance' of 10gb of downloads - nothing to stop you having multiple accounts, though. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > What is the best free File Hosting site to upload the Peel 400 tapes to? > > I use Megaupload if you can stand the 45 second wait. > > Steve uses Mediafire, but that has a 100MB limit. > > What is the general concensus as the best. > > Lights blue touch paper and retires..... > From saipanda@... Mon Aug 18 06:23:33 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:23:33 -0000 Subject: Other Rock Radio Groups/Blogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should perhaps add that some of my best friends are English teachers! Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > I was referring to myself too! > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > Dear Adam > > > > How dare you!! Me, read the Grauniad??? I'll hef yow now, ets nat > > troo. I wall bay in tach wuth mi silositeer. ;-)) > > > > Birst woshes > > Steff [Tinoige Cacks] > > From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 18 13:14:23 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:14:23 -0000 Subject: NEW 1995 May 05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this one, Jim. That was a great time in my life, i.e. one of the periods when I was listening to Peel and other good stuff was going on too. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin" wrote: > > Nothing to do with the 400 Box, but while looking for an old mix tape > in the basement today I was rummaging around (the dust down there is > life threatening ... there's no lengths I won't go thru) and ran > across another Peel show - 2 tapes dated 1995-05-05. > > The result is this new rip from old tapes, probably requested in > trade for something back in the day. If it already circulates, sorry > for the duplication. If not, initial impressions while ripping > were ... not as strong as the 1993 PJHarvey show, but still pretty > solid, and seems to be the full braodcast -- with news & adverts - - > except for a missing outro at the very end. > > Sessions are from ROC and Donkey, so someone please check the facts > on this date against Ken's book for validity please! > > I also ran across a tape labeled The Fall Peel birthday BBC -- is > this something of interest, or readily available? > > Enough ramble, here are the links: > John Peel Programme 1995 May 05 > (Tape 1 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RIXW71VV > (Tape 1 Side 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1P6VQGE > (Tape 2 Side 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9FKVH04F > > Technicalities (as I recall) VHS > Maxell UR90 > Tascam 112MkIII > > Roland UA30 external soundcard > Soundforge > wav > fraunhofer cbr > 192 mp3 > > I just want to add in the few weeks since I've joined, I have > thoroughly enjoyed the shows posted & spirit of everyone involved ... > > Jim out > From thebarguest@... Mon Aug 18 13:37:30 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:37:30 -0000 Subject: Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: <20080816132906.YDXK18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Yeah, what a nice surprise that the 790625 show is very good (almost certainly FM) quality !! I'm not bothered about stereo/mono ; I prefer good mono to average/poor stereo that may be slightly hissy ....... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > Do you think the taper had gone to FM by this time, since the sound > > seems better than the 78 tapes, and there is no signal drifting > > I assumed it was definitely FM (albeit definitely mono)- of the 1979 shows I've done so far, the quality has surprised me. > > My hazy childhood memories of listening to AM in the late 70's was late night football commentary of mid-week international or european games. Almost unlistenable with the whistling and interference going on. No sign of that at all on the 1979 tapes I've done. > > As for the dodgy C120 - I think I'll send that one back to Rocker un-ripped and let someone with experience re-case it. I'm petrified of destroying a piece of history! > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From rushomancy@... Mon Aug 18 15:32:27 2008 From: rushomancy@... (rushomancy) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:32:27 -0000 Subject: What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "vinpinman" wrote: > > MEGAUPLOAD has just been banned in Turkey, along with YouTube, so > please find an alternative!!!!! Divshare is OK but there is a monthly > 'allowance' of 10gb of downloads - nothing to stop you having multiple > accounts, though. > I am sorry that you live under such a restrictive government. If it is of any help, technology is pretty grand and there are a lot of different ways around government Internet censorship, as the people of Italy are finding out! I recommend a program called "Tor". I'm assuming that eventually someone will put together a new batch of torrents as an update to the 17 DVD pack, but given that people are in the middle of this huge influx of new shows it would make little sense to do it now. Personally I have been holding off on getting any new shows for the moment, aside from the Kat's Karavan stuff, just because I am a sucker for old hippy music, but there's no question that I'll grab them all eventually! From grafpoo@... Mon Aug 18 15:50:38 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:50:38 -0400 Subject: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 18 18:35:34 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <378053.20691.qm@...> I'll give another nod to the Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel it's fully-searchable, public-funded, easy-to-use and pleasantly-beige rob > > john > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM, billfromnorthwales < > billfromnorthwales@...> wrote: > > > What is the best free File Hosting site to upload > the Peel 400 tapes to? > > > > I use Megaupload if you can stand the 45 second wait. > > > > Steve uses Mediafire, but that has a 100MB limit. > > > > What is the general concensus as the best. > > > > Lights blue touch paper and retires..... > > > > > > From grafpoo@... Mon Aug 18 23:11:34 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: <378053.20691.qm@...> References: <378053.20691.qm@...> Message-ID: From tb666xx@... Mon Aug 18 23:19:46 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <320906.65991.qm@...> so I'm sure we've been here before... but I wonder if there is a place where we can collectively upload all of our files to - so we can make some kind of cohesive database in one place? I wonder how many gigs it would add up to? I am downloading shows as people post them, but am already starting to lose track..... it would be great to host them all together.... I sure collectively the amount of money would be quite small?.... these free sites tend to be very short term..... I'll look into it... --- On Mon, 8/18/08, john guthrie wrote: > From: john guthrie > Subject: Re: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 10:11 PM > i thought about that too, but i suspect you cannot post > radio shows there. i > am betting there are copyright issues. > > it'd be great if that is not the case - links won't > expire, more exposure > .... > > john > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Robert Ward > wrote: > > > > > I'll give another nod to the Internet Archive > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel > > > > it's fully-searchable, public-funded, easy-to-use > and pleasantly-beige > > > > rob > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM, > billfromnorthwales < > > > billfromnorthwales@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > What is the best free File Hosting site to > upload > > > the Peel 400 tapes to? > > > > > > > > I use Megaupload if you can stand the 45 > second wait. > > > > > > > > Steve uses Mediafire, but that has a 100MB > limit. > > > > > > > > What is the general concensus as the best. > > > > > > > > Lights blue touch paper and retires..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ken_garner@... Mon Aug 18 23:31:58 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:31:58 -0000 Subject: Tapes 5-8 Something For The Weekend? In-Reply-To: <20080815172005.RVPH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > Added to the wiki site now with full tracklistings and mp3's hosted on mediafire > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/25_June_1979 > Roger Chapman live session and Tubeway Army's 2nd session. > *Note to Ken - I think I discovered a big error in your book! This session is listed under Michael Chapman!!Sorry (and only the second show I digitised...) oh crap. What a naff mistake to make. You are quite right. I have done some archeaology on my research and I think I know where I went wrong. Note I have it right in the shows index (where incidentally it does also say 'Gary NUman and Tubeway Army', but i simplified it for the main sessionogaphy index evidently) as Roger Chapman. This was one I discovered in the Pasb microfilmed programme scripts in written archives in March/April 79. My handwritten note scribbled on my shows draft says "private tape" , as written on the front page of the script, no recording date) and I found only those 2 tracks listed in the PasB (but I may have missed the medley), and that's all i could find out. I do not think this is in the R1 archive, but I will ask Hannah tomorrow. Private Tape could mean almost anything, but in this case it is obviously a supplied live concert tape, not recorded by the BBC. Where did it slip up the page, under Michael, not Roger Chapman? This must have happened in the editing and conversion process, because it is correct in my final exec doc from 11 July 07, but wrong in my word version of 17th of the same month. My fault , though, can't blame the printers for this one... k From r0bertward@... Mon Aug 18 23:51:37 2008 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <330162.10524.qm@...> on the question of copyright, the site hosts several years worth of a pop music show called "crap from the past" http://www.crapfromthepast.com/archives/index.htm --- On Mon, 8/18/08, john guthrie wrote: > From: john guthrie > Subject: Re: [peel] What is the best free File Hosting site? > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 10:11 PM > i thought about that too, but i suspect you cannot post > radio shows there. i > am betting there are copyright issues. > > it'd be great if that is not the case - links won't > expire, more exposure > .... > > john > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Robert Ward > wrote: > > > > > I'll give another nod to the Internet Archive > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/John_Peel > > > > it's fully-searchable, public-funded, easy-to-use > and pleasantly-beige > > > > rob > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM, > billfromnorthwales < > > > billfromnorthwales@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > What is the best free File Hosting site to > upload > > > the Peel 400 tapes to? > > > > > > > > I use Megaupload if you can stand the 45 > second wait. > > > > > > > > Steve uses Mediafire, but that has a 100MB > limit. > > > > > > > > What is the general concensus as the best. > > > > > > > > Lights blue touch paper and retires..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From saipanda@... Tue Aug 19 05:20:14 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:20:14 -0000 Subject: What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: <320906.65991.qm@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks wrote: > > ? I am downloading shows as people post them, but am already starting to lose track..... Hoping that keeping track of the shows is one of the potential uses of the Wiki. Have tried to give an overview on the page below (still under construction and work ongoing). Details on the shows shared when you click through on the date links in the list near the top. http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box Cheers, Steve W From grafpoo@... Tue Aug 19 12:17:57 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:17:57 -0400 Subject: [peel] Tape 9 - 18 June 1979 complete show In-Reply-To: <20080816112705.XEDY18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080816112705.XEDY18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: From thebarguest@... Tue Aug 19 17:50:10 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:50:10 -0000 Subject: Prince Far I on the 790625 show Message-ID: Wow - this has to be "the" best ever reggae song ! It's at 70:55 (minutes, secs) on the show. It consists of cattle noises encased in a superb dubby beat/rhythm and is both funny and exhilarating...... Trust Peely and Mr Walters to pick the best track off the album ; I first heard it on a Frontline sampler around 1980 - its great to hear it on a radio show after all these years ! Peely says he can't pronounce the name of the song so I can't tell you what its called ........ From saipanda@... Tue Aug 19 18:26:58 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:26:58 -0000 Subject: Prince Far I on the 790625 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In the middle of a work thing right now so can't do this myself, but if you might be able to narrow it down from the length of the track: http://www.discogs.com/release/737676 Alan did a similar job for the Argentinean/Chilean one the other day. Then try and find either a download, clip from a retailer, youtube link, whatever. Was hoping the album would be on emusic, but they only have the first volume. No doubt it's floating around somewhere. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Wow - this has to be "the" best ever reggae song ! > It's at 70:55 (minutes, secs) on the show. > > It consists of cattle noises encased in a superb dubby > beat/rhythm and is both funny and exhilarating...... > > Trust Peely and Mr Walters to pick the best track off the > album ; I first heard it on a Frontline sampler around 1980 - > its great to hear it on a radio show after all these years ! > > Peely says he can't pronounce the name of the song so > I can't tell you what its called ........ > From saipanda@... Tue Aug 19 18:33:52 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:52 -0000 Subject: Prince Far I on the 790625 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Wow - this has to be "the" best ever reggae song ! > It's at 70:55 (minutes, secs) on the show. > > It consists of cattle noises encased in a superb dubby > beat/rhythm and is both funny and exhilarating...... > > Trust Peely and Mr Walters to pick the best track off the > album ; I first heard it on a Frontline sampler around 1980 - > its great to hear it on a radio show after all these years ! > > Peely says he can't pronounce the name of the song so > I can't tell you what its called ........ > Just found: The tracks are streamed here: http://www.princefari.com/main.htm Steve W From thebarguest@... Tue Aug 19 18:56:39 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:56:39 -0000 Subject: Prince Far I on the 790625 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well done Steve ! Its called "Suru-Lere Dub" - no wonder he didn't try to pronounce it ! And its on the album "Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Part 2" (1979) ...... Great album but the songs are too short (should be 7 mins instead of 3 - its dub reggae for God's sake) ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > Wow - this has to be "the" best ever reggae song ! > > It's at 70:55 (minutes, secs) on the show. > > > > It consists of cattle noises encased in a superb dubby > > beat/rhythm and is both funny and exhilarating...... > > > > Trust Peely and Mr Walters to pick the best track off the > > album ; I first heard it on a Frontline sampler around 1980 - > > its great to hear it on a radio show after all these years ! > > > > Peely says he can't pronounce the name of the song so > > I can't tell you what its called ........ > > > Just found: > > The tracks are streamed here: > http://www.princefari.com/main.htm > > Steve W > From saipanda@... Tue Aug 19 20:24:56 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:24:56 -0000 Subject: Prince Far I on the 790625 show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, great. Thanks for checking it out. Have put the name in the Wiki listing. Look forward to listening to the show -- especially that track. Always liked Prince Far I. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Well done Steve ! > > Its called "Suru-Lere Dub" - no wonder he > didn't try to pronounce it ! And its on the album > "Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Part 2" (1979) ...... > From tb666xx@... Tue Aug 19 23:14:10 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: What is the best free File Hosting site? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13661.27374.qm@...> great... thats exactly what I need...thanks!!! --- On Tue, 8/19/08, saipanda wrote: > From: saipanda > Subject: [peel] Re: What is the best free File Hosting site? > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:20 AM > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks > wrote: > > > > ? I am downloading shows as people post them, but am > already starting to lose track..... > > Hoping that keeping track of the shows is one of the > potential uses of the Wiki. Have tried to > give an overview on the page below (still under > construction and work ongoing). Details on > the shows shared when you click through on the date links > in the list near the top. > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From markbursa@... Wed Aug 20 14:57:38 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:57:38 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Prince Far I on the 790625 show Message-ID: >>Hey, great. Thanks for checking it out. Have put the name in the Wiki listing. Look forward to listening to the show -- especially that track. Always liked Prince Far I.<< Prince Far I produced the greatest BBC4 continuity gaffe - introducing an upcoming Peel show, the plummy-voiced annoucer spake thus: "And on the John Peel Show tonight, there's music from The Fall, the Undertones and Prince Far the First..." Mark From wewalkforonereason@... Wed Aug 20 15:04:26 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:04:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Prince Far I on the 790625 show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/8/20 : > >>>Hey, great. Thanks for checking it out. Have put the name in the Wiki >>> listing. Look forward to > listening to the show -- especially that track. Always liked Prince Far I.<< > > > Prince Far I produced the greatest BBC4 continuity gaffe - introducing an > upcoming Peel show, the plummy-voiced annoucer spake thus: > > "And on the John Peel Show tonight, there's music from The Fall, the > Undertones and Prince Far the First..." I watched the BBC News 24 presenter talking about "Jay Zed" the day after his performance at this years Glastonbury. Jay-Z's, that is, not Prince Far I's. Obviously. From dr_mango2004@... Thu Aug 21 20:57:57 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: John Peel 8 January 1979 (new download) In-Reply-To: <2485.80403.qm@...> Message-ID: <597088.9528.qm@...> Hi everyone. It took me a few days to get things into gear, but I'm now ready to share the first fruits of the 400 tapes that were sent to me to digitise. Rather than rip the oldest tape I was sent, I went for the show from 8 Jan 1979 as Peel played a song by one of my favourite groups, Television Personalties, and I was keen to hear what he said about it! This isn't the complete show, it's 1 hr 21 mins of it. Sessions come from the Damned and Fingerprintz. The missing 40 mins don't appear to be on any of the other tapes I've been sent, but if I find them I'll remaster the recording. The source seems to be FM mono again. I've converted it to a 112 kbps mono recording as per the other recent recordings. I'd be grateful for any feedback regarding the sound of the conversion. If anyone has any EQ tips for WaveLab, I'm keen to hear from them. My setup: Technics RS-AZ6 > Steinberg WaveLab Lite ver. 2.52 > wav > 112kbps mono mp3 using DB Power Amp. Mp3 download (65.56 Mb) http://sharebee.com/12d76a1d Wiki entry with track listing (Tape 058): http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/08_January_1979 Cassette and track listing photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29282855@N02/2784948782/ Regards, Dr M. PS Joe Cocker??! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From tb666xx@... Thu Aug 21 21:47:08 2008 From: tb666xx@... (Tim Brooks) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: <597088.9528.qm@...> Message-ID: <295414.70626.qm@...> anyone know who has this in the states??? been waiting for it to turn up here to no avail...can I order direct from you ken??? let me know... Timxx ps.thanks to all the tape rippers... just finished the oct 31st 79 show.... fantastic stuff.. From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 22 01:41:43 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:41:43 -0000 Subject: Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: <295414.70626.qm@...> Message-ID: My understanding is you should be able to order it from amazon.com or other internet book stores. I am not selling copies direct, sorry: I got into enough tricky correspondence and scrapes when I foolishly offered some of my remaindered copies of In Session Tonight for sale privately! Thanks for the interest k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks wrote: > > anyone know who has this in the states??? been waiting for it to turn up here to no avail...can I order direct from you ken??? let me know... Timxx > ps.thanks to all the tape rippers... just finished the oct 31st 79 show.... fantastic stuff.. > From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 22 03:57:52 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:57:52 -0000 Subject: "Coming up, the midnight news summary..." Message-ID: Well I've finally completed my first rip of my (modest) collection of my own originated complete (or nearly complete) Peel shows, so here it is, a timely surprise for this weekend. I won't say any more about what this show was / represented / contains, or why I chose to do this one first for right now, but it will become obvious, especially if you listen from the start of the sports news. Loaded into itunes the 3 parts will flow together pretty well, but after first listening all the way through once (I really think you might like the completeness of the experience, given the context), you can always detach / discard the first part and just archive parts b and c. I was taping back then using one of those mains plug timers with the pins for 15 min periods, so I must have known I'd be out at the start, and the tape kicked in 5 minutes early. If I get a chance I'll do a full tracklisting for the wiki site over the weekend, but for now, just enjoy it. There will be about half a dozen more like this between now and end October, I hope. Below is a summary of the route technically. I had to switch the dolby B back on (I suspect like many, until I got a top flight tape deck in 1990 or so I tended to tape with dolby on and playback with dolby off, in the car / walkman etc) because the first go was very hissy. This is my third attempt using different settings etc, and the one that came out sounding closest to the tape, so there. I just look away from the screen and wing the EQ right up and right down, then back up slowly till it sounds right. Shocking, isn't it? Let me know how it sounds. I monitored using various closed / open / in-ear headphones and playout systems, but am assuming most people, like me, will probably listen on an ipod/mp3 player, or a desktop computer linked to a reasonable stereo, but probably not a real audiophile setup. The feature I really like in the software I got is the graphic, neat little kicking analog VU meters: now that, I can understand. ken TDK D120 recorded on Aiwa deck model forgotten / playback on TEAC W6000R with Dolby B & pitch control at +5% / Apple Mac Book / Audio Hijack Pro v2.8.3 / 320 kbps stereo mp3 CBR / EQ settings: 2 khz +4%, 4 khz + 5%, 8 khz +5%, 16 khz +3% ~ Peel 1988-09-28a, R2 Sports Desk & R1 10pm news bulletin, 7' 34", 17.3MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9D8W6ZF4 Peel 1988-09-28b, 56' 15", 128.7MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C2YC5BZY Peel 1988-09-28c, incl. start of midnight news, 1hr 03' 53", 146.2MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NHDOWC68 From markbursa@... Fri Aug 22 04:02:32 2008 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:02:32 EDT Subject: [peel] "Coming up, the midnight news summary..." Message-ID: >>I was taping back then using one of those mains plug timers with the pins for 15 min periods, so I must have known I'd be out at the start, and the tape kicked in 5 minutes early.<< Ha! I used to do exactly the same thing. With exactly the same sort of timer plug! Stick in a C120 and try to get back from the pub in time to flip the tape! How I wish I'd had an inexhaustible supply of C120s... but no, I had three of them, and just edited down the session tracks on to a second cassette... Mark From jimmystep@... Fri Aug 22 11:13:18 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] John Peel 8 January 1979 (new download) In-Reply-To: <597088.9528.qm@...> Message-ID: <449124.4466.qm@...> --- On Thu, 21/8/08, Dr Mango wrote: Wiki entry with track listing (Tape 058): http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/08_January_1979 Cassette and track listing photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29282855@N02/2784948782/ Regards, Dr M. Thanks Dr Mango, Medicine Head & The Damned, two of the most played artists on my mp3 player. Good old Peelie. Cheers....Jimmy Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 22 12:46:22 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:46:22 -0000 Subject: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK I give up! What's the connection?? Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > Yes, I listened to the Friday Rock Show ('and now, here's a REAL > classic' etc) in tandem with Peel, in the dark, around 1978/9. I > regularly participated in the Friday Night Connection (never won > though), where Vance played three tracks and you had to guess the > connection between them. One such was: > * Clash, 'White Man In Hammersmith Palais' > * Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, 'Big Shot' > * Tubes, 'White Punks On Dope' > Anybody care to guess the answer? It took me too long to get it! > He also ran a chart which I had on chrome tape for many years (maybe > my mum still has it) similar to the Festive Fifty. Tracks I remember > from this: > * Yes, 'Starship Trooper' > * Genesis, 'Supper's Ready' > * Derek And The Dominoes, 'Layla' > * Rush, 'Xanadu' > He also played more than once a Peel session by Queen with a version > of 'We Will Rock You' that I've never heard anywhere else. (This will > feature on Teenage Kicks very shortly.) > Stirred up some memories there, you have! > > Best wishes > Steve [Tenage Kicks] > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 22 12:53:51 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:53:51 -0000 Subject: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was this useful? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay too > fast. > > Now speed corrected, and sounds OK > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 > > Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is > called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 > > For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct > before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file > > Bill > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 22 13:23:09 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:23:09 -0000 Subject: "Coming up, the midnight news summary..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just downloaded and heard a bit. Sounds real good quality - Thanks Ken. Don't know why you had so much hiss? Usually that technique of recording with Dolby B on, and playing back with Dolby off gives a nice little treble boost without too much hiss. Anyway, now comes the bit I like best...playing the full 2 hour show, and getting all the surprises as they come along, not least what the news and sport were on that day Bill --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > Well I've finally completed my first rip of my (modest) collection of my own originated > complete (or nearly complete) Peel shows, so here it is, a timely surprise for this weekend. > I won't say any more about what this show was / represented / contains, or why I chose to > do this one first for right now, but it will become obvious, especially if you listen from the > start of the sports news. Loaded into itunes the 3 parts will flow together pretty well, but > after first listening all the way through once (I really think you might like the completeness > of the experience, given the context), you can always detach / discard the first part and > just archive parts b and c. I was taping back then using one of those mains plug timers > with the pins for 15 min periods, so I must have known I'd be out at the start, and the > tape kicked in 5 minutes early. If I get a chance I'll do a full tracklisting for the wiki site > over the weekend, but for now, just enjoy it. There will be about half a dozen more like > this between now and end October, I hope. Below is a summary of the route technically. I > had to switch the dolby B back on (I suspect like many, until I got a top flight tape deck in > 1990 or so I tended to tape with dolby on and playback with dolby off, in the car / > walkman etc) because the first go was very hissy. This is my third attempt using different > settings etc, and the one that came out sounding closest to the tape, so there. I just look > away from the screen and wing the EQ right up and right down, then back up slowly till it > sounds right. Shocking, isn't it? Let me know how it sounds. I monitored using various > closed / open / in-ear headphones and playout systems, but am assuming most people, > like me, will probably listen on an ipod/mp3 player, or a desktop computer linked to a > reasonable stereo, but probably not a real audiophile setup. The feature I really like in the > software I got is the graphic, neat little kicking analog VU meters: now that, I can > understand. > ken > > TDK D120 recorded on Aiwa deck model forgotten / playback on TEAC W6000R with > Dolby B & pitch control at +5% / Apple Mac Book / Audio Hijack Pro v2.8.3 / 320 kbps > stereo mp3 CBR / EQ settings: 2 khz +4%, 4 khz + 5%, 8 khz +5%, 16 khz +3% > ~ > > Peel 1988-09-28a, R2 Sports Desk & R1 10pm news bulletin, 7' 34", 17.3MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9D8W6ZF4 > > Peel 1988-09-28b, 56' 15", 128.7MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C2YC5BZY > > Peel 1988-09-28c, incl. start of midnight news, 1hr 03' 53", 146.2MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NHDOWC68 > From esinclai@... Fri Aug 22 13:25:23 2008 From: esinclai@... (Eric Sinclair) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:25:23 -0500 Subject: [peel] Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: <295414.70626.qm@...> Message-ID: <20080822114543.4043168CD7@...> I can confirm Ken's statement - I ordered from the US amazon.com with on problems a few months back. -Eric ------- Original message ------- From: Tim Brooks To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 21.8.'08, 14:47 > anyone know who has this in the states??? been waiting for it to turn up here to no avail...can I order direct from you ken??? let me know... Timxx > ps.thanks to all the tape rippers... just finished the oct 31st 79 show.... fantastic stuff.. > > > From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 22 14:08:43 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:08:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32059.195.14.18.20.1219406923.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@195.14.18.20> Yes, very much so, thanks Bill. I've just compared and contrasted them and yours is a marked improvement. Thanks also to D. Mango, Ken and everyone else who's been supplying tapes in what is becoming a bumper year. There'll be a few more from me soon, as I've just encoded the first four C90s from the box of 200 tapes from the late 90s and 2000 I won on eBay last year. So I suppose I'd better start a '200 Box' section on the wiki as well. Eddie. > Was this useful? > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: >> >> >> >> This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay > too >> fast. >> >> Now speed corrected, and sounds OK >> >> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 >> >> Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is >> called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 >> >> For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct >> before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file >> >> Bill >> > > > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 22 15:07:07 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:07:07 -0000 Subject: 14th May 1981 Speed corrected In-Reply-To: <32059.195.14.18.20.1219406923.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@195.14.18.20> Message-ID: Yeah, many thanks indeed to all the rippers and others bringing us all these shows. It's been really great so far. Further to Eddie's point, I was thinking it might be an idea to have a Wiki page to keep track of new "non-400 Box" uploads on here (eg, Ken's one today). Should be pretty easy to sort out. Leaving that aside, though, a whole new "200 Box" of treats definitely deserves its own dedicated page. Sounds like it covers a period for which there seem to be relatively few shows available at the moment. For starters, I'd really love to hear a lot more of the Peelenium rundown. Cheers, Steve W > > There'll be a few more from me soon, as I've just encoded the first four > C90s from the box of 200 tapes from the late 90s and 2000 I won on eBay > last year. So I suppose I'd better start a '200 Box' section on the wiki > as well. > > Eddie. > > > Was this useful? > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> This is an old show I picked up, but the version I got was waaaay > > too > >> fast. > >> > >> Now speed corrected, and sounds OK > >> > >> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OKVTM6C0 > >> > >> Purists amongs you will hear a slight phasing, which I beleive is > >> called aliasing, and is what happens when you re-sample an mp3 > >> > >> For all the 400 tape digistiser out there.... please speed correct > >> before it gets to mp3 stage, ie when still a wav file > >> > >> Bill > >> > > > > > > > From bill.spiby@... Fri Aug 22 20:43:17 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (spib2003) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:43:17 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! Message-ID: Hi everyone, Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in the version broadcast and then also in any version released or broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the answer to Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive Fifty broadcast? More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the versions broadcast? And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames (that's why I'm listing them). John Peel Festive 50 1976 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed does during the 78FF Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty broadcast] Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from there for 78FF broadcast] 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes Has to be from Meddle (23.21) 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is identical Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). Was it available in UK? 6 Free – All Right Now Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before 78FF] Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) BBC In Concert version (again any details?) Live version on Free Live! (6.24) 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They Probably from Downtown Tonight Eligible: Peel Session 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP plays in the 78FF. An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also (12.28) 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even get the run out groove? 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and that JP would have played it from one of these. Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the 78FF 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer This has to be from Zuma (7.29) 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude Has to be the single version (7.05) 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is identical despite name change. Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight Return but assuming it is that version. 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever Has to be the single version (4.10) 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) (again depending on when vote took place) The Top Gear session (6.09) The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' at this point. I don't think so. 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing live single is identical. 21 Van Morrison – Madame George Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF broadcast. Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in run up to 78FF Eligible: single edit (4.35) 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I think there the same. Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can anyone confirm? 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed version played in run-up to 78FF 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I think the single is the same version. Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) depending on when voting took place 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up Eligible: single edit (3.38) 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun Got to be the single version 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry Probably the version from Live! Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman only Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when reissued with the above 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May I'm guessing the single (5.46) Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). Is single the same version? 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe Probably the single version (3.30) Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi Hendrix (3.50) 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) Eligible: single edit (7.00) Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) depending on when voting took place 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash Probably played the single (3.43) Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) Eligible: single (2.44) 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP 42 Family – The Weavers Answer Probably played the Family Entertainment version Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs The BBC session version 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and still it would essentially be same version) 45 The Doors – Light My Fire Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was available in UK. 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records Has to be the single 49 Little Feat – Willin' Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours for the 78FF run-up. Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) 50 Yes – And You and I Close to the Edge (10.08) Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not really alternative version! Look forward to those responses Regards Bill From rockerq@... Fri Aug 22 20:46:20 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:46:20 EDT Subject: [peel] "Coming up, the midnight news summary..." Message-ID: Same too! Only I never got a cassette deck that would autoreverse in record until around 1990 - so I used a 7" quarter track reel to reel at 3.75ips - which would give 128 mins of poor quality - when I stayed in I had the luxury of using 7.5ips and flipping the tape halfway through the show - usually when he played one of those seminal techno or rave tracks which I would disparagingly sneer at as "Disco music" until I discovered house in 1999, around ten years after the rest of the world! I would then carefully edit the tracks I wanted -sans Peel - onto cassettes - as I too could never afford more than 4 reel tapes at a time on my 1980s student grant! I now have quite a few shows - from rippers as well as ones I've ripped myself - Thanks rippers! - on my hard drive - mainly is sections - will put something up on my iDisk when I get time to edit them! Chjeers! Rocker > < plug! Stick in a C120 and try to get back from the pub in time to flip the > tape! >   > How I wish I'd had an inexhaustible supply of C120s... but no, I had three > of them, and just edited down the session tracks on to a second cassette... >   > Mark>> From rockerq@... Fri Aug 22 20:50:24 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:50:24 EDT Subject: [peel] 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! Message-ID: > <<4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > Has to be from Meddle (23.21)>> > Did they not also record a version in one of their BBC sessions or live broadcasts? Rocker From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 22 21:01:47 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:47 -0000 Subject: Some requests Message-ID: Hi folks, Whilst cataloguing my files just now, I noticed that I'd missed a few of the uploads Andrew had put up over the last few months. So, is there any possibility someone could help by reuploading any of the following? DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS 06/11/2007 December 1999; Peelenium 1986 05/02/2008 8th Jan 1994 - The Knights of the Occasional Table and Ivor Cutler. 2½hrs 14/02/2008 30/11/99 Echoboy and Peelenium 1978 2hrs 15/02/2008 19/6/01 Belle and Sebastian 2hrs 4mins 17/02/2008 5/1/1992 Milk and Hole 3hrs Thanks in advance, Eddie. From dunelm@... Fri Aug 22 21:37:07 2008 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:37:07 -0000 Subject: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whenever quiz questions ask for the connection between three or more musicians, I usually just say "Patsy Kensit". More often than not it's the correct answer. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: OK I give up! What's the connection?? Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 22 22:16:06 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:16:06 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do have (I think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track and source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I am pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no BBC sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I could scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I suppose [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official audio recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC programme archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound Archive at the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up recently as rips or streams. But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone somewhere in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. It's just finding that person! Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > answer to > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > Fifty broadcast? > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > versions broadcast? > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > (that's why I'm listing them). > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > does during the 78FF > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > broadcast] > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > Other Assorted Love Songs > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > there for 78FF broadcast] > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > identical > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > Was it available in UK? > > 6 Free – All Right Now > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > 78FF] > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They > Probably from Downtown Tonight > Eligible: Peel Session > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > plays in the 78FF. > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > (12.28) > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > get the run out groove? > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > that JP would have played it from one of these. > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > 78FF > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > identical despite name change. > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > Return but assuming it is that version. > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > (again depending on when vote took place) > The Top Gear session (6.09) > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > at this point. I don't think so. > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > live single is identical. > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > broadcast. > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > run up to 78FF > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > think there the same. > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > anyone confirm? > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > version played in run-up to 78FF > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > think the single is the same version. > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > depending on when voting took place > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun > Got to be the single version > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry > Probably the version from Live! > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > only > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > reissued with the above > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > Is single the same version? > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe > Probably the single version (3.30) > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > Hendrix (3.50) > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > depending on when voting took place > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash > Probably played the single (3.43) > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > Eligible: single (2.44) > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright Lights > Tonight > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > The BBC session version > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > still it would essentially be same version) > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > available in UK. > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records > Has to be the single > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > for the 78FF run-up. > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > 50 Yes – And You and I > Close to the Edge (10.08) > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > really alternative version! > > Look forward to those responses > Regards Bill > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Aug 23 02:42:28 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:42:28 -0000 Subject: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fellow Peelites The answer is that the word 'punk' is mentioned in all three songs. The Tubes connection is obvious: the Clash song goes, 'punk rockers in the UK/They don't notice anyway/They're all too busy fighting/To get a good place under the lighting'. The Bonzos come up with the classic corny gag, 'A punk stopped me on the street and said, "Have you got a light, mac?", and I said, "No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat".' Boom boom. I remember hearing the 'right track' segment frequently, as Freeman segued that song with a snatch of Grieg's 'In The Hall Of The Mountain King', but never took part. Happy days. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > Whenever quiz questions ask for the connection between three or more > musicians, I usually just say "Patsy Kensit". More often than not it's > the correct answer. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > wrote: > > OK I give up! > > What's the connection?? > > Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Aug 23 02:50:56 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:50:56 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Bill If it helps to narrow down your search, Ken states in his book that Peel started broadcasting the 76 FF from number 44 on 27 December 1976: therefore 45-50 were never broadcast anyway (maybe he just listed them). Re Freebird: the live version on 'One More From The Road' has the long ending, whereas the version on 'Pronounced' fades out after 9 and a half minutes. The 'proper' ending to the studio recording was not made available until after the song ceased to feature in the FF. And finally, JP categorically states in the 1983 FF before playing Sophie And Peter Johnson's 'Television' that it was the first session track ever to make the chart: up to that point , he had always played the studio recordings of each track. Best wishes Steve --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do have (I > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track and > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I am > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no BBC > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I could > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I suppose > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official audio > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC programme > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound Archive at > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up > recently as rips or streams. > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone somewhere > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. It's > just finding that person! > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > k > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > > answer to > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > > Fifty broadcast? > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > > versions broadcast? > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > > does during the 78FF > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > > broadcast] > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > > identical > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > > Was it available in UK? > > > > 6 Free – All Right Now > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > > 78FF] > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > > plays in the 78FF. > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > > (12.28) > > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > > get the run out groove? > > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > > 78FF > > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > > identical despite name change. > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > > live single is identical. > > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > > broadcast. > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > > run up to 78FF > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > > think there the same. > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > > anyone confirm? > > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > > think the single is the same version. > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > > depending on when voting took place > > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun > > Got to be the single version > > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry > > Probably the version from Live! > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > > only > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > > reissued with the above > > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > > Is single the same version? > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > > depending on when voting took place > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright Lights > > Tonight > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > The BBC session version > > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > available in UK. > > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records > > Has to be the single > > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > > for the 78FF run-up. > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > 50 Yes – And You and I > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > > really alternative version! > > > > Look forward to those responses > > Regards Bill > > > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 23 06:56:35 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:56:35 -0000 Subject: Some requests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Eddie, Think I can help you out with most (maybe all) of these. Many thanks to Andrew for upping them in the first place. Anyway, here's the first one on your list: > DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS > 06/11/2007 December 1999; Peelenium 1986 Think this is 1999-12-16 (Pachinos session, 1986 Peelenium): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AHACO3H There's a tracklisting at the ever-great Playlist Archive: http://www.avistic.demon.co.uk/playlists/1999/50.txt Will try and put up more over the next few days if no one else does. I know it's a bit of a problem for Andrew himself. Please see his notice at the Wiki: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/The_Andrew_T_90s_tapes Cheers, Steve PS. Wondering about Wiki show info for crossovers with the Playlist Archive like this, particularly if you get started on your 200 Box. Maybe best to just stick a link up for the time being. Obviously don't want to just swipe the tracklistings, especially when there's so much work obviously gone into them. Not quite sure who did the Playlist Archive in the first place. Same problem for 21st century tracklistings, already online at the BBC site. Maybe links are the way to go on that one. From deedeeramain@... Sat Aug 23 07:34:26 2008 From: deedeeramain@... (Riving Ton) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] Re: Some requests Message-ID: <520583.32133.qm@...> Hi All! Did anyone take Andrew up on his offer? (He has a bunch of shows that he requires someone to upload for him) I'd love to help out but I'm crippled by the rubbish ISP's in Saudi where I now live. When I uploaded the 17 DVD's in the UK I was managing to seed more than 10 completed torrents after about three days so maybe some kind soul would like to take delivery of Andrew's recordings, zip them up together and upload as torrents? Anybody new to file-sharing who would like to learn how to upload / download 'stuff'? We provide a free support / counselling service and you'd be really appreciated! Cheers, DeeDee ----- Original Message ---- From: saipanda To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:56:35 AM Subject: [peel] Re: Some requests Hi Eddie, Think I can help you out with most (maybe all) of these. Many thanks to Andrew for upping them in the first place. Anyway, here's the first one on your list: > DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS > 06/11/2007 December 1999; Peelenium 1986 Think this is 1999-12-16 (Pachinos session, 1986 Peelenium): http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 5AHACO3H There's a tracklisting at the ever-great Playlist Archive: http://www.avistic. demon.co. uk/playlists/ 1999/50.txt Will try and put up more over the next few days if no one else does. I know it's a bit of a problem for Andrew himself. Please see his notice at the Wiki: http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/The_ Andrew_T_ 90s_tapes Cheers, Steve PS. Wondering about Wiki show info for crossovers with the Playlist Archive like this, particularly if you get started on your 200 Box. Maybe best to just stick a link up for the time being. Obviously don't want to just swipe the tracklistings, especially when there's so much work obviously gone into them. Not quite sure who did the Playlist Archive in the first place.. Same problem for 21st century tracklistings, already online at the BBC site. Maybe links are the way to go on that one. From rushomancy@... Fri Aug 22 15:47:24 2008 From: rushomancy@... (rushomancy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:47:24 -0000 Subject: Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: <295414.70626.qm@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks wrote: > > anyone know who has this in the states??? been waiting for it to turn up here to no avail...can I order direct from you ken??? let me know... Timxx > ps.thanks to all the tape rippers... just finished the oct 31st 79 show.... fantastic stuff.. > I got my copy from Amazon; was there within a couple of days. By the way is there an online archive of errata to the book? I've come across a couple minor, nit-picky errors, mostly about the prog- rock groups (and I can understand how most Peel listeners are not exactly devoted to minutae about Van Der Graaf Generator :) ) but I don't want to repeat stuff Ken's probably heard ten thousand times already. Also, I know as far as complete shows there's virtually nothing in the archives, but in terms of sessions, what Peel Sessions are not currently known to exist in any form, either in the archives or as off-air recordings? Specifically, when did it become regular practice to preserve Peel Sessions by bands? Out of all the early sessions, I know of only a couple that nobody seems to have heard- Tim Buckley's second session, for instance, and a couple by Gentle Giant. That's not to say they don't exist- Egg's first session, which I at least had believed totally lost, showed up from a fan tape the second the band asked for a copy and is now officially released on a recent archive CD. From saipanda@... Sat Aug 23 09:44:21 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:44:21 -0000 Subject: Some requests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another one for Eddie, with thanks again to Andrew for the original share. > > DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS > 05/02/2008 8th Jan 1994 - The Knights of the Occasional Table and > Ivor Cutler. 2½hrs http://rapidshare.de/files/40300522/_1994-01-08_KOKOT___Ivor_C.zip.html (Sorry, Adam, think I used megaupload for the previous one. Let me know if you don't have it already). On DeeDee's point, hope someone can help with Andrew's collection up to 1998. Torrents are a bit tricky for me as they slow my computer down to a near standstill and I need it for work, so can't really up things that way over any kind of extended period, If it comes down to it, though, would always be good for put them up one at a time. Cheers, Steve From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 23 10:42:19 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:42:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Some requests Message-ID: <55224.86.152.146.28.1219480939.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@86.152.146.28> Thanks a lot Steve; appreciate it! So, having finally got around to cherry-picking the bits of the 17-DVD set I didn't already have, this little lot should get me up to date. Andrew has been in touch, by the way. His PC has suffered from a crash, but he's going to be rejoining the group when it's all recovered. And he's arranged to pass those other shows he has to Gary at www.30242.net for uploading. Eddie. saipanda wrote: > > Another one for Eddie, with thanks again to Andrew for the original share. > > > > > DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS > > 05/02/2008 8th Jan 1994 - The Knights of the Occasional Table and > > Ivor Cutler. 2�hrs > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40300522/_1994-01-08_KOKOT___Ivor_C.zip.html > > (Sorry, Adam, think I used megaupload for the previous one. Let me know if you don't > have it already). > > On DeeDee's point, hope someone can help with Andrew's collection up to 1998. Torrents > are a bit tricky for me as they slow my computer down to a near standstill and I need it for > work, so can't really up things that way over any kind of extended period, > > If it comes down to it, though, would always be good for put them up one at a time. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 22/08/2008 06:48 From AndrewThezmore@... Sat Aug 23 11:18:36 2008 From: AndrewThezmore@... (andrewthezmore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:18:36 -0000 Subject: Some requests In-Reply-To: <520583.32133.qm@...> Message-ID: Thanks for asking Dee Dee! Hopefully sorted on the show sharing front, just a bit delayed by having to sort out this crashed pc I'll be cracking on with some of my own tapes (and filling up some space on the wiki, although I've had a couple of problems there too - I'm going to type them out in excel first then cut and paste from now on!) but can't do much til I get some data recovery software next weekend. Many thanks to the 400box uploaders, I haven't heard any of them yet but it's looking really good. I'm also apprciating the efforts of Steve W and others on the wiki, wish I could squeeze more time into it than at present. Cheers Andrew From bill.spiby@... Sat Aug 23 12:08:24 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (bill.spiby@...) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:08:24 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! Message-ID: <20080823100824.JNUJ19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Hi Rocker, Yep, you're correct. I missed that one. Sept 30th 1971 recording from the BBC Paris Cinema. Thanks Bill > > From: rockerq@... > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 07:50:24 BST > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [peel] 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! > > > <<4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21)>> > > > Did they not also record a version in one of their BBC sessions or live > broadcasts? > > Rocker > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From bill.spiby@... Sat Aug 23 12:12:17 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (bill.spiby@...) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:12:17 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! Message-ID: <20080823101217.JOPO19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Hi Ken, I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful. And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I would never have dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up (and such good quality, complete ones at that). Kind regards Bill Spiby > > From: "ken garner" > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do have (I > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track and > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I am > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no BBC > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I could > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I suppose > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official audio > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC programme > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound Archive at > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up > recently as rips or streams. > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone somewhere > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. It's > just finding that person! > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > k > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > > not counting boots � which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > > answer to > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > > Fifty broadcast? > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > > versions broadcast? > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin � Stairway to Heaven > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > > does during the 78FF > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes � Layla > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > > broadcast] > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > 3 Bob Dylan � Desolation Row > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � All Along the Watchtower > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > > identical > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > > Was it available in UK? > > > > 6 Free � All Right Now > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > > 78FF] > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > 7 Racing Cars � They Shoot Horses Don't They > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > 8 Pink Floyd � Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > > plays in the 78FF. > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > > (12.28) > > > > 9 The Beatles � A Day in the Life > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > > get the run out groove? > > > > 10 Bob Dylan � Like A Rolling Stone > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > > > 11 Poco � Rose of Cimarron > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > > 78FF > > > > 12 Neil Young � Cortez the Killer > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones � Brown Sugar > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > > > 14 The Beatles � Hey Jude > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > > identical despite name change. > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > 17 The Beatles � Strawberry Fields Forever > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart � Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin � Whole Lotta Love > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd � Freebird > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > > live single is identical. > > > > 21 Van Morrison � Madame George > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > > broadcast. > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > 22 The Doors � Riders on the Storm > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > > run up to 78FF > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane � White Rabbit > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > > think there the same. > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > > anyone confirm? > > > > 25 Deep Purple � Child in Time > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > 26 Little Feat � Long Distance Love > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > 27 Grinderswitch � Pickin' the Blues > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > 28 Joe Walsh � Rocky Mountain Way > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > > think the single is the same version. > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > > depending on when voting took place > > > > 29 The Who � Won't Get Fooled Again > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > 30 The Misunderstood � I Can Take You to the Sun > > Got to be the single version > > > > 31 Genesis � Supper's Ready > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers � No Woman, No Cry > > Probably the version from Live! > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > > only > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > > reissued with the above > > > > 34 Rod Stewart � Maggie May > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > 35 Jackson Browne � Late for the Sky > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > > Is single the same version? > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin � Kashmir > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � Hey Joe > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band � Jessica > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > > depending on when voting took place > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones � Jumping Jack Flash > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > 40 Grateful Dead � Dark Star > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson � I Want to See the Bright Lights > > Tonight > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > 42 Family � The Weavers Answer > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > The BBC session version > > > > 43 Jackson Browne � Fountain of Sorrow > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > 44 Bob Dylan � Hurricane > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > 45 The Doors � Light My Fire > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > available in UK. > > > > 46 Matching Mole � O Caroline > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > 47 Roy Harper � When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer � Go to Rhino Records > > Has to be the single > > > > 49 Little Feat � Willin' > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > > for the 78FF run-up. > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > 50 Yes � And You and I > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > > really alternative version! > > > > Look forward to those responses > > Regards Bill > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From bill.spiby@... Sat Aug 23 12:29:08 2008 From: bill.spiby@... (bill.spiby@...) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:29:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! Message-ID: <20080823102908.IXFV18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Thanks for the info Steve, Surprised I missed that in Ken's book! The SaPJ comment answers a lot of questions in advance for me over the next few months. It seems 1983 was something of a year for session versions Eat Y'self Fitter, Reel Around the Fountain, even Second Skin sounds like it could be, along with the live at the Hacienda version of Handsome Devil. Bill > If it helps to narrow down your search, Ken states in his book that > Peel started broadcasting the 76 FF from number 44 on 27 December > 1976: therefore 45-50 were never broadcast anyway (maybe he just > listed them). > Re Freebird: the live version on 'One More From The Road' has the long > ending, whereas the version on 'Pronounced' fades out after 9 and a > half minutes. The 'proper' ending to the studio recording was not made > available until after the song ceased to feature in the FF. > And finally, JP categorically states in the 1983 FF before playing > Sophie And Peter Johnson's 'Television' that it was the first session > track ever to make the chart: up to that point , he had always played > the studio recordings of each track. > > Best wishes > Steve > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries > that alternate versions > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, > somewhere here I do have (I > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will > list the exact track and > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I > could be wrong but I am > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read > the scripts) that no BBC > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the > wrath of the BBC, I could > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of > such things, I suppose > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not > aware of any official audio > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental > online BBC programme > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think > the Sound Archive at > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these > shows popping up > > recently as rips or streams. > > > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain > that someone somewhere > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel > to reel machine. It's > > just finding that person! > > > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > > > not counting boots � which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > > > answer to > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > > > Fifty broadcast? > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > > > versions broadcast? > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin � Stairway to Heaven > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > > > does during the 78FF > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes � Layla > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > > > broadcast] > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > > > 3 Bob Dylan � Desolation Row > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � All Along the Watchtower > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > > > identical > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > > > Was it available in UK? > > > > > > 6 Free � All Right Now > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > > > 78FF] > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > > > 7 Racing Cars � They Shoot Horses Don't They > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > > > 8 Pink Floyd � Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > > > plays in the 78FF. > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > > > (12.28) > > > > > > 9 The Beatles � A Day in the Life > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > > > get the run out groove? > > > > > > 10 Bob Dylan � Like A Rolling Stone > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > > > > > 11 Poco � Rose of Cimarron > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > > > 78FF > > > > > > 12 Neil Young � Cortez the Killer > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones � Brown Sugar > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > > > > > 14 The Beatles � Hey Jude > > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > > > identical despite name change. > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > > > 17 The Beatles � Strawberry Fields Forever > > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart � Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin � Whole Lotta Love > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd � Freebird > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > > > live single is identical. > > > > > > 21 Van Morrison � Madame George > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > > > broadcast. > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > > > 22 The Doors � Riders on the Storm > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > > > run up to 78FF > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane � White Rabbit > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > > > think there the same. > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > > > anyone confirm? > > > > > > 25 Deep Purple � Child in Time > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > > > 26 Little Feat � Long Distance Love > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > > > 27 Grinderswitch � Pickin' the Blues > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > > > 28 Joe Walsh � Rocky Mountain Way > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > > > think the single is the same version. > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > 29 The Who � Won't Get Fooled Again > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > > > 30 The Misunderstood � I Can Take You to the Sun > > > Got to be the single version > > > > > > 31 Genesis � Supper's Ready > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers � No Woman, No Cry > > > Probably the version from Live! > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > > > only > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > > > reissued with the above > > > > > > 34 Rod Stewart � Maggie May > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > > > 35 Jackson Browne � Late for the Sky > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > > > Is single the same version? > > > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin � Kashmir > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience � Hey Joe > > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band � Jessica > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones � Jumping Jack Flash > > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > > > 40 Grateful Dead � Dark Star > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson � I Want to See the Bright Lights > > > Tonight > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > > > 42 Family � The Weavers Answer > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > > The BBC session version > > > > > > 43 Jackson Browne � Fountain of Sorrow > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > > > 44 Bob Dylan � Hurricane > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > > > 45 The Doors � Light My Fire > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > > available in UK. > > > > > > 46 Matching Mole � O Caroline > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > > > 47 Roy Harper � When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer � Go to Rhino Records > > > Has to be the single > > > > > > 49 Little Feat � Willin' > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > > > for the 78FF run-up. > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > > > 50 Yes � And You and I > > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > > > really alternative version! > > > > > > Look forward to those responses > > > Regards Bill > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From saipanda@... Sat Aug 23 13:52:36 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:52:36 -0000 Subject: Some requests In-Reply-To: <55224.86.152.146.28.1219480939.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@86.152.146.28> Message-ID: OK, think this is the last one for today, Eddie. http://rapidshare.de/files/40301486/1999-11- 30_echoboy_session__peelenium_1978.zip.html Think I've got both of the others, so will do them tomorrow if nobody else does. Cheers, Steve W From rockerq@... Sat Aug 23 13:53:01 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:53:01 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 shows Message-ID: A couple more (well, one and a half actually) on my iDisk. Mail me offlist if you need the link! Cheers! Rocker From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 23 15:48:05 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:48:05 -0000 Subject: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: F*ck me, that's an obscure connection ! Betya no-one got that answer....... I've never heard the phrase "Got a light, Mac ?" before - maybe it was big in the 60's (or Scotland). More likely round these northern parts is "Got a light, mate ?" or "Got a light, pal". In Yorkshire you can be called "bud" as well ........ Bye Buddy MacPoor --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > The answer is that the word 'punk' is mentioned in all three songs. > The Tubes connection is obvious: the Clash song goes, 'punk rockers in > the UK/They don't notice anyway/They're all too busy fighting/To get a > good place under the lighting'. The Bonzos come up with the classic > corny gag, 'A punk stopped me on the street and said, "Have you got a > light, mac?", and I said, "No, but I've got a dark brown overcoat".' > Boom boom. > I remember hearing the 'right track' segment frequently, as Freeman > segued that song with a snatch of Grieg's 'In The Hall Of The Mountain > King', but never took part. Happy days. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: > > > > Whenever quiz questions ask for the connection between three or more > > musicians, I usually just say "Patsy Kensit". More often than not it's > > the correct answer. > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" > > wrote: > > > > OK I give up! > > > > What's the connection?? > > > > Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" > > > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 23 16:01:55 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:01:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57672.86.152.146.28.1219500115.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@86.152.146.28> Well, I managed to guess it (*brushes lapels*). I wasn't sure about Big Shot, but given the "Sam Spade voiceover" nature of the lyrics it was always possible. "Got a light, Mac?" is more of an American expression, I think; one you might find in films from the Forties or Fifties. However, I'm not sure even the Yanks use "Mac" nowadays. Michael, or any other Americans on the board, might be able to put us right there. Eddie. > F*ck me, that's an obscure connection ! Betya no-one got that > answer....... > > I've never heard the phrase "Got a light, Mac ?" before - maybe > it was big in the 60's (or Scotland). More likely round these > northern parts is "Got a light, mate ?" or "Got a light, pal". > In Yorkshire you can be called "bud" as well ........ > > Bye > Buddy MacPoor > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >> >> Fellow Peelites >> >> The answer is that the word 'punk' is mentioned in all three songs. >> The Tubes connection is obvious: the Clash song goes, 'punk rockers > in >> the UK/They don't notice anyway/They're all too busy fighting/To > get a >> good place under the lighting'. The Bonzos come up with the classic >> corny gag, 'A punk stopped me on the street and said, "Have you got > a >> light, mac?", and I said, "No, but I've got a dark brown > overcoat".' >> Boom boom. >> I remember hearing the 'right track' segment frequently, as Freeman >> segued that song with a snatch of Grieg's 'In The Hall Of The > Mountain >> King', but never took part. Happy days. >> >> Best wishes >> Steve [Teenage Kicks] >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: >> > >> > Whenever quiz questions ask for the connection between three or > more >> > musicians, I usually just say "Patsy Kensit". More often than not > it's >> > the correct answer. >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" >> > wrote: >> > >> > OK I give up! >> > >> > What's the connection?? >> > >> > Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" >> > >> > > > From so_it_goes_2512@... Sat Aug 23 19:54:15 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:54:15 -0000 Subject: American TV Cops Peel Session Message-ID: Fellow Peelites I have been contacted by one Dale Farrington, who is eager to get hold of a recording of this session, recorded 1995-01-15 and transmitted 1995-02-11 with a repeat on 1995-09-16. I'll let Dale tell you himself why he wants this so badly: 'You may be asking yourself why I would want something so obscure. Well, ATVC were my band. We recorded one session for Peel (a lifetime's ambition) and I'd love to hear it again. I lost my only cassette copy when I emigrated to Thailand twelve years ago and have lost touch with the other members of the group so I have no other way hearing it.' Now why did he ask me? Because my recent post on Pavement contains the session that shared the first show date mentioned. I cannot oblige him myself, so if anyone has either of those shows or the session itself, please get in touch either with me direct or via a message here. Best wishes Steve {Teenage Kicks] From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 23 21:14:24 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:14:24 -0000 Subject: 1978 shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are these more releases from the 400Box ? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > A couple more (well, one and a half actually) on my iDisk. > > Mail me offlist if you need the link! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 23 21:43:46 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:43:46 -0000 Subject: The 200 Box - Tape 1 Message-ID: OK, here's the first of my (so-called) '200 Box'. Please be aware that, unlike in the 400 Box, there don't appear to be any full shows in this set. So the best you can generally hope for is a C-90's-worth, or three quarters of a 2-hour show. But hopefully we'll pick up a few goodies such as Peelennia along the way. Onto the tape I've labelled DPP001, then: 90 minutes of the 30th. May 2000 show, featuring Lianne Hall and Pico in session. The tracklisting is available at Lorcan's site here: http://www.avistic.demon.co.uk/playlists/2000/22.txt We join the show midway through the second track (Sender Berlin), and take our leave just as The Upholsterers kick in. The tape flip happens at the Foehn track, but the two parts seem to flow together reasonably well. Part 1: http://tinyurl.com/55zbpe Part 2: http://tinyurl.com/6e96lm More to come... Eddie. From rockerq@... Sat Aug 23 22:08:15 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:08:15 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: 1978 shows Message-ID: > > rockerq@... wrote: > > A couple more (well, one and a half actually) on my iDisk.>> > Yes - and am adding a couple more as I type - will appear in a couple of hours once uploading is complete - but be warned the section of the 19780728 show is particularly bad quality - the level coming off the tape in the middle section is so low I've had to boost and eq it, amplifying the hiss (but of course, life has hiss). I'm also updating the spreadsheet as I go along, keeping the one on my iDisk up to date - so if anyone needs it to update the WIKI etc. they should grab the latest version. Have also posted three more packages out to our rippers in the last 2 days - this exhausts our postage fund - so if anyone out there is feeling guilty that they didn't contribute to the purchase of the tapes, now is the time to make amends! All contributions can be made to my PayPal account at rockerq@.... Or email me at the same address if you want my mailing address! We now have over 100 of the cassettes either ripped or in progress! Cheers! Rocker From ken_garner@... Sat Aug 23 22:33:29 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:33:29 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! In-Reply-To: <20080823101217.JOPO19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: ok, i'll check the scripts, but my full version of the shows index suggests I found the following: 1976 M 27/12 (Be-Bop Deluxe, Jess Roden, Brand X #2, Aswad, Prior and Tabor 1st TX 27/10/75), and first ever Festive 50 begins, numbers #44-35 T 28/12 (Stretch #3, Bill Aitken, Racing Cars #2) & Festive 50 #35-25 W 29/12 (Bowles Brothers, Graham Parker and the Rumour #2) & Festive 50 #24-19 Th 30/12 (Deaf School, Frankie Miller Band) & Festive 50 #18-11 F 31/12 no show 1977 M 3/1 (Chieftains, Thin Lizzy, Bill Aitken) & Festive 50 #10-1 ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful. > > And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I would never have dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up (and such good quality, complete ones at that). > > Kind regards > Bill Spiby > > > > > From: "ken garner" > > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! > > > > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do have (I > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track and > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I am > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no BBC > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I could > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I suppose > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official audio > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC programme > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound Archive at > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up > > recently as rips or streams. > > > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone somewhere > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. It's > > just finding that person! > > > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > > > answer to > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > > > Fifty broadcast? > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > > > versions broadcast? > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > > > does during the 78FF > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > > > broadcast] > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > > > identical > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > > > Was it available in UK? > > > > > > 6 Free – All Right Now > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > > > 78FF] > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > > > plays in the 78FF. > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > > > (12.28) > > > > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > > > get the run out groove? > > > > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > > > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > > > 78FF > > > > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > > > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude > > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > > > identical despite name change. > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever > > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > > > live single is identical. > > > > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > > > broadcast. > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > > > run up to 78FF > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > > > think there the same. > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > > > anyone confirm? > > > > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > > > think the single is the same version. > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun > > > Got to be the single version > > > > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry > > > Probably the version from Live! > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > > > only > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > > > reissued with the above > > > > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > > > Is single the same version? > > > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe > > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash > > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright Lights > > > Tonight > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > > The BBC session version > > > > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > > available in UK. > > > > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records > > > Has to be the single > > > > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > > > for the 78FF run-up. > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > > > 50 Yes – And You and I > > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > > > really alternative version! > > > > > > Look forward to those responses > > > Regards Bill > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From ken_garner@... Sat Aug 23 22:59:56 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:59:56 -0000 Subject: Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, there is currently no online resource of errata to my book! But I am compiling my own marked up master copy, and have a half baked plan - don't hold your breath anyone - to start a blog via my university website giving a kind of weekly update on various further corrections that have come to light. I had planned to do a hard copy corrections slip - ie a few pages you lot could stick in the back of the book - this year privately, but have run out of time and I suspect a blog might be more visible. So, folks, please do not be bashful about sending me anything you spot that's wrong, puzzling, or incomplete - yes, I know I missed Van der graaf generator's session releases, for example - my full email is visible here anyway. All comments gratefully received ken ken_garner@... ps your query about which sessions are known not to exist is the big one of course. Until my book, the R1 and BBC archivists would tell me "we don't know what we haven't got" Why would they? Their job is documenting the vast stuff the BBC does every day now - they are not paid to ferret around and try and find out what they might be missing from 1972! I do know that Hannah Brannah-Martin (nee Jacobs) and some Maida Vale people are gradually starting to go through ticking off things they do have, thanks to my book, which, by implication, will slowly reveal what they are missing. The old rule of thumb used to be, unless it was personally produced by Bernie Andrews, Jeff Griffin, or John Walters (and was one walters liked), nothing pre-1977 survives. But we now know that's not quite true. Very little of all sessions (incl non-peel sounds of the 70s etc) survives from 1970- 1975, but 1967-1969 is not too bad at all. I heard that The Nick Drake night ride session has recently turned up in an off air collection, as has the Leonard Cohen on Top Gear, for example. Not sure that's right about Tim Buckley's 2nd, though: Bernie produced it himself so I bet he has it and / or it's in the R1 archive. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "rushomancy" wrote: > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Tim Brooks wrote: > > > > anyone know who has this in the states??? been waiting for it to > turn up here to no avail...can I order direct from you ken??? let me > know... Timxx > > ps.thanks to all the tape rippers... just finished the oct 31st 79 > show.... fantastic stuff.. > > > > I got my copy from Amazon; was there within a couple of days. > > By the way is there an online archive of errata to the book? I've > come across a couple minor, nit-picky errors, mostly about the prog- > rock groups (and I can understand how most Peel listeners are not > exactly devoted to minutae about Van Der Graaf Generator :) ) but I > don't want to repeat stuff Ken's probably heard ten thousand times > already. > > Also, I know as far as complete shows there's virtually nothing in > the archives, but in terms of sessions, what Peel Sessions are not > currently known to exist in any form, either in the archives or as > off-air recordings? Specifically, when did it become regular > practice to preserve Peel Sessions by bands? Out of all the early > sessions, I know of only a couple that nobody seems to have heard- > Tim Buckley's second session, for instance, and a couple by Gentle > Giant. That's not to say they don't exist- Egg's first session, > which I at least had believed totally lost, showed up from a fan tape > the second the band asked for a copy and is now officially released > on a recent archive CD. > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 23 23:14:57 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:14:57 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Deaf School ! Such an underrated band, so unlucky, they were a few years too early to be part of that Madness, Dury "UK vaudeville" scene .... Actually they were much better than Madness, who only had one good song "One Step Beyond". After that they were chart whores. Check out the Deaf School anthology "What A Way To End It All" - all the albums and BBC sessions on a 2cd set ! They couldn't exist now - the name is too un-PC ! Bye The Headmaster --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > ok, i'll check the scripts, but my full version of the shows index suggests I found the > following: > > 1976 > M 27/12 (Be-Bop Deluxe, Jess Roden, Brand X #2, Aswad, Prior and Tabor 1st TX > 27/10/75), and first ever Festive 50 begins, numbers #44-35 > > T 28/12 (Stretch #3, Bill Aitken, Racing Cars #2) & Festive 50 #35- 25 > > W 29/12 (Bowles Brothers, Graham Parker and the Rumour #2) & Festive 50 #24-19 > > Th 30/12 (Deaf School, Frankie Miller Band) & Festive 50 #18-11 > > F 31/12 no show > > > 1977 > M 3/1 (Chieftains, Thin Lizzy, Bill Aitken) & Festive 50 #10-1 > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful. > > > > And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I would never have > dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up (and such good quality, > complete ones at that). > > > > Kind regards > > Bill Spiby > > > > > > > > From: "ken garner" > > > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! > > > > > > > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your worries that alternate versions > > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, somewhere here I do > have (I > > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which will list the exact track > and > > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. I could be wrong but I > am > > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have read the scripts) that no > BBC > > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > > > > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring the wrath of the BBC, I > could > > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples of such things, I > suppose > > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > > > > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not aware of any official > audio > > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the experimental online BBC > programme > > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not think the Sound > Archive at > > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of these shows popping up > > > recently as rips or streams. > > > > > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely certain that someone > somewhere > > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a reel to reel machine. > It's > > > just finding that person! > > > > > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > > > > > k > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... nay... an > > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've been on a > > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: primarily in > > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released or > > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically eligible). I'm > > > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So welcome to > > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing they'll be > > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off work)). > > > > > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly know the > > > > answer to > > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 Festive > > > > Fifty broadcast? > > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, indicating the > > > > versions broadcast? > > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any recollections > > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to each > > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down in flames > > > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven > > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and indeed > > > > does during the 78FF > > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) the live > > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this edited > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla > > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive Fifty > > > > broadcast] > > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of Eric > > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla and > > > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > > > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row > > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it from > > > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower > > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single is > > > > identical > > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take (4.00). > > > > Was it available in UK? > > > > > > > > 6 Free – All Right Now > > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP plays before > > > > 78FF] > > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > > > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They > > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > > > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is that this > > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is what JP > > > > plays in the 78FF. > > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be eligible also > > > > (12.28) > > > > > > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life > > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). Suppose the > > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did we even > > > > get the run out groove? > > > > > > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone > > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical (6.09) and > > > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. Don't think > > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main version. > > > > > > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron > > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of Cimarron LP > > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up to the > > > > 78FF > > > > > > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer > > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar > > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're identical. > > > > > > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude > > > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. Help anyone? > > > > > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think single is > > > > identical despite name change. > > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and More > > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. What > > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed as Slight > > > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > > > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever > > > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love > > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP (14.25) > > > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is this edited > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually `available' > > > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird > > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think single is > > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) (remastered > > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for extra > > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm guessing > > > > live single is identical. > > > > > > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George > > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was during 78FF > > > > broadcast. > > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > > > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm > > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is played in > > > > run up to 78FF > > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit > > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) version. I > > > > think there the same. > > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. Can > > > > anyone confirm? > > > > > > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time > > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same version > > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > > > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love > > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is indeed > > > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > > > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues > > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > > > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way > > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get (5.15). I > > > > think the single is the same version. > > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind (7.40) > > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again > > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in 78FF run-up > > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > > > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun > > > > Got to be the single version > > > > > > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready > > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry > > > > Probably the version from Live! > > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka Roadrunner > > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to Richman > > > > only > > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which crops up > > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) when > > > > reissued with the above > > > > > > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May > > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with running > > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > > > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky > > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP (5.36). > > > > Is single the same version? > > > > > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir > > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe > > > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the Film Jimi > > > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica > > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas (9.05) > > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash > > > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > > > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star > > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright Lights > > > > Tonight > > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > > > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer > > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > > > The BBC session version > > > > > > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow > > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > > > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane > > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical (8.33) > > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not sure and > > > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > > > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire > > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > > > available in UK. > > > > > > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline > > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > > > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records > > > > Has to be the single > > > > > > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' > > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he favours > > > > for the 78FF run-up. > > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > > > > > 50 Yes – And You and I > > > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. Not > > > > really alternative version! > > > > > > > > Look forward to those responses > > > > Regards Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > From dr_mango2004@... Sun Aug 24 01:28:59 2008 From: dr_mango2004@... (Dr Mango) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] The 200 Box - Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <104960.33155.qm@...> Sadly, those tinyurl links won't work for me. Anyone else having trouble? DM --- On Sat, 23/8/08, Ed Duffy wrote: From: Ed Duffy Subject: [peel] The 200 Box - Tape 1 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 8:43 PM OK, here's the first of my (so-called) '200 Box'. Please be aware that, unlike in the 400 Box, there don't appear to be any full shows in this set. So the best you can generally hope for is a C-90's-worth, or three quarters of a 2-hour show. But hopefully we'll pick up a few goodies such as Peelennia along the way. Onto the tape I've labelled DPP001, then: 90 minutes of the 30th. May 2000 show, featuring Lianne Hall and Pico in session. The tracklisting is available at Lorcan's site here: http://www.avistic. demon.co. uk/playlists/ 2000/22.txt We join the show midway through the second track (Sender Berlin), and take our leave just as The Upholsterers kick in. The tape flip happens at the Foehn track, but the two parts seem to flow together reasonably well. Part 1: http://tinyurl. com/55zbpe Part 2: http://tinyurl. com/6e96lm More to come... Eddie. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From iangwilson@... Sun Aug 24 01:59:03 2008 From: iangwilson@... (Ian Wilson) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:59:03 +0100 Subject: [peel] The 200 Box - Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <104960.33155.qm@...> References: <104960.33155.qm@...> Message-ID: <7b3563a0808231659m1316c19l688b90e590bbcbbd@...> From billfromnorthwales@... Sun Aug 24 02:12:20 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:12:20 -0000 Subject: The 200 Box - Tape 1 In-Reply-To: <7b3563a0808231659m1316c19l688b90e590bbcbbd@...> Message-ID: Try this http://tiny.cc/vs64E and this http://tiny.cc/iq0ld --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Wilson" wrote: > > Part 1 was fine.....couldnt get part 2 though - "Error" > > 2008/8/24 Dr Mango > > > Sadly, those tinyurl links won't work for me. Anyone else having > > trouble? > > > > DM > > > > --- On *Sat, 23/8/08, Ed Duffy * wrote: > > > > From: Ed Duffy > > Subject: [peel] The 200 Box - Tape 1 > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 8:43 PM > > > > OK, here's the first of my (so-called) '200 Box'. Please be aware > > that, unlike in the 400 Box, there don't appear to be any full shows > > in this set. So the best you can generally hope for is a C-90's- worth, > > or three quarters of a 2-hour show. But hopefully we'll pick up a few > > goodies such as Peelennia along the way. > > > > Onto the tape I've labelled DPP001, then: 90 minutes of the 30th. May > > 2000 show, featuring Lianne Hall and Pico in session. The tracklisting > > is available at Lorcan's site here: > > > > http://www.avistic. demon.co. uk/playlists/ 2000/22.txt > > > > We join the show midway through the second track (Sender Berlin), and > > take our leave just as The Upholsterers kick in. The tape flip happens > > at the Foehn track, but the two parts seem to flow together reasonably > > well. > > > > Part 1: > > http://tinyurl. com/55zbpe > > > > Part 2: > > http://tinyurl. com/6e96lm > > > > More to come... > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > From grafpoo@... Sun Aug 24 04:04:00 2008 From: grafpoo@... (john guthrie) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: [peel] Re: The 200 Box - Tape 1 In-Reply-To: References: <7b3563a0808231659m1316c19l688b90e590bbcbbd@...> Message-ID: From lists@... Sun Aug 24 09:41:30 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:41:30 -0000 Subject: Some requests In-Reply-To: <520583.32133.qm@...> Message-ID: Andrew's shows will be available to download from www.30242.net shortly. Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Riving Ton wrote: > > Hi All! > Did anyone take Andrew up on his offer? (He has a bunch of shows that he requires someone to upload for him) > I'd love to help out but I'm crippled by the rubbish ISP's in Saudi where I now live. > When I uploaded the 17 DVD's in the UK I was managing to seed more than 10 completed torrents after about three days so maybe some kind soul would like to take delivery of Andrew's recordings, zip them up together and upload as torrents? > Anybody new to file-sharing who would like to learn how to upload / download 'stuff'? We provide a free support / counselling service and you'd be really appreciated! > Cheers, > DeeDee > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: saipanda > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:56:35 AM > Subject: [peel] Re: Some requests > > > Hi Eddie, > > Think I can help you out with most (maybe all) of these. Many thanks to Andrew for > upping them in the first place. > > Anyway, here's the first one on your list: > > > DATE UPPED SHOW DETAILS > > 06/11/2007 December 1999; Peelenium 1986 > > Think this is 1999-12-16 (Pachinos session, 1986 Peelenium): > http://www.megauplo ad.com/?d= 5AHACO3H > > There's a tracklisting at the ever-great Playlist Archive: > http://www.avistic. demon.co. uk/playlists/ 1999/50.txt > > Will try and put up more over the next few days if no one else does. I know it's a bit of a > problem for Andrew himself. Please see his notice at the Wiki: > http://peel. wikia.com/ wiki/The_ Andrew_T_ 90s_tapes > > Cheers, > > Steve > > PS. Wondering about Wiki show info for crossovers with the Playlist Archive like this, > particularly if you get started on your 200 Box. Maybe best to just stick a link up for the > time being. Obviously don't want to just swipe the tracklistings, especially when there's so > much work obviously gone into them. Not quite sure who did the Playlist Archive in the > first place.. Same problem for 21st century tracklistings, already online at the BBC site. > Maybe links are the way to go on that one. > From saipanda@... Sun Aug 24 10:28:34 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:28:34 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces Message-ID: First, many thanks to Rocker and Eddie for yesterday's shows plus the latest 400 Box spreadsheet from Rocker. I've tried to reflect these at the Wiki, although don't think I can manage all the tracklistings for Box 400 shows on my own (please feel free to help): http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box Have also added a section on the "Peel newsgroup" Wiki page to keep track of the assorting other uploads here -- including a linked Box 200 page for Eddie's new epic (although not exactly sure what name he wants to be known as). Please find this via the Peel Wiki main page. Need to update it a little, including these last two for Eddie from his list: http://rapidshare.de/files/40307002/1992-01-05_milk__hole.zip.html http://rapidshare.de/files/40307183/2001-06-19_bell_sebastian.zip.html Finally, thanks to Gary for sorting out Andrew's file hosting situation. Have put a notice on the Wiki -- hope that's OK. Can't wait to hear the shows. (Incidentally, can send you a copy of that NME interview if you don't have one). Cheers, Steve W From eddie.duffy@... Sun Aug 24 11:16:40 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:16:40 -0000 Subject: The 200 Box - Tape 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There must have been a problem at tinyurl.com last night because both my original links still work for me this morning. But thanks for providing alternative URLs, Bill. Eddie. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "john guthrie" wrote: > > these last ones work for me > > thanks! > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:12 PM, billfromnorthwales < > billfromnorthwales@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Try this > > > > http://tiny.cc/vs64E > > > > and this > > > > http://tiny.cc/iq0ld > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Ian Wilson" > > wrote: > > > > > > Part 1 was fine.....couldnt get part 2 though - "Error" > > > > > > 2008/8/24 Dr Mango > > > > > > > Sadly, those tinyurl links won't work for me. Anyone else > > having > > > > trouble? > > > > > > > > DM > > > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 23/8/08, Ed Duffy * wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Ed Duffy > > > > Subject: [peel] The 200 Box - Tape 1 > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 8:43 PM > > > > > > > > OK, here's the first of my (so-called) '200 Box'. Please be aware > > > > that, unlike in the 400 Box, there don't appear to be any full > > shows > > > > in this set. So the best you can generally hope for is a C-90's- > > worth, > > > > or three quarters of a 2-hour show. But hopefully we'll pick up a > > few > > > > goodies such as Peelennia along the way. > > > > > > > > Onto the tape I've labelled DPP001, then: 90 minutes of the 30th. > > May > > > > 2000 show, featuring Lianne Hall and Pico in session. The > > tracklisting > > > > is available at Lorcan's site here: > > > > > > > > http://www.avistic. demon.co. uk/playlists/ > > 2000/22.txt > > > > > > > > We join the show midway through the second track (Sender Berlin), > > and > > > > take our leave just as The Upholsterers kick in. The tape flip > > happens > > > > at the Foehn track, but the two parts seem to flow together > > reasonably > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Part 1: > > > > http://tinyurl. com/55zbpe > > > > > > > > Part 2: > > > > http://tinyurl. com/6e96lm > > > > > > > > More to come... > > > > > > > > Eddie. > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From michstoecker@... Sun Aug 24 19:35:16 2008 From: michstoecker@... (michael stoecker) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:35:16 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Friday Rock Show In-Reply-To: <57672.86.152.146.28.1219500115.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@86.152.146.28> References: <57672.86.152.146.28.1219500115.QVVGFWgAQUt7.squirrel@86.152.146.28> Message-ID: Can't say I hear anyone use "Mac" at all nowadays, though I bet I've said "Listen Mac" before when trying to set the story straight in a conversation. Michael To: peel@yahoogroups.com From: eddie.duffy@... Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:01:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Friday Rock Show Well, I managed to guess it (*brushes lapels*). I wasn't sure about Big Shot, but given the "Sam Spade voiceover" nature of the lyrics it was always possible. "Got a light, Mac?" is more of an American expression, I think; one you might find in films from the Forties or Fifties. However, I'm not sure even the Yanks use "Mac" nowadays. Michael, or any other Americans on the board, might be able to put us right there. Eddie. > F*ck me, that's an obscure connection ! Betya no-one got that > answer....... > > I've never heard the phrase "Got a light, Mac ?" before - maybe > it was big in the 60's (or Scotland). More likely round these > northern parts is "Got a light, mate ?" or "Got a light, pal". > In Yorkshire you can be called "bud" as well ........ > > Bye > Buddy MacPoor > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >> >> Fellow Peelites >> >> The answer is that the word 'punk' is mentioned in all three songs. >> The Tubes connection is obvious: the Clash song goes, 'punk rockers > in >> the UK/They don't notice anyway/They're all too busy fighting/To > get a >> good place under the lighting'. The Bonzos come up with the classic >> corny gag, 'A punk stopped me on the street and said, "Have you got > a >> light, mac?", and I said, "No, but I've got a dark brown > overcoat".' >> Boom boom. >> I remember hearing the 'right track' segment frequently, as Freeman >> segued that song with a snatch of Grieg's 'In The Hall Of The > Mountain >> King', but never took part. Happy days. >> >> Best wishes >> Steve [Teenage Kicks] >> >> --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dunelm61" wrote: >> > >> > Whenever quiz questions ask for the connection between three or > more >> > musicians, I usually just say "Patsy Kensit". More often than not > it's >> > the correct answer. >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "billfromnorthwales" >> > wrote: >> > >> > OK I give up! >> > >> > What's the connection?? >> > >> > Did you ever do Alan Freeman's original "Get on the right track?" >> > >> > > > From ken_garner@... Mon Aug 25 00:37:34 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:37:34 -0000 Subject: One last time "Coming up soon, the midnight news summary" Message-ID: track listing etc now up (with some help from our host, and one or two unknown details only) on the wiki site for my rip of 28/9/88 show. Those links again: Peel 1988-09-28a, R2 Sports Desk & R1 10pm news bulletin, 7' 34", 17.3MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9D8W6ZF4 Peel 1988-09-28b, 56' 15", 128.7MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C2YC5BZY Peel 1988-09-28c, incl. start of midnight news, 1hr 03' 53", 146.2MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NHDOWC68 enjoy k From saipanda@... Mon Aug 25 06:39:49 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:39:49 -0000 Subject: One last time "Coming up soon, the midnight news summary" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks indeed to Ken for his listing on the Wiki, as well as the show. Great stuff, especially all the session material, new and old. I always love early Bunnymen, before they adjusted their sound and gave up the drum machine. (Pretty fantastic afterwards as well of course.) The first Peel session is the main source nowadays as far as I know, as well as the first single (Pictures On My Wall, Zoo version) and the odd compilation track. Anyway, here's the Wiki link for Ken's show: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/28_September_1988 Very much appreciate all contributions to the Wiki, especially tracklistings and session information for 400 Box shows. Hope the Wiki can become a proper group resource with people feeling free to add info. If you have a go, I think you'll find it's pretty easy to use. Just click on the "Edit" link at the start of each section of a page or use the guides on the front page. Make your changes, preview, then save the page. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > > track listing etc now up (with some help from our host, and one or two unknown details only) > on the wiki site for my rip of 28/9/88 show. > > Those links again: > > Peel 1988-09-28a, R2 Sports Desk & R1 10pm news bulletin, 7' 34", 17.3MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9D8W6ZF4 > > Peel 1988-09-28b, 56' 15", 128.7MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C2YC5BZY > > Peel 1988-09-28c, incl. start of midnight news, 1hr 03' 53", 146.2MB > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NHDOWC68 > > enjoy > > k > From thebarguest@... Mon Aug 25 12:52:56 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:52:56 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just checked the Wiki 400Box section, and seen some 1978 shows marked as "shared" (11/7,14/7,25/9,27/7,28/7). However, I can't see any download links to these anywhere ....... Please help - I've paid my 20 quid ! (Apologies in advance if I've missed something obvious) --- In peel@...m, "saipanda" wrote: > > First, many thanks to Rocker and Eddie for yesterday's shows plus the latest 400 Box > spreadsheet from Rocker. > > I've tried to reflect these at the Wiki, although don't think I can manage all the tracklistings > for Box 400 shows on my own (please feel free to help): > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > Have also added a section on the "Peel newsgroup" Wiki page to keep track of the > assorting other uploads here -- including a linked Box 200 page for Eddie's new epic > (although not exactly sure what name he wants to be known as). Please find this via the > Peel Wiki main page. > > Need to update it a little, including these last two for Eddie from his list: > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307002/1992-01-05_milk__hole.zip.html > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307183/2001-06- 19_bell_sebastian.zip.html > > Finally, thanks to Gary for sorting out Andrew's file hosting situation. Have put a notice on > the Wiki -- hope that's OK. Can't wait to hear the shows. (Incidentally, can send you a > copy of that NME interview if you don't have one). > > Cheers, > > Steve W > From alan@... Mon Aug 25 13:08:58 2008 From: alan@... (alanforduk) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:08:58 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Holy Grails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andthezmore, Thanks for posting this FF back in Jan. However, I've been sorting out all my downloads this weekend, and I can't find this part, Alltimeff5, anywhere. Would it be poss to re-post it?? Thanks Alan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andthezmore" wrote: > > http://rapidshare.com/files/86644897/Alltimeff5.zip > > i've enjoyed doing these tonight. stll not a big fan of atmosphere - be > much better if they took the vocals off. > > i'll get me coat > From saipanda@... Mon Aug 25 14:15:15 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:15:15 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry. I think these are via Rocker (as per his messages here at the weekend). If someone wants to up them (in mp3?) to rapidshare, megaupload or whatever, I'll put those links up, no problem. Cheers, Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Just checked the Wiki 400Box section, and seen some 1978 > shows marked as "shared" (11/7,14/7,25/9,27/7,28/7). > > However, I can't see any download links to these anywhere ....... > > Please help - I've paid my 20 quid ! > > (Apologies in advance if I've missed something obvious) > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > First, many thanks to Rocker and Eddie for yesterday's shows plus > the latest 400 Box > > spreadsheet from Rocker. > > > > I've tried to reflect these at the Wiki, although don't think I can > manage all the tracklistings > > for Box 400 shows on my own (please feel free to help): > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > > > Have also added a section on the "Peel newsgroup" Wiki page to keep > track of the > > assorting other uploads here -- including a linked Box 200 page for > Eddie's new epic > > (although not exactly sure what name he wants to be known as). > Please find this via the > > Peel Wiki main page. > > > > Need to update it a little, including these last two for Eddie from > his list: > > > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307002/1992-01- 05_milk__hole.zip.html > > > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307183/2001-06- > 19_bell_sebastian.zip.html > > > > Finally, thanks to Gary for sorting out Andrew's file hosting > situation. Have put a notice on > > the Wiki -- hope that's OK. Can't wait to hear the shows. > (Incidentally, can send you a > > copy of that NME interview if you don't have one). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve W > > > From thebarguest@... Mon Aug 25 14:36:01 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:36:01 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, that would be great, Steve ! Yes, I'd love to hear those 78 shows ; please could someone make available as mp3 files ? ... I did send an offline email to Rocker as mentioned, a few days ago, but have received no reply ........... Thanks in advance. tbg ps sorry Rocker if there's been a communication breakdown ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Sorry. I think these are via Rocker (as per his messages here at the > weekend). If someone wants to up them (in mp3?) to rapidshare, > megaupload or whatever, I'll put those links up, no problem. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > > > Just checked the Wiki 400Box section, and seen some 1978 > > shows marked as "shared" (11/7,14/7,25/9,27/7,28/7). > > > > However, I can't see any download links to these anywhere ....... > > > > Please help - I've paid my 20 quid ! > > > > (Apologies in advance if I've missed something obvious) > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > > > First, many thanks to Rocker and Eddie for yesterday's shows > plus > > the latest 400 Box > > > spreadsheet from Rocker. > > > > > > I've tried to reflect these at the Wiki, although don't think I > can > > manage all the tracklistings > > > for Box 400 shows on my own (please feel free to help): > > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box > > > > > > Have also added a section on the "Peel newsgroup" Wiki page to > keep > > track of the > > > assorting other uploads here -- including a linked Box 200 page > for > > Eddie's new epic > > > (although not exactly sure what name he wants to be known as). > > Please find this via the > > > Peel Wiki main page. > > > > > > Need to update it a little, including these last two for Eddie > from > > his list: > > > > > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307002/1992-01- > 05_milk__hole.zip.html > > > > > > http://rapidshare.de/files/40307183/2001-06- > > 19_bell_sebastian.zip.html > > > > > > Finally, thanks to Gary for sorting out Andrew's file hosting > > situation. Have put a notice on > > > the Wiki -- hope that's OK. Can't wait to hear the shows. > > (Incidentally, can send you a > > > copy of that NME interview if you don't have one). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Steve W > > > > > > From saipanda@... Mon Aug 25 14:46:10 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:46:10 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm out right now but will try and get to it when I get home later if no one has before. Cheers, Steve W From rockerq@... Mon Aug 25 15:12:47 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:12:47 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? Message-ID: Hi! Looks like these are the shows I have put up as FLACs on my iDisk - at: http://idisk.mac.com/rockerq-Public Until we sort out something more permanent! Cheers! Rocker > < shows marked as "shared" (11/7,14/7,25/ shows mar sh > > However, I can't see any download links to these anywhere ....... > > Please help - I've paid my 20 quid ! > > (Apologies in advance if I've missed something obvious)>> From AndrewThezmore@... Mon Aug 25 15:19:20 2008 From: AndrewThezmore@... (andrewthezmore) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:19:20 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Holy Grails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan - I can't do much apart from browse at the moment, I've got a lot of photos etc hidden on my 'recovered' hard drive which I'm hoping to re-recover, so I'm keeping any up/downloading to a minimum until I get some software in the post. I'll dig out the files when I can and pass them on to Gary for sharing (along with his other FF shows at www.30242b.net) I can't remember how I split these files - I'm assuming part 5 was numbers 10 to 1? At some point I should get around to sharing the full shows for these too If they don't show up in the next month please feel free to email me a nudge Cheers Andrew --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "alanforduk" wrote: > > Andthezmore, > Thanks for posting this FF back in Jan. However, I've been sorting > out all my downloads this weekend, and I can't find this part, > Alltimeff5, anywhere. Would it be poss to re-post it?? > > Thanks > > Alan > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andthezmore" wrote: > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/86644897/Alltimeff5.zip > > > > i've enjoyed doing these tonight. stll not a big fan of atmosphere - > be > > much better if they took the vocals off. > > > > i'll get me coat > > > From vinpinman@... Mon Aug 25 16:12:03 2008 From: vinpinman@... (vinpinman) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:12:03 -0000 Subject: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to Bill for his votes in the new '76 Festive 50, but there are plenty of you on this newsgroup who haven't yet voted for the year specific chart that I'm putting together... http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2008/07/1976-revisited.html --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > Deaf School ! > > Such an underrated band, so unlucky, they were a few years too > early to be part of that Madness, Dury "UK vaudeville" scene .... > > Actually they were much better than Madness, who only had one > good song "One Step Beyond". After that they were chart whores. > > Check out the Deaf School anthology "What A Way To End It All" - > all the albums and BBC sessions on a 2cd set ! > > They couldn't exist now - the name is too un-PC ! > > Bye > The Headmaster > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > > > > ok, i'll check the scripts, but my full version of the shows index > suggests I found the > > following: > > > > 1976 > > M 27/12 (Be-Bop Deluxe, Jess Roden, Brand X #2, Aswad, Prior and > Tabor 1st TX > > 27/10/75), and first ever Festive 50 begins, numbers #44-35 > > > > T 28/12 (Stretch #3, Bill Aitken, Racing Cars #2) & Festive 50 #35- > 25 > > > > W 29/12 (Bowles Brothers, Graham Parker and the Rumour #2) & > Festive 50 #24-19 > > > > Th 30/12 (Deaf School, Frankie Miller Band) & Festive 50 #18-11 > > > > F 31/12 no show > > > > > > 1977 > > M 3/1 (Chieftains, Thin Lizzy, Bill Aitken) & Festive 50 #10-1 > > > > ken > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > I'm indebted to you. That would be really helpful. > > > > > > And fingers crossed a recording does turn up. Until recently, I > would never have > > dreamed that recordings of the 1978 Festive Fifty would turn up > (and such good quality, > > complete ones at that). > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Bill Spiby > > > > > > > > > > > From: "ken garner" > > > > Date: 2008/08/22 Fri PM 09:16:06 BST > > > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [peel] Re: 1976 Festive Fifty ponderments! > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't do this today, or next week, but if it stops your > worries that alternate versions > > > > might have been used in the actual broadcast of the first F50, > somewhere here I do > > have (I > > > > think) copies of all the scripts for those shows, PasBs, which > will list the exact track > > and > > > > source of each track. Mostly in the 70s the PasBs are reliable. > I could be wrong but I > > am > > > > pretty certain from memory (I know I listened to it and I have > read the scripts) that no > > BBC > > > > sessions or live concert versions were used for any tracks... > > > > > > > > I do not propose to retype them, but at the risk of incurring > the wrath of the BBC, I > > could > > > > scan them as pdfs and add to this site as indicative examples > of such things, I > > suppose > > > > [note to listers: my files expire at end June 78, sorry]. > > > > > > > > Regarding your other question, yes, sad to relate, but I am not > aware of any official > > audio > > > > recording of these shows as broadcast, although the > experimental online BBC > > programme > > > > archive has now been taken down, so we can't check. I do not > think the Sound > > Archive at > > > > the British Library has them either. Nor have I noticed any of > these shows popping up > > > > recently as rips or streams. > > > > > > > > But, las recent experience here suggests, I am absolutely > certain that someone > > somewhere > > > > in the country must have recorded those shows at the time on a > reel to reel machine. > > It's > > > > just finding that person! > > > > > > > > Give me a few weeks on those PasBs... > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > Buckle up your seatbelts and prepare for an onslaught... > nay... an > > > > > avalanche of 1976 Festive Fifty related queries. > > > > > > > > > > As some of you already know, for the last few years, I've > been on a > > > > > sub-autistic mission to collect each Festive 50 entry: > primarily in > > > > > the version broadcast and then also in any version released > or > > > > > broadcast up to that point (therefore theoretically > eligible). I'm > > > > > not counting boots – which I know is kinda problematic. So > welcome to > > > > > the first in an ongoing series of queryfests (I'm guessing > they'll be > > > > > quarterly ish (essentially, whenever I've got a week off > work)). > > > > > > > > > > So down to business, starting with a question that I sadly > know the > > > > > answer to > > > > > Are there any surviving copies, clips, snippets of the 1976 > Festive > > > > > Fifty broadcast? > > > > > More realistically, is there any surviving paperwork, > indicating the > > > > > versions broadcast? > > > > > And for our older subscribers, does anyone have any > recollections > > > > > relating to any of the tracks played (I was only 7!!) > > > > > I've detailed my informed guesses/speculation with regard to > each > > > > > track below. Please feel free to agree/advise/shoot me down > in flames > > > > > (that's why I'm listing them). > > > > > > > > > > John Peel Festive 50 1976 > > > > > > > > > > 1 Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven > > > > > Would surely have played Led Zeppelin IV version (8.00) and > indeed > > > > > does during the 78FF > > > > > Also eligible: (depending when voting took place - anyone?) > the live > > > > > version from The Song Remains the Same (10.58) > > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (8.49). Is this > edited > > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > > > > > > > 2 Derek and the Dominoes – Layla > > > > > Very likely played version from Layla and Other Assorted Love > Songs > > > > > (7.04) [This seems to be version JP plays before 1978 Festive > Fifty > > > > > broadcast] > > > > > Also eligible: the truncated single (2.43) > > > > > I think the versions on the 1972 compilations `The History of > Eric > > > > > Clapton' and `Eric Clapton at His Best' are the same as Layla > and > > > > > Other Assorted Love Songs > > > > > > > > > > 3 Bob Dylan – Desolation Row > > > > > Got to be from Highway 61 Revisited [and indeed JP plays it > from > > > > > there for 78FF broadcast] > > > > > > > > > > 4 Pink Floyd - Echoes > > > > > Has to be from Meddle (23.21) > > > > > > > > > > 5 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – All Along the Watchtower > > > > > Probably from Electric Ladyland (4.00) and think the single > is > > > > > identical > > > > > Eligible: Live version on Isle of Wight (5.39) > > > > > The US version of compilation Smash Hits has alternate take > (4.00). > > > > > Was it available in UK? > > > > > > > > > > 6 Free – All Right Now > > > > > Probably Fire and Water version 5.32 [this is the one JP > plays before > > > > > 78FF] > > > > > Eligible: truncated reworked single (4.18) > > > > > BBC session version (anyone got any details on this one?) > > > > > BBC In Concert version (again any details?) > > > > > Live version on Free Live! (6.24) > > > > > > > > > > 7 Racing Cars – They Shoot Horses Don't They > > > > > Probably from Downtown Tonight > > > > > Eligible: Peel Session > > > > > > > > > > 8 Pink Floyd – Shine on You Crazy Diamond > > > > > Potential to be a tricky one. The reasonable assumption is > that this > > > > > refers to Parts 1-5 on Wish You Were Here (13.31) and this is > what JP > > > > > plays in the 78FF. > > > > > An argument could be made for 6-9 from the same to be > eligible also > > > > > (12.28) > > > > > > > > > > 9 The Beatles – A Day in the Life > > > > > Has to be Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (5.33). > Suppose the > > > > > only question is whether JP let the final note play out? Did > we even > > > > > get the run out groove? > > > > > > > > > > 10 Bob Dylan – Like A Rolling Stone > > > > > Think standard single and Highway 61 version are identical > (6.09) and > > > > > that JP would have played it from one of these. > > > > > Eligible: live version on Self-Portrait (5.18) > > > > > Live version on Before the Flood (7.09) > > > > > Plus there are singles with song split across both sides. > Don't think > > > > > these were available in UK and really are the same as main > version. > > > > > > > > > > 11 Poco – Rose of Cimarron > > > > > As far as I can tell this would have to be the Rose of > Cimarron LP > > > > > version (6.42) and indeed this is what he plays in the run up > to the > > > > > 78FF > > > > > > > > > > 12 Neil Young – Cortez the Killer > > > > > This has to be from Zuma (7.29) > > > > > > > > > > 13 The Rolling Stones – Brown Sugar > > > > > The single or Sticky Fingers (3.50). I think they're > identical. > > > > > > > > > > 14 The Beatles – Hey Jude > > > > > Has to be the single version (7.05) > > > > > > > > > > 15 Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed > > > > > I think there's possibly just the single version of this. > Help anyone? > > > > > > > > > > 16 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) > > > > > Probably played from Electric Ladyland (5.12) and I think > single is > > > > > identical despite name change. > > > > > Eligible: Live versions on Hendrix in the West (7.49) and > More > > > > > Experience (7.17), which seem to be derived from same set. > What > > > > > accounts for difference in running time? HitW is not listed > as Slight > > > > > Return but assuming it is that version. > > > > > > > > > > 17 The Beatles – Strawberry Fields Forever > > > > > Has to be the single version (4.10) > > > > > > > > > > 18 Captain Beefheart – Big Eyed Beans from Venus > > > > > Has to be from Clear Spot (4.23) > > > > > > > > > > 19 Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love > > > > > Highly likely to be the version from Led Zeppelin II (5.34) > > > > > Also eligible: live version from The Song Remains the Same LP > (14.25) > > > > > (again depending on when vote took place) > > > > > The Top Gear session (6.09) > > > > > The `In Concert' version broadcast on Radio 1 (13.45). Is > this edited > > > > > on BBC Sessions CD as compared to broadcast? > > > > > Plus... was the truncated single version (3.10) actually > `available' > > > > > at this point. I don't think so. > > > > > > > > > > 20 Lynyrd Skynyrd – Freebird > > > > > Probably from pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd (9.07). I think > single is > > > > > identical. This is version played during 78FF broadcast. > > > > > Eligible: Live version on One More from the Road (11.30) > (remastered > > > > > CD is slightly different to original vinyl release btw for > extra > > > > > pedantry points) depending when the vote took place. I'm > guessing > > > > > live single is identical. > > > > > > > > > > 21 Van Morrison – Madame George > > > > > Probably played from Astral Weeks (9.45) as indeed it was > during 78FF > > > > > broadcast. > > > > > Eligible: TB Sheets version (5.13) > > > > > > > > > > 22 The Doors – Riders on the Storm > > > > > Probably played LA Woman version (7.09) and this is what is > played in > > > > > run up to 78FF > > > > > Eligible: single edit (4.35) > > > > > > > > > > 24 Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit > > > > > Probably the stereo single or Surrealistic Pillow (2.30) > version. I > > > > > think there the same. > > > > > Eligible: Mono single mix (2.58) which apparently runs 2.58. > Can > > > > > anyone confirm? > > > > > > > > > > 25 Deep Purple – Child in Time > > > > > Probably played from In Rock (10.18). Think single is same > version > > > > > Eligible: Live version on Made in Japan (12.24) > > > > > > > > > > 26 Little Feat – Long Distance Love > > > > > Has to be from The Last Record Album (2.43) and this is > indeed > > > > > version played in run-up to 78FF > > > > > > > > > > 27 Grinderswitch – Pickin' the Blues > > > > > As far as I know, there's only the Macon Tracks version (5.04) > > > > > > > > > > 28 Joe Walsh – Rocky Mountain Way > > > > > Probably from The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get > (5.15). I > > > > > think the single is the same version. > > > > > Eligible: Live version on You Can't Argue with a Sick Mind > (7.40) > > > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > > > > > 29 The Who – Won't Get Fooled Again > > > > > Probably from Who's Next (8.32). This is version played in > 78FF run-up > > > > > Eligible: single edit (3.38) > > > > > > > > > > 30 The Misunderstood – I Can Take You to the Sun > > > > > Got to be the single version > > > > > > > > > > 31 Genesis – Supper's Ready > > > > > Has to be from Foxtrot (22.54) > > > > > > > > > > 32 Bob Marley and the Wailers – No Woman, No Cry > > > > > Probably the version from Live! > > > > > Eligible: the original version on Natty Dread (4.06) > > > > > > > > > > 33 Jonathan Richman and the Modern lovers - Roadrunner > > > > > I'm tentatively guessing the Beserkley single version aka > Roadrunner > > > > > (Once) was played, despite the fact that it was credited to > Richman > > > > > only > > > > > Eligible: The earlier John Cale produced single (4.04) which > crops up > > > > > on The Modern Lovers LP and was called Roadrunner (Twice) > when > > > > > reissued with the above > > > > > > > > > > 34 Rod Stewart – Maggie May > > > > > I'm guessing the single (5.46) > > > > > Eligible: have seen Every Picture Tells a Story version with > running > > > > > time of (5.16). Can anyone confirm? > > > > > > > > > > 35 Jackson Browne – Late for the Sky > > > > > Would think it inevitably has to be from Late for the Sky LP > (5.36). > > > > > Is single the same version? > > > > > > > > > > 36 Led Zeppelin – Kashmir > > > > > Go to be from Physical Graffiti (8.28) > > > > > > > > > > 37 The Jimi Hendrix Experience – Hey Joe > > > > > Probably the single version (3.30) > > > > > Eligible: Live version from Soundtrack Recordings from the > Film Jimi > > > > > Hendrix (3.50) > > > > > > > > > > 38 Allman Brothers Band – Jessica > > > > > Probably played the version from Brothers and Sisters (7.31) > > > > > Eligible: single edit (7.00) > > > > > Live version on Wipe the Windows, Check the Oil, Dollar Gas > (9.05) > > > > > depending on when voting took place > > > > > > > > > > 39 The Rolling Stones – Jumping Jack Flash > > > > > Probably played the single (3.43) > > > > > Eligible: Live version on Get Your Ya-Ya's Out (4.02) > > > > > > > > > > 40 Grateful Dead – Dark Star > > > > > Surely would have been from Live/Dead (23.18) > > > > > Eligible: single (2.44) > > > > > > > > > > 41 Richard and Linda Thompson – I Want to See the Bright > Lights > > > > > Tonight > > > > > Has to be from I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight LP > > > > > > > > > > 42 Family – The Weavers Answer > > > > > Probably played the Family Entertainment version > > > > > Eligible: The remixed version on Old Songs, New Songs > > > > > The BBC session version > > > > > > > > > > 43 Jackson Browne – Fountain of Sorrow > > > > > Has to be from Late for the Sky (6.42) > > > > > > > > > > 44 Bob Dylan – Hurricane > > > > > Fairly sure the single and Desire versions are identical > (8.33) > > > > > Again may be split single with track across both sides (not > sure and > > > > > still it would essentially be same version) > > > > > > > > > > 45 The Doors – Light My Fire > > > > > Probably played The Doors LP version (7.06) > > > > > Eligible: the truncated single (3.07) > > > > > Possibly the radio promo version (4.40). Not sure if this was > > > > > available in UK. > > > > > > > > > > 46 Matching Mole – O Caroline > > > > > Has to be from Matching Mole LP (5.05) > > > > > > > > > > 47 Roy Harper – When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease > > > > > Think HQ and single version (7.13) are the same > > > > > > > > > > 48 Wild Man Fischer – Go to Rhino Records > > > > > Has to be the single > > > > > > > > > > 49 Little Feat – Willin' > > > > > Probably version from Sailin' Shoes (2.57). It's the one he > favours > > > > > for the 78FF run-up. > > > > > Eligible: The original version on Little Feat LP (2.24) > > > > > > > > > > 50 Yes – And You and I > > > > > Close to the Edge (10.08) > > > > > Eligible: live version on Yessongs (9.33) > > > > > Eligible (ish): the US single split the song over two sides. > Not > > > > > really alternative version! > > > > > > > > > > Look forward to those responses > > > > > Regards Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > From billfromnorthwales@... Mon Aug 25 17:05:10 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:05:10 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 4 Message-ID: Here is the final part of the 1978 Festive Fifty broadcast on Monday 1 January 1979 at 10PM http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3KEKM17X This is the full 2 hour show, which as well as playing numbers 10 to 1 of the FF, also includes sessions by De Dannen from January 1978 Siouxsie and the Banshees from February 1978 Elvis Costello and the Attractions from March 1978 Reggae Regular from April 1978 Boomtown Rats from May 1978 AS with the other 3 parts, I have tried to patch up the joins from tape flips/changes with varying success. In case you missed the others Part 3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H Part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW Part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT My next project is for 1983(5 x 2 hour) complete shows, but I only have about 70%, so I'm hoping the 400 box will have the missing bits Bill From saipanda@... Mon Aug 25 20:40:28 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:40:28 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, here's my first of these, an mp3 version of 14 July 1978. Thanks to Rocker for putting up the Flac files in the first place, and for all his other hard work on the 400 Box. http://rapidshare.de/files/40318976/Peel_19780714.mp3.zip.html It's pretty late here now, so hope you'll forgive me if I crash out and do the rest tomorrow, if no one else does first, along with assorted updates on the Wiki. So much going on in these parts these days -- brilliant. Bill, can't wait to listen to the final installment of the 78 Festive Fifty. Historic stuff! Thanks again everyone, Steve W From lists@... Mon Aug 25 22:24:27 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:24:27 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Holy Grails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll upload all five parts tomorrow. Regards gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andrewthezmore" wrote: > > Alan - I can't do much apart from browse at the moment, I've got a > lot of photos etc hidden on my 'recovered' hard drive which I'm > hoping to re-recover, so I'm keeping any up/downloading to a > minimum until I get some software in the post. > I'll dig out the files when I can and pass them on to Gary for > sharing (along with his other FF shows at www.30242b.net) I can't > remember how I split these files - I'm assuming part 5 was numbers > 10 to 1? At some point I should get around to sharing the full shows > for these too > > If they don't show up in the next month please feel free to email me > a nudge > > Cheers > Andrew > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "alanforduk" wrote: > > > > Andthezmore, > > Thanks for posting this FF back in Jan. However, I've been sorting > > out all my downloads this weekend, and I can't find this part, > > Alltimeff5, anywhere. Would it be poss to re-post it?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "andthezmore" wrote: > > > > > > http://rapidshare.com/files/86644897/Alltimeff5.zip > > > > > > i've enjoyed doing these tonight. stll not a big fan of > atmosphere - > > be > > > much better if they took the vocals off. > > > > > > i'll get me coat > > > > > > From alan@... Tue Aug 26 00:22:51 2008 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:22:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 4 References: Message-ID: <001901c90701$1dbee020$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Many thanks for these, Bill. I have to confess that when I recorded F50's I always discarded the non-chart portions of the shows. I regret it now. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 4 Here is the final part of the 1978 Festive Fifty broadcast on Monday 1 January 1979 at 10PM http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3KEKM17X This is the full 2 hour show, which as well as playing numbers 10 to 1 of the FF, also includes sessions by De Dannen from January 1978 Siouxsie and the Banshees from February 1978 Elvis Costello and the Attractions from March 1978 Reggae Regular from April 1978 Boomtown Rats from May 1978 AS with the other 3 parts, I have tried to patch up the joins from tape flips/changes with varying success. In case you missed the others Part 3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H Part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW Part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT My next project is for 1983(5 x 2 hour) complete shows, but I only have about 70%, so I'm hoping the 400 box will have the missing bits Bill No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 25/08/2008 07:05 From ready2rock@... Tue Aug 26 00:53:17 2008 From: ready2rock@... (dontsleepinthesubwaydarlin) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:53:17 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 1978 Part 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: three cheers for billfromnorthwales Hurrah! Hurrah!!! HURRAHHHHHH!!!!!! Fantastic stuff, & I (for one of many, I'm sure) can't thank you enough! From saipanda@... Tue Aug 26 10:18:08 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:18:08 -0000 Subject: bits and pieces - latest 400Box shows ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, here's the other three of Rocker's in mp3. Hope links work OK. 11 July 1978 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B4951MHI 27 July 1978 http://rapidshare.de/files/40322308/Peel_19780727.mp3.zip.html 28 July 1978 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7JBATJ87 Cheers, Steve W From burzyk@... Tue Aug 26 14:19:50 2008 From: burzyk@... (Piotr) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:19:50 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Radio Archive - dead links Message-ID: Hiya, Who may I contact to report dead links on the following page: http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html ? Best, Piotr From lists@... Tue Aug 26 17:16:17 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:16:17 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Radio Archive - dead links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Works here ! Any one else having problems? Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr" wrote: > > Hiya, > > Who may I contact to report dead links on the following page: > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html ? > > Best, > > Piotr > From roger.carruthers@... Tue Aug 26 17:33:11 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:33:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Festive Fifty Radio Archive - dead links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Haven¹t tried any file links yet, but did notice that the link to the Wiki is a wrong Œun, Cheers roger On 26/08/2008 16:16, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > Works here ! > Any one else having problems? > > Regards > Gary > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Piotr" > wrote: >> > >> > Hiya, >> > >> > Who may I contact to report dead links on the following page: >> > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html ? >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Piotr >> > > > > From lists@... Tue Aug 26 17:39:31 2008 From: lists@... (llrc057) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:39:31 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty Radio Archive - dead links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Roger. I'll sort. Regards Gary --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Roger Carruthers wrote: > > Haven¹t tried any file links yet, but did notice that the link to the Wiki > is a wrong Œun, > Cheers > roger > > > On 26/08/2008 16:16, "llrc057" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Works here ! > > Any one else having problems? > > > > Regards > > Gary > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Piotr" > > wrote: > >> > > >> > Hiya, > >> > > >> > Who may I contact to report dead links on the following page: > >> > http://www.30242b.net/JP_FF_index.html ? > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > > >> > Piotr > >> > > > > > > > > From paulsourbutts@... Tue Aug 26 17:46:24 2008 From: paulsourbutts@... (paul) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:46:24 -0000 Subject: Delighted to have, but... Message-ID: These Ebay purchased tapes of John's shows are fantastic. It was great to hear The Numbers' Leather Jacket for example. I look forward to downloading the complete set. Here's my problem. I can't seem to be able to get any shows that are stored at the Rapid Share site; the ones from Mega Upload site work fine. Can anyone advise me if there is a known problem, or am I just being dumb? From rushomancy@... Tue Aug 26 17:49:12 2008 From: rushomancy@... (rushomancy) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:49:12 -0000 Subject: Ken's Peel Sessions Book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > > No, there is currently no online resource of errata to my book! But I am compiling my own > marked up master copy, and have a half baked plan - don't hold your breath anyone - to > start a blog via my university website giving a kind of weekly update on various further > corrections that have come to light. I had planned to do a hard copy corrections slip - ie a > few pages you lot could stick in the back of the book - this year privately, but have run > out of time and I suspect a blog might be more visible. So, folks, please do not be bashful > about sending me anything you spot that's wrong, puzzling, or incomplete - yes, I know I > missed Van der graaf generator's session releases, for example - my full email is visible > here anyway. All comments gratefully received Right. When I get a chance, I will get to work on corrections! > ps your query about which sessions are known not to exist is the big one of course. Until > my book, the R1 and BBC archivists would tell me "we don't know what we haven't got" > Why would they? Their job is documenting the vast stuff the BBC does every day now - > they are not paid to ferret around and try and find out what they might be missing from > 1972! I do know that Hannah Brannah-Martin (nee Jacobs) and some Maida Vale people > are gradually starting to go through ticking off things they do have, thanks to my book, > which, by implication, will slowly reveal what they are missing. The old rule of thumb used > to be, unless it was personally produced by Bernie Andrews, Jeff Griffin, or John Walters > (and was one walters liked), nothing pre-1977 survives. But we now know that's not quite > true. Very little of all sessions (incl non-peel sounds of the 70s etc) survives from 1970- > 1975, but 1967-1969 is not too bad at all. I heard that The Nick Drake night ride session > has recently turned up in an off air collection, as has the Leonard Cohen on Top Gear, for > example. Not sure that's right about Tim Buckley's 2nd, though: Bernie produced it > himself so I bet he has it and / or it's in the R1 archive. Regarding the Nick Drake, I do know about the four minutes known to exist, and I have heard that the complete session may survive, but without Peel's intros and outros. Certainly I could be completely wrong about the Buckley, but if it does survive this fact seems not to have been widely known- Tim Buckley is one of the artists whose archive recordings are most frequently commercially released. While the first session has been officially released (although in fairly poor quality), the second has not, and isn't around as a bootleg either. I do remember that Peel repeated the first Buckley session late in his career- after having the predictable (for Peel) problems with the CD he attempted to play it from initially, he wound up scrounging around for a minidisc and playing it from that. I don't recall the source of the minidisc, though. I am pretty sure both of the Beefheart sessions only survive as off-air recordings- when the shows were repeated it was from off-air audiocassettes made by fans, and shortly before his death the compilers of a box set of unreleased Beefheart tapes specifically asked him if he had recordings, and he didn't, although I think he may have been the source for the '68 Kidderminster recording on disc 2 of the set, I can't rightly recall offhand. From roger.carruthers@... Tue Aug 26 17:50:10 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (bty997881) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:50:10 -0000 Subject: So we're doing what, now...? Message-ID: Just got back off a fortnight's hols to find a few hundred mails from the group. Now i [i]could[/i] probably read them all and work it out, but being slightly ferry-lagged I thought I'd first ask if anyone could kindly summarise what we're doing with the tapes once we've digitised them (I hope to have a small package of value waiting for me when I get to work tomorrow). The sort of thing I'm after is: Do we have a central uploading repository, or are we using the usual file hosts (Rapidshare etc.) ? What conventions are we using for file names ? What about tracklists etc. ? Plus anything else i should know, of course, TIA, Roger From saipanda@... Tue Aug 26 19:37:32 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:37:32 -0000 Subject: So we're doing what, now...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Roger, As far as I know, the situation is that there doesn't seem to be a central upload repository as yet. That being the case, it's generally been the case of mp3 uploads to the usual file hosts, I think on the basis that if nothing else turns up flac files can at least be sent back to Rocker HQ with the tapes in the end of the day, then treed, torrented, whatever. Fpr tracklistings, the Wiki seems to be OK as a place for people to post them as we go along. Have a list of shows so far shared on the "400 Box" page if you want a quick summary of the state of play so far with links for shows and thus downloads, etc: http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/400_Box Hope you had a good holiday. Cheers, Steve W From lollygagger@... Wed Aug 27 14:14:47 2008 From: lollygagger@... (lollygagger) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:14:47 +0100 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 4 In-Reply-To: <001901c90701$1dbee020$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> References: <001901c90701$1dbee020$0201a8c0@fordyidkviebja> Message-ID: <7F68A71CD4B8436FB49E0424F6048BB3@LAPTOP> I often found the non chart parts often better than many of the tracks the listeners had picked. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ford To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 4 Many thanks for these, Bill. I have to confess that when I recorded F50's I always discarded the non-chart portions of the shows. I regret it now. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: billfromnorthwales To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: [peel] Festive 50 1978 Part 4 Here is the final part of the 1978 Festive Fifty broadcast on Monday 1 January 1979 at 10PM http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3KEKM17X This is the full 2 hour show, which as well as playing numbers 10 to 1 of the FF, also includes sessions by De Dannen from January 1978 Siouxsie and the Banshees from February 1978 Elvis Costello and the Attractions from March 1978 Reggae Regular from April 1978 Boomtown Rats from May 1978 AS with the other 3 parts, I have tried to patch up the joins from tape flips/changes with varying success. In case you missed the others Part 3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDA1EO9H Part 2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4C6AZBQW Part 1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5AATNNJT My next project is for 1983(5 x 2 hour) complete shows, but I only have about 70%, so I'm hoping the 400 box will have the missing bits Bill No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 25/08/2008 07:05 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1632 - Release Date: 25/08/2008 07:05 From robfleay@... Wed Aug 27 14:45:08 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:45:08 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Beefheart tape Message-ID: <20080827124508.OCBC29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > I think he may have been the source for the '68 > Kidderminster recording on disc 2 of the set, I can't > rightly recall offhand. Correct. I think Peel mentioned several times on air over the years that he still had a tape he made of the '68 Kidderminster gig and I remember corresponding with a die-hard Beefheart fan who bumped into him once and pestered him for a copy. The tape he received from Peel was mono (ie it was only coming out of the left channel) so I fixed his copy for him so it came out of both speakers - much to his delight! I don't know if the Grow Fins boxset used this version of the recording or if they directly sourced the original tapes from Peel. We'll probably never know... ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From john.bravin@... Wed Aug 27 20:10:55 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:10:55 +0200 Subject: Free downloads of John Peel sessions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B598AF.3020406@...> This may be old news to some but: BBC Worldwide is planning to launch a targeted web music service from early next year, tapping the corporation's vast audio archive that includes the Old Grey Whistle Test, the John Peel Sessions and the Six Music hub. Users will be able to stream tracks for free with the ad-funded service from BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm. Digital rights-free tracks, which will play across any brand of media player, will be available for download to own. Further details on www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/27/bbc.digitalmedia?gusrc=rss&feed=media John From tonydonaghey@... Wed Aug 27 22:23:29 2008 From: tonydonaghey@... (tony donaghey) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Request for some help Message-ID: <763809.9731.qm@...> My Friend's band has a chance to be featured in a music exhibition in Liverpool on a digital jukebox. A track a month is chosen amongst current Liverpool unsigned bands and they The Majority are there with their song Windowframe - please check them out in top friends on here. To Vote - GO TO www. myspace. com/thebeatgoesonliverpool and click on their song on the left hand side to register your vote - no registration or e-mailing involved. Your support would be greatly appreciated Tony From john.bravin@... Thu Aug 28 20:05:24 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:05:24 +0200 Subject: Two snippets for download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B6E8E4.5060901@...> Those of you with a slow speed connection or strict bandwidth limits, may feel they are missing out on the 400 tapes feeding frenzy. For you here are two mini John Peel snippets that you can download without worry. The first is Peel introducing and playing 11 tracks in a file of size 1MB. Before the "compression is sonic murder" police get me, I hasten to add that this is a wonderful example of thrash by a band from East Croydon, Australia.and is such a small file as all 11 tracks last only 7 seconds. John_Peel_-_7_Seconds_Of_Nausea_-_11_Tracks.mp3 The second is a great example of Peel's dry humour. Sorry Angela of Northumberland if you are reading this.... John_Peel_-_Modern_education.mp3 John From roger.carruthers@... Thu Aug 28 21:26:45 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (Roger Carruthers) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:26:45 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: Another Cassette Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, just found this one, which (sort of) answers a question I was about to ask, ie. are we OK about re-housing these tapes ? I have a particularly sticky one, and I was about to do just that, but wanted to be absolutely sure that it¹s OK with the group first. Most of the tapes I¹ve received so far are recorded over commercially pre-recorded cassettes, and are thus Œsealed¹. I¹m quite happy cracking them open and re-potting them where necessary - I sometimes have to do this to repair old library stock where I work. So if anyone does have a problem tape that they don¹t feel up to tackling, I¹d be happy to help out. Of those I¹ve played so far, the quality is quite varied ­ some fast, some slow, some shedding oxide like there¹s no tomorrow and others pretty solid. It¹s gratifying to think the owner considered Peel¹s shows to be more important than his collection of Deep Purple and Manfred Mann¹s Earth Band tapes ­ or perhaps he just worked in a charity shop ;-) Cheers roger On 16/08/2008 13:13, "billfromnorthwales" wrote: > > > > You need to put the reel in a new cassette shell. > > I had to do this on a few. > > See here > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/message/7431 > > and here > > http://tiny.cc/1GnIT > > The old cassette probably does not have screws, so you have to prize > it open gently all the way round, starting off at the protect tabs. > > Or send it back to rocker and he can save all the problem tapes to > the end. > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , RobF > wrote: >> > >> > One of the tapes in the first batch I have from Rocker is a > Pinnacle C-120. >> > >> > When I played it, it started out OK but then the speed started to > go wonky, like a 7" pressed off centre - every second or so the tape > goes slow then speeds up again. >> > >> > I can see that the tape spindles are sticking, and then when I > tried to fast forward or rewind it, eventually it ground to a halt. >> > >> > Winding it on with a pencil I can feel that the tape is really > tight, SO my question is really what do I do? >> > >> > Any advice appreciated. My Cassette deck is a TEAC V-615 - not > exactly top of the range but not bad. Is this tape just beyond help > or should we put this in a pile marked "problem children" and let > someone more expert than me deal with it? >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email >> > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam >> > > > > From rockerq@... Thu Aug 28 21:46:26 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:46:26 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Another Cassette Question Message-ID: I would mention that the first thing to do (after cleaning your heads!) is to fast forward and rewind the entire length of the tape. If the tape is too badly wound to RW/FF I often find that either squeezing the sides of the cassette, or rapping it sharply on the desk, will re-align the tape enough to allow more freedom of movement. However, if it is the actual spools sticking, then yes, the extra work of transplanting the tape to a new housing may be required - I guess it may also be worth trying it in another machine if you have one otherwise then yeah - send it back to me un-ripped and I will send it to one of our experts! Cheers! Rocker PS my own ripping is proceeding, I have around 5 more shows on my Mac now, waiting for me to get time to edit them & correct speeds etc. > < to ask, ie. are we OK about re-housing these tapes ? I have a particularly > sticky one, and I was about to do just that, but wanted to be absolutely sure > that it’s OK with the group first. >  Most of the tapes I’ve received so far are recorded over commercially > pre-recorded cassettes, and are thus ‘sealed’. I’m quite happy cracking them open > and re-potting them where necessary  - I sometimes have to do this to repair > old library stock where I work. So if anyone does have a problem tape that > they don’t feel up to tackling, I’d be happy to help out. >  Of those I’ve played so far, the quality is quite varied – some fast, some > slow, some shedding oxide like there’s no tomorrow and others pretty solid. > It’s gratifying to think the owner considered Peel’s shows to be more > important than his collection of Deep Purple and Manfred Mann’s Earth Band tapes – > or perhaps he just worked in a charity shop ;-) > Cheers > roger>> From billfromnorthwales@... Thu Aug 28 22:29:45 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:29:45 -0000 Subject: Another Cassette Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As Dee Dee pointed out a while back http://tiny.cc/dNOmc The latest batch I have from Rocker has many tapes suffering from this mould, so this should be an interesing challenge. I am going to have to be carefull about this mould spreading to my other tapes..... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > I would mention that the first thing to do (after cleaning your heads!) is to > fast forward and rewind the entire length of the tape. If the tape is too > badly wound to RW/FF I often find that either squeezing the sides of the > cassette, or rapping it sharply on the desk, will re-align the tape enough to allow > more freedom of movement. > > However, if it is the actual spools sticking, then yes, the extra work of > transplanting the tape to a new housing may be required - I guess it may also be > worth trying it in another machine if you have one otherwise then yeah - send > it back to me un-ripped and I will send it to one of our experts! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > PS my own ripping is proceeding, I have around 5 more shows on my Mac now, > waiting for me to get time to edit them & correct speeds etc. > > > > > > < > to ask, ie. are we OK about re-housing these tapes ? I have a particularly > > sticky one, and I was about to do just that, but wanted to be absolutely sure > > that it’s OK with the group first. > >  Most of the tapes I’ve received so far are recorded over commercially > > pre-recorded cassettes, and are thus ‘sealed’. I’m quite happy cracking them open > > and re-potting them where necessary  - I sometimes have to do this to repair > > old library stock where I work. So if anyone does have a problem tape that > > they don’t feel up to tackling, I’d be happy to help out. > >  Of those I’ve played so far, the quality is quite varied â€" some fast, some > > slow, some shedding oxide like there’s no tomorrow and others pretty solid. > > It’s gratifying to think the owner considered Peel’s shows to be more > > important than his collection of Deep Purple and Manfred Mann’s Earth Band tapes â€" > > or perhaps he just worked in a charity shop ;-) > > Cheers > > roger>> > From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 29 00:49:51 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:49:51 -0000 Subject: 60% of Another One Message-ID: Second post from my personal archives. Not quite as memorable as last week's, but with one or two absolutely delicious Masterchef moments. It's also incomplete, being the first 90 minutes only of a 2.5 hour show, but as far as I can tell unedited. I must have gone (or been) out or something. Once again, the tape whirrs into action a few minutes before Peel, and I have therefore left on Kershaw's last track at the start (partly because it's so delightful) and the 4.30pm news bulletin (spot the difference in style from 1988!) before John charges in. Full track listing to follow on the wiki site by Monday, I hope. Technical details pretty much as before. Peel 1994-03-12a, Sat 4.30-5.15pm, incl Kershaw's last track & 4.30pm news http://www.megaupload.com/?d=831YYTO2 Peel 1994-03-12b, Sat 5.15-6pm http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KUCW2EIK ken ps. can any techno whizz out there tell me why my posts alone get all broken up and don't word wrap normally? They always look fine my end until I've posted them From rockerq@... Fri Aug 29 01:09:30 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:09:30 EDT Subject: [peel] 60% of Another One Message-ID: > < broken up and don't > word wrap normally? They always look fine my end until I've posted them>> > It's just what Yahoo does to your text so they can fit in the advertising down the right hand side. Rocker > From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Aug 29 03:40:21 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:40:21 -0000 Subject: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) Message-ID: Fellow Peelites The following file was liberated by me from Bit Torrent: at last viewing, the link appears to be dead, so in case you don't have this show, and to prevent it vanishing for good, here is the show described on the file as 'John Peel Xmas Secial (sic) 2000'. I was hoping for the 21 December 2000 show, with Cinerama, Murry The Hump and Herman Dune performing festive tunes: what I got instead was half of the 27 Dec 2000 FF show (already available on Gary's wonderful 30242 server) and this file, which is a fairly good quality but horribly edited version of the 19 Dec '25 Years Of The Festive Fifty' special. It is valuable for the session tracks by Billy Bragg, David Gedge, Hefner and Gary Numan, but if anybody has the complete show, please upload it and I will remove this. http://www.divshare.com/download/5265833-31f Tracklisting: Dick Dale, 'Nitro' Billy Bragg, 'Brickbat' Billy Bragg, 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key' Hefner, 'Hymn For The Alcohol' Joy Division, 'Atmosphere' Barmy Army, 'Sharp As A Needle' David Gedge, 'Swimming Pools Movie Stars' Chumbawamba, 'Revolution' Gary Numan, 'Are Friends Electric?' Overlord X, '14 Days In May' Mighty Wah, 'Come Back' Mansun, 'Shot By Both Sides' (just about makes it past the first verse) A big thank you, by the way, to Rocker, Ken, John and all the others who have uploaded shows in recent weeks. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 29 10:29:50 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:29:50 -0000 Subject: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: peel 2000-12-19, 25 Years of The Festive 50, complete, coming soon to this outlet from your new supplier. I'll rip it over the weekend, Steve. Have not listened to it for a while so can't vouch for sound quality, but here's hoping... ken --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > Fellow Peelites > > The following file was liberated by me from Bit Torrent: at last > viewing, the link appears to be dead, so in case you don't have this > show, and to prevent it vanishing for good, here is the show described > on the file as 'John Peel Xmas Secial (sic) 2000'. I was hoping for > the 21 December 2000 show, with Cinerama, Murry The Hump and Herman > Dune performing festive tunes: what I got instead was half of the 27 > Dec 2000 FF show (already available on Gary's wonderful 30242 server) > and this file, which is a fairly good quality but horribly edited > version of the 19 Dec '25 Years Of The Festive Fifty' special. It is > valuable for the session tracks by Billy Bragg, David Gedge, Hefner > and Gary Numan, but if anybody has the complete show, please upload it > and I will remove this. > > http://www.divshare.com/download/5265833-31f > > Tracklisting: > > Dick Dale, 'Nitro' > Billy Bragg, 'Brickbat' > Billy Bragg, 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key' > Hefner, 'Hymn For The Alcohol' > Joy Division, 'Atmosphere' > Barmy Army, 'Sharp As A Needle' > David Gedge, 'Swimming Pools Movie Stars' > Chumbawamba, 'Revolution' > Gary Numan, 'Are Friends Electric?' > Overlord X, '14 Days In May' > Mighty Wah, 'Come Back' > Mansun, 'Shot By Both Sides' (just about makes it past the first verse) > > A big thank you, by the way, to Rocker, Ken, John and all the others > who have uploaded shows in recent weeks. > > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 29 10:45:15 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:45:15 -0000 Subject: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow, that would be excellent, Ken. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "ken garner" wrote: > > > peel 2000-12-19, 25 Years of The Festive 50, complete, coming soon to this outlet from > your new supplier. I'll rip it over the weekend, Steve. Have not listened to it for a while so > can't vouch for sound quality, but here's hoping... > > ken From saipanda@... Fri Aug 29 10:50:28 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:50:28 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP Message-ID: Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour programmes on these famed shows next week: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how many of them there were. Steve W From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 10:53:58 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 8:53:58 +0000 Subject: 400Box question Message-ID: <20080829085358.OQTZ29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Just getting back into the swing of things and sorting out the last few tapes in the batch I was sent. I notice accoring to the wiki I am meant to have T099 which supposedly contains the missing last 10 minutes of 27 June 1979 and some of the 28 June show, but I don't have it. Rocker can you check that it's still with you? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From ken_garner@... Fri Aug 29 11:10:11 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:10:11 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may have missed something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the scripts might be wrong, but the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and Keith Moon ("Radio Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated those before, I think. They must be v heavily edited, whatever... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour > programmes on these famed shows next week: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how > many of them there were. > > Steve W > From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 29 11:25:48 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:25:48 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio show presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 mins each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their native mp2 format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. 2008/8/29 ken garner : > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may have missed > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the scripts might be wrong, but > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and Keith Moon ("Radio > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated those before, I think. > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > k > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour >> programmes on these famed shows next week: >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how >> many of them there were. From paul@... Fri Aug 29 11:41:35 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:41:35 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have the Radio Flashes as Mp3 (Bonzo and Stanshall fan) - but I think that this 1973 material is different. It gets a mention here http://www.sixtiescollection.com/silverdiscs/ Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ken > garner > Sent: 29 August 2008 10:10 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP > > > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may > have missed > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the > scripts might be wrong, but > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and > Keith Moon ("Radio > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated > those before, I think. > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > k > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" wrote: > > > > Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour > > programmes on these famed shows next week: > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > > > Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how > > many of them there were. > > > > Steve W > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Aug 29 11:43:55 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <251774.59368.qm@...> Interesting. That 'Xmass Secial' (sic) originally came from me via TheFurtiveFifty. My Apologies for the 'horrible' editing ;-) I notice that I reckoned at the time that I might have the rest of the show 'somewhere', so I'll have to have a look (so long as you don't mind more horrible editing, of course). cheers Roger --- ken garner wrote: > > peel 2000-12-19, 25 Years of The Festive 50, > complete, coming soon to this outlet from > your new supplier. I'll rip it over the weekend, > Steve. Have not listened to it for a while so > can't vouch for sound quality, but here's hoping... > > ken > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" > wrote: > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > The following file was liberated by me from Bit > Torrent: at last > > viewing, the link appears to be dead, so in case > you don't have this > > show, and to prevent it vanishing for good, here > is the show described > > on the file as 'John Peel Xmas Secial (sic) 2000'. > I was hoping for > > the 21 December 2000 show, with Cinerama, Murry > The Hump and Herman > > Dune performing festive tunes: what I got instead > was half of the 27 > > Dec 2000 FF show (already available on Gary's > wonderful 30242 server) > > and this file, which is a fairly good quality but > horribly edited > > version of the 19 Dec '25 Years Of The Festive > Fifty' special. It is > > valuable for the session tracks by Billy Bragg, > David Gedge, Hefner > > and Gary Numan, but if anybody has the complete > show, please upload it > > and I will remove this. > > > > http://www.divshare.com/download/5265833-31f > > > > Tracklisting: > > > > Dick Dale, 'Nitro' > > Billy Bragg, 'Brickbat' > > Billy Bragg, 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key' > > Hefner, 'Hymn For The Alcohol' > > Joy Division, 'Atmosphere' > > Barmy Army, 'Sharp As A Needle' > > David Gedge, 'Swimming Pools Movie Stars' > > Chumbawamba, 'Revolution' > > Gary Numan, 'Are Friends Electric?' > > Overlord X, '14 Days In May' > > Mighty Wah, 'Come Back' > > Mansun, 'Shot By Both Sides' (just about makes it > past the first verse) > > > > A big thank you, by the way, to Rocker, Ken, John > and all the others > > who have uploaded shows in recent weeks. > > > > Best wishes > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > > > > > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Aug 29 11:51:05 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:51:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46810.65692.qm@...> I'd love to hear the Stanshall stuff. Some kind soul from here (Christ, I wish I could remember when I had a memory!) sent me a DVD of Stanshall recordings a while back, including all the Peel sessions, but I don't recall the Radio Flashes being on it, cheers Roger --- Paul Webster wrote: > I have the Radio Flashes as Mp3 (Bonzo and Stanshall > fan) - but I think that > this 1973 material is different. > It gets a mention here > http://www.sixtiescollection.com/silverdiscs/ > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > From: peel@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ken > > garner > > Sent: 29 August 2008 10:10 > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP > > > > > > thanks for the news. the website says these were > from 1973. I may > > have missed > > something from the scripts, (I will have another > check), or the > > scripts might be wrong, but > > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv > Stanshall and > > Keith Moon ("Radio > > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music > has repeated > > those before, I think. > > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "saipanda" > wrote: > > > > > > Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a > couple of half-hour > > > programmes on these famed shows next week: > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > > > > > Guess it won't be the full shows, although not > sure how long or how > > > many of them there were. > > > > > > Steve W > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > From tonydonaghey@... Fri Aug 29 11:57:07 2008 From: tonydonaghey@... 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(Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:02:20 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B7C92C.8020300@...> Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these programmes, coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all of Moon's 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being rebroadcast. I don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those as well...? Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. Eddie. Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music > rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio show > presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 mins > each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their native mp2 > format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. > > 2008/8/29 ken garner >: > > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may > have missed > > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the > scripts might be wrong, but > > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and > Keith Moon ("Radio > > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated those > before, I think. > > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > > > k > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > "saipanda" wrote: > >> > >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour > >> programmes on these famed shows next week: > >> > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > >> > >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how > >> many of them there were. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 29 12:15:38 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:15:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] 60% of Another One In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B7CC4A.4080707@...> Thanks, Ken. About 40 minutes into part 1 is interesting, as Peelie describes that one of his remaining ambitions is to get all of The Fall sessions out as a box set. A bloody shame it never happened in his lifetime. Eddie. ken garner wrote: > > > Second post from my personal archives. Not quite as memorable as last > week's, but with > one or two absolutely delicious Masterchef moments. It's also > incomplete, being the first > 90 minutes only of a 2.5 hour show, but as far as I can tell unedited. > I must have gone (or > been) out or something. Once again, the tape whirrs into action a few > minutes before Peel, > and I have therefore left on Kershaw's last track at the start (partly > because it's so > delightful) and the 4.30pm news bulletin (spot the difference in style > from 1988!) before > John charges in. Full track listing to follow on the wiki site by > Monday, I hope. Technical > details pretty much as before. > > Peel 1994-03-12a, Sat 4.30-5.15pm, incl Kershaw's last track & 4.30pm news > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=831YYTO2 > > > Peel 1994-03-12b, Sat 5.15-6pm > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KUCW2EIK > > > > ken > > ps. can any techno whizz out there tell me why my posts alone get all > broken up and don't > word wrap normally? They always look fine my end until I've posted them > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 27/08/2008 19:06 > From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 12:16:29 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:16:29 +0000 Subject: Another 400 Box question! Message-ID: <20080829101629.ZEEX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Just ripping a tape now (T072) that doesn't have John Peel on the 1st side at all. There is a section of a Sex Pistols interview with a DJ whose voice I don't immediately recognise (possiby Johnny Walker?) and then about 30 minutes of Kid Jensen playing some REALLY crap funk & soul records. I assume that everyone is happy for me NOT to waste my time ripping/uploading this side of the tape? ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 29 12:23:04 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:23:04 +0100 Subject: [peel] Another 400 Box question! In-Reply-To: <20080829101629.ZEEX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080829101629.ZEEX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48B7CE08.7070507@...> The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one (note the space; no triangular chocolate here), which was recently repeated on Marc Riley's Time Machine. RobF wrote: > > Just ripping a tape now (T072) that doesn't have John Peel on the 1st > side at all. > > There is a section of a Sex Pistols interview with a DJ whose voice I > don't immediately recognise (possiby Johnny Walker?) and then about 30 > minutes of Kid Jensen playing some REALLY crap funk & soul records. I > assume that everyone is happy for me NOT to waste my time > ripping/uploading this side of the tape? > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From so_it_goes_2512@... Fri Aug 29 12:27:22 2008 From: so_it_goes_2512@... (Steve) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:27:22 -0000 Subject: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) In-Reply-To: <251774.59368.qm@...> Message-ID: Dear Roger A thousand apologies!!! Just goes to show one should always watch one's words. I was, I guess, sad that most of Peel's links did not survive: I never meant to impugn anyone's abilities (least of all a gent like yourself). So please take my comment in the spirit in which it was intended, and no offence meant. If you do have the original shows (edited or not) I for one would be grateful: however, if not, it seems, that Ken has the goodies. Best wishes Steve [Teenage Kicks] --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, ROGER CARRUTHERS wrote: > > Interesting. That 'Xmass Secial' (sic) originally came > from me via TheFurtiveFifty. My Apologies for the > 'horrible' editing ;-) > I notice that I reckoned at the time that I might have > the rest of the show 'somewhere', so I'll have to have > a look (so long as you don't mind more horrible > editing, of course). > cheers > Roger > > --- ken garner wrote: > > > > > peel 2000-12-19, 25 Years of The Festive 50, > > complete, coming soon to this outlet from > > your new supplier. I'll rip it over the weekend, > > Steve. Have not listened to it for a while so > > can't vouch for sound quality, but here's hoping... > > > > ken > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" > > wrote: > > > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > > > The following file was liberated by me from Bit > > Torrent: at last > > > viewing, the link appears to be dead, so in case > > you don't have this > > > show, and to prevent it vanishing for good, here > > is the show described > > > on the file as 'John Peel Xmas Secial (sic) 2000'. > > I was hoping for > > > the 21 December 2000 show, with Cinerama, Murry > > The Hump and Herman > > > Dune performing festive tunes: what I got instead > > was half of the 27 > > > Dec 2000 FF show (already available on Gary's > > wonderful 30242 server) > > > and this file, which is a fairly good quality but > > horribly edited > > > version of the 19 Dec '25 Years Of The Festive > > Fifty' special. It is > > > valuable for the session tracks by Billy Bragg, > > David Gedge, Hefner > > > and Gary Numan, but if anybody has the complete > > show, please upload it > > > and I will remove this. > > > > > > http://www.divshare.com/download/5265833-31f > > > > > > Tracklisting: > > > > > > Dick Dale, 'Nitro' > > > Billy Bragg, 'Brickbat' > > > Billy Bragg, 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key' > > > Hefner, 'Hymn For The Alcohol' > > > Joy Division, 'Atmosphere' > > > Barmy Army, 'Sharp As A Needle' > > > David Gedge, 'Swimming Pools Movie Stars' > > > Chumbawamba, 'Revolution' > > > Gary Numan, 'Are Friends Electric?' > > > Overlord X, '14 Days In May' > > > Mighty Wah, 'Come Back' > > > Mansun, 'Shot By Both Sides' (just about makes it > > past the first verse) > > > > > > A big thank you, by the way, to Rocker, Ken, John > > and all the others > > > who have uploaded shows in recent weeks. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > > > > > > > > > > > From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 12:55:42 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:42 +0000 Subject: [peel] Another 400 Box question! Message-ID: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier interview than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 29 13:06:22 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:22 +0100 Subject: [peel] Another 400 Box question! In-Reply-To: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48B7D82E.3080707@...> If Sid is audibly schlurping all the way through (presumably hoovering up the BBC hospitality), that's almost certainly the Tobler. RobF wrote: > > > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one > > Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about > looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier interview > than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking > complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From thebarguest@... Fri Aug 29 13:09:54 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:09:54 -0000 Subject: [peel] Another 400 Box question! In-Reply-To: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: There's a nice 77 interview show with Rotten chatting to Tommy Vance (Capital Radio). Rotten chooses the songs which are quite varied and eclectic eg Can. Rotten's "angry young punk" attitude does sound quite dated, but his accent does seem genuine Lahndahn ! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one > > Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier interview than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Aug 29 13:15:18 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:15:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Re: 2000 Festive Fifty Special (in part) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <234387.80465.qm@...> No worries at all. I did rather butcher it, and even said so myself, when I posted it on my blog. If memory serves me well, it was a case of thrashing about in the dark for the pause button of a particularly nasty little machine of my ex's , as my baby son slept beside me. Fond memories, but I too wish I'd just taped the whole thing. cheers Roger --- Steve wrote: > Dear Roger > > A thousand apologies!!! Just goes to show one should > always watch > one's words. I was, I guess, sad that most of Peel's > links did not > survive: I never meant to impugn anyone's abilities > (least of all a > gent like yourself). So please take my comment in > the spirit in which > it was intended, and no offence meant. If you do > have the original > shows (edited or not) I for one would be grateful: > however, if not, > it seems, that Ken has the goodies. > Best wishes > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, ROGER CARRUTHERS > > wrote: > > > > Interesting. That 'Xmass Secial' (sic) originally > came > > from me via TheFurtiveFifty. My Apologies for the > > 'horrible' editing ;-) > > I notice that I reckoned at the time that I might > have > > the rest of the show 'somewhere', so I'll have to > have > > a look (so long as you don't mind more horrible > > editing, of course). > > cheers > > Roger > > > > --- ken garner wrote: > > > > > > > > peel 2000-12-19, 25 Years of The Festive 50, > > > complete, coming soon to this outlet from > > > your new supplier. I'll rip it over the weekend, > > > Steve. Have not listened to it for a while so > > > can't vouch for sound quality, but here's > hoping... > > > > > > ken > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fellow Peelites > > > > > > > > The following file was liberated by me from > Bit > > > Torrent: at last > > > > viewing, the link appears to be dead, so in > case > > > you don't have this > > > > show, and to prevent it vanishing for good, > here > > > is the show described > > > > on the file as 'John Peel Xmas Secial (sic) > 2000'. > > > I was hoping for > > > > the 21 December 2000 show, with Cinerama, > Murry > > > The Hump and Herman > > > > Dune performing festive tunes: what I got > instead > > > was half of the 27 > > > > Dec 2000 FF show (already available on Gary's > > > wonderful 30242 server) > > > > and this file, which is a fairly good quality > but > > > horribly edited > > > > version of the 19 Dec '25 Years Of The Festive > > > Fifty' special. It is > > > > valuable for the session tracks by Billy > Bragg, > > > David Gedge, Hefner > > > > and Gary Numan, but if anybody has the > complete > > > show, please upload it > > > > and I will remove this. > > > > > > > > http://www.divshare.com/download/5265833-31f > > > > > > > > Tracklisting: > > > > > > > > Dick Dale, 'Nitro' > > > > Billy Bragg, 'Brickbat' > > > > Billy Bragg, 'Way Over Yonder In The Minor > Key' > > > > Hefner, 'Hymn For The Alcohol' > > > > Joy Division, 'Atmosphere' > > > > Barmy Army, 'Sharp As A Needle' > > > > David Gedge, 'Swimming Pools Movie Stars' > > > > Chumbawamba, 'Revolution' > > > > Gary Numan, 'Are Friends Electric?' > > > > Overlord X, '14 Days In May' > > > > Mighty Wah, 'Come Back' > > > > Mansun, 'Shot By Both Sides' (just about makes > it > > > past the first verse) > > > > > > > > A big thank you, by the way, to Rocker, Ken, > John > > > and all the others > > > > who have uploaded shows in recent weeks. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steve [Teenage Kicks] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From john.bravin@... Fri Aug 29 13:22:49 2008 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:22:49 +0200 Subject: [peel] Sex Pistols Interview In-Reply-To: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080829105542.BRRC19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48B7DC09.1070307@...> I have a Sex Pistols interview with John Tobler from the R1 Rock On show in 1977. Sid Vicious was eating throughout the interview and finishes with a quote, "I'm better at borrowing money than anyone else in the world". John RobF wrote: > > > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one > > Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about > looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier interview > than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking > complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way > > 08 18:58 > From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 13:40:46 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:40:46 +0000 Subject: [peel] Sex Pistols Interview Message-ID: <20080829114047.CHFZ19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Don't remember that quote but it's not the complete interview on this tape anyway. When asked if it's true that McLaren wanted to be the vocalist in the Pistols Lydon dismisses it and claims to be the "best singer in the world", they also chide The Clash for being posh public school boys and generally moan about hating England. > > From: John Bravin > Date: 2008/08/29 Fri AM 11:22:49 GMT > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [peel] Sex Pistols Interview > > I have a Sex Pistols interview with John Tobler from the R1 Rock On show > in 1977. Sid Vicious was eating throughout the interview and finishes > with a quote, "I'm better at borrowing money than anyone else in the world". > > John > > RobF wrote: > > > > > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one > > > > Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about > > looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier interview > > than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking > > complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way > > > > 08 18:58 > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 29 13:53:08 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:53:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] Sex Pistols Interview In-Reply-To: <20080829114047.CHFZ19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> References: <20080829114047.CHFZ19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: <48B7E324.4000706@...> Yep, that's the one. In which case, there's no need to rip it, as it's pretty easily available out there in Downloadland. RobF wrote: > > Don't remember that quote but it's not the complete interview on this > tape anyway. > > When asked if it's true that McLaren wanted to be the vocalist in the > Pistols Lydon dismisses it and claims to be the "best singer in the > world", they also chide The Clash for being posh public school boys > and generally moan about hating England. > > > > > From: John Bravin > > > Date: 2008/08/29 Fri AM 11:22:49 GMT > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [peel] Sex Pistols Interview > > > > I have a Sex Pistols interview with John Tobler from the R1 Rock On > show > > in 1977. Sid Vicious was eating throughout the interview and finishes > > with a quote, "I'm better at borrowing money than anyone else in the > world". > > > > John > > > > RobF wrote: > > > > > > > The Pistols interview is very probably that famous John Tobler one > > > > > > Quite possibly - although it's on a 1979 tape, they are talking about > > > looking forward to going to America so it must be an earlier > interview > > > than that. Funny how they sound almost Spinal Tap in their "talking > > > complete rubbish in strange posh faux-cockney accents" kind of way > > > > > > 08 18:58 > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From roger.carruthers@... Fri Aug 29 15:30:29 2008 From: roger.carruthers@... (ROGER CARRUTHERS) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:30:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: (400 box) Tapes 78/79 upload Message-ID: <830534.75250.qm@...> 14/05/79 program, session from Magazine + repeat of Patrick Fitzgerald. Pretty reasonable quality - mono FM at a guess. I've not speed corrected it, as although the first tape is definitely on the slow side, the second is not quite as bad, and the last little bit (side 4, tape 2 -can you spot the join?) actually appears to be different again, making it almost impossible to correct with any accuracy. Denon DRM 550 > Digidesign MBox > Peak Pro 5 > Max 0.7.1 (LAME 190 kbps VBR) Get it here: http://tinyurl.com/5tbq34 http://tinyurl.com/6k3vg2 http://tinyurl.com/6kb86r Tracklist below: Side 1 Masquerade - The Skids Nobody Hurt You - Graham Parker Dance Music late Night - Patrick Fitzgerald Right Time - El Pedio (?) & the Sonics Foxy lady - Jimi Hendrix Foxy lady - The Cure Family Entertainment - Undertones TV Baby - Magazine Pictures on my Wall - Echo & the Bunnymen Out of town - Skids You - Kleenex Improve Myself - Patrick Fitzgerald Massacre - Nigger Kojak Animal World - Last Words ----------------------- Side 2 Aint that a shame - Brian James back Door man - Howlin' Wolf Thank You for Letting me be myself again - Magazine All the Boys Love carrie - Another Pretty Face Art School - The Leyton Buzzards 5' 1" - Iggy Pop Tonight - Patrick Fitzgerald For What it's Worth - Bruce Springfield For what it's Worth - TV Toy Another Emotion - The Skids Gongola Dub - Prince Far-I The best of my Fate - Tapes ---------------------- Side 3/4 Love You baby - Eddy Parker & Soul Congress Suicidal Wreck Patrick Fitzgerald (live) Wrong Treatment - 4 Plugs Permafrost - Magazine (live) Daniel - Prince Allah Aftermath Dub - Skids cheers Roger From andysmith10@... Fri Aug 29 16:08:13 2008 From: andysmith10@... (Andy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:08:13 -0000 Subject: Another 400 Box question! In-Reply-To: <20080829101629.ZEEX18637.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: I would be interested in the Sex Pistols / Kid Jensen recordings.I collect general radio shows as well as one's from the Master himself ! The Sex Pistols interview could be the one by John Tobler from 1977. From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 17:43:01 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:43:01 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape Numbering Message-ID: <20080829154301.FECA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Is the tape numbering complete yet? I have one tape with no number: 17-Sept-79 / 18-Sept-79 Artist:Freda Payne Brand:Tape Copying Services Length: about 25 mins per side On the upside - I found another section of the 16-April-1979 on T073 so that show is now only 25 minutes short of being complete. Currently uploading the revised lengthened mp3 version ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From eddie.duffy@... Fri Aug 29 18:06:57 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:06:57 +0100 Subject: [peel] (400 box) Tapes 78/79 upload In-Reply-To: <830534.75250.qm@...> References: <830534.75250.qm@...> Message-ID: <48B81EA1.7000303@...> Thanks Roger! The speed is quite funny on this one, making Peel sound as bored and disaffected as his imitators used to. But I reckon if you run them through Audacity and increase the speed of Part 1 by 7% and Part 2 by 6%, it sounds just about right. Part 3 seems fine. Eddie. ROGER CARRUTHERS wrote: > > 14/05/79 program, session from Magazine + repeat of > Patrick Fitzgerald. > > Pretty reasonable quality - mono FM at a guess. I've > not speed corrected it, as although the first tape is > definitely on the slow side, the second is not quite > as bad, and the last little bit (side 4, tape 2 -can > you spot the join?) actually appears to be different > again, making it almost impossible to correct with any > accuracy. > > Denon DRM 550 > Digidesign MBox > Peak Pro 5 > Max > 0.7.1 (LAME 190 kbps VBR) > > Get it here: > http://tinyurl.com/5tbq34 > http://tinyurl.com/6k3vg2 > http://tinyurl.com/6kb86r > > Tracklist below: > Side 1 > Masquerade - The Skids > Nobody Hurt You - Graham Parker > Dance Music late Night - Patrick Fitzgerald > Right Time - El Pedio (?) & the Sonics > Foxy lady - Jimi Hendrix > Foxy lady - The Cure > Family Entertainment - Undertones > TV Baby - Magazine > Pictures on my Wall - Echo & the Bunnymen > Out of town - Skids > You - Kleenex > Improve Myself - Patrick Fitzgerald > Massacre - Nigger Kojak > Animal World - Last Words > ----------------------- > Side 2 > Aint that a shame - Brian James > back Door man - Howlin' Wolf > Thank You for Letting me be myself again - Magazine > All the Boys Love carrie - Another Pretty Face > Art School - The Leyton Buzzards > 5' 1" - Iggy Pop > Tonight - Patrick Fitzgerald > For What it's Worth - Bruce Springfield > For what it's Worth - TV Toy > Another Emotion - The Skids > Gongola Dub - Prince Far-I > The best of my Fate - Tapes > ---------------------- > Side 3/4 > Love You baby - Eddy Parker & Soul Congress > Suicidal Wreck Patrick Fitzgerald (live) > Wrong Treatment - 4 Plugs > Permafrost - Magazine (live) > Daniel - Prince Allah > Aftermath Dub - Skids > > cheers > Roger > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From saipanda@... Fri Aug 29 18:29:19 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:29:19 -0000 Subject: Tape Numbering In-Reply-To: <20080829154301.FECA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Just checked Rocker's most recently updated spreadsheet and seems like he's up to 29 August 1979 (T139) at the latest count, so not sure about your one with 17 and 18 Sept 79. Imagine he's just slightly behind but sure there will be a number for this one along in due course. Many thanks for your ripping on the 400 Box -- good news on the 16 April 1979 -- as well as keeping my efforts on the Wiki on the straight and narrow. Will try and sort out the Wiki over the weekend for the latest batch of updates, uploads and other stuff. Many thanks to everyone for all the shows, from the 400 Box as well as others outside the Box. These are fine times indeed. Cheers, Steve W From rockerq@... Fri Aug 29 20:02:02 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:02:02 EDT Subject: [peel] Re: Tape Numbering Message-ID: Hmmm.. very odd - I must have missed one! Did you get ten tapes in total? You can check them against the spreadsheet (current copy is on my iDisk). Numbering so far only goes up to August 1979 - so I may have either misread the tape, or is there a handwritten tracklisting with the tape & if so does it say the same date? Otherwise maybe I just put the wrong tape in! Cheers! Rocker > < > I have one tape with no number: > > 17-Sept-79 / 18-Sept-79 > Artist:Freda Payne > Brand:Tape Copying Services > Length: about 25 mins per side>> From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 29 20:21:26 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:21:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: <48B7C92C.8020300@...> References: <48B7C92C.8020300@...> Message-ID: http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a DVB-S mp2. 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these programmes, > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all of Moon's > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being rebroadcast. I > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those as > well...? > > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. > > Eddie. > > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: >> >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio show >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 mins >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their native mp2 >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. >> >> 2008/8/29 ken garner > >: >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may >> have missed >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the >> scripts might be wrong, but >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and >> Keith Moon ("Radio >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated those >> before, I think. >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... >> > >> > k >> > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , >> "saipanda" wrote: >> >> >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: >> >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 >> >> >> >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how >> >> many of them there were. >> From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 20:22:27 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:22:27 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Tape Numbering Message-ID: <20080829182227.YWBK5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Yes I got 10 tapes - but as I mentioned earlier, one of those attributed to me on the spreadsheet (T099) is not in my possession, so maybe you put the wrong tape in the bag? Check to see if you still have T099 in the box. The un-numbered 17/18th Sept 79 tape does have a correctly dated tracklisting in with it.. > Hmmm.. very odd - I must have missed one! Did you get ten tapes in total? You > can check them against the spreadsheet (current copy is on my iDisk). > > Numbering so far only goes up to August 1979 - so I may have either misread > the tape, or is there a handwritten tracklisting with the tape & if so does it > say the same date? Otherwise maybe I just put the wrong tape in! > > Cheers! > > Rocker > > > > < > > > I have one tape with no number: > > > > 17-Sept-79 / 18-Sept-79 > > Artist:Freda Payne > > Brand:Tape Copying Services > > Length: about 25 mins per side>> > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From robfleay@... Fri Aug 29 20:27:02 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:27:02 +0000 Subject: More new shows from the 400 Box Message-ID: <20080829182703.HBSA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Apologies for all the on-list noise about tape number horrors.. Yopu'll be glad to know that today's efforts are now uploaded to Mediafire The wiki pages for the relevant shows are updated - although I haevn't added the links to each page yet as I ran out of time, so for now ALL the shows I've ripped and uploaded are in my Mediafire folder http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 The newly uploaded shows are as follows: 1979-03-07 John Peel Radio 1 (incomplete).mp3 Penetration 2nd Session. The Cure 1st Session http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_March_1979 1979-04-16 John Peel Radio 1 Part 1+2 (incomplete).mp3 Generation X 3rd Session. Siouxisie & The Banshees 3rd session (LONGER THAN THE VERSION UPLOADED PREVIOUSLY) http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 1979-09-17 John Peel Radio 1 (end part).mp3 Stiff Little Fingers 3rd session http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17_September_1979 1979-09-18 John Peel Radio 1 (part 1).mp3 Madness 1st Session. Wire 4th Session http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_September_1979 ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From thebarguest@... Fri Aug 29 22:03:31 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:03:31 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this, Al ; another one I never thought I'd hear. However, I can't download - when I click on the 'download' button, nowt 'appens .... Do I need to register ? ps funny 'bout Moony developing an upper-class accent in his later years ! Maybe he was a big 'Avengers' fan ..... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > > I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a DVB-S mp2. > > 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : > > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these programmes, > > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all of Moon's > > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being rebroadcast. I > > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those as > > well...? > > > > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. > > > > Eddie. > > > > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > >> > >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music > >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio show > >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 mins > >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their native mp2 > >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. > >> > >> 2008/8/29 ken garner >> >: > >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I may > >> have missed > >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the > >> scripts might be wrong, but > >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall and > >> Keith Moon ("Radio > >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated those > >> before, I think. > >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > >> > > >> > k > >> > > >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > >> "saipanda" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour > >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: > >> >> > >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > >> > >> >> > >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long or how > >> >> many of them there were. > >> > From wewalkforonereason@... Fri Aug 29 22:18:38 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:18:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you can see the download link, you are registered and logged in. You should receive a .torrent file that you then use to connect and download to other clients. If that's not working, it may be a browser issue, or an issue with your BitTorrent client. 2008/8/29 thebarguest : > Thanks for this, Al ; another one I never thought > I'd hear. However, I can't download - when I click on the > 'download' button, nowt 'appens .... Do I need to register ? > > ps funny 'bout Moony developing an upper-class accent in his > later years ! Maybe he was a big 'Avengers' fan ..... > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" > wrote: >> >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html >> >> I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a DVB-S > mp2. >> >> 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : >> > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these programmes, >> > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all of > Moon's >> > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being > rebroadcast. I >> > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those > as >> > well...? >> > >> > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. >> > >> > Eddie. >> > >> > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: >> >> >> >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music >> >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio > show >> >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 > mins >> >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their > native mp2 >> >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. >> >> >> >> 2008/8/29 ken garner > >> >: >> >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I > may >> >> have missed >> >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the >> >> scripts might be wrong, but >> >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall > and >> >> Keith Moon ("Radio >> >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated > those >> >> before, I think. >> >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... >> >> > >> >> > k >> >> > >> >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , >> >> "saipanda" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half-hour >> >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long > or how >> >> >> many of them there were. >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From peel@yahoogroups.com Fri Aug 29 22:37:10 2008 From: peel@yahoogroups.com (peel@yahoogroups.com) Date: 29 Aug 2008 20:37:10 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to peel Message-ID: <1220042230.148630.81043.w117@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the peel group. File : /Peel1977-03-19_Sounds.jpg Uploaded by : jimmystep Description : Scan of Peels piece in Sounds You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/files/Peel1977-03-19_Sounds.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jimmystep From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 29 23:25:26 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:25:26 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: <48B7C92C.8020300@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: I don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those as well...? Sorry, but I didn't, and I was a big Who fan too. I think it was AM only, for the 1978 rebroadcast, incidentally Bill From thebarguest@... Fri Aug 29 23:48:42 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:48:42 -0000 Subject: More new shows from the 400 Box In-Reply-To: <20080829182703.HBSA19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Wow - great news. That 79-04-16 show is one of the best I've heard ! Classic-period Banshees session, Red Noise, Clash, Magazine ; can't wait to hear the newly-discovered part. Thanks RobF & all other recent sharers ! Listening to the 79 shows, I'm struck by Peely's enthusiasm (esp for the Banshees and Gary Numan sessions). I think the period 77-81 has not been bettered since, for innovative, quirky pop-rock music. The only down-side is the great man's frequent football (ie Liverpool FC) chatter, but I am an Evertonian ... Bye Benny Hawkins esq --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > Apologies for all the on-list noise about tape number horrors.. > > Yopu'll be glad to know that today's efforts are now uploaded to Mediafire > > The wiki pages for the relevant shows are updated - although I haevn't added the links to each page yet as I ran out of time, so for now ALL the shows I've ripped and uploaded are in my Mediafire folder > > http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 > > The newly uploaded shows are as follows: > > 1979-03-07 John Peel Radio 1 (incomplete).mp3 > Penetration 2nd Session. The Cure 1st Session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_March_1979 > > 1979-04-16 John Peel Radio 1 Part 1+2 (incomplete).mp3 > Generation X 3rd Session. Siouxisie & The Banshees 3rd session (LONGER THAN THE VERSION UPLOADED PREVIOUSLY) > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > 1979-09-17 John Peel Radio 1 (end part).mp3 > Stiff Little Fingers 3rd session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17_September_1979 > > 1979-09-18 John Peel Radio 1 (part 1).mp3 > Madness 1st Session. Wire 4th Session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_September_1979 > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From billfromnorthwales@... Fri Aug 29 23:49:03 2008 From: billfromnorthwales@... (billfromnorthwales) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:49:03 -0000 Subject: John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download Message-ID: Here is a BBC Radio 4 programme from, 16-5-81 which was part of a series. This week it's music loving Johnny Plee, who tells us what makes him laugh. This was recorded on Saturday 16th May 1981 at 11:15 AM. I let the tape roll before and after, so you can time warp if you want. I cut out the religeous sermon programme before, though http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KG73Z8A7 No belly laughs by a long way, and listening to the first half made me realise the gulf betwewen the public school JP went to, and the Secondary Modern I fell out of. We were not in the same universe of humour influences, let alone the same planet. Pan can get his coat and leave, before he gets a smack in the face. However, it picks up when Viv and Monty come along. You know, you never know what you are going to get, and you don't always get what you want, but what you do get is always surprising. Well, if he can say that about Mark E Smith, I can say it about Peel. Esoteric, or I'm a Greek. (now who did he say that about?) Bill From paul@... Sat Aug 30 00:16:49 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:16:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88CFD35C1FE848C983018A2A4D715BFF@...> Great. I remember recording this - and can still remember a lot of it - but have not been able to find the tape again. Indeed I remember suggesting that BBC 7 dig it out and rebroadcast it after Peel's death. I seem to remember the shoe shop being early on - and I enjoyed it so much I went out and bought the book. Somewhat dreading listening again ... I think I had George Melly's "It Makes Me Laugh" on the other side of the tape - and that was good as well. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > billfromnorthwales > Sent: 29 August 2008 22:49 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download > > > Here is a BBC Radio 4 programme from, 16-5-81 which was part of a > series. > > This week it's music loving Johnny Plee, who tells us what makes him > laugh. > > This was recorded on Saturday 16th May 1981 at 11:15 AM. I let the tape > roll before and after, so you can time warp if you want. > I cut out the religeous sermon programme before, though > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KG73Z8A7 > > No belly laughs by a long way, and listening to the first half made me > realise the gulf betwewen the public school JP went to, and the > Secondary Modern I fell out of. > > We were not in the same universe of humour influences, let alone the > same planet. > > Pan can get his coat and leave, before he gets a smack in the face. > > However, it picks up when Viv and Monty come along. > > You know, you never know what you are going to get, and you don't > always get what you want, but what you do get is always surprising. > > Well, if he can say that about Mark E Smith, I can say it about Peel. > > Esoteric, or I'm a Greek. > > (now who did he say that about?) > > Bill > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 30 01:47:41 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:47:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B88A9D.6040304@...> Thanks again, Bill. And I have to say I agree with you on Viv and Monty being the highlights here. The other passages, good as they may have been on paper, suffered from having to be read out by the Radio 4 voiceover "artistes" of the day. Insufferably over-the-top Bee-Bee-See voices for anything that has the sniff of "highbrow literature" about it, and "comedy" regional accents adopted whenever the author happens to have had the temerity to have been born outside Knightsbridge. Eminently slappable, the pair of 'em. On a related point, I've never really like Peel reading his own words. I love his natural speech, and his writing (and am looking forward to The Olivetti Chronicles). But for some reason he always loses something when reading out stuff he's written himself. Even his voiceover stuff comes across better. Can't quite explain it but the magic is lost somewhere. billfromnorthwales wrote: > > Here is a BBC Radio 4 programme from, 16-5-81 which was part of a > series. > > This week it's music loving Johnny Plee, who tells us what makes him > laugh. > > This was recorded on Saturday 16th May 1981 at 11:15 AM. I let the tape > roll before and after, so you can time warp if you want. > I cut out the religeous sermon programme before, though > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KG73Z8A7 > > > No belly laughs by a long way, and listening to the first half made me > realise the gulf betwewen the public school JP went to, and the > Secondary Modern I fell out of. > > We were not in the same universe of humour influences, let alone the > same planet. > > Pan can get his coat and leave, before he gets a smack in the face. > > However, it picks up when Viv and Monty come along. > > You know, you never know what you are going to get, and you don't > always get what you want, but what you do get is always surprising. > > Well, if he can say that about Mark E Smith, I can say it about Peel. > > Esoteric, or I'm a Greek. > > (now who did he say that about?) > > Bill > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.12/1640 - Release Date: 28/08/2008 18:58 > From rockerq@... Sat Aug 30 01:51:22 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:51:22 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[peel]=20400Box=A0=20question?= Message-ID: > < tapes in the batch I was sent. I notice accoring to the wiki I am meant to > have T099 which supposedly contains the missing last 10 minutes of 27 June 1979 > and some of the 28 June show, but I don't have it. > > Rocker can you check that it's still with you?>> > Looks like I sent you the wrong tape! However, T099 does not seem to be here, so probably went to one of our other rippers - anyone noticed it? Rocker > From ajcauk@... Sat Aug 30 03:52:26 2008 From: ajcauk@... (cannon alan) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:52:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: suggestion Message-ID: <841169.92070.qm@...> Hi all  Are there any plans to put some of these old JP recordings on the Dandelion Radio monthly loop? If not might i suggest you do.  I say this because one thing that seems to work with some kind of reliability is the Dandelion Radio stream and it would be great to hear some of these recordings.  I say that because a thousand and one things that don't seem to work are these download/torrent files whatever you want to call them. I call them something else. They never work. I don't even bother to try anymore. I refuse to accept that it is a failure on my part any more. Five years ago i would click on something that said download such and such and it would do it or maybe not and file it somewhere where i could find it or maybe not. One year ago if you filled the form in quintuplicate and clicked the eventuallate button something would happen but it would be difficult to say what and then a week later you come across something a bit like what you was after but not necessarily. Now you are confronted with something that looks like a cross between a sound desk and the cockpit controls of a jumbo jet and none of buttons do much besides send you to an iTunes registration page. The hyperbole is fully intentionalised. I am of reasonable intelligence to the extent of attaining a worthless Physics degree but I take the part of someone of who has just to learnt read and use a PC . To all computer programmers spammers viromaniacs everywhere cloth-eared and tunnel-visioned as you are, i apPeel to you can we apply some common sense and start serving someone other than yourselves. The Large Hadron Collider goes on line next month and the only immediate knock-on application promised so far is an intergrid a 1000(1024) times better/faster. The weight of the Higgs Boson will take a while but the tower of Babel could be with us by Xmas. alanjc From saipanda@... Sat Aug 30 07:44:34 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:44:34 -0000 Subject: happy birthday! Message-ID: Unless my maths is wrong, JP would be 69 today. Here's to you, sir! Talk here a few weeks back of the 40th birthday shows from 29/30 Aug 1979-- and think they're going to pop up pretty soon in the 400 Box as well. Until then, as well as being on the torrents (I think), these still seem to be linked on the "Rewound" section of "The Peel Tapes": http://www.jonhorne.co.uk/jptapes/jptapesrewound.html A couple of years back, I made up the list of the songs JP says he would play for his own birthday party that year (and indeed, he plays the lot). Thought I'd post this here today. Any corrections appreciated. Cheers, Steve W In order played (not preference, he says). Q: Does anyone know the Rockers All Stars track? 40. Whole Lot of Shakin' Going On – Jerry Lee Lewis 39. Holidays In The Sun – Sex Pistols 38. (unidentified song) – Rockers All Stars 37. Suspect Device – Stiff Little Fingers 36. Something Inside Of Me – Elmore James 35. Jimmy, Jimmy – Undertones 34. I've Been Born Again – Johnny Taylor 33. Teenage Kicks – Undertones 32. Race With The Devil – Gene Vincent 31. Staircase Mystery – Siouxsie & The Banshees 30. There's A Moon Out Tonight – Capris 29. Lost John – Lonnie Donegan 28. New Rose – Damned 27. You Better Move On – Arthur Alexander 26. Big Eyed Beans From Venus – Captain Beefheart 25. Gangsters – Specials 24. His Guiding Hand – Medicine Head 23. Anarchy In The UK – Sex Pistols 22. Honkey Tonk – Bill Doggett 21. Almost Liverpool 8 – Mike Hart 20. Band Of Gold – Freda Payne 19. Alternative Ulster – Stiff Little Fingers 18. Loving Arms – Millie Jackson 17. Memphis Tennessee – Silicon Teens 16. Like A Hurricane – Neil Young 15. Babylon's Burning – Ruts 14. Starting All Over Again – Mel & Tim 13. Peter Gunn Theme – Duane Eddie 12. Bafflin' Smoke Signals – Lee Perry 11. Shot By Both Sides – Magazine 10. Wine, Wine, Wine – Nightcaps 9. There Must Be Thousands – Quads 8. Too Much – Jimmy Reed 7. Nothing Takes The Place Of You – Mike Spenser & The Cannibals 6. Complete Control – Clash 5. Ole Man Trouble – Otis Redding 4. Have Me A Real Good Time – The Faces 3. Get Over You – Undertones 2. Daddy's Home – Shep & The Limelites 1. You'll Never Walk Alone – Kop Choir From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 30 11:44:23 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:44:23 +0100 Subject: [peel] happy birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B91677.60105@...> saipanda wrote: > Q: Does anyone know the Rockers All Stars track? I have a clipping from Sounds or NME somewhere which lists all JP's choices. From memory, the track is called something generic like "Rasta Dub". But don't quote me on that; I'll try and dig out the article. Eddie. From paul@... Sat Aug 30 11:48:31 2008 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:48:31 +0100 Subject: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download In-Reply-To: <88CFD35C1FE848C983018A2A4D715BFF@...> Message-ID: Listened this morning - and I did still enjoy it. My memory of when the shoe shop (boot shop) appeared was wrong but other than that it was prety well how I remembered it. I agree with Eddie's comment about Peelie reading scripts sounding somewhat stilted, but I thought that the readers of the passages got them about right. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > Paul Webster > Sent: 29 August 2008 23:17 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download > > > Great. > I remember recording this - and can still remember a lot of it - but have > not been able to find the tape again. > Indeed I remember suggesting that BBC 7 dig it out and > rebroadcast it after > Peel's death. > I seem to remember the shoe shop being early on - and I enjoyed > it so much I > went out and bought the book. > Somewhat dreading listening again ... > > I think I had George Melly's "It Makes Me Laugh" on the other side of the > tape - and that was good as well. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > > billfromnorthwales > > Sent: 29 August 2008 22:49 > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [peel] John Peel - It makes me laugh 16 May 1981 - Download > > > > > > Here is a BBC Radio 4 programme from, 16-5-81 which was part of a > > series. > > > > This week it's music loving Johnny Plee, who tells us what makes him > > laugh. > > > > This was recorded on Saturday 16th May 1981 at 11:15 AM. I let the tape > > roll before and after, so you can time warp if you want. > > I cut out the religeous sermon programme before, though > > > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KG73Z8A7 > > > > No belly laughs by a long way, and listening to the first half made me > > realise the gulf betwewen the public school JP went to, and the > > Secondary Modern I fell out of. > > > > We were not in the same universe of humour influences, let alone the > > same planet. > > > > Pan can get his coat and leave, before he gets a smack in the face. > > > > However, it picks up when Viv and Monty come along. > > > > You know, you never know what you are going to get, and you don't > > always get what you want, but what you do get is always surprising. > > > > Well, if he can say that about Mark E Smith, I can say it about Peel. > > > > Esoteric, or I'm a Greek. > > > > (now who did he say that about?) > > > > Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 30 14:30:05 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:30:05 -0000 Subject: happy birthday! In-Reply-To: <48B91677.60105@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > saipanda wrote: > > > Q: Does anyone know the Rockers All Stars track? > > I have a clipping from Sounds or NME somewhere which lists all JP's > choices. From memory, the track is called something generic like "Rasta > Dub". But don't quote me on that; I'll try and dig out the article. > > Eddie. > Cheers, Eddie. I remember reading the list in a music paper the following week, but I'd been on holiday or something and hadn't heard the show. I was pretty disappointed at the time and never really suspected I'd be able to hear it for the first time decades later, while living on the other side of the world. Think it's a pretty interesting selection of songs, because although he does say they aren't necessarily his 40 favourites of all time, there is quite a big overlap with stuff like the Peelenium, the Singles Box, the Fabric comp, and even Desert Island discs. Maybe we someone should work out a chart or something. Cheers, Steve W From rockerq@... Sat Aug 30 14:53:23 2008 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:53:23 EDT Subject: [peel] suggestion Message-ID: > < Dandelion Radio monthly loop? If not might i suggest you do. >  I say this because one thing that seems to work with some kind of > reliability is the Dandelion Radio stream>> > Nice idea - but... Dandelion Radio is not a pirate - we are licenced with PRS and MCPS - and pay a lot of royalties every month for the privelege! (We are entirely funded by contributions from our DJs and staff) - There is no way we could jeopardise our position by playing old BBC broadcasts which would be seen as illegal copies by the BBC or the many publishing companies with interests in the material - in fact even Peelie's estate may have an interest. This is also why we cannot set up a website to distribute the shows - whoever could be shown to have set up the site would be legally responsible for its content - so the various upload / download services are our best option at least in the short term - they at least give some anonymity to the uploaders. btw I have had no probs downloading 90 percent of the recent files - one thing you probably need is the most recent versions of your system software, your browser, and its various plugins. (I use a Mac, btw). Has anyone else been having problems? Our best bet for distributing the shows long-term may be some sort of server like the one run by PhilFestive50, which is currently offline - access can then be controlled by password login etc. Cheesr! Rocker From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 30 16:57:26 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:57:26 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I click the download link, absolutely nothing happens. I'm well experienced in different types of d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? I'd be grateful for any advice........ Thanks in advance. tbg --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > If you can see the download link, you are registered and logged in. > You should receive a .torrent file that you then use to connect and > download to other clients. If that's not working, it may be a browser > issue, or an issue with your BitTorrent client. > > 2008/8/29 thebarguest : > > Thanks for this, Al ; another one I never thought > > I'd hear. However, I can't download - when I click on the > > 'download' button, nowt 'appens .... Do I need to register ? > > > > ps funny 'bout Moony developing an upper-class accent in his > > later years ! Maybe he was a big 'Avengers' fan ..... > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" > > wrote: > >> > >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > >> > >> I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a DVB-S > > mp2. > >> > >> 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : > >> > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these programmes, > >> > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all of > > Moon's > >> > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being > > rebroadcast. I > >> > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record those > > as > >> > well...? > >> > > >> > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. > >> > > >> > Eddie. > >> > > >> > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 Music > >> >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio > > show > >> >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 > > mins > >> >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their > > native mp2 > >> >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. > >> >> > >> >> 2008/8/29 ken garner >> >> >: > >> >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. I > > may > >> >> have missed > >> >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or the > >> >> scripts might be wrong, but > >> >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall > > and > >> >> Keith Moon ("Radio > >> >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has repeated > > those > >> >> before, I think. > >> >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > >> >> > > >> >> > k > >> >> > > >> >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > >> >> "saipanda" wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half- hour > >> >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how long > > or how > >> >> >> many of them there were. > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 30 17:02:08 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:02:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: happy birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B960F0.9060300@...> "Rasta Dub" it was, Steve. I've scanned the article and uploaded it to the Files section: http://tinyurl.com/6xfbux Eddie. saipanda wrote: > > > Cheers, Eddie. I remember reading the list in a music paper the > following week, but I'd > been on holiday or something and hadn't heard the show. I was pretty > disappointed at the > time and never really suspected I'd be able to hear it for the first > time decades later, while > living on the other side of the world. > > Think it's a pretty interesting selection of songs, because although > he does say they aren't > necessarily his 40 favourites of all time, there is quite a big > overlap with stuff like the > Peelenium, the Singles Box, the Fabric comp, and even Desert Island discs. > > Maybe we someone should work out a chart or something. > > Cheers, > > Steve W > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 > > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 30 17:06:16 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:06:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B961E8.8030102@...> You don't mention bittorrent. Do you have a BT client, such as Azureus, �Torrent, etc.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol) thebarguest wrote: > > When I click the download link, absolutely nothing > happens. I'm well experienced in different types of > d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! > > I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. > > Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? > > I'd be grateful for any advice........ > > Thanks in advance. > tbg > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Alasdair > Macdonald" > wrote: > > > > If you can see the download link, you are registered and logged in. > > You should receive a .torrent file that you then use to connect and > > download to other clients. If that's not working, it may be a > browser > > issue, or an issue with your BitTorrent client. > > > > 2008/8/29 thebarguest : > > > Thanks for this, Al ; another one I never thought > > > I'd hear. However, I can't download - when I click on the > > > 'download' button, nowt 'appens .... Do I need to register ? > > > > > > ps funny 'bout Moony developing an upper-class accent in his > > > later years ! Maybe he was a big 'Avengers' fan ..... > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > "Alasdair Macdonald" > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > > > >> > > >> I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a > DVB-S > > > mp2. > > >> > > >> 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : > > >> > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these > programmes, > > >> > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all > of > > > Moon's > > >> > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being > > > rebroadcast. I > > >> > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record > those > > > as > > >> > well...? > > >> > > > >> > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. > > >> > > > >> > Eddie. > > >> > > > >> > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 > Music > > >> >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio > > > show > > >> >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 > > > mins > > >> >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their > > > native mp2 > > >> >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. > > >> >> > > >> >> 2008/8/29 ken garner > >> >> >: > > >> >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. > I > > > may > > >> >> have missed > > >> >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or > the > > >> >> scripts might be wrong, but > > >> >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall > > > and > > >> >> Keith Moon ("Radio > > >> >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has > repeated > > > those > > >> >> before, I think. > > >> >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > k > > >> >> > > > >> >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com > , > > >> >> "saipanda" wrote: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half- > hour > > >> >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how > long > > > or how > > >> >> >> many of them there were. > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 > > From wewalkforonereason@... Sat Aug 30 17:09:17 2008 From: wewalkforonereason@... (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:09:17 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What browser and operating system are you using? Which BitTorrent client do you have, and does it work for other BitTorent downloads? 2008/8/30 thebarguest : > When I click the download link, absolutely nothing > happens. I'm well experienced in different types of > d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! > > I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. > > Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? > > I'd be grateful for any advice........ >> >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 30 18:08:36 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:08:36 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: <48B961E8.8030102@...> Message-ID: Thanks Ed. No I don't get that far. At the top of the second screen, there are 2 "buttons"/"panels" - 'Return To Tracker' and 'Download This Torrent'. I click the 'Download This Torrent' and nothing happens (I would expect to be given the chance to open or download the .torrent file). Its a bloody mystery...... --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > You don't mention bittorrent. Do you have a BT client, such as Azureus, > µTorrent, etc.? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol) > > thebarguest wrote: > > > > When I click the download link, absolutely nothing > > happens. I'm well experienced in different types of > > d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! > > > > I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. > > > > Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? > > > > I'd be grateful for any advice........ > > > > Thanks in advance. > > tbg > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , "Alasdair > > Macdonald" > > wrote: > > > > > > If you can see the download link, you are registered and logged in. > > > You should receive a .torrent file that you then use to connect and > > > download to other clients. If that's not working, it may be a > > browser > > > issue, or an issue with your BitTorrent client. > > > > > > 2008/8/29 thebarguest : > > > > Thanks for this, Al ; another one I never thought > > > > I'd hear. However, I can't download - when I click on the > > > > 'download' button, nowt 'appens .... Do I need to register ? > > > > > > > > ps funny 'bout Moony developing an upper-class accent in his > > > > later years ! Maybe he was a big 'Avengers' fan ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , > > "Alasdair Macdonald" > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > > > > > >> > > > >> I neglected to include an info file; suffice to say this is a > > DVB-S > > > > mp2. > > > >> > > > >> 2008/8/29 Eddie Duffy : > > > >> > Yes please, Alasdair. I was going to ask about these > > programmes, > > > >> > coincidentally, as in the 1978 F50 shows, JP mentions that all > > of > > > > Moon's > > > >> > 1973 shows (4 of them apparently) were currently being > > > > rebroadcast. I > > > >> > don't suppose our Scouser in North Wales happened to record > > those > > > > as > > > >> > well...? > > > >> > > > > >> > Big ask, I know. But many thanks for the 1978 Fifty, Bill. > > > >> > > > > >> > Eddie. > > > >> > > > > >> > Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I'ts possible that I already have these - or this (from a 6 > > Music > > > >> >> rebroadcast). That is to say, I have just one, one hour radio > > > > show > > > >> >> presented by Keith Moon. These 2 programmes (next week) are 30 > > > > mins > > > >> >> each. If there's interest, I can easily share them in their > > > > native mp2 > > > >> >> format. Same goes for what I already have, of course. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> 2008/8/29 ken garner > > >> >> >: > > > >> >> > thanks for the news. the website says these were from 1973. > > I > > > > may > > > >> >> have missed > > > >> >> > something from the scripts, (I will have another check), or > > the > > > >> >> scripts might be wrong, but > > > >> >> > the shows I know about were double-headed with Viv Stanshall > > > > and > > > >> >> Keith Moon ("Radio > > > >> >> > Flashes") in summer 1971 for 3 weeks, and 6 Music has > > repeated > > > > those > > > >> >> before, I think. > > > >> >> > They must be v heavily edited, whatever... > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > k > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com > > , > > > >> >> "saipanda" wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Apparently the BBC are going to be doing a couple of half- > > hour > > > >> >> >> programmes on these famed shows next week: > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dc24z/episodes/2008 > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Guess it won't be the full shows, although not sure how > > long > > > > or how > > > >> >> >> many of them there were. > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 > > > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 30 18:11:26 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:11:26 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got the popular setup of a Dell PC, Windows XP and Internet Explorer. I don't get as far as using the BT client - I can't even open/save the .torrent file. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" wrote: > > What browser and operating system are you using? Which BitTorrent > client do you have, and does it work for other BitTorent downloads? > > 2008/8/30 thebarguest : > > When I click the download link, absolutely nothing > > happens. I'm well experienced in different types of > > d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! > > > > I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. > > > > Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? > > > > I'd be grateful for any advice........ > > >> >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > From saipanda@... Sat Aug 30 18:13:01 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:13:01 -0000 Subject: happy birthday! In-Reply-To: <48B960F0.9060300@...> Message-ID: Many thanks, Eddie! Need to get the tracklisting for the two shows up on the Wiki, at some point. Steve W --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Duffy wrote: > > "Rasta Dub" it was, Steve. I've scanned the article and uploaded it to > the Files section: > > http://tinyurl.com/6xfbux > > Eddie. > > saipanda wrote: > > > > > > Cheers, Eddie. I remember reading the list in a music paper the > > following week, but I'd > > been on holiday or something and hadn't heard the show. I was pretty > > disappointed at the > > time and never really suspected I'd be able to hear it for the first > > time decades later, while > > living on the other side of the world. > > > > Think it's a pretty interesting selection of songs, because although > > he does say they aren't > > necessarily his 40 favourites of all time, there is quite a big > > overlap with stuff like the > > Peelenium, the Singles Box, the Fabric comp, and even Desert Island discs. > > > > Maybe we someone should work out a chart or something. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Steve W > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 > > > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 30 18:43:45 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:43:45 -0000 Subject: keith moon stands in for JP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank f*ck for that ! I did have to register - its working OK now. Thanks anyway, Alasdair & Eddie. Bye tbg --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "thebarguest" wrote: > > I've got the popular setup of a Dell PC, > Windows XP and Internet Explorer. > I don't get as far as using the BT client - I can't > even open/save the .torrent file. > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Alasdair Macdonald" > wrote: > > > > What browser and operating system are you using? Which BitTorrent > > client do you have, and does it work for other BitTorent downloads? > > > > 2008/8/30 thebarguest : > > > When I click the download link, absolutely nothing > > > happens. I'm well experienced in different types of > > > d/l but this one has got me flummoxed ! > > > > > > I've got the standard PC/Windows/IE system. > > > > > > Has anyone else downloaded this OK ? > > > > > > I'd be grateful for any advice........ > > > > >> >> http://www.jah-peel.no-ip.org:7070/index.html > > > From eddie.duffy@... Sat Aug 30 18:46:25 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Eddie Duffy) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:46:25 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: happy birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B97961.5000103@...> Hmm. Just checked the scan against my MP3s and it seems there might be one missing on the copies that circulate. Track 40 in the article is presumably meant to be "Slippin' And Slidin'" by Little Richard (on Speciality), which is not on my MP3s. I'd assumed previously that the recording of the Anfield Kop counted as track 40, but it seems probably not. The full 29th August '79 show was uploaded a few months back by Kevin (or was it Andrew), so hopefully the full 30th. August show will turn up in the 400 Box. Eddie. saipanda wrote: > > Many thanks, Eddie! > > Need to get the tracklisting for the two shows up on the Wiki, at some > point. > > Steve W > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com , Eddie > Duffy wrote: > > > > "Rasta Dub" it was, Steve. I've scanned the article and uploaded it to > > the Files section: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6xfbux > > > > Eddie. > > > > saipanda wrote: > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Eddie. I remember reading the list in a music paper the > > > following week, but I'd > > > been on holiday or something and hadn't heard the show. I was pretty > > > disappointed at the > > > time and never really suspected I'd be able to hear it for the first > > > time decades later, while > > > living on the other side of the world. > > > > > > Think it's a pretty interesting selection of songs, because although > > > he does say they aren't > > > necessarily his 40 favourites of all time, there is quite a big > > > overlap with stuff like the > > > Peelenium, the Singles Box, the Fabric comp, and even Desert > Island discs. > > > > > > Maybe we someone should work out a chart or something. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Steve W > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: > 29/08/2008 18:12 > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 > > From robfleay@... Sat Aug 30 20:18:59 2008 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:18:59 +0000 Subject: Even MORE new shows from the 400 Box Message-ID: <20080830181859.PKMB19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> The final two shows from my initial batch of 10 tapes are now uploaded to my Mediafire folder. (including the first show of the batch with a record played at the wrong speed!) http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 There is nearly all of 11 June 1979 show, but sadly he seems to have taped over the first section with the end of the 12 June 1979 show, so it may remain incomplete http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/11_June_1979 Undertones 3rd session (repeat) http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/12_June_1979 Buzzcocks 4th Session (one track) Steve Elgin & The Flatbackers 1st session (one track) This tape was the troublesome sticky C120 which I eventually got working thanks to the tips from Rocker. The felt pad on the underside of the tape was missing too so that didn't help but generally the sound is not bad with a few drop outs here and there. > The wiki pages for the relevant shows are updated - although I haevn't added the links to each page yet as I ran out of time, so for now ALL the shows I've ripped and uploaded are in my Mediafire folder > > http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 > > The newly uploaded shows are as follows: > > 1979-03-07 John Peel Radio 1 (incomplete).mp3 > Penetration 2nd Session. The Cure 1st Session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_March_1979 > > 1979-04-16 John Peel Radio 1 Part 1+2 (incomplete).mp3 > Generation X 3rd Session. Siouxisie & The Banshees 3rd session (LONGER THAN THE VERSION UPLOADED PREVIOUSLY) > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > 1979-09-17 John Peel Radio 1 (end part).mp3 > Stiff Little Fingers 3rd session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17_September_1979 > > 1979-09-18 John Peel Radio 1 (part 1).mp3 > Madness 1st Session. Wire 4th Session > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_September_1979 > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From thebarguest@... Sat Aug 30 23:19:23 2008 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:19:23 -0000 Subject: Even MORE new shows from the 400 Box In-Reply-To: <20080830181859.PKMB19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Message-ID: Thanks muchly, RobF ! If I ever had a tape with a broken or missing felt pad (on a copper strip), I would unscrew (or carefully crack open) the shell/case and re-house the mag tape in a new cassette case. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, RobF wrote: > > The final two shows from my initial batch of 10 tapes are now uploaded to my Mediafire folder. (including the first show of the batch with a record played at the wrong speed!) > > http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 > > There is nearly all of 11 June 1979 show, but sadly he seems to have taped over the first section with the end of the 12 June 1979 show, so it may remain incomplete > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/11_June_1979 > Undertones 3rd session (repeat) > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/12_June_1979 > Buzzcocks 4th Session (one track) > Steve Elgin & The Flatbackers 1st session (one track) > > This tape was the troublesome sticky C120 which I eventually got working thanks to the tips from Rocker. The felt pad on the underside of the tape was missing too so that didn't help but generally the sound is not bad with a few drop outs here and there. > > > > > The wiki pages for the relevant shows are updated - although I haevn't added the links to each page yet as I ran out of time, so for now ALL the shows I've ripped and uploaded are in my Mediafire folder > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6zog77 > > > > The newly uploaded shows are as follows: > > > > 1979-03-07 John Peel Radio 1 (incomplete).mp3 > > Penetration 2nd Session. The Cure 1st Session > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/07_March_1979 > > > > 1979-04-16 John Peel Radio 1 Part 1+2 (incomplete).mp3 > > Generation X 3rd Session. Siouxisie & The Banshees 3rd session (LONGER THAN THE VERSION UPLOADED PREVIOUSLY) > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/16_April_1979 > > > > 1979-09-17 John Peel Radio 1 (end part).mp3 > > Stiff Little Fingers 3rd session > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/17_September_1979 > > > > 1979-09-18 John Peel Radio 1 (part 1).mp3 > > Madness 1st Session. Wire 4th Session > > http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/18_September_1979 > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > From ken_garner@... Sun Aug 31 12:52:20 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:52:20 -0000 Subject: What actually happened in the first Festive 50 of 1976? Message-ID: I have just uploaded pdf scans of the full scripts (PasBs) for the 6 (not 5) relevant shows to the files section of this group's site. These should answer most of 'rushomancy''s long list of questions! As I say over there, "To resolve debates, and as a thank-you (from me) to the members of this group who contributed so much to the correcting of BBC archive data over recent months and years, here (for a limited time only) are the full details of what Peel actually played on the radio on six shows from 24/12/76 to 3/1/77 in the first Festive 50. One obvious forgotten detail is that several of these shows were extended to two hours, anticipating a permanent change at Easter 1977." I also noticed with horror that, contrary to the shows index in my book, and what my original notes back in 1992 said, that the F50 actually started a show earlier, on Christmas Eve, and he did indeed play the first 6 records, including Yes! I have no idea how I missed that 16 years ago. Apologies. These also serve as good examples of Peel PasBs at their best: legible, complete, reliable. This period only lasted from the mid 70s through to the late 80s. Earlier ones are sometimes incomplete or simply illegible, black and blotchy, when printed from the negative on microfilm at archives. And before anyone gets too excited, this is the only Festive 50 for which I actually have the hard copies of the scripts (the rest I read on screen only). The BBC charges a whopping fee per page for external organisations who ask for these scripts to be printed out, so I am at risk of breaking BBC copyright here. But, on the other hand, these are past the 30 year rule, were printed out and paid for internally as part of the production of In Session Tonight back in 92-93, and I would argue are the least the BBC can do for the sterling efforts of this group to properly document the legend that is etc. Still, to be on the safe side, I shall only leave them up on the site for a month, and will delete this post from the online archive after 2 weeks, ok? Enjoy! For use strictly for information and not graphic illumination of any bootlegs... NB. Note how records played that are singles, all the info is the first main column. The main oddities here, it seems to me, are the Hendrix tracks, whose discographical info given I do not understand: but then wasn't there a big copyright spat about Hendrix all through the 70s?? From jimmystep@... Sun Aug 31 14:15:16 2008 From: jimmystep@... (Jimmy Stepek) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] What actually happened in the first Festive 50 of 1976? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <925400.79180.qm@...> Ken, I just noted a slight error in the scan "peelPasB19761227". The date they have given for the Mady Prior & June Tabor session is 23/09/1976 when I would think it should be 1975 as the session I have was broadcast on 20/10/75. Cheers....Jimmy --- On Sun, 31/8/08, ken garner wrote: > From: ken garner > Subject: [peel] What actually happened in the first Festive 50 of 1976? > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 11:52 AM > I have just uploaded pdf scans of the full scripts (PasBs) > for the 6 (not 5) relevant shows to > the files section of this group's site. These should > answer most of 'rushomancy''s long list > of questions! As I say over there, "To resolve > debates, and as a thank-you (from me) to > the members of this group who contributed so much to the > correcting of BBC archive data > over recent months and years, here (for a limited time > only) are the full details of what > Peel actually played on the radio on six shows from > 24/12/76 to 3/1/77 in the first > Festive 50. One obvious forgotten detail is that several of > these shows were extended to > two hours, anticipating a permanent change at Easter > 1977." I also noticed with horror > that, contrary to the shows index in my book, and what my > original notes back in 1992 > said, that the F50 actually started a show earlier, on > Christmas Eve, and he did indeed play > the first 6 records, including Yes! I have no idea how I > missed that 16 years ago. > Apologies. These also serve as good examples of Peel PasBs > at their best: legible, > complete, reliable. This period only lasted from the mid > 70s through to the late 80s. > Earlier ones are sometimes incomplete or simply illegible, > black and blotchy, when printed > from the negative on microfilm at archives. And before > anyone gets too excited, this is > the only Festive 50 for which I actually have the hard > copies of the scripts (the rest I read > on screen only). The BBC charges a whopping fee per page > for external organisations who > ask for these scripts to be printed out, so I am at risk of > breaking BBC copyright here. But, > on the other hand, these are past the 30 year rule, were > printed out and paid for internally > as part of the production of In Session Tonight back in > 92-93, and I would argue are the > least the BBC can do for the sterling efforts of this group > to properly document the legend > that is etc. Still, to be on the safe side, I shall only > leave them up on the site for a month, > and will delete this post from the online archive after 2 > weeks, ok? Enjoy! For use strictly > for information and not graphic illumination of any > bootlegs... NB. Note how records > played that are singles, all the info is the first main > column. The main oddities here, it > seems to me, are the Hendrix tracks, whose discographical > info given I do not understand: > but then wasn't there a big copyright spat about > Hendrix all through the 70s?? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From ken_garner@... Sun Aug 31 15:20:47 2008 From: ken_garner@... (ken garner) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:20:47 -0000 Subject: What actually happened in the first Festive 50 of 1976? In-Reply-To: <925400.79180.qm@...> Message-ID: yes, you're right, of course. One of those rare occasions when the session sheet is right and the PasB is wrong! That sometimes happened, leading me on a chase for what might have been two sessions but which were (nearly always) just one. The clincher is of course the tracks and the tape number in brackets afterwards... k --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy Stepek wrote: > > Ken, > I just noted a slight error in the scan "peelPasB19761227". The date they have given for the Mady Prior & June Tabor session is 23/09/1976 when I would think it should be 1975 as the session I have was broadcast on 20/10/75. > Cheers....Jimmy > > > --- On Sun, 31/8/08, ken garner wrote: > > > From: ken garner > > Subject: [peel] What actually happened in the first Festive 50 of 1976? > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 11:52 AM > > I have just uploaded pdf scans of the full scripts (PasBs) > > for the 6 (not 5) relevant shows to > > the files section of this group's site. These should > > answer most of 'rushomancy''s long list > > of questions! As I say over there, "To resolve > > debates, and as a thank-you (from me) to > > the members of this group who contributed so much to the > > correcting of BBC archive data > > over recent months and years, here (for a limited time > > only) are the full details of what > > Peel actually played on the radio on six shows from > > 24/12/76 to 3/1/77 in the first > > Festive 50. One obvious forgotten detail is that several of > > these shows were extended to > > two hours, anticipating a permanent change at Easter > > 1977." I also noticed with horror > > that, contrary to the shows index in my book, and what my > > original notes back in 1992 > > said, that the F50 actually started a show earlier, on > > Christmas Eve, and he did indeed play > > the first 6 records, including Yes! I have no idea how I > > missed that 16 years ago. > > Apologies. These also serve as good examples of Peel PasBs > > at their best: legible, > > complete, reliable. This period only lasted from the mid > > 70s through to the late 80s. > > Earlier ones are sometimes incomplete or simply illegible, > > black and blotchy, when printed > > from the negative on microfilm at archives. And before > > anyone gets too excited, this is > > the only Festive 50 for which I actually have the hard > > copies of the scripts (the rest I read > > on screen only). The BBC charges a whopping fee per page > > for external organisations who > > ask for these scripts to be printed out, so I am at risk of > > breaking BBC copyright here. But, > > on the other hand, these are past the 30 year rule, were > > printed out and paid for internally > > as part of the production of In Session Tonight back in > > 92-93, and I would argue are the > > least the BBC can do for the sterling efforts of this group > > to properly document the legend > > that is etc. Still, to be on the safe side, I shall only > > leave them up on the site for a month, > > and will delete this post from the online archive after 2 > > weeks, ok? Enjoy! For use strictly > > for information and not graphic illumination of any > > bootlegs... NB. Note how records > > played that are singles, all the info is the first main > > column. The main oddities here, it > > seems to me, are the Hendrix tracks, whose discographical > > info given I do not understand: > > but then wasn't there a big copyright spat about > > Hendrix all through the 70s?? > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From saipanda@... Sun Aug 31 21:13:03 2008 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:13:03 -0000 Subject: Ultimate Spinach singer returns -- plus, Barbara Cartland album details Message-ID: Further to the Loyd Grossman's possible appearance as a singer for Ultimate Spinach on Ken's 12 March 1994 show-- thanks, Ken! -- came across this on the masterchef's latest musical activities: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Loyd-Grossman-becomes-the- face.4369068.jp Doesn't mention whether he was ever with Ultimate Spinach, but says he wrote for Rolling Stone in the late 60s, so it seems at least possible. Somehow I managed to miss his later UK punk career with Jet Bronx & The Forbidden. Wonder if the single was ever played by Peel. Also on the celebrity musical front, Peel plays a Barbara Cartland track on the 11 June 1979 show just set free from the 400 Box by Rob. On the unlikely possibility anyone's interested, here's more details on the album it was from: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/05/365_days_130_ba.html Cheers, Steve From eddie.duffy@... Sun Aug 31 21:52:50 2008 From: eddie.duffy@... (Ed Duffy) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:52:50 -0000 Subject: The Weakest Link Message-ID: I caught a bit of The Weakest Link earlier tonight, which was a journalist special (possibly a repeat). This wrong answer from the eventual winner tickled me: Anne Robinson: Which Radio One DJ was famous for his tearjerking "Our Tune" spot? Journalist: John Peel. What a strange parallel universe *that* would have been...