From hubcity@... Fri Feb 2 14:14:27 2007 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:14:27 -0500 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #145: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JCU00CQN7JHIZ00@...> Folks, This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - Noisettes - Kaiser Chiefs - Brakes - Cansei De Ser Sexy - Gram - LCD Soundsystem Plus we've got newly-added music: - The Apples In Stereo - Skyway - The Automatic - Raoul - Bloc Party - I Still Remember - The Broken West - Down In The Valley - The Butterflies Of Love - Take Action - The Chiara L's - Knives - Russia! Forward - Don't Be A Doctor - The Good The Bad & The Queen - Kingdom of Doom - Labasheeda - My City Your Hometown - The Laurel Collective - International Love Affair - Ted Leo + Pharmacists - Sons Of Cain - Modest Mouse - Dashboard - My Teenage Stride - To Live And Die In The Airport Lounge - Otherside - Swept Away - Teddybears - Punkrocker (radio edit feat. Iggy Pop) Our Featured Classics: - Alternative TV - Action Time Vision - Devo - Jerkin' Back And Forth - Game Theory - 24 (Twenty-Four) - Higsons - Run Me Down - Lush - Ladykillers - The Ramones - Bonzo Goes To Bitburg - Siouxsie And The Banshees - Spellbound - Squeeze - Cool For Cats - The Stranglers - 5 Minutes - Sugarcubes - Coldsweat As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From g.j.steel@... Thu Feb 8 12:20:49 2007 From: g.j.steel@... (graham steel) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:20:49 -0000 Subject: slashmusic playlists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/slashmusic/ even gets a mention in this week's show! About 47 mins in, TomR gives the URL and says "I have to admit, it's a very good site indeed,and I kind of wish we'd done it.." so nice work Andy! graham --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Dean" wrote: > > > "Koogy Wonderboy" on ilx started putting together full listings, but it > > looks like he only got as far as show 6: > > http://ilx.p3r.net/thread.php?msgid=7245126 > > hello! > > i started the above because of the slipshod nature of the channel4radio > listings. didn't think they'd come back to haunt me like this 8) > > what does the original poster want from listings? just better than the > official ones? (i'm not doing anything special, just listening, googling and > posting). even the ones that go up to week 18 are very wrong - weeks are > skipped, week 13 isn't skipped. the show numbers and dates are in the > filenames, how can they mess this up? anyway, i have restarted doing this. > will start by filling in the gaps on the 18 week list, then correct the ones > that are there. feel free to chip in. > > Slow Down Tallahassee were great last week btw > http://www.channel4.com/music/myband/sweetcandy > > andy > From hubcity@... Thu Feb 8 13:58:49 2007 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:58:49 -0500 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #146: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JD500304ATO07U0@...> Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. Now then, in addition to the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com, we've added features we know you'll like... Thursdays at 11:30am Eastern (and repeated at 9:00pm), Ferris O'Brien hops aboard the Altrok Radio signal to give you a taste of his approach to the world of alternativity. He's bringing you the overflow from his own SpyRadio showcase at Rock 100.5 The KATT in Oklahoma City, itself the lingering legacy of 105.3 The Spy, a legendary indie station in its own right that disappeared one night. No reason to quit just 'cause the station's gone, right? Then at 1:30pm Eastern Thursday (repeated at 11:00pm Eastern) you get to hear me showcase the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... And on Friday, it's Altrok's Eighties Friday: music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) As if that weren't enough, Fridays at 11:30am Eastern (and repeated at 9:00pm) you'll find New York's own DJ Shred and her hand-picked set filled with classics from the darker and more challenging corners of the Eighties. You'll be able to join her next Saturday as she creates her next Altrok set live: DJ Shred with Mister X and Dr. Lorenz at The East Village Lounge Saturday, February 17th 10pm til late (free admission 'til 11pm) 186 East 2nd St., between Av. A & B East Village, NYC www.eastvillagelounge.com 212-387-9400 But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - Bloc Party - !!! - The Video Nasties - Teddybears - Locksley - Modest Mouse Plus we've got newly-added music: - Blood Red Shoes - Try Harder - Elephants - Special Thing - The Fall - Blindness - Good Shoes - Ice Age - Kristin Hersh - Peggy Lee - Klaxons - Atlantis To Interzone - My Teenage Stride - Terror Bends - The Sunshine Underground - Borders - Vanessa And The O's - Bagatelle - The View - Superstar Tradesman - Virago - She's All That! - Wicked Automatic - Easy - Xerox Teens - Darlin' Our Featured Classics: - Bauhaus - Dark Entries - Blur - There's No Other Way - The Clash - Spanish Bombs - The Cure - The Blood - Depeche Mode - Leave in Silence - Thomas Dolby - Dissidents - The Maisonettes - Heartache Avenue - The The - I've Been Waitin' for Tomorrow (All of My Life) - Violent Femmes - Nightmares - XTC - Punch And Judy As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From hubcity@... Thu Feb 15 01:45:47 2007 From: hubcity@... (Sean Carolan) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:45:47 -0000 Subject: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio Message-ID: Folks, After playing "I'm Your Boyfriend Now", Huw mentioned the 2006 Festive Fifty on Dandelion Radio...is this new, or have I just missed every other instance of this? (And either way...how cool izzat?) -Sean From sploozed@... Thu Feb 15 11:46:36 2007 From: sploozed@... (Mark) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:46:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <506899.89359.qm@...> I think several people including Rob Da Bank have namechecked Dandelion lately. It's getting quite an underground rep :) It's also getting better each time. I can't claim to have listened to all of the eight hour streams in their entirety but my impression is that they are getting markedly better all the time. I think in time, and not all that much time, Dandelion is going to reach a moderately large audience. I just hope they have the server farms in place to cope. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From koogy@... Thu Feb 15 13:33:19 2007 From: koogy@... (Andrew Dean) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:33:19 +0000 Subject: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio In-Reply-To: <506899.89359.qm@...> References: <506899.89359.qm@...> Message-ID: Mark writes: > It's also getting better each time. I can't claim to > have listened to all of the eight hour streams in > their entirety 13 hours this month, 16 last month! - i'm still catching up with october's 8) andy From dekoder1982@... Thu Feb 15 17:32:58 2007 From: dekoder1982@... (dekoder1982) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:32:58 -0000 Subject: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio In-Reply-To: <506899.89359.qm@...> Message-ID: Dandelion is good. On the other side i am a bit unsatified that they dont repeat e mails for old john peel shows. They have the server but i ve you are new you have no chance. First there was no answer. Then they wanted my ID number etc. Then again nothing happens and so i wait and wait. Sorry, dont understand this. We all like John Peel but i think normally you can repeat to e mails. Dandelion didn´t answer... Jan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote: > > I think several people including Rob Da Bank have > namechecked Dandelion lately. It's getting quite an > underground rep :) > > It's also getting better each time. I can't claim to > have listened to all of the eight hour streams in > their entirety but my impression is that they are > getting markedly better all the time. > > I think in time, and not all that much time, Dandelion > is going to reach a moderately large audience. I just > hope they have the server farms in place to cope. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ nowyoucan.html > From festive50@... Thu Feb 15 21:51:48 2007 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:51:48 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apologies to List owner for using this group for answering Jan (Dekoder1982) As for some strange reason my various e-mails do not seem to be getting through to him. - I've sent him/her 2 or 3 replies so far to no avail (and not blocked). So he/she keeps having his/her moans at all and sundry on this group. So JAN 1) I am just an ordinary poster on this site. 2) Occasionally I use this group to advertise the services of my Music Server, which is mainly Peel orientated and also contains Marcelle's "Another Nice Mess" shows. Especially when there are current discussions on obtaining old Peel shows. 3) Finally, as I pointed out in the last of my e-mails which got through to you, I am heavily involved with Dandelion Radio which takes up most of my fee time of late and do not have much time left for running the "Peel Server" and the correspondence/maintenance which it entails. As, at Dandelion Radio, although inspired by "The Great Man" himself, we are constantly looking forward and searching for new and exciting music and unsigned artists (we do play the odd "oldie" however). So these 3 roles of mine are connected in 1 point only, they all have a John Peel connection and that's where the connection ends. I'd therefore be very grateful for all future e-mails concerning the server are sent to my personal e-mail addresses :- festive50@... phil@... or phil@... To reiterate Bemoaning this group concerning my server is unfair on this group as there is absolutely no connection. Bemoaning Dandelion Radio for the non-reply to e-mails is also unfair as we take great pride in replying to all our e-mails, whether they be :- 1) From artists/record labels sending in demos. 2) Aspiring DJs who wish to get started and possibly join our ranks, where we decide who's the appropriate person to reply to the enquiry. 3) Congratulatory, from listeners, who think we've "hit the spot" and come some way to filling the void left by Peel's sad demise. There may have been a delay in replying recently because it's been rather hectic here at Dandelion Radio Towers for the last couple of months, as we've been rather busy with the Festive 50, Shifty Disco's 10th birthday party and the Autons exclusive session and their gig at "The Cargo". Finally JAN, I'd suggest you get this e-mail translated by someone fluent in English, as I believe my earlier e-mails may have lost the plot in their translation. Also, I'm resending my previous e-mail concerning server log in details as soon as I post this. Regards Phil Edwards P.S. Apologies, once again to Stuart (List owner). -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dekoder1982 Sent: 15 February 2007 16:33 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio Dandelion is good. On the other side i am a bit unsatified that they dont repeat e mails for old john peel shows. They have the server but i ve you are new you have no chance. First there was no answer. Then they wanted my ID number etc. Then again nothing happens and so i wait and wait. Sorry, dont understand this. We all like John Peel but i think normally you can repeat to e mails. Dandelion didn�t answer... Jan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote: > > I think several people including Rob Da Bank have > namechecked Dandelion lately. It's getting quite an > underground rep :) > > It's also getting better each time. I can't claim to > have listened to all of the eight hour streams in > their entirety but my impression is that they are > getting markedly better all the time. > > I think in time, and not all that much time, Dandelion > is going to reach a moderately large audience. I just > hope they have the server farms in place to cope. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ nowyoucan.html > From alan@... Thu Feb 15 23:51:29 2007 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:51:29 -0000 Subject: Some 60's Bollywood Message-ID: <00a801c75153$d4f04500$2e62af50@fordyidkviebja> According to my Google research I might be the last person in the world to have seen/heard this, but in case there is anyone else missing out I thought I'd share it with you; I think it's fantastic; Maybe John even played it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkBAUlNVLRY Cheers Alan From hughbrune@... Fri Feb 16 10:32:38 2007 From: hughbrune@... (hughbrune@...) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:32:38 EST Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: According to the Bookseller magazine this week, 'In Session Tonight' is due out in a new edition in October. Nothing as yet on Amazon or the Random House website, but you might want to hold off paying £100+ on ebay for a few more months.... Hugh From pbryant98@... Fri Feb 16 11:04:56 2007 From: pbryant98@... (Paul Bryant) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:04:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Ken Garner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <132903.42679.qm@...> --- hughbrune@... wrote: > > > According to the Bookseller magazine this week, 'In > Session Tonight' is due > out in a new edition in October. Nothing as yet on > Amazon or the Random House > website, but you might want to hold off paying �100+ > on ebay for a few more > months.... > > Hugh Kinda surprised some peelhead hasn't put all this info on a website somewhere. It was freely available at the BBC's Peel site for many months. pb ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From domesticempire@... Fri Feb 16 11:15:44 2007 From: domesticempire@... (Domestic Empire) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:15:44 +0000 Subject: [peel] Ken Garner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good to know. Thanks for the tip Hugh. Gary johnpeeleveryday.blogspot.com On 16/02/07, hughbrune@... wrote: > > > According to the Bookseller magazine this week, 'In Session Tonight' is due > out in a new edition in October. Nothing as yet on Amazon or the Random > House > website, but you might want to hold off paying £100+ on ebay for a few more > months.... > > Hugh > > -- Gary {aka domestic empire} http://johnpeeleveryday.blogspot.com From robfleay@... Fri Feb 16 14:33:45 2007 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:33:45 -0000 Subject: [peel] Ken Garner In-Reply-To: <132903.42679.qm@...> References: Message-ID: <45D5B2B9.32024.137839E@localhost> > Kinda surprised some peelhead hasn't put all this info > on a website somewhere. It was freely available at the > BBC's Peel site for many months. The stuff on the BBC Peel Site had load sof errors/omissions - the Ken Garner book was much more thorough. Question is - will the new edition be updated to include the post 1991 stuff that was missing from the original? Let's hope so! From thebarguest@... Sat Feb 17 10:59:48 2007 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:59:48 -0000 Subject: New pub in honour of John Message-ID: Just seen this on BBC website - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6368765.stm A new pub is being named after (for) John Peel in Heswall, close to where he lived as a child. Looks quite classy. The acid test of course, is the music they will play ! And they should stock some decent red wine at a reasonable cost ! Cheers, Mike Hunt From robfleay@... Sat Feb 17 11:19:20 2007 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:19:20 -0000 Subject: [peel] New pub in honour of John In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45D6D6A8.9812.181826@localhost> It's a Barracuda chain pub... http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?sectioncode=7&storycode=54149 If the Barracuda in my fair citry is anything to go by then it will be awful. A mecca for the type of white-shirted hair-gelled morons who think owning a Keane album is one step away from being a goth. What's Heswall like? Is it quite posh? > Just seen this on BBC website - > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6368765.stm > > A new pub is being named after (for) John Peel in Heswall, > close to where he lived as a child. Looks quite classy. The > acid test of course, is the music they will play ! And they > should stock some decent red wine at a reasonable cost ! > > Cheers, > Mike Hunt > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From mwheatley@... Sat Feb 17 11:58:04 2007 From: mwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:58:04 +0000 Subject: Kershaw & Late Junction Message-ID: <20070217105820.A9ABCE000AEE@...> Those of you who listen to Radio 3 should note we have schedule changes as of now Andy Kershaw is moved to Monday 11.15Pm to 1AM Late Junction is now Tuesday to Thursday 11.15Pm to 1AM Mixing It on Friday is no more (it's a series of jazz progs on Friday evening now) The more mathematically inclined of you will notice that 2 of the 6 'alternative ' progs on Radio 3 have been lost in the shuffle martinw From martynbaldock@... Sat Feb 17 14:36:47 2007 From: martynbaldock@... (suandpercy) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:36:47 -0000 Subject: Peel tapes - photographer needs your help Message-ID: I am someone who grew up listening to John Peel. He informed my musical being. Now I have grown up (and some) I am a photographer and I'm currently making a book about fellow Peel fans. Well, not the actual fans, but their tapes. The tapes that they recorded from Peel shows. Tapes of sessions, shows and festive fifties. I came up with the idea after re-finding my collection of festive fifty tapes. It is sad but I had stashed them away as redundant (stereo 'upgrade' left me without tape deck). It is unlikely I will play the tapes ever again as I have now sourced mp3 versions to fuel my i-pod. However, tapes hold an aesthetic appeal to me and I want to document this form of technology before people start to dispose of it. Although physical cassettes are all very similar the content and labelling are unique to each tape. The book will be very simple - images of tapes, maybe some text about the owner and the content of the tape. I am writing to appeal for tapes. For this project to work I need lots of tapes to photograph. I am hoping that each 'home taper' will be prepared to lend me one of their favourite Peel tapes. For it to work I need to photograph each tape in an identical manner. I will need to borrow the physical tape to photograph in controlled conditions in my studio. I can assure you that I will respect the irreplaceable nature of your tape; I will be very careful. If you are a willing participant then I will send you a stamped addressed, recorded delivery, waterproof envelope, for you to send me the tape. Once I have photographed it I will return it in the same manner, without delay. As well as taking the form of a book this project will be exhibited in London in July. Any participants will get to see their tape featured in a variety of different mediums. I can also assure you of anonymity if desired. If you are interested please email me at martynbaldock@... and I will be really chuffed to advise you accordingly. Best Wishes Martyn Baldock From thebarguest@... Sat Feb 17 20:28:43 2007 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:28:43 -0000 Subject: New pub in honour of John In-Reply-To: <45D6D6A8.9812.181826@localhost> Message-ID: Heswall has a rep for being quite "posh" but I haven't been there myself. I suspect it's like West Kirby nearby, where that new Bond actor comes from ie posh compared to, say, Bootle or Harlow or East Oxford but not as posh as, say, North Oxford or the posh enclaves of Lahndon, like Hampstead. In other words, the predominant class is "lower-middle", with mild, Lennon-esque Liverpool accents. In terms of location for a pub, I'd rather make my way home at 11:30 Sat night from the "John Peel" in Heswall as opposed to the "Scally Arms" in Bootle. I think city centre and country pubs have more atmosphere than suburban ones, anyway..... Mike H. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Robf" wrote: > > It's a Barracuda chain pub... > http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?sectioncode=7&storycode=54149 > > If the Barracuda in my fair citry is anything to go by then it will be awful. > A mecca for the type of white-shirted hair-gelled morons who think > owning a Keane album is one step away from being a goth. > > What's Heswall like? Is it quite posh? > > > Just seen this on BBC website - > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6368765.stm > > > > A new pub is being named after (for) John Peel in Heswall, > > close to where he lived as a child. Looks quite classy. The > > acid test of course, is the music they will play ! And they > > should stock some decent red wine at a reasonable cost ! > > > > Cheers, > > Mike Hunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From thebarguest@... Sat Feb 17 21:11:34 2007 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:11:34 -0000 Subject: Kershaw & Late Junction In-Reply-To: <20070217105820.A9ABCE000AEE@...> Message-ID: "Late Junction" is excellent - life-affirming, informative and ever- surprising non-loud "music" from any time or place ! I discovered it by chance 3 years ago ; if it was advertised (instead of yet another 'cops-and robbers' tv show), I reckon the listenership could double. The Kershaw show is a bit too samey. He used to play too much sub- Saharan African music, now he plays too much blues. Apparently, he moved to the Isle of Man ; I thought it was only the ultra-rich who could get in - do the BBC pay him as much as J. Ross or did he win the lottery perhaps ? Regards, Douglas Manx --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > Those of you who listen to Radio 3 should note we have > schedule changes as of now > > Andy Kershaw is moved to Monday 11.15Pm to 1AM > > Late Junction is now Tuesday to Thursday 11.15Pm to 1AM > > Mixing It on Friday is no more (it's a series of jazz progs > on Friday evening now) > > The more mathematically inclined of you will notice that > 2 of the 6 'alternative ' progs on Radio 3 have been lost in the shuffle > > martinw > From thebarguest@... Sat Feb 17 21:12:00 2007 From: thebarguest@... (thebarguest) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:12:00 -0000 Subject: Kershaw & Late Junction In-Reply-To: <20070217105820.A9ABCE000AEE@...> Message-ID: "Late Junction" is excellent - life-affirming, informative and ever- surprising non-loud "music" from any time or place ! I discovered it by chance 3 years ago ; if it was advertised (instead of yet another 'cops-and robbers' tv show), I reckon the listenership could double. The Kershaw show is a bit too samey. He used to play too much sub- Saharan African music, now he plays too much blues. Apparently, he moved to the Isle of Man ; I thought it was only the ultra-rich who could get in - do the BBC pay him as much as J. Ross or did he win the lottery perhaps ? Regards, Douglas Manx --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > Those of you who listen to Radio 3 should note we have > schedule changes as of now > > Andy Kershaw is moved to Monday 11.15Pm to 1AM > > Late Junction is now Tuesday to Thursday 11.15Pm to 1AM > > Mixing It on Friday is no more (it's a series of jazz progs > on Friday evening now) > > The more mathematically inclined of you will notice that > 2 of the 6 'alternative ' progs on Radio 3 have been lost in the shuffle > > martinw > From troche@... Sat Feb 17 22:33:30 2007 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:33:30 -0500 Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: Wasn't Garner himself on this list for a brief time awhile ago? If he's smart he should start his next book's marketing campaign here, ha. The book publishing work is changing. As the steep costs of book self-publishing have dwindled, a lot of authors just go out on their own, even after a legit publisher takes a pass on an idea claiming there will be no money in it. I wonder if that is Garner's position, or if he has a traditional publisher lined up. There was an interesting piece in the NY Times last year about some self-publishing successes on specialized music reference books about The Beatles. Some authors were told that the world had enough books on the Beatles (I would have concurred.) They put out the books themselves and it's been quite lucrative. The whole Times story is behind their pay wall or else I'd just include a link... so... I'll post it in a 2nd message -- recognizing fully this is not a Beatles list. And I'll even volunteer that is just barmy to pay good money to find out what George Harrison had for breakfast on 3/19/68. Still, it is an interesting back story...I'll put OT in the subject if you want to blow by it. tom r atlanta From troche@... Sat Feb 17 22:33:32 2007 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:33:32 -0500 Subject: OT : Self-Publishing: "Why Don't You Do It on Your Own?" Message-ID: December 26, 2006 A Book Publisher, Beatlemaniacs? Why Don't You Do It on Your Own? By ALLAN KOZINN Maybe you thought the publishing world had exploited every bit of information about the Beatles, useful and trivial, in the Himalayan stack of books published since the group's heyday in the 1960s: biographies both straight and gossipy, musical analyses, chronologies, as well as Beatles-theme novels. Guess again. Now, if mainstream publishers reject their work as too specialized, even the most Beatles-obsessed authors are finding audiences for their books by publishing them themselves. But don't even think the phrase ''vanity press.'' Many of these self-published books are lavishly produced and packed with original research that makes them invaluable to Beatles scholars and collectors, and some have been startlingly successful through online sales. They range from meticulous descriptions of the Beatles' recording process to multi-volume examinations of the group's American releases, to evaluations of unreleased studio and concert recordings now on the bootleg market. Like indie rock bands rebuffed by major record labels, some of the self-published authors tried getting publishing deals before deciding to go it alone. But a growing number are saying: Why bother? Self-publishing, on top of giving the authors all the profits, gives them editorial and design control too, which they feel outweighs the drawback of having to research on their own dime rather than on a publisher's advance. ''Everything I read seemed to suggest that self-publication would be a good idea,'' said John C. Winn, the author of ''Way Beyond Compare,'' ''That Magic Feeling'' and ''Lifting Latches,'' a self-published series that offers annotated source information about all the Beatles' known audio and video recordings, including interviews. ''My books are targeted to a specific audience that I'm able to reach directly. Being a Beatlemaniac, I hung around with other Beatlemaniacs, and I knew where to find them and what they'd be interested in reading about.'' Some authors report surprisingly brisk sales. Published in August, ''Recording the Beatles,'' a 540-page study of the equipment and techniques used to make the Beatles' recordings, has sold out its first run of 3,000 copies at $100 apiece. The authors, Kevin Ryan and Brian Kehew, have a second printing on order and plan a less expensive edition in 2007. Mr. Ryan and Mr. Kehew, who both work as producers and engineers, took a decade to research their book, which includes pictures and descriptions of every piece of recording and sound-processing equipment used at the Abbey Road Studios in London, as well as diagrams showing how the Beatles set up for particular recordings, and step-by-step analyses of how the songs were assembled. Bruce Spizer, a lawyer in New Orleans, began his work as a do-it-yourself Beatles author with a study of the fraught legal relationship between EMI, the Beatles' British record label, and Vee-Jay, which licensed the group's early recordings. His four sequels to ''The Beatles Records on Vee-Jay'' include books about the Beatles' releases in the United States on Capitol and on their own imprint, Apple, each offering reproductions of cover art (including rejected designs), labels (including variations), correspondence and promotional materials. A final installment, ''The Beatles Swan Song,'' is due in March. He has also published ''The Beatles Are Coming!,'' about the band's first visit to America, in February 1964. All told, Mr. Spizer said, he has sold 37,000 copies of his six books, which have brought in more than $1 million since the first was published in 1998. But more important for Mr. Spizer, the books put him on the radar at EMI and Apple. When they released CDs of the Beatles' albums in their American configurations (the original CDs follow the British album versions, which have different track sequences), they hired Mr. Spizer as a consultant. ''I could do this full time,'' Mr. Spizer said. ''But I'm keeping my day job. I like to say that as a tax attorney, I make $210 an hour, and as a Beatles publisher, I make $2.10 an hour.'' The books are part of a growing self-published library of must-haves for anyone fascinated with the Beatles' music, released and unreleased. Others include Doug Sulpy's regularly updated ''Complete Beatles Audio Guide,'' which sorts out the tangled bootleg market, and Chip Madinger and Mark Easter's ''Eight Arms to Hold You,'' a catalog of every known live, studio, television and radio recording by the solo Beatles. (Full disclosure: I contributed a foreword, without compensation.) Mr. Madinger is at work, with Scott Raile, on a two-volume study of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's work together, in which one book is a day-by-day chronology, and the other is a detailed sessionography. ''The goal is to answer any question you might have about their life and work together,'' Mr. Madinger said of his Lennon project. One thing these books have in common is that they began as private research projects, not as book ideas, because the authors sought information that was not readily available. In some cases their Beatles research intersected with their day jobs. Mr. Ryan and Mr. Kehew, as musicians and engineers, became fascinated with how the Beatles and their production team created the band's sound on disc. They began working separately, Mr. Ryan in Houston, Mr. Kehew in Los Angeles in the early 1990s. ''When I started writing and recording my own songs, I tried to make them sound like the Beatles' records, but I couldn't do it,'' Mr. Ryan said. ''So I wanted to know: What were they doing? What were their tools? Writing the book was a good excuse to contact people and ask questions.'' Mr. Ryan began traveling to Britain to interview EMI engineers and quickly learned that Mr. Kehew was covering similar ground. They decided to pool their resources. ''And it was great,'' Mr. Ryan said, ''because wherever our overlapping research agreed, it was corroboration; and wherever there were discrepancies, we knew we had to look more closely and figure out why.'' Eventually they interviewed just about everyone who worked on the Beatles sessions between 1962 and 1970, with a few notable exceptions: the former Beatles themselves; George Martin, their producer; and Geoff Emerick, their engineer from 1966 to 1969. Mr. Martin and Mr. Emerick have each written books about their work with the group. ''We found that the people who were a real gold mine were the ones who haven't been asked about this every day of their lives,'' Mr. Ryan said. ''You're asking them things they haven't been asked before, and you're getting fresh, undiluted responses that haven't become simplified through constant repetition.'' Ms. Ono was taken with ''Recording the Beatles'' when she saw it. ''Because I was lucky enough to have been there in some of the later sessions,'' she wrote in an e-mail message, ''I am happy that Kevin Ryan and Brian Kehew have done such a great job. It's a strong magical and nostalgic trip for me.'' They were able to solve a few mysteries along the way. Collectors have long noted, for example, that the stereo and mono versions of ''Help!'' have different lead vocal tracks from Lennon. All 12 takes of the song recorded at Abbey Road circulate among collectors, and the vocal on Take 12 is in the stereo version. But the vocal in the mono mix is nowhere among them. While collecting illustrations for their book, Mr. Ryan and Mr. Kehew found photographs taken during dialogue dubbing sessions for the film ''Help!'' at C.T.S. Studios in London. Some shots showed Mr. Martin, even though there was no reason he should have attended a dialogue session; others showed the group in a typical singing configuration, with Lennon at one microphone and George Harrison and Paul McCartney sharing another. Each is holding a sheet of paper that, when magnified and reversed, showed the lyrics of ''Help!'' Clearly, the group remade the vocals at C.T.S., and because that studio's equipment was incompatible with EMI's, the mono version was mixed on the spot and handed over for use on the soundtrack. ''I think it's a marvelous book; in fact it embarrasses my 'Recording Sessions' book,'' said Mark Lewisohn, the British author whose 1988 book, ''The Beatles Recording Sessions'' (Harmony Books), was the first detailed examination of the group's recording process, and whose other books, ''The Beatles Live!'' (Henry Holt) and ''The Complete Beatles Chronicle'' (Harmony), set the standard for serious Beatles research in the 1980s and '90s. Mr. Lewisohn has taken the more traditional publishing route. (His current project, a three-volume Beatles biography, is to be published by Crown, starting in 2009.) But he said he understood the attraction of doing it on your own. ''When you self-publish, you have the opportunity to be as indulgent as you like,'' he said. ''You can go into everything with a thoroughness that a conventional publisher would try to limit for reasons of cost.'' That said, self-publication forces authors to become fluent in budgeting, printing, copyrights, design and other details of getting their books into print. ''We did talk to some publishers, small and large,'' Mr. Ryan said, ''but I don't think we were ever convinced that was the way to go. We had strong ideas about how the book should look, and about its content and organization. ''Also,'' he added, ''Brian and I have both dealt personally with record company contracts in the past, and we could see a correlation between the world of publishing and the music world. In both cases, unless you're going to sell a million copies of your product, you will never make a significant chunk of money. The publisher or record company takes the lion's share and you get scraps.'' Waiting to Take You Away on a Fact-Filled Tour These are the Beatle books and authors mentioned in this article: RECORDING THE BEATLES by Kevin Ryan and Brian Kehew (Curvebender Publishing, 2006). A magnificently produced 11- by-11-inch hardcover, packaged in a slipcase designed to look like an EMI tape box, this book includes everything you could possibly want to know about the equipment used at the Abbey Road Studios when the Beatles worked there, and a great deal of information about how the group made its classic recordings. Mr. Ryan and Mr. Kehew's imprint, Curvebender, is named for a piece of equipment described in the book. Information: recordingthebeatles.com. WAY BEYOND COMPARE: THE BEATLES' RECORDED LEGACY, VOL. 1: 1957-1965 (2003) THAT MAGIC FEELING: THE BEATLES' RECORDED LEGACY, VOL. 2: 1966-1970 (2003) LIFTING LATCHES: THE BEATLES' RECORDED LEGACY, VOL. 3: INSIDE THE BEATLES' VAULTS (2005) BEATLEGMANIA, VOL. 1 (2006) All by John C. Winn (Multiplus Books). The first two volumes in Mr. Winn's ''Recorded Legacy'' series offer detailed source information about every snippet of the Beatles you're likely to hear on anything from a standard Beatles CD or a documentary to a bootleg. The third volume describes the contents of EMI's Beatles archives, reel by reel. And the ''Beatlegmania'' series promises to be a nostalgic look at classic bootlegs, going all the back to the days when they were vinyl discs with rubber-stamped covers. Mr. Winn's imprint, Multiplus, refers to a line in ''Alec Speaking,'' a poem in John Lennon's first book, ''In His Own Write.'' Information: members.aol.com/multiplusbooks. THE BEATLES RECORDS ON VEE-JAY (1998) THE BEATLES' STORY ON CAPITOL RECORDS -- PART ONE: BEATLEMANIA & THE SINGLES (2000) THE BEATLES' STORY ON CAPITOL RECORDS -- PART TWO: THE ALBUMS (2000) THE BEATLES ARE COMING! (2003) THE BEATLES ON APPLE RECORDS (2003) THE BEATLES SOLO ON APPLE RECORDS (2005) THE BEATLES SWAN SONG (DUE 2007) All by Bruce Spizer, (498 Productions). These volumes offer a wealth of detail about the Beatles' American recordings and their first visit to the United States, touching on everything from contracts and lawsuits to promotional materials, all richly illustrated. Mr. Spizer's imprint, 498 Productions, refers to the catalog number of a Vee-Jay single on which the Beatles' name is misspelled (as Beattles). Information: beatle.net. COMPLETE BEATLES AUDIO GUIDE, by Doug Sulpy (The 910, 2006). The latest in a regularly updated series of bootleg guides, this volume points collectors to the best sources for every circulating (officially or otherwise) Beatles recording. Mr. Sulpy's imprint, The 910, refers to his quarterly bootleg review magazine, which in turn refers to the Beatles song ''One After 909.'' Information: dougsulpy.com. EIGHT ARMS TO HOLD YOU: THE SOLO BEATLES COMPENDIU, by Chip Madinger and Mark Easter, (44.1 Productions, 2000). This is the place to look for information about the former Beatles solo live and studio recordings, through 2000. A more comprehensive two-volume look at John Lennon and Yoko Ono's music, by Mr. Madinger and Scott Raile, is planned for October 2007. The imprint, 44.1, is the sampling rate of the digital waveform on a CD. Information: 8-arms.com and lennonstrangedays.com. ALLAN KOZINN Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company From tonydonaghey@... Sat Feb 17 23:06:10 2007 From: tonydonaghey@... (tony donaghey) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:06:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <593718.30147.qm@...> I can vouch that self publishing/small publishing is a way to go. A few years back Kevin Coyne from his home in Germany asked for some help with finding a British publisher. I ended up publishing his book That Old Suburban Angst which is readily available from Amazon, e-bay or kevincoynebooks.com. If your still reading this you might be interested in the myspace page which is currently featuring the Kevin Coyne tribute album Whispers From The Offing. The 4 songs posted include Alternative TV and Kevin Hewick whilst the album itself also has Nikki Sudden, Jowe Head, Nigel Burch, Chris Connelly, Dave Russel, Leo O'Kelly and Jackie Leven. www.myspace.com/kevincoynebookscom Tony Tom Roche wrote: Wasn't Garner himself on this list for a brief time awhile ago? If he's smart he should start his next book's marketing campaign here, ha. The book publishing work is changing. As the steep costs of book self-publishing have dwindled, a lot of authors just go out on their own, even after a legit publisher takes a pass on an idea claiming there will be no money in it. I wonder if that is Garner's position, or if he has a traditional publisher lined up. There was an interesting piece in the NY Times last year about some self-publishing successes on specialized music reference books about The Beatles. Some authors were told that the world had enough books on the Beatles (I would have concurred.) They put out the books themselves and it's been quite lucrative. The whole Times story is behind their pay wall or else I'd just include a link... so... I'll post it in a 2nd message -- recognizing fully this is not a Beatles list. And I'll even volunteer that is just barmy to pay good money to find out what George Harrison had for breakfast on 3/19/68. Still, it is an interesting back story...I'll put OT in the subject if you want to blow by it. tom r atlanta From dunelm@... Sun Feb 18 16:38:33 2007 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:38:33 -0000 Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: As far as one is aware, Ken Garner is still a Senior Lecturer at Glasgow Caledonian University, and his email address is k.garner@... for anyone wishing to lobby for specific revisions to In Session Tonight. But why stop at the sessions? Presumably someone such as Mr Garner has access to all of the PasB (programme-as-broadcast) sheets kept at BBC Written Archives in Caversham. These list every item that was played, in order; giving artist, title, duration, composer and publisher; with label and catalogue number, for commercial records. Call me a train spotter, but for me that really would be the mother lode: the running order of every show broadcast by Peel at the BBC. Surely the potential market for such a tome would be considerable – there's this group for starters! – and as the information is available, there's no reason why it couldn't be done. Quite apart from anything else, it would allow us to work out precisely what was in the 1977 Festive Fifty. The top 13 is well known. All we would have to do is find the relevant show, work backwards from the top 13 (allowing for a few session tracks) and there you have it. From mwheatley@... Sun Feb 18 19:04:53 2007 From: mwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:04:53 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070218180458.BA9EAE00038E@...> At 15:38 18/02/2007, dunelm61 wrote: >But why stop at the sessions? Presumably someone such as Mr Garner >has access to all of the PasB (programme-as-broadcast) sheets kept at >BBC Written Archives in Caversham. These list every item that was >played, in order; giving artist, title, duration, composer and >publisher; with label and catalogue number, for commercial records. He had access to them for awhile some years ago but that was under Peel's sponsorship. Whether he still has access we don't know >Call me a train spotter, but for me that really would be the mother >lode: the running order of every show broadcast by Peel at the BBC. >Surely the potential market for such a tome would be considerable – Considerable? Such a book would be about 1500 pages and would need to be extensively cross indexed. It would be a huge amount of work and very expensive. It would probably cost more pounds than it would sell copies In this day and age the Internet is probably more realistic For one thing it's easier to search any info that is put up We already have the session info up The playlists are stopped because computers can't grab info out of thin air. Someone who had access to the info would have to type in 35 years worth of playlists. And who is going to pay for this The BBC aren't going to - they would think they have done more than their bit by financing the session info site We don't know if this will be a straight reprint of Ken's book or whether it add the missing years. My guess is a straight reprint If it does turn out to be a straight reprint maybe the most valuable thing that can be done is for someone with a large hard disc to try and copy all the missing session info from the BBC site. The cynic in me suggests that that site won't last forever - possibly only until they next update the servers which with Vista on the horizon might not be that long Remember that Peel is history to Radio 1 and not something they have any further interest in martinw From dunelm@... Sun Feb 18 21:02:37 2007 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:02:37 -0000 Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: I take all of your points, but feel there are ways and ways of doing things. For one thing, I don't imagine the amount of work and number of pages required would exceed Martin C Strong's Great Rock Discography. In fact, less work would probably be required, as no real research would be involved, only the processing of lists which already exist. For another thing, one needn't publish everything in one volume. For example, a book on Peel's Shows 1976-1980 would be fascinating enough, covering the transformation of the show during a particularly revolutionary period. Its publication would allow toes to be dipped in the water to assess the potential market for future volumes. As for the expense, I for one would be prepared to fork out plenty for what I would regard as a music fan's dream. And I can't imagine that the book would cost more than people appear willing to pay for second hand copies of In Session Tonight on eBay! From mwheatley@... Mon Feb 19 00:43:27 2007 From: mwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:43:27 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070218234330.CDAE5E000350@...> At 20:02 18/02/2007, you wrote: >I take all of your points, but feel there are ways and ways of doing >things. For one thing, I don't imagine the amount of work and number of >pages required would exceed Martin C Strong's Great Rock Discography. >In fact, less work would probably be required, as no real research >would be involved, only the processing of lists which already exist. Most big discography books are the culmination of someone's hobby with data put together over many years Back in the old days when I was a record dealer I used to do this myself - collect all the catalogues and do my own discographies Long gone now Processing the lists assuming they were available which we don't know would involve someone setting aside many months of their life as Ken did once for the session book but he is otherwise employed now >For another thing, one needn't publish everything in one volume. For >example, a book on Peel's Shows 1976-1980 would be fascinating enough, >covering the transformation of the show during a particularly >revolutionary period. Its publication would allow toes to be dipped in >the water to assess the potential market for future volumes. > >As for the expense, I for one would be prepared to fork out plenty for >what I would regard as a music fan's dream. And I can't imagine that >the book would cost more than people appear willing to pay for second >hand copies of In Session Tonight on eBay! > This is just individual collectors - not the numbers needed to finance a book I've just looked at Yahoogroups and there are 512 members. But a considerable number are listed as bounces or look like fairly historic memberships. I really don't think there are that many people left who are that interested in Peel minutiae. The session book is very different to what you propose since it listed many recordings that people wouldn't otherwise know about and so was supplementary to standard discographies. The biography (which I am currently halfway through) is just an entertaining read but beyond that.........? I do realise that there are some people especially some on this list to whom playlists are of vital importance but I really don't think it is that many. It's very easy on a list like this to get it out of proportion I am not trying to dampen your enthusiasm too much but it is going to take a real enthusiast with lots of time and money to spare to do what you want. And of course it always assumes the BBC would give access to what are after all private papers even if they still have them all The BBC were after all the publishers of Ken's book - I doubt they would be interested in the playlist books martinw From mwheatley@... Mon Feb 19 00:54:19 2007 From: mwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:54:19 +0000 Subject: Peel Faourites Message-ID: <20070218235421.83BC8E0002E6@...> I was having a look through the listings of Internet-based radio station Resonance FM when I noticed the following There is a 2 hour show at 10Pm by Mike Spenser Some of you may recall he has a record in Peel's record box http://www.resonancefm.com/listings/20070221.html For details Also he has a website with lots of downloads http://www.thetrashcan.co.uk/radioon/ On the following day a noticed a program presented by Peel favourite from several bands Helen McCookerybook http://www.resonancefm.com/listings/20070222.html martinw From festive50@... Mon Feb 19 20:52:43 2007 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:52:43 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's an extract from a post I made a couple of years ago ".......with a combination of downloading from various tracklisting sites (Lorcan's springs to mind) plus the Beeb's, I created a database, printed it off and started to listen/relisten to the shows and annotate it (this database is in the files section). Anything with a tape number against it, then I have it. It's still nowhere near complete, but I hope to eventually finish this mammoth task one day." I haven't touched this for a long time mainly due to my Dandelion Radio commitments but at last count this database stood at just under 20,000 tracks. I'm sure there must a few people who have similar databases. It just started out as a method of cataloguing my 500+ tapes. Phil -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of dunelm61 Sent: 18 February 2007 20:03 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner I take all of your points, but feel there are ways and ways of doing things. For one thing, I don't imagine the amount of work and number of pages required would exceed Martin C Strong's Great Rock Discography. In fact, less work would probably be required, as no real research would be involved, only the processing of lists which already exist. For another thing, one needn't publish everything in one volume. For example, a book on Peel's Shows 1976-1980 would be fascinating enough, covering the transformation of the show during a particularly revolutionary period. Its publication would allow toes to be dipped in the water to assess the potential market for future volumes. As for the expense, I for one would be prepared to fork out plenty for what I would regard as a music fan's dream. And I can't imagine that the book would cost more than people appear willing to pay for second hand copies of In Session Tonight on eBay! From hubcity@... Tue Feb 20 03:22:01 2007 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:22:01 -0500 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #147: Support Your Local Web Radio Station! Message-ID: <0JDQ002XAP8REIL0@...> Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. Now then, in addition to the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com, we've added features we know you'll like... Thursdays at 11:30am Eastern (and repeated at 9:00pm), Ferris O'Brien hops aboard the Altrok Radio signal to give you a taste of his approach to the world of alternativity. He's bringing you the overflow from his own SpyRadio showcase at Rock 100.5 The KATT in Oklahoma City, itself the lingering legacy of 105.3 The Spy, a legendary indie station in its own right that disappeared one night. No reason to quit just 'cause the station's gone, right? Then at 1:30pm Eastern Thursday (repeated at 11:00pm Eastern) you get to hear me showcase the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... And on Friday, it's Altrok's Eighties Friday: music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) 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But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. ------- This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - The Sunshine Underground - The Chiara L's - Jack Penate - Kristin Hersh - Bloc Party - Malcom Middleton Plus we've got newly-added music: - APB - Love By The Seasons (Kev Gunn Remix) - The Arcade Fire - Intervention - Bon Savants - I Am The Atom Bomb - Cold War Kids - Hospital Beds - Dinosaur Jr. - Been There All The Time - Good Shoes - The Photos On My Wall - New Young Pony Club - The Bomb - Shiny Toy Guns - You Are The One - Sloan - Who Taught You To Live Like That - The Video Nasties - I Wanna - The View - Same Jeans - Amy Winehouse - You Know I'm No Good - Patrick Wolf - Accident And Emergency - Xerox Teens - Onkawara - Zen Boy & Karma Girl - Yeah Yeah Our Newly-Added Classics: - Ben Folds Five - Underground - Buffalo Tom - Sodajerk - Buzzcocks - Everybody's Happy Nowadays - Elvis Costello - Getting Mighty Crowded - The Godfathers - Birth, School, Work, Death - Let's Active - Every Word Means No - Midnight Oil - Dreamworld - Nirvana - Sliver - R.E.M. - Sitting Still - The Teardrop Explodes - Passionate Friend ------- As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer right now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From dunelm@... Thu Feb 22 18:39:38 2007 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:39:38 -0000 Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: This is now listed on Amazon. A Peel Sessions: The Story of Teenage Dreams and One Man's Love of New Music (Paperback) The details are: Paperback: 320 pages Publisher: BBC Books (4 Oct 2007) ISBN-10: 1846072824 From mwheatley@... Thu Feb 22 19:34:15 2007 From: mwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:34:15 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070222183431.EEC81E000744@...> At 17:39 22/02/2007, you wrote: >This is now listed on Amazon. > >A Peel Sessions: The Story of Teenage Dreams and One Man's Love of New >Music (Paperback) > >The details are: > >Paperback: 320 pages >Publisher: BBC Books (4 Oct 2007) >ISBN-10: 1846072824 > > In Session Tonight has 320 pages From willowct@... Fri Feb 23 14:38:02 2007 From: willowct@... (Willow) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:38:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Ken Garner Message-ID: <343232.35275.qm@...> Also by Ken Garner and peelie himself is 'In session tonight' from 1993 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Session-Tonight-Ken-Garner/dp/0563364521/sr=1-1/qid=1172237772/ref=sr_1_1/203-6878785-6587952?ie=UTF8&s=books anyone read this? --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. From robfleay@... Fri Feb 23 17:02:30 2007 From: robfleay@... (RobF) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:02:30 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Ken Garner Message-ID: <20070223160231.MYPA219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@...> Just noticed here: http://www.myspace.com/theweddingpresentpeelsessions The Wedding Present are releasing a boxset of their Peel Sessions (to easily rival The Fall boxset I reckon) - and mentioned in relation to the liner notes: "The compilation and remastering has all been done under the supervision of David Gedge and the 6CDs will come in a special slip case, with a forty page book by Ken Garner who wrote In Session Tonight, a history of live pop and rock on BBC Radio and is currently writing The Complete Peel Sessions (Random House/BBC forthcoming). " So the new Ken Garner book is almost definitely NOT a straight reprint of the "In Session Tonight" tome.. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From willer@... Sat Feb 24 01:42:11 2007 From: willer@... (willer) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:42:11 +0100 Subject: Peel Sessions on dime References: <20070218234330.CDAE5E000350@...> Message-ID: <00e001c757ac$9f6cfd60$8801a8c0@willer> I've got a couple of Peel Sessions up over at dime: Edsel Auctioneer - 1989-01-24 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?returnto=%2Faccount-cp.php&id=135575 Edsel Auctioneer - 1993-11-04 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?returnto=%2Faccount-cp.php&id=135593 Willer. From dekoder1982@... Sun Feb 25 10:21:56 2007 From: dekoder1982@... (dekoder1982) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:21:56 -0000 Subject: Peel Sessions on dime In-Reply-To: <00e001c757ac$9f6cfd60$8801a8c0@willer> Message-ID: Thank you very much --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "willer" wrote: > > I've got a couple of Peel Sessions up over at dime: > > Edsel Auctioneer - 1989-01-24 > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?returnto=%2Faccount- cp.php&id=135575 > > Edsel Auctioneer - 1993-11-04 > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?returnto=%2Faccount- cp.php&id=135593 > > Willer. > From dekoder1982@... Sun Feb 25 10:31:51 2007 From: dekoder1982@... (dekoder1982) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:31:51 -0000 Subject: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Phil, i get the e mail answer that you are to involved in your radio shows so that there is not enough time left. On the other side you asked for computer id and i hoped i would get some old peel shows. My sitation is that i am frustated because in this yahoogroup was a user who wanted to sell peel shows on md. Your reaction was that you find this unfair and it was the first time i heard about your peel server. Anyway, i am now in the situation to get john peels shows by paying and just wanted help. To come to an end: I will once again write an e mail to your personal adress and hope to get the answer. If i get no reply i cant take your offers seriously. My english is not perfect, but we dont have a translation problem. Bye Jan --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Edwards" wrote: > > Apologies to List owner for using this group for answering Jan (Dekoder1982) > As for some strange reason my various e-mails do not seem to be getting > through to him. - I've sent him/her 2 or 3 replies so far to no avail (and > not blocked). > So he/she keeps having his/her moans at all and sundry on this group. > > So JAN > > 1) I am just an ordinary poster on this site. > 2) Occasionally I use this group to advertise the services of my Music > Server, which is mainly Peel orientated and also contains Marcelle's > "Another Nice Mess" shows. > Especially when there are current discussions on obtaining old Peel > shows. > 3) Finally, as I pointed out in the last of my e-mails which got through to > you, I am heavily involved with Dandelion Radio which takes up most of my > fee time of late and > do not have much time left for running the "Peel Server" and the > correspondence/maintenance which it entails. As, at Dandelion Radio, > although inspired by "The > Great Man" himself, we are constantly looking forward and searching for > new and exciting music and unsigned artists (we do play the odd "oldie" > however). > > So these 3 roles of mine are connected in 1 point only, they all have a John > Peel connection and that's where the connection ends. > I'd therefore be very grateful for all future e-mails concerning the server > are sent to my personal e-mail addresses :- > > festive50@... > phil@... > or > phil@... > > To reiterate > Bemoaning this group concerning my server is unfair on this group as there > is absolutely no connection. > Bemoaning Dandelion Radio for the non-reply to e-mails is also unfair as we > take great pride in replying to all our e-mails, whether they be :- > 1) From artists/record labels sending in demos. > 2) Aspiring DJs who wish to get started and possibly join our ranks, where > we decide who's the appropriate person to reply to the enquiry. > 3) Congratulatory, from listeners, who think we've "hit the spot" and come > some way to filling the void left by Peel's sad demise. > > There may have been a delay in replying recently because it's been rather > hectic here at Dandelion Radio Towers for the last couple of months, as > we've been rather busy with the Festive 50, Shifty Disco's 10th birthday > party and the Autons exclusive session and their gig at "The Cargo". > > Finally JAN, I'd suggest you get this e-mail translated by someone fluent in > English, as I believe my earlier e-mails may have lost the plot in their > translation. > Also, I'm resending my previous e-mail concerning server log in details as > soon as I post this. > > > > Regards > Phil Edwards > > P.S. Apologies, once again to Stuart (List owner). > > -----Original Message----- > From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of > dekoder1982 > Sent: 15 February 2007 16:33 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: Huw Stevens Just Namechecked Dandelion Radio > > > Dandelion is good. On the other side i am a bit unsatified that they > dont repeat e mails for old john peel shows. > They have the server but i ve you are new you have no chance. > First there was no answer. > Then they wanted my ID number etc. > Then again nothing happens > and so i wait and wait. > Sorry, dont understand this. We all like John Peel but i think > normally you can repeat to e mails. > Dandelion didn´t answer... > > Jan > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote: > > > > I think several people including Rob Da Bank have > > namechecked Dandelion lately. It's getting quite an > > underground rep :) > > > > It's also getting better each time. I can't claim to > > have listened to all of the eight hour streams in > > their entirety but my impression is that they are > > getting markedly better all the time. > > > > I think in time, and not all that much time, Dandelion > > is going to reach a moderately large audience. I just > > hope they have the server farms in place to cope. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email > address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ > nowyoucan.html > > > From neil@... Sun Feb 25 14:43:13 2007 From: neil@... (Neil Burling) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:43:13 -0000 Subject: Ken Garner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > i suspect it's way too early to know a page extent so they've just used the same as last time. > > Anyone with contacts at BBC Books, who have been taken over by Random House, that could find out more? From hubcity@... Tue Feb 27 14:02:00 2007 From: hubcity@... (hubcity@...) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:02:00 -0500 Subject: [OT] [Altrok] Update #148: Schedule, Plus New Music & Classic Tracks Message-ID: <0JE400KNRHNKCVZ0@...> Firstly, the important stuff: Altrok Radio is at http://www.altrokradio.com Please remember to tune in whenever you can - every hour you listen turns into more visibility for the station; we show up higher in search listings, and such like that. And if you'd like to help us keep the stream running, check out the advertisers if they appeal to you; your interest actually helps fund us. And when you do tune in, here's what you can expect: Saturday-Thursday: ------------------ When we're not doing something special...it turns out we're always doing something special. We're cycling through the outstanding Altrok Radio music mix that got us an Editor's Pick nod at Live365 and at About.com. It's what put us on the map in the first place, and we do it well. No need to hesitate - chances are we're playing something that'll challenge you in all the right ways, right now. Thursday Specials: ------------------ 11:30am Eastern: Ferris O'Brien Ferris O'Brien hops aboard the Altrok Radio signal to give you a taste of his approach to the world of alternativity. He's bringing you the overflow from his own SpyRadio showcase at Rock 100.5 The KATT in Oklahoma City, itself the lingering legacy of 105.3 The Spy, a legendary indie station in its own right that disappeared one night. No reason to quit just 'cause the station's gone, right? 1:30pm Eastern: The Altrok Radio FM Showcase Sean Carolan (often referred to editorially as "me" or, occasionally, "we") showcases the new music we've added this week on the Altrok Radio FM Showcase. New stuff, classic stuff, and Jeff Raspe with his Altrok Radio Underground Pick Of The Week... 9:30pm Eastern: Ferris O'Brien An encore for your listening convenience. 11:00pm Eastern: The Altrok Radio FM Showcase An additional encore for your listening convenience. Friday Specials: ---------------- All Day: Altrok's Eighties Friday Altrok's Eighties Friday features music from the eighties that mattered then AND now. An eight hour playlist that features some of the best that decade had to offer, drawing from all the music that was available at the time (yes, even from the seventies.) 11:30am Eastern: DJ Shred It's New York's own DJ Shred and her hand-picked set filled with classics from the darker and more challenging corners of the Eighties. You'll be able to join her in March as she creates her next Altrok set live: DJ Shred with Mister X and Dr. Lorenz present SMITHSMODE at Moomia Friday, March 23rd 10pm til late (free admission 'til 11pm) 157 Lafayette St., between Grand St. and Howard St. New York City www.moomiany.com 212-219-4006 9:00pm Eastern: DJ Shred If you didn't hear it in the middle of the day, it'll be new to you... Coming Soon: ------------ Altrok's melody:Culture (Hmm...what do you suppose it would sound like if we picked music today like we did for the Melody Bar in the late Eighties? Hmmmmm...) But for now - we've got songs to let you know about. This week, our Grinders (the stuff we play heavily) include music from: - Xerox Teens - The Apples In Stereo - The Broken West - The View - Good Shoes - New Young Pony Club Plus we've got newly-added music: - The Arcade Fire - Keep The Car Running - Blonde Redhead - 23 - Cold War Kids - Tell Me In The Morning - Jill Cuniff - Lazy Girls - Director - Reconnect - Feist - My Man My Moon - Foals - Hummer - Jigs Giglio - The Melody - Harrisons - Wishing Well - Letters & Colours - Where Cynics Prosper - Los Campesinos! - We Throw Parties, You Throw Knives - Maximo Park - Our Velocity - Noisettes - IWE - Tokyo Police Club - Cheer It On - Keller Williams - Play This Our Featured Classics: - Big Audio Dynamite - Medicine Show - The Church - When You Were Mine - House Of Love - Christine - The Jam - See-Saw - New Order - Sunrise - The Pixies - Alec Eiffel - Pop Will Eat Itself - Let's Get Ugly - The Ramones - Do You Wanna Dance - Siouxsie And The Banshees - Dear Prudence - The The - This Is The Day (Extended 12'' Mix) As always, thanks for listening! - Sean Carolan Altrok Radio On your computer now at http://www.altrokradio.com On the radio Fridays at 10pm, at 90.5 The Night From ken_garner@... Tue Feb 27 23:15:29 2007 From: ken_garner@... (ken_garner) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:15:29 -0000 Subject: not dead, am doing a book Message-ID: I had thought about joining this group but the news about the book I am working on getting out before the (imminent, I am assured) announcement, means I thought I should, that some of you might be interested, and, more to the point, I hope some of you might be able to help me in a modest way. To cut to the chase, yes, there is going to be a book by me in the shops in October, tied in with Peel Day 07, published by randomhouse/bbc books, called (notwithstanding what Amazon is saying) THE PEEL SESSIONS, subtitled 'a story of teenage dreams and one man's love of new music'. It will be at least 320pp, poss up to 360-380. The front half, in colour with pics, will be the story behind the show and sessions, essentially about two-thirds of the IN SESSION TONIGHT main text edited / reordered, plus a new intro and a new chapter on 92-04. The back half, in mono, will be the reference section, comprising (so the current plan goes) a full Sessionography as in IST but for 67-04 (approx 90pp we think); a night-by-night 67- 04 calendar of all Peel shows, day by day - not the full scripts! - with main items in each show listed briefly (eg, and here's a sneaky peak: "M 9/6/80 The 2-Tone Special: (The Beat, Madness, The Selecter, The Specials, The Bodysnatchers)" (brackets = session repeats) (about 40pp); the Festive 50s, and (I hope) the Peelenium (about 20pp). I was not remotely thinking of doing such a book when randomhouse tracked me down and phoned out of the blue shortly before Christmas last year; but they were so up for it (the publisher was a Peel listener himself) they sucked me in, and once I started thinking about it being done, I realised I wanted to do it, and do it properly. When I recently contacted Alison Howe, Peel's producer in the mid 90s (and now producer of Later with Jools Holland), her response was "And about time too!" which I chose to take as an endorsement, but I know what she means. If this isn't documented soon, it'll be too late and too much data will be lost and forgotten. Still, it's a scary deadline getting it all done in 6 months, when I am not exactly idle in my day job running our accredited journalism degrees at Caledonian university here in Glasgow. And here is where some of you might come in. Indeed, at least one other member has already helped me quite a bit! The first thing to do is finalise that show by show index, so me and my researcher know what we're looking for in the various data and tape archival sources in the BBC, and crucially, that we are not missing anything (in a later post I might have to 'fess up to you all about the 6 Peel sessions at least that I now know I missed in IST). With help from others and pulling many sources together, that calendar is now more than 94% complete for all 37 years, all approx. 6000 shows. But, and here it comes, even after putting in every known session date and repeat date, every concert, every special, every night off, Peel's (few) holidays and breaks (I spent several days in January reading the Mitchell library in Glasgow's complete run of Radio Times), I am still currently looking at almost 400 shows for which I either know nothing, or for which I have good reason to suspect the data I do have may be incomplete (eg only one session listed for a show in 82, when there was almost always two per show then). Long chats with Peel's last producer Louise Kattenhorn, and some rather comically-unsuccessful data retrieval experiments with the aged Radio 1 Romeo computer system, have confirmed my fears that the data I need only now truly exists in the microfilmed programme scripts or PasBs at BBC Written Archives, Caversham. I will have to go there, of course, but this time around time is of the essence (with IST I had 20 months!), and I want to try everything I can to minimise the hours, days, weeks required in front of the film reader. I wonder if any of you have diaries, tapes, etc, from late 1978 through to about 1987? These remain the tricky years, partly because Peel was simply on air so much, 4 shows a week til late 84. Just as I do not have access to BBC tapes to bootleg for you (honest, I don't, and couldn't), I don't need to hear your cassettes or MP3s. What I need is data, confirmation of what happened on what date, according to your own memories / tapes / diaries. The deal is simple: everyone who helps me confirm a single fact of which I was previously unaware for the book gets an acknowledgement in it, although I hope those pages in the book won't turn into the several miles of credits for the fans at the end of the Lord of the rings extended DVDs. I'll put up in the files section here my list of blank dates, and would be enormously grateful for anything anyone can tell me about any of them: bands in session; no show that night; title of a session track or two played even better; a records-only show, whatever. Obviously I have all my original data from IST, I want the evidence of your own ears instead. Sorry this has been such a long post, but I'm kinda hoping you won't mind. I'll be more concise next time, and aplogies if the above offends any net etiquette, with all of which I am hopelessly unfamiliar, ken garner From rockerq@... Wed Feb 28 00:04:43 2007 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:04:43 EST Subject: [peel] not dead, am doing a book Message-ID: > < mind. I'll be more concise next time, and aplogies if the above > offends any net etiquette, with all of which I am hopelessly > unfamiliar,>> > Great News! I'm sure I join just about everyone on this list in saying YES! That is just the reference tome we need! Please feel free to offend us all you like! Cheers! Rocker rockerq@... www.dandelionradio.com From festive50@... Wed Feb 28 00:27:57 2007 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:27:57 -0000 Subject: [peel] not dead, am doing a book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: E-mailed you off list Ken. Offering services of my database and server for your keenly awaited tome. Phil www.dandelionradio.com -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rockerq@... Sent: 27 February 2007 23:05 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] not dead, am doing a book <> Great News! I'm sure I join just about everyone on this list in saying YES! That is just the reference tome we need! Please feel free to offend us all you like! Cheers! Rocker rockerq@... www.dandelionradio.com From saipanda@... Wed Feb 28 12:52:35 2007 From: saipanda@... (saipanda) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:52:35 -0000 Subject: not dead, am doing a book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@... wrote: > > > < > mind. I'll be more concise next time, and aplogies if the above > > offends any net etiquette, with all of which I am hopelessly > > unfamiliar,>> > > > Great News! I'm sure I join just about everyone on this list in saying YES! > That is just the reference tome we need! Please feel free to offend us all you > like! > Wow, great, can't wait for the book. Would love to help if possible. From dunelm@... Wed Feb 28 21:21:04 2007 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:21:04 -0000 Subject: not dead, am doing a book Message-ID: Hi, Ken. The new book sounds great, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's really looking forward to it. Just one or two suggestions . . . 1. The 29/08/77 show was a punk special wherein Peel played his favourite punk records of the year to date. If the PasB sheet is available to you, it would be nice to see the full running order, as it represents an informative snap shot of where the show was at that time. 2. In December 1977 Peel broadcast what I think was the only Festive Fifty to be selected by himself personally rather than by his listeners. The top 13 is on the Rock List website and has been reproduced in a couple of biographies published since his death. Again, if the PasB sheets are available, perhaps you could work backwards from the top 13 to give us the 1977 Festive Fifty in full for the first time! 3. To help publicise your book – and to celebrate Peel Day '07 – BBC4 could rebroadcast the Arena special "TODAY CARSHALTON BEECHES...TOMORROW CROYDON" from 1980/81. It would provide the perfect televisual accompaniment to your book – perhaps you could persuade your contacts at the Beeb! Anyway, good luck in all your endeavours.