From janb@... Sat Jan 1 01:07:24 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:24 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 References: <1104489110.328.25461.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00d301c4ef95$deedaba0$2e90220a@...> On Friday, December 31, 2004 8:17 PM [GMT+1=CET], Stuart McHugh wrote: >> << OK so how many artists have previously appeared in a single >> festive 50 in more than one guise? (Not counting all time Festive >> 50s, of course).>> >> >> How about Mark E Smith - both with The Fall and with Inspiral Carpets > > and with Long Fin Killie! And that other one... > There must be others - maybe Liz Frazer (Cocteaus/This Mortal Coil)? > or Chumbawamba & Credit To The Nation separately and together? > Stereolab with/without Tortoise or Nurse With Wound? And I think > Gruff from the Superfurries was on a Mogwai track that made the chart. > ok, I decided to cheat (ah, MES with DOSE) and spotted Elvis > Costello/The Imposter. > Any others? Not that I could see! MES with Elastica, no 6 in 1999. Surrounded by the Fall (nos 4 and 7). -- Jan From rockerq@... Sat Jan 1 13:04:07 2005 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:04:07 EST Subject: [peel] FF04 Real Player Direct Links Message-ID: << I've always used the following http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabanktue.rpm http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankwed.rpm http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankthu.rpm Is there any difference. Phil > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/r1dabanktue.ra > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/r1dabankwed.ra > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/r1dabankthu.ra>> The http links open the BBC version of the Real Player - this only allows you to play and pause the stream. The rstp links allow you to use your own Real Player to listen to the stream - which means you can also start playback from any point in the programme, repeat sections etc - very useful if you only missed the last half hour of a show. The rstp links should also work better for Streamrippers to download the file of the show at your connection speed thus tying up your computer for less time if you have a fast broadband connection, and giving you the best quality file (though still fairly poor!) - I still haven't worked out how to do this on my old Mac running system 9 - anyone any ideas? Cheers! Rocker From moomin@... Sat Jan 1 17:30:59 2005 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:30:59 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - 2004 In-Reply-To: <00c001c4ef86$62f0a250$2e90220a@...> References: <41CDE876.9090101@...> <41D2C029.000001.05033@T3O2M9> <000d01c4ee08$a2b2ea80$29d02cd9@Andrew> <18520.195.188.213.34.1104441942.squirrel@195.188.213.34> <010501c4eeb7$4ada41a0$2e90220a@...> <25461.195.188.213.34.1104520422.squirrel@195.188.213.34> <00c001c4ef86$62f0a250$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: In message <00c001c4ef86$62f0a250$2e90220a@...>, Jan Buxton writes >Well much as I really liked some of the things Peel brought to us >(Hefner, B+S, HMHB, that Caroline Martin record in the FF etc etc), I >also felt he played a lot of completely unlistenable rubbish. I've heard that said a million times about the Peel show and normally I think I know what people mean - Melt Banana or the Swans for example. However I'm not sure what was 'unlistenable rubbish' in this year's festive fifty - it seemed generally pretty melodious and conventional to me, apart from the Magic Band I suppose. -- simon smith From janb@... Sat Jan 1 17:58:14 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:58:14 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - 2004 References: <41CDE876.9090101@...> <41D2C029.000001.05033@T3O2M9> <000d01c4ee08$a2b2ea80$29d02cd9@Andrew> <18520.195.188.213.34.1104441942.squirrel@195.188.213.34> <010501c4eeb7$4ada41a0$2e90220a@...> <25461.195.188.213.34.1104520422.squirrel@195.188.213.34> <00c001c4ef86$62f0a250$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: <005c01c4f023$1548f140$2e90220a@...> On Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:30 PM [GMT+1=CET], simon smith wrote: > In message <00c001c4ef86$62f0a250$2e90220a@...>, Jan Buxton > writes >> Well much as I really liked some of the things Peel brought to us >> (Hefner, B+S, HMHB, that Caroline Martin record in the FF etc etc), I >> also felt he played a lot of completely unlistenable rubbish. > > I've heard that said a million times about the Peel show and normally > I think I know what people mean - Melt Banana or the Swans for > example. However I'm not sure what was 'unlistenable rubbish' in this > year's festive fifty - it seemed generally pretty melodious and > conventional to me, apart from the Magic Band I suppose. There wasn't any unlistenable rubbish in the FF IMO either. The above comment was meant to refer to the general Peel show. What I would say about this years FF is that there was a lot of unremarkable, listen once and forget it, mediocre music by bands frankly lucky that Peel existed (the Magic Band one of the exceptions). I've heard more interesting records on daytime (Nightbreed - Pack Of Wolves for instance). -- Jan From newswire@... Sun Jan 2 00:14:16 2005 From: newswire@... (Mark) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:14:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [peel] January's schedule References: <000d01c4ee08$a2b2ea80$29d02cd9@Andrew> Message-ID: <41D72EC8.000001.46131@T3O2M9> Thanks for answering my cynical curiosity Andrew and I'm glad I was wrong :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robfleay@... Sun Jan 2 18:41:53 2005 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:41:53 -0000 Subject: [peel] FF04 Real Player Direct Links In-Reply-To: <29420.195.188.213.34.1104528918.squirrel@195.188.213.34> References: Message-ID: <41D83261.20859.B8D150F@localhost> > I've always used the following > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabanktue.rpm > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankwed.rpm > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankthu.rpm > Is there any difference. hmmm - good question..what's an "rpm" file and why is it different to an "ra" file? I used the following (cos URLSnooper told me to!) rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabanktue.ra rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabankwed.ra rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabankthu.ra Downloaded them with NetTransport and then converted to mp3 If anyone wants them - look up Steve Dresden on Soulseek... From robfleay@... Sun Jan 2 18:45:42 2005 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:45:42 -0000 Subject: [peel] FF04 Real Player Direct Links In-Reply-To: <41D83261.20859.B8D150F@localhost> References: <29420.195.188.213.34.1104528918.squirrel@195.188.213.34> Message-ID: <41D83346.25989.B9092CC@localhost> > Downloaded them with NetTransport and then converted to mp3 > If anyone wants them - look up Steve Dresden on Soulseek... Um - that's stevedresden - all one word! There is also quite a bit of 80's 90's peel type stuff there too - i can heartily recommend SoulSeek for those that want to try and get some of their old vinyl on mp3 without the hassle of ripping it yourself... From festive50@... Sun Jan 2 19:16:55 2005 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:16:55 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] FF04 Real Player Direct Links In-Reply-To: <41D83261.20859.B8D150F@localhost> References: <41D83261.20859.B8D150F@localhost> Message-ID: <6408.195.188.213.35.1104689815.squirrel@195.188.213.35> Actually, in the early days of streaming, the actual link in properties worked in Streambox. This changed after about a week and then settled down to rmv8 link which stopped working so I did without for a considerable amount of time until June last year and discovered bbc.co.uk links which didn't work for me in streambox but worked in NetTransport. ?????????? Incidentally does everyones download truncate the Wedding Present track? Phil > >> I've always used the following >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabanktue.rpm >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankwed.rpm >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/r1dabankthu.rpm >> Is there any difference. > > hmmm - good question..what's an "rpm" file and why is it different to an > "ra" file? > I used the following (cos URLSnooper told me to!) > > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabanktue.ra > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabankwed.ra > rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk:554/radio1/r1dabankthu.ra > > Downloaded them with NetTransport and then converted to mp3 > If anyone wants them - look up Steve Dresden on Soulseek... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > From stuart@... Mon Jan 3 09:02:36 2005 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:02:36 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 - 2004 In-Reply-To: <1104662742.303.72131.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1104662742.303.72131.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > What I would say >about this years FF is that there was a lot of unremarkable, listen once >and forget it, mediocre music by bands frankly lucky that Peel existed >(the Magic Band one of the exceptions). I've heard more interesting >records on daytime (Nightbreed - Pack Of Wolves for instance). > hey, wouldn't it be a dull old world etc? I thought this year's F was the best in maybe the last 5 - I'd been getting sick of the likes of Von Bondies/Black Keys/Matchbox B-list Atrocity showing up all the time. Also pleased to see a fair load of Scottish acts in the chart! Stuart www.jockrock.org -- From markbursa@... Tue Jan 4 01:00:45 2005 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:00:45 EST Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 Message-ID: <13c.9d60d0e.2f0b36ad@...> maybe Liz Frazer (Cocteaus/This Mortal Coil)? Also with Felt (Primitive Painters - F50 top 10 some time in the 80s IIRC) Mark From dj_oldwood@... Tue Jan 4 10:54:09 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:54:09 -0000 Subject: January's schedule In-Reply-To: <41CDE876.9090101@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Dave Chapman wrote: > Looks like it is goodbye to Rob - "One World" is listed as being on from > 11pm-1am Tuesday-Thursday. How depressingly predictable this all is. No new programmes, just shuffling round the old ones to fill in the slot where John once was. All we're left with is one dimensional programmes with 2 hours of the same music and One World mixes which every five minutes have to punctuated with jingles in case those with short term memory problems have forgotten what station they were listening to. I suppose we always knew this day would come but it's still an empty feeling now it has dawned. From robfleay@... Tue Jan 4 11:53:42 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:53:42 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: January's schedule Message-ID: <20050104105734.XFQO11644.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.68]> > I suppose we always knew this day would come but it's > still an empty feeling now it has dawned. RDB mentioned during the F50 that Hermeet was going to the Groningen Festival to do some special programs in the new year, whoch I'm sure will be "Peel-like" in content.. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From Phyll@... Tue Jan 4 12:41:55 2005 From: Phyll@... (Phyll Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:41:55 -0000 Subject: [peel] Peel books References: <1104052795.343.69786.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <009701c4f252$6564a030$ae36883e@HAL9000> The Heatly biography seems to be a bit of a workhorse job, only read the childhood bits so far but it seems to be three or four interviews strung together with some bodgy bits of reasearch and the guy writes in the most awfully bland way. He hasn't checked a lot of his background facts (when did rationing end?) and lines like "As any Harry Potter reader knows public schools are run along the 'house' system". A lot of nice quotes from Peel though. And it's padded out with testimonies from celebs and a list of fetsive fifties. Both the books are available discounted in the cheap sell through stores, i picked this on up for �6.99 and the Works have the Mick Wall one for �9. From robfleay@... Tue Jan 4 13:10:11 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:10:11 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel books Message-ID: <20050104120914.UDOP13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.63]> > The Heatly biography seems to be a bit of a workhorse job Agreed! My favourite bit is the picture that illustrates JP's enduring love of Liverpool FC by picturing him in a Derby County kit! But that's just cos I'm a massive Derby County fan!! ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From janb@... Tue Jan 4 14:54:20 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:54:20 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: January's schedule References: Message-ID: <006301c4f264$e41c5550$2e90220a@...> On Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:54 AM [GMT+1=CET], dj_oldwood wrote: > of the same music and One World mixes which every five minutes have > to punctuated with jingles in case those with short term memory > problems have forgotten what station they were listening to. I thought that would be for home taping reasons. -- Jan From marine_b0y2000@... Tue Jan 4 15:42:18 2005 From: marine_b0y2000@... (marine_b0y2000) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:42:18 -0000 Subject: Keeping It Peel - recordings Message-ID: Hi all Didn't get to listen to all of the 'Keeping it Peel' night, did anyone record parts 2 and 3 . . . can swap with mp3 of part 1 (Documentary) and Peel tribute evening a few weeks previous with Steve Lamacq. (purely for personal use only!) thanks Richard From dj_oldwood@... Tue Jan 4 18:28:19 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:28:19 -0000 Subject: January's schedule In-Reply-To: <006301c4f264$e41c5550$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Buxton" wrote: > On Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:54 AM [GMT+1=CET], > dj_oldwood wrote: > > > of the same music and One World mixes which every five minutes have > > to punctuated with jingles in case those with short term memory > > problems have forgotten what station they were listening to. > > I thought that would be for home taping reasons. > > -- > Jan If that was the case then why did these annoying jingles never occur during the many DJ mixes broadcast on John's show? Maybe because he refused to play them of course which I am sure he would have done if forced!! Steve From bill.spiby@... Tue Jan 4 21:43:20 2005 From: bill.spiby@... (spib2003) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:43:20 -0000 Subject: Peel's replacement Message-ID: Here is a reply to a couple of questions I recently e-mailed to the BBC (the second is not Peel related). "The answer to both your questions is 'yes'. We're going to continue with a spot which features eclectic music, and many signed and semi-signed bands. We're also very pleased that OneMusic will be integral to the development of the new spot. It's never going to replace John - no-one could - but we hope at least to continue to bring music from the fringes of good taste and style to the public." Bill Spiby From robfleay@... Tue Jan 4 22:42:47 2005 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:42:47 -0000 Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41DB0DD7.20272.307D70D@localhost> > It's never going to replace John - no-one could - but > we hope at least to continue to bring music from the fringes > of good taste So no Carcass albums then? On an unrelated note - does anyone remember a band that John Peel used to play back in the late 80's early 90's called Morefiends or More Fiends? I've been searching for their stuff on Soulseek and found nothing - even Lord Google throws up precious little... From rockerq@... Wed Jan 5 00:10:00 2005 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:10:00 EST Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement Message-ID: <104.57d853df.2f0c7c48@...> So this seems to be a repeat of the Curt Cobain / Bill Hicks cutup show from a year or two ago. Great stuff from the fringes of good taste it may be, (if any of you haven't heard it I recommend you tape it), but it's hardly the new and eclectic music that we crave three times a week! Rocker From iangwilson@... Wed Jan 5 00:15:40 2005 From: iangwilson@... (Ian Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:15:40 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement In-Reply-To: <104.57d853df.2f0c7c48@...> References: <104.57d853df.2f0c7c48@...> Message-ID: <7b3563a05010415151509b9db@...> Tomorrow I think it is the Rough Trade story. I'm sure it will make good listening, but once again, not likely to unearth new talent. Ian. On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:10:00 EST, rockerq@... wrote: > So this seems to be a repeat of the Curt Cobain / Bill Hicks cutup show from > a year or two ago. Great stuff from the fringes of good taste it may be, (if > any of you haven't heard it I recommend you tape it), but it's hardly the > new > and eclectic music that we crave three times a week! > > Rocker > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From blairbear@... Wed Jan 5 00:25:40 2005 From: blairbear@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:25:40 -0000 Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement In-Reply-To: <41DB0DD7.20272.307D70D@localhost> Message-ID: <000801c4f2b4$b5359800$4e679fd4@home2uz9c54pbo> Friends Again maybe that evolved into Love and Money and The Bathers. Cheers Davie -----Original Message----- From: Robf [mailto:robfleay@...] Sent: 04 January 2005 21:43 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Peel's replacement > It's never going to replace John - no-one could - but > we hope at least to continue to bring music from the fringes > of good taste So no Carcass albums then? On an unrelated note - does anyone remember a band that John Peel used to play back in the late 80's early 90's called Morefiends or More Fiends? I've been searching for their stuff on Soulseek and found nothing - even Lord Google throws up precious little... Yahoo! Groups Links -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From markbursa@... Wed Jan 5 00:42:07 2005 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:42:07 EST Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement Message-ID: <1a0.2d5512e2.2f0c83cf@...> >>On an unrelated note - does anyone remember a band that John Peel used to play back in the late 80's early 90's called Morefiends or More Fiends? I've been searching for their stuff on Soulseek and found nothing - even Lord Google throws up precious little...<< You're not thinking of Morphine by any chance are you? Strange line-up - just slide bass, sax, jazzy drums, gravelly vocals. Smoky, noir sound. Sad story actually - the singer died of a heart attack on stage. Mark From rockerq@... Wed Jan 5 00:56:41 2005 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:56:41 EST Subject: [peel] More Fiends Message-ID: <89.1d8e62f2.2f0c8739@...> << the singer died of a heart attack on stage. >> Could this have anything to do with the obvious drug reference in their name? Rocker From markbursa@... Wed Jan 5 01:25:15 2005 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:15 EST Subject: [peel] More Fiends Message-ID: <1d1.2d7d657c.2f0c8deb@...> >>Could this have anything to do with the obvious drug reference in their name?<< Not especially so, though I don't doubt that Mark Sandman had lived the rock'n'roll life during his 47 years. Interesting and original band. You should check them out. Mark From dbarrell@... Wed Jan 5 10:24:39 2005 From: dbarrell@... (Daniel Barrell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:24:39 +0000 Subject: Me Against Them session In-Reply-To: <1d1.2d7d657c.2f0c8deb@...> References: <1d1.2d7d657c.2f0c8deb@...> Message-ID: <41DBB257.7060603@...> Has anyone got the show from the Thursday before Christmas 23/12 - Me Against Them in session? Cheers Dan From robfleay@... Wed Jan 5 10:43:29 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 9:43:29 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel's replacement Message-ID: <20050105094216.RKUB13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.62]> > You're not thinking of Morphine by any chance are you? No - definitely not - I know the band Morphine, had a couple of their albums at one point. More Fiends is a different band altogether - Mr Wheatley has kindly pointed me in the direction of their Peel Session...whoo! ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From marine_b0y2000@... Wed Jan 5 15:53:35 2005 From: marine_b0y2000@... (marine_b0y2000) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:53:35 -0000 Subject: Keeping It Peel - recordings - found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the emails of help. Tracked down some got quality torrents on: http://www.gollach.co.uk/hello/bt/ cheers Richard --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "marine_b0y2000" wrote: > > Hi all > Didn't get to listen to all of the 'Keeping it Peel' night, did anyone > record parts 2 and 3 . . . can swap with mp3 of part 1 (Documentary) > and Peel tribute evening a few weeks previous with Steve Lamacq. > (purely for personal use only!) > thanks > Richard From bill.spiby@... Wed Jan 5 20:24:29 2005 From: bill.spiby@... (spib2003) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:24:29 -0000 Subject: Peel Slot Message-ID: Here's the latest from BBCi regarding JPs replacement "January 2005: This month the Peel slot will be re-broadcasting some of the best Oneworld shows. Check the Oneworld site for more information. There will be an announcement later this month regarding a permanent replacement for the 11-1am slot. Still Keeping It Peel... " Bill Spiby From troche@... Fri Jan 7 04:47:27 2005 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:47:27 -0500 Subject: Tom De-Lurks In-Reply-To: <1105011416.246.17771.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1105011416.246.17771.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Hello from over the pondŠ Yeh... I haven't posted in awhile. December was a really busy month. Even Phil Edwards (who graciously put me up when I traveled to Bury St Edmunds) claims I've been ignoring him, even though I sent a postcard from LA, and then a note later from Atlanta. Some people would pay handsomely to have me ignore them, but Phil rides for free, LOL. Anyway, I am late with this but the article I wrote about Peel for a southeastern US music magazine was published a few weeks ago. In the next e-mail I will post the entire story. It is a lot of tales you've heard told before of courseŠ but it was written for a USA audience so I have to go into occasional explanations of obvious stuff, how the BBC works etc. A lot of friends here tell me they had no idea Peel had lived in the USA for a time, began in radio here. I've written a few other articles over the years but this was the first time I got the cover story. See wot the cover looks like the at http://www.stompandstammer.com . In fact the whole story is there on the site but only for a few more days. It has a typo or two they never fixed, so read the version I'll post here. Stomp And Stammer is a freebie mag, and I have a few dozen copies, so if anyone really wants to have and hold a copyŠ well I don't know just how I'd work that outŠ. Costs me about $2.50, a pound and a half, to mail you one. Write me offlist and maybe we can trade somethingŠ a home burned HMHB disc maybe ha ha. So. A new year. No Peel. Sucks. Tom in Atlanta From troche@... Fri Jan 7 04:50:37 2005 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:50:37 -0500 Subject: Article About Peel's Life and Death That Tom Wrote Message-ID: There is A Light That Never Goes Out By Tom Roche And so we begin at the end. John Peel, the legendary broadcaster, master communicator, perpetual adolescent, and champion of three generations of unsigned bands, died at 65 on October 25, 2004. He did what would turn out to be his last Radio 1 show on October 14, featuring the usual fascinating genre collision of the up-to-date and vintage, the obscure and the memorable, all in the same way he had presented this unique parade continually since 1967. Peel's playlist that Thursday would, as usual, send a Clear Channel programmer into an apoplectic fit: Techno-chill from DJ Preach, full-throttle rock from the Detroit Cobras, and yet another fresh new Peel Session. The exclusive session guests this time, joining hundreds of others over the decades, was the unsigned grindcore band Trencher (with their jolting new songs "I Lost All My Hair in a Skiing Accident" and "Trapped Under a Train Alive.") Trencher, a band so new and obscure that a websearch returns nothing, was soon followed by an actual Conway Twitty 78. John also dug out regular favorite Jimmy Reed, and the Fall's "Powder Keg." His last track was by the amazing electro-innovators Klute, called "Time 4 Change" from their new LP No One's Listening Anymore on, tellingly, the Commercial Suicide label. Although he sounded as lively and as happy as ever on air, by some accounts he was overworked and made weary by a schedule that would burden a person half his age. While programming and presenting three two-hour BBC Radio 1 shows weekly, plus a weekly spoken-word hour on Radio 4, a weekly music show on World Service, and shows for small European networks, he somehow kept track of the hundreds of new demos arriving every month from unsigned bands. Not to mention his role as a busy and devoted father of four. And, lastly, he was in receipt of a £1.5 million advance to write his definitive autobiography, a task he could barely find time to begin. So John, along with Sheila, his wife of 30 years, set out on a three-week vacation to Peru as a much-needed break. A few days later, John phoned the BBC from Peru to tell his young producers all was fine, and could someone go on the internet and look up where the best record stores are in Lima? Later that week he journeyed to the town of Cuzco, Peru, high in the Andean Mountains. After an uneventful day, John was preparing for dinner when he suffered a massive heart attack. The attending physician, Dr.Alcides Vargas, told Peruvian Radio, "Mr. Peel was lying on the floor in the (hotel) lobby, and his wife Sheila was crying uncontrollably. There was complete hysteria. We had medical equipment like defibrillators and a ventilator. But there were no vital signs." Dr. Vargas said the thin air of Cuzco, some 11,000 feet above sea level, almost certainly triggered John's fatal attack. (Peel had been diagnosed as diabetic in 2001, a condition that can quietly elevate heart risks.) Back in Britain, the outpouring was immediate and overwhelming: Over 5,000 messages of condolences to the BBC web site within three hours, and 30,000 tributes from all over the world were sent by the end of the week. Radio 1 scrapped all regular programming for the day. Reggae and techno-dance websites paid tribute. Alt-country and doom-metal websites paid tribute. And the next issue of NME featured a simple black and white close-up, over the text: "John Peel 1939-2004. HERO. LEGEND. GOOD BLOKE." It was a sudden, tragic end to a fascinating life story, full of both ambition and the lack of it, strange detours, and simple twists of fate. LIVERPOOL ROOTS John Robert Parker Ravenscroft, (his real name) was born near Liverpool England Aug 30, 1939, the son of a well-off textile broker. In his early school years, Peel was, admittedly, quite unmotivated, as evidenced by a note attached to his report card one day. He once recalled, "At my primary school (and bear in mind that my name is John) the headmistress wrote, 'Robin has failed to make much impression this term.'" Later, "People said to me (at high school), 'If you don't work hard you won't go to university.' I assumed university would just be an extension of public school, and, at the time, it would have been. So I thought: thank you for telling me that. So I didn't work and didn't go." "You had so little control over your life" in that regimented British upbringing he said. "Maybe failure was the only instrument of control you had." It wasn't even the 1960s yet and Peel was already dropping out. He sought out non-BBC radio fare such as American Forces Radio from Europe. "The first time I heard Little Richard on AFR, I was actually frightened by it -- you could not believe such an intense and simple noise could be coming out of your radio. It was like Saul on the road to Damascus, a life-changing experience." One schoolmate at the time was Michael Palin, who would eventually be a co-founder of Monty Python's Flying Circus. Says Palin, "I remember him lying on his back in his study, listening to, I guess it was, skiffle. Even then he introduced us to music he'd never heard. Even then he was a rebel, an independent voice." >From 1957 to 1959 he was drafted into the Army as a radar operator in the Royal Artillery. He noted later, "The Army said afterwards, 'At no time has he shown any sign of adapting to the military way of life.' I took it as a compliment." DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS Peel's father had business contacts in Texas, and offered to send Peel there in 1960, where the contacts treated him as cheap labor. He then took a brief stint selling door-to-door insurance, and around this time, incredibly, he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963, the day John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Out of curiosity, he went to the Dallas police station and bluffed his way into Lee Harvey Oswald's arraignment hearing, claiming in a heavy accent that he was a reporter for The Liverpool Echo. "I then went and made what I'd said retrospectively true and phoned The Liverpool Echo to give them the story. But they didn't care. I was a bit wounded by that." Old newsreel film of the event shows Jack Ruby to have been in the room also, and Peel standing off in a corner. Peel remembers, "In a documentary they showed on British television, the camera pans across the room to show Ruby, and, in the last few frames, me and my friend Bob are standing there looking like tourists." Peel's only respite from the insurance racket was the Dallas Top 40 AM stations. When the Beatles invasion hit, one DJ - WRR's Russ "Weird Beard" Knight -- began cluelessly talking up England and Liverpool, Peel found it to be "complete nonsense. I phoned him up, and he put me on the air as 'Our Man From Liverpool.'" After few weeks of on-air call-ins Peel was offered a weekend job. His first full-time radio gig was at KOMA in Oklahoma City in 1965. "Americans thought Europe was the size of a village, so they assumed anyone from Liverpool was a close personal friend of Ringo." THE WARM CALIFORNIA SUN Peel moved to San Bernadino, an hour outside of L.A. in 1966, landing a gig at tiny KMEN-AM. The winds of change sweeping the Southern California music scene were having an effect on regimented Top 40 radio formats. The Doors, Frank Zappa, Love, and Quicksilver were abandoning the three-minute hit single format for extended innovations, but would radio "play" along? Around this time, a younger-than-she-looked music fan became a groupie of some of KMEN's eclectic DJs, offering various services... services Peel has declined to name. Unbeknownst to all, in a plot twist straight out of Riot On Sunset Strip, she was also the daughter of the San Bernadino sheriff. Said sheriff, like practically all holding that office in 1966, policed on an anti-hippie, clean-up-the-town platform. In short order, he swore out arrest warrants for all the stations DJs. Peel felt he could have exonerated himself, but with a furious sheriff on his back, and with his travel visa long overstayed, he elected not to fight city hall. He left town within hours, eventually crossed into Canada as John Robert Parker, and returned to England. PIRATE AT SEA Back in his homeland, Peel longed for the free sounds he'd heard in California, but he found BBC radio to be totally, banally, out of touch. In another odd twist of fate, a neighbor in London knew someone who worked on the pirate radio ship Radio London. Along with pirate Radio Caroline and others, RL was illegally broadcasting a steady stream of pop and psychedelic music from a ship anchored five miles off the UK coast. He was hired to do Top 40 during the day, but also volunteered to pull the midnight-to-three shift, developing the unique programming style that would last nearly four decades. "When I realized none of the management was listening at night, I did away with the format and played what I wanted, even read listeners' poetry -- hippie stuff I would find amazingly embarrassing if I heard it now." But the pirate era was ending. The British government whipped up draconian new laws granting them the power to board ships in international waters and confiscate gear and record collections in the name of national security. Peel's pirate stint lasted only five months. The BBC had seen their youth audience near-totally absorbed by the pirates and the Euro mega-power Radio Luxembourg, so reluctantly, the BBC created all-pop Radio 1 in 1967 (signing-on with The Move's "Flowers In The Rain.") Even more reluctantly, the BBC was forced to turn to former pirate DJs to try to shore up some semblance of credibility. Among the first group of DJs hired, Peel would outlast them all, playing music on BBC Radio 1 from 1967 to October 2004. THE SHOCK OF THE NEW When punk arrived, Peel carried the torch for this amazing new wave of audacity and amateurism, finding it to be "a welcome breath of foul air. When I first played the Ramones, I got nasty letters from people wanting me to play the Grateful Dead for the rest of their lives. The average age of the audience in those four months dropped from 25 to 15." Peel's longtime producer John Waters once said, "When we were listening to new bands, it was like John had a divining rod... as if he'd walk out into the middle of a huge field and say, 'It's here.'" In 1977, Peel was almost fired for playing the Sex Pistols on the BBC; yet in 1997, Peel's BBC show was pre-empted for a long-form Sex Pistols radio tribute special. He was first to play a number of historic albums in their entirety, from Sgt. Pepper's to Trout Mask Replica to Tubular Bells to Meat Is Murder. Genres we are now all familiar with, from punk to gangsta, from grunge to jungle, from glitch to grime, he played first before these genres even had a name. LOOKING BACK, AND FORWARD I first wrote Peel nearly 20 years ago to just say thanks for the weekly BBC show he did on shortwave (received with barely passable reception in Atlanta.) I mentioned that some band he'd played doing a noisy Paul Simon cover was nothing new to Atlantans, home of the memorable all-Paul-Simon-punk-cover-band The Coolies. I didn't expect a response, but he wrote back promptly. Apparently he didn't get much international mail at all for his World Service shows other than "play-more-Hall-and-Oates" requests. So in the rare instance someone wrote to say they "got it," he took note. In his reply he said I should "tell (Atlanta record label entrepreneur) Danny Beard I played that Coolies record a lot." He also asked to ship him any Atlanta and regional records he might enjoy. I sent off the 688 Records compilation, (and he latched on to Dash Rip Rock briefly) and many other records over time. Once, he replied to a comment I'd made about a great weird reggae record he'd played ("Border Clash" by Ninjaman) by surprisingly sending me a copy of the record he bought himself. This correspondence went on for years, and we'd meet for a pint whenever I'd visit London. (His current BBC producer said recently that John still spent upwards of £200 a month of his own money in London record shops purchasing records for his shows.) I was invited to his house in the English countryside, where I last saw him in 2001. It was a normal Saturday at "Peel Acres," and he was preparing for yet another week of shows. Sacks and stacks of incoming CD's and LPs were sorted, and, stopwatch in hand, auditioned. (He never trusted the song durations printed on the disc.) He seemed to spend every waking hour auditioning records, finding favor with perhaps 30% and discarding the rest. Slowly, a 2-hour playlist took shape. I had always assumed these shows just rolled out before me for everyone's enjoyment as if by effortless magic. Now I knew better. By the end of that week, six more hours of blank run sheets stared back at him and it was time to start the process again. CONFIDENCE BBC Radio's daytime programs in the '80s, though pop-laden, were still filled with incredibly cheesy presentation and inane patter. Undaunted, Peel trudged on. In late 2004, as the tributes poured in, it was worth remembering this quote from 1987: "BBC Radio 1 is not sympathetic to my program and music. In 20 years, no one in the building has ever come in with an encouraging or complimentary word. In a way, it keeps you going; you say 'I'll show the bastards!'" Peel told Pulse Magazine in 1990, "I can't understand why people want to hear stuff coming out of the radio that they've got on record at home and have heard a hundred times before!" There you have it: one voice, in one sentence, totally trashing the business model of corporate FM radio today. John Peel had the fearless confidence that within one program it was it was totally logical to mix alt-country, cutting-edge dance, dub reggae, death metal, and African pop, alongside the most ragged yet earnest young bands. As Peel told Stomp and Stammer magazine in 2000, "There's good stuff going on all the time." His program format was radically simple: say what you are about to play, play it, then say what it was. The end. Even if it was 15 seconds of speedpunk. "Sometimes the music was just awful," said fellow BBC DJ Andy Kershaw. "But you mainly listened to Peel for Peel." Above all, Peel had confidence in the intelligence of his audience. It has been estimated that 80% of the music he played in his 37-year run on the BBC had never been played on the radio before. And 98% of what he played, he played once and never again. Although an expert radio technician, he'd regularly play records at the wrong speeds, leaving him embarrassed but defensive. Look, he'd say, these are white label 12-inchers with no artist, titles, or RPM info at all -- but killer tracks nonetheless. It would be so much easier not to play them at all, and most DJs would do just that. BBC Radio began webcasting in 1997, extending his domestic program to an international reach. And soon ISDN technology enabled him to do his late-night programs from a small studio at his home in the country, a few steps from his astounding personal record library. Freed from the bureaucratic hassles of transmitting from BBC HQ, and elated at the instant feedback from both positive and negative e-mails, he had recently said he had never enjoyed presenting radio shows so much. His impact on so many lives is immeasurable. Nearly every listener considered him a personal friend to some degree. And the few listeners that would contact him directly, such as this writer, found a lasting and real friendship. That friendship, like the man himself, will be irreplaceable. THE FINAL FAREWELL The massive 400-year-old St. Edmundsbury Cathedral, near John's rural home of Stowmarket, was the setting for John's funeral on Nov 12. Some 900 mourners had filled the church more than an hour before the service's start, while an overflow throng amassed before loudspeakers on the abbey lawn. There were hundreds of friends from the nearby villages and hundreds of BBC staffers, both young hip DJs and retired legendary voices going back to the birth of Radio 1. A swarm of British paparazzi camped outside the church and zeroed in on the arrivals of Robert Plant, the White Stripes, Billy Bragg, Jarvis Cocker, Michael McCartney, and on and on. Soon a solitary church bell began tolling, and all fell silent. John's casket, borne on the shoulders of six bleary-eyed pallbearers and piled high with Liverpool-red flowers, was carried from the hearse to the cathedral's center aisle. As the Stowmarket Choral Society gently sang, there came the heartbreaking sight of John's widow Sheila and his four grieving children, slowly following the casket to the altar. Amidst the somber mood, some of the eulogies were as funny as they were touching, but mostly the service was as sad as sad gets. Yes there were Bible readings and hymns, but John's eclectic stamp was evident throughout. At one point the hymns stopped, and across the vast cathedral space began the opening notes of the 1950s Howlin' Wolf classic "Goin' Down Slow," the rough-hewn Chicago blues masterpiece about one man's reflection on a life well-lived. As Wolf's maniacal vocals bounced over the pews to the five stories of stained glass that surrounded us, I was filled with radically mixed emotions, unsure whether to laugh or cry. As the song echoed away, fading into a blurry ambient gauze, the more musically knowledgeable looked at each other and smiled broadly... while the villagers and the cheese-era BBC staffers seemed to be asking John yet again, "Just what was that awful racket??" There was other music that day, from Mozart to Roy Orbison, and after these and after every eulogy, the church remained silent, while in the distance could be heard the roaring applause of the thousand-plus listening outside in the cold drizzle. The concluding eulogy was co-written by John's four children, now in their teens and twenties, and read by a family friend. As they had entered that day it was clear they were emotionally wiped out, yet the tribute they had written was fresh, clever brash, bratty, insulting, and fun, just like pops. Although John Peel had always admitted he was on an endless quest to find the perfect record, he had long ago decided that "Teenage Kicks" by Ireland's The Undertones was his favorite record of all time. "Sheila, my wife, knows that when I die, the only words I want on my tombstone, apart from my name, are: 'Teenage Dreams, So Hard To Beat.'" As the cathedral doors were swung open, the pallbearers raised the casket and started back up the center aisle. The grief-weary congregation rose, and, not unexpectedly, the church was filled with the sound of "Teenage Kicks." Played really, really loud. "I wanna hold you wanna hold you tight, Get teenage kicks right through the night, Oh yeah." ------ This article originally appeared in Stomp And Stammer magazine, December 2004 Material from The Guardian, The NME, The Times, The Daily Mail, and Pulse!, Filler, and Q magazines, and BBC World Service, contributed to this report. From dj_oldwood@... Fri Jan 7 11:21:01 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:21:01 -0000 Subject: Peel Slot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > Here's the latest from BBCi regarding JPs replacement > > There will be an announcement later this month regarding a permanent > replacement for the 11-1am slot. > > Still Keeping It Peel... " > This is better news ... I wonder if the timing of a month means the BBC have poached someone from another station and that they have to work out their notice first. Any thoughts on who, if not a current radio 1 DJ, it could possibly be or what Radio 1 might have in mind? Steve From pete@... Fri Jan 7 12:37:49 2005 From: pete@... (peteflynn) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:37:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: Peel Slot Message-ID: <20533389.1105097869261.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> > From: "dj_oldwood" > Subject: Re: Peel Slot > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "spib2003" wrote: > > > > Here's the latest from BBCi regarding JPs replacement > > > > There will be an announcement later this month regarding a > permanent > > replacement for the 11-1am slot. > > > > Still Keeping It Peel... " > > > > This is better news ... I wonder if the timing of a month means the > BBC have poached someone from another station and that they have to > work out their notice first. Any thoughts on who, if not a current > radio 1 DJ, it could possibly be or what Radio 1 might have in mind? > > Steve > John Kennedy ! ! ! ! or Zane Lowe just doesn't return from holiday for another month, so they can't extend his slot until then. The horror... -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From humbugoneuk@... Fri Jan 7 16:05:40 2005 From: humbugoneuk@... (Alex) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:05:40 -0000 Subject: ISO: Black Keys Peel sessions - May + Jul '03 In-Reply-To: <20533389.1105097869261.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> Message-ID: Hi, First post here - UK based taper and huge fan of the much missed JP. Jumping straight in with a request for a lossless (ie non-download or mp3 sourced) copy of the following radio sessions: 07 May '03: 1. Radio 1 intro 2. Hard Row 3. No Trust 4. Set You Free 5. The Moan 31 July '03: 6. John Peel 7. Thickfreakness 8. John Peel 9. I Cry Alone 10. Have Love Will Travel 11. John Peel 12. Busted 13. John Peel 14. John Peel 15. No Fun 16. Them Eyes Reason is that I am trying to Bit Torrent the show, and I found out the July session is lossy. Plenty to trade from a list of 500+ live shows for anyone that can help. Cheers, Humbug From martinw@... Fri Jan 7 12:48:02 2005 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:48:02 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Slot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20050107114142.00c55658@...> > >This is better news ... I wonder if the timing of a month means the >BBC have poached someone from another station and that they have to >work out their notice first. Any thoughts on who, if not a current >radio 1 DJ, it could possibly be or what Radio 1 might have in mind? > >Steve > End of January is the normal time for schedules to be reviewed Rumour is a different show each night with a different dj (possibly under an overall title) martinw From festive50@... Sat Jan 8 01:07:21 2005 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:07:21 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Not quite Peel but ....... In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050107114142.00c55658@...> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20050107114142.00c55658@...> Message-ID: <10307.195.188.213.34.1105142841.squirrel@195.188.213.34> For the Peel Purists who appreciated some the 'ol time stuff. Someone just sent me this link to a 1920's/'30's Blues station. http://weeniecampbell.com/yabbse/ At top of page click on weenie Juke and then seclect your player of choice. Phil P.S. Sorry Tom never received your mail. Have you got my correct address? From newswire@... Sat Jan 8 23:38:19 2005 From: newswire@... (Mark) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:38:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Slot References: <4.3.2.7.2.20050107114142.00c55658@...> Message-ID: <41E060DB.000001.40413@T3O2M9> As long as they picked the right DJs that might be the best idea. -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/07/05 18:51:40 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Peel Slot End of January is the normal time for schedules to be reviewed Rumour is a different show each night with a different dj (possibly under an overall title) martinw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r0bertward@... Sun Jan 9 01:40:39 2005 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:40:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Re: Peel Slot In-Reply-To: <41E060DB.000001.40413@T3O2M9> Message-ID: <20050109004039.4443.qmail@...> > Rumour is a different show each night with a > different dj (possibly under an overall title) > As long as they picked the right DJs that might be > the best idea. well for what it's worth, what I think is important is that whoever was sending their music to John (in the hope of getting it out there) now has somewhere else to send it, somewhere definite - not some namby-pamby strand that'll be rebranded in 6 months, so you need to call it something and stick to it, R1, (my choice, "The Peel Show") - and that they keep on sending the music, and that it has the chance of being played, and being loved, and changing our tastes and our lives __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From morriso@... Mon Jan 10 13:56:15 2005 From: morriso@... (ANDREW MORRISON) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Message-ID: <20050110125615.3447.qmail@...> >From the UnLimited Media CMU Daily newsletter: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Radio 1 will fill the 11pm-1am slot that used to host John Peel's show with a new strand called OneMusic - a new music show with a different presenter each night. The aim is to create a show which doesn't try to replace Peel (that being more or less impossible), but which maintains his passion - championing diverse, unpredictable and non-commercial new music. The three presenters of OneMusic will be Huw Stephens (Tuesdays), Ras Kwame (Wednesday) and Rod Da Bank (Thursdays), each bringing an equally knowledge of music, but with a specific focus on slightly different genres of music. Commenting on the new strand, which will kick off on 1 Feb, Radio 1 boss Andy Parfitt told reporters: "As a DJ John Peel was unique. Supporting new music and seeking out the unusual was at the heart of what John was about. We have spent a long time debating how best to continue John's work and believe that by having a series of DJs hosting a selection of shows under the One Music title, we will ensure that his legacy lives on." Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... Website: www.TrustNoOne.org.uk From robfleay@... Mon Jan 10 16:16:49 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:16:49 +0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Message-ID: <20050110151550.CSOX15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.63]> Interesting - cheer Andrew Anyone know anything about the other two presenters? No mention of whether they will continue to have "sessions" either.. ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From janb@... Mon Jan 10 16:41:48 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:41:48 -0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT References: <20050110151550.CSOX15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.63]> Message-ID: <014e01c4f72a$e5817450$2e90220a@...> On Monday, January 10, 2005 3:16 PM [GMT+1=CET], robfleay@... wrote: >> Interesting - cheer Andrew >> >> Anyone know anything about the other two presenters? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/schedule/biogs.shtml Huw - guitars (although best known for breaking glc) Ras - 'urban' Rob - dancey end of things Their respective nights of Tues, Wed, Thu reflect that in matching the other specialist shows. -- Jan From robfleay@... Mon Jan 10 17:11:11 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:11:11 +0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Message-ID: <20050110160956.QHTH769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.62]> > Huw - guitars (although best known for breaking glc) > Ras - 'urban' > Rob - dancey end of things Hmmm - not sure about this (apart from my unexplainable dislike of welsh accents) - splitting it out into three specialist shows is rubbish. The thing that was great about Peel's programming was that you never knew what was coming next...insane grungecore? hard house? dub reggae? jangly guitars? spoken word? meh...by bye radio 1 ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From d.mckinnon@... Mon Jan 10 16:45:20 2005 From: d.mckinnon@... (McKINNON Dougal) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:45:20 -0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Message-ID: I think Huw Stephens is the bloke that presented The Evening Session occasionally when they used to get regional versions ie Welsh, Scottish and Irish presenters doing it. Can't remember a great deal about what he played on the odd times that I heard him, but suspect it was fairly standard indie fare. There's a little bit about him here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/wales/the_team.shtml I suppose the danger is that you end up mainly indie music one night, mainly "world" the next, mainly dance after that, but what can you do? dougal mckinnon E-mail: d.mckinnon@... The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. From martinw@... Mon Jan 10 17:54:53 2005 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:54:53 +0000 Subject: First thoughts on Peel Replacements Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20050110164416.024493f0@...> Tuesday Huw Stephens. He is currently doing the Session in Wales (which is the most purely indie of the regional sessions progs as far as I can tell) and standing in for Zane this week. He is a decent dj and presumable will cover new indie Wednesday - Ras Kwame 1Xtra Urban dj He is presumably there to cover all those Beyonce and Usher records Peel used to play Thursday - Rob Da Bank Probably dancier than the other two since that is his area and will hopefully cover some hardcore/grime which is the biggest gap in Radio 1's dance coverage but I have my doubts Probably also will cover 'eclectic' by sticking a couple of old records in The presenters do look as if they were chosen to fit in with the progs and after them rather than to be separate in themselves There will be none of that swinging between styles you are used to from Peel I am not concerned about new groups - there is plenty of cover - Lamacq,Lockup, Zane as well as Huw. But were exactly are the established groups going to go Leaving aside the more extreme case of The Fall which of these progs is likely to commision a new session by Wedding Prersent or Half Man Half Biscuit? I don't see one. Very much the cheap fudge we were fearing martinw From iangwilson@... Mon Jan 10 18:24:09 2005 From: iangwilson@... (Ian Wilson) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:24:09 +0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: <20050110160956.QHTH769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@62.253.162.62> References: <20050110160956.QHTH769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@62.253.162.62> Message-ID: <7b3563a0501100924441c335b@...> I agree with rob......It's not so much the style of music that is covered, more the style in which it is covered, and sadly, that is where Peel is irreplaceable. Ian. On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:11:11 +0000, robfleay@... wrote: > > Huw - guitars (although best known for breaking glc) > > Ras - 'urban' > > Rob - dancey end of things > > Hmmm - not sure about this (apart from my unexplainable dislike of welsh > accents) - splitting it out into three specialist shows is rubbish. The > thing that was great about Peel's programming was that you never knew what > was coming next...insane grungecore? hard house? dub reggae? jangly guitars? > spoken word? > > meh...by bye radio 1 > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From moomin@... Mon Jan 10 18:23:54 2005 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:23:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , McKINNON Dougal writes >I suppose the danger is that you end up mainly indie music one night, >mainly "world" the next, mainly dance after that, but what can you do? Yup, and none of that 'unlistenable' stuff which was my main reason for listening to John Peel. -- simon smith From brunoe@... Mon Jan 10 19:09:56 2005 From: brunoe@... (Eurich, Bruno) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:09:56 +0100 Subject: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT Message-ID: <5459D2DB30DA344FA469796C4D7BBDCC027A8B52@...> I feel that this is a real opportunity that's been missed by R1 - quite surprisingly so considering that they must have known that a lot of ppl would be looking for something progressive - but it appears sadly that they've just gone down the brain-dead pigeon-hole route. I'm just going to listen to the netcast of my favourite college radio station in California, which rather blew my mind when I discovered it by accident while I was over there. I've already posted the link to the PeelFM Yahoo group but thought others on this list might be interested. They're doing a Peel tribute show soon - will post the date when I get it. http://www.kfjc.org/ "It's all about the Music Listen Up If we are your favorite station all of the time, something has gone terribly wrong. KFJC's target audience may not exist. Soundtracks, reggae, poetry, hip-hop, surf, bluegrass, noise, talk, beats, rock, western, electronics, punk, jazz, metal, drone, blues, experimental, dub, etc.,etc. Who listens to such mind boggling variety? People who love to say to themselves: "What the Hell did I just hear?" Their ears are attached to brains that focus on music for the sake of music - and the art of handmade live radio. KFJC is homebrewed freeform radio fortified weekly with new sound and forgotten music injections. Each DJ brings their own sonic experience, segue-way philosophy and unique record-bag of tricks. Everything played or not played, said or not said is fully manifested by the on-air jocks. No hype, no industry games, no product - just an eternal hunt for the inspired, creative, rare and free. Thank you." http://www.wfmu.org/ is also good on the East coast. -- Bruno > -----Original Message----- > From: simon smith [mailto:moomin@...] > Sent: 10 January 2005 17:24 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [peel] RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT > > > In message > fs.ac.uk>, > McKINNON Dougal writes > >I suppose the danger is that you end up mainly indie music > one night, > >mainly "world" the next, mainly dance after that, but what > can you do? > > Yup, and none of that 'unlistenable' stuff which was my main > reason for > listening to John Peel. > > -- > simon smith > > From mulligan_tony@... Mon Jan 10 22:59:51 2005 From: mulligan_tony@... (mulligan_tony) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:59:51 -0000 Subject: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can't say I'm thrilled with Radio 1's plans. What's happening to the producers - Louise and Hermeet and Mark? Wasn't Hermeet going to Groningham and aren't there unplayed Peel Sessions? From dbarrell@... Tue Jan 11 10:06:11 2005 From: dbarrell@... (Daniel Barrell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:06:11 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E39703.3070507@...> mulligan_tony wrote: > > > Can't say I'm thrilled with Radio 1's plans. > > What's happening to the producers - Louise and Hermeet and Mark? > Wasn't Hermeet going to Groningham and aren't there unplayed Peel > Sessions? This is what I was worried about. If Louise and Hermeet continued producing the Thurs evening slot with RDB and included a session every week then that would have been the most listenable evening. They seem to have gelled as a team over Nov/Dec... but that may have been that the playlists were more to do with John than themselves. Dan From dj_oldwood@... Tue Jan 11 12:24:35 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:24:35 -0000 Subject: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: <20050110125615.3447.qmail@...> Message-ID: Well, I suppose we just have to to give these new people a chance. Like most I only know of Rob Da Bank and am actually quite hopeful of him, whilst he's never going to follow a Shitmat 12" with 30s gospel, I did read that he'd found hosting the "Peel show" broadened his music taste a lot so we can at least hope for more than the usual one- dimensional dance programmes on radio. Someone said we shouldn't worry about new bands being aired ... not sure I agree, would anyone else on the radio have played Steveless for example? It's not the bands that will be popular that are the issue, it's those who may never ever do more than one or two great tracks before fading into obscurity. My record collection's got loads of them, nearly all due to John playing them of course. Still, let's give these new three a chance to prove us doubters wrong, I hope they do. Steve From janb@... Tue Jan 11 15:37:40 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:37:40 -0000 Subject: Times piece on new shows Message-ID: <00f101c4f7eb$1a92f3b0$2e90220a@...> Three DJs to fill Peel's shoes By Adam Sherwin, Media Reporter IT WILL take three presenters to replace John Peel, Radio 1 said yesterday as it unveiled a late-night alternative music slot to succeed the broadcaster. After months of discussion, Radio 1 executives concluded that the breadth of Peel's musical taste was so great that no single DJ could take over. Rob Da Bank, the "chill-out" DJ who took over the show after Peel's death from a heart attack last October, will continue to host the two-hour Thursday programme, but Tuesday night has been awarded to Huw Stephens, the copresenter of Radio 1's Bethan and Huw in Wales programme, who is closer to the "underground" rock scene. Ras Kwame, a presenter on 1Xtra, the BBC's digital black music station, will take over on Wednesdays. Kwame gave a first hearing to talents on the British hip-hop and urban scene, including Lady Sovereign and Kano, artists tipped to break into mainstream. Instead of the messy eclectism of Peel, the three shows will come under the Radio 1 branding of One Music. The BBC promised that One Music would "keep Peel's legacy alive" by "championing a diverse, unpredictable and non-commercial mix of new music". A One Music website will give aspiring artists advice on all aspects of the industry, from how to record a demo tape to what to be aware of when signing a record contract. Radio 1 said that the three young DJs were chosen for their in-depth musical know-ledge across a variety of genres. A production team will ensure that the three shows represent a balance of music through the week but the DJs are expected to focus on their own passions. One Music will begin on February 1 and the "Peel Sessions", where new artists are invited to record tracks at the BBC for exclusive airing, will continue. Although Peel was famed for launching bands to stardom, One Music will not be judged on creating hit artists. A spokesman said: "It will seek out those making music for music's sake rather than for commercial success." Andy Parfitt, the Controller of Radio 1, said: "As a DJ, John Peel was unique. We have spent a long time debating how best to continue John's work and believe that, by having a series of DJs hosting a selection of shows, we will ensure that his legacy lives on." Stephens said: "I grew up listening to John so it is a massive honour to be able to carry on the work that he did championing new music. No one will be able to fill John's shoes but we can make sure his inspiration keeps us hunting out the next musical gem." From andy.irvine@... Tue Jan 11 16:14:15 2005 From: andy.irvine@... (Andy Irvine) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:14:15 -0000 Subject: [peel] Times piece on new shows In-Reply-To: <00f101c4f7eb$1a92f3b0$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: "The BBC promised that One Music would "keep Peel's legacy alive" by "championing a diverse, unpredictable and non-commercial mix of new music"." So where does diversity come into it when the show gets ghettoised into three separate theme nights? I'll be listening to the Huw Stephens thing on a Tuesday (if it's not too MTV-indie), but, given that Thursday with da Bank will play stuff which I'm largely not going to like, and that Wednesday is even less appealing, I'm just not going to bother with those nights. Too much hard work - I'll stick with my cute kids with guitars, thanks. Apologies if I'm being presumptuous here, but surely Peel played stuff purely and simply because it was stuff he thought was good, wanted to listen to, and hoped other people would like, irrespective of haircuts, politics or ethnicity. Like everyone else, I found plenty of his stuff unlistenable, but he'd frequently play an absolute gem which, because of genre and nothing else, I would never have given a chance to otherwise. There were no good and bad categories, just good and bad music. The BBC have an impossible job in finding a replacement, and I don't envy them, but to subdivide the Peel concept into neat boxes represents a point well and truly missed. From cynicaldj@... Tue Jan 11 16:41:02 2005 From: cynicaldj@... (cynicaldj) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:41:02 -0000 Subject: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First thing is to check out the news of Radio 1's replacement Programming. Whether or not they have done the right thing in covering the Peel Programme with three D.J.'s remains to be same; though I do wonder if they have lost the point? While John had a fine knowledge of a lot of Music, he did not know it all, and was not ashamed to admit it; after all how many times did you hear "...well, Listeners, all I can tell you is that is by a Group/Band called XYZ and apart from the fact it is on a White Label, not much else...". The other factor they may have fallen down on is this "branding" business. "One Music"? Why not just "Keep It Peel"? I am about to launch my on Computer Business, for which I need and have a brand, yes it is important to me that my Clients know I am in the Computer Business, but the important factor about Peel was apart from the fact he was about Music, that's ALL you knew. The P.R. seems a little too smooth for my liking; also little to no mention of Louise, Hermeet, & Mark; and will the dreaded Playlist be involved? If it is the unknown and unheard three nights per week from three enthusiastic D.J.'s then Well Done Radio 1! We can but wait and hear. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/PeelFM/ --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "dj_oldwood" wrote: > > Well, I suppose we just have to to give these new people a chance. > Like most I only know of Rob Da Bank and am actually quite hopeful of > him, whilst he's never going to follow a Shitmat 12" with 30s gospel, > I did read that he'd found hosting the "Peel show" broadened his > music taste a lot so we can at least hope for more than the usual one- > dimensional dance programmes on radio. > > Someone said we shouldn't worry about new bands being aired ... not > sure I agree, would anyone else on the radio have played Steveless > for example? It's not the bands that will be popular that are the > issue, it's those who may never ever do more than one or two great > tracks before fading into obscurity. My record collection's got > loads of them, nearly all due to John playing them of course. > > Still, let's give these new three a chance to prove us doubters > wrong, I hope they do. > > Steve From maxbmaxb@... Tue Jan 11 16:49:07 2005 From: maxbmaxb@... (max_bondi) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:49:07 -0000 Subject: Peelenium Message-ID: Just wondering here if anyone has copies of the Peelenium that were recorded at the time??? I taped all years 1940-2000, and sadly a couple of the tapes have deteriorated and are no longer listenable. However, all surviving tapes I have transferred on to computer and CD, and so have a collection that encompasses 1940-1947 and 1964-2000 inclusive (minus 1965 & 1985). If anyone here has the years 1900-1939 and/or any of the other years i am missing (1948-1963) I would be very interested in hearing from you, or indeed if anyone is interested in the years i do have then get in contact. From janb@... Tue Jan 11 17:01:49 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:01:49 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: RADIO 1 ANNOUNCE REPLACEMENT FOR PEEL SLOT References: Message-ID: <010b01c4f7f6$db8c0a60$2e90220a@...> On Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:41 PM [GMT+1=CET], cynicaldj wrote: > smooth for my liking; also little to no mention of Louise, Hermeet, & > Mark; One would assume they're the production team that will knit the three shows together. Of course assumptions can be dangerous. > and will the dreaded Playlist be involved? Oh jeez. The playlist is only in operation during daytime (4am to 7pm). > If it is the unknown and unheard three nights per week from three > enthusiastic D.J.'s then Well Done Radio 1! We can but wait and hear. Indeed. -- Jan From dj_oldwood@... Tue Jan 11 18:47:05 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:47:05 -0000 Subject: Times piece on new shows In-Reply-To: <00f101c4f7eb$1a92f3b0$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Buxton" wrote: > Three DJs to fill Peel's shoes > By Adam Sherwin, Media Reporter > Instead of the messy eclectism of Peel, the three shows will come > under the Radio 1 branding of One Music "Messy eclectism"? Leaving aside the fact that's not even the right word (it should be "eclecticism") what an absurd view that is! About as daft as that often repeated word "unlistenable". Mind you, "The Messy Eclectics" wouldn't be a bad name for a band. Steve From penarth2002@... Wed Jan 12 12:06:28 2005 From: penarth2002@... (egdirdle2001) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:06:28 -0000 Subject: Peel replacement Huw Stephens Message-ID: I used to work with him at Radio Wales. Don't get me wrong he's a smashing bloke. But 4 years ago , although he did the Wales Evening Session, they wouldn't even let him answer the phones. I would often play him new stuff that he'd never heard before. Again...good bloke but he was 17 at the time and the BBC in London used to tell Wales what to play. He used to get ribbed in the office a bit cos he was the youngest - he must only be about 22 now ! The best of luck to him but if you'd have told me 4 years ago that Huw would in some way be in the John Peel slot within 5 years I would have been surprised to say the least. There you go I sound just like one of those jealous ex-industry types that you get on internet media forums. Maybe I am. Godd luck Huw anyway. From stuart@... Wed Jan 12 13:54:38 2005 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:54:38 +0000 Subject: First thoughts on Peel Replacements In-Reply-To: <1105444281.379.75600.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1105444281.379.75600.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: "I am not concerned about new groups - there is plenty of cover - Lamacq,Lockup, Zane as well as Huw. " Have to disagree I'm afraid - Zane et al are merely playing the bands which are on fake indie labels as subsidiaries of the majors and are supported by expensive pluggers. Well, that might overstate it a little, but for the bands who used to send in their demos to Peel - i think it's now a general Onemusic address - well, who's going to listen to them, never mind play them? Peelie was paid by the Beeb to basically listen to new music 24/7 (well, that's how it worked out). I think of a band like The Aphrodisiacs, they'd have had to send copies of the CD to all of the above anyway - if they went to Onemusic and the urban guy happened to be the one who picked it up... well, so much stuff would just fall between the cracks. As someone said, we should give the new presenters a chance. But as someone else also said, bye bye radio one. Stuart -- is this music? po box 13516 linlithgow eh49 6wb tel: 01506 840063 email:editor@... From janb@... Wed Jan 12 14:02:29 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:02:29 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements References: <1105444281.379.75600.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c4f8a6$f8e6a060$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:54 PM [GMT+1=CET], Stuart McHugh wrote: > "I am not concerned about new groups - there is plenty of cover - > Lamacq,Lockup, Zane as well as Huw. " > > Have to disagree I'm afraid - Zane et al are merely playing the bands > which are on fake indie labels as subsidiaries of the majors and are > supported by expensive pluggers. Well, that might overstate it a > little, A little, because there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane played towards the end of last year that I can recall. -- Jan From festive50@... Wed Jan 12 14:36:03 2005 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:36:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: First thoughts on Peel Replacements In-Reply-To: <00aa01c4f8a6$f8e6a060$2e90220a@...> References: <1105444281.379.75600.m12@yahoogroups.com> <00aa01c4f8a6$f8e6a060$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: <13779.195.188.213.34.1105536963.squirrel@195.188.213.34> Well I bet that John Peel will be comforted by such promising news and that his legacy lingers on. Must rememeber to tune in to Zane Lowe in future. LOL Phil > A little, because there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane played > towards the end of last year that I can recall. > > -- > Jan From robfleay@... Wed Jan 12 14:41:40 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:41:40 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements Message-ID: <20050112134241.CZSB11644.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.61]> > > A little, because there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane played hmmm - but the worry is with all this "unsigned bands" nonsense is that you never know if they really ARE unsigned - or if they are about to be signed and plugging them as being "unsigned" is an easy way to generate a buzz among listeners - everyone in the industry wins...Radio 1 look hip and the label get guaranteed sales/fanbase. I know this has always gone on to a certain degree...were Bis really unsigned when they went on TOTP? and how many of them Fierce Panda singles were financed by major labels trying to break their indie bands? but without the principles of a 60 year old bloke who has been at the station for 40 years and will not take shit from ANYONE - it could quite easily go horribly wrong. The likes of Zane and Huw are young and want to get on, if they value their jobs they can't AFFORD to have principles when it comes to matters like this.. I think Radio 6 will quickly become the only BBC station worth listening too - I know for a fact that Lamacq can pretty much play what he likes on his Radio 6 show, but his Radio 1 show is largely driven by pluggers and payola. Mind you once Radio 6 gets any kind of increasing listenership the pluggers will move in there too no doubt... ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From janb@... Wed Jan 12 15:27:33 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:27:33 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements References: <1105444281.379.75600.m12@yahoogroups.com> <00aa01c4f8a6$f8e6a060$2e90220a@...> <13779.195.188.213.34.1105536963.squirrel@195.188.213.34> Message-ID: <00c301c4f8b2$db2fda30$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:36 PM [GMT+1=CET], festive50@... wrote: >> A little, because there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane >> played towards the end of last year that I can recall. > > Well I bet that John Peel will be comforted by such promising news and > that his legacy lingers on. Didn't even suggest... > Must rememeber to tune in to Zane Lowe in future. LOL Yes you're quite the comedian. Wankerdom is lucky to have you. -- Jan From janb@... Wed Jan 12 15:33:39 2005 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:39 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements References: <20050112134241.CZSB11644.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.61]> Message-ID: <00c801c4f8b3$b52c24a0$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:41 PM [GMT+1=CET], robfleay@... wrote: >>> A little, because there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane >>> played > > > hmmm - but the worry is with all this "unsigned bands" nonsense is > that you never know if they really ARE unsigned - or if they are > about to be signed and plugging them as being "unsigned" is an easy > way to generate a buzz among listeners - everyone in the industry > wins...Radio 1 look hip and the label get guaranteed sales/fanbase. Oh quite. They were guaranteed signees even if they weren't already. > I think Radio 6 will quickly become the only BBC station worth > listening too - I know for a fact that Lamacq can pretty much play > what he likes on his Radio 6 show, but his Radio 1 show is largely > driven by pluggers and payola. Mind you once Radio 6 gets any kind of > increasing listenership the pluggers will move in there too no > doubt... Not all pluggers have bad taste. Just because something is in danger of being vaguely popular doesn't make it bad. Thats a mantra that some on this list would do well to repeat. Anyway, yes I've been a staunch supported of 6music since the start. I'll continue to listen to both 6music and Radio 1 and anything else that takes my fancy. After all its breadth that rewards, not blinkered listening to one show. -- Jan From robfleay@... Wed Jan 12 15:47:39 2005 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:47:39 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements Message-ID: <20050112144700.QWDX9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@[62.253.162.64]> > Just because something is in danger of > being vaguely popular doesn't make it bad. Oh I completely agree! My point was actually (as a musician and tiny independent record label boss) that a playlist dictated by pluggers doesn't leave much room for those that cannot afford such expense. Not all records/bands that have pluggers are crap, but if you can afford a good plugger then it starts to matter less whether your record is crap or not! ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From markbursa@... Wed Jan 12 16:17:50 2005 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:17:50 EST Subject: [peel] Peel replacement Huw Stephens Message-ID: <1e6.32941594.2f16999e@...> Again...good bloke but he was 17 at the time and the BBC in London used to tell Wales what to play. He used to get ribbed in the office a bit cos he was the youngest - he must only be about 22 now ! Therein lies the root of the problem. The massive advantage that John Peel had was his knowledge of half a century of music. Someone pointed out in an obituary that he'd listened to more music than anyone else on the plant. This gave him the ability to place new music in context: to tell the original from the derivative (and he'd play the original, even if it was shit). This established a key element in the listener's relationship with the DJ - you trusted him, because he demonstrably knew his stuff. He always had 21 years' listening experience over me. Some 22 year old indiekid isn't going to be able to deliver that - no matter how good his radar at finding new indie bands that sound good to him. I've got 21 years' listening experience over him... The situation is worse with dance and urban DJs, for whom context is almost irrelevant. The BBC has predictably used the slot to: 1 - promote some young talent - fair enough, but one suspects Huw, Ras and Rob are ambitous and won't want to devote the rest of their lives to a two-hour graveyard slot playing Shitmat records. Part of Peel's success was his UNambition. The new boys probably fancy themselves as the next Zane (or worse - the next Timothy Westwood). 2 - promote 1XL. Non-ironic R&B popular with the chav massive - no thank you. I'd rather the didn't use Peel's slot to justify its licence fee 3 - put everything into neat little boxes that the management trainees can understand. I suspect the slot will ultimately become a haven for big label pluggers trying to see what might fly. With three young DJs it's doubtful if anyone will be able to stand up to them - the pluggers could simply divide & conquer. At least internet radio gives us other options. Imagine what might have happened to British music had John gone to Peru in 1978. Mark From newswire@... Wed Jan 12 19:37:57 2005 From: newswire@... (Mark) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:37:57 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [peel] First thoughts on Peel Replacements References: <4.3.2.7.2.20050110164416.024493f0@...> Message-ID: <41E56E85.000001.57437@T3O2M9> I would have liked to see Benji B do the "black" quotient of the peel taste. Ras is much too mainstream and much too narrow. Benji would have done a really good job and already works for the BBC. A really bad choice I think. What could they have been thinking? -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/11/05 12:07:12 To: zapsmart@yahoogroups.com Cc: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] First thoughts on Peel Replacements Wednesday - Ras Kwame 1Xtra Urban dj He is presumably there to cover all those Beyonce and Usher records Peel used to play -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rockerq@... Wed Jan 12 20:36:00 2005 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:36:00 EST Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements Message-ID: <12a.5491097b.2f16d620@...> << there was a couple of unsigned bands that Zane played towards the end of last year that I can recall. >> That would be "Unsigned" as in oh look next week they're on Fierce Panda (and we know what that means!) Rocker I'll give this new format a couple of weeks, if its crap I'll just have to rely on MP3 soundbites from indie internet record shops From rob.lockwood@... Wed Jan 12 22:30:32 2005 From: rob.lockwood@... (robbyell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:30:32 -0000 Subject: Keep It Peel Message-ID: Hi - I seem to have missed the torrent-fest for Keep It Peel and FF2004 - I logged on to gollach.co.uk but no one's seeding - does anyone know where I can get either of them? I listened to it on the night and thought it was superb but couldn't tape it properly... From marine_b0y2000@... Thu Jan 13 09:39:46 2005 From: marine_b0y2000@... (marine_b0y2000) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:46 -0000 Subject: Keep It Peel - downloads avialable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take another look - it may just have been no one seeding at the time you looked! 8.37 am 13/1/05: 4-6 seeders for each download PLUS Festive 50 now available. Keep it Real - Keep it Peel Richard -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "robbyell" wrote: > > Hi - I seem to have missed the torrent-fest for Keep It Peel and > FF2004 - I logged on to gollach.co.uk but no one's seeding - does > anyone know where I can get either of them? I listened to it on the > night and thought it was superb but couldn't tape it properly... From dj_oldwood@... Thu Jan 13 11:44:10 2005 From: dj_oldwood@... (dj_oldwood) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:44:10 -0000 Subject: First thoughts on Peel Replacements In-Reply-To: <12a.5491097b.2f16d620@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@a... wrote: > I'll give this new format a couple of weeks, if its crap I'll just have to > rely on MP3 soundbites from indie internet record shops Can you recommend the best ones in your experience? Whilst I use a good shop for dance music (Juno) which stocks all dance genres I haven't found a good one for indie stuff and tend to just trawl round on the label sites I know. Thanks Steve From blairbear@... Thu Jan 13 17:18:46 2005 From: blairbear@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:18:46 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Keep It Peel - downloads avialable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c4f98b$8ecff420$4e679fd4@home2uz9c54pbo> What is the web address I get a blank page when I type in www.gollach.co.uk Thanks in advance Davie -----Original Message----- From: marine_b0y2000 [mailto:marine_b0y2000@...] Sent: 13 January 2005 08:40 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: Keep It Peel - downloads avialable Take another look - it may just have been no one seeding at the time you looked! 8.37 am 13/1/05: 4-6 seeders for each download PLUS Festive 50 now available. Keep it Real - Keep it Peel Richard -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "robbyell" wrote: > > Hi - I seem to have missed the torrent-fest for Keep It Peel and > FF2004 - I logged on to gollach.co.uk but no one's seeding - does > anyone know where I can get either of them? I listened to it on the > night and thought it was superb but couldn't tape it properly... Yahoo! Groups Links -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From robstrong@... Thu Jan 13 18:40:54 2005 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:40:54 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements References: Message-ID: <009601c4f997$75fb5500$2d4d2452@oemcomputer> From: "dj_oldwood" > Can you recommend the best ones in your experience? Whilst I use a > good shop for dance music (Juno) which stocks all dance genres I > haven't found a good one for indie stuff and tend to just trawl round > on the label sites I know. http://aquariusrecords.org/ have mpeg streams of tracks from new releases. They're also one of the very few mailorders that bother to review the stuff they're selling (rather than regurgitating the press release) and have always been a pleasure to deal with. Plus, of course, they're in the US so very cheap at the moment. Rob From markbursa@... Thu Jan 13 18:51:26 2005 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:51:26 EST Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements Message-ID: <1aa.2f54a93a.2f180f1e@...> > Can you recommend the best ones in your experience? Whilst I use a > good shop for dance music (Juno) which stocks all dance genres I > haven't found a good one for indie stuff and tend to just trawl round > on the label sites I know. For avantgarde stuff try Boomkat _www.boomkat.com_ (http://www.boomkat.com) Postpunk/Indie/reissues/ _www.darla.com_ (http://www.darla.com) For powerpop-jangly stuff try Notlame _www.notlame.com_ (http://www.notlame.com) Two very efficient suppliers in the UK: _www.actionrecords.com_ (http://www.actionrecords.com) _http://www.normanrecords.com/_ (http://www.normanrecords.com/) From robstrong@... Thu Jan 13 19:09:21 2005 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:09:21 -0000 Subject: [ot] Static Caravan RoTa Message-ID: <006e01c4f99b$034028c0$2d4d2452@oemcomputer> As the crossover between Peel's audience and Darren Hayman's audience is reasonably large: ----------------------------------------------------- STATIC CARAVAN RoTa. Saturday 22nd January Notting Hill Arts Club 4pm - 8pm Tunng Pete Astor static djs expanding djs Pete will be playing most of the tunes at the Notting Hill Arts club on the 22nd with Mr. Darren Hayman on modular synthesizer and Mr Dave Morgan on the drum kit. Pete Astor - Hal's Eggs (Van 87) is released on January 17th and a special sub edition will be available at the show. Tunng will be playing tracks from their debut album Mothers Daughter (Van 88). This record has been ecstatically received so far and the band will record a session for the Gilles Peterson show directly after the show. If you are lucky we may have the remaining vinyl copies of the album for sale. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're thinking of attending, drop me a mail as I'll certainly be there. Rob From marine_b0y2000@... Fri Jan 14 09:04:24 2005 From: marine_b0y2000@... (marine_b0y2000) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:24 -0000 Subject: Keep It Peel - downloads avialable In-Reply-To: <000601c4f98b$8ecff420$4e679fd4@home2uz9c54pbo> Message-ID: Hi Davie try: http://www.gollach.co.uk/hello/bt/ cheers Richard --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Davie Ramsay" wrote: > What is the web address I get a blank page when I type in > www.gollach.co.uk > > Thanks in advance > > Davie > > -----Original Message----- > From: marine_b0y2000 [mailto:marine_b0y2000@y...] > Sent: 13 January 2005 08:40 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Re: Keep It Peel - downloads avialable > > > > Take another look - it may just have been no one seeding at the time > you looked! > 8.37 am 13/1/05: 4-6 seeders for each download PLUS Festive 50 now > available. > > Keep it Real - Keep it Peel > Richard > > > > -- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "robbyell" wrote: > > > > Hi - I seem to have missed the torrent-fest for Keep It Peel and > > FF2004 - I logged on to gollach.co.uk but no one's seeding - does > > anyone know where I can get either of them? I listened to it on the > > night and thought it was superb but couldn't tape it properly... > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net From dbarrell@... Fri Jan 14 14:15:48 2005 From: dbarrell@... (Daniel Barrell) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:15:48 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: First thoughts on Peel Replacements In-Reply-To: <1aa.2f54a93a.2f180f1e@...> References: <1aa.2f54a93a.2f180f1e@...> Message-ID: <41E7C604.1000702@...> There's an interesting little thread on the Bearsuit message board which *I think* has a message from Louise in it regarding the future of the show. It starts here: http://members2.boardhost.com/bearsuit/msg/4489.html From brunoe@... Fri Jan 14 20:26:56 2005 From: brunoe@... (Eurich, Bruno) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:26:56 +0100 Subject: Another Peel tribute show Message-ID: <5459D2DB30DA344FA469796C4D7BBDCC029A6FDC@...> KFJC will be doing their JP tribute on Saturday 5th Feb from 2-6pm pacific time (10pm to 2am GMT/UK time). ... > > I'm just going to listen to the netcast of my favourite > college radio station in California, which rather blew my > mind when I discovered it by accident while I was over there. > I've already posted the link to the PeelFM Yahoo group but > thought others on this list might be interested. > They're doing a Peel tribute show soon - will post the date > when I get it. > > http://www.kfjc.org/ > > "It's all about the Music > > Listen Up > > If we are your favorite station all of the time, something > has gone terribly wrong. > > KFJC's target audience may not exist. Soundtracks, reggae, > poetry, hip-hop, surf, bluegrass, noise, talk, beats, rock, > western, electronics, punk, jazz, metal, drone, blues, > experimental, dub, etc.,etc. Who listens to such mind > boggling variety? > > People who love to say to themselves: "What the Hell did I > just hear?" Their ears are attached to brains that focus on > music for the sake of music - and the art of handmade live radio. > > KFJC is homebrewed freeform radio fortified weekly with new > sound and forgotten music injections. Each DJ brings their > own sonic experience, segue-way philosophy and unique > record-bag of tricks. > > Everything played or not played, said or not said is fully > manifested by the on-air jocks. No hype, no industry games, > no product - just an eternal hunt for the inspired, creative, > rare and free. > > Thank you." > > http://www.wfmu.org/ is also good on the East coast. > > -- > Bruno > From gpwebster@... Fri Jan 14 22:46:11 2005 From: gpwebster@... (hammieweb) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:46:11 -0000 Subject: more Peel bit torrent please Message-ID: Thanks to some of the contributers of this forum I have recently downloaded FF2004 & Keep It Peel night, many thanks to those who made this possible. If anybody has any more of any Peel stuff please point me in the right direction. Graham From troche@... Sun Jan 16 05:48:49 2005 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:48:49 -0500 Subject: Peelenium In-Reply-To: <1105533139.343.47416.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1105533139.343.47416.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: At 12:32 PM +0000 1/12/05, peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: >Subject: Peelenium > > >Just wondering here if anyone has copies of the Peelenium that were >recorded at the time??? I taped all years 1940-2000, and sadly a >couple of the tapes have deteriorated and are no longer listenable. >However, all surviving tapes I have transferred on to computer and >CD, and so have a collection that encompasses 1940-1947 and 1964-2000 >inclusive (minus 1965 & 1985). If anyone here has the years 1900-1939 >and/or any of the other years i am missing (1948-1963) I would be >very interested in hearing from you, or indeed if anyone is >interested in the years i do have then get in contact. A hope of mine would be that somehow, someday, all 100 four-song Peelenium segments could be sequenced together by someone and ripped to an MP3 or two (someone with a lot of time of their hands it must be said.) I have a few from various years, disorganized, Let me investigate to see if I can contribute. What would be the date in 1999 that the 1900 set was played? tom From troche@... Sun Jan 16 05:57:31 2005 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:57:31 -0500 Subject: Peel replacement Huw Stephens In-Reply-To: <1105533139.343.47416.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1105533139.343.47416.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: At 12:32 PM +0000 1/12/05, peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Peel replacement Huw Stephens > > >I used to work with him at Radio Wales. Don't get me wrong he's a >smashing bloke. >But 4 years ago , although he did the Wales Evening Session, they >wouldn't even let him answer the phones. That profile of Huw the BBC Wales site says his fave band is Gorky's and, quoting the site, "They're his favourite band. He got very drunk and ended up spewin' in a hedge outside and then lying in the rain singing Gorky's songs." The webmaster at BBC Wales as a unique concept of public relations, no? Wonder if Hew even knows of Dab Bloogie or Llwybr Llaethog? Far more compelling Welsh music than Gorky's in my view. tom r From maxbmaxb@... Sun Jan 16 15:18:34 2005 From: maxbmaxb@... (max_bondi) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:18:34 -0000 Subject: Peelenium In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the first Peelenium was broadcast sometime in May of 1999, not sure of the exact date though. As regards the neat sequencing and MP3ing of all the years, well that is what I have done with all the years I've got... took quite a bit of time, but worth it. So all the years from 1964 to 2000 are encoded (also 1940-47), actually as .wav files but can be switched to mp3. They're all edited and saved as individual songs, so on CD they can be played easily: I now have all these years on 7 CDs, with roughly 5 years (20 songs) on to each, and the sound quality is surprisingly good. Anyone with missing years get in touch... From bill.spiby@... Sun Jan 16 15:56:22 2005 From: bill.spiby@... (spib2003) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:56:22 -0000 Subject: Complete F50 broadcasts Message-ID: Does anyone have recording of the Festive 50 broadcasts from the seventies? I have most of the later ones and am more than happy to do a swap. Once I complete the collection, I will happily share them with all who frequent this group. Kind regards Bill Spiby From not_appreciated@... Thu Jan 20 11:14:33 2005 From: not_appreciated@... (faggy_fewster) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:14:33 -0000 Subject: Peel Tribute / Peel at 60 Message-ID: Hi folks, Have any of you by any chance got a copy of the BBC2 tribute program shown shortly after the great man's death? The one I'm talking about started with 30 minutes of tributes from all sorts of folk, then was followed by a repeat of the documentary shown to celebrate John's 60th. I did record it on Sky+ and to my horror the unit subsequently decided to delete it! If any of you know where I could find it online that would be tops, or alternatively perhaps someone could send me a tape / DVD of it. I've got a whole load of old shows, clips, funnies, tracks and clips I could send in return. Thanks in advance, Richard F From r0bertward@... Thu Jan 20 23:32:45 2005 From: r0bertward@... (Robert Ward) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:32:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [peel] Peel Tribute / Peel at 60 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050120223245.74668.qmail@...> you can Torrent it from here (towards the bottom of the page "Turn That Racket Down") http://www2.digitaldistractions.org:8080/torrents.php?showid=7 --- faggy_fewster wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Have any of you by any chance got a copy of the BBC2 > tribute program > shown shortly after the great man's death? The one > I'm talking about > started with 30 minutes of tributes from all sorts > of folk, then was > followed by a repeat of the documentary shown to > celebrate John's > 60th. > > I did record it on Sky+ and to my horror the unit > subsequently > decided to delete it! > > If any of you know where I could find it online that > would be tops, > or alternatively perhaps someone could send me a > tape / DVD of it. > I've got a whole load of old shows, clips, funnies, > tracks and clips > I could send in return. > > Thanks in advance, > > Richard F > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From not_appreciated@... Fri Jan 21 14:40:09 2005 From: not_appreciated@... (faggy_fewster) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:40:09 -0000 Subject: Peel Tribute / Peel at 60 In-Reply-To: <20050120223245.74668.qmail@...> Message-ID: Many thanks. Just the job. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Robert Ward wrote: > you can Torrent it from here (towards the bottom of > the page "Turn That Racket Down") > > http://www2.digitaldistractions.org:8080/torrents.php?showid=7 > > > --- faggy_fewster wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Have any of you by any chance got a copy of the BBC2 > > tribute program > > shown shortly after the great man's death? The one > > I'm talking about > > started with 30 minutes of tributes from all sorts > > of folk, then was > > followed by a repeat of the documentary shown to > > celebrate John's > > 60th. > > > > I did record it on Sky+ and to my horror the unit > > subsequently > > decided to delete it! > > > > If any of you know where I could find it online that > > would be tops, > > or alternatively perhaps someone could send me a > > tape / DVD of it. > > I've got a whole load of old shows, clips, funnies, > > tracks and clips > > I could send in return. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Richard F > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From moomin@... Fri Jan 21 17:47:52 2005 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:47:52 +0000 Subject: Mnemonists Mnemonic In-Reply-To: References: <20050120223245.74668.qmail@...> Message-ID: <2YDTIFC4IT8BFwp$@...> Hello peeps, I've just ordered a reissued CD by the Mnemonists, and I know I've heard them somewhere before, sometime in the early 80s, but I'm not sure where. I can only think it was on Peel. This is bothering me for some reason and I would be grateful if someone also, uh, remembers Peel playing them. They were a very strange group from Colorado. Quiet noise. A bit musique concrete. Ta! -- simon smith From unhcr30@... Fri Jan 21 23:06:07 2005 From: unhcr30@... (unhcr30@...) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:06:07 -0500 Subject: Human-buttons Message-ID: <200501212206.j0LM677T003495@...> This message is about Human beings, Democracy, UNHCR, Refugees, The Iraqis, Islam, Kurds, Human rights, Respect, Money, Donations, Angelina Jolie, Pavarotti, Giorgio Armani, Donors, Peace, History, Campaigns and about you if you care about these words. Hi there, I am SAM, an Iraqi refugee living in Lebanon at the moment; I have spent the last 9 years of my life as a refugee registered with the UNHCR in Beirut. The last 3 years, I have spent as an activist for peace and human rights (especially refugees and asylum seekers) on the Internet; I'm also books author and ebooks publisher. I have launched many campaigns to improve our situation as refugees in Lebanon and hopefully bring more understanding to our problems worldwide. I helped make many changes and improvements at the UNHCR office in Beirut; I used the Internet as the field for my activities (you can read more about that in my free ebook 'MY CAMPAIGNS'). All my e_books could be download from my website: http://www.unhcr.free2w.com all my ebooks are free. My latest campaign is to stop the UNHCR from conducting illegal and humiliating actions, by using photos of refugees as banners and human-buttons to collect money. This is an abuse of the dignity and humanity of the refugees and must stop immediately and a clear public apology present by the United Nations High Commissioner of Refugees. My friends, I am talking about the pictures you can see here: http://www.unhcr.free2w.com/if_human/if_human.htm As I'm a refugee and an activist for human rights, I feel that the problems of refugees are not being solved by the UNHCR in fact their policies are worsening them. I have been saying this since the first day I started my activities and I said then that "If we want to improve the situation of the refugees in the world we must start with changing the policies of the UNHCR," I even wrote this in my books. The people of the UNHCR have used these pictures as banners and buttons to collect money from donors. As a human being and a refugee, I felt these pictures represent a bad and offensive example of the disrespect for our humanity as refugees and asylum seekers. It does nothing to represent the meaning and the principles that were mentioned in the UN51 convention. It fills me with pain and sorrow to see this disrespect to our dignity and humanity and also how they are deceiving the community with these pictures. Unfortunately, the people who work at the UNHCR are working hard to present to you a portrait of a refugee as a poor human being who's problem will end when you donate a few $$$. Please look at their website (just google for the unhcr) and look at the pictures there. Everywhere on the site you'll just see pictures about poor people! They have worked hard to establish a deep-rooted connection between poverty and refugees. Everywhere in the world now if you ask anyone what the word 'refugee' means the answer will be "a poor person who has lost his home", does any one of you know another meaning for the word? They have showed you just one thing: poor people as refugees and they made it clear that by paying some money to them, the problem will be solved; all it needs is financial resources! When you look directly at their websites, the pictures of poor people will grab your attention straight away! For UNHCR, the problem is money only! We all as humans need money, but not only the money! There are many things in the life not only money, for example things like what you could read in my free ebook 'REFUGEES FARM'. When I started to post in Yahoo groups mentioning I'm a refugee, many people didn't believe me, and they asked, "how it was possible for me to have access to the Internet?" I was astonished at the beginning but afterwards I understood the reality of what they were saying and started to post messages telling the truth and because of this the UNHCR declared war on me and prosecuted me. So then I started to call myself "The Truth Warrior" because I am struggling to tell you the truth. I was the first refugee who wrote and published an e-book on the net and the first refugee who wrote and published an e-book about the UNHCR and the first who used the Internet as a weapon in his struggle to survive and to make changes in real life. The people of the UNHCR emphasized the connection between the refugees and poverty and they drew a foggy picture of refugees, creating a strong impression about their poverty, more than the fact they were stateless refugees. They also put forward the idea it was the poverty creating the reality of them being refugees in the first place. Now it is an accepted idea in the world community that a refugee is just a poor person looking for a better life, well this is just not true! The majority of the world doesn't even realize that it is even possible for a millionaire to have to flee his home and be a refugee. Article 1 of the Convention defines a refugee as "A person who is outside his/her country of nationality or habitual residence; has a well-founded fear of persecution because of his/her race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion; and is unable or unwilling to avail himself/herself of the protection of that country, or to return there, for fear of persecution." There is no mention made of the financial situation of the refugee or the degree of poverty he is experiencing, in plain simple words 'poverty does not make someone a refugee'. As I said before "the link between poverty and being a refugee is another thing entirely". Most of the time the situation of the refugees is bad because they have no security, no opportunities to get work and this then does create poverty! Its clear that giving money will not solve the problem, what's needed is real understanding for the problems that refugees are facing and they need global co-operation to solve these problems. This inspired me to adopt my motto: Justice brings peace, freedom brings democracy Understanding is the way. Let me share with you some figures published by the UNHCR itself. The table is on my site here: http://www.unhcr.free2w.com/if_human/if_human.htm >From that table, we can see the total private donations in year 2003 were US$ 20,072,010. Now let's analyze that number, Anyway if we consider the total numbers of asylum seekers and refugees and others of concern to the UNHCR which was 20,556,781 persons published on their table on the 1st of August 2003. Now we need to divide that amount on the number of refugees 20,072,010/20,556,781 guess what? It's equals $0.97! So then each refugee will have a grand sum of $0.97 every year from these donations!!! Yes my friend, they humiliated us for less than $1 a year. Now let me think what I can do with this amount of money in one-year m'mmmm, maybe I can buy 2 bars of Lebanese candy! I registered with UNHCR more than 8 years ago now and until this day I have not received one cent from them! So according to that table they owe me $7.80, a fortune!!! I declare now that I don't want this money ($7.80) I just want them to remove these humiliating pictures and make a public apology. You can ask the UNHCR in Beirut about that point via their email: lebbe@... and please ask them also about the amount of the money that they give for the refugees in Lebanon now. I hope they'll answer you! Don't you think it's strange that it's hard to get answers from the UNHCR! You'll see if you're interesting to know the truth! The big question is: Does all this money come from these human-buttons asking for donations on the UNHCR'S site? Does Pavarotti or Giorgio Armani need these human-buttons to make donations? If they need these buttons and it's a good way for collecting money for the UNHCR why don't they use their own pictures this way to bring more money in for the UNHCR. Also about Angelina Jolie, she is a goodwill Ambassador for the UNHCR and she has worked hard to collect money for the UNHCR, she is pretty and attractive and her picture would make an excellent human-button. They could write on the Angelina Jolie button "make a donation and be like Angelina" or Send a donation to receive thanks from Angelina" do you think that would offend her or the others we spoke about? Why would it does you think??? Her pictures are everywhere so let them use these as a human-button to collect money if they feel it is inoffensive and not dishonorable to her. The last thing about these numbers is the percentage of the amount that different governments contribution to the UNHCR. I read in one table the total is $928,865,984. So what will happen if the UNHCR loses the 20 million that comes from private donors, if they remove the human-buttons of refugees? OK, they will have $908,865,984, but they would be giving respect to the refugees of the world, do you think they care? $0.97 a year makes no difference to a human being but if we divide the same amount between the number of people working for the UNHCR, I believe they have about 5000 employees... so 20,072,010/5000=$4014.40 more than $4000 a year don't you think that makes a difference? I have finished now about the numbers, let us continue about the pictures, and the idea of using the Angelina Jolie, maybe you will say that her picture is already being used on the site of the UNHCR and you would be right! But there are a few differences between her picture and the pictures of the refugees. Angelina's picture isn't used to collect money; it's used to show how much she cares about people and her help for the UNHCR. When you click on her picture, you read about Angelina, but when you click on the human-button of the refugees you find a form to donate money. The important difference being this, Angelina's picture gives you her name, dates and history. The human-buttons, say nothing about the people on them, no names, no dates, nothing! This pushed me to find out more about these human-buttons. I found out the truth about the picture on the Iraqi banner in the page about Iraq, and the button on this page to donate money. I wrote about it in my book "THE TRUTH WARRIOR" I could tell you quickly about it now, for more details please look in the book. This is a picture of a Kurdish family, and it was taken in 1991! So that was 13 years ago!!! The funny thing is that they used it to illustrate and draw attention to an event that happened last year, writing on it "IRAQ EMERGENCY" strange to speak about an emergency and use a 13 year old picture don't you think? Do you know why they used that picture? Because it was easy... they had it already, no new refugees crisis happened during the last war with the USA on Iraq in 2003! Guess what? This picture shows a Kurdish family fleeing by crossing the border near Suleymaniye in the north of Iraq! The problem now, of course is the returning of refugees who left during Saddam's rule. The age of the picture and the fact it was taken for a different reason, it's deceptive and dishonest act. I would have thought that a big organization like the UNHCR would be able to get a more modern picture of what is happening. They receive information daily and I am sure they don't need to resort to 13-year-old pictures; this information is from the last century!!! Maybe now there are not any pictures of Iraqi refugees to encourage donors to click the human-button! What a pity for the people of the UNHCR and for the refugees, especially the Iraqis. I wonder, how old the other pictures? Do you feel that the picture shows the real situation of Iraqi refugees now? Are the Iraqis still fleeing and seeking refuge outside Iraq? The truth is always painful. The UNHCR has stopped receiving new applications form Iraqis seeking help, and when an Iraqi goes to the UNHCR in Beirut to ask for assistance they are told that the only help they can get is repatriation to Iraq. At the moment Iraqi refugees are scattered around the world, Many countries are offering to help return Iraqis home. These countries governments mostly finance these plans. For example in England the government has offered $1000 plus the cost of their flight home to each refugee. In Lebanon, we are not sure about the amount of financial support for those wishing to return home, but someone who had gone home told me that it was about $40 informed me, the source of the money was also unclear. Some people are saying that this money is from unknown Iraqi parties and some say the Iraqi Embassy in Beirut. I am currently looking for more information on this matter. Anyway I don't feel the $40 dollars given to refugees in Lebanon is worth anything. Especially when viewed against the $1000 given by most European countries. The question is this: If there is no refugee crisis in Iraq and the financial support is being paid for by the governments where these people are, why is the UNHCR still asking for money using pictures of Iraqi refugees? One more important question about that picture, do you think that the people who work for the UNHCR know anything about this woman or her family? Are they registered refugees? What is her name and where are they all now? Do you think she agreed to have her picture put on the web and used as a human-button? I would love to know the answers to these questions, but unfortunately I can't ask the people at the UNHCR even though I tried many times over the years. They never answer any questions! Instead they have tried to hurt me and even tried to get my ISP to cut my connection! I hope one day you get the chance to ask them, and that maybe they will answer you. They didn't answer any of my friends who sent them messages. So please if you like, let us play their game and be a little cheeky. I hope that one of you can contact them and tell them you want to donate money to help the family they showed in the picture. Not telling them of course that you know the picture is old. Just tell them you want to sponsor that family. Notice that they wrote on it 'Emergency' so it's good to help them out! I'll wait with baited breath to hear their answers. What do you think the answer will be? What do you think she would feel like if she saw her picture used like that, and what if her family sees her like this or someone in her village? She is a Moslem woman and to expose herself like this is a sin in Islam. Did you notice she uses two pieces of cloth to cover her head? The UNHCR using picture of Moslem woman on the net as a banner and as a human-button to collect money where millions of men could see her!!! That is a very big sin in Islam. As I'm a Moslem and I am sure the UNHCR haven't asked the woman's permission to display her picture publicly like they are doing now, I am asking them to respect the Islamic religion and apologize to the woman and remove her picture immediately. Also I am asking each Moslem person reading this article to express their concern about this sin, which is being committed by the UNHCR for the sake of this woman and her family. Every Moslem knows what sin is, and it is also a sin to be silent when you see a wrong being committed. I am asking each Moslem to contact the UNHCR and express your opinion as we are guided to do by Islam. I'm asking Moslems particularly and all members of other religions generally, to express concern about the abuse of refugees because all religions are based on respect for the dignity of all humanity. There is a legal point of view for this subject: The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees was established by the U.N. General Assembly in 1950. According to the UN51 convention and the Statute of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (G.A. res. 428 (V), annex, 5 U.N. GAOR Supp. (No. 20) at 46, U.N. Doc. A/1775 (1950)). "CHAPTER II. - FUNCTIONS OF THE HIGH COMMISSIONER 10. The High Commissioner shall administer any funds, public or private, which he receives for assistance to refugees, and shall distribute them among the private and, as appropriate, public agencies which he deems best qualified to administer such assistance. The High Commissioner may reject any offers which he does not consider appropriate or which cannot be utilized. The High Commissioner shall not appeal to governments for funds or make a general appeal, without the prior approval of the General Assembly. The High Commissioner shall include in his annual report a statement of his activities in this field." As you can see the UNHCR must have permission from the General assembly for any general appeal for money. The question is: Did the General Assembly agree to use these pictures to appeal for funds? I would sincerely love to receive an answer, I am a refugee and I feel it is an abuse of our humanity as refugees in this world. Its not just abuse for our humanity as refugees but for the humanity of all humans. We appeal to you to support this campaign to remove these abuses and to provide more respect for all refugees worldwide. Our situation in the world worsens day after day without any new polices to help or improve our situation. The UNHCR uses us as human-buttons and baits to collect money! Our problem is not only because of poverty it's because the general abuse of the meaning and the principles of UN51 convention because of these money collectors in UNHCR and other organizations. This abuse must stop immediately. If UNHCR needs money so badly, there must be other respectable and honorable ways to make general and public appeals for money. For example using buttons like paypal provides for donation without any humiliating pictures of humans at all. I'm not saying that the people of UNHCR are all bad, they're just part of a system and they have their procedures and regulations. I just wanted to explain some of our feelings as refugees. To offer my understanding of the relationship between the refugees and the UNHCR. I'm an eyewitness to that relationship, trying hard to improve the relationship using my campaigns, my books and my unanswered questions. I feel sad because the UNHCR has failed in the past 3 years to answer my questions. Until this day they failed to answer even one question! I'm not asking for the impossible. I just want some answers, as I'm a refugee, as I'm a human and as I'm an activist for human rights. All that gives me the right to ask and to have my questions answered. I invite you as fellow humans and members of the world community to support my mission by asking the UNHCR to remove these abuses and to provide some reasonable answers for the questions that you have read in this article. This invitation is a very important as part of the collective efforts to enhance respect for human rights, and for global peace. The UNHCR represent an important constituent of our community, as humans and any failure in its performance will weaken the harmony and peace of the world. We're living in a time where wars are declared to liberate people from despotism and further democracy and human rights. Blood is being shed now to improve democracy and respect for human rights. Do we need wars and to shed blood every time we face disregard for human rights and democracy?! Isn't there any peaceful way? I have heard many people claim that they're working to help the refugees and human rights activists and some of them are collecting money also. I'm asking these people: What are you doing to help refugees and enhance human rights and respect our humanity? I'd like to know, and if you have nothing to do now, you can start work and help refugees by working to remove these abuses and humiliations for all humans. Contact the UNHCR and ask them about these pictures and tell them that these pictures are an abuse of refugees' dignity and humanity, when you can do this then we can see that you really care about refugees. I don't have any money to pay you but if you would like to help us in our struggle and you respect our humanity as refugees in the world, then we would be very thankful for this help. I'm an E-book publisher and I will be publishing many more E-books in the future. I would like to have answers to the questions in this article and since the people at the UNHCR refused to answer my questions, I declare now that I'll give free access to all of the E-books I will write in my lifetime to the first person who will find the answers to my many questions concerning the UNHCR. He/she will be a hero of all refugees and I'll write about them what they would like. I can't give them a medal now, but we will give them our love and our thanks as refugees. Please, if you think this issue is important and needs acts, you can send messages to the UNHCR and your government to speak your opinions according to your rights and the democracy. Here are some emails: ecu@...,inquiries@...,Hqpr00@...,tb-petitions@...,info@... Notice that you can find more emails on my website or you can brows for more on the net or to find more ways for contact them like phones or faxes. Together we will build better world. You could reach me fast via this form: http://www.unhcr.us/unhcrus/email_me.htm and if you like to know more about me, you can google for my name 'osam altaee'. Thanks THE TRUTH WARRIOR OSAM ALTAEE http://www.unhcr.free2w.com From troche@... Sat Jan 22 01:27:21 2005 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:27:21 -0500 Subject: From something called contactmusic.com Message-ID: PEEL BIOGRAPHY PULPED OVER LIBEL FEARS An unauthorised biography of late DJ JOHN PEEL has been withdrawn from sale after a third party complained it libelled them. Author MICK WALL's book JOHN PEEL was published in November (04) less than a month after the legendary British radio presenter died from a heart attack, while holidaying in Peru. A spokesperson for Wall's ORION PUBLISHING house has confirmed the tome has been taken off shelves but otherwise refused to comment. TRANSWORLD PUBLISHING bought Peel's official memoirs in 2003 and suspect Wall's unofficial book may have contained inaccuracies because it was rush-released, to cash in on Peel's demise. Transworld publisher PATRICK JANSON-SMITH says, "Unlike those ambulance-chasers at Orion, we have some sense and decency." 21/01/2005 17:51 http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/peel%20biography%20pulped%20over%20libel%20fears From cynicaldj@... Fri Jan 28 03:05:27 2005 From: cynicaldj@... (cynicaldj) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:05:27 -0000 Subject: Are You Keeping It Peel? Message-ID: Good evening, As expected, during this break between the Peel Programme and the New Series starting next Tuesday, both Peel Groups have been quiet. To remind you the "replacements" for John Peel, namely: Huw Stephens (Tue)Ras Kwame (Wed), and Rob Da Bank (Thurs.) start their Programmes next week. Out of idle curiosity, has anyone been listening to the Peel Slots for the last couple of weeks, or just taken a break? Goodnight. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/PeelFM/ From stuart@... Fri Jan 28 15:35:13 2005 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:35:13 +0000 Subject: Are You Keeping It Peel? In-Reply-To: <1106920879.144.53800.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1106920879.144.53800.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >As expected, during this break between the Peel Programme and the New >Series starting next Tuesday, both Peel Groups have been quiet. > >To remind you the "replacements" for John Peel, namely: Huw Stephens >(Tue)Ras Kwame (Wed), and Rob Da Bank (Thurs.) start their Programmes >next week. > >Out of idle curiosity, has anyone been listening to the Peel Slots >for the last couple of weeks, or just taken a break? I've been taking a break. The Peel slot was always my 'slot' of choice for late-night listening, even though the likes of Mark Radcliffe and Jim Gellatly (on Beat 106) also found themselves in that time, thanks to unenlightened programmers. Their shows were less appealing tome than Peel's, but more so than at least one of the new-Iook Radio One shows. Plus, I also have a brand new digital radio courtesy of the missus at Xmas, so my choice is even greater. I will probably give all 3 programmes a chance over the next wee while, but I feel no 'loyalty' to Radio One, indeed I always swore that I would finish with the station if they sacked Peel (which they'd seemed to be on the brink of many times over the years). Stuart -- is this music? po box 13516 linlithgow eh49 6wb tel: 01506 840063 email:editor@... From martinw@... Sat Jan 29 13:20:55 2005 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:20:55 +0000 Subject: Peel Interview From 1983 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20050129121921.02f45e70@...> WFMU have a 1983 Peel interview on this page Its Real Audio or MP3. The whole show is there but you can just stream from the point you want http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/14000 From paul@... Sat Jan 29 18:25:54 2005 From: paul@... (Paul Webster) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:25:54 -0000 Subject: [peel] Peel Interview From 1983 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20050129121921.02f45e70@...> Message-ID: <009301c50627$9722ab10$0201a8c0@...> > WFMU have a 1983 Peel interview on this page > Its Real Audio or MP3. The whole show is there but you > can just stream from the point you want > > http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/14000 Thanks for that. It translates to http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/kdb/mp3jump.mp3/1:35:27/0/IC/ic050126.m p3 and the piece runs for 29:06 You might be able to do as "Save Target As" using my link above. Note though - it will run from the start of the piece to the end of the show (about 64MB). (it is about 20MB for the interview and closing announcements) Not enough space to upload it into the Yahoo files section - but if anyone has a spare 20MB somewhere then I'd be happy to upload to it. Paul From d.mckinnon@... Mon Jan 31 08:57:37 2005 From: d.mckinnon@... (McKINNON Dougal) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:57:37 -0000 Subject: Observer article on the three "One Music" DJs Message-ID: >From yesterday's Observer http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1401519,00.html dougal mckinnon E-mail: d.mckinnon@... The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer.