From anderson@... Fri Oct 1 00:58:52 2004 From: anderson@... (gjanderson3) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:58:52 -0000 Subject: Delgados session Message-ID: Did anyone get a copy of the delgados session last week? If so, let me know as I'd love a copy. Managed to listen to it from the BBC website, but with dial up connection, not the best quality. mp3 files or a CD would be great and I'd try and find something to send in return Thanks Graeme From keith@... Wed Oct 6 10:15:54 2004 From: keith@... (keith hawley) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:15:54 +0100 Subject: Ken Garner book on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20041006091345.03a2d600@...> I am not the seller here, so am not spamming. Just thought (since discussed recently) people may be interested in this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2492632515&ssPageName=ADME:X:ON:UK:2 (it's already gone above what I was willing to pay though....) k From festive50@... Fri Oct 8 00:14:26 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:14:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Ken Garner book on eBay In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20041006091345.03a2d600@...> Message-ID: About 2 years ago there was a posting, possibly from Ken himself. About obtaining a copy from Ken Garner, who was selling off surplus copies for ?10-00. I took up this offer and received a signed copy. If anyone is interested, I'll dig his contact details out. Phil -----Original Message----- From: keith hawley [mailto:keith@...] Sent: 06 October 2004 09:16 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Ken Garner book on eBay I am not the seller here, so am not spamming. Just thought (since discussed recently) people may be interested in this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24926325 15&ssPageName=ADME:X:ON:UK:2 (it's already gone above what I was willing to pay though....) k From troche@... Fri Oct 8 02:09:38 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:09:38 -0400 Subject: Garner Book on e-bay In-Reply-To: <1097057703.173.13108.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1097057703.173.13108.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I was on holiday in London in about 1997, and walking through a SoHo bookstore that seemed to specialize in overstock and discount books, there was a 4 foot high stack of unsold Ken Garner Peel Sessions books, for 7 pounds 99 each. I bought one for myself, and then thought and thought who else back in the States might want one as a gift, and could think of no one. (Peel listeners in the States, then as now, but even more so in the pre-internet era, are few and far between. Too busy attending G H W Bush rallies I guess.) I then considered buying more than one copy just for myself, but when you are on holiday you tire of carrying shopping parcels all day. 36 pounds with 5 days to go. Oh well. tom r atlanta From moomin@... Fri Oct 8 03:30:33 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 02:30:33 +0100 Subject: Status Quo In-Reply-To: References: <1097057703.173.13108.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <6IHceMW52eZBFwRq@...> What's this thing with Status Quo? Peel never played their music or sang their praises in all the time I was listening in the late 70s 80s or 90s. Have I missed something? -- simon smith From rockerq@... Fri Oct 8 10:26:53 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:26:53 EDT Subject: [peel] Status Quo Message-ID: << Have I missed something? >> It's called "Irony" Rocker From martinw@... Fri Oct 8 11:10:58 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:10:58 +0100 Subject: [peel] Status Quo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041008095735.00c5c548@...> At 04:26 08/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: > ><< Have I missed something? >> > >It's called "Irony" > >Rocker I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area of Radio 1 martinw From scooke@... Fri Oct 8 15:18:13 2004 From: scooke@... (Stefan Cooke) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [peel] Status Quo In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20041008095735.00c5c548@...> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041008095735.00c5c548@...> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Martin Wheatley wrote: > I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records > Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area > of Radio 1 I was at the Reading Festival in 1978, which John MC'd. Status Quo was headlining on Saturday, following Spirit, who put on a spellbinding set (and I was there for all the punk bands). I was (and am) a huge Peel fan, but the way he urged the crowd to stop shouting for more from Spirit so that the Quo could play a longer set was surprising. I also went to a couple of Peel Roadshows in the Cambridge area at around the same time, and he would always play Status Quo. Stefan From kybosh@... Fri Oct 8 15:48:37 2004 From: kybosh@... (Kybosh) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:48:37 +0100 Subject: [peel] Status Quo In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041008095735.00c5c548@...> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:18:13 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Cooke wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Martin Wheatley wrote: > >> I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records >> Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area >> of Radio 1 > > I was at the Reading Festival in 1978, which John MC'd. > Status Quo was headlining on Saturday, following Spirit, who > put on a spellbinding set (and I was there for all the punk > bands). I was (and am) a huge Peel fan, but the way he > urged the crowd to stop shouting for more from Spirit so > that the Quo could play a longer set was surprising. > > I also went to a couple of Peel Roadshows in the Cambridge > area at around the same time, and he would always play > Status Quo. I thought he'd gone off them when they agreed to play apartheid South Africa but either I'm mistaken or he'd forgived or forgotten about that - I know I had till I read something recently that reminded me. -- Kybosh From troche@... Sat Oct 9 02:47:41 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:47:41 -0400 Subject: 1999 Garner Post To Peel List In-Reply-To: <1097275594.239.26831.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1097275594.239.26831.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Because I am a computer pack rack, saving everything, I've unearthed Ken Garner's first post to the first Peel list.. Maybe Ken is still on board with us? Maybe the address he gives is still valid? tom r Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:14:02 -0400 To: troche@... From: kenandmagda@... (Ken Garner and Magda Pieczka) (by way of Max Bialystock) Subject: Re: [peel] Glorious Nights From: kenandmagda@... (Ken Garner and Magda Pieczka) Andy Smith and Stuart McHugh's comments on remembering glorious nights of sessions has prompted me to let you know about an occasional service I might be able to offer long-standing listeners. As a by-product of my research for my book INSESSION TONIGHT, I produced four copies only of an 80 page confidential document which I called the PEELOGRAPHY. Working from programme scripts, John Walters' & Mike Hawkes' scheduling wall-charts, and session sheets, this is a complete chronology of every show presented by Peel on Radio 1 from 1.10.67 to 26.9.92. It lists sessions, repeats, interviews, Live/festival O/Bs, concerts, specials, but NOT normally the records (that would have been very hard and made it a hugely unwieldy document - however, I do possess my print-outs of the complete running orders of every show from 67 to June 1978 used for my book - somewhere in a box in the attic!). Well, I say complete, but there are some gaps in the years 1978-1992 (like, for example, Monday 26 March 1984 - Thur 29 March 1984: anyone know?). I have one copy, Peel has the second, Radio 1 archivist Phil Lawton has the third, and the fourth is in the National Sound Archive, the audio department of the British Library, St Pancras, London - which, in case you didn't know, has been taping Peel representatively once or twice a month since the late 70s. You can't take stuff out, but you can write and make an appointment to listen to stuff (records, radio) but only if you can tell them EXACTLY what you're looking for, of course. Also, their open-access reference library is a great place to look up old music papers and discographies etc. If this fires you up, write to Andy Linehan, Popular music curator. A top man. Anyway, I expect with help from the rest of you I could update this PEELOGRAPHY for 1992-1998. I know some of you will have kept Peel diaries (Stephen Wood???), as I did for certain periods (me: 76-78, 84-87; 90-92). If people posted fragmentary diaries to the list (say March-May 1996, for example) I could pull them all together over time to form our own little resource and contribution to broadcasting history. All contributions acknowledged of course, etc. But, for the moment: Andy: ****Monday 28th May 1984 (Whitsun Bank Holiday night) Radio 1, 10pm-midnight: ****Repeats of Cocteau Twins first session and The Smiths first session, and repeat of Smiths session two. Possibly pre-taped for holiday reasons (the use of three, not two sessions, in a two-hour show marks it out as highly unusual). Is that the one? Ken PS. Magda and I were only at the Art School last night for the Delgados set, which kicked off at 9.50pm and must have finished about 10.45pm. We'd had a long day including a distressing funeral for a dear close friend and needed our beds. The broadcast sets, of course, were time-shifted and edited-in to the show. As Magda said, the Delgados, at their best, do make a "nice noise" (They appeared to have added keyboards as well as the strings and flute for the gig). Someone I didn't recognise in my tired state said hello to me. Sorry if it was one of you. Ken Garner & Magda Pieczka 39 Camphill Avenue Glasgow, G41 3AX, United Kingdom Tel/Fax/Ans: -44-(0)141-636 0302 Ken's Work Tel: -44-(0)141-331 3258 Lecturer, Department of Language and Media, Glasgow Caledonian University, G4 0BA, UK e-mail: K.Garner@... Magda's Work Tel: -44-(0)1786-466222 Lecturer, Department of Film and Media Studies, Stirling University, FK9 4LA, UK e-mail: magda.pieczka@... "To be happy at home is the ultimate result of all ambition" ~ Samuel Johnson, Rambler 68, Saturday 10th November 1750. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... http://www.onelist.com ...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! From mar.celle@... Sat Oct 9 12:23:46 2004 From: mar.celle@... (Marcelle van Hoof) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:23:46 +0200 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 816 References: <1097275594.239.26831.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000c01c4adea$1010b760$0a1379c3@3> Hello, in my pre-punk days I bought some Status Quo singles and the extensive sleevenotes on my Roll Over Lay Down single (from 1975) are written by Peel.... and he is very enthusiastic about them (if anyone wants the full text let me know....) Marcelle (from Amsterdam) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: [peel] Digest Number 816 > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Garner Book on e-bay > From: Tom Roche > 2. Status Quo > From: simon smith > 3. Re: Status Quo > From: rockerq@... > 4. Re: Status Quo > From: Martin Wheatley > 5. Re: Status Quo > From: Stefan Cooke > 6. Re: Status Quo > From: Kybosh > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:09:38 -0400 > From: Tom Roche > Subject: Garner Book on e-bay > > I was on holiday in London in about 1997, and walking through a SoHo bookstore that seemed to specialize in overstock and discount books, there was a 4 foot high stack of unsold Ken Garner Peel Sessions books, for 7 pounds 99 each. > > I bought one for myself, and then thought and thought who else back in the States might want one as a gift, and could think of no one. (Peel listeners in the States, then as now, but even more so in the pre-internet era, are few and far between. Too busy attending G H W Bush rallies I guess.) > > I then considered buying more than one copy just for myself, but when you are on holiday you tire of carrying shopping parcels all day. > > 36 pounds with 5 days to go. Oh well. > > tom r > atlanta > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 02:30:33 +0100 > From: simon smith > Subject: Status Quo > > > What's this thing with Status Quo? Peel never played their music or sang > their praises in all the time I was listening in the late 70s 80s or > 90s. Have I missed something? > > -- > simon smith > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:26:53 EDT > From: rockerq@... > Subject: Re: Status Quo > > << Have I missed something? >> > > It's called "Irony" > > Rocker > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:10:58 +0100 > From: Martin Wheatley > Subject: Re: Status Quo > > At 04:26 08/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > ><< Have I missed something? >> > > > >It's called "Irony" > > > >Rocker > > I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records > Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area > of Radio 1 > > martinw > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:18:13 +0000 (UTC) > From: Stefan Cooke > Subject: Re: Status Quo > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records > > Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area > > of Radio 1 > > I was at the Reading Festival in 1978, which John MC'd. > Status Quo was headlining on Saturday, following Spirit, who > put on a spellbinding set (and I was there for all the punk > bands). I was (and am) a huge Peel fan, but the way he > urged the crowd to stop shouting for more from Spirit so > that the Quo could play a longer set was surprising. > > I also went to a couple of Peel Roadshows in the Cambridge > area at around the same time, and he would always play > Status Quo. > > Stefan > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:48:37 +0100 > From: Kybosh > Subject: Re: Status Quo > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:18:13 +0000 (UTC), Stefan Cooke > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Martin Wheatley wrote: > > > >> I think he now genuinely likes some of their old records > >> Probably he always did but they moved into the 'pop' area > >> of Radio 1 > > > > I was at the Reading Festival in 1978, which John MC'd. > > Status Quo was headlining on Saturday, following Spirit, who > > put on a spellbinding set (and I was there for all the punk > > bands). I was (and am) a huge Peel fan, but the way he > > urged the crowd to stop shouting for more from Spirit so > > that the Quo could play a longer set was surprising. > > > > I also went to a couple of Peel Roadshows in the Cambridge > > area at around the same time, and he would always play > > Status Quo. > > I thought he'd gone off them when they agreed to play apartheid South > Africa but either I'm mistaken or he'd forgived or forgotten about that - > I know I had till I read something recently that reminded me. > > -- > Kybosh > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From gabis@... Tue Oct 12 18:55:43 2004 From: gabis@... (test28305) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:55:43 -0000 Subject: Playlists of old Peel programs? Message-ID: Hi, I have a couple of cassettes with John Peel programs from 1982-1983, but many tracks are cut down, so I have no clue what is being played. I identified Joy Division, Cure, and even Minor Threat, but some tracks are hardcracks for me. I am quite fond of a track apparently called "ventilator", early German synthpop at its worst ;-) Is there anywhere a playlist of Peel programs from that era? Thanks, Gabi. From kybosh@... Wed Oct 13 01:49:55 2004 From: kybosh@... (Mark) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:49:55 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] Playlists of old Peel programs? References: Message-ID: <416C6DA3.000001.17841@T3O2M9> I found some a lot older than the BBC site - http://www.avistic.demon.co uk/playlists/1992/53.txt - but none as far back as you wanted. you might try getting hold of old Ceefax records they used to be on page 652 for many years before this thing we call the Internet took off. I might try myself out of curiosity :) -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/12/04 17:55:58 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Playlists of old Peel programs? I have a couple of cassettes with John Peel programs from 1982-1983, Is there anywhere a playlist of Peel programs from that era? Thanks, Gabi. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/JPJolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links From martinw@... Wed Oct 13 10:04:33 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:04:33 +0100 Subject: [peel] Playlists of old Peel programs? In-Reply-To: <416C6DA3.000001.17841@T3O2M9> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041013085839.00c5b498@...> At 00:49 13/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > I found some a lot older than the BBC site - http://www.avistic.demon.co >uk/playlists/1992/53.txt - but none as far back as you wanted. you might try >getting hold of old Ceefax records they used to be on page 652 for many >years before this thing we call the Internet took off. I might try myself >out of curiosity :) That's Lorcan's page - I don't know if he is still on this list. There is an e-mail address on the page you could write to. He may personally have some older lists (note that on the message quoted above a dot has gone missing in the URL - its demon.co.uk) I suspect there is very little chance of you finding what you want! Playlists from a show that went out 22 years ago is asking a lot If people could hear the track you mention it's just possible someone might be able to identify it I wish you luck - you are going to need it. martinw From spreadthelove@... Fri Oct 15 09:10:24 2004 From: spreadthelove@... (Bruno Schmidt) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:10:24 +0000 Subject: date of sundays - peel session in 89 Message-ID: hello, speaking of dates of sessions. does anyone know the date of the '89 peel session the sundays did? i've run into some mp3s of the session, but i can't find any info. bru _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From martinw@... Fri Oct 15 11:35:06 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:35:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] date of sundays - peel session in 89 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041015103321.00c59c60@...> At 07:10 15/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >hello, > >speaking of dates of sessions. does anyone know the date of the '89 peel >session the sundays did? i've run into some mp3s of the session, but i can't >find any info. > >bru > Recorded 28-2-89 Broadcast 6-3-89 Tracks : I Won/My Finest Hour/Skin And Bones From simon@... Sat Oct 16 11:09:45 2004 From: simon@... (simon b) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:09:45 +0100 Subject: the sundays In-Reply-To: <1097871131.192.40198.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <1FC13A88-1F53-11D9-882A-0003939767C6@...> On Friday, October 15, 2004, at 09:12 pm, peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: >> speaking of dates of sessions. does anyone know the date of the '89 >> peel >> session the sundays did? i've run into some mp3s of the session, but >> i can't >> find any info. >> >> bru >> > > Recorded 28-2-89 Broadcast 6-3-89 > > Tracks : I Won/My Finest Hour/Skin And Bones > > this being the one where Peel, reading the band listing, got into a huge side thing about how his mum was called Harriet, only she wasn't; she just sent a card one day saying "Henceforward I wish to be known as Harriet" -- simon http://xrrf.blogspot.com <--- waiting for Chris Moyles with some sort of gaffer tape From spreadthelove@... Sat Oct 16 19:05:16 2004 From: spreadthelove@... (Bruno Schmidt) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:05:16 +0000 Subject: date of sundays - peel session in 89 Message-ID: hello, thanks for the speedy information! much appreciated bruno _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From leohilarious@... Mon Oct 18 18:14:36 2004 From: leohilarious@... (leohilarious) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:14:36 -0000 Subject: Ken Garner book on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't think the book is available through Ken anymore... read the FAQ here: http://www.vheissu.freeserve.co.uk/ He was doing this for a while, but seems he stopped or ran out about a year ago. ~Leo --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Edwards" wrote: > About 2 years ago there was a posting, possibly from Ken himself. About > obtaining a copy from Ken Garner, who was selling off surplus copies for > ?10-00. I took up this offer and received a signed copy. If anyone is > interested, I'll dig his contact details out. > Phil > From festive50@... Tue Oct 19 22:50:33 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:50:33 +0100 Subject: [peel] 1999 Garner Post To Peel List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi I promised to dig out his contact details about 2 weeks ago. I mislaid them and seeing last nights post and link to web site, prompted me to have another dig around. I then thought he might not like his details broadcast, so I started to compose an e-mail asking his permission. Well, you've saved me the trouble Tom. The letter I have from Ken, which accompanied the book, is dated 1/7/01 and all his contact details are identical to those in your post. So good luck to those who seek this "Holy Grail". My only regret is that I didn't order 2, as my copy is well and truly dog-eared. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roche [mailto:troche@...] Sent: 09 October 2004 01:48 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] 1999 Garner Post To Peel List Because I am a computer pack rack, saving everything, I've unearthed Ken Garner's first post to the first Peel list.. Maybe Ken is still on board with us? Maybe the address he gives is still valid? tom r Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:14:02 -0400 To: troche@... From: kenandmagda@... (Ken Garner and Magda Pieczka) (by way of Max Bialystock) Subject: Re: [peel] Glorious Nights From: kenandmagda@... (Ken Garner and Magda Pieczka) Andy Smith and Stuart McHugh's comments on remembering glorious nights of sessions has prompted me to let you know about an occasional service I might be able to offer long-standing listeners. As a by-product of my research for my book INSESSION TONIGHT, I produced four copies only of an 80 page confidential document which I called the PEELOGRAPHY. Working from programme scripts, John Walters' & Mike Hawkes' scheduling wall-charts, and session sheets, this is a complete chronology of every show presented by Peel on Radio 1 from 1.10.67 to 26.9.92. It lists sessions, repeats, interviews, Live/festival O/Bs, concerts, specials, but NOT normally the records (that would have been very hard and made it a hugely unwieldy document - however, I do possess my print-outs of the complete running orders of every show from 67 to June 1978 used for my book - somewhere in a box in the attic!). Well, I say complete, but there are some gaps in the years 1978-1992 (like, for example, Monday 26 March 1984 - Thur 29 March 1984: anyone know?). I have one copy, Peel has the second, Radio 1 archivist Phil Lawton has the third, and the fourth is in the National Sound Archive, the audio department of the British Library, St Pancras, London - which, in case you didn't know, has been taping Peel representatively once or twice a month since the late 70s. You can't take stuff out, but you can write and make an appointment to listen to stuff (records, radio) but only if you can tell them EXACTLY what you're looking for, of course. Also, their open-access reference library is a great place to look up old music papers and discographies etc. If this fires you up, write to Andy Linehan, Popular music curator. A top man. Anyway, I expect with help from the rest of you I could update this PEELOGRAPHY for 1992-1998. I know some of you will have kept Peel diaries (Stephen Wood???), as I did for certain periods (me: 76-78, 84-87; 90-92). If people posted fragmentary diaries to the list (say March-May 1996, for example) I could pull them all together over time to form our own little resource and contribution to broadcasting history. All contributions acknowledged of course, etc. But, for the moment: Andy: ****Monday 28th May 1984 (Whitsun Bank Holiday night) Radio 1, 10pm-midnight: ****Repeats of Cocteau Twins first session and The Smiths first session, and repeat of Smiths session two. Possibly pre-taped for holiday reasons (the use of three, not two sessions, in a two-hour show marks it out as highly unusual). Is that the one? Ken PS. Magda and I were only at the Art School last night for the Delgados set, which kicked off at 9.50pm and must have finished about 10.45pm. We'd had a long day including a distressing funeral for a dear close friend and needed our beds. The broadcast sets, of course, were time-shifted and edited-in to the show. As Magda said, the Delgados, at their best, do make a "nice noise" (They appeared to have added keyboards as well as the strings and flute for the gig). Someone I didn't recognise in my tired state said hello to me. Sorry if it was one of you. Ken Garner & Magda Pieczka 39 Camphill Avenue Glasgow, G41 3AX, United Kingdom Tel/Fax/Ans: -44-(0)141-636 0302 Ken's Work Tel: -44-(0)141-331 3258 Lecturer, Department of Language and Media, Glasgow Caledonian University, G4 0BA, UK e-mail: K.Garner@... Magda's Work Tel: -44-(0)1786-466222 Lecturer, Department of Film and Media Studies, Stirling University, FK9 4LA, UK e-mail: magda.pieczka@... "To be happy at home is the ultimate result of all ambition" ~ Samuel Johnson, Rambler 68, Saturday 10th November 1750. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With more than 17 million e-mails exchanged daily... http://www.onelist.com ...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! Yahoo! Groups Links From festive50@... Wed Oct 20 01:26:28 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:26:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] Playlists of old Peel programs? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20041013085839.00c5b498@...> Message-ID: Lorcan's site folded a couple of years ago. Up to that time, I was in e-mail contact with him and he had a friend who had some software to download the pages from Teletext to create the site. I doubt if his e-mail is still in existence as it was a work one (from memory a bank in Dublin). Prior to it's demise, I downloaded it in it's entirety and then DL'd the Teletext pages myself until my video capture card gave up the ghost and finally the BBC listings until they changed the format. I also have in excess of 500 tapes going back to 1987 (with a few FF's prior to this). Copies of approx 60 of these tapes I provided to Niag for his Cat's Caravan FF site. I also have just under 500 real audio files of JP's shows from June 2002 - the present. Apart from the real audio files most of it now resides in an Access database (nearly 6000 records). I planned to base a website on all of this data and files but lost interest due to other commitments. Anyway bottom line. Anyone interested in a copy of this database to carry on with this project or for his or her own interest? Anyone got large enough web space where I can upload these ra files (13 Gb)? Phil P.S. Anyone know of a decent Utility for converting .ra files to .MP3 (preferably free). F -----Original Message----- From: Martin Wheatley [mailto:martinw@...] Sent: 13 October 2004 09:05 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Playlists of old Peel programs? At 00:49 13/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > I found some a lot older than the BBC site - http://www.avistic.demon.co >uk/playlists/1992/53.txt - but none as far back as you wanted. you might try >getting hold of old Ceefax records they used to be on page 652 for many >years before this thing we call the Internet took off. I might try myself >out of curiosity :) That's Lorcan's page - I don't know if he is still on this list. There is an e-mail address on the page you could write to. He may personally have some older lists (note that on the message quoted above a dot has gone missing in the URL - its demon.co.uk) I suspect there is very little chance of you finding what you want! Playlists from a show that went out 22 years ago is asking a lot If people could hear the track you mention it's just possible someone might be able to identify it I wish you luck - you are going to need it. martinw From martinw@... Tue Oct 26 01:22:22 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:22:22 +0100 Subject: Stand In Presenters Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041026001210.00c88fa0@...> I am curious to know what people thought of last weeks shows and the stand in presenters I really liked the Underworld show. Not really Peel but they do know about putting records together that suit each other and it really worked The Siouxsie show was a bit obvious - everyone represented by their greatest hit. Also her voice is cracking up and turning into Marianne Faithful which didn't help! Robert Smith was like one of us doing it. A genuine musical enthusiast. I wish he had played that alternate session version of 'Grinding Halt' that he talked about since it was very good. His family weren't the only people who taped it at the time! 2 hits and a miss I think martinw From sete.colinas@... Tue Oct 26 01:30:21 2004 From: sete.colinas@... (Leo Gilbert) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:30:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] Stand In Presenters In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20041026001210.00c88fa0@...> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041026001210.00c88fa0@...> Message-ID: Yes, I'd been wondering if people were going to comment on the shows. One doesn't like to be cruel, and I'm sure that I would have done a hopeless job in their place, but I regret to say that I found Tuesday's and Wednesday's shows virtually unlistenbable. The music was okay, but what came between was painful. Robert Smith was great, though. That Smashing Pumpkins track he began with is my favourite tune for this week, and he had a lovely genuine air about him. I'm not looking forward to Rob Da Bank, though. I've never heard anything he's done, but with a name like that, well... Hurry back, John. Did I hear on Home Truths that he's gone to Peru? Leo On 26 Oct 2004, at 00:22, Martin Wheatley wrote: > I am curious to know what people thought of last weeks shows > and the stand in presenters > > I really liked the Underworld show.   Not really Peel but they > do know about putting records together that suit each other > and it really worked > > The Siouxsie show was a bit obvious - everyone represented > by their greatest hit.  Also her voice is cracking up and turning > into Marianne Faithful which didn't help! > > Robert Smith was like one of us doing it.   A genuine musical > enthusiast.  I wish he had played that alternate session > version of 'Grinding Halt' that he talked about since it was very > good. His family weren't the only people who taped it at the time! > > 2 hits and a miss I think > > martinw > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Yahoo! 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Phil From keith@... Tue Oct 26 15:35:07 2004 From: keith@... (keith hawley) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:35:07 +0100 Subject: terribly sad news In-Reply-To: <000c01c4adea$1010b760$0a1379c3@3> References: <1097275594.239.26831.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000c01c4adea$1010b760$0a1379c3@3> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20041026143407.04d399e8@...> I'm finding this very hard to take in.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3955289.stm :(( From festive50@... Tue Oct 26 15:40:21 2004 From: festive50@... (festive50@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:40:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] terribly sad news Message-ID: <1E0EB585ADA8454FBA7A02AD1CC49435031C6334@...> Like the other Phil, I also cried at this devastating news. My thoughts go out to Sheila and children and little Archie. This is the news I've been dreading to hear for years. Phil From leohilarious@... Tue Oct 26 15:51:40 2004 From: leohilarious@... (leohilarious) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:51:40 -0000 Subject: terribly sad news In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20041026143407.04d399e8@...> Message-ID: This is just too awful to imagine. My heart goes out to his family and friends. We've lost one of the good guys... : ( ~Leo --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, keith hawley wrote: > I'm finding this very hard to take in.... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3955289.stm > > :(( From adyfoley@... Tue Oct 26 16:03:35 2004 From: adyfoley@... (ady foley) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:03:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] JOHN PEEL - RIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041026140335.10139.qmail@...> it comes to us all i guess but i'm totally shocked by this sad news. not sure i can say anything else but my thoughts go out to sheila and the family, and those folks at the bbc who worked with john. he was an absolutely top bloke, a legend and will be incredibly missed. ady --- diamondgeeezer wrote: > > > So sorry for all his fans and family- RIP- JP ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From andy.irvine@... Tue Oct 26 16:08:28 2004 From: andy.irvine@... (Andy Irvine) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:08:28 +0100 Subject: [peel] JOHN PEEL - RIP References: <20041026140335.10139.qmail@...> Message-ID: <004d01c4bb65$458a9ea0$844f6f83@...> Adding my best wishes to family and friends. He was genuinely one of a kind. I'm utterly, utterly shocked. Rest in peace, John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ady foley" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [peel] JOHN PEEL - RIP > it comes to us all i guess but i'm totally shocked by this sad news. > not sure i can say anything else but my thoughts go out to sheila and > the family, and those folks at the bbc who worked with john. > > he was an absolutely top bloke, a legend and will be incredibly missed. > > ady > --- diamondgeeezer wrote: > > > > > > So sorry for all his fans and family- RIP- JP > > > > From npu65@... Tue Oct 26 17:02:49 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:02:49 +0100 Subject: [peel] terribly sad news References: <1E0EB585ADA8454FBA7A02AD1CC49435031C6334@...> Message-ID: <001801c4bb6c$dbe708f0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> I don't think I've ever been so upset at the passing of somebody I've never met. Can't really put it into words at the moment, but we owe him so much for what he's given us over the years. Nigel ----- Original Message ----- From: festive50@... To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [peel] terribly sad news Like the other Phil, I also cried at this devastating news. My thoughts go out to Sheila and children and little Archie. This is the news I've been dreading to hear for years. Phil --- AVG Grisoft have certified this email as free from viruses. Bet that's reassured you. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004 From moomin@... Tue Oct 26 18:38:16 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:38:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] terribly sad news In-Reply-To: <001801c4bb6c$dbe708f0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> References: <1E0EB585ADA8454FBA7A02AD1CC49435031C6334@...> <001801c4bb6c$dbe708f0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> Message-ID: In message <001801c4bb6c$dbe708f0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8>, Nigel U writes >I don't think I've ever been so upset at the passing of somebody I've >never met. True of me also. I feel bereft. I feel so sad for his family - I always thought he must have been a wonderful father. -- simon smith From troche@... Tue Oct 26 21:19:03 2004 From: troche@... (troche2255) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:19:03 -0000 Subject: This Sad Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The awful news travelled a bit slower here in the States. I actually found out via an e-mail from Melt-Banana, where, in Tokyo, this was big news. Their mentor is gone. My hero is gone.  I am crushed. Nothing in our lives will be quite the same after today. I sent John a letter in 1986 thanking him for his World Service show. To my surprise he wrote back, and this began a long  and hugely entertaining correspondence over the decades, culminating in Sheila and John's generous offer to put my family of four up at Peel acres on our UK holiday in the summer of 2002. (OK so I bribed him just a little with a stack of US blues 78's.) I am so very very lucky to have known him. I am sure that in the back of our minds, the people on this list were careful to never take him for granted. We are all so very lucky. I feel the exhaustion, the weight, the daze of grief. I don't really know what to say. Poor Shiela. To think of all the music he gave us. Now we crestfallen. Now we are on our own. tom in atlanta From morriso@... Tue Oct 26 22:00:18 2004 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:00:18 +0100 Subject: End of an Era Message-ID: <001d01c4bb96$6c5513e0$4fd02cd9@Andrew> I've been an avid Peely fan for sixteen years, and he has pointed me in the direction of literally hundreds of releases to compliment my record collection. He even helped me land my job, by playing the "offensive content" announcements my family and I recorded for his show. Just a few weeks ago, John commented that it was his "ambition" to meet us all before the end of the year, and we were due to attend his Christmas techno night at Maida Vale studios in December. It will be my life long regret that I never got the chance to meet and chat with someone who influenced my life so constantly, and so positively. I feel honoured to have contributed, in a very minor way, to his broadcasts. I'm gutted, and still in disbelief that I'll no longer be taping his shows every week. The unprecedented reaction from his many, many fans around the globe only cements his reputation as the world's finest broadcaster. We should all feel privileged to have experienced his shows within our lifetime. We shall miss you, Uncle John. Regards, Andrew Morrison (29) Portsmouth From morriso@... Tue Oct 26 22:11:15 2004 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:11:15 +0100 Subject: For those who missed it. Message-ID: <002f01c4bb97$f2cc7d40$4fd02cd9@Andrew> I've been meaning to order it for ages, and even thought about the album this very morning, before I knew the sad news, but John's eclectic, and wonderful choices of music can be heard on the Fabric Live CD, available at Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000794FM/qid=1098820949/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-1858862-5687629) and HMV (http://www1.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280%3b-1%3b-1%3b-1&sku=240660). If you're unfortunate enough to not have any of his shows archived on tape, I suggest you all grab a copy to encapsulate his typical selections - one look at the track listings makes me yearn for the future shows we've been denied. Naturally, 'Teenage Kicks' is featured! Andy Regards, Andrew Morrison From vicarage@... Tue Oct 26 22:10:58 2004 From: vicarage@... (Jon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:10:58 -0000 Subject: john peel 1939-2004 Message-ID: I've been crying all afternoon. Glass of red wine and teenage kicks right through the night. Jon / Stig From lattorff@...-halle.de Tue Oct 26 22:48:36 2004 From: lattorff@...-halle.de (Michael Lattorff) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:48:36 +0200 Subject: [peel] terribly sad news In-Reply-To: References: <001801c4bb6c$dbe708f0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> Message-ID: <417ED444.17709.1718B736@localhost> just one (some newer) song of CONFLICT came into my mind, where they say: "to live on in hearts is never to die" that's from me for John, his family and all you mourning we will carry its memory in the heart michael Michael Lattorff Institute of Zoology, Molecular Ecology Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg Hoher Weg 4 06099 Halle (Saale) Germany phone. +49-345-5526394 fax. +49-345-5527264 email. lattorff@...-halle.de www. http://www.biologie.uni-halle.de/zool/mol_ecol/ From rockerq@... Tue Oct 26 23:10:04 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:10:04 EDT Subject: [peel] john peel 1939-2004 Message-ID: <20.3658223b.2eb0172c@...> << Glass of red wine and teenage kicks right through the night. >> & a mushroom biriani. Who the hell are they going to replace him with? Rocker (Peel listener since '76) PS did anyone else hear the Radio 4 news feature a soundbite from "Old friend of Peel" Bob Harris, or was I hallucinating? From festive50@... Tue Oct 26 23:39:46 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:39:46 +0100 Subject: [peel] End of an Era In-Reply-To: <001d01c4bb96$6c5513e0$4fd02cd9@Andrew> Message-ID: More like end of an epoch. Like Jon my eyes welled up when I heard the news, but when I started reading the condolences it was full blown shoulder jerking unabashed sobbing. One of the most common sentiments running through these condolences is "never been so upset about the passing of someone I've never met". Never a truer word. The world will be a grimmer place without him, his humanity, his humour, his humility. I think his humour is demonstrated by the use of Andrew Morrison's disclaimers, replacing the musicians versions (loved your mum's "helloooo" Andrew - ta for that album link). One of John's favourite comments on coming across a "genuinely nice person/band" was "it's a shame they don't live in my village". Well, I think all of us would say the same regarding John. The Don Maclean song "The Day the music died" was about the death of Buddy Holly. But today is truly "The Day the music died". Listening to various tributes tonight and Zane Lowe said that he once asked Peelie "what are you searching for"? Apparently he gave him a look that said "what a silly question". Well he may not have been searching, but he found it hundreds if not thousands of times over in the shape of :- The Undertones, Joy Division, The Smiths, The Fall, The Bhundu Boys, Culture etc, etc. There may be a bit of a selfish streak in all of these postings. ie. who can possibly replace him and introduce us all to the new Undertones, Joy Division, Fall etc. but I believe even Peelie will be slightly miffed that these bands will never get heard. Sorry for the disjointed ramblings but I am still numb from the news. Finally my condolences go out to Sheila and family and little Archie who will have missed out so much of a wonderful grandad. Phil P.S. Did Peely ever get himself that bit of molybdenum? Regards Phil Edwards Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Norton Anti-virus 2003 system (http://www.norton.com). -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Morrison [mailto:morriso@...] Sent: 26 October 2004 21:00 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] End of an Era I've been an avid Peely fan for sixteen years, and he has pointed me in the direction of literally hundreds of releases to compliment my record collection. He even helped me land my job, by playing the "offensive content" announcements my family and I recorded for his show. Just a few weeks ago, John commented that it was his "ambition" to meet us all before the end of the year, and we were due to attend his Christmas techno night at Maida Vale studios in December. It will be my life long regret that I never got the chance to meet and chat with someone who influenced my life so constantly, and so positively. I feel honoured to have contributed, in a very minor way, to his broadcasts. I'm gutted, and still in disbelief that I'll no longer be taping his shows every week. The unprecedented reaction from his many, many fans around the globe only cements his reputation as the world's finest broadcaster. We should all feel privileged to have experienced his shows within our lifetime. We shall miss you, Uncle John. Regards, Andrew Morrison (29) Portsmouth Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From peel@yahoogroups.com Tue Oct 26 23:54:23 2004 From: peel@yahoogroups.com (peel@yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Oct 2004 21:54:23 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to peel Message-ID: <1098827663.185743.99909.w17@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the peel group. File : /John Peel 2000.mdb Uploaded by : festive50 Description : John Peel (Access Database) You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/files/John%20Peel%202000.mdb To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, festive50 From efc1969@... Tue Oct 26 23:55:35 2004 From: efc1969@... (STEPHEN) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:55:35 -0000 Subject: legend Message-ID: great tribute now on radio 1 for all fans of the great jp. From lists@... Wed Oct 27 00:06:08 2004 From: lists@... (Rob Brewer) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:06:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] legend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417ECA50.2060301@...> STEPHEN wrote: > > great tribute now on radio 1 for all fans of the great jp. > Nice to hear Lammo kicking off with Grinderswitch's version of "Pickin' the Blues". -- Rob Brewer "And all around the ground it's red and white now as Liverpool retain the European Cup at Wembley" -- BBC commentary sampled on John Peel's Fabriclive.07 mix CD. From gyford@... Wed Oct 27 00:22:47 2004 From: gyford@... (Phil Gyford) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:22:47 -0000 Subject: john peel 1939-2004 In-Reply-To: <20.3658223b.2eb0172c@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@a... wrote: > PS did anyone else hear the Radio 4 news feature a soundbite from "Old friend > of Peel" Bob Harris, or was I hallucinating? There was a full interview with Bob Harris on Radio 1 or 6 Music (I can't recall which I was listening to at that point) this afternoon. He didn't make a huge thing out of being friend of Peel, and emphasised that their musical interests had diverged greatly over more recent years. I think they worked more closely together a long time ago or something. I remember when John Walters passed away, Peel played Roy Harper's 'When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease' at the end of the show, and it made me cry then. I can't quite bear to listen to it again now. From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 00:27:19 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:27:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel 1939-2004 References: <20.3658223b.2eb0172c@...> Message-ID: <003401c4bbaa$f5978980$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> > PS did anyone else hear the Radio 4 news feature a soundbite from "Old friend > of Peel" Bob Harris, or was I hallucinating? and noel edmonds and simon bates no dlt yet, thankfully From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 00:40:48 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:40:48 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: john peel 1939-2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sure all of us have been listening to some of JP today. Well, I was no exception and chose a show from June this year, featuring a Laura Cantrell session from Peel Acres (in this show he was the proud father announcing Flossie getting her degree) and ironically: - 1) He mentioned a drive and tuning in to Radio 2 and listening to Bob Harris hoping to hear some "country". 2) Even more weird. I've been revisiting my JP database recently due to renewed interest and that track "Roy Harper's 'When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease'" appears as 4th item on screen when you view the main table (No 47 in 1976 Festive 50) and when I saw it I thought of that night he played it when Walters died. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Phil Gyford [mailto:gyford@...] Sent: 26 October 2004 23:23 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: john peel 1939-2004 --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@a... wrote: > PS did anyone else hear the Radio 4 news feature a soundbite from "Old friend > of Peel" Bob Harris, or was I hallucinating? There was a full interview with Bob Harris on Radio 1 or 6 Music (I can't recall which I was listening to at that point) this afternoon. He didn't make a huge thing out of being friend of Peel, and emphasised that their musical interests had diverged greatly over more recent years. I think they worked more closely together a long time ago or something. I remember when John Walters passed away, Peel played Roy Harper's 'When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease' at the end of the show, and it made me cry then. I can't quite bear to listen to it again now. Yahoo! Groups Links From gforsyth@... Wed Oct 27 00:50:06 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:50:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <18771475.1098831006465.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. "The trouble with Smith is he can't even do that with dignity" as a friend texted me afterwards. Ungracious, churlish and juvenile were my immediate thoughts. It was said today that John Peel had played Teenage Kicks twice in succession. I can vividly recall him playing Wah-hey by the Turbines twice in a row, then following that with the wonderful intro to the same song. Twangy guitar. Fantastic. And that's it. Who now will play the new Fall releases? George Forsyth -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 00:50:24 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:50:24 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight References: <18771475.1098831006465.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <008601c4bbae$3a61ad40$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: > I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. > > "The trouble with Smith is he can't even do that with dignity" as a friend > texted me afterwards. I wrote a mail to post here an hour ago on exactly that subject and then scrapped it. Terrible. Rob From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 00:50:43 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:50:43 +0100 Subject: [peel] This Sad Day References: Message-ID: <008701c4bbae$3aa34a20$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: "troche2255" > Now we are on our own. Tom, I've picked one brief comment from your post, because it was the only thing that jarred with me. Clare and I had some friends round for a meal this evening. Neither of them are big music fans, I doubt either of them have listened to Peel in ten years. Both of them, in seperate conversations, said how sad the news was. I really don't think we're on our own at all. Rob From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 01:06:47 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:06:47 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight In-Reply-To: <18771475.1098831006465.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: I was just in the middle of posting something similar. It's through Peelie, I discovered The Fall, and have in excess of 15 of their albums. I've never seen The Fall live or heard Mark E. Smith before but I was sorely disappointed with him. The guy from The Undertones explained that Peelie distanced himself from the artists, as he didn't want to associate himself with the celebrity ethos. This I can understand, but Smith's comments were just nothing and at the worst, smacked of ingratitude. In fact, he actually said nothing. Phil -----Original Message----- From: gforsyth@... [mailto:gforsyth@...] Sent: 26 October 2004 23:50 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. "The trouble with Smith is he can't even do that with dignity" as a friend texted me afterwards. Ungracious, churlish and juvenile were my immediate thoughts. It was said today that John Peel had played Teenage Kicks twice in succession. I can vividly recall him playing Wah-hey by the Turbines twice in a row, then following that with the wonderful intro to the same song. Twangy guitar. Fantastic. And that's it. Who now will play the new Fall releases? George Forsyth -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm Yahoo! Groups Links From rockerq@... Wed Oct 27 01:12:34 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:12:34 EDT Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <67.36443aef.2eb033e2@...> << I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. >> For those of us who missed it, what did MES actually say? Lamacq currently playing a Faces Peel session track - reminds me how good they were! Rocker From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 01:12:51 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:12:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight References: <67.36443aef.2eb033e2@...> Message-ID: <00cc01c4bbb1$51ecdea0$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: > << I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. >> > > For those of us who missed it, what did MES actually say? next to nothing. he was being interviewed with Michael Bradley (who did a good job). MES - slumped in his chair, chewing his cheek, monosyllabic at times, incomprehensible at others. Interrupted the interviewer at one point, asking to be allowed to speak, then slurred a few words of nonsense. I can't remember exactly what he did say. Rob From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 01:23:21 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:23:21 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight In-Reply-To: <00cc01c4bbb1$51ecdea0$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Unfortunately, that just about sums it up. Phil (Disgusted of Ruislip) -----Original Message----- From: Rob Strong [mailto:robstrong@...] Sent: 27 October 2004 00:13 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight From: > << I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. >> > > For those of us who missed it, what did MES actually say? next to nothing. he was being interviewed with Michael Bradley (who did a good job). MES - slumped in his chair, chewing his cheek, monosyllabic at times, incomprehensible at others. Interrupted the interviewer at one point, asking to be allowed to speak, then slurred a few words of nonsense. I can't remember exactly what he did say. Rob Yahoo! Groups Links From markbursa@... Wed Oct 27 01:29:03 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:29:03 EDT Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <1c1.1fbbb54c.2eb037bf@...> >> I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith.<< Humbug. It was fantastic, surreal television, especially when the camera cut to MES, gurning at the camera, and oblivious to the fact that he was being addressed. Basically MES was his usual blunt self. He said it was John Walters, not Peel who had first approached him, which threw Gavin Essler somewhat. Essler seemed to think all the bands were mates with Peel and clearly had no concept of the relationship between Peel and MES - in fact MES put him straight in that the two had an agreement not to be matey. "Very professional" quoth MES. Later on, after a waffling question, MES replied "am I allowed to speak now?". Shame it wasn't Jeremy Vine (ie someone who's heard Peel on a programme other than Home Truths) who did the interview. I've needed cheering up today, and MES did the trick. Bet Peel would have thought it was funny too that MES was prepared to give up valuable drinking time to do the interview.. Mark From gforsyth@... Wed Oct 27 01:29:24 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:29:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <23170779.1098833364267.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> The BBC were touchingly naive inviting MESmith on to Newsnight. Didn't you just know he would contribute nothing. He went out of his way to say that he didn't particularly like John Peel. And, Phil, only 15 Fall albums? That's not really good enough, is it? George Forsyth (friend of Paul and Mary) > Message date : Oct 27 2004, 12:18 AM > From : "Rob Strong" > To : peel@yahoogroups.com > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight > > From: > > > << I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith. >> > > > > For those of us who missed it, what did MES actually say? > > next to nothing. he was being interviewed with Michael Bradley (who did a > good job). MES - slumped in his chair, chewing his cheek, monosyllabic at > times, incomprehensible at others. Interrupted the interviewer at one point, > asking to be allowed to speak, then slurred a few words of nonsense. I can't > remember exactly what he did say. > > Rob > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From gforsyth@... Wed Oct 27 01:32:53 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <31821065.1098833573515.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Mark, I do think you're wrong there. Maybe I'm being middle-aged but I do think his performance was inappropriate. And embarassing. George Forsyth > Message date : Oct 27 2004, 12:29 AM > From : markbursa@... > To : peel@yahoogroups.com > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight > >> I was disappointed, to say the least, with Mark E Smith.<< Humbug. It was fantastic, surreal television, especially when the camera cut to MES, gurning at the camera, and oblivious to the fact that he was being addressed. Basically MES was his usual blunt self. He said it was John Walters, not Peel who had first approached him, which threw Gavin Essler somewhat. Essler seemed to think all the bands were mates with Peel and clearly had no concept of the relationship between Peel and MES - in fact MES put him straight in that the two had an agreement not to be matey. "Very professional" quoth MES. Later on, after a waffling question, MES replied "am I allowed to speak now?". Shame it wasn't Jeremy Vine (ie someone who's heard Peel on a programme other than Home Truths) who did the interview. I've needed cheering up today, and MES did the trick. Bet Peel would have thought it was funny too that MES was prepared to give up valuable drinking time to do the interview.. Mark > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From markbursa@... Wed Oct 27 01:44:12 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:44:12 EDT Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <105.5337e6a6.2eb03b4c@...> George >>I do think you're wrong there. Maybe I'm being middle-aged but I do think his performance was inappropriate. And embarassing.<< But surely Peel championed MES precisely because of who he was - unpredictable, blunt, curmudgeonly, honest.... whihc makes MES's 'anti-tribute' about as appropriate as you could expect. For him to have been anything other than that would have been insincere in extreme. Mark (not middle aged, despite impending 44th b'day) From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 01:41:30 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:41:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight References: <1c1.1fbbb54c.2eb037bf@...> Message-ID: <001a01c4bbb5$532f4ce0$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: > It was fantastic, surreal television, especially when the camera cut to MES, > gurning at the camera, and oblivious to the fact that he was being > addressed. > > Basically MES was his usual blunt self. rubbish. he was drunk. Rob From rockerq@... Wed Oct 27 01:55:57 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:55:57 EDT Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: Who would have believed that speedfreak MES would outlive Peelie? Rocker From markbursa@... Wed Oct 27 01:57:55 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:57:55 EDT Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight Message-ID: <146.3704e744.2eb03e83@...> rubbish. he was drunk. Why so affronted? He's always drunk. On newsnight he was no more so than usual; rather less so than a few years ago. WYSIWYG. Mark From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 01:55:51 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:55:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight References: <146.3704e744.2eb03e83@...> Message-ID: <001901c4bbb7$53bb2740$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: > rubbish. he was drunk. > Why so affronted? He's always drunk. On newsnight he was no more so than > usual; rather less so than a few years ago. WYSIWYG. of course. but you're trying to say that he was making some sort of 'anti-tribute' whereas I'd say he was unable to string a sentence together. enough. Rob From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 02:03:41 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:03:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight In-Reply-To: <23170779.1098833364267.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: gforsyth@... [mailto:gforsyth@...] Sent: 27 October 2004 00:29 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight And, Phil, only 15 Fall albums? That's not really good enough, is it? George Forsyth (friend of Paul and Mary) Quite right. My first snigger of the evening. Cheers From vicarage@... Wed Oct 27 02:21:03 2004 From: vicarage@... (Jon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:21:03 -0000 Subject: MESmith on Newsnight In-Reply-To: <1c1.1fbbb54c.2eb037bf@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@a... wrote: > Humbug. > > It was fantastic I didn't see it but can I just say how glad I am that John is still causing such vigorous debate and controversy? Good on ya John :) From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 02:10:20 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:10:20 +0100 Subject: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight In-Reply-To: <001901c4bbb7$53bb2740$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Rob Strong [mailto:robstrong@...] Sent: 27 October 2004 00:56 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] MESmith on Newsnight whereas I'd say he was unable to string a sentence together. enough. Rob I'd say, he was having trouble with the odd syllable. He made Shane McGowan seem like the emeritus Prof. of Middle English. Phil Yahoo! Groups Links From troche@... Wed Oct 27 02:25:55 2004 From: troche@... (troche2255) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:25:55 -0000 Subject: This Sad Day In-Reply-To: <008701c4bbae$3aa34a20$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Strong" wrote: > From: "troche2255" > > > Now we are on our own. > > Tom, > I've picked one brief comment from your post, because it was the only thing > that jarred with me. > I > really don't think we're on our own at all. > > Rob Thank you Rob. What I mean, and meant, is that we have had this fantastic amazing luxury of having a person listen to all the great music AND all the dreck that comes out each week. Then he'd make wonderfully knowledgeable and wise choices for us, and present it in a tight two hour package. Week after week, year after year. I saw him put these shows together. There was so much of lame stuff to wade through and discard - so many copy-cat releases of some sound/trend sound from four months back that sounded fine to me but he had already moved on in search of something new. He could spend a six hour listening session putting together 2 hours of killer stuff. Who else bothered? Who else will bother tomorrow? I have lived through enough eras to know that there will always be those who grow older and "act their age" and announce that all the music that is out right now is crap. Well bullocks to that. What we all know here is that there ALWAYS was (and is) good music out there.... but that it is rarely handed to you; you have to go out and find it. For 35 years, show after show, John was among the very few who generously handed it to us as if to say, "Here, my gift, I sorted all this out and I hope you like it." Or to quote his exact intro on his very best new discoveries "I think you're going to like this..." and that's when you knew hoo boy here comes something great. And now that is over. We are not completely on our own now, right. But the next new obscure gem of a new band just became a lot harder to come by without digging it up ourselves. tom From npu65@... Wed Oct 27 02:35:16 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:35:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: This Sad Day References: Message-ID: <031e01c4bbbc$d4d4d420$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> ----- Original Message ----- From: "troche2255" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:25 AM Subject: [peel] Re: This Sad Day > > > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Strong" > wrote: >> From: "troche2255" >> >> > Now we are on our own. >> >> Tom, >> I've picked one brief comment from your post, because it was > the only thing >> that jarred with me. >> > I >> really don't think we're on our own at all. >> >> Rob > > > Thank you Rob. What I mean, and meant, is that we have had > this fantastic amazing luxury of having a person listen to all the > great music AND all the dreck that comes out each week. Then > he'd make wonderfully knowledgeable and wise choices for us, > and present it in a tight two hour package. Week after week, year > after year. > > I saw him put these shows together. There was so much of > lame stuff to wade through and discard - so many copy-cat > releases of some sound/trend sound from four months back that > sounded fine to me but he had already moved on in search of > something new. > > He could spend a six hour listening session putting together 2 > hours of killer stuff. Who else bothered? Who else will bother > tomorrow? > > I have lived through enough eras to know that there will always > be those who grow older and "act their age" and announce that > all the music that is out right now is crap. Well bullocks to that. > What we all know here is that there ALWAYS was (and is) good > music out there.... but that it is rarely handed to you; you have to > go out and find it. > > For 35 years, show after show, John was among the very few > who generously handed it to us as if to say, "Here, my gift, I > sorted all this out and I hope you like it." > > Or to quote his exact intro on his very best new discoveries "I > think you're going to like this..." and that's when you knew hoo > boy here comes something great. > > And now that is over. We are not completely on our own now, > right. But the next new obscure gem of a new band just became > a lot harder to come by without digging it up ourselves. > > > > > tom > > > We still have the Radcliffes and Lamacqs of this world, but they walk in the shadow of the master. The joy of Peelie was that he'd turn up so many songs that you didn't know you'd like. --- AVG Grisoft have certified this email as free from viruses. Bet that's reassured you. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.783 / Virus Database: 529 - Release Date: 26/10/2004 From festive50@... Wed Oct 27 03:11:25 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:11:25 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: This Sad Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Tom, for giving us an insight into the workings of "The Man". Who on earth is going to spend the hours he did listening to all those demos, in order to sort out the chaff from the wheat to give us a 2 hour show 3 times a week and still fit in odd request and also renew interest in recordings made nearly 70 years ago. Where are we going to find such diversity? I believe it was last year, when Peely was on holiday and people were racking their brains as to what it would be like without "Yer Man". Last week, was another taster. The closest we got in diversity was Tuesday's show (with Underworld). The track that did it for me (I don't know if this was it's 1st time out) was a vocal track of a JP anecdote of him at a Rod Stewart Dinner Party, distorted and remixed. I thought, if he hasn't heard it yet, he'd love it. Phil From troche@... Wed Oct 27 04:31:04 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:31:04 -0400 Subject: US Public Radio report In-Reply-To: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: The American public radio network NPR did a 6 minute report on John Peel this afternoon. Melt-Banana is mentioned in the same breath as Extreme Noise Terror. A BBC suit is interviewed, and there is funny soundbite of JP nearly screwing something up http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4127533 I have been in touch with Yako from MB... She says:" I feel really sad and got shocked...... It is too early since he was still 65 years old. I hope I could see him once more and say thanks." Also, there's one last chance to still hear a current archived Peel show, at the World Service site. The RealPlayer link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/ws_johnpeel.rpm Starts with Grinderswitch and is just another great show. WorldService archives are mono and only 16k streams, still worthwhile. It will be taken down Friday at 830 UTC He would have had another WS show or two in the can, I hope they decide to run them. tom From troche@... Wed Oct 27 05:57:12 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:57:12 -0400 Subject: MES Newsnight Interview Webclip In-Reply-To: References: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3955989.stm 17 minutes into the 60 min clip, runs 12 minutes. A fine tribute. MES seemed to me to just be his same old space-cadet self. Maybe drunk, but maybe sober with some brain cells that went missing some time ago and won't be back. tom From martinw@... Wed Oct 27 10:13:52 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:13:52 +0100 Subject: Peel - The Future Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> Yesterday we were quite rightly in shock but today we must think of the future. Important decisions are going to be made at Radio 1 and soon There is a fundamental choice to be made here. It depends on whether they see Peel as representing a type of music in which case he would be replaced by someone similarly adventurous and eclectic or if they see Peel now as a personality dj who can therefore be replaced in the schedules by anything they choose. Another dance prog or a Zane clone perhaps (after all Zane plays 'new music' doesn't he grrrrrrrrrrh) It matters to me very much (and I hope to most on this list) that they take the former view. We can influence this The man making the decision will be Andy Parfitt at Radio 1 and he needs to be bombarded with with e-mails telling him that we expect the legacy of Peel to be continued and not lost in some slick rescheduling I don know his e-mail (does anyone?) but a guess would be andy.parfitt@... Someone has to stand between real music and the forces of blandness and mediocrity as represented by the likes of Simon Cowell and I don't fancy Zane Lowe for the job It matters folks and after the decision has been made will be too late. martinw From robstrong@... Wed Oct 27 10:29:11 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:29:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: This Sad Day References: Message-ID: <004a01c4bbff$0a34bee0$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: "troche2255" > We are not completely on our own now, > right. But the next new obscure gem of a new band just became > a lot harder to come by without digging it up ourselves. perhaps one of John's many legacies is a couple of generations of music fans who are prepared to do the digging. Hopefully Radio 1 will recognise that they need to find someone to do a similar job. Rob From adyfoley@... Wed Oct 27 10:55:35 2004 From: adyfoley@... (ady foley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:55:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> Message-ID: <20041027085535.61323.qmail@...> I totally agree Martin. Obviously John's irreplaceable, but it's important that his legacy is continued and that means steering away from the safe path of bland playlists and putting in place some one who will continue to champion new music, whilst not forgetting the great music of the past. Most importantly, someone who will play the music that they want to, not what they're told to. I'd hope that Radio 1 wouldn't rush into any decisions on this and will listen to people's views and think very carefully about how they can fill the void now that John has gone. For now though, I'm sure there's plenty of great session tracks to be repeated or some good guest presenters until that decision's made. ady --- Martin Wheatley wrote: > > Yesterday we were quite rightly in shock but today we must > think of the future. Important decisions are going to be made at > Radio 1 and soon > > There is a fundamental choice to be made here. It depends on whether > they see Peel as representing a type of music in which case he would > be replaced by someone similarly adventurous and eclectic or if they > see Peel now as a personality dj who can therefore be replaced in > the schedules by anything they choose. Another dance prog or a Zane > clone perhaps (after all Zane plays 'new music' doesn't he > grrrrrrrrrrh) ===== vacuous pop presents saturday 6 november fuck-off machete, the workhouse & detwiije the wheatsheaf, 129 high street, oxford doors 7.30pm / �5 / 18+ vacuous pop - record label & live promotions ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / the edmund fitzgerald / youthmovie soundtrack strategies / help she can't swim vacuous pop, po box 289, oxford ox5 1we | www.vacuouspop.com ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From robfleay@... Wed Oct 27 12:37:11 2004 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:37:11 +0000 Subject: [peel] End of an Era Message-ID: <20041027103931.WMVO13844.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.68]> > the most common sentiments running through these condolences is "never been > so upset about the passing of someone I've never met". Which coincidently is pretty much exactly what John was trying to say on air when he broke down in tears after the Hillsborough tragedy... ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From janb@... Wed Oct 27 12:49:16 2004 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:49:16 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> Message-ID: <004901c4bc12$9ac261c0$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:13 AM [GMT+1=CET], Martin Wheatley wrote: > the schedules by anything they choose. Another dance prog or a Zane > clone perhaps (after all Zane plays 'new music' doesn't he > grrrrrrrrrrh) > Someone has to stand between real music and the forces of blandness > and mediocrity as represented by the likes of Simon Cowell and I > don't fancy Zane Lowe for the job I'm a big Zane Lowe fan. He's in the perfect slot for me and him at present, so I'm not suggesting him as a Peel replacement, but a little respect would be nice. -- Jan From janb@... Wed Oct 27 12:50:19 2004 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:50:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <20041027085535.61323.qmail@...> Message-ID: <005401c4bc12$c0636870$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:55 AM [GMT+1=CET], ady foley wrote: > I totally agree Martin. Obviously John's irreplaceable, but it's > important that his legacy is continued and that means steering away > from the safe path of bland playlists and putting in place some one > who > will continue to champion new music, whilst not forgetting the great > music of the past. Most importantly, someone who will play the music > that they want to, not what they're told to. All of the specialist shows play what they want. -- Jan From me@... Wed Oct 27 13:06:13 2004 From: me@... (Ed Blackmore) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:06:13 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future In-Reply-To: <004901c4bc12$9ac261c0$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: <417F8F35.31418.7BBAEB@localhost> > > I'm a big Zane Lowe fan. He's in the perfect slot for me and him at > present, so I'm not suggesting him as a Peel replacement, but a little > respect would be nice. > -- > Jan This list has always been critical of anything not Peel or Kershaw, like anything good, but not as good as Peel, is to be dismissed. A 1Xtra showcase while Peel was on holiday? Shock horror. I think Zane's show is fantastic, he has great energy, and diverse music. He plays wantever he likes, but probably more suited to a younger / rock audience. R1 has expanded it's evening shows, and I've really been enjoying them. I don't know what could go in the Peel slot, but if the evening shows just contract to their original 6 hours it'll be a great shame. RIP John, you've been a great companion over the last 6 years, all those late nights sat up working, and occasionally bopping in front of the computer. Ed From martinw@... Wed Oct 27 13:07:51 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:07:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future In-Reply-To: <004901c4bc12$9ac261c0$2e90220a@...> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027120656.00c5aba8@...> >I'm a big Zane Lowe fan. He's in the perfect slot for me and him at >present, so I'm not suggesting him as a Peel replacement, but a little >respect would be nice. > >-- >Jan DJs are a matter of taste You have yours and I have mine martinw From martinw@... Wed Oct 27 13:11:26 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:11:26 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future In-Reply-To: <005401c4bc12$c0636870$2e90220a@...> References: <20041027085535.61323.qmail@...> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027120821.00c53b30@...> >All of the specialist shows play what they want. > >-- >Jan > And what indications do we have that Peel will be replaced by a specialist show? The big danger is that Parfitt will simply move all the evening shows back 2 hours and introduce a 'daytime style' popularist prog at 7PM I bet there are plenty of people at the BBC urging him to do that - 'It'll help the ratings andy" !!!!! martinw From markbursa@... Wed Oct 27 13:12:04 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:12:04 EDT Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future Message-ID: <99.4fb4ea6c.2eb0dc84@...> I'm a big Zane Lowe fan. He's in the perfect slot for me and him at present, so I'm not suggesting him as a Peel replacement, but a little respect would be nice. Lowe does a pretty decent job within the XFM/NME/MTV2 axis of supporting, for want of a better term, 'hyped indie'. But he has neither the breadth nor the depth of knowledge to take Peel's slot. And he talks all over intros and fades ;-) Lamacq (and indeed Mark Radcliffe) are closer. But do either of them have the dedication or desire to listen to 6 hours of demos every day? What is becoming clear is regardless of the broadcasting vacuum (in terms of the programme itself) that Peel has left, a bigger vacuum is the "unbiased third-party A&R" job that Peel has consistently performed. Replacing that part of the man's work is the really hard part - and the really essential part. Mark From skif45@... Wed Oct 27 13:18:36 2004 From: skif45@... (Dave Nicholls) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:18:36 +0100 Subject: [peel] End of an Era Message-ID: >I'm gutted, and still in disbelief that I'll no longer be taping his shows >every week. Exactly how I feel. I'm sure we'll all miss him because he played the sorts of music we like int eh way we like to hear them. The last 24 hours I've just felt numb. I only joined this list 2 days ago, I never imagined my first posting would concern this tragedy. God bless you John. Skif x _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From janb@... Wed Oct 27 13:51:41 2004 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:51:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <20041027085535.61323.qmail@...> <4.3.2.7.2.20041027120821.00c53b30@...> Message-ID: <00b201c4bc1b$52c445b0$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:11 PM [GMT+1=CET], Martin Wheatley wrote: >> All of the specialist shows play what they want. >> >> -- >> Jan >> > > And what indications do we have that Peel will be replaced by a > specialist show? Radio 1 have just revamped their schedule to a) give consistent 3 hour slots for daytime, and b) promote the specialist shows to starting at 7pm. I see no reason [1] why Parfitt would wish to go back on that so soon. Zane Lowe was certainly adding listeners in his old 8-10 slot, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case at 7-9 either. As for the 11-1 slot, they have two options, either they bring in a 'replacement' such as Lamacq, AN Other or even Mary Anne HobbGoblin or they promote the 1am shows (Rock Show (which would mean 4 hours for Mike Davies), Trevor Nelson, Annie Nightingale respectively) and stick something new at 1am, or they share the extra 2 hours out between Zane, the 9pms and the 1ams. -- Jan [1] The only slight hiccup is the possible return of Sara Cox, hopefully though they will either ask her to leave or give her a weekend slot. From adyfoley@... Wed Oct 27 15:29:55 2004 From: adyfoley@... (ady foley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:29:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [peel] For those who missed it. In-Reply-To: <002f01c4bb97$f2cc7d40$4fd02cd9@Andrew> Message-ID: <20041027132955.79802.qmail@...> --- Andrew Morrison wrote: > I've been meaning to order it for ages, and even thought about the > album this very morning, before I knew the sad news, but John's > eclectic, and wonderful choices of music can be heard on the Fabric > Live CD, i dug out my copy to play today andrew and it is a great selection. brings a tear to the eye. i think it's actually hit me more today than it did yesterday. > Naturally, 'Teenage Kicks' is featured! and of course, 'you'll never walk alone'. some folks have suggested that rather than a minute's silence, a minute's noise be held in john's honour. i think he'd approve. ady ===== vacuous pop presents saturday 6 november fuck-off machete, the workhouse & detwiije the wheatsheaf, 129 high street, oxford doors 7.30pm / �5 / 18+ vacuous pop - record label & live promotions ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / the edmund fitzgerald / youthmovie soundtrack strategies / help she can't swim vacuous pop, po box 289, oxford ox5 1we | www.vacuouspop.com ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From g.j.steel@... Wed Oct 27 16:35:03 2004 From: g.j.steel@... (graham steel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:35:03 -0000 Subject: post Peel :-( Message-ID: Zitat von markbursa@...: > What is becoming clear is regardless of the broadcasting vacuum (in terms  of > the programme itself) that Peel has left, a bigger vacuum is the "unbiased > third-party A&R" job that Peel has consistently performed. Replacing that > part > of the man's work is the really hard part - and the really essential  part. I agree. There is no chance of replacing JP with somebody with his encyclopedic knowledge of music, so the punctuation of the show with old gems from 50 years ago is something we will lose, but the new music is important. Without someone prepared to do the kind of work involved in listening to thousands of demos, as well as releases on labels with no big-money promotion, the music scene will suffer badly. JP wouldn't have liked that any more than we will. There is a lot of interest in JP right now from people who perhaps haven't listened to his show for years. Yesterday I had over 3000 people visit the JP mp3 website I manage, and more than that today already. I know many other people on the list run Peel-related sites too - we could direct all these people somewhere to sign up and say 'you can't replace Peel, but we need someone who will play eclectic new music on the radio', then forward that to R1. Is it worth trying? What do people think? graham -- www.radio.plus.com From martinw@... Wed Oct 27 17:17:57 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:17:57 +0100 Subject: [peel] post Peel :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027161643.00c550c0@...> >There is a lot of interest in JP right now from people who perhaps haven't >listened to his show for years. Yesterday I had over 3000 people visit the JP >mp3 website I manage, and more than that today already. I know many other >people on the list run Peel-related sites too - we could direct all these >people somewhere to sign up and say 'you can't replace Peel, but we need >someone who will play eclectic new music on the radio', then forward that to >R1. Is it worth trying? What do people think? > >graham > It's not just worth trying its essential or we may end with something we definitely don't want The legacy of Peel must be continued martinw From janb@... Wed Oct 27 17:21:01 2004 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:21:01 +0100 Subject: [peel] post Peel :-( References: Message-ID: <00e301c4bc38$913f4610$2e90220a@...> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:35 PM [GMT+1=CET], graham steel wrote: > Zitat von markbursa@...: > >> What is becoming clear is regardless of the broadcasting vacuum (in >> terms of the programme itself) that Peel has left, a bigger vacuum >> is the "unbiased third-party A&R" job that Peel has consistently >> performed. Replacing that part >> of the man's work is the really hard part - and the really essential >> part. > > I agree. There is no chance of replacing JP with somebody with his > encyclopedic knowledge of music, so the punctuation of the show with > old gems from 50 years ago is something we will lose, It may not always go 50 years back, but I rather like The Freak Zone on 6Music. http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/freakzone/ > but the new > music is important. Without someone prepared to do the kind of work > involved in listening to thousands of demos, as well as releases on > labels with no big-money promotion, Yes, this is the most difficult thing to replace. -- Jan From gforsyth@... Wed Oct 27 19:36:09 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: What next? Message-ID: <18052604.1098898569387.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Aren't you all missing the point? No-one else can have the same eclectic taste as John Peel. Lamacq's show last night was basically a run through of 80s indie shoe-gazing music with a few 70s items. No Beefheart. No hip-hop. No twangy guitar. No country. Andy Kershaw is the most obvious replacement. He has a genuine love of music, and his taste certainly ranges far and wide. But it won't happen. And probably a good thing. Radio One should just move on. And Phil Edwards, I hope you've bought 20 Fall albums today. George Forsyth. -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From alan@... Wed Oct 27 21:27:23 2004 From: alan@... (Alan Ford) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:27:23 +0100 Subject: [peel] US Public Radio report References: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <003301c4bc5b$089d7840$ef6c86d9@pb1996> > > Also, there's one last chance to still hear a current archived Peel show, at the World Service site. The RealPlayer link is > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/ws_johnpeel.rpm > > Starts with Grinderswitch and is just another great show. I don't suppose anyone could provide a copy of John's last show and the tribute show with Lammo last night, and maybe the above WS show?? Sorry to sound greedy. Blank tapes, CDs, SAEs and eternal gratitude freely available. Alan From troche@... Wed Oct 27 23:56:19 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:56:19 -0400 Subject: In the clouds.... In-Reply-To: <003301c4bc5b$089d7840$ef6c86d9@pb1996> References: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> <003301c4bc5b$089d7840$ef6c86d9@pb1996> Message-ID: I've been thinking about the state of John's health towards the end. We know he was a strict vegetarian, but he was also diabetic. And diabetes significantly raises heart disease risks, as does excess weight. We know, or I know, that he had a tennis court and pool constructed at Peel acres (w/the toilet tissue commercial money.) But Shiela said he rarely used the court and never went in the pool. A friend related to me today that he vacationed in Cuzco Peru a few years ago. He said it was the most high-altitude place he'd ever been to. He's originally from London. He said that when they got there he and his girlfriend, (in their late 20's) needed a full day of downtime just to get their strength back, strength sapped by the thin air. A check of the encyclopedia says that Cuzco is 11,024 feet above sea level (3400 meters.) Ipswitch, by comparison, is 250 feet above sea level. In the late 90's, I was working on a Cartoon Network show called Space Ghost. This was a talk show with a cartoon host and celebrity guests. As I had a London vacation coming up, they arranged to have me meet John at the CNN bureau off Tottenham Ct Rd to tape a one camera interview I would conduct. (He got paid $450, scale, and the interview has so far never been used.) The studio we used was four flights up, and the elevator was out. I was surprised how winded he was after just two flights. On the third landing he said in that genial half-joking tone of his," Tom if there is more than one flight to go the interview's off." We made it to the studio and once the red light came on he was just fine. I hadn't really though about that till this week. tom From moomin@... Thu Oct 28 01:03:19 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:03:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] In the clouds.... In-Reply-To: References: <1098836147.308.38677.m12@yahoogroups.com> <003301c4bc5b$089d7840$ef6c86d9@pb1996> Message-ID: In message , Tom Roche writes >I've been thinking about the state of John's health towards the end. We >know he was a strict vegetarian, but he was also diabetic. And diabetes >significantly raises heart disease risks, as does excess weight. He had the most severe form of diabetes and was taking tablets for high blood pressure as well. I remember him several times saying things suggesting an awareness that his lifetime was quite likely to be shorter than he would have hoped. Of course being aware of all this didn't soften the blow in the slightest when I heard the news. -- simon smith From Phyll@... Thu Oct 28 01:20:05 2004 From: Phyll@... (Phyll Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:20:05 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 827 References: <1098905210.5902.96551.m19@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <007f01c4bc7b$8073d290$fa38883e@HAL9000> It would be nice to see someone be bothered to get over the contractual difficulties involved and release some of Peels shows as records - a Peelenium Box Set, Some Festive Fifties (the All Time FF maybe), His 'Records that Santa Claus Forgot' show, Janice and John in Japan, his Birthday specials, the list of 'specials' and showcase programs and a decent archieve, inevitably online, of as many of his shows as possible. His genius was not just in spotting a bunch of good records / artists, but in putting this stuff together, presenting it so uncomprimisingly, but so welcomingly. And the greatest tribute to the man has to be to make some records. From festive50@... Thu Oct 28 01:32:05 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:32:05 +0100 Subject: [peel] In the clouds.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interestingly enough, Tom. In the Front Row program on Radio 4 yesterday, the boy Kershaw recounted the last time he met John for coffee. He told John that he "looked terrible". John's reply was that, what with the diabetes and the change in the schedules, putting his shows back 2 hours and Home Truths, "It's Killing me and I feel, I'm being marginalized". (There's a sound bite for conspiracy theorists. I think that he'd be having a little chuckle at the thought of the Beeb's new schedules being a cunning plot to literally get rid of him.) Kershaw went on to say, "You're bigger than the BBC, and you should be able to dictate what hours you want to work, silly bugger". Phil From festive50@... Thu Oct 28 02:17:55 2004 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:17:55 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 827 In-Reply-To: <007f01c4bc7b$8073d290$fa38883e@HAL9000> Message-ID: Just watch this space and all will be revealed. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Phyll Smith [mailto:Phyll@...] Sent: 28 October 2004 00:20 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Digest Number 827 It would be nice to see someone be bothered to get over the contractual difficulties involved and release some of Peels shows as records - a Peelenium Box Set, Some Festive Fifties (the All Time FF maybe), His 'Records that Santa Claus Forgot' show, Janice and John in Japan, his Birthday specials, the list of 'specials' and showcase programs and a decent archieve, inevitably online, of as many of his shows as possible. His genius was not just in spotting a bunch of good records / artists, but in putting this stuff together, presenting it so uncomprimisingly, but so welcomingly. And the greatest tribute to the man has to be to make some records. Yahoo! Groups Links From vicarage@... Thu Oct 28 02:28:30 2004 From: vicarage@... (Jon) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:28:30 -0000 Subject: article Message-ID: It's been almost impossible to envisage a future for such a diverse programme on Radio 1 without John. But Mary-Ann Hobbs and Louise's mentioning of the possibility of the Lonnie Donegan Christmas show still going ahead got me thinking about the future. Then I read this article: http://www.lnreview.co.uk/music/004496.php From martinw@... Thu Oct 28 09:57:34 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:57:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041028085441.00c4eb50@...> At 00:28 28/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: > > >It's been almost impossible to envisage a future for such a diverse >programme on Radio 1 without John. But Mary-Ann Hobbs and Louise's >mentioning of the possibility of the Lonnie Donegan Christmas show >still going ahead got me thinking about the future. Then I read this >article: >http://www.lnreview.co.uk/music/004496.php > I've had an idea. Last night's show was put together by Peel's production team of Louise and Hameet. They've no experience and they don't have Peel's musical knowledge (who does apart from the people on this list :-) ) but they've got a wide range of musical tastes, enthusiasm and they've been tutored by Peel. I say give Hameet a go for a couple of shows and see how it goes martinw From robfleay@... Thu Oct 28 12:08:32 2004 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:08:32 +0100 Subject: [peel] In the clouds.... In-Reply-To: References: <003301c4bc5b$089d7840$ef6c86d9@pb1996> Message-ID: <4180D330.29333.24C787@localhost> I remember when I heard that he was going to Peru that it was quite an ambitious trip for someone who hated flying..never thought it would end like this. Also - in one of the many old interviews i read yesterday he was recounting how he took "a mountain of tranquilizers" before he could get on the plane to New Zealand. I know that when your number is up then it's time to go - but you can't help wondering whether he'd still be here with us, if only for a short while longer, if he hadn't taken that trip.. > I've been thinking about the state of John's health towards > the end. We know he was a strict vegetarian, but he was also > diabetic. And diabetes significantly raises heart disease > risks, as does excess weight. We know, or I know, that he > had a tennis court and pool constructed at Peel acres (w/the > toilet tissue commercial money.) But Shiela said he rarely > used the court and never went in the pool. > > A friend related to me today that he vacationed in Cuzco > Peru a few years ago. He said it was the most high-altitude > place he'd ever been to. He's originally from London. He > said that when they got there he and his girlfriend, (in > their late 20's) needed a full day of downtime just to get > their strength back, strength sapped by the thin air. > > A check of the encyclopedia says that Cuzco is 11,024 feet > above sea level (3400 meters.) Ipswitch, by comparison, is > 250 feet above sea level. > > In the late 90's, I was working on a Cartoon Network show > called Space Ghost. This was a talk show with a cartoon host > and celebrity guests. As I had a London vacation coming up, > they arranged to have me meet John at the CNN bureau off > Tottenham Ct Rd to tape a one camera interview I would > conduct. (He got paid $450, scale, and the interview has so > far never been used.) The studio we used was four flights > up, and the elevator was out. I was surprised how winded he > was after just two flights. On the third landing he said in > that genial half-joking tone of his," Tom if there is more > than one flight to go the interview's off." We made it to > the studio and once the red light came on he was just fine. > > I hadn't really though about that till this week. > > > > tom > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. > Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it > for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/JPJolB/TM > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From morriso@... Thu Oct 28 14:57:29 2004 From: morriso@... (ANDREW MORRISON) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:57:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: The Future of the Peel slot Message-ID: <20041028125729.21778.qmail@...> Well, I for one would find it joyous if presenters filled his slot playing through the vast archives of session tracks he's featured, but that would miss the mark due to lack of new music. As the obituaries have said, John had little time for looking back on old music/bands, preferring to find the 'next big thing'. It's important that whatever replaces his show remains eclectic. Most of us do not have the spare time to listen to every different kind of genre-specific special interest show on the radio, and John's broadcasts were the best way to dip into the best selections from many different styles. Of the suggestions I've read, having different, and sometimes guest presenters every few shows would be a great way to keep the variety of music flowing. There's definitely a need for some sort of way to get new, unsigned bands involved - and, of course, keeping the new sessions rolling in. The Louise/Hermeet idea is a good one - although we don't know if they have intentions of being presenters. I'd love it if they continued to produce a show in the existing slot that still fitted the loose template, somehow - whether by using guest presenters, or other means. The variety was the key element, however, and something that will never be exactly replicated. Perhaps there is still scope for still calling the slot the "John Peel" show, just as they have been continuing to use his email address while Radio 1 mourns. Despite the need for new music, I still feel any new show should always feature a full, repeated session from the archives - there's tons of wonderful material that's hardly been heard, and as there often seem to be legal and copyright reasons for not releasing them in record shops, to keep them on air from now on would be a regular way of marking respect to the Great Man. It is all the more sadder that on what was to become John's last ever Radio 1 show, he congratulated me on getting a new job, while dedicating two records to my girlfriend and I after one of our cats was run down and killed. I actually made a recording of the show, and saved the dedication as an audio file for my girlfriend to hear - I could upload it somewhere when I'm next online at home, if anyone would like to hear this brief excerpt from his last show - and the blues song he played for us. Also, to appreciate his sense of humour, and genuine interest in his listeners, a visit to http://www.AndrewMorrison.co.uk/peel.html will allow you to stream and download some of our 'offensive content' disclaimers we recorded for the show - and his reactions to them when on air. Well worth listening to, to provide heart warming examples of his personality. It's all still sinking in, really. A crying shame, to say the least. I texted Mary Anne Hobbs last to, requesting they play that 'Does This Train Stop On Merseyside' song, as I shall always associate the track with him (he said it brought him to tears everytime he played it). Am desperate to track it down - anyone know who it is by, and what album/single it can be found on? Andy Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... Website: www.TrustNoOne.org.uk From vicarage@... Thu Oct 28 15:28:36 2004 From: vicarage@... (Jon) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:28:36 -0000 Subject: dry bones in the valley Message-ID: Like others I'm sure, I would like to get a copy of what was to be John's last programme for Radio 1. If anyone has copies of any of his last shows please let me/us know. Does anyone have a current address for Andy Parfitt? andy.parfitt@... bounces back. From pat183us@... Thu Oct 28 16:30:14 2004 From: pat183us@... (Pat Dibben) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [peel] The Future of the Peel slot In-Reply-To: <20041028125729.21778.qmail@...> Message-ID: <20041028143014.3040.qmail@...> Andy et al. "Does This Train Stop on Merseyside" is by Amsterdam. http://www.amsterdam-music.com/home.html Seems to only have been available as an internet only release. Perhaps they could be persuaded to release it as a single in tribute to the great man. How about a Lamacq show one night a week for the Indie-type stuff, a Kershaw show one night a week for the African/Reggae/Laura Cantrell type-stuff and a guest the other night to play whatever else tickles their fancy....? I know it would never be the same but at least some of his eclectic tastes would still be aired. Maybe it could still be called "The John Peel Show" too? I know he is probably as upset as the rest of us but i haven't seen or heard any tributes from David Gedge yet... Pat. ANDREW MORRISON wrote: Well, I for one would find it joyous if presenters filled his slot playing through the vast archives of session tracks he's featured, but that would miss the mark due to lack of new music. As the obituaries have said, John had little time for looking back on old music/bands, preferring to find the 'next big thing'. It's important that whatever replaces his show remains eclectic. Most of us do not have the spare time to listen to every different kind of genre-specific special interest show on the radio, and John's broadcasts were the best way to dip into the best selections from many different styles. Of the suggestions I've read, having different, and sometimes guest presenters every few shows would be a great way to keep the variety of music flowing. There's definitely a need for some sort of way to get new, unsigned bands involved - and, of course, keeping the new sessions rolling in. The Louise/Hermeet idea is a good one - although we don't know if they have intentions of being presenters. I'd love it if they continued to produce a show in the existing slot that still fitted the loose template, somehow - whether by using guest presenters, or other means. The variety was the key element, however, and something that will never be exactly replicated. Perhaps there is still scope for still calling the slot the "John Peel" show, just as they have been continuing to use his email address while Radio 1 mourns. Despite the need for new music, I still feel any new show should always feature a full, repeated session from the archives - there's tons of wonderful material that's hardly been heard, and as there often seem to be legal and copyright reasons for not releasing them in record shops, to keep them on air from now on would be a regular way of marking respect to the Great Man. It is all the more sadder that on what was to become John's last ever Radio 1 show, he congratulated me on getting a new job, while dedicating two records to my girlfriend and I after one of our cats was run down and killed. I actually made a recording of the show, and saved the dedication as an audio file for my girlfriend to hear - I could upload it somewhere when I'm next online at home, if anyone would like to hear this brief excerpt from his last show - and the blues song he played for us. Also, to appreciate his sense of humour, and genuine interest in his listeners, a visit to http://www.AndrewMorrison.co.uk/peel.html will allow you to stream and download some of our 'offensive content' disclaimers we recorded for the show - and his reactions to them when on air. Well worth listening to, to provide heart warming examples of his personality. It's all still sinking in, really. A crying shame, to say the least. I texted Mary Anne Hobbs last to, requesting they play that 'Does This Train Stop On Merseyside' song, as I shall always associate the track with him (he said it brought him to tears everytime he played it). Am desperate to track it down - anyone know who it is by, and what album/single it can be found on? Andy Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... Website: www.TrustNoOne.org.uk Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. From pitstain@... Thu Oct 28 17:44:40 2004 From: pitstain@... (David Jansen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:44:40 -0700 Subject: [peel] The Future of the Peel slot In-Reply-To: <20041028143014.3040.qmail@...> References: <20041028143014.3040.qmail@...> Message-ID: <48637F68-28F8-11D9-97DA-003065BAE848@...> > I know he is probably as upset as the rest of us but i haven't seen or > heard any tributes from David Gedge yet... David Gedge of The Wedding Present and Cinerama said (in the news secition at http://www.scopitones.co.uk ): "We are shocked and distraught to hear the news. Aside from the fact that he presented the most challenging and entertaining program on the radio, as everyone who looks at this web site already knows, he was a huge influence on my life and musical tastes. Both Sally and I have gotten to know John and his wife, Sheila, well over the last twenty years and can honestly say that we'd be hard pressed to name warmer, nicer people. Our thoughts are with her and the family. "He will be remembered for the huge number of great artists that he brought to the attention of the listening public. He was not a careerist and he was not affected by marketing campaigns. If he liked records, he played them on the radio. As a result, you heard music on his show that you would not hear anywhere else. His passing has a created a void in British culture. "I've rarely missed a programme since the late seventies; if I've ever been away, friends have taped it for me. I'm so used to hearing his voice that it feels like I've lost a member of my own family. I know many people will feel like that. John's show was much more than just a radio show. This is an unbelievably sad day." Simon Cleave simply added: "It's the end of an era". From john.bravin@... Thu Oct 28 21:12:22 2004 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:12:22 +0200 Subject: Sublime with the ridiculous References: Message-ID: <00d401c4bd22$0dff7640$0100a8c0@...> Saying thank you for 35 years of listening pleasure is the easy bit. So many memorable moments, some fortuitously captured on tape, and others merely distant memories. What is harder to deal with is knowing that this is the end of the eclectic mix, the beautifully crafted sublime with the ridiculous. Last night I could have wallowed in the old C90's, but instead I made the effort to get out and see a band. Not easy on a Wednesday in Brussels, but I went to see Horace Andy playing with a great backing band. Still in great voice, singing dancehall, but also loads of really echoey dub. John would have been proud - no "white boys playing guitars" in sight, and a room full of young kids dancing to someone who first recorded in 1966. But you have to ask; who'll play the dub now? John From morriso@... Thu Oct 28 21:22:08 2004 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:22:08 +0100 Subject: Excerpt from Peel's last show Message-ID: <000701c4bd23$6cfd9680$e6cf2cd9@Andrew> Hi all. It just so happens that I made a recording of part of John Peel's last ever show - because he'd read out an email from myself about my new job, and also sun a couple of tunes for Jane and I, after our cat was killed. I grabbed it as an mp3 so Jane could hear it - and it'll be a timeless part of my mp3 collection from now on. I've placed it online for you to hear at http://www.AndrewMorrison.co.uk/mp3/Dedications_14-10-2004.mp3 More importantly, did anyone listen to Mary Anne Hobbs last night when she played a recorded telephone message from John in Peru to Louise and Hermeet, asking if they could look up any record shops near where he was staying? His last ever recording - very poignant, and he even used the "F" word - could've done with one of my disclaimers for that one! Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... Website: http://www.AndrewMorrison.co.uk From diamondgeeezer@... Thu Oct 28 21:30:33 2004 From: diamondgeeezer@... (diamondgeeezer) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:30:33 -0000 Subject: Irreplaceable Message-ID: I'm amazed on here that most people are concerned more about Radio One's stratergy to 'replace' JP than actually writing about the mans work.Also everyone seems to discuss his recent programmes and ignore his real groundbreaking work of the late 60's and early 70's. How cares what Radio One do.Its such a confused station that they will mess it up anyway. On another topic , Q magazine must really hold its head down in shame.I couln't believe how they published a list of the Top 100 Important people in Pop Music and left JP out.Peel is responsible for more millionaries than the National Lottery. From rockerq@... Thu Oct 28 22:35:56 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:35:56 EDT Subject: [peel] Irreplaceable Message-ID: <1de.2d00cdb4.2eb2b22c@...> << everyone seems to discuss his recent programmes and ignore his real groundbreaking work of the late 60's and early 70's. >> (to paraphrase Steve Coogan) It's what he would have wanted!. He was always far more interested in the unheard pile of new stuff than any of the discs which filled his house (& Shed) filed under "Old"! And no-one listened to his show unless they wanted to hear the newest unheard bands - that was just as true in the '60s as it was until 2 weeks ago! OK we are all allowing ourselves the luxury of nostalgia to get us through this week - But where he'll really be missed is over the next few years - who knows how many new bands and projects will just give up because no-one gets to hear their stuff! Rocker From diamondgeeezer@... Thu Oct 28 23:32:57 2004 From: diamondgeeezer@... (diamondgeeezer) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:32:57 -0000 Subject: Irreplaceable In-Reply-To: <1de.2d00cdb4.2eb2b22c@...> Message-ID: Totally agree Rocker. Now what about Dandelion Records? !! OK more nostalgia Only the other day got hold of The Way We Live- great band.Peel had an eye(and ear) for the bands that filled voids in comptempary music.Whatever the genre. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@a... wrote: > << everyone seems to discuss his recent programmes and ignore his real > groundbreaking work of the late 60's and early 70's. >> > > (to paraphrase Steve Coogan) It's what he would have wanted!. > > He was always far more interested in the unheard pile of new stuff than any > of the discs which filled his house (& Shed) filed under "Old"! > > And no-one listened to his show unless they wanted to hear the newest unheard > bands - that was just as true in the '60s as it was until 2 weeks ago! > > OK we are all allowing ourselves the luxury of nostalgia to get us through > this week - But where he'll really be missed is over the next few years - who > knows how many new bands and projects will just give up because no- one gets to > hear their stuff! > > Rocker From vicarage@... Thu Oct 28 23:55:12 2004 From: vicarage@... (Jon) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:55:12 -0000 Subject: Irreplaceable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "diamondgeeezer" wrote: > > I'm amazed on here that most people are concerned more about Radio > One's stratergy to 'replace' JP than actually writing about the mans > work.Also everyone seems to discuss his recent programmes and ignore > his real groundbreaking work of the late 60's and early 70's. More than a voice coming out of the radio three nights a week for a great deal of our lives, I'm sure many of us saw him as a best friend. He was innovative and boundary-breaking from October 1967 right through to October 2004. No compromise. Since he was always looking to the future and never to the past it seems fitting that we should be concerned that his legacy of adventure and discovery should have a continuing place in British music radio culture. Jon From martinw@... Fri Oct 29 00:21:43 2004 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:21:43 +0100 Subject: One Minutes Noise Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20041028232010.02280f08@...> Mary Anne Hobbs on the radio has just picked up the Internet idea of 1 Minute's Noise for John at midday tomorrow (friday) Play something loud and obnoxious martinw From adyfoley@... Fri Oct 29 00:30:54 2004 From: adyfoley@... (ady foley) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:30:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Fwd: a minutes noise for peely Message-ID: <20041028223054.92191.qmail@...> i still can't really take it in but going on from what mary anne just mentioned, this is the mail i got sent from a mate in dublin. i'll be bringing the noise, shame i wont be able to raise a glass of red wine too. ady --- krossie@... wrote: > > I don't know about the rest of y'all but the death of John Peel has > really cut me up - its like the remains of the old youth washing down > the plug hole. Any way I don't usually like these ninutes silence > things - they're often a bit suspect and politically motivated. But I > was thinking in tribute to john Peel we should unleash 1 minutes > NOISE By this I mean punk, hard rock, death metal, drill n bass, > gabba, techno, industrial, drum "n" bass, hard ragga, electro, > jacking house - stuff the man himself would haved played. NOT alt- > country, anything by the Thrills, Westlife etc. This should be IN > YOUR WORKPLACE OR NEAR YOUR NEIGHBOURS FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT. > > I'm thinking 12 pm on Friday (in what ever time zone you b) - for all > the freaks, geeks, metallers, muzoids and noise merchants - show em > what ya got! > > FORWARD THIS ! > > Krossie > > ===== vacuous pop presents saturday 6 november fuck-off machete, the workhouse & detwiije the wheatsheaf, 129 high street, oxford doors 7.30pm / �5 / 18+ vacuous pop - record label & live promotions ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / the edmund fitzgerald / youthmovie soundtrack strategies / help she can't swim vacuous pop, po box 289, oxford ox5 1we | www.vacuouspop.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From dunelm@... Fri Oct 29 01:02:33 2004 From: dunelm@... (dunelm61) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:02:33 -0000 Subject: In The BBC Archives Message-ID: If anyone hears of anything to be broadcast in tribute by the BBC in the coming weeks, please post details here. I know, for example, that the usual 9am slot for Home Truths on Radio 4 will be given over to a tribute to John this Saturday (30th). But with so many new digital channels, it's difficult to spot everything. I'm hoping the BBC will make an effort. If it's possible, I'm hoping they'll show the Arena TV programme from the early eighties (featuring bands such as the Nightingales, and showing Peel's working relationship with John Walters). They should also rebroadcast his appearance on Desert Island Discs from around 15 years ago. Then there is all the stuff from the John Peel Night to celebrate his 60th birthday. I'm sure many of us would like to see and hear these programmes again as a reminder of why John was so loved and how much he enriched our lives. As someone who has been listening to John since the summer of 1977, I can say without exaggeration that he has done more to open my ears and eyes, more to broaden my tastes in music and the arts generally, more to shape my view of the world, than any other person. Thank you, John - we're all going to miss you. From kybosh@... Fri Oct 29 03:23:52 2004 From: kybosh@... (Kybosh) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:23:52 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> Message-ID: <41819BA8.000005.22173@T3O2M9> I was thinking this myself Martin - and feeling selfish for doing so I have to admit - but: I would like to say some of the DJs from Resonance FM take the spots. After all it was Peel who inspired them to start the station. In some ways they lack the pop sensibilty that Peelie had but, better that than Zane. Really, you need someone inhabiting the world between Lammo and The Mixing It Team. But that gap is enormous and that's why the great man had so much space to find the stuff he found. I'm trying to say I really can't think of anyone in the public eye to do the job. I suppose I'll listen to Sean Rowley as the closest I can get, but it's not that close :( -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/04 09:14:00 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Cc: zapsmart@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future Yesterday we were quite rightly in shock but today we must think of the future. Important decisions are going to be made at Radio 1 and soon There is a fundamental choice to be made here. It depends on whether they see Peel as representing a type of music in which case he would be replaced by someone similarly adventurous and eclectic or if they see Peel now as a personality dj who can therefore be replaced in the schedules by anything they choose. Another dance prog or a Zane clone perhaps (after all Zane plays 'new music' doesn't he grrrrrrrrrrh) It matters to me very much (and I hope to most on this list) that they take the former view. We can influence this The man making the decision will be Andy Parfitt at Radio 1 and he needs to be bombarded with with e-mails telling him that we expect the legacy of Peel to be continued and not lost in some slick rescheduling I don know his e-mail (does anyone?) but a guess would be andy.parfitt@... Someone has to stand between real music and the forces of blandness and mediocrity as represented by the likes of Simon Cowell and I don't fancy Zane Lowe for the job It matters folks and after the decision has been made will be too late. martinw From kybosh@... Fri Oct 29 03:29:46 2004 From: kybosh@... (Kybosh) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:29:46 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <00b201c4bc1b$52c445b0$2e90220a@...> Message-ID: <41819D0A.000007.22173@T3O2M9> Or they could keep it as aguest slot and invite people like The Wire and The Turntablist Crew from Resonance, or even Locals like Steve Barker and that team on the Brighton station I used to listen to when I was out that way. Maybe it would be better never to have a permanent replacement, accepting that no one will have quite the breadth that John had, but maybe they can achieve it with a team of presenters dedicated to real musical Iconoclasm. -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/04 12:54:53 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Peel - The Future On Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:11 PM [GMT+1=CET], Martin Wheatley wrote: Radio 1 have just revamped their schedule to a) give consistent 3 hour slots for daytime, and b) promote the specialist shows to starting at 7pm. I see no reason [1] why Parfitt would wish to go back on that so soon. Zane Lowe was certainly adding listeners in his old 8-10 slot, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case at 7-9 either. As for the 11-1 slot, they have two options, either they bring in a 'replacement' such as Lamacq, AN Other or even Mary Anne HobbGoblin or they promote the 1am shows (Rock Show (which would mean 4 hours for Mike Davies), Trevor Nelson, Annie Nightingale respectively) and stick something new at 1am, or they share the extra 2 hours out between Zane, the 9pms and the 1ams. From kybosh@... Fri Oct 29 03:32:14 2004 From: kybosh@... (Kybosh) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:32:14 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] What next? References: <18052604.1098898569387.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Message-ID: <41819D9E.000009.22173@T3O2M9> The really sad thing is that all the most radical shows are now on Radio 3. Damn I must be getting old! -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/04 18:36:19 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] What next? Aren't you all missing the point? No-one else can have the same eclectic taste as John Peel. Lamacq's show last night was basically a run through of 80s indie shoe-gazing music with a few 70s items. No Beefheart. No hip-hop. No twangy guitar. No country. Andy Kershaw is the most obvious replacement. He has a genuine love of music, and his taste certainly ranges far and wide. But it won't happen. And probably a good thing. Radio One should just move on. And Phil Edwards, I hope you've bought 20 Fall albums today. George Forsyth. From npu65@... Fri Oct 29 09:49:42 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:49:42 +0100 Subject: Light relief Message-ID: <003701c4bd8b$d9fd81b0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> One Peel memory that's made me smile this week happened in February 1983 a couple of days after Liverpool were dumped out of the FA Cup by Brighton . Instead of Pickin' The Blues leading into the show as usual, he started off with a recording of some seagulls, promptly followed by the sounds of gunfire then the Kop Choir singing You'll Never Walk Alone. Peelie excorsised his demons again that week as he was presenting Top Of The Pops. As he was running through the chart countdown, (I forget the song in question) "and now going down, like Brighton..." - who else would have done that? :-) N From robstrong@... Fri Oct 29 11:22:23 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:22:23 +0100 Subject: [peel] Peel - The Future References: <4.3.2.7.2.20041027090020.00c350b8@...> <41819BA8.000005.22173@T3O2M9> Message-ID: <007501c4bd98$e4da31c0$ae4c2452@oemcomputer> From: "Kybosh" > I would like to say some of the DJs from Resonance FM take the spots. > The Wire The Wire have, in the last year, become yet another payola vehicle - you take out advertising or pay our ridiculous �350 per track to be on our cover CD, and we'll give you a positive review. Resonance FM is unheard by 99.9% of the UK population. What little contact I've had with the station suggests that they're overly tied to the bunch of narcissistic wazzocks that make up the London 'free music' scene. The last thing we need is more London-centric media. Rob From cynicaldj@... Fri Oct 29 17:39:23 2004 From: cynicaldj@... (cynicaldj) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:39:23 -0000 Subject: Peel F.M.?! Message-ID: Hello Group, May I take this opportunity to thank the Moderator for accepting my Application for Membership to this Group. My name is Nathan, I am from Kent, in the United Kingdom and for about 15 years I have been a dedicated listener of The John Peel Shows on B.B.C Radio One. On Tuesday, 26th October 2004, when it was announced that John had suffered a heart attack and was no longer with us. I, along with several thousands, if not millions of others, have been grieving ever since. His warmth, personality, and humour will be sadly missed. One aspect of his Programmes that should be retained is, as he would argue himself was the most important factor, the MUSIC. It's too early to say whether Radio One will want to (or be able to) keep a Programme "on-the-air" that kept the diverse Music available that he played, but I would like to make some form of contribution, and the best - and cheapest - way of doing this is via an Internet Radio Station. This is not merely blowing hot air; I am a Professional Computer Technician AND Hospital Radio Manager and Presenter for about as long as I've been listening to John. I have also Presented for an R.S.L. So, is anyone interested in discussing this further, let me know? Rock In Peace - John Peel. P.S. I have set up my own Yahoo! Group for this purpose at: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/peelfm though this is intended to compliment this Group, not compete with it. From troche@... Fri Oct 29 18:43:33 2004 From: troche@... (troche@...) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:43:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Nice tributes from the Coventry paper Message-ID: <10039008.1099068213604.JavaMail.root@...> Nice tributes from the Coventry paper Coventry Evening Telegraph, Thu, 28 Oct 2004 5:57 AM PDT ic Coventry - City musicians' tributes to DJ Peel http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=14807001%26method=full%26siteid=50003%26headline=city%2dmusicians%2d%2dtributes%2dto%2ddj%2dpeel-name_page.html City news City musicians' tributes to DJ Peel Oct 28 2004   Coventry musicians have made their own tributes to broadcasting legend John Peel, credited with helping to kick-start the birth of the city's 2-Tone era. The 65-year-old DJ, who started his career in the US before moving to work in pirate Radio London, died after suffering a heart attack on Monday while on holiday in Peru. With his Radio 1 show, he was responsible for launching the careers of bands across the Midlands, including The Specials and The Selecter in Coventry and The Beat in Birmingham, all of whom recorded for Coventry's 2-Tone label. Former Specials bassist Horace Panter said: "John Peel was the first DJ to play Gangsters. He championed it, playing it on the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and then the next Monday. "Peel was the champion for what has become alternative music, which perhaps ought to be called intelligent music. Andy and Liz Kershaw have kind of taken over his mantle but I don't know who else will play Cannibal Corpse on the radio." The Beat's Ranking Roger said: "John Peel was a one off. There are lots of people who try to be like him but he didn't try to be like anyone else. "From beginning to the end he always played obscure music that I ended up loving two or three years later. In the early Beat days we were playing a show in Birmingham and he was DJing. "He loved our set so much he made us do it again. We were meant to get £50 and he was meant to get £500 and he swopped the cheques around. That was the heart of the man." The Selecter's Pauline Black hosted Peel's show in his absence in the 1980s. She said: "He leaves an enormous gap. I don't know anyone who could fill his boots or even reach down and kiss his boots. "It was all about the music. And his personality shone through all the stronger through the music he chose. "You thought he was someone who would go on for ever and ever, even though he was 65. "He was the rockingest senior citizen in town." Record producer Roger Lomas said: "He always had time for you and was very down to earth. I don't know who is going to fill the gap. He never changed through his whole career. He seemed to have one goal - to help new bands."     Top | Back | E-mail to a friend | Printable version From troche@... Fri Oct 29 18:49:15 2004 From: troche@... (troche@...) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:49:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: This showed up on the Pirate Radio newsgroup... Message-ID: <5835499.1099068556011.JavaMail.root@...> This is a tribute from the first radio station John Peel ever worked on 1961 in Dallas. Legendary BBC announcer John Peel's career started at WRR Peel co-hosted WRR blues program 'Kat's Karavan' in early 1960s WRR Press Release John Peel (1939-2004) John Robert Parker Ravenscroft (Aug. 30. 1939 - Oct. 25, 2004), known professionally as John Peel, was a British disc jockey and radio personality. He was one of the original DJs of BBC Radio 1. Known for his wide range of taste in music, Peel was one of the most popular and respected DJs in the United Kingdom. Peel was a recipient of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for his services in broadcasting. Ironically, Peel got his start in radio not in the UK, but in Dallas, Texas at WRR 1310 AM. Peel was born into a well-off family in Heswall near Liverpool . After completing his National Service, he traveled to America and worked for WRR. Peel recalled his start at WRR in a recent BBC interview: "I started off in 1961 in Dallas with WRR. I introduced the second hour of 'Kat's Karavan,' a rhythm and blues program." Peel also noted: "I got the job because I had some records [WRR] didn't, specifically an LP by Lightnin' Hopkins, a Texas blues-man." Peel died of a heart attack at age 65 on Oct. 25, 2004 while on a working holiday in the Inca city of Cuzco in Peru. Mayor of Dallas, Laura Miller said: "WRR has been a pioneer of radio broadcasting since 1921. John Peel's love of broadcasting and music was a grounding force for the station. He will be missed not only by his BBC fans in England, but also by the many broadcasting enthusiasts in Dallas." WRR general manager Greg Davis noted: "WRR benefited greatly from John Peel's vast knowledge and his indomitable love of music. WRR extends its deepest condolences to the BBC and Peel family." "Kat's Karavan" was the brainchild of WRR program director Jim Lowe (1928 - 2000). The program, which focused on the rich tapestry of African American blues music, aired from 1953-1967, weeknights 10:30 p.m. - midnight. Lowe hosted the first half of the show. Beginning in 1961, Peel hosted the second half of the show. "Kat's Karavan's" gritty blues format proved popular with Texas teenagers looking for an alternative to the often-sanitized pop music of the period. A recently discovered recording of a WRR "Kat's Karavan" radio broadcast from 1961 is available for listening at the WRR Web site: http://www.wrr101.com/headlines/kats_karavan.shtml. Although the audio recording predates Peel's arrival at WRR by several months, it illustrates the flavor of the program. It is believed that Peel co-hosted the "Kat's Karavan" program for a couple of years. By 1967, Peel had returned to the UK and was on his way to international celebrity as announcer for BBC's Radio 1, where he would host such shows as "Top Gear" and "The John Peel Show." Licensed in 1921, WRR is Texas' first radio station and the second oldest commercially licensed station in the United States. WRR is the only 24-hour classical radio station in Texas. WRR 101.1 FM broadcasts from historic Fair Park in Dallas at 100,000 watts and is heard throughout North Texas. WRR simulcasts its terrestrial broadcast on the Internet at www.wrr101.com. http://www.wrr101.com/headlines/peel_john.shtml From troche@... Fri Oct 29 20:44:41 2004 From: troche@... (troche@...) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:44:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: This was another newsgroup post Message-ID: <27828757.1099075482262.JavaMail.root@...> These downloads might be esp useful to the iPod crwod. Note if you download any files from a newsgroup, virus scan them first -- tom r All messages from thread Message 1 in threadFrom: Jon Q (noemail@...id) Subject: John Peel programmes available as mp3s   View this article onlyNewsgroups: uk.media.radio.bbc-r1 Date: 2004-10-28 11:19:48 PST I have posted, or intend to post, each of the following files to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie. Peel's final programmes will follow once I have transferred them to my computer. I will crosspost my files if someone tells me that they want them and that they can't get them on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie. Please post any Peel recordings that you have. 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Subject: Re: John Peel programmes available as mp3s   View this article onlyNewsgroups: uk.media.radio.bbc-r1 Date: 2004-10-28 15:50:37 PST "Jon Q" wrote in message news:281020041920069217%noemail@...... > I have posted, or intend to post, each of the following files to > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie. Peel's final programmes will follow once > I have transferred them to my computer. What a star you are Jon - thank you Post a follow-up to this message ©2004 Google From ianst88@... Sat Oct 30 04:24:02 2004 From: ianst88@... (ianst88) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:24:02 -0000 Subject: Peel on ITV Message-ID: Hi folks, There was a Peel show on ITV tonight in which he visited the home he shared with his parents during his childhood...he recounted tales of german fighters flying over the house, trees in the back garden he built houses in....really moving stuff...I think it was called 'Going Home'...hopefully plenty more Peel tributes to come. Ian From cynicaldj@... Sat Oct 30 06:34:11 2004 From: cynicaldj@... (cynicaldj) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:34:11 -0000 Subject: World Service Tribute. Message-ID: Hello again, Along with the I.T.V. Tribute which I didn't see this time around = I believe I have it on V.H.S. somewhere, there was a very moving Tribute courtesy of the B.B.C. World Service, presented by Mr. Mark Coles, where he used to have a 30 minute slot. I do wish they'd stop using Grinderswitch though, that was his Signature Tune, and not anybody elses - sorry if I sound pedantic, I'm still trying to come to terms with it all. Goodnight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/peel.shtml From lists@... Sat Oct 30 12:33:52 2004 From: lists@... (Gary) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:52 -0000 Subject: Peel archive Message-ID: For the people asking about obtaining the last show,my John Peel archive is avaliable to download (74Gb worth) on the edonkey 2P2 file sharing network. Every program since April 2001, various Perfumed Garden programs, a couple of Top Gears and of course the Festive Fifties. Niag From gpwebster@... Sat Oct 30 13:26:13 2004 From: gpwebster@... (hammieweb) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:26:13 -0000 Subject: for what its worth... Message-ID: ...I've been listening to John Peel on and off since about 1978 and I would like to say is what I really liked about him was the fact that he didn't say too much, he just got on with playing the music. No stupid jingles, no talking over records, just a good bloke who loved the music he played. I met him once about 1981 at a John Peel Roadshow at Preston Poly and talked to him on the phone in 1992 when I asked him to play something for my then girlfriend, now wife, Janice. He did and we still have the tape!! These are memories I will always treasure. John Peel - Thank You Graham Webster PS Thanks to everyone who contributes to this discussion group (especially Bill Spiby & Claire who we used to talk to on Napster) - Keep It Alive Keep It Peel!!!! From sqdrldr@... Sat Oct 30 23:54:34 2004 From: sqdrldr@... (sqdrldr) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:54:34 -0000 Subject: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel Message-ID: Hello all, Just to say I still am hugely saddened by John Peel's death. It's nothing less than a tragedy round here. In order that some good might come out of this sad time, is any body interested in the concept of a .peel newsgroup on Usenet to keep his work and spirit alive? I know people here are using EDonkey or other networks to spread the music that John brought us, but maybe we could do better. Newer P2P networrks are either slow, not cross-platform, or lately under threat from the RIAA/BPI goblins. Usenet (hence my proposal) is fast, anonymous and enduring. Music is available for many weeks on a good server. It's simply, in my humble opinion, a better way to share music than any other. Unless you have a radio station that is. To that end I've posted some old sessions under another nom-de-net on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie (many thanks and much respect to JonQ and others there as well) but normally (here's the thing) mp3.indie is merely the net equivalent of the NME, eg indie band du jour, and the antithesis of intelligent (Peel-style) freeranging taste. As far as other natural Usenet homes of Peeliana go- a.b.s.m.avantgarde is just too often a home for hairshirted jazz bores, and the .reggae people as you might expect exclusively post reggae, and so on. All very boring, all very limited, and again, very unlike the reasons for tuning into radio 1 at nights, year in year out. Lastly, we can count on the BBC not to do proper justice to John's legacy. Only this morning on the Home Truths tribute programme they were talking about having lost Peel- related stuff from the archives. *Sighs* So it's up to us. I've never started a newsgroup before, but I understand it's not a complex process. That's alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel I'm suggesting. Anybody interested ? Sqdrldr From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 00:13:52 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:13:52 +0100 Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel References: Message-ID: <01ef01c4becd$bd64a7c0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sqdrldr" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > > > > > Hello all, > > Just to say I still am hugely saddened by John Peel's death. > > It's nothing less than a tragedy round here. > > In order that some good might come out of this sad time, is any body > interested in the > concept of a .peel newsgroup on Usenet to keep his work and spirit alive? > > I know people here are using EDonkey or other networks to spread the music > that John brought us, but maybe we could do better. > > Newer P2P networrks are either slow, not cross-platform, or lately under > threat from the > RIAA/BPI goblins. > > Usenet (hence my proposal) is fast, anonymous and enduring. Music is > available for many > weeks on a good server. It's simply, in my humble opinion, a better way to > share music > than any other. Unless you have a radio station that is. > > To that end I've posted some old sessions under another nom-de-net on > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie (many thanks and much respect to JonQ and > others there as > well) but normally (here's the thing) mp3.indie is merely the net > equivalent of the NME, eg > indie band du jour, and the antithesis of intelligent (Peel-style) > freeranging taste. > > As far as other natural Usenet homes of Peeliana go- a.b.s.m.avantgarde > is just too often > a home for hairshirted jazz bores, and the .reggae people as you might > expect exclusively > post reggae, and so on. > > All very boring, all very limited, and again, very unlike the reasons for > tuning into radio 1 at nights, year in year out. > > Lastly, we can count on the BBC not to do proper justice to John's legacy. > Only this > morning on the Home Truths tribute programme they were talking about > having lost Peel- > related stuff from the archives. *Sighs* > > So it's up to us. > > I've never started a newsgroup before, but I understand it's not a complex > process. > > That's alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel I'm suggesting. > > Anybody interested ? > > Sqdrldr > The BBC may have lost some of their archives, but between this group and Sqdrldr's proposed one on Usenet I'm sure that we can plug a few gaps. I've got various cassette recordings from the 1980s but as yet haven't got round to uploading them onto my hard drive. While I'm here, I picked up a copy of the Third Ear guide to Alternative Rock by Dave Thompson today, which although an American reference book published in 2000, has four pages on Peel plus an index of all Peel sessions between 1977-79 plus listings for Strange Fruit/Peel Sessions albums. �2.97 from Music Zone, folks. N "Glory, Glory - Sharp As A Needle" From newswire@... Sun Oct 31 00:14:08 2004 From: newswire@... (Mark) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:14:08 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel References: Message-ID: <41841230.000001.72377@T3O2M9> It's a really excellent idea. I'm sure you know many of us already post peel sessions to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie and I'm sure your idea would work very well. BTW it'a not actually that hard to get a group going in the defacto sense. You can bypass alot of the redtape by just requesting it on the main feeder servers like Supernews and Giganews. As for the Control message - although it can't be done with Outlook Express it can with almost all other newsreaders including the free Gravity which I think can still be found on Tom's Gravity Page. But even easier is to find one of the usenet Mavericks like those on alt free.newsservers. Then just ask and more often than not they'll oblige just to piss off the usenet police - an informal term for usenet's equivalent of grammar snobs. However if you want to do it the "right way" then look at http://www learnthenet.com/english/html/29start.htm or search for something better. In short it's avery good idea. But there are encrypted p2p nets like www.filetopia.com where you can lso start your own group and it's very very stable. I use it myself. It's anonymous in the sense that you can't get a users IP address unless he agrees. Otherwise the exchange is authenticated with public key cryptography Lets bounce this one round and see where we go. After all we need something robust if we do it. -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/30/04 23:02:51 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds mp3.peel Usenet (hence my proposal) is fast, anonymous and enduring. Music is available for many weeks on a good server. It's simply, in my humble opinion, a better way to share music than any other. Unless you have a radio station that is. To that end I've posted some old sessions under another nom-de-net on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie (many thanks and much respect to JonQ and others there as well) but normally (here's the thing) mp3.indie is merely the net equivalent of the NME, eg indie band du jour, and the antithesis of intelligent (Peel-style) freeranging taste. As far as other natural Usenet homes of Peeliana go- a.b.s.m.avantgarde is just too often a home for hairshirted jazz bores, and the .reggae people as you might expect exclusively post reggae, and so on. All very boring, all very limited, and again, very unlike the reasons for tuning into radio 1 at nights, year in year out. Lastly, we can count on the BBC not to do proper justice to John's legacy. Only this morning on the Home Truths tribute programme they were talking about having lost Peel- related stuff from the archives. *Sighs* So it's up to us. I've never started a newsgroup before, but I understand it's not a complex process. That's alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel I'm suggesting. Anybody interested ? Sqdrldr Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From cklee@... Sun Oct 31 01:45:30 2004 From: cklee@... (ckitlee) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:45:30 -0000 Subject: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel In-Reply-To: <41841230.000001.72377@T3O2M9> Message-ID: Sorry for my ignorance. I don't know how you can save the files to a listenable file from the newsgroup. It seems the .mp3 file is "within" the message but not an attached file which I can detach. CK --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" wrote: > It's a really excellent idea. I'm sure you know many of us already post peel > sessions to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie and I'm sure your idea would work > very well. > > > > BTW it'a not actually that hard to get a group going in the defacto sense. > You can bypass alot of the redtape by just requesting it on the main feeder > servers like Supernews and Giganews. > > > > As for the Control message - although it can't be done with Outlook Express > it can with almost all other newsreaders including the free Gravity which I > think can still be found on Tom's Gravity Page. > > > > But even easier is to find one of the usenet Mavericks like those on alt > free.newsservers. Then just ask and more often than not they'll oblige just > to piss off the usenet police - an informal term for usenet's equivalent of > grammar snobs. > > > > However if you want to do it the "right way" then look at http://www > learnthenet.com/english/html/29start.htm > > > > or search for something better. In short it's avery good idea. > > > > But there are encrypted p2p nets like www.filetopia.com where you can lso > start your own group and it's very very stable. I use it myself. It's > anonymous in the sense that you can't get a users IP address unless he > agrees. Otherwise the exchange is authenticated with public key cryptography > > > > > Lets bounce this one round and see where we go. After all we need something > robust if we do it. > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 10/30/04 23:02:51 > > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds > mp3.peel > > > > > > > > > > Usenet (hence my proposal) is fast, anonymous and enduring. Music is > available for many > > weeks on a good server. It's simply, in my humble opinion, a better way to > share music > > than any other. Unless you have a radio station that is. > > > > To that end I've posted some old sessions under another nom-de-net on > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie (many thanks and much respect to JonQ and > others there as > > well) but normally (here's the thing) mp3.indie is merely the net equivalent > of the NME, eg > > indie band du jour, and the antithesis of intelligent (Peel-style) > freeranging taste. > > > > As far as other natural Usenet homes of Peeliana go- a.b.s.m.avantgarde is > just too often > > a home for hairshirted jazz bores, and the .reggae people as you might > expect exclusively > > post reggae, and so on. > > > > All very boring, all very limited, and again, very unlike the reasons for > > tuning into radio 1 at nights, year in year out. > > > > Lastly, we can count on the BBC not to do proper justice to John's legacy. > Only this > > morning on the Home Truths tribute programme they were talking about having > lost Peel- > > related stuff from the archives. *Sighs* > > > > So it's up to us. > > > > I've never started a newsgroup before, but I understand it's not a complex > > process. > > > > That's alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel I'm suggesting. > > > > Anybody interested ? > > > > Sqdrldr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > > > > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 01:51:06 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:51:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel References: Message-ID: <010001c4bedb$525628b0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> What news program are you using? If it's Outlook Express, highlight all parts that you need, right-click, then Combine and Decode. N ----- Original Message ----- From: "ckitlee" To: Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: [peel] Re: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel > > > Sorry for my ignorance. > > I don't know how you can save the files to a listenable file from the > newsgroup. It seems the .mp3 file is "within" the message but not an > attached file which I can detach. > > > CK > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" wrote: >> It's a really excellent idea. I'm sure you know many of us already > post peel >> sessions to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie and I'm sure your idea > would work >> very well. >> >> >> >> BTW it'a not actually that hard to get a group going in the > defacto sense. >> You can bypass alot of the redtape by just requesting it on the > main feeder >> servers like Supernews and Giganews. >> >> >> >> As for the Control message - although it can't be done with Outlook > Express >> it can with almost all other newsreaders including the free Gravity > which I >> think can still be found on Tom's Gravity Page. >> >> >> >> But even easier is to find one of the usenet Mavericks like those > on alt >> free.newsservers. Then just ask and more often than not they'll > oblige just >> to piss off the usenet police - an informal term for usenet's > equivalent of >> grammar snobs. >> >> >> >> However if you want to do it the "right way" then look at http://www >> learnthenet.com/english/html/29start.htm >> >> >> >> or search for something better. In short it's avery good idea. >> >> >> >> But there are encrypted p2p nets like www.filetopia.com where you > can lso >> start your own group and it's very very stable. I use it myself. > It's >> anonymous in the sense that you can't get a users IP address unless > he >> agrees. Otherwise the exchange is authenticated with public key > cryptography >> >> >> >> >> Lets bounce this one round and see where we go. After all we need > something >> robust if we do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> >> >> From: peel@yahoogroups.com >> >> Date: 10/30/04 23:02:51 >> >> To: peel@yahoogroups.com >> >> Subject: [peel] a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: > alt.binaries.sounds >> mp3.peel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Usenet (hence my proposal) is fast, anonymous and enduring. Music is >> available for many >> >> weeks on a good server. It's simply, in my humble opinion, a better > way to >> share music >> >> than any other. Unless you have a radio station that is. >> >> >> >> To that end I've posted some old sessions under another nom-de-net > on >> >> alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.indie (many thanks and much respect to JonQ > and >> others there as >> >> well) but normally (here's the thing) mp3.indie is merely the net > equivalent >> of the NME, eg >> >> indie band du jour, and the antithesis of intelligent (Peel-style) >> freeranging taste. >> >> >> >> As far as other natural Usenet homes of Peeliana go- > a.b.s.m.avantgarde is >> just too often >> >> a home for hairshirted jazz bores, and the .reggae people as you > might >> expect exclusively >> >> post reggae, and so on. >> >> >> >> All very boring, all very limited, and again, very unlike the > reasons for >> >> tuning into radio 1 at nights, year in year out. >> >> >> >> Lastly, we can count on the BBC not to do proper justice to John's > legacy. >> Only this >> >> morning on the Home Truths tribute programme they were talking > about having >> lost Peel- >> >> related stuff from the archives. *Sighs* >> >> >> >> So it's up to us. >> >> >> >> I've never started a newsgroup before, but I understand it's not a > complex >> >> process. >> >> >> >> That's alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel I'm suggesting. >> >> >> >> Anybody interested ? >> >> >> >> Sqdrldr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ >> >> >> >> peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From newswire@... Sun Oct 31 02:12:30 2004 From: newswire@... (Mark) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:12:30 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] Re: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel References: Message-ID: <41842DEE.000001.88585@T3O2M9> Well, CK, you will need a suitable newsreader. Xnews is free and very good, doing binaries and text equally Then you need a news server that carries binaries and not all of them do. Most do in the UK, but reading your message header it looks like you are not in the UK and I don't know who Netvigator are [Your ISP?] If your ISP doesn't do newsgroups or doesn't carry binaries then you could look at Terranews, which is sort of free and reputedly very good, or you could pay for a first class server like Easynews, where they have a retention of 90 days or so. If you are thinking of paying, think in the range of $10 for a decent feed. Lastly, my apologies to the rest of the group for meandering off topic. -------Original Message------- From: peel@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/31/04 00:53:46 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Re: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries sounds.mp3.peel Sorry for my ignorance. I don't know how you can save the files to a listenable file from the newsgroup. It seems the .mp3 file is "within" the message but not an attached file which I can detach. From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 03:47:28 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:47:28 -0000 Subject: Sunday Times interview 31 Oct 2004 Message-ID: <05b401c4bef3$f62f4580$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> Interview: Robert Sandall met John Peel Last words of middle England's accidental hero I had not realised John Peel hardly ever went on foreign holidays, or that he was a nervous flyer. He was explaining this to one of the guests on his Radio 4 programme Home Truths on the morning earlier this month when I went to meet him at a studio in Broadcasting House. That day Peel was recording interviews for a programme that would be transmitted after he and his wife Sheila had departed for a Peruvian resort in the Andes. We did not know at the time that he would not return to the studio, or that I would be transcribing this interview after his death. As he mentioned the various tranquillisers he would be taking to ward off the terrors of the long flight and described their destination - "just the usual tourist spots, you know" - he didn't sound terribly excited at the prospect. But it was a free trip - "a sort of junket"- and Sheila was looking forward to it, and that, it seemed, was the main thing. I have no idea whether he was actually ill at the time, but Peel certainly looked as if he needed a holiday. I had heard that his friend and former Radio 1 mucker Andy Kershaw had recently told him, "John, you look terrible!", and frankly it was hard to disagree. A steadily expanding pot belly, combined with his middling (5ft 7in) stature was turning Peel into the original roly-poly man. More alarming were his grey, sagging features and in particular those small, unnaturally sunken eyes. This guy, you felt, hadn't slept properly for weeks. He said he'd been working hard recently on his autobiography, which was now half finished. The toughest part was sorting through the thousands of letters he'd kept from musicians he had supported over the years and deciding which to use and which to discard. By a strange coincidence one of those old correspondents suddenly appeared in the lounge area outside the studio where we were talking: this was Bill Nelson, former leader of the long forgotten 1970s progressive band Be Bop Deluxe, here to talk to the digital radio channel 6 music. Peel greeted him affably and the two elderly rock gents reminisced for a while. "I think I might have actually got rid of his letters," Peel said later with a sly grin. I had come to interview him in connection with a feature I was preparing for The Sunday Times Magazine on Home Truths, the Saturday morning programme of real-life stories and quirky listeners'anecdotes that finally turned him, in his sixties, into a slightly unlikely hero of middle England. He was happy to oblige, although he was quick to point out: "I always let people know that the Radio 1 job is my primary interest. Home Truths has never been in my hands the way the Radio 1 programme has." This was broadly true, but not the whole story. While Peel was always allowed total freedom to play what he liked during his 37-year tenure at Radio 1 - unlike Home Truths where the content was submitted by listeners and selected by the production team - he never had any say as to when the John Peel show went out. Recently it had moved back to 11.30pm, a graveyard slot, which meant that for three nights a week Peel had to stay up till the early hours playing his favourite " grime" tracks or checking rock's new "indie" hopefuls. Factor in the autobiography, a couple of days spent interviewing, scripting and recording Home Truths, and all the attendant toing and froing between London and his "Peel acres" converted farmhouse in Suffolk, and you began to realise why he was looking so rough. For a 65-year-old man who had three years previously been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, Peel had one punishing schedule. But like the sturdy contributors who recount their traumatic experiences, dry-eyed, week in week out on Home Truths, Peel wasn't complaining. Nor was he prepared to take any credit for the success of his programme. He was "very much at the mercy of the listeners". The show wasn't a personal achievement so much as an institution that had been kind enough to take him in. "The only things I've got any experience of are things that have gone on for a long time," he explained. "And that sort of success, if success indeed is what that is, can be very restrictive. During punk, for instance, the requirements of the audience took the programme out of my hands." That famously self-effacing manner belied the fact that Peel jumped at any chance of talking - on air and off - about himself , his wife and their four children. That day he was on his favourite hobbyhorse: youth employment. "The thing that bothers me as a parent, because it affects me four times, is the distress you feel, which surpasses all other distressing things, watching your grown-up children try to find decent work. One of my sons was treated so badly I said I was prepared to be the first white middle-class suicide bomber. I would go into his office and detonate myself if it meant I could take some of those bastards with me." He'd tried to interest Home Truths listeners in this topic, he said, but got no response. "Other stuff that I'm not interested in at all they pick up and run with for weeks." Broadcasting to the nation as a family man, rather than as the oldest indie fan in the land, brought out the sentimental softie in Peel - a side he tried to keep under wraps in public but increasingly found he couldn't. "I find myself identifying with an extraordinary number of the situations people describe on the programme," he said. He recalled the woman from Chesterfield who came on to talk about her son who was killed while he was waiting for his A-level results. "She'd got it all sorted out in her mind, in the very admirable way that people do, and she could talk about it emotionally, obviously, but without losing control." Peel meanwhile had dissolved into floods of tears. "Our son Thomas was waiting for his A-level results at the time. And she was the one saying, 'It's all right John...' " Never one to miss an opportunity to tell a story against himself, Peel was keen to point out that his early years on Home Truths in the late 1990s had been pretty shaky. "When I first started doing it I was very unenthusiastic about interviewing strangers on the phone. And I don't think I was very good at it. But I was flattered, as you would be as a Radio 1 DJ, when you're asked to do something for Radio 4, which I regard as very much the senior network." He told how as a child in Liverpool during the war he had listened to BBC news bulletins in a bomb shelter at the bottom of the garden. Working for BBC radio had always been, he said, the summit of his ambition as a broadcaster. "I like it as an institution. I like the idea of having a national audience. If I ever leave the BBC it will be their decision, not mine." Although nobody would have guessed from the cutting-edge music he remained addicted to until the end, age had clearly mellowed Peel. Once a public school dropout who left Shrewsbury with four O-levels, he had recently begun to feel reconciled to the sort of people he left behind when he began DJ-ing in Texas in 1960. In particular he had been surprised recently to discover an affinity for the son of a junior Tory minister blown up by the Brighton bomb at the Conservative party conference in 1984. Edward, son of Sir Anthony Berry, had come on to Home Truths the week before to describe the evening he spent with his father in the Grand hotel only hours before the explosion that killed him. "He was very English in an old-fashioned way," said Peel, "the sort I grew up amongst. He seemed very upright and correct, almost too much in control, and not the kind of person to whom I would feel at all drawn under normal circumstances." Edward Berry and his dead father, however, had touched a nerve. "He just seemed like a decent man and you could sense a vulnerability there. He'd got to the point where he was getting on with his dad as an adult for the first time. From personal experience I know how amazing that is. It doesn't happen until they're in their early twenties." Three of Peel's own children - William, 28, Flossie, 26, and 24-year-old Tom - had passed through that gateway. Sadly, he and his own father hadn't. A comfortable middle-class upbringing in the Wirral had given him an expensive education and, after two years of National Service, the freedom to spend the early 1960s scooting around the country of the music he loved, America. But it hadn't yielded an intimate relationship with his father. A well-to-do Liverpudlian cotton trader, Robert Ravenscroft died in the year his younger son returned to England with a new surname and began broadcasting with the pirate station Radio London. "I was 28 when my father died, but I was a very juvenile 28. It's the one great regret of my life that I never got to know my dad as well as I would have liked." Ironically, Peel's eldest son William has lost his father at exactly the same age. A last-ditch attempt to get him to reflect on his remarkable popularity as the Radio 4 show's host foundered on Peel's invincible modesty. Why did he think that so many people came to him to share experiences on air which in many cases they had never spoken of before to anybody else? In short, why him? "I've no idea," he almost snapped. "It's not for me to say. I'm flattered that it is so." After much prodding he said he "tried to make it like a conversation you might have with someone in a pub". And, amiably downbeat to the last, off he went. Had I known it would be the last interview he would give I would have tried to keep him there. But it was time for Peel to return to the studio to interview another Home Truths guest "down the line" in a BBC studio in the West Country. Two weeks later the BBC received more than 30,000 calls and e-mails in a single day from listeners all over the world saying how much they loved him and would miss him. From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 03:54:12 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:54:12 -0000 Subject: More Sunday copy and paste Message-ID: <05bd01c4bef4$e7195030$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> Peel Unplugged No one summed up John Peel better than Peel himself. While researching a book about Radio 1, Simon Garfield got to know the enormously influential DJ, who died last week. Here he offers some favourite tales - in Peel's own words Sunday October 31, 2004 The Observer Six years ago, I conducted a series of interviews with John Peel at Radio 1 and in the wine bar nearby. It wasn't difficult work: I turned on the tape-recorder and sat back, and after 10 minutes of mild suspicion and Rioja he hit a groove of sad and funny stories that brought tears to his eyes and mine, and all I could do was hope the batteries were fresh. My memory of him is of a hugely sensitive man who cared very much about his music and his family, but also about how he was regarded by others. A magazine interview he had recently given had been very harsh on him, questioning whether he genuinely liked most of the records he played, and Peel had been terribly hurt by it. Looking back, it is significant how often in our conversations he considered his standing among his peers, and how much he relished his reputation as a pariah within the corporation. This was a role he found useful to foster, but in truth he was a shy and quiet man, prone to internalising his anger. And he was immensely loyal; he knew that he could only function in public service broadcasting, and in time he became its best advertisement. I had first met him 18 years earlier, when he provided the narration for a radio documentary I had written. I told him how thrilled I was to hear him voice my script, and was astonished when he replied that he was genuinely happy to have the extra work. The extent of his talents was not fully exploited until Home Truths many years later. His impact on so many lives has not been fully measured until the past week. His producer and great friend John Walters, who Peel was convinced would deliver the eulogy at his funeral but died three years before him, had warned me that many of Peel's stories were embellished, and he could prove that some of them couldn't possibly be true. Peel often told him that his grandfather used to get champagne on the National Health. Walters questioned him on this, and Peel always said, 'Yes, champagne.' Eventually, the story changed. 'Oh, I asked my mum, and I muddled it up,' Peel conceded one day. 'It wasn't champagne. It was morphine.' Peel told me that his domestic life had recently been 'complicated'. His beloved wife Sheila had a made a good recovery from her brain haemorrhage, an event he found 'unimaginably terrifying', but her eyesight had deteriorated. In addition, her mother had recently died, and her father had moved in, and their children were in various stages of leaving home. Throughout these turmoils, there was one reliable comfort. He said that everything 'seems to be all right again when I come in and start mispronouncing the names of songs'. Here are my own favourite Peel stories from those tapes. On discovering Elvis: 'I'm a great believer in getting your priorities wrong, setting your sights low, so that you don't go through your whole life frustrated that you never became prime minister. As a young lad, I used to listen to the American Forces Network in Europe, coming out of Stuttgart, and to Radio Luxembourg, and the signals were always satisfyingly feeble, so that you really felt you were participating in something quite exceptional. The record that genuinely changed my life was on Two-Way Family Favourites on the BBC. It may be hard now to understand how frustrating it was to listen to the radio then, because you could often sit and listen to a programme for several hours and not hear a single record that you liked. You'd listen to things like Housewives' Choice in the morning - based on the premise, shared by Radio 1 when it started, that housewives were some sort of subnormal minority group, as if perfectly sensible women would walk down the aisle but then return as gibbering idiots. Two-Way Family Favourites was a show that reunited our boys overseas with their families back home on a Sunday lunchtime. One afternoon I heard them say, 'Lance Bombardier Higgins has requested the first record by the new American singing sensation Elvis Presley.' On came Elvis, and it sounds idiotic to say it now, but at the time 'Heartbreak Hotel' was just a revelation, like being transported immediately to another planet. The only thing that came close was when I heard Little Richard a few weeks later. It was genuinely frightening, as if something had been unleashed on the world that would never go back in the bottle. It turned out to be the case, wonderfully. The quest for perfection: 'I lived in the States for seven years in the Sixties. In the days before we knew about sexism, me and a couple of mates used to follow the fortunes of a young woman who performed under the name of Chris Colt, the Girl with the 45s. We used to follow her from grisly strip joint to grisly strip joint. I was driving back from a particularly exhilarating performance in New Orleans, having left my friends down there, and I was crossing what they call the Piney Woods of East Texas, which cover an area the size of Belgium, as all big woods invariably do. I was driving along this long road in the middle of the night, and the moon was at the far end, so it was like driving along a silver ribbon, if you want to be poetic about it, and the hills were rising and falling, and there was a small town before me, and on the radio came a record by Elmore James called 'Stranger Blues'. The first two lines were, 'I'm a stranger here/I just drove in your town.' I just thought it was a perfect conjuncture of time, place and music. You always hope in the course of doing a programme that somebody somewhere may experience a moment like that.' Heroin in his hair: 'I used to run a record label, catastrophically unsuccessful, called Dandelion, named after a hamster - that's how things were in the late Sixties. We put out about 30 LPs using other people's money. There were one or two I quite like to listen to, and one or two atrocities. Stackwaddy were fantastic. They had an album called Bugger Off , which Annie Nightingale used to play a lot. They were punks before there were punks - these very primitive lads from Manchester who played a rather violent and inaccurate r'n'b. Once we got a person over from the States to see a whole load of Dandelion bands at a college in London. We made the mistake of putting Stackwaddy on first. The singer was a deserter from the army, and wore this improbable wig all the time. They turned the treble up on all their equipment, so it was like listening to a kind of buzzsaw. The singer was very drunk, and the first thing he did at the start of the gig was just walk to the edge of the stage and piss on the students. When Radio 1 started, it was generally regarded as rather unhealthy for presenters to show any interest in music, as it was believed this would lay us open to unscrupulous promotions people offering fast cars and women. Of course these things never happened, but you did have to keep your interest in music very much to yourself. In earlier days there were times when senior management at Radio 1 seemed to be rather surprised that I walked upright and used knives and forks. I never saw my programmes as all that radical - more an alternative to what was on at other times of the day. But at one time I was regarded within the corridors of the BBC as being the Baader-Meinhof Gang of British broadcasting, and treated with a certain amount of terror. It used to be that we had a controller, name of Muggeridge, who was joint controller of Radio 1 and 2, quite a good idea. When the BBC was looking for a man to do this job, they quite naturally chose someone who until that time had been head of the Chinese section of the BBC World Service. Once he had got the job he interviewed various DJs one after another, and I was last in. I think he thought I would do something unpredictable and startling, like rub heroin into the roots of his hair. He was sitting at his enormous desk, a sort of Dr Strangelove position. At some point in the conversation I mentioned public schools, and he brightened up a little at this idea, as if at some stage in my life I had actually met somebody who had been to a public school. I said, 'Actually, I went to one myself.' He went, 'Extraordinary! Which one?' He was assuming it was some minor public school somewhere on the south coast. I said, 'Shrewsbury.' He said, 'Good heavens!' At this stage he was getting quite elated. 'Which house were you in?' I told him and he said, 'How's old Brookie?' It was clear that he thought, whatever he looks like, and whatever sort of unspeakable music he plays on the radio, he is still one of us. I think for a long time it was this factor that sustained me at the BBC.' The bloody awful rubbish: 'At Radio 1 I try to keep myself to myself. I've always thought that avoiding office politics was a rather shrewd thing to do. I feel a bit like a person who lives in a cottage while a new estate is being built around him - so long as I can tend to my bees, I'm perfectly happy. I don't socialise that much with people here. I occasionally go to the pub or the wine bar with some of the women, because obviously they don't see me as a threat. I'm not likely to try to get off with them. I do still see the Radio 1 thing as being what I do. Radio 4 is still seen as being the senior service, so when a couple of impeccably middle-class women call up and ask me to do a programme I'm always hugely flattered. You go off to very low-key places like Coventry to interview a family who have 19 children, and you think, 'Oh no', but then you meet them and you come away quite heartened by it all. Sometimes, if you're a regular reader of the newspapers and watch TV news programmes, you can whip yourself up into a froth of despair. So going out and finding that not everybody wants to kill you is kind of reassuring. In 30 years there has genuinely never been an attempt by management to exert any control over my programmes, not beyond the occasional comment like, 'Ah, John, you still playing that bloody awful rubbish?' Someone from management did come down when I was playing a lot of hip hop, and then later when I was playing jungle, to inform me that I shouldn't be playing this music, because it was the music of the black criminal classes. I think I was a handy safety valve for some time. If someone called up to complain about the safe and predictable nature of the station's playlist, someone could always tell them, 'You can always listen to John Peel. He plays strange discs.' Tony Blackburn goes Barry Manilow: 'As a Radio 1 DJ, you were expected to do ludicrous things. We had these Radio 1 Fun Weeks, which usually consisted of travelling the country with a bunch of other DJs, and Noel Edmonds filling people's hotel rooms with chickens. In more enlightened days than ours you'd be burnt at the stake for doing that. People like Mike Read and DLT would often complain that they couldn't go anywhere without being recognised, but of course would go everywhere in a tartan suit carrying a guitar, so they would have attracted attention in a lunatic asylum. But these things did have compensations. Perhaps the best moment for me took place in a multistorey hotel in Birmingham, in something called the Dickens Bar, lots of dark-wood booths full of people who no doubt travelled around the country selling Dickens Bars to other hotels. Tony Blackburn got up with Paul Williams, a Radio 1 producer who used to play the piano tolerably well, and sang for about half an hour. There was massive indifference to his efforts, if not downright hostility, yet he went through the whole thing as if he was Barry Manilow at the Copacabana, as if everyone was absolutely adoring everything he did. He soared in my estimation after that. I thought, 'He's not such a tosser after all.' A particularly viscous tackle: 'Occasionally, I'd be invited to these rather serious BBC events at TV Centre. I used to dread these things, but you had to go. Quite often I was the only person from Radio 1 who was invited, probably because I had been to public school. Once I found myself sitting across the table from the Two Ronnies and thinking, 'What do I say to these bastards?' On another occasion, I had just recorded Desert Island Discs , so I went along with Sue Lawley. When we sat down I was at a table which included Nicholas Witchell, PD James and Jonathan Powell. I turned to the bloke sitting next to me and said, 'Hello, I'm John Peel.' And he said, 'I'm John Birt, and actually we were introduced five minutes ago outside.' You don't really recover from that. After about an hour of non-conversation, I said to him something about football, and he said, 'Didn't you break your wrist playing five-a-side in Holborn about 10 years ago?' I said, 'How did you know that?' He said, 'I was the bloke that tackled you.' People say I 'discovered' or 'made' certain bands, but I never really think of it like that. I don't have a series of notches on my bedpost. They discovered themselves really, or some record company or manager did, and what I did was what I'm paid to do - play their records on the radio. I didn't discover The Undertones or Joy Division - they made magnificent records and I played them because I loved them. The fact that most other people were not playing them is the thing, but you'd have to ask them why that was. I think I helped listeners discover the bands, and if one more person has the chance to see Misty In Roots because they heard them on one of my shows, then I'm happy about that. I don't tend to mix with bands. I'm too shy or respectful, and I don't think I would know what to say. I don't know very much about their history. Also, there's that thing about not wanting to lower my admiration of them, which I might do if I met them, and I feel they'd certainly have a lower impression of me.' How to make the perfect radio show: 'A lot of people working [at Radio 1], young people, come up to me and make rather un-British little speeches about how they grew up listening to my programme, which is lovely to hear, and then you can think to yourself, 'Well, perhaps you wouldn't even be working here if it wasn't for me,' and I quite like the thought of that. But even the younger ones stopped listening to the programme at some stage. It seems that people listen to the programme for a while and then stop, and often listen to the programme later on in their lives. I get letters from people who say, 'I hadn't listened to your programme for 12 years, and I was driving home the other night and heard something I thought was fantastic. I've listened every night since, and it was just how it used to be.' Sometimes kids write in and say, 'I was listening to your programme in my bedroom the other night when I was doing my homework, and my mum came in and said, "What are you listening to?" I said, "John Peel," and she said, "Oh, I used to listen to him when I was your age."' It's nice being woven into people's lives in that way. I always compare a good programme to surfing, not that I ever surf. When a programme goes well, you do feel you're riding along on the crest of something. You go out of the studio at the end and say, 'Wow, what a great programme!' and they say, 'Oh, it sounded like all the others to me.' But some nights you can come away feeling so desperate because you've made so many mistakes, and you go out and say, 'That was just a disaster.' And people say, 'Oh, it sounded just like all the others to me.' I listen to bands' demo tapes almost exclusively in the car in the two-hour drive home. The ones I don't like get thrown on the floor in the passenger's area and by the end of the week they swill about. The ones I do like get thrown over my shoulder into the back seat, and then harvested at the end of the week. I know that I'm going to die trying to read the name of some band in the headlights of a car behind me, and then drive into a truck in front. People will say, 'Oh, this is the way he would have wanted to go.' From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 03:56:35 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:56:35 -0000 Subject: Peel On Pop Message-ID: <05c401c4bef5$3c0df870$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> 'The music was dogmatic and humourless' John Peel was the Observer's pop critic in the late 80s. Here are some of his finest moments Sunday October 31, 2004 The Observer Wham's final concert at Wembley Stadium, published on 13 July 1986 'They never wearied of the flirtations and the running about, and when Elton John appeared in an asinine clown's outfit - does he do these things to mask some insecurity? - they correctly perceived that this was an honour for him, rather than Wham!' The Pretenders, 24 May 1987 'The music was dogmatic and humourless and the consumers, still standing but almost motionless, amused themselves by punching balloons about in a thoughtful manner, while otherwise behaving as though attending a lecture on the inland waterways of Belgium.' Madonna, 23 August 1987 ' "Two-dimensional," suggested the Guardian' s man at the Madonna concert at Wembley. 'As good as that?' I muttered to my wife. At 8.18 Madonna appeared, wearing the fortified liberty bodice that has thrilled millions worldwide. 'Thank you and hello, London,' she improvised. 'England,' she added helpfully. 'Are you going to make this a night to remember for me?' she asked. With four children at my side and a £64 hole in my bank balance, I murmured something to the effect that we were paying her to make this a night to remember for us. As Madonna, playing Sleeping Beauty, feigned sleep on stage, torpor was stealing over the audience.' Bob Dylan, 18 October 1987 'Being an enigma at 20 is fun, being an enigma at 30 shows a lack of imagination, and being an enigma at Dylan's age is just plain daft_ From the moment the living legend took to the stage, it was evident that here was business he wanted accomplished with the minimum of effort.' Echo & the Bunnymen, 10 January 1988 Ian McCulloch of Echo & the Bunnymen would, I think, have come unplaced in an Ian McCulloch look-alike competition at the NEC Arena last Thursday. As a man who strove to look like Duane Eddy until I realised that only remedial surgery would make me resemble the man with the twanging guitar, I am not about to scoff at anyone who yearns to look like his or her hero or heroine, but the Ian McCullochs were pretty thick on the ground. You will not, unless you search a well-stocked broom cupboard, spot many Will Sergeant look-alikes, but guitarist Will was, reluctant though I am to single out individuals after a first-class team performance, my Man of the Match. Shirley Bassey, 29 May 1988 Having assured us of her intention to take us on a trip to Memory Lane, Shirley expressed the wish that our favourite song would be among those she performed, stirring in my breast the lunatic hope that she would tackle 'Teenage Kicks'. Emotions here are painted in primary colours, five-litre cans of reds and blues flung heartily at the canvas. Nothing, but nothing, is understated. With arms outstretched and other movement limited to throwing back the head or a self-deprecating wiggle of the hips, the Welsh thrush radiates a preposterous intimacy, scampering through a routine with which everyone seems totally familiar and at ease. To have attempted anything other than surrender would have been churlish. Dire Straits, 12 June 1988 Sometimes the music became so lush that I felt as though I was being force-fed Swiss roll. Who could blame Knopfler if he wants to escape from this and from the uncritical audience the band has won for itself? 'Nice to be back with you,' he said to it, having delivered up a song which I rather cared for, which dealt, in part, with microwave ovens. This concert, he went on, was to get 'the band in gear' for the Mandela-up at Wembley. What did he really think, I wondered, about an event which, hijacked by the marketing thugs, could not conceivably win Nelson Mandela a single day of freedom or hasten the end of apartheid or threaten British interests in South Africa? Wet, Wet, Wet, 26 June 1988 The toilets at the reknitted Alexandra Palace have been much improved since I was last there, which, if memory serves, was for the 24-Hour Technicolour Dream in 1967, when I was more worried about missing Pink Floyd (I did) and seeing Brian Jones apparently just walking about (I didn't). The new urinals are far enough apart for eccentricities of technique to go unmarked by one's fellow performers, a consideration that almost made up for the 22-minute uphill trudge from the nearest parking space, in the company of some of the extrovert members of the 18-30 holiday scene, noisy lads reeking of lager, giggling lasses awash with parfum. From npu65@... Sun Oct 31 04:41:42 2004 From: npu65@... (Nigel U) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:41:42 -0000 Subject: Last newspaper trawl - Frlday's Independent Message-ID: <060e01c4befb$89fd63d0$a3832652@yourcmnwt84cv8> Memories of a free spirit John Peel was a broadcasting legend. But his colleague Trevor Dann remembers him as a friend, a family man and a lifelong Liverpool supporter 29 October 2004 It was like meeting the Pope, or at least the Maharishi. There we were, my friend Alan and I, two 15-year-olds queuing up to greet the great man, our hero, our mentor, our spiritual guide. As fervent listeners to the pirate Radio London, we'd learnt everything from John Peel. We recorded The Beatles' Sergeant Pepper album when he played it all the way through without speaking. We'd gazed at the stars when he told us to, and thought good thoughts so we could change the world. He'd introduced us to Captain Beefheart, Jefferson Airplane and The Doors. And yet here was the apotheosis of counterculture opening a summer garden-party at a girls' school in rural Derbyshire. He was in late Sixties uniform - the tie-dye T-shirt, cotton loons and plimsolls - while the school governors and the parents buzzed around in their suits and twinsets, clucking disapprovingly. Years later, he blinked in that beguiling way he had and told me why he'd gone there. "Well, Trevor, when you're on board a ship with nothing but blokes for company, an invitation to visit a girls' school is, er, quite irresistible." He signed my copy of the programme for the fête that day - "Love & peace, John Peel". I treasured it, and still do. But he was dismissive when I took it into Radio 1 a decade or so later. By then, I was a new radio producer and he was the venerable BBC institution who'd renounced hippiedom and embraced the energy and attitude of punk. "I used to talk a lot of bollocks in those days," he said. John and I didn't get off to the best start at Radio 1. In my first week, I went up to the Broadcasting House continuity suite where he presented his late-night show and asked if I could watch. I didn't know that he hated what he called "broadcasting in a zoo". To make amends I got him a coffee and placed it on the desk as he leant to one side to cue up a record. As he straightened up his elbow knocked the coffee all over the faders, necessitating a rapid switch to the next studio. Minutes later, his wife arrived. Cue another howler. "You must be Shirley," I ventured. They both laughed. I felt very uncomfortable. "No, this is Sheila," Peel said. But why had my simple mistake had such an effect? Some days later, he explained that Shirley was the name of his first wife, an American woman who Peel always claimed had beaten him up and then pursued him to Britain, where he was taking refuge with Sheila. One of the few consolations of the tragic news from Peru this week was that Sheila was there with him. He was devoted to the Pig, as he always called her, and he wore a silver ring with a pig on it. In fact, I think John defined himself more as parent and husband than a broadcaster. In spite of his acid tongue, he was a sentimental man who'd blub at the drop of a hat, especially at family successes. It was one of the many contradictions in Peel's life that the man who sought out angry, urban music in some of the seedier inner-city clubs lived an idyllic rural life in an isolated Suffolk cottage. From the splendidly named Nan Trues Hole - truly John's bolt hole - no other building is visible. In recent years, the BBC allowed him to broadcast his show via an ISDN line from home. He began to sound like the religious leader he was to so many of us, letting fall his pearls of wisdom from a musical Eden. In 1983, I produced "the Peel show", as it was always called, for a few months before leaving for television. I made one change. John Walters and Chris Lycett, my predecessors, had allowed Peel to choose all his own music, but they had retained the right to assemble the tracks into a running order. In some cases, this amounted to no more than finding two songs with the same word in the title and putting them together so John could do a DJ-style link. Which, of course, he never did. So I suggested that he should do the running order in future. He looked at me with the grateful eyes of a kid meeting Santa and thanked me as effusively as if I'd given him a new toy. I loved the opening to his show in those days. In would come the low dum-da-dum of Grinderswitch's "Picking the Blues", and after the slide guitar figure we'd be treated to the usual litany of awkward and unpronounceable band names. Regular listeners may have noticed that, for pure devilment, John would sometimes trail a band who didn't exist - "... and the Flying Creamshots in session". He'd seen the phrase in a Dutch porno mag. He loved Holland, and regularly hosted the Pink Pop Festival. He claimed that the Dutch liked him because his name translates as John Prick. Like many of John's anecdotes it may not have been strictly true, but somehow details like that never mattered. It was just a joy to listen to his fund of stories. Life had a knack of happening to John. He always cast himself as the unworldly ingénue at large in a cruel and unforgiving world. Also in 1983, Radio 1 was staging a week's programming from Liverpool and someone suggested that Peel and I should make an introductory show about his home city. Persuading him to depart from the safety of the studio was a nightmare, but once he'd agreed (with the condition that his daughter and her teenage Goth friend could accompany us), he created a magical programme. >From the passenger seat of our hired car, he guided the two girls and me around the streets of Liverpool, pointing out the key landmarks of his early life. "That's where I saw my first gig. Eddie Cochran wasn't it, oh no, it was the Obernkirchen Children's Choir singing 'Val deri, val dera'!" And: "There's the Royal Insurance where brother Frank works." And: "That's the train that takes the rich people to Heswall." And thence to Anfield, home of his beloved Liverpool FC. He took me on the Kop - all standing and swaying in those days - and I recorded his thoughts and reactions to an FA Cup tie against unfancied Brighton. Liverpool famously lost that day, so I got nothing at all out of John except a few grunts, and nothing from the Kop characters apart from a wet trouser-leg thanks to the inebriated Scouser behind me who couldn't be bothered to fight his way to the gents. The following morning we met Kenny Dalglish, Peel's absolute hero, for a pre-arranged interview. Dalglish gave the usual pat footballer's answers to some questions about the game, and Peel was still so depressed about the match that he couldn't bring himself to conduct a proper interview. In the end I had to ask the questions, and we dubbed in some commentary later. That Merseyside expedition was also notable for the teenage scally John had found to talk to us about being young in Liverpool in the Eighties. We met on an estate in a pub that I thought was called The Chester, but turned out be The Jester. And we listened to tales of burglary, football violence and routine drug-use from a thoroughly engaging lad I thought no more of until I saw The Farm singing "All Together Now" on Top of the Pops. It was Peter Hooton, their lead singer. Once again, Peel the talent-spotter had been ahead of his time. He liked to use a football metaphor when talking about his appetite for new music. Of course he was proud of Liverpool FC's championships and European Cups, but "I'm much more interested in what happens on Saturday". He found something life-affirming in the quest for novelty and the refusal to look back. When I was producing his Radio 1 show, I asked him to play the occasional old record to help to introduce his young audience to some of the acts he had championed in the past. I argued that Smiths fans might be interested in Van Morrison or Tim Buckley if they were introduced to them by John Peel. But he would have none of it. The two hours of airtime he had every day were too precious to devote to anything other than the latest sounds from the streets, pubs and bedrooms, and from teenage Britain. In the Eighties, I was asked to write a profile of John for a newspaper. He was a reluctant interviewee, but I managed to cobble together what I thought was a reasonable piece. When it appeared, though, he was cross with me for drawing attention to his love of driving. He didn't think it was a big part of his life, even though he spent hours at the wheel and refused to fly until only a few years ago. I'd spent hours debating with him the fastest way to London from Suffolk. I was an advocate of the A10; he preferred the A505 right round Royston to the A1. For weeks, he would keep me informed of various time trials he'd done using different routes, all proving that he was right in the first place. How silly that we should waste so much time on something so trivial, but that was John; once the bee was in the bonnet, it just kept buzzing. The Peel/Walters office at Egton House, the old home of Radio 1, was a shambles, hung with Christmas cards from decades earlier and packed to the ceiling with tapes and vinyl. Walters was the untidiest man in the BBC, and would never have survived in the era of open-plan offices. Peel and their faithful secretary Sue (known as Brian, in a spiffing chaps' wheeze kind of way) kept on at him, but nothing changed. So John had to sit on his record case or the floor because there was no room for a chair. This became even more ludicrous when John had one of his famous early evening naps. The door would closegently, and the greatest living DJ would snore through two hours, wrapped around a desk leg, a bin and a pile of NMEs. When I arrived back at Radio 1 in 1995 as the head of production, with a brief to overhaul the music policy and the on-air sound of the station, Peel was as comfortable as I'd ever seen him with the BBC management. The pop'n'prattlers were on their way out, and the new controller, Matthew Bannister, had endeared himself to Peel by making all sorts of public statements about his support for new music. I remember Peel and Andy Kershaw talking about Bannister on the radio and saying: "Well, we're safe - one day Radio 1 will sound like our shows all day long." But John's unease with management resurfaced when the axe started to fall on people he liked. He got quite angry with me about the departure of one producer he was particularly fond of, and he took on the mantle of a stubborn trade-union leader arguing, in effect, that all change at Radio 1 was a bad thing. Underneath that friendly grumpy-old-man exterior lurked a genuine grumpy old man. When asked about his favourite record in the 1970s, he used to talk about Link Wray's dirty and foreboding guitar solo "Rumble" and T Rex's "Ride a White Swan". He delighted in the story that when Marc Bolan made No 1 for the first time, Peel had been driving in his car and had to pull over on to the hard shoulder as his eyes filled with tears. But for many years his choice of best record ever was "Teenage Kicks" by The Undertones, I think because it reminded him of what music is there for. Once he'd kicked the somnambulism of the acid and dope years and rediscovered beer (he always credited The Faces for re-energising him in the early Seventies), he espoused music that celebrated youth and vigour. John Peel won hundreds of awards. But he was a genuinely reluctant celebrity; he hated what fame did to people and he had no truck with the insincerity of showbiz hangers-on. In fact, I've no doubt that if he knew that I, or indeed anyone outside a close circle of family and friends, was writing about him, he'd be coming after me with a meat cleaver. I can hear him saying so. I was in Berlin when I heard the shocking news of John's death. Even the teletext in my hotel room put the news on their front page, which gives some indication of his worldwide reputation. Since Tuesday morning when the news broke (although it had been embargoed until 2pm), I've received dozens of texts and e-mails from friends who've been touched by the great man. One came from an old friend I haven't seen in more than 20 years. "You told me so many funny, warm stories about John," she wrote, "that I felt I knew him a bit, too, and I was thrilled when he gave me a big smile and a good morning in Diss last April." John had that effect on people. He made you feel better. He became a broadcasting icon because he had no artifice, no style, no shtick. What you got the across the table at an Indian restaurant was what you got on the radio: passion, honesty and an understated facility for language. Younger broadcasters described as the new John Peel have come and gone for 40 years, but the original was always the best. Trevor Dann was a producer, and later head of production, at Radio 1 From mozy@... Sun Oct 31 09:27:52 2004 From: mozy@... (Maureen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:27:52 -0000 Subject: Emailing: completeOrder.htm Message-ID: <000501c4bf23$847ad6e0$aba0193e@User> Dialog - Document Display Switch SubaccountNot SpecifiedCancel  My Dialog Manage Alerts Help Sign Off Subaccount: Not Specified NewsEdge Live News NewsRoom Profound Intelliscope Company Profiles Back to Title List Create Alert Save Search British DJ was new music champion National Post, National, p AL11 10-28-2004 John Peel, the disc jockey who died on Monday aged 65, promoted the more esoteric and extreme fringes of contemporary popular music for more than 30 years, becoming a national institution in the process. Peel did not conform to the cliches of the rock 'n' roll fast life: balding, paunchy, badly dressed, he had more the air of an anoraked trainspotter. That was his attraction for generations of listeners, for by eschewing the foibles of pop, and by resolutely championing music that few other DJs would touch, he engendered trust among his angst-ridden and suspicious teenage listeners, retaining their loyalty as they grew up. Always insisting that he had never sought the fame that attached itself to him, he lived in Suffolk, at "Peel Acres," with his wife and children, avoiding any of the glitter normally associated with the music business. Obituary of John Peel. The appeal of his late-night show on the BBC's Radio One station lay partly in his lack of hyperbole, in his ability to surprise the listener, and that he clearly cared genuinely about music. In the late 1960s he played Captain Beefheart, T-Rex, and the Velvet Underground; he was an advocate for punk, reggae, hip hop, noise, thrash and hardcore. He always admired innovation. He could claim to have broken the Smiths, Pulp, the Fall and the Undertones -- the last of whom, in 1978, were signed by Sire Records the day after Peel played their home-produced EP on his show. Peel said that, as a general principle, he would always be more interested in a record that he had never heard before than in one he had. Ninety per cent of the records he played had never been played on radio before. One of two sons of a cotton merchant, John Peel was born John Robert Parker Ravenscroft at Heswall, near Liverpool, on August 31, 1939, and was brought up on the Wirral. A solitary child, he had little contact with his parents. After prep school, he went to Shrewsbury. Peel was a shy boy who tended toward obstinate non-conformity, for that he paid in regular thrashings; the school authorities, he recalled, "practically had to wake (me) up during the night in order to administer the required number of sound beatings." After school he worked briefly in Liverpool in the family business, then at a Rochdale cotton mill. From 1957 to 1959 he did his National Service as a radar operator in the Royal Artillery. He recalled: "The Army said afterward, 'At no time has he shown any sign of adapting to the military way of life.' I took it as a compliment." In 1960 Peel left for the United States, landing in Dallas, Tex., where he worked for three years in crop insurance. He was present, as a self-appointed stringer for the Liverpool Echo, at the press conference for Lee Harvey Oswald, when the alleged assassin of president Kennedy was shot and killed by Jack Ruby. Then, after a telephone conversation with Russ Knight, a disc jockey known as "the Weird Beard," Peel managed to secure employment as a DJ on the station WRR. He soon discovered that in the U.S., with the onslaught of Beatlemania, a vague approximation of a Liverpool accent accorded the speaker a certain cachet -- especially among younger female pop fans, who regarded the nasal pronunciation and short vowel sounds as powerfully exotic. Adopting a Scouse twang, Peel offered himself on WRR as an expert on all things Beatles-related -- more than once he interviewed George Harrison, as played by himself -- and almost overnight found himself a celebrity. "I was suddenly confronted by this succession of teenage girls who didn't want to know anything about me at all. All they wanted me to do was to abuse them, sexually, which of course I was only too happy to do." In 1967, he returned to London. The mere fact that Peel had been in the U.S. soon procured him a job with Pirate Radio London, anchored in the North Sea just off Felixstowe. Six months later, when the station was closed down, he was recruited by the BBC for the new Radio One. His Perfumed Garden evening program, which featured such performers as the 12-piece Principal Edward's Magical Theatre, the Third Ear Band and stories about mice, soon attracted a cult following. Peel's show had more than a whiff of joss-sticks about it. It also showed the influence of Marc Bolan, a close friend of Peel before the musician enjoyed mainstream success. Despite the hallucinogenic overtones, Peel himself refrained from indulging ("I never even saw him smoke a joint," recalled Germaine Greer), and his affinity with hippie culture stemmed mostly from a strong idealistic streak in his character; he was well known as an easy touch for aspiring bands looking to fund the purchase of an amplifier, instruments or even a van. From the start, Peel's approach as a DJ -- to play music he saw as innovative and of high quality, irrespective of its commercial potential -- struck a chord with listeners. He was repeatedly voted DJ of the year by readers of Melody Maker and New Musical Express. And somehow, over more than three decades, he managed to remain on the cusp of what was new without ever appearing merely modish. Almost alone among BBC DJs, Peel was given free rein by his employers to play whatever he wanted. In his later years at Radio One, Peel forged an increasingly formidable partnership with the producer John Walters, who defended Peel's broadcasts against powerful but less articulate superiors at the station, many of whom were out of sympathy with the broadcaster throughout his period with the BBC. Peel described his relationship with Walters (who died in 2001) as being that of "the organ-grinder and the monkey. With each one believing the other to be the monkey." In 1998, Peel found unexpected success on Radio 4 with Home Truths, a domestically-oriented show based around interviews with perfectly "normal" families. Even Peel's friend and protege Andy Kershaw, the Radio One DJ, admitted the show was "cloying, sentimental and indulgent;" but it drew more than 1.5 million listeners, no small feat at 9 a.m. on a Saturday morning. In 1999 the BBC marked his 60th birthday by scheduling a "John Peel Night" in his honour. He had appeared on Desert Island Discs 10 years previously and was appointed OBE in 1998. In 2003 he was offered (ps)1.5-million to write his autobiography. John Peel's first marriage was to a 15-year-old Texan girl who had lied about her age; the marriage was dissolved soon after they returned to Britain. He married secondly, in 1974, Sheila Mary Gilhooly; they had two sons and two daughters. He became a grandparent for the first time last year and announced that he enjoyed "vigorously grandparenting." Peel somehow managed to appear both enduringly adolescent and old before his time. Relentlessly professional, his trademark was a slightly weary but amused, deadpan style of presentation; he had a dry, self-effacing wit and the ability to broadcast as if he were speaking to just one person. Clearly not on the payroll of any record company, his recommendations carried weight. Time and again, music that seemed marginal when Peel first enthused about it came to be accepted as being at the heart of the history of pop. Peel's all-time favourite record, he liked to say, was the Undertones's Teenage Kicks. He expected to be sacked every week, and always regarded his future employment prospects with paranoia. On one occasion, according to lore, he was ordered to take a holiday; instead of doing so, he chose to turn up at the radio station every night to stare out his stand-in. He was six before he met his father, who spent the war in North Africa, for the first time; his mother, Peel later recalled, "was frightened of me from the moment I was born", explaining that "she told me that she was never sure what I was for". Peel estimated the flagellation rate in his first term at "once every three days... when I was 13 I was rather lovely, and much sought-after by older boys who, if they developed an appetite for you, could have you beaten on a number of pretexts. Several of them have gone on to achieve positions of some eminence in the financial world. I'm sometimes tempted to turn up with a little rouge on my cheeks and say, 'I'm ready for you now, my angel,' to some ageing captain of industry." His one regret was that he could not sing, although he admitted that this did not stop half of the people he featured on his radio show from making records. "I'd like to be able to sing. Making a noise like a dolphin is a very poor substitute." During the 1990s Peel's voice was also frequently to be heard narrating television documentaries on such quintessentially British subjects as the Lancaster bomber, or on The Sound of the Suburbs, a series in which Peel travelled round Britain examining pockets of the country and the music that comes out of them. Black & White Photo: Sean Cook, Getty Images / British rock's best friend. Copyright National Post 2004 Journal code NPT Language English Record Type Newspaper Document type ISSN Word count 1760 Accession Number (Internal - Global)09699606 - NPT04226120 SmartTerm Links Industry Company Location Subject Search Text New Search Back to Title List Create Alert Save Search © 2004 Dialog, a Thomson business. All rights reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists@... Sun Oct 31 12:59:40 2004 From: lists@... (Gary) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:59:40 -0000 Subject: Peel Archive Message-ID: A few thoughts on creating a Peel archive (without any money) Aim. I personal would like to see an archive to be a permanently available legacy to John's work. There are an awful lot of people with tapes of either session's or complete programs therefore the archive must have the ability for these people to contribute to it, making it more than the collection of one individual, and thus the capacity for growth. The obvious answer would be an FTP server with upload capability. Unfortunately this idea suffers from two major problems. 1) If the server dies or is offline then the complete archive goes with it. 2) Storage and bandwidth. The reason I had the kill the Cats Caravan Festive Fifty Archive site was due to the sheer volume of traffic the site experienced. The site regularly went over the 45 GB per month traffic limit, thus taking the site offline. At that time my archive took around 70 GB of storage. As you can imagine the cost of lets say 100 GB of server space at that level of traffic does not come cheap. (One quote was for £750 a month). I tried setting up an FTP sever on my ADSL connection as a last attempt but this just max'ed the upload constantly, thus making the possibility of obtaining any complete file remote. There seems to be a few people at the moment wanting to go down the newsgroup route. The newsgroups are probably the fastest way of obtaining files (once you've sussed out how to up and download). My main objection to this route is simply one of permanence. The best news servers have retention figures of only 90 or so days. I personal do not want any archive created to be a `get it now, or it's gone' solution. If I were to upload my entire archive to the best news server, I would probably just about get to the end when the first posts were starting to be deleted. This would result in a few people with complete archives but nothing left for any newcomers, (unless the files were constantly reposted, again and again – something only conceivable if you have a very fat pipe with no bandwidth restrictions and don't use that connection for much else. That only leaves, as far as I can see the P2P file sharing networks. When I off-lined the FF archive site I moved the complete archive over to the edoneky network because that's the file sharing software I was using at the time. Any multi node P2P network will do. There does seem to be a lot of Peel related session material on that network, but I suppose it's the same for other networks. I do know that files I released on that network 3 years ago are still available for download even though I stopped sharing them personal a long time ago. This therefore meets some of the aims. Apologies for the long post but this is important. Please post thoughts. Gary. From stuart@... Sun Oct 31 11:52:37 2004 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:52:37 +0000 Subject: a modest proposal [long] : in memoriam: alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.peel In-Reply-To: <1099217848.624.34854.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1099217848.624.34854.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >BTW it'a not actually that hard to get a group going in the defacto sense. >You can bypass alot of the redtape by just requesting it on the main feeder >servers like Supernews and Giganews. that's interesting - this email group was set up, 3 or 4 years ago, because the usenet moderators refused to allow the creation of a Peel newsgroup (deeming the subject matter too similar to the existing alt. music groups). I see a few people have posted some fairly weighty Peel anecdotes and memories, so I'll probably dig out the interview I did with him in 94, plus the transcript of Desert Island Discs and put them on here - perhaps in instalments (these are on the web already but it'd not seem right to drive traffic to my site using them). There was a fair old barrage of stories and recollections on the rockingvicar newsletter; I might see if there's a way of sharing these with the people who aren't subscribers. Stuart -- From stuart@... Sun Oct 31 13:20:29 2004 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:20:29 +0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 829 In-Reply-To: <1099058597.698.83160.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1099058597.698.83160.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >It would be nice to see someone be bothered to get over the contractual >difficulties involved and release some of Peels shows as records - a >Peelenium Box Set, Some Festive Fifties (the All Time FF maybe), His >'Records that Santa Claus Forgot' show, Janice and John in Japan, his >Birthday specials, the list of 'specials' and showcase programs and a decent >archieve, inevitably online, of as many of his shows as possible. I'm wondering who owns the rights to 'Peel Out in the USA' which was as the name suggests shows recorded for US consumption, and syndicated to college radio and the like in the 80s. I think it might have been sponsored by Doc Marten. There's actually a set on eBay, sensibly priced, though doubtless it will rise in value like the wares from the sad individuals who are offering 'rare JP autographs' and the like. (I have several 'autographs though they\'re really just his name at the end of notes on F50s and the like... I'd have liked to have even seen the legendary 'Most Boring Man' rubber stamp! I also often wonder what happened to the tapes in the notorious Peel tape chain and if any actually made it all the way across the US! Stuart -- From morriso@... Sun Oct 31 13:32:35 2004 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:32:35 -0000 Subject: Big 78s Message-ID: <001201c4bf45$b3ec1a20$9e439b51@Andrew> Just been wondering if anything will come of that supposed German record label's intention to release a compilation of 'Pigs Big 78s' now? Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... Website: http://www.AndrewMorrison.co.uk From djhc2@... Sun Oct 31 14:42:07 2004 From: djhc2@... (djhc2@...) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:42:07 +0000 Subject: A Proposal to Peel list members Message-ID: (... and I bet everyone else on the list is as gutted as me about the death announced this weekend of Princess Alice, aged 102...) It's been a pretty dreadful week but along with the tributes pages on the BBC websites and various newspaper sites, the postings here have helped me to feel the importance of community. For those of us for whom Peel was important, he was *really* important. I've sent off my own tributes and cards but have only just about felt able to come here and join in myself. I've only been an occasional contributor here though several will know me off-list where we exchanged news, sessions and quite a lot of CDs. The proposal to share what Peel files we have is a good one, though it doesn't offer us a good source of sharing what is new. I have read some of the postings here about what should be done, often by Radio 1, to continue what John Peel was doing now that he is dead. I have drafted a proposal to members of the list which may interest you, which is admittedly quite long (1600 words, or thereabouts), and I am therefore hesitant simply to post it to the list in full and clog up everyone's inbox. In short, I am suggesting that members of this list collaborate on an internet broadcast of our shared tastes and record collections, as often as we can. The full version of this proposal has been dropped on to a web page, and I invite anyone with the patience to read through it to visit here: http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~djhc2/peellist.htm No tricks or gimmicks. Just a straightforward page of suggestions. I hope some of you will think about it and share your thoughts - on or off list. D Clifford From cynicaldj@... Sun Oct 31 20:58:10 2004 From: cynicaldj@... (cynicaldj) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:58:10 -0000 Subject: Peel F.M.?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As promised "D. Clifford", there you go! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "cynicaldj" wrote: > > Hello Group, > > May I take this opportunity to thank the Moderator for accepting my > Application for Membership to this Group. > > My name is Nathan, I am from Kent, in the United Kingdom and for > about 15 years I have been a dedicated listener of The John Peel > Shows on B.B.C Radio One. > > On Tuesday, 26th October 2004, when it was announced that John had > suffered a heart attack and was no longer with us. I, along with > several thousands, if not millions of others, have been grieving ever > since. > > His warmth, personality, and humour will be sadly missed. One aspect > of his Programmes that should be retained is, as he would argue > himself was the most important factor, the MUSIC. > > It's too early to say whether Radio One will want to (or be able to) > keep a Programme "on-the-air" that kept the diverse Music available > that he played, but I would like to make some form of contribution, > and the best - and cheapest - way of doing this is via an Internet > Radio Station. > > This is not merely blowing hot air; I am a Professional Computer > Technician AND Hospital Radio Manager and Presenter for about as long > as I've been listening to John. I have also Presented for an R.S.L. > > So, is anyone interested in discussing this further, let me know? > > Rock In Peace - John Peel. > > P.S. I have set up my own Yahoo! Group for this purpose at: > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/peelfm though this is intended to > compliment this Group, not compete with it.