From dcavassa@... Mon Jan 5 13:57:01 2004 From: dcavassa@... (david cavassa) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:57:01 0000 Subject: [peel] Peel shows as audio files Message-ID: Hi, I have been away for xmas from Wed 17 December and would be interested in any Peel shows broadcast meanwhile (any WWGP show you may have caught will be welcomed to...). I seem to be doing the same as Leo as I eventually extract from the whole show all live act and mixes which I archive. So if you're looking for something, just ask. Happy New Year to you all David (dcavassa@...) -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:07:00 From: Leo Gilbert To: peel@yahoogroups.com Cc: For future reference, I generally record each Peel show throughout the year as an audio file direct onto my computer, then keep it for a few days until I've had a chance to listen to it. If there are any shows you are desperate to have in the future as audio files, let me know within a few days of its being broadcast and I might have it. Leo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From dianef84@... Mon Jan 5 16:54:28 2004 From: dianef84@... (diane farley) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:54:28 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: Well, it's me... and on the whole I think the Festive 50 was definitely a good one this year but think I might have been proved right about the Immortal Lee County Killers because NOT ONE of their songs made it which is a shame because their live set earlier in the year was definitely one of my Peel highlights and probably over the year with the albums and sessions the vote across songs was probably too spread out to get any one in the fifty. And though I was accused of geremandering?? it's a shame that there couldn't have been a consensus of two tracks say that could have been voted for. Or perhaps I am just a soppy fan... Anyway, it was good to hear good songs from new bands such as Futureheads, M.A.S.S. and Black Keys in there and lots of other good stuff making it [with the sad ommission of ILCK] one of the best Festive 50s for a long time D x >From: rockerq@... >Reply-To: peel@yahoogroups.com >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] Tarrant, Peel and MacGregor join Radio Hall of Fame >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:29:51 EST > ><< The first five members to be inducted for their "significant >professional impact" were Tony Blackburn, Alan Freeman, Alistair >Cooke, Noel Edmonds and John Humphrys. >> > >Should that not read "Indicted" where Toe Knee and No El are concerned? > >Rocker _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From christone@... Wed Jan 7 13:15:21 2004 From: christone@... (hemlyn2003) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:15:21 -0000 Subject: Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! Message-ID: Let me start by stating that I love the Peel show, and have done for more years than most people on this list have been breathing...etc OK, with that out of the way, let me rant. I grieve because this year's Fifty, like most, is still dominated by throwback guitar- oriented music. Why? A few of yer guitary bands are definitely worth having around, like Meltbanana (unbelievable), Mogwai (OK), the New Rawk likes of the Stripes & Vaults (in small doses very small), and Super Furry Animals - but, please, spare me the goddamn Fall (who were going places....20 years ago), Belle & ThatLot, The Underarms (see Fall comment), Half Man Ho Ho Yes I Suppose, and most of the rest....it's a litany of yesterday, and it annoys me intensely. Listen up, your Noo Rawk is not Noo, it's old. It's recycled, like leaves on a compost heap. It originated from old blues guys along the Mississippi a long time ago, and was then filtered through the likes of Eric Claptout in the sixties. **The bloody sixties.** Don't you think its time to leave all that behind? Did you know, a near-completely-new form of music kicked off in the late 1980s - house (let's call it post-1988) music. Love it or hate it, it is the music of **your** times. House changed all the rules, opened huge new horizons, and spawned dozens of living, evolving genres in a dramatically short time. Peelie remains one of the few national radio DJ figures really to have grasped the significance of it all, and is, happily, able to apply his extensive experience to the essential task of quality control applied to the post-'88 music he plays. And I can tell that he just loves dropping in the weirdest, biggest, least accessible and most outrageous post-'88 tracks in his programme to make people jump and plant the seeds of the new in his listeners' minds – I really do. And I love `em . The post-'88 music tracks that he plays are *always* the most interesting, innovative and going-somewhere selections on the whole show, week in week out. They're challenging, they're not safe, they don't happen in a predictable manner, they take some effort to get into, and they probably don't sound like your big brother's record collection (sorry), but they do new things to you and take you to places you've never been before. Can you handle that? So it disappoints me when I see a Festive Fifty like that .again. I ain't gonna stop listening to Peel, but I do wonder about what seems to be much of his audience. (Or at least the voting proportion of it.) Sorry The landscape of the post-1988 revolution is still settling down, and a lot of people are trying to catch up with it all - hence the current musical retrenchment, visible everywhere and not just in the Peely 50 (notably, for instance, in the British `NME' music weekly, which is delighted to have blokes waving guitars to take pictures of - once again. Zzzzzzzzz .). But no musical form other than 'post-88' is *actually going places* in the medium- and long-term. If you listen to recycled sounds of the past, good for you, and enjoy them – but for what they are: exactly that. But why not catch up full-bloodedly with the music of the twenty-first century? From markbursa@... Wed Jan 7 14:31:28 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:31:28 EST Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! Message-ID: Christone's post raises several points. Guitar music is dissed because its origins are rooted in the "bloody sixties" yet house is deemed acceptable because it dates from the 88. Er, the Bloody Eighties! Even this is wrong. House was not "completely new" in 1988 as suggested. Its roots are in the work of electronic pioneers such as Kraftwerk, whose revolutionary music was conceived largely in... the Bloody Seventies. They themselves used electronic techniques developed by the likes of Stockhausen in... the Bloody Fifties. Look around you and you'll see that electronic music has been around as long as guitar rock - if not longer. Instruments such as the Ondes Martenot as used by composers like Messaien in the early 20th Century pre-date Leo Fender and the solid bodied electric guitar by some decades. So drawing an arbitrary line in the sand in 1988 is dangerous and, in my opinion downright wrong. Same as drawing a line in 1977 would be. I'd go so far as to say that cutting edge musicians (Autechre, Four Tet etc) are not products of Acid House but of advances in production techniques, principally Pro Tools, Cubase etc and the ability to record directly on to a computer. Take a lok at what Wire are doing in the guitar idiom usiung these techniques for pointers to a more blurred, interesting future. But of course Wire are "old" and probably not "going anywhere", like the Fall. To suggest the Fall "were going places....20 years ago" is to misunderstand the band and its relationship with its own - and Peel's - audience. Finally ask youself why Peel's audience should overwhelmingly vote for dance music? Would Tim Westwood's audience vote for Belle & Sebastian? Peel's audience has broader tastes, but its core remains principally "indie". Like it or lump it. Mark From janb@... Wed Jan 7 15:14:21 2004 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:14:21 -0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! References: Message-ID: <007401c3d528$8f887a00$e74dfea9@...> On Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:15 PM [GMT+1=CET], hemlyn2003 wrote: > Let me start by stating that I love the Peel show, and have done for > more years than most people on this list have been breathing...etc ...but at the end of the day, what you've got to ask is, is it any good? -- Jan From moomin@... Wed Jan 7 15:18:27 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:18:27 +0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , hemlyn2003 writes >Did you know, a near-completely-new form of music kicked off in the >late 1980s - house (let's call it post-1988) music. Love it or hate >it, it is the music of **your** times. House changed all the rules, >opened huge new horizons, and spawned dozens of living, evolving genres >in a dramatically short time. Peelie remains one of the few national >radio DJ figures really to have grasped the significance of it all, and >is, happily, able to apply his extensive experience to the essential >task of quality control applied to the post-'88 music he plays. And I >can tell that he just loves dropping in the weirdest, biggest, least >accessible and most outrageous post-'88 tracks in his programme to make >people jump and plant the seeds of the new in his listeners' minds – >I really do. And I love `em…. I find that modern electronic music wears off me too quickly, except for Autechre at their best. A lot of it seems ephemeral, which I think it's supposed to be. Also there are groups that Peel plays like Plaid and Boards of Canada who are pleasant, but hardly adventurous musically. As I've got older my taste has become narrower and it takes a lot to excite me, and the only group to be really stirring my pot in the ff were Melt Banana. I was also glad to hear 'Black Math' because that's the only really wild track on the White Stripes LP, a lot of which slipped back into conventional rock posturing. There's no reason why guitar music shouldn't be very strange, but at the moment it isn't, as far as I've heard. So I agree with you and don't. -- simon smith From robstrong@... Tue Jan 6 18:11:43 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:11:43 -0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! References: Message-ID: <002c01c3d478$2b1709c0$78d030d5@rob> From: "hemlyn2003" > The post-'88 music tracks that he plays are *always* the most interesting, innovative and going-somewhere selections on the whole show, week in week out. I wonder if you'd be good enough to name some names? I'm curious to hear some of this incredible music. Rob From spamjunk@... Wed Jan 7 21:21:53 2004 From: spamjunk@... (Junk Monkey) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:21:53 +0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: <007401c3d528$8f887a00$e74dfea9@...> References: <007401c3d528$8f887a00$e74dfea9@...> Message-ID: > > >...but at the end of the day, what you've got to ask is, is it any good? You can't ask the most obvious question!! Let people make up their own minds?! Listen to a wide range of music?!@ Have their own opinions!??!?! Outrageous and dangerous, and no room for rants of any kind. Roll on with all the rocking music..... junkmonkey --------------------- Junk Monkey, ANTradio mailto:spamjunk@... http://antradio.net/ _____________________________________________ ANTradio - open access internet radio project -- temporary spam proof email address From john.bravin@... Wed Jan 7 22:36:07 2004 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:36:07 +0100 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! References: Message-ID: <007101c3d566$431f2180$0100a8c0@...> >>>Let me start by stating that I love the Peel show, and have done for more years than most people on this list have been breathing...etc Likewise. And I have listened for the very reason that Peel has never seen the world in terms of rock n roll in the 50s, pop in the 60s, guitar rock in the 70s, house in the 90s etc. There are (and he plays) so many other styles, and therein lies his longevity. Its not his ability to spot and follow the trend that makes him great, it's rather the variety of his mix. If his show was solely white guitar bands and electronica it would be deadly dull - but it never is thanks to the odd piece of reggae, jit jive, country, white soul and black folk. It's true the Festive Fifty is a little predictable, but it's only a bit of festive fun. If it set the playlist pattern for the following year it would be a disaster, but thank God, when it's over Peel takes pleasure in ignoring it and moving on to his next eclectic playlist. And I'm not sure "the post-'88 music tracks that he plays are *always* the most interesting, innovative and going-somewhere selections on the whole show, week in week out". Sometimes they are, but for me the music I take away and listen to again and again are the surprises - juxtapositions of Laura Cantrel and Extreme Noise Terror etc. It's always been thus - many years ago it would have been Tim Buckley and Beefheart, or Douggie Mclean and the Bhundu Boys. There are many DJs who play a carefully blended mix of complimentary music, but it so often results in a samey miasma that takes you nowhere. It really is Peel's jarring exceptions that make him special. From gforsyth@... Wed Jan 7 23:07:47 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:07:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! Message-ID: <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> "Spare me The Fall"? Get a grip, youth. George Forsyth Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save £7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime From moomin@... Wed Jan 7 23:49:31 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:49:31 +0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> References: <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <8WxCIAB7zI$$Ewbm@...> In message <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>, gforsyth@... writes >"Spare me The Fall"? Get a grip, youth. Am I a youth, sir, at the age of 41, since The Fall was most beloved of me through the years 1978 to '88, and yet now I spurn the alcohol-dulled drench of their music and its sodden wife-beating progenitor, Mark E Smith? Well, except for a few tracks - 'Kimble' - when was that? -- simon smith From martinwheatley@... Thu Jan 8 00:13:57 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:13:57 +0000 Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: <8WxCIAB7zI$$Ewbm@...> References: <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040107225752.00ccdca8@...> At 22:49 07/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: >In message <6780240.1073513267544.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>, >gforsyth@... writes >>"Spare me The Fall"? Get a grip, youth. > >Am I a youth, sir, at the age of 41, since The Fall was most beloved of >me through the years 1978 to '88, and yet now I spurn the alcohol-dulled >drench of their music and its sodden wife-beating progenitor, Mark E >Smith? Well I'm 57 and would point out that the Fall have just put out a 4 track ep which wipes the floor with most other things out at the moment It's thoroughly 2004 martinw From markbursa@... Thu Jan 8 01:00:43 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:00:43 EST Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! Message-ID: <6b.20299dfd.2d2df7ab@...> > >>Am I a youth, sir, at the age of 41, since The Fall was most beloved of > me through the years 1978 to '88, and yet now I spurn the alcohol-dulled > drench of their music and its sodden wife-beating progenitor, Mark E > Smith?<< Suggest you go and see them at your earliest convenience. MES looked pretty un-dulled and his new wife Elena (on the keyboards, of course) looked completely unbeaten. On sparkling form right now, and even playing the odd oldie (Middle Mass, Mere Pseud Mag Ed, I Am Damo Suzuki etc). And while you're at it, young whippersnapper, buy the new album and 2000's The Unuterable too. Mark (43, who's witnessed the Fall in four separate decades, somewhat alarmingly!) From fatgattjunior@... Thu Jan 8 15:05:10 2004 From: fatgattjunior@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?Simon=20Melville?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:05:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: <007101c3d566$431f2180$0100a8c0@...> Message-ID: <20040108140511.99927.qmail@...> I agree with what John has written below 100% -- it's the mix that makes the show interesting. I am utterly appalled by the current "ghetto-isation" of music on the radio where every musical style must have it's own 2-hour slot. When Peel finally stops, you can't imagine the BBC commissioning anything comparable, it will have to be a "genre" show. The problem with reading too much into the Festive 50 is that you are asking people to make a decision on 3 tracks and as the majority of Peel listeners will have been brought up on a diet of white blokes with guitars (let's face it) if you have to boil it down to the three songs that you really enjoyed, it's likely to be the ones that are in the musical "idiom" you are most familiar with ("rock" or "pop" for most of us). I would have thought that if you asked people to list the bands, records, events they enjoyed on Peel in the last year (without limiting it to a top 3) there would be plenty of the non-white/non-guitar wielders that have been moaned about here. Or at least I hope so, as I can't possibly imagine why you'd waste your time listening to Peel as there are so many other shows on a myriad of commercial/public-interest channels to satisfy your needs with nary a post-88 dance track to worry about. John Bravin wrote: >>>Let me start by stating that I love the Peel show, and have done for more years than most people on this list have been breathing...etc Likewise. And I have listened for the very reason that Peel has never seen the world in terms of rock n roll in the 50s, pop in the 60s, guitar rock in the 70s, house in the 90s etc. There are (and he plays) so many other styles, and therein lies his longevity. Its not his ability to spot and follow the trend that makes him great, it's rather the variety of his mix. If his show was solely white guitar bands and electronica it would be deadly dull - but it never is thanks to the odd piece of reggae, jit jive, country, white soul and black folk. It's true the Festive Fifty is a little predictable, but it's only a bit of festive fun. If it set the playlist pattern for the following year it would be a disaster, but thank God, when it's over Peel takes pleasure in ignoring it and moving on to his next eclectic playlist. And I'm not sure "the post-'88 music tracks that he plays are *always* the most interesting, innovative and going-somewhere selections on the whole show, week in week out". Sometimes they are, but for me the music I take away and listen to again and again are the surprises - juxtapositions of Laura Cantrel and Extreme Noise Terror etc. It's always been thus - many years ago it would have been Tim Buckley and Beefheart, or Douggie Mclean and the Bhundu Boys. There are many DJs who play a carefully blended mix of complimentary music, but it so often results in a samey miasma that takes you nowhere. It really is Peel's jarring exceptions that make him special. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now From jmsmall@... Thu Jan 8 17:54:51 2004 From: jmsmall@... (Jon) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:54:51 +0000 Subject: fashionista rant Message-ID: <3FFD8B5B.71942A44@...> To suggest that music can only be new and innovative if it is of a certain type is to be hoist by one's own petard. From robstrong@... Wed Jan 7 20:14:50 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:14:50 -0000 Subject: [peel] fashionista rant References: <3FFD8B5B.71942A44@...> Message-ID: <007901c3d553$0de4b4c0$1f3e30d5@rob> From: "Jon" > To suggest that music can only be new and innovative if it is of a > certain type is to be hoist by one's own petard. agreed entirely, which was why I asked the original poster to name names. Interesting to see that there has been no response so far. Rob From hackney.man@... Fri Jan 9 05:18:17 2004 From: hackney.man@... (London Scummer) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:18:17 -0000 Subject: Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let's not confuse Peel's programme's with the Festive 50 eh? Peel is Peel and the Festive 50 is just an annual bit of fun involving his listeners.. to say you might stop listening to the shows because you don't like what you percieve his audience to be is well.. actually don't bother, do what the rest of us do, listen when you want to and do something else when you don't.. it's easy. Often Peel is still the same for me.. sometimes the shows drift over and I just like the vibe and enthusiasm of the man himself and then, as you say, a track will come out and knock you sideways... for me it might have been the Black Keys.. amazing ... for you, something else more obviously 'post 88'. For others the Fall for the umpteenth time.. who share Peel's enthusiasm... that's what makes it special... Peel still creates the best radio you can hear.. Then there's the Festive 50.. only those of us who are a little bit more anal and involved are gonna vote, presumably a good proportion on the this list and what we get is the eclectic list that turns up, the tunes we can remember. It is true, that some of those 'post 88' tracks have knocked me sideways... but I'm damned if I can remember their bloody names... so sorry, I'll scribble down 'Have Love Will Travel' by The Black Keys.. white American boys with guitars... dats life... but Christmas is over... and I've bought another couple of titles from Amazon when my memory was jogged by the Festive 50.. Personally, I think Peel and the F50 is as 21st century as the come... certainly more than any other radio show I can think of.. HM --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "hemlyn2003" wrote: > > Let me start by stating that I love the Peel show, and have done for > more years than most people on this list have been breathing...etc > > OK, with that out of the way, let me rant. I grieve because this > year's Fifty, like most, is still dominated by throwback guitar- > oriented music. Why? A few of yer guitary bands are definitely > worth having around, like Meltbanana (unbelievable), Mogwai (OK), the > New Rawk likes of the Stripes & Vaults (in small doses very small), > and Super Furry Animals - but, please, spare me the goddamn Fall (who > were going places....20 years ago), Belle & ThatLot, The Underarms > (see Fall comment), Half Man Ho Ho Yes I Suppose, and most of the > rest....it's a litany of yesterday, and it annoys me intensely. > > Listen up, your Noo Rawk is not Noo, it's old. It's recycled, like > leaves on a compost heap. It originated from old blues guys along > the Mississippi a long time ago, and was then filtered through the > likes of Eric Claptout in the sixties. **The bloody sixties.** > Don't you think its time to leave all that behind? > > Did you know, a near-completely-new form of music kicked off in the > late 1980s - house (let's call it post-1988) music. Love it or hate > it, it is the music of **your** times. House changed all the rules, > opened huge new horizons, and spawned dozens of living, evolving > genres in a dramatically short time. Peelie remains one of the few > national radio DJ figures really to have grasped the significance of > it all, and is, happily, able to apply his extensive experience to > the essential task of quality control applied to the post-'88 music > he plays. And I can tell that he just loves dropping in the > weirdest, biggest, least accessible and most outrageous post-'88 > tracks in his programme to make people jump and plant the seeds of > the new in his listeners' minds – I really do. And I love `em . > > The post-'88 music tracks that he plays are *always* the most > interesting, innovative and going-somewhere selections on the whole > show, week in week out. They're challenging, they're not safe, they > don't happen in a predictable manner, they take some effort to get > into, and they probably don't sound like your big brother's record > collection (sorry), but they do new things to you and take you to > places you've never been before. Can you handle that? > > So it disappoints me when I see a Festive Fifty like that .again. I > ain't gonna stop listening to Peel, but I do wonder about what seems > to be much of his audience. (Or at least the voting proportion of > it.) Sorry > > The landscape of the post-1988 revolution is still settling down, and > a lot of people are trying to catch up with it all - hence the > current musical retrenchment, visible everywhere and not just in the > Peely 50 (notably, for instance, in the British `NME' music weekly, > which is delighted to have blokes waving guitars to take pictures of - > once again. Zzzzzzzzz .). > > But no musical form other than 'post-88' is *actually going places* > in the medium- and long-term. If you listen to recycled sounds of > the past, good for you, and enjoy them – but for what they are: > exactly that. But why not catch up full-bloodedly with the music of > the twenty-first century? From derive_a_linternet@... Fri Jan 9 09:12:47 2004 From: derive_a_linternet@... (derive_a_linternet) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 08:12:47 -0000 Subject: Dull-ish Festive Fifty - it's still a throwback! In-Reply-To: <6b.20299dfd.2d2df7ab@...> Message-ID: Having only witnessed The Mighty Fall in the three decades, I was floored by them recently and the new LP is genius - Peels devotion to those artists who continue to construct art according to their own tastes rather than those constructed for us by the media, is the main reason why he is still as important to me as he was when I discoverd him as a 12 yr old in 1980. Mike PS aren't other things also important in this music lark than the types of instruments played??? Like art, integrity, humour etc --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@a... wrote: > > > >>Am I a youth, sir, at the age of 41, since The Fall was most beloved of > > me through the years 1978 to '88, and yet now I spurn the alcohol-dulled > > drench of their music and its sodden wife-beating progenitor, Mark E > > Smith?<< > > Suggest you go and see them at your earliest convenience. MES looked pretty > un-dulled and his new wife Elena (on the keyboards, of course) looked > completely unbeaten. On sparkling form right now, and even playing the odd oldie > (Middle Mass, Mere Pseud Mag Ed, I Am Damo Suzuki etc). And while you're at it, > young whippersnapper, buy the new album and 2000's The Unuterable too. > > Mark (43, who's witnessed the Fall in four separate decades, somewhat > alarmingly!) From adyfoley@... Sat Jan 10 16:53:58 2004 From: adyfoley@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ady=20foley?=) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:53:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] fashionista rant In-Reply-To: <3FFD8B5B.71942A44@...> Message-ID: <20040110155358.28004.qmail@...> haha, that rings a bell jon... reading this thread has at times been like reading the letters page of one of the broadsheets... ;-) personally, i like listening to peel for the sheer variety of stuff he plays, and the fuck up's of course. i don't like everything he plays, who does? but his show is about the only thing worth hearing on radio 1 these days and probably the only show to offer airplay to loads of bands, be it white boys with guitars or "post-88 house" (i thought he favoured techno) or whatever that wouldn't get heard elsewhere. long may he continue. now if only he'd find that package i sent him... yours faithfully, disgusted of oxford --- Jon wrote: > > To suggest that music can only be new and innovative if it is of a > certain type is to be hoist by one's own petard. ===== vacuous pop recordings, po box 289, oxford ox5 1we cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / youthmoviesoundtrackstrategies / the edmund fitzgerald http://www.vacuouspop.com ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From Phyll@... Sun Jan 11 11:57:44 2004 From: Phyll@... (Phyll@...) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:57:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 Message-ID: <18670846.1073818664013.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Personally i really enjoyed the festive fifty this year. Lots of good stuff there. Yes loads of perenial 'Peel Favorates' but nicely devoid of fashion too - last years 50 had loads of Strokes stuff - none (suprisingly) this year, it seems Peels audience have moved on with him yet again. And those bands who do come back year after year? The Fall have ploughed a lonely furrow these last 25 years, they've chaged a little, but they've always been the Fall. I can't see that they've really developed as a band much. But the point is that there is no-one else out there being the Fall (or at least not doing it well) so they're still relevent. Perhaps the nearest band to the Fall is HMHB - to dismiss them as merely a laugh is to miss the point entirely, they are to be sure flippant about their art, but they are no means one dimentional. As for the 'Underarms' (perhaps listening to a bit more HMHB would improve your punning skills) i was really impressed, i'd assumed that they were going to be a sad shadow of their early selves (which i think they'd managed to become in their origonal incarnation by the end) but no, this but of fat middle aged blokes had pulled out some really dynamic and origonal tumes - from what i heard in the 50 (i've not heard the record) (similarly the Buzzcocks are a band i expected to be a shit pub band when they reformed - but no their music is really new, fresh and stylistically a million miles from their origonal sound, but still really good.) I didn't like B&S's makeover, but they are at least moving on. I thought the 50 was great this year - and that the mix was probibly better than usual (i don't actually like most of the 'dance music' that Peel plays, but i love the variety anyway) - it's sad, but there's never been much of his reggae or african music playlist in the FF. By the way - does anyone know where i can get hold of Diblo Dibale records? any recomendations? Phyll x. Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save £7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime From rlawson@... Mon Jan 12 11:49:17 2004 From: rlawson@... (CR Lawson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:49:17 +0800 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 References: <18670846.1073818664013.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Message-ID: <40027BAD.48D4DC31@...> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derive_a_linternet@... Mon Jan 12 14:21:08 2004 From: derive_a_linternet@... (derive_a_linternet) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:21:08 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 706 In-Reply-To: <40027BAD.48D4DC31@...> Message-ID: WOW - thanks for that - never heard of these guys before!! --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, CR Lawson wrote: > best place is probably Sterns near Warren Street underground station the web site is http://www.sternsmusic.com/ but i guess you can search for other african music outlets. From c.lane@... Mon Jan 12 14:35:33 2004 From: c.lane@... (Chris Lane) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:35:33 -0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 Message-ID: Can someone maybe recommend a Diblo Dibala CD? I've got something with him as guest guitar but no dedicated discs... > as for buying Diblo, the best place is probably Sterns near > Warren Street underground station the web site is > http://www.sternsmusic.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Internet E-mail communications are not secure and therefore the Khaos Technologies Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Khaos Technologies Group unless otherwise specifically stated. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From colmgallagher@... Mon Jan 12 15:39:23 2004 From: colmgallagher@... (Colm Gallagher) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:39:23 -0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 709 References: <1073889326.154.55031.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000e01c3d919$def9d2b0$ec862e50@sn011097420294> Re Diblo Dibala Check out Sterns Records in London cheers From spamjunk@... Mon Jan 12 15:55:01 2004 From: spamjunk@... (Junk Monkey) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:55:01 +0000 Subject: Profanity warnings Message-ID: Why does JP have to make a warning about the potentially offensive content of the show? I've heard some of the s**t that's played on Radio 1 during the day, and they don't have to make warnings? What's going on? Maybe it's because techno-savvy children have twigged on to the online archives of the peel show, spawning a whole generation of independently minded individuals. Shock horror. junkmonkey --------------------- Junk Monkey, ANTradio mailto:spamjunk@... http://antradio.net/ _____________________________________________ ANTradio - open access internet radio project -- temporary spam proof email address From blairbear@... Mon Jan 12 16:57:37 2004 From: blairbear@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:57:37 -0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ae01c3d924$d07ae1b0$4e679fd4@arthur> I have a couple I got from Sterns with him playing with Matchatcha, both are fine with Laisserpasser being the best. There is a best of CD on the Melodie label serial No 08584. You could try any of the file sharing groups like soulseek or shareaza there were a few tracks the last time I looked . Good Luck Davie -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lane [mailto:c.lane@...] Sent: 12 January 2004 13:36 To: 'peel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [peel] Digest Number 706 Can someone maybe recommend a Diblo Dibala CD? I've got something with him as guest guitar but no dedicated discs... > as for buying Diblo, the best place is probably Sterns near > Warren Street underground station the web site is > HYPERLINK "http://www.sternsmusic.com/"http://www.sternsmusic.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Internet E-mail communications are not secure and therefore the Khaos Technologies Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Khaos Technologies Group unless otherwise specifically stated. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit HYPERLINK "http://www.messagelabs.com"http://www.messagelabs.com _____ Yahoo! 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(Chris Lane) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:43:36 -0000 Subject: [peel] Profanity warnings Message-ID: There was a B*ll*cks on Radio 4's "Just a Minute" last week at ~6:45 p.m. which surprised me. Maybe John got rollocked for language in 1973 and has been wary ever since. > Why does JP have to make a warning about the potentially > offensive content of the show? ________________________________________________________________________ Internet E-mail communications are not secure and therefore the Khaos Technologies Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Khaos Technologies Group unless otherwise specifically stated. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From martinwheatley@... Mon Jan 12 17:36:52 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:36:52 +0000 Subject: [peel] Profanity warnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040112163509.00c4cfc8@...> At 14:55 12/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Why does JP have to make a warning about the potentially offensive >content of the show? I've heard some of the s**t that's played on >Radio 1 during the day, and they don't have to make warnings? What's >going on? > I wondered about that too. Perhaps its because he had F**k in session last week. However it did sound like he was reading a statement he'd been given to read but modifying it. If he's still doing it this week we'll known it's because he's been told to by the management martinw From martinwheatley@... Mon Jan 12 17:42:02 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:42:02 +0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 In-Reply-To: <01ae01c3d924$d07ae1b0$4e679fd4@arthur> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040112163835.00c4b660@...> >Can someone maybe recommend a Diblo Dibala CD? I've got something with him
>as guest guitar but no dedicated discs...
>
>> as for buying Diblo, the best place is probably Sterns near
>> Warren Street underground station the web site is
>> http://www.sternsmusic.com/
>
Diblo did a session for Andy Kershaw and Matchatcha did sessions for both Peel and Kershaw martinw From rlawson@... Tue Jan 13 07:44:55 2004 From: rlawson@... (CR Lawson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:44:55 +0800 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 706 References: <01ae01c3d924$d07ae1b0$4e679fd4@arthur> Message-ID: <400393E7.29B603AF@...> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rlawson@... Tue Jan 13 07:56:01 2004 From: rlawson@... (CR Lawson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:56:01 +0800 Subject: [peel] Profanity warnings References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040112163509.00c4cfc8@...> Message-ID: <40039681.17E737F8@...> Martin i think he first read it on last Tuesday's show (before F**k) appeared and stated that in 2004 they are legally obliged to advise you that you may hear things that may cause offence .. i've seen nothing in the press/BBC site to indicate that it is compulsory for all radio shows where profanity may occur, but it is unlikely that he would make it up ..even though he does take the p**s out of the directive. Rob Martin Wheatley wrote: > At 14:55 12/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Why does JP have to make a warning about the potentially offensive > >content of the show? I've heard some of the s**t that's played on > >Radio 1 during the day, and they don't have to make warnings? What's > >going on? > > > > I wondered about that too. Perhaps its because he had F**k in session > last week. However it did sound like he was reading a statement he'd > been given to read but modifying it. If he's still doing it this week we'll > known it's because he's been told to by the management > > martinw > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From destroythedancefloor2000@... Tue Jan 13 12:50:27 2004 From: destroythedancefloor2000@... (pete) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:50:27 -0000 Subject: Can anybody help? Message-ID: I am looking for live bootlegs/ demos and especially the imfamous Peel sessions by the old Derby band 'Cable'. Iknow they were a peel fave. Its a long shot, has anyone got any recordings? Ive tried literally everywhere for so long with no luck. If you have i could do a trade for something.cheers in advance. From blairbear@... Tue Jan 13 17:24:04 2004 From: blairbear@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:24:04 -0000 Subject: [peel] Can anybody help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <023d01c3d9f1$a99e3790$4e679fd4@arthur> I have an old tape with one of Cables sessions plus some other stuff on the same tape with surprisingly enough F*** coincidence or what, tracks are as below. I have listened to the cable recording again doesn’t sound to bad ( well not to bad for an old tape )you can have it free gratis as I never play tapes anymore just don’t have the time. Send me your address and I’ll pop it in the post. Davie Group Name Title Cable God gave me gravity,Freeze the Atlantic,Sprite ad blues,Ring of fire Secret Goldfish Four excited people,Top of the world,Hey mr fox, Pink drone Urusei Yatsura Hello Tiger.Exidor,Flaming star, Dice nae dice Hitchers Human skull, wannabe,Urge to kill. Its my band Fuck Shotgun hours,Lil Hilda,Serpent to my girl,Thoroughfare -----Original Message----- From: pete [mailto:destroythedancefloor2000@...] Sent: 13 January 2004 11:50 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Can anybody help? I am looking for live bootlegs/ demos and especially the imfamous Peel sessions by the old Derby band 'Cable'. Iknow they were a peel fave. Its a long shot, has anyone got any recordings? Ive tried literally everywhere for so long with no luck. If you have i could do a trade for something.cheers in advance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HYPERLINK "http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cat5f1b/M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705022409:HM/EXP=1074081031/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116730"click here HYPERLINK "http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=441704406" _____ Yahoo! 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(Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:59:22 +0000 Subject: [peel] Can anybody help? In-Reply-To: <023d01c3d9f1$a99e3790$4e679fd4@arthur> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040113185509.02a61388@...> > >Cable God gave me gravity,Freeze the Atlantic,Sprite ad >blues,Ring of fire > I think this is the June 1997 session. There are 2 earlier ones 11/94, 2/96 martinw From destroythedancefloor2000@... Tue Jan 13 23:58:34 2004 From: destroythedancefloor2000@... (pete) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:58:34 -0000 Subject: Can anybody help? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040113185509.02a61388@...> Message-ID: Many thanks i shall email you my address!mwah! Yeah there are quite a few sessions i'll show you a link i found, http://www.vheissu.freeserve.co.uk/bands/c.html Seems almost impossible to get hold of these recordings or live stuff these days, they were a magnificent band! Oh and plus (scroll down on this link to see the cable bootlegs i know are available somewhere, i have emailed the guy whos list it is, no reply) http://members.tripod.com/batyboot/bootleg.html From jmsmall@... Wed Jan 14 01:37:29 2004 From: jmsmall@... (Jon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:37:29 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Can anybody help? References: Message-ID: <40048F49.3B7581F2@...> pete wrote: > Many thanks i shall email you my address!mwah! > Yeah there are quite a few sessions i'll show you a link i found, > http://www.vheissu.freeserve.co.uk/bands/c.html > Seems almost impossible to get hold of these recordings or live stuff > these days, they were a magnificent band! > > Oh and plus (scroll down on this link to see the cable bootlegs i > know are available somewhere, i have emailed the guy whos list it is, > no reply) Wow! What an incredible website! Um, sorry I didn't reply, I have a big file of people who have emailed who I haven't been arsed to write back to yet. I have all the Cable live sets / sessions except one I think. Jon http://www.vheissu.freeserve.co.uk From jmsmall@... Wed Jan 14 01:42:18 2004 From: jmsmall@... (Jon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:42:18 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Can anybody help? References: Message-ID: <4004906A.E1CF56EF@...> pete wrote: > Oh and plus (scroll down on this link to see the cable bootlegs i > know are available somewhere, i have emailed the guy whos list it is, > no reply) Oh you didnt write to me. I'm pissed. I went to the pub and there was a quiz on. We lost because we just answered "cliff richard" to every question. I'm going to bed. Jon From troche@... Wed Jan 14 04:27:11 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:27:11 -0500 Subject: Christmas 2003 In-Reply-To: <1073972909.339.49579.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1073972909.339.49579.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I have uploaded a scan of the Ravenscroft's annual hand drawn card to the photos area of the yahoo peel group page... http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/lst?.dir=/&.src=gr&.view=t tom r From destroythedancefloor2000@... Wed Jan 14 10:43:06 2004 From: destroythedancefloor2000@... (pete) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:06 -0000 Subject: Can anybody help? In-Reply-To: <4004906A.E1CF56EF@...> Message-ID: hehe this is to you Jon. Any chance you could do me any copies of the cable stuff you have? I could either record you something or i'll send you some cdr's or soemthing. Cheers. From gforsyth@... Wed Jan 14 13:41:47 2004 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:41:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: HELP (non-peel) Message-ID: <12526314.1074084107038.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Can anyone give me the names and addresses of good record shops in Manchester? Thanks George Forsyth Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save £7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime From markbursa@... Wed Jan 14 13:47:48 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:47:48 EST Subject: [peel] HELP (non-peel) Message-ID: <65.209664c5.2d369474@...> > Can anyone give me the names and addresses of good > > record shops in Manchester? Just head for Oldham Street, off Piccadilly. You'll find Piccadilly Records, Vinyl Exchange, Eastern Bloc and a few others up there. Mark From ali_kuzan@... Thu Jan 15 06:06:07 2004 From: ali_kuzan@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ali=20karan?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 2/5 BZ ' Peel Session ' 12 inch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040115050607.95208.qmail@...> http://www.2-5bz.com 2/5 BZ ' Peel Session ' 12 inch vinly release november 03 . in http://www.hardwax.com record store-mail order - distribution SPECIAL FEATURE brilliant mixture of traditional turkish music and advanced cut-up technics - TIP!!! G�zel Records 001 2/5 BZ: Peel Sessions in http://www.hardwax.com/update/1314new.html record store-mail order - distribution tracks from ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20030506 1 - No Touristik , No Egzotik 2 - Etnik Market , Etnik Paranoia 3 - Ampul 4 - �er Ekseni Euro 12" @ EUR 8,50 | #42633 - reviewed ***** in De:Bug magazine in january 2004 . in istanbul shops ; - zihni m�zik d�kkan� m�h�rdar cad. akmar pasaj�. 70/13 kad�k�y istanbul tel 0216 3365009 - roomrecordings d�kkan� s�raselviler cad. no:74/18 taksim tel:02122490306 roomrecordings@... 2/5 BZ performed in berlin 28 th november - record release party - http://www.noweb.org/guest/dienstbar/dienstbarflyer-281103.htm http://www.2-5bz.com 2/5 BZ september 2003 tour 5 th friday mares / maastricht played for soundart ' project-ctrl-alt-del 's openning act . later other participiants played in istanbul ( merzbow, kim cascone , scanner , matt wand ,..for this project . 9 th tuesday astrastube / hamburg http://www.astra-stube.de berlinOPUA tour 11th thursday eschschloraque / berlin haus-schwarzenberg rosanthaller str . 39 12 th friday '' crashcourse '' in rungestr. 20 // berlin-mitte / meinebank 13 th saturday http://dienstbar.de.vu / salon bruit berlin Schliemannstr. 40 14 th ssunday sama cafe 32, squat berlin-friedrichshain 16 th thusday http://www.sparwasserhq.de gallery torstrasse 161 , 10115 berlin 17 th wendesday automatenbar / berlin 2/5 BZ Since 1986, Serhat K�ksal aka 2/5 BZ has been performing with tapes, samplers, saz, electronics ,darbouka and spoken word. The style varies between traditional music via experimental electronic sounds to improvisation with elements that stem from Turkish cinema. He also makes audiotapes, photocopy zines, stickers, CDR, flyers, DVD-R, posters, and video cut-up works as collages of 70s and 80s Turkish melodrama and action films, political propaganda and media imageries of social phenomena. 2/5 BZ performed 'No Turistik No Egzotik Improvise/Electro Folk Cut' in 38 cities in different geographies such as in Switzerland, France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Russia, and Poland. With '2/5BZ union in eurOPUA Tour' he recently participated to some international festivals like Berlin Clubtransmediale, 03 Festival, Istanbul Phonem Festival, St Petersburg SKIF 7 Festival, Amsterdam WorldWideVideo/RGB Festival , Rotterdam Music Bienal and have been aired on countless radio stations around the world (WMFU, BBC, RCV,VPRO ) . 2/5BZ aka Serhat K�ksal composed musics some international experimental films from Germany,Iran,Switzerland and living/working in Istanbul . http://2-5bz.com 2/5 BZ news ; DE:BUG.73 07/08.2003 magazine CD reviewed ***** ( ja ) about BerBat Z�ksal 's '' No Touristik No Egzotik '' album . 2/5BZ played Video and Audio performance in international World Wide Video Festival in Amsterdam 23 may 2003 .http://www.wwvf.nl/2003/0rgb.htm This live performance in Radio VPRO 's audio archive '' No Touristic No Exotic Turkish Sound Terrorist '' ; http://pages.vpro.nl/3voor12/concerts/concert.shtml?2534202+2584688+2584508+12204428+12204363 Serhat K�ksal ( 2/5 BZ ) composed ' Tehran 1380 ' documentry film's all musics- film about Tehran city - broadcasted in ZDF tv channel . http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/programmuebersicht/0,2060,03_11_06-3-8,00.html 2/5BZ aka Serhat Koksal in John Peel Session BBC Radio 1 in 6 may 2003 . http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml 6 may Peel Session playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/tracklistings/peel_archive.shtml?20030506 ' Peel Session ' tracks 1- No Touristik No Egzotik 2- Etnik Market,Etnik Paranoia 3- Ampul 4- �er Ekseni BBC Radio3 ' Mixing It '11 may playlist . http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/playlists/2003aprjun/mixingit0319.shtml 2/5BZ played in ' i am too sad to kill you ! ' exhibition opening act in proje4L gallery 10 july 2003 istanbul . 2/5 BZ trent r�p�rtaj http://www.trendsettermag.com/template.asp?baslik_id=552 2/5BZ played 3 people ( electronics, bass , video mixer ) for '' performansg�nleri '' in 3 june 2003 babylon / istanbul. http://www.performansgunleri.org/serhatkoksal.html played 29 may in Bouchum Univercity Theatre Festival . 2/5bz played in Austria,Russia in april 2003 http://www.republikavega.narod.ru/skifeng/skifeng.htm http://www.sptimerussia.com/archive/times/861/features/a_9246.htm http://www.fulldozer.ru/articles/24 international SKIF 7 festival performance live audio and video http://www.dom.com.ru/event/2003/04/23/ DOM club moscow in 24 april performance audio and video http://www.aktuellekunst-graz.at/2003/gal24.shtml 26 april 2003 live performance audio and video in graz/austria and also solo exhibition for video art and sound instilation from 2/5BZ aka Serhat Koksal 7 Haziran Radikal Gaztesi t�rk�e haber ; http://www.radikal.com.tr/veriler/2003/06/07/haber_77518.php 2/5BZ aka Serhat K�ksal No Turistik No Egzotik Electro Folk Cut 2003 Tour 6 february international Clubtransmediale Festival Berlin 10 february Elektrohaus Hamburg 15 february Orkz Groningen 21 february Extrapool http://www.extrapool.nl/200325bz.html Nijmegen 22 february international Rotterdam Music Bienal/Worm Rotterdam 25 february Eschloraque/Neurotitan Berlin 26 february Salon Bruite/Dienstbar Berlin 27 february Galerie 5300/Bauhaus Univercity Weimar 28 february Voxxx Chemnitz '2/5bz union in eurOPUA' 7 city/9 show tour finished . played in international clubtransmediale festival in 6 february . http://www.clubtransmediale.de other some participiants ; recherzentrum ,random inc.,negativland , scanner , ultra red , otto von schirach , pansonic ,john oswald , people like us ,... http://64.58.76.136/search/cache?p=2-5bz&b=21&url=SKSx5UgO8CAC:www.thewire.co.uk/ also played improvise with acoutic saz and electronics in international rotterdam bienal in 22 february worm .other artists in this bienal participiants ; chris cutler ,george lewis , eddie prevost ,.. 20 march 2003 2/5BZ played in istanbul/Phonem festival . with other participiants ; recherzentrum ,mu-ziq , carl craig , pansonic ,thomas brinkmann,.. stage in 1 univercity , 2 club 1 venue . http://www.istfest.org/pilato/index.htm http://www.istfest.org/pilato/20mart.htm 2/5bz played headliner in turkish electronic artists performance day in 20 march in Istanbul Phonem Festival . broadcasted interview with u.k. 's Channel 4 tv about 2/5BZ and turkish pop cinema in 24/11/2001 . more detail ; http://mecma.2-5bz.com one track for Peace News magazine 's Fight War Not Wars CD compilation . it publishing since 66 year issue august 2002 ' culture and resistance ' . more detail about CD ; http://peacenews.info/audiocd/index.php ' no touristic no egzotik istanbul cut up ' about 2/5 BZ in international electronic music media culture magazine De:Bug April 2002 Time Out �stanbul magazine article about 2/5BZ ; Scissors , paper ,.. on the cut-and-pasting edge What's up with 2/5 BZ . in february 2003 . WFMU international radio; wfmu's heavy pleayed recording 2001 lists: 2 may 18 may me�hur kurat�r istanbul m�h�rdar� posteri - jipek versiyonu http://www.geocities.com/serhatkoksal/indexposters.html web - info ; http://www.2-5bz.com 2/5BZ contact ; P.K.55 Suadiye 81070 Istanbul - Turkey e - mail ; serhatkoksal@... serhatkoksal@... ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From rob.lockwood@... Thu Jan 15 11:08:29 2004 From: rob.lockwood@... (robbyell) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:08:29 -0000 Subject: Benny Profane and Cud Message-ID: Hi all - long shot, but you're the guys who can... Has anyone got a copy of the double CD album by Benny Profane (Trapdoor Swing / Dumb Luck Charm) or Cud's When In Rome to flog / copy for me? Neither surfaces very often, and I'm particularly miffed by having seen the Benny Profane album for £6 in a shop in Liverpool and being a skint student. Got something like 15 tapes filled up with the best of Peel from the late 80's / early 90's including sessions by the Wedding Present, Benny Profane, Cinerama, Dan, Buy off the Bar and more recently Rock of Travolta, Clinic, Ladytron, Hyper Kinako etc etc. to trade if you want. I know you can do it...! Rob From robfleay@... Thu Jan 15 11:42:07 2004 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:42:07 +0000 Subject: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud Message-ID: <20040115104211.UMWB5044.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.61]> I've got those three albums - only on vinyl though... Were they definitely issued on CD?? A lot of that era's music came only on vinyl. > > From: "robbyell" > Date: 2004/01/15 Thu AM 10:08:29 GMT > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud > > Hi all - long shot, but you're the guys who can... > > Has anyone got a copy of the double CD album by Benny Profane > (Trapdoor Swing / Dumb Luck Charm) or Cud's When In Rome to flog / > copy for me? Neither surfaces very often, and I'm particularly > miffed by having seen the Benny Profane album for �6 in a shop in > Liverpool and being a skint student. > > Got something like 15 tapes filled up with the best of Peel from the > late 80's / early 90's including sessions by the Wedding Present, > Benny Profane, Cinerama, Dan, Buy off the Bar and more recently Rock > of Travolta, Clinic, Ladytron, Hyper Kinako etc etc. to trade if you > want. > > I know you can do it...! > > > > Rob > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From d.mckinnon@... Thu Jan 15 11:48:50 2004 From: d.mckinnon@... (McKINNON Dougal) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:48:50 -0000 Subject: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud Message-ID: There's a copy of the "When In Rome.." CD on e-bay at the moment with the bid standing at £31. dougal mckinnon Tel: 01782 294832 E-mail: d.mckinnon@... -----Original Message----- From: robfleay@... [mailto:robfleay@...] Sent: 15 January 2004 10:42 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud I've got those three albums - only on vinyl though... Were they definitely issued on CD?? A lot of that era's music came only on vinyl. The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. From blairbear@... Thu Jan 15 16:53:42 2004 From: blairbear@... (Davie Ramsay) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:53:42 -0000 Subject: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00b601c3db7f$c0083a00$4e679fd4@arthur> I’ve got a couple of 12” singles Devil Laughing and Parasite both on Ediesta, I see Devil Laughing is on their discography but not Parasite, anyone shed any light.Am I sitting on a goldmine :-))))) Cheers Davie -----Original Message----- From: robbyell [mailto:rob.lockwood@...] Sent: 15 January 2004 10:08 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Benny Profane and Cud Hi all - long shot, but you're the guys who can... Has anyone got a copy of the double CD album by Benny Profane (Trapdoor Swing / Dumb Luck Charm) or Cud's When In Rome to flog / copy for me? Neither surfaces very often, and I'm particularly miffed by having seen the Benny Profane album for £6 in a shop in Liverpool and being a skint student. Got something like 15 tapes filled up with the best of Peel from the late 80's / early 90's including sessions by the Wedding Present, Benny Profane, Cinerama, Dan, Buy off the Bar and more recently Rock of Travolta, Clinic, Ladytron, Hyper Kinako etc etc. to trade if you want. I know you can do it...! Rob _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HYPERLINK "mailto:peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe"peel-unsubs cribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 02/01/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 02/01/2004 From stuartlt2003@... Fri Jan 16 03:37:02 2004 From: stuartlt2003@... (Stuart Troutman) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:37:02 -0000 Subject: Magic Band & Fall 23 Jan Message-ID: The current ex-Beefheart Magic Band and The Fall are playing a double-bill at Royal Festival Hall on Friday 23 Jan., courtesy the South Bank Centre. Somebody over there (I'm in the US), PLEASE look into anything happening that might document this performance. What a prefect lineup! I'd like to believe that JP will be there, even better if there's a chance in hell that some or all of the show could be recorded and (pipedream) aired on JP's show at some point. Keep us posted. - stuart.troutman1@... / stuartlt@... From stuartlt2003@... Fri Jan 16 03:52:43 2004 From: stuartlt2003@... (Stuart Troutman) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:52:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fall & Magic Band next week at RFH Message-ID: <20040116025243.54131.qmail@...> Someone here PLEASE keep us abreast of the upcoming Friday night show (23 Jan) at Royal Festival Hall, sponsored by South Bank Centre, featuring the current ex-Beefheart Magic Band, as well The Fall. I would think that JP would be there. (I'm more interested in knowing if any of the show gets recorded, and - not likely - if any of it could possibly make its way onto one of JP's upcoming Radio 1 programs.) By all means, please post reviews of the show, and if anyone gets wind of a possible outlet for a dub of the evening's performance, PLEASE let me know. Thank you. (You lucky London area folks...I'm too far away to be there Friday night.) - stuartlt@... - stuart.troutman1@... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes From troche@... Mon Jan 19 14:35:13 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:35:13 -0500 Subject: brief BBCWS article Message-ID: Last Updated: Friday, 16 January, 2004, 01:39 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3376547.stm E-mail this to a friend Printable version Cover versions: John Peel All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at cover versions - songs re-recorded by another artist - to find what makes a great cover, and why. John Peel is one of the most respected and lasting names in music broadcasting. Here he outlines what, for him, makes a good cover version. I know loads of cover versions that are regarded as being better than the original. Sometimes there has been a really good original and then an even better cover. I like cover versions. I don't like cover versions when they're just a faithful replica of the original - you get an awful lot of that and it seems to me to be utterly pointless. But when somebody comes along and does something original that you wouldn't have expected, then that is particularly welcome. One of my all-time favourite records is a 12-inch by some people called Moloko. This was a single released in 1989, and it's a cover version of Wilson Pickett's In The Midnight Hour. In The Midnight Hour is a great record, but this is In The Midnight Hour done soukous style. It was recorded in Florida, but it's got this extraordinary soukous guitar playing. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones' first albums were both full of cover versions. It's what they know - it's the tunes that they've been playing before they had the confidence to write their own. The Who, The Kinks - all of those '60s bands started off doing loads of covers, and then they graduated into doing tunes that sounded as if they might have been written by the people whose records they'd previously been covering. Then they developed their own characters. Another great cover is a reggae version - by somebody called Merlene Webber - of A Whiter Shade Of Pale. People spend a great deal of time describing music and explaining why they like it or don't like. I prefer not to do that - mine is just an animal response to it. I wouldn't wish to be able to analyse why I like things. But I do like reggae and I like Whiter Shade Of Pale. The lyrics - which were daft enough in the first place - have been learned parrot-fashion, and thereby have been rendered even sillier than they were originally. That gives it an added charm. The World Today programme would like your comments, to be broadcast on air. If you would like to comment on this story, please use the form on the right. From c.lane@... Mon Jan 19 16:02:43 2004 From: c.lane@... (Chris Lane) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:02:43 -0000 Subject: [peel] brief BBCWS article Message-ID: Done -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roche [mailto:troche@...] Sent: 19 January 2004 13:35 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] brief BBCWS article Last Updated: Friday, 16 January, 2004, 01:39 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3376547.stm E-mail this to a friend Printable version Cover versions: John Peel All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at cover versions - songs re-recorded by another artist - to find what makes a great cover, and why. John Peel is one of the most respected and lasting names in music broadcasting. Here he outlines what, for him, makes a good cover version. I know loads of cover versions that are regarded as being better than the original. Sometimes there has been a really good original and then an even better cover. I like cover versions. I don't like cover versions when they're just a faithful replica of the original - you get an awful lot of that and it seems to me to be utterly pointless. But when somebody comes along and does something original that you wouldn't have expected, then that is particularly welcome. One of my all-time favourite records is a 12-inch by some people called Moloko. This was a single released in 1989, and it's a cover version of Wilson Pickett's In The Midnight Hour. In The Midnight Hour is a great record, but this is In The Midnight Hour done soukous style. It was recorded in Florida, but it's got this extraordinary soukous guitar playing. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones' first albums were both full of cover versions. It's what they know - it's the tunes that they've been playing before they had the confidence to write their own. The Who, The Kinks - all of those '60s bands started off doing loads of covers, and then they graduated into doing tunes that sounded as if they might have been written by the people whose records they'd previously been covering. Then they developed their own characters. Another great cover is a reggae version - by somebody called Merlene Webber - of A Whiter Shade Of Pale. People spend a great deal of time describing music and explaining why they like it or don't like. I prefer not to do that - mine is just an animal response to it. I wouldn't wish to be able to analyse why I like things. But I do like reggae and I like Whiter Shade Of Pale. The lyrics - which were daft enough in the first place - have been learned parrot-fashion, and thereby have been rendered even sillier than they were originally. That gives it an added charm. The World Today programme would like your comments, to be broadcast on air. If you would like to comment on this story, please use the form on the right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . This email originated externally and has been scanned by MessageLabs ________________________________________________________________________ Internet E-mail communications are not secure and therefore the Khaos Technologies Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Khaos Technologies Group unless otherwise specifically stated. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From c.lane@... Mon Jan 19 16:22:33 2004 From: c.lane@... (Chris Lane) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:22:33 -0000 Subject: [peel] brief BBCWS article Message-ID: Sorry everyone, replied to wrong message! Confused me for a couple of minutes... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lane [mailto:c.lane@...] Sent: 19 January 2004 15:03 To: 'peel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [peel] brief BBCWS article Done -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roche [mailto:troche@...] Sent: 19 January 2004 13:35 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] brief BBCWS article Last Updated: Friday, 16 January, 2004, 01:39 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3376547.stm E-mail this to a friend Printable version Cover versions: John Peel All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at cover versions - songs re-recorded by another artist - to find what makes a great cover, and why. John Peel is one of the most respected and lasting names in music broadcasting. Here he outlines what, for him, makes a good cover version. I know loads of cover versions that are regarded as being better than the original. Sometimes there has been a really good original and then an even better cover. I like cover versions. I don't like cover versions when they're just a faithful replica of the original - you get an awful lot of that and it seems to me to be utterly pointless. But when somebody comes along and does something original that you wouldn't have expected, then that is particularly welcome. One of my all-time favourite records is a 12-inch by some people called Moloko. This was a single released in 1989, and it's a cover version of Wilson Pickett's In The Midnight Hour. In The Midnight Hour is a great record, but this is In The Midnight Hour done soukous style. It was recorded in Florida, but it's got this extraordinary soukous guitar playing. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones' first albums were both full of cover versions. It's what they know - it's the tunes that they've been playing before they had the confidence to write their own. The Who, The Kinks - all of those '60s bands started off doing loads of covers, and then they graduated into doing tunes that sounded as if they might have been written by the people whose records they'd previously been covering. Then they developed their own characters. Another great cover is a reggae version - by somebody called Merlene Webber - of A Whiter Shade Of Pale. People spend a great deal of time describing music and explaining why they like it or don't like. I prefer not to do that - mine is just an animal response to it. I wouldn't wish to be able to analyse why I like things. But I do like reggae and I like Whiter Shade Of Pale. The lyrics - which were daft enough in the first place - have been learned parrot-fashion, and thereby have been rendered even sillier than they were originally. That gives it an added charm. The World Today programme would like your comments, to be broadcast on air. 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For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com From diamondgeeezer@... Thu Jan 22 22:24:58 2004 From: diamondgeeezer@... (diamondgeeezer) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:24:58 -0000 Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle class grammar boys' problem with that Peely? Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have any influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over played is that. One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. From d.mckinnon@... Fri Jan 23 09:56:42 2004 From: d.mckinnon@... (McKINNON Dougal) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0000 Subject: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: > Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting > arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like > it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. Nice work if you can get it. Being paid money to complain about things - why do I never get jobs like that? On a more serious note - if you object to Peel doing the voice-over why not write to whoever gave him the job in the first place? And I don't know the programme you're referring to - did Peel actually write the commentary or is he mouthing someone else's words? Incidentally, he played something by and was very complimentary to Pink Floyd this week. Maybe, just maybe, the criticisms of whatever prog rock bands you feel so precious about were justified..... > The Festive 50 how pretentious and over played is that It's probably as pretentious as any other end of year poll It's (over?) played once a year. dougal mckinnon Tel: 01782 294832 E-mail: d.mckinnon@... From d.huppertz@... Fri Jan 23 10:30:28 2004 From: d.huppertz@... (dirkhuppertz2003) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:30:28 -0000 Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "diamondgeeezer" wrote: > Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting > arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like > it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle class > grammar boys' problem with that Peely? > Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in > with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have any > influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over > played is that. > One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it > certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. .... and how do you think, Mr. Clever, has the 'modern music' you refer to managed to develop until nowadays? Do you think it has been invented out of the blue in last year's summer? Or might it possibly be the case that there were influences of one sort or another by 'boring indie bands' in the 80's (and mind you: OF COURSE those people are older now (and so are their fans), regarding the fact that they started some 25 years ago)?? And if weren't for Mr. Peel you can be willing to have a bet that your modern music heroes would not be aware of those influences now. At least not in the format that Peel opened up for them with his continuing work and interest. From jon@... Fri Jan 23 11:09:32 2004 From: jon@... (Jon Hall) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:09:32 -0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 715 In-Reply-To: <1074851574.200.78676.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I'm trying to delve into my muddy memory, but as I recall, Peel was doing the voice-over on the Prog-Rock family tree. This was part of a series of programs based on Pete Frame's Rock Family Tree book, which featured loads of different artists each week. He was however contributing his views on the program before hand, but not as I remember, voicing it. And although there are some gems such as King Crimson, and I'm a particular fan of The Nice, a lot of Prog was bollocks. Jon _____________________________________________ Jon Hall jon@... www.spankrecords.com **************************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by phone, fax or e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: peel@yahoogroups.com [mailto:peel@yahoogroups.com] Sent: 23 January 2004 09:53 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [peel] Digest Number 715 There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Prog doc on BBC 4 From: "diamondgeeezer" 2. RE: Prog doc on BBC 4 From: "McKINNON Dougal" 3. Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 From: "dirkhuppertz2003" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:24:58 -0000 From: "diamondgeeezer" Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle class grammar boys' problem with that Peely? Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have any influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over played is that. One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0000 From: "McKINNON Dougal" Subject: RE: Prog doc on BBC 4 > Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting > arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like > it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. Nice work if you can get it. Being paid money to complain about things - why do I never get jobs like that? On a more serious note - if you object to Peel doing the voice-over why not write to whoever gave him the job in the first place? And I don't know the programme you're referring to - did Peel actually write the commentary or is he mouthing someone else's words? Incidentally, he played something by and was very complimentary to Pink Floyd this week. Maybe, just maybe, the criticisms of whatever prog rock bands you feel so precious about were justified..... > The Festive 50 how pretentious and over played is that It's probably as pretentious as any other end of year poll It's (over?) played once a year. dougal mckinnon Tel: 01782 294832 E-mail: d.mckinnon@... [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:30:28 -0000 From: "dirkhuppertz2003" Subject: Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "diamondgeeezer" wrote: > Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting > arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like > it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle class > grammar boys' problem with that Peely? > Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in > with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have any > influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over > played is that. > One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it > certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. .... and how do you think, Mr. Clever, has the 'modern music' you refer to managed to develop until nowadays? Do you think it has been invented out of the blue in last year's summer? Or might it possibly be the case that there were influences of one sort or another by 'boring indie bands' in the 80's (and mind you: OF COURSE those people are older now (and so are their fans), regarding the fact that they started some 25 years ago)?? And if weren't for Mr. Peel you can be willing to have a bet that your modern music heroes would not be aware of those influences now. At least not in the format that Peel opened up for them with his continuing work and interest. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From martinwheatley@... Fri Jan 23 12:57:27 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:57:27 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040123115213.00c504d8@...> At 09:30 23/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: >--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "diamondgeeezer" >wrote: >> Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting >> arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like >> it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle >class >> grammar boys' problem with that Peely? >> Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in >> with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have >any >> influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over >> played is that. >> One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it >> certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. > Funniest post I've read on this list in years. Peel would love it Just a small detail but prog rock preceded punk and indie so presumably most of it's fans are even older then the old indie fans you are complaining about martinw From garry_latham@... Fri Jan 23 19:40:56 2004 From: garry_latham@... (garry_latham) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:40:56 -0000 Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040123115213.00c504d8@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, Martin Wheatley wrote: > At 09:30 23/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "diamondgeeezer" > >wrote: > >> Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting > >> arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like > >> it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle > >class > >> grammar boys' problem with that Peely? > >> Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in > >> with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have > >any > >> influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over > >> played is that. > >> One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it > >> certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. > > > > Funniest post I've read on this list in years. Peel would love it > > Just a small detail but prog rock preceded punk and indie so presumably > most of it's fans are even older then the old indie fans you are complaining > about > > martinw Good point Martin. I would like to know which 'Prog' rock bands Peelie has critised, as he can't have a bad opinion about the genre as a whole. If my memory stands true he has played many of the bands up to today. From rockerq@... Fri Jan 23 21:20:44 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:20:44 EST Subject: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: <73.3a1b9e6b.2d42dc1c@...> diamondgeeezer@... writes: << Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like it but still earns money narrating documentarys about. 'middle class grammar boys' problem with that Peely? Why not stuck to your boring bands like The Fall and keep your in with your indie fans most of whom are too old themselves to have any influence on modern music.The Festive 50 how pretentious and over played is that. One other thing. is your contract with the BBC until you die? it certinaly seems that way.A great reason to abolish the fee. >> Yes, I can see how prog was such a major influence on "Modern Music" - Overblown, pompous, pretentious - and that's just the haircuts - Long twiddly guitar solos, dull triple concept albums, Tolkeinesque (YAWN) sci-fi gatefold sleeves - Cigarette lighters in the air - Thank god punk came along and threw up all over it! Rocker PS I think that's the first time Peel has ever been accused of ignorance regarding any genre of music! From rockerq@... Sat Jan 24 01:29:10 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:29:10 EST Subject: more Re: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: <> And I didn't even mention The sacred Drum Solo (Audience bored rigid while pretending to agree how fantastic the skilled tub thumper is. Musicians get half an hour backstage to do drugs or shag groupies or drink brown ale) or the traditional two hour wait for the self-important rock gods to deign to get onstage in the first place (cue cries of "Wally") Or the facial hair Or the songs written in three different time signatures as this is "breaking the barriers of what can be acheived in the rock idiom" (impossible to dance to or otherwise enjoy, obviously) Or the axe embedded in the Hammond Organ. Or the pretentious cod-Wagnerian lyrics delivered in shreiking falsetto, usually misogynist or proto-fascist utopian codswallop. So if you're a 15 year old Grammar School Darkness fan, don't worry, just go and watch "This Is Spinal Tap", there'll be another fad along in a couple of months. From stuart@... Sat Jan 24 12:07:05 2004 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:07:05 +0000 Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: <1074941129.247.43377.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1074941129.247.43377.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >Once again the great Radio One 'Rock' DJ airs his self promoting >arrogant and ignorant opinion of so called prog rock.He doesnt like >it It seems that our friend above is the only person that's seen this programme*, so it's hard to say if Peelie was being really scathing about prog. I find that unlikely; after all, his show is based on underground music, and right up until 1976 this was a large part of it. When punk arrived Peel championed it but since the show is about stuff that gets no airplay elsewhere, it was fortunate that Alan Freeman was giving the likes of ELP plenty of airplay. Tommy Vance's metal show which ate into the Peel schedule arrived just after this time and often crossed the line between 'rock' and 'prog'. I can't recall if Peel played much prog after 1976, it would have sat rather uncomfortably with the masses of punk records, and I suspect that he was as bored with it as the punks were - but played it because there was little else being produced. These days of course the show incorporates probably every genre of music imaginable and prog will turn up occasionally,usually in the form of an old Pink Floyd record. I should imagine* that whatever Peel said about prog, it was tongue-in-cheek, probably poking fun at the bands' haircuts or trousers. Regular listeners should know Peelie's sense of humour by now. Stuart -- From markbursa@... Sat Jan 24 12:56:43 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 06:56:43 EST Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: > >>I should imagine* that whatever Peel said about prog, it was > tongue-in-cheek, probably poking fun at the bands' haircuts or > trousers. Regular listeners should know Peelie's sense of humour by > now.<< I saw the programme, and Peel basically said that on the arrival of punk, he realised prog was a blind alley. Those were not his exact words - I've the show on tape and could transcribe the quote. He's right of course. Prog was in most cases pompous, overblown rubbish. Soulless, passionless mush, driven by flashy musicianship with classical pretentions. Mark From moomin@... Sat Jan 24 16:19:10 2004 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:19:10 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1074941129.247.43377.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <4m$DkTBuzoEAFw+D@...> In message , Stuart McHugh writes >It seems that our friend above is the only person that's seen this >programme*, so it's hard to say if Peelie was being really scathing >about prog. I find that unlikely; after all, his show is based on >underground music, and right up until 1976 this was a large part of it. >When punk arrived Peel championed it but since the show is about stuff >that gets no airplay elsewhere, it was fortunate that Alan Freeman was >giving the likes of ELP plenty of airplay. Peel *loathed* ELP from the start! He's always very happy to pronounce on them. On the programme he was utterly scathing about them and their audience (he was at their first gig - or so he says - I don't entirely trust the old man's memory nowadays). I also remembering him saying that he was reduced to tears by a Nice gig when they played some rocked-up classical number. He had a couple of sessions from Genesis, I think, not sure about Yes, but I don't think he played them. He always supported the Floyd. At that time his selection of tracks was less personal and was partly determined by the producer. Even in '79 he was playing *the whole* of Bob Dylan Live at Budokan, in separate sections over several programmes. -- simon smith From rockerq@... Sat Jan 24 18:45:21 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:45:21 EST Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: <14.21096538.2d440931@...> moomin@... writes: << he was reduced to tears by a Nice gig when they played some rocked-up classical number. >> Would that be "Lick my love pump, baby"? Rocker From john.bravin@... Sat Jan 24 20:35:13 2004 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:35:13 +0100 Subject: Peel on Prog rock References: <1074941129.247.43377.m12@yahoogroups.com> <4m$DkTBuzoEAFw+D@...> Message-ID: <002c01c3e2b1$31097ce0$0100a8c0@...> I saw Peel introduce the Nice at the Bath Festival in 1969 and at that time they were tolerable, and in places exciting. And so were a few other bands that were later to take the Spinal Tap route to commercial success and musical tedium (notably Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac). Take a look at the size of the stage (only two crash barriers wide) http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/ebony/546/Nice-69-bath.html . and you can see why there was no space for orchestras or other Prog frippery. It all went down hill very quickly: a year later at the 1970 Bath Festival the Pink Floyd had the Phillip Jones Brass Ensemble and the John Aldis Choir on stage (although I must say they were actually really good). There were actually very few successful bands that Peel has never really taken to, ELP being one of them. My theory is that for all his professed attempts to move beyond white boys playing guitars, he doesn't like keyboard players. And behind almost every monstrous Prog band of the 70's there was a keyboard player who thought he was Rachmaninov. And the two great keyboard players he continued to play, Ian Stewart (Stones) and Ian McClagen (Faces) were content to play Boogie Woogie. ----- Original Message ----- From: simon smith To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 Peel *loathed* ELP from the start! He's always very happy to pronounce on them. On the programme he was utterly scathing about them and their audience (he was at their first gig - or so he says - I don't entirely trust the old man's memory nowadays). I also remembering him saying that he was reduced to tears by a Nice gig when they played some rocked-up classical number. He had a couple of sessions from Genesis, I think, not sure about Yes, but I don't think he played them. He always supported the Floyd. From diamondgeeezer@... Sun Jan 25 01:49:32 2004 From: diamondgeeezer@... (diamondgeeezer) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:49:32 -0000 Subject: more Re: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thats your opinion.But my problem with peel is when he crops up on every oppurtunity to give his anti ELP opinion.if he hates them so much then do one and go off and listen to 'Teenage Kicks- greatest song of all time ha ha ' as for you mate where are the great Punk Legends now. I give you Mr J Rotten - i'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here- Thats funnier than Spinal Tap !! Punk is long dead. prog has continued because it has embraced the new technology that it originally created. thicko punks couldnt have done that --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, rockerq@a... wrote: > <> > > And I didn't even mention The sacred Drum Solo (Audience bored rigid while > pretending to agree how fantastic the skilled tub thumper is. Musicians get half > an hour backstage to do drugs or shag groupies or drink brown ale) > > or the traditional two hour wait for the self-important rock gods to deign to > get onstage in the first place (cue cries of "Wally") > > Or the facial hair > > Or the songs written in three different time signatures as this is "breaking > the barriers of what can be acheived in the rock idiom" (impossible to dance > to or otherwise enjoy, obviously) > > Or the axe embedded in the Hammond Organ. > > Or the pretentious cod-Wagnerian lyrics delivered in shreiking falsetto, > usually misogynist or proto-fascist utopian codswallop. > > So if you're a 15 year old Grammar School Darkness fan, don't worry, just go > and watch "This Is Spinal Tap", there'll be another fad along in a couple of > months. From markbursa@... Sun Jan 25 01:58:21 2004 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:58:21 EST Subject: more Re: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: <17d.25c239da.2d446ead@...> > Punk is long dead. prog has continued because it has embraced the new > technology that it originally created. thicko punks couldnt have done > that > Frankly, "diamondgeezer", your ignorance is spectacular. Your screen name says it all. I'd give you a list of 20 post-punk bands championed by peel whose members continue to produce innovative music, but it would be a waste of time. Enjoy your copy of Tarkus. Mark From diamondgeeezer@... Sun Jan 25 11:45:14 2004 From: diamondgeeezer@... (diamondgeeezer) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:45:14 -0000 Subject: more Re: [peel] Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: <17d.25c239da.2d446ead@...> Message-ID: Wheres the list? --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, markbursa@a... wrote: > > > Punk is long dead. prog has continued because it has embraced the new > > technology that it originally created. thicko punks couldnt have done > > that > > > > Frankly, "diamondgeezer", your ignorance is spectacular. Your screen name > says it all. I'd give you a list of 20 post-punk bands championed by peel whose > members continue to produce innovative music, but it would be a waste of time. > Enjoy your copy of Tarkus. > > Mark From stuart@... Sun Jan 25 12:42:18 2004 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:42:18 +0000 Subject: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: <1075029389.242.85760.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1075029389.242.85760.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > > Frankly, "diamondgeezer", your ignorance is spectacular. Your >screen name >> says it all. I'd give you a list of 20 post-punk bands championed >by peel whose >> members continue to produce innovative music, but it would be a >waste of time. > > Enjoy your copy of Tarkus. it appears that Peel was mainly having a go at the likes of ELP, and I know that he continued to support bands into the punk years who evolved (Van der Graff / Hammill, for example). If we get away from ELP - who probably defined the term 'prog' - and look more at the stuff that was lumped in with prog, then you see that the likes of Pink Floyd et al probably aren't classed by Peel as prog at all, probably 'psychedelic' or something (therefore they're not down a 'blind alley' and therefore it's still ok to play them!) And the Floyd's influence is still to be head in many bands - Spiritualised for me the most biggest/obvious example. ELP is less to be heard, but there are plenty of bands who get classed as 'prog'-influenced (often rechristened as 'math-rock') - Tortoise & Trans Am come to mind but there's as much free jazz in there as anything else. For a true post-punk/prog (with classical overtones) band I'd recommend Lapsus Linguae (www.lapsuslinguae.co.uk) S -- From martinwheatley@... Sun Jan 25 22:39:07 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:39:07 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1075029389.242.85760.m12@yahoogroups.com> <1075029389.242.85760.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040125180327.00c4dff8@...> >If we get away from ELP - who probably defined the term 'prog' - and >look more at the stuff that was lumped in with prog, then you see >that the likes of Pink Floyd et al probably aren't classed by Peel as >prog at all, probably 'psychedelic' I'm sure Pink Floyd are classified as prog by Peel but as he does with many bands (and I do too) he likes some periods of the band's career and not others. So Peel doesn't like ELP. Big deal Every DJ in whatever area has bands they don't like including ones in their own musical area ELP are a bad example for you to take because they didn't start like most bands. They were what was known in those days as a 'supergroup' - a group formed by magicians from other major bands. They didn't do sessions for Peel but then they didn't do sessions for anyone - they started as a major stadium band. All 3 musicians had their records played and done sessions with their previous bands but ELP was already beyond that and it's no surprise Peel paid no attention to them Peel in those days stood in the relationship to prog bands as he does now to indie bands. He played their early records, gave them sessions and exposure and encouragement but when they became successful and hit the mainstream and daytime radio he moved on to the next new band In those days there were no indie labels (that came with punk in the late 70s) but prog rock was the cutting edge of popular music for awhile and it ceased to be the cutting edge Peel moved to the new thing as he has always done That is what he sees as his function and it's what the BBC and the record industry see as his function too. One of the implications of that is that Peel will not necessarily like the things today he did 3 years ago let alone 30 years ago. I know I don't The point about the current wave of heavy metal/prog bands is that they aren't at the cutting edge of anything - they stale retreads of old message every bit as much as the worst of Britpop was (which Peel did his best stay clear of too) I think Peel at the moment plays too many American new blues bands but I know that I should stay with him because he'll move to something else more interesting in a few months. Unfortunately I can't say the same thing for Zane Lowe or even sadly Steve Lamacq - both of whom I no longer listen to exact to grab the occasional promising session (whose timing I know pretty much exactly now so I don't have to listen to the rest of the prog!) Just for the record the Radio 1 had one other DJ during the prog years who is still on Radio 1 and used to play prog but now doesn't! martinw From rockerq@... Mon Jan 26 00:25:40 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:25:40 EST Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: << Radio 1 had one other DJ during the prog years who is still on Radio 1 and used to play prog but now doesn't! >> Do you mean former rock-chick Annie? - her late Saturday night show is about the only place on the BBC where you can hear new breakbeat stuff - she's certainly moved with the times, and like Peel it's because she obviously loves the music. OK (like Peel) she can't mix, but there's usually something interesting in every show, and often it's a guest mix by someone you've never heard of before, or one by someone good you have! I'd recommend her show to anyone looking for cutting edge dance music a bit harder than Tong. Rocker From rockerq@... Mon Jan 26 00:25:58 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:25:58 EST Subject: [peel] Re: Prog doc on BBC 4 Message-ID: <38.4163995f.2d45aa86@...> << Radio 1 had one other DJ during the prog years who is still on Radio 1 and used to play prog but now doesn't! >> Do you mean former rock-chick Annie? - her late Saturday night show is about the only place on the BBC where you can hear new breakbeat stuff - she's certainly moved with the times, and like Peel it's because she obviously loves the music. OK (like Peel) she can't mix, but there's usually something interesting in every show, and often it's a guest mix by someone you've never heard of before, or one by someone good you have! I'd recommend her show to anyone looking for cutting edge dance music a bit harder than Tong. Rocker From martinwheatley@... Mon Jan 26 01:20:27 2004 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:20:27 +0000 Subject: Wild Billy Childish Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040126001836.00c45130@...> Those interested in Thee Mr Childish might like to know that WFMU have just done a 3 hour special http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/10205 for details From nburling@... Fri Jan 30 13:31:51 2004 From: nburling@... (palacese25) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:31:51 -0000 Subject: Wednesday 28th Jan show Message-ID: hi, if anyone has a recording of this show that i could borrow, that would be fantatic. We had a power cut and i missed it. thanks. Neil From tomb242@... Fri Jan 30 15:57:01 2004 From: tomb242@... (Tom bartlett) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:57:01 +0000 Subject: [peel] Wednesday 28th Jan show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401A70BD.8010107@...> I am sure you can listen to it via the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ palacese25 wrote: >hi, >if anyone has a recording of this show that i could borrow, that >would be fantatic. We had a power cut and i missed it. > >thanks. > >Neil > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peel/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From troche@... Sat Jan 31 01:44:35 2004 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:44:35 -0500 Subject: Wednesday 28th Jan show In-Reply-To: <1075493822.248.1332.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1075493822.248.1332.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: For those just tuning in to the Peel list, the "back door" entry to the archived Peel shows (bypassing the BBC real Player for a regular Real Player) is via the following addresses: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/peel_tue.ra rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/peel_wed.ra rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio1/peel_thu.ra tom r From rockerq@... Sat Jan 31 12:47:27 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:47:27 EST Subject: BBC Ad Message-ID: <48.274a7f85.2d4cefcf@...> Nice to see John Peel's name amongst hundreds on the fullpage ad taken out by BBC employees in yesterday's Daily Telegraph deploring the (enforced?) resignation of Greg Dyke in the wake of the Hutton whitewash. From robstrong@... Sat Jan 31 13:14:41 2004 From: robstrong@... (Rob Strong) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:14:41 -0000 Subject: [peel] BBC Ad References: <48.274a7f85.2d4cefcf@...> Message-ID: <000f01c3e7f3$d0a43f00$b7d130d5@rob> From: > Nice to see John Peel's name amongst hundreds on the fullpage ad taken out by > BBC employees in yesterday's Daily Telegraph deploring the (enforced?) > resignation of Greg Dyke in the wake of the Hutton whitewash. Indeed so, but BBC TV and radio news coverage is tedious to say the least at present. I'm sure the media isn't supposed to spend so much time talking about itself? Rob From christone@... Sat Jan 31 17:44:42 2004 From: christone@... (christone@...) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:44:42 GMT Subject: Electrelane go soft Message-ID: <1086c0fc.ae1b3fc.81f3300@...> - re. their Peel session Thurs evening From rockerq@... Sat Jan 31 18:53:51 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:53:51 EST Subject: [peel] Electrelane go soft Message-ID: Were they not always soft? I seem to remember them always having a Stereolab / Low / Flying Saucer Attack sort of vibe. Rocker From simon@... Sat Jan 31 19:53:35 2004 From: simon@... (simon b) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:53:35 +0000 Subject: the BBC ad In-Reply-To: <1075564994.194.74321.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > > Indeed so, but BBC TV and radio news coverage is tedious to say the > least at > present. I'm sure the media isn't supposed to spend so much time > talking > about itself? > > that's what happens when it's freedom is under threat, though, isn't it? From rockerq@... Sat Jan 31 20:06:13 2004 From: rockerq@... (rockerq@...) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:06:13 EST Subject: [peel] Electrelane go soft Message-ID: << I seem to remember them always having a Stereolab / Low / Flying Saucer Attack sort of vibe. >> Or were you being ironic? (You know how us Brits cannot understand irony) And who is this secret surprise gig on Tuesday's show? (At least we know its not a Sex Pistols gig) Rocker