From leohilarious@... Sat Nov 1 01:02:49 2003 From: leohilarious@... (Leo Hilarious) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:02:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Housemartins Peel sessions In-Reply-To: <1062239994.281.19124.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20031101000249.36980.qmail@...> Just in case anyone new had joined the list in recent months - thought I'd put out the net again! ; ) I'm trying to locate some decent copies of a few sessions Peelie did with a group called the Housemartins in the mid-80s era. The dates were: 21/7/85 6/4/86 16/6/86 4/11/87 I'm especially after the last two sessions if it matters. Any help finding these would be most appreciated! ~Leo --- peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Programmes on minidisc > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > 2. programmes on minidisc > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > 3. RE: programmes on minidisc > From: "Davie Ramsay" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:38:10 +0200 > From: Marcelle van Hoof > Subject: Programmes on minidisc > > Hello everyone, > > I'm an avid Peel-listener from Holland. > Unfortunately BBC1 will be removed from the > Amsterdam cable-system next week. I'd like to ask if > anyone can send me the (complete) Peel-programmes on > minidisc and that I'll send them back after I've > copied them. Also I've got hundreds of live-tapes > (from 'Peel-bands' from 1977 till now) from > concerts/sessions in Holalnd in return/exchange. > I hope that anyone can help me, as I will really > gona miss his (attempts at) playing adventurous > records (in the right speed) and Grandmaster Gareth! > > hope to hear from you,. > > Marcelle van Hoof > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:39:31 +0200 > From: Marcelle van Hoof > Subject: programmes on minidisc > > Dear all, before everyone says: you can listen to > them on the internet: I can't (I am a bit of a > clumsy woman with computers...) > > Marcelle van Hoof > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:27:55 +0100 > From: "Davie Ramsay" > Subject: RE: programmes on minidisc > > If you go to HYPERLINK > "http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio1_aod.shtml?peel_tue"http://www.bbc > .co.uk/radio/aod/radio1_aod.shtml?peel_tue > You can listen to the Peel progs on line for up to a > week after they are > broadcast. You will need real player to listen. This > can be downloaded > free at HYPERLINK > "http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk"http://www.real.com/freeplaye > r/?rppr=rnwk > > Cheers and good luck. > > Davie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcelle van Hoof [mailto:mar.celle@...] > > Sent: 29 August 2003 15:40 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] programmes on minidisc > > Dear all, before everyone says: you can listen to > them on the internet: > I can't (I am a bit of a clumsy woman with > computers...) > > Marcelle van Hoof > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > HYPERLINK > "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=259538.3793308.5048975.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 > 022409:HM/A=1712983/R=0/SIG=11u38u3s2/*http:/hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/hit > ?page=1374-105951838331032"click here > > HYPERLINK > "http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259538.3793308.5048975.1261774/D=egrou > pmail/S=:HM/A=1712983/rand=703030568" > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > HYPERLINK > "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > Date: 19/08/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > Date: 19/08/2003 > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ From robfleay@... Sat Nov 1 12:59:23 2003 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:59:23 -0000 Subject: [peel] Housemartins Peel sessions In-Reply-To: <20031101000249.36980.qmail@...> References: <1062239994.281.19124.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3FA3A01B.23361.883CF@localhost> I've got the last session on tape (the one that included the unreleased "Sunday Isn't Sunday Anymore") what format do you want? mp3? > Just in case anyone new had joined the list in recent > months - thought I'd put out the net again! ; ) > > I'm trying to locate some decent copies of a few > sessions Peelie did with a group called the > Housemartins in the mid-80s era. The dates were: > > 21/7/85 > 6/4/86 > 16/6/86 > 4/11/87 > > I'm especially after the last two sessions if it > matters. Any help finding these would be most > appreciated! > > ~Leo > > > --- peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Programmes on minidisc > > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > > > 2. programmes on minidisc > > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > > > 3. RE: programmes on minidisc > > From: "Davie Ramsay" > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 > 16:38:10 +0200 > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > Subject: Programmes on minidisc > > > Hello everyone, > > I'm an avid Peel-listener from Holland. > > Unfortunately BBC1 will be removed from the > Amsterdam > cable-system next week. I'd like to ask if > anyone can send > me the (complete) Peel-programmes on > minidisc and that > I'll send them back after I've > copied them. Also I've got > hundreds of live-tapes > (from 'Peel-bands' from 1977 till > now) from > concerts/sessions in Holalnd in return/exchange. > > I hope that anyone can help me, as I will really > gona > miss his (attempts at) playing adventurous > records (in the > right speed) and Grandmaster Gareth! > > hope to hear from > you,. > > Marcelle van Hoof > > > [This message contained > attachments] > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 > 16:39:31 +0200 > From: Marcelle van Hoof > > Subject: programmes on minidisc > > > Dear all, before everyone says: you can listen to > them on > the internet: I can't (I am a bit of a > clumsy woman with > computers...) > > Marcelle van Hoof > > > [This message > contained attachments] > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 > 17:27:55 +0100 > From: "Davie Ramsay" > > Subject: RE: programmes on minidisc > > If you go to > HYPERLINK > > "http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio1_aod.shtml?peel_tue"ht > tp://www.bbc > .co.uk/radio/aod/radio1_aod.shtml?peel_tue > > You can listen to the Peel progs on line for up to a > week > after they are > broadcast. You will need real player to > listen. This > can be downloaded > free at HYPERLINK > > "http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk"http://www.real.c > om/freeplaye > r/?rppr=rnwk > > Cheers and good luck. > > > Davie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcelle van > Hoof [mailto:mar.celle@...] > > Sent: 29 August 2003 > 15:40 > To: peel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [peel] > programmes on minidisc > > Dear all, before everyone says: > you can listen to > them on the internet: > I can't (I am a > bit of a clumsy woman with > computers...) > > Marcelle van > Hoof > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > HYPERLINK > > "http://rd.yahoo.com/M=259538.3793308.5048975.1261774/D=egro > upweb/S=1705 > > 022409:HM/A=1712983/R=0/SIG=11u38u3s2/*http:/hits.411web.com > /cgi-bin/hit > ?page=1374-105951838331032"click here > > > HYPERLINK > > "http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259538.3793308.5048975.126 > 1774/D=egrou > pmail/S=:HM/A=1712983/rand=703030568" > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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(Giovanni Gandolfi) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:55:23 +0100 Subject: pathetic request Message-ID: <018501c3a3ac$d90e47c0$5b527450@default> hi, i was checking the tracklistings last wednesday on the radio one website and there was one dated 23/10 which had pico in session. when i clicked to listen to the show a different one was playing. now i can't even seem to find that tracklist or even when the pico session has been broadcasted. i have been a faithfull peel listener until the bbc disappeared from analog satellite and, having a radio show myself, i consider him my guru. during that show he apparently played a lali puna song (i think after the last pico session track) which came out on my label unhip records. this is why i'm begging anyone who has that show to send me an audio file (or a tape or whatever) with the part of the show where he played and commented the lali puna song. even a simple transcription of what he said about it would make me really happy. i know i'm pathetic but this list is my last resort... ciao giovanni/unhip records www.unhiprecords.com From cklee@... Thu Nov 6 15:12:01 2003 From: cklee@... (ckitlee) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:12:01 -0000 Subject: pathetic request In-Reply-To: <018501c3a3ac$d90e47c0$5b527450@default> Message-ID: Hi Giovanni, I am sending you a 10 min strip which extends from the Pico song preceeding the Lali Puna tune right up to Peel's remark after the Luli Puna record, so you can indulge in the Old Man's remark of the tune. I hope I will not overflow your mailbox as it is 3 - 4 MB long encoded in 48K mp3. From your description it probably is good enough but if you do insist in a hi-fi version please do ask again - I'll see how to work around it. C K Hong Kong --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "Giovanni Gandolfi" wrote: > hi, > > i was checking the tracklistings last wednesday on the radio one website and > there was one dated 23/10 which had pico in session. when i clicked to > listen to the show a different one was playing. now i can't even seem to > find that tracklist or even when the pico session has been broadcasted. i > have been a faithfull peel listener until the bbc disappeared from analog > satellite and, having a radio show myself, i consider him my guru. during > that show he apparently played a lali puna song (i think after the last pico > session track) which came out on my label unhip records. this is why i'm > begging anyone who has that show to send me an audio file (or a tape or > whatever) with the part of the show where he played and commented the lali > puna song. even a simple transcription of what he said about it would make > me really happy. i know i'm pathetic but this list is my last resort... > ciao > > giovanni/unhip records > www.unhiprecords.com From troche@... Sat Nov 8 21:17:00 2003 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:17:00 -0500 Subject: MBA and MB In-Reply-To: <1068228366.111.86208.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1068228366.111.86208.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: On the subject of further pathetic requests... It would be so nice for those of us "stateside," i.e. Yankees, if Miss Black America has or had a US label. I am enough of a musical bottom feeder that I cannot bring myself to pay import prices for anything. Not being filthy rich is another factor. So if anyone sees their full length CD at a good discount and/or 2nd hand or get it for me OK and I'll pay you back. Same for Half Man Half Biscuit stuff - no US label for them ever and rare to see their stuff ever at even the trés chic indie shops. I may have mentioned that I am a video & film editor here in Atlanta, but I may not have mentioned I got into a handshake deal to do a live concert video for Melt Banana. So I set up an all-volunteer 7-camera video shoot when they were here this summer and I am in the thick of editing it right now. A lot of work, a zillion edits - befitting their musical approach of course. It is turning out a lot better than I expected as it was such a chaotic event w/ some of my cameramen down in the mosh pit holding on for dear life. But the frantic camera shots work well with judicious editing in the context of te musical madness going on. Pretty intense stuff all in all. Next step is to try to super up some of the lyrics as they fly by. Just who will own it or how it will be distributed is way down the road. More updates later. I mention this because the songs the songs in their live Peel set last week were played even faster than they were played here, something i didnt think was possible. And when one is in an edit suite sorting out this stuff note by note is endlessly revealing and amazing. tom From dianef84@... Sat Nov 15 11:42:43 2003 From: dianef84@... (diane farley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:42:43 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers Message-ID: Hi there... Just to say, one of my highlights of the year was the Immortal Lee County Killers @ Maida Vale... as I'm putting my pen to paper for Festive 50 I want to include it in my list but wanted to know if anyone else was going to vote .. what track we should opt for .. as if everyone votes for different tracks, what should be one of the highlights of the year won't make the final list... split voting and all that... D x _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From janb@... Sat Nov 15 13:04:28 2003 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:04:28 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers References: Message-ID: <001701c3ab70$a1043440$e74dfea9@jan> On Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:42 AM [GMT+1=CET], diane farley wrote: > Hi there... > > Just to say, one of my highlights of the year was the Immortal Lee > County Killers @ Maida Vale... as I'm putting my pen to paper for > Festive 50 I want to include it in my list but wanted to know if > anyone else was going to vote .. what track we should opt for .. as > if everyone votes for different tracks, what should be one of the > highlights of the year won't make the final list... split voting and > all that... ooh, let's see...probably, 1 Anne and Bill - The French 2 Canada Water - The French 3 Punk Rock's Going To Die - The French :-) -- Jan From martinwheatley@... Sat Nov 15 14:57:51 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:57:51 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031115134857.00c49f08@...> At 10:42 15/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi there... > >Just to say, one of my highlights of the year was the Immortal Lee County >Killers @ Maida Vale... as I'm putting my pen to paper for Festive 50 I >want to include it in my list but wanted to know if anyone else was going to >vote .. what track we should opt for .. as if everyone votes for different >tracks, what should be one of the highlights of the year won't make the >final list... split voting and all that... > I realise this is hopelessly naive and impractical but how about we just for once have an HONEST Festive 50 with everyone voting for the tracks that they like best instead attempting to assemble squads of people to vote for the same tracks If the vote is split between different tracks by the same artist then that proves no one track is popular enough and they don't deserve to win. That's the way it should be. One more rigged vote and there won't be another Festive 50 - I am sure of that martinw From sete.colinas@... Sat Nov 15 15:02:38 2003 From: sete.colinas@... (Leo Gilbert) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:02:38 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031115134857.00c49f08@...> Message-ID: <5F29DF32-1774-11D8-9400-000A956B4CF8@...> Hear, hear Leo Gilbert PS I'm voting for ... (only joking) On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 01:57 pm, Martin Wheatley wrote: > I realise this is hopelessly naive and impractical but how about we > just > for once > have an HONEST Festive 50 with everyone voting for the tracks that they > like best > instead attempting to assemble squads of people to vote for the same > tracks > If the vote is split between different tracks by the same artist then > that > proves no > one track is popular enough and they don't deserve to win.  That's the > way it > should be. > > One more rigged vote and there won't be another Festive 50 - I am sure > of that > > martinw > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 702 bytes Desc: not available URL: From robfleay@... Sat Nov 15 15:17:43 2003 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:17:43 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: <5F29DF32-1774-11D8-9400-000A956B4CF8@...> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031115134857.00c49f08@...> Message-ID: <3FB63587.7038.AB8211@localhost> > > One more rigged vote and there won't be another Festive 50 > > - I am sure of that Contentious! Are you saying that there have been rigged votes in the past? :-) ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.artistsagainstsuccess.com ========================================= From dianef84@... Sat Nov 15 23:47:53 2003 From: dianef84@... (diane farley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:47:53 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers Message-ID: I don't think people understood what I was asking. I thought that the Immortal Lee County Killers live at Maida Vale was one of the highlights of the year and rather than everybody voting for different tracks it would be good if we were all in sync about what one track to vote for from THAT SESSION ... I can't even remember what date it was on ... which would be helpful.. I wasn't trying to encourage general vote rigging or ask for peoples any other choices than what ILCK tracks.. D >From: Leo Gilbert >Reply-To: peel@yahoogroups.com >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:02:38 +0000 > >Hear, hear > >Leo Gilbert > >PS I'm voting for ... (only joking) > >On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 01:57 pm, Martin Wheatley wrote: > >>I realise this is hopelessly naive and impractical but how about we just >>for once >>have an HONEST Festive 50 with everyone voting for the tracks that they >>like best >>instead attempting to assemble squads of people to vote for the same >>tracks >>If the vote is split between different tracks by the same artist then that >>proves no >>one track is popular enough and they don't deserve to win.� That's the way >>it >>should be. >> >>One more rigged vote and there won't be another Festive 50 - I am sure of >>that >> >>martinw >> _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From martinwheatley@... Sun Nov 16 01:22:32 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:22:32 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031116000206.00ce8278@...> At 22:47 15/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I don't think people understood what I was asking. >I thought that the Immortal Lee County Killers live at Maida Vale was one of >the highlights of the year and rather than everybody voting for different >tracks it would be good if we were all in sync about what one track to vote >for from THAT SESSION ... No - I don't think it would be good. What would be good would be if people voted for the tracks they personally prefer regardless of what anyone else does That is the spirit of the Festive 50 and what happened in its earlier years This produces a result that has some value unlike in sync voting which does not. If there are 5 people on this list who want to vote for different ILCK live tracks that's how it should be - if they then all voted for the same track regardless of their personal favourite that would be a false result. It may be only a small effect when compared with some of the fan club voting that has gone on but it's not different in principle. So what I say is let's this year all vote for what we personally prefer without consultation with each other Like I said it's probably naive to expect people to do this but I would like to think that Peel listeners are independent minded enough. I'm probably wrong ! From gpwebster@... Sun Nov 16 11:19:04 2003 From: gpwebster@... (hammieweb) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:19:04 -0000 Subject: down with vote-rigging!!!! Message-ID: I agree, the only festive 50 worth listening to is one where people vote just once for the 3 tracks they like best regardless of what other people think. Far be from me to tell JP what to do in his prog but I've always thought he should just determine the top 50 tracks voted for and then play them in alphabetical order instead of a countdown, it is after all just a small reflection of the kind of music that peel listeners like over the previous year. Also, like JP, I think there is'nt enough variety in the 50. Too many white-boys strumming guitars, what do you think? Anyway it always enjoyable, lets hope it is again. From janb@... Sun Nov 16 12:30:32 2003 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:30:32 -0000 Subject: [peel] down with vote-rigging!!!! References: Message-ID: <002901c3ac35$74c1adc0$e74dfea9@jan> On Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:19 AM [GMT+1=CET], hammieweb wrote: > music that peel listeners like over the previous year. Also, like JP, > I think there is'nt enough variety in the 50. Too many white-boys > strumming guitars, what do you think? Well that's because white boys strumming guitars are generally better than anything else... -- Jan From johnpeeljohnpeel@... Sun Nov 16 18:50:30 2003 From: johnpeeljohnpeel@... (misterbenn_1975) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:50:30 -0000 Subject: does anyone have copy of... Message-ID: the Peel show with Nina Nastasia playing in Brighton (Wednesday 29th October I believe)? I can offer in exchange pretty much any show since mid-2001. Thank you! Ben From festive50@... Sun Nov 16 22:31:40 2003 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:31:40 -0000 Subject: [peel] down with vote-rigging!!!! In-Reply-To: <002901c3ac35$74c1adc0$e74dfea9@jan> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Jan Buxton [mailto:janb@...] Sent: 16 November 2003 11:31 To: peel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [peel] down with vote-rigging!!!! On Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:19 AM [GMT+1=CET], hammieweb wrote: > music that peel listeners like over the previous year. Also, like JP, > I think there is'nt enough variety in the 50. Too many white-boys > strumming guitars, what do you think? Well that's because white boys strumming guitars are generally better than anything else... -- Jan Well, you might be better off listening to another program. Where they ONLY play "white boys strumming guitars". Phil From moomin@... Sun Nov 16 23:45:24 2003 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:45:24 +0000 Subject: [peel] down with vote-rigging!!!! In-Reply-To: <002901c3ac35$74c1adc0$e74dfea9@jan> References: <002901c3ac35$74c1adc0$e74dfea9@jan> Message-ID: In message <002901c3ac35$74c1adc0$e74dfea9@jan>, Jan Buxton writes >On Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:19 AM [GMT+1=CET], hammieweb > wrote: >> music that peel listeners like over the previous year. Also, like JP, >> I think there is'nt enough variety in the 50. Too many white-boys >> strumming guitars, what do you think? > >Well that's because white boys strumming guitars are generally better >than anything else... What colour are Melt Banana? Do they strum? Are they boys? I rest my headcase. Also hello I'm new here and I missed the Melt Banana live in Brighton and if you have it I might have something you want including money if I'm allowed to say that. I'm desperate as you can probably tell. Sorry if this is wrong. -- simon smith From dianef84@... Tue Nov 18 10:10:40 2003 From: dianef84@... (diane farley) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:10:40 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers Message-ID: Now.. you see... put like this in answer to my original question .. I can see your point... perhaps I was wrong... it's just that events like Immortal Lee County Killers at Maida Vale is a one off that only really happens on John's show and what makes it so special... and this comes back to the other point, that if the final summary is just a collection of 'white boys playing guitars' - NOTE: This also reminds me of the NME new bands to watch feature a few weeks ago: 10 bands 50 white boys in a big spread.. and not ONE girl.. sorry, back to my point.. I am sure that a lot of people's knowledge of Peel's show is just a yearly glance at the Festive 50.. .. god, now I'm realising that ILCK are white boys with guitars... sorry.. I've come back to the independent minded .. Because it was my highlight of the year I might just vote for three songs from that session... Independent mindiness rules... D x >From: Martin Wheatley >Reply-To: peel@yahoogroups.com >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:22:32 +0000 > >At 22:47 15/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >I don't think people understood what I was asking. > >I thought that the Immortal Lee County Killers live at Maida Vale was >one of > >the highlights of the year and rather than everybody voting for >different > >tracks it would be good if we were all in sync about what one track to >vote > >for from THAT SESSION ... > >No - I don't think it would be good. What would be good would be if people >voted for the tracks they personally prefer regardless of what anyone else >does >That is the spirit of the Festive 50 and what happened in its earlier years >This produces a result that has some value unlike in sync voting which does >not. >If there are 5 people on this list who want to vote for different ILCK live >tracks >that's how it should be - if they then all voted for the same track >regardless >of their personal favourite that would be a false result. It may be only >a small effect >when compared with some of the fan club voting that has gone on but it's >not >different in principle. So what I say is let's this year all vote for >what we personally >prefer without consultation with each other >Like I said it's probably naive to expect people to do this but I would >like to think >that Peel listeners are independent minded enough. I'm probably wrong ! > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband From adyfoley@... Tue Nov 18 10:47:02 2003 From: adyfoley@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ady=20foley?=) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:47:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031118094702.31010.qmail@...> yeah, but who takes notice of what the nme says these days anyway... other than the big fat corporates that feed them crap bands to plug all the time. these days i even feel guilty picking it up in the newsagents to have a quick read, and it's a very quick read these days... but back to the point, voting should be fair so just vote for who you want. otherwise it'd just be like belle & sebastian winning a brit award... ;-) ady --- diane farley wrote: > ...........and this comes back to the other > point, that if the final summary is just a collection of 'white boys > playing > guitars' - NOTE: This also reminds me of the NME new bands to watch > feature > a few weeks ago: 10 bands 50 white boys in a big spread.. and not ONE > girl.. > sorry, back to my point.. ===== in association with rough trade, vacuous pop presents... youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the edmund fitzgerald, ship's a going down, the evenings & xahdrez RoTa @ notting hill arts club, 21 notting hill gate, london w11 saturday 29 november / 4pm - 8pm / free entry cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / youthmoviesoundtrackstrategies / the edmund fitzgerald http://www.vacuouspop.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From martinwheatley@... Tue Nov 18 11:15:41 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:15:41 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 - Immortal Lee County Killers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031118094434.00c48db8@...> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.j.steel@... Tue Nov 18 11:33:09 2003 From: g.j.steel@... (graham steel) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:33:09 -0000 Subject: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. Message-ID: My 2 (Euro) cents on this: Many of us on the list probably have a large proportion of WBWG music in our record collections. However the great thing about listening to JP is the *variety* of stuff you hear - that's why you listen for the whole two hours, and why I could never listen to some indie guitar music show. The problem with many festive fifties is not that I object to any *particular* WBWG band being in there, they're often quite good songs, just that I object to hearing 40+ WBWG songs - in fact, I'm desperate for the normal shows to start again by the end of it. I suspect the problem is that the order of your choices is over-weighted. A lot of people probably vote for their favourite WBWGs as number 1, since they saw them at a gig last week and feel a certain loyalty etc, and then maybe vote for something more unusual as 2 or 3, but this rarely weighs up to enough to get the unusual bands up there. And it mean non-JP listeners who just log on to vote thanks to some stupid fan club campaigns etc. have a big influence. I say, scrap the ordering - make the three songs equal! gram -- http://www.radio.plus.com From gpwebster@... Tue Nov 18 18:20:26 2003 From: gpwebster@... (hammieweb) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:20:26 -0000 Subject: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I started this WBWG debate and I couldn't agree more with Graham Steel. Also as I said previously, JP should determine the top 50 tracks voted for and then play them randomly or alphabetically. Andy Kershaw used to do something along these lines and it was a joy. --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "graham steel" wrote: > My 2 (Euro) cents on this: > > Many of us on the list probably have a large proportion of WBWG music > in our record collections. However the great thing about listening to > JP is the *variety* of stuff you hear - that's why you listen for the > whole two hours, and why I could never listen to some indie guitar > music show. The problem with many festive fifties is not that I object > to any *particular* WBWG band being in there, they're often quite good > songs, just that I object to hearing 40+ WBWG songs - in fact, I'm > desperate for the normal shows to start again by the end of it. > > I suspect the problem is that the order of your choices is > over-weighted. A lot of people probably vote for their favourite WBWGs > as number 1, since they saw them at a gig last week and feel a certain > loyalty etc, and then maybe vote for something more unusual as 2 or 3, > but this rarely weighs up to enough to get the unusual bands up > there. And it mean non-JP listeners who just log on to vote thanks to > some stupid fan club campaigns etc. have a big influence. I say, scrap > the ordering - make the three songs equal! > > gram > > -- > http://www.radio.plus.com From festive50@... Wed Nov 19 00:18:20 2003 From: festive50@... (Phil Edwards) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:18:20 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Re F50 & WBWG Earlier this year, there were lots of moans about the 2002 FF and I posted the following, which really was about WBWG's "On the whole I think this year's FF was better than last year's. My main reason for this, is the fact that only 4 tracks this year were, what I thought semi mainstream i.e. featured on XFM (although, a halfway decent radio station based in London which is Ok when Peely's not on air, it's still play list orientated though). Compared to last year which contained 18 (Pulp, White Stripes, Pulp, Super Furry Animals, Strokes, Mercury Rev etc.) As for the No. 17 track, Asa-Chang & Junray - Hana (which he described as an extraordinary record). It truly was an extraordinary and beautiful track" I really do wonder why people who vote for these tracks bother listening to Peel. They seem to be missing the whole point of his show. When I listen to past festive 50's, ideally I would like it to be a "snapshot" of all that is great/innovative/new and original in that year. Maybe, I'm being too purist here. I would certainly prefer a load of unknown tracks, which I may not have liked on 1st hearing but "grow" on you. With the 2001 FF, I seldom listen to, as so many of the tracks, I'd heard so often on semi-mainstream radio. The "man" himself" often moans about lack/total absence of Reggae in the FF. Not a 100% fan of reggae, I'd much rather the odd reggae track to a mainstream "WBWG" one. You'll have to excuse the ramblings of a fellow "Grumpy Old Man", (nearly as old as JP), I've been listening to the FF from the beginning and remember when the format changed from "tracks off all time" to "tracks of current year". So PLEASE let's not end up with the FF being a replica of all the other charts. I'd be interested in hearing a Festive 50 of ALL festive 50's, in which case 2 of my votes would be for Stereolab & Nurse With Wound - Simple Headphone Mind (No 14 in 1997) Transmission by Joy Division - Various FF's. Phil From mostync@... Wed Nov 19 01:56:44 2003 From: mostync@... (Mostyn) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:56:44 -0000 Subject: [peel] F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. References: Message-ID: <000f01c3ae38$0892b5e0$68d0193e@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: hammieweb > I started this WBWG debate and I couldn't agree more with Graham > Steel. Also as I said previously, JP should determine the top 50 > tracks voted for and then play them randomly or alphabetically. Andy > Kershaw used to do something along these lines and it was a joy. I do agree that the whole thing is spoiled by orchestrated campaigns, obsessive fans sending in multiple votes, slavish listeners who only vote for songs which Peel has personally "approved" of. But, at the same time, I've always thought that the competitive nature of the event is the main part of the Festive Fifty's appeal. I don't think I could raise the same enthusiasm for... "and for the next 2 hours, we'll be playing a random selection of tunes which listeners quite liked". Just changing the subject slightly ... so who were the "several songs that did rather better last year than they ought to have done, in my opinion", apart from Saloon and The Dawn Parade? During the early stages of the vote, he made comment about "a band beginning with D and a band beginning with A". It soon became obvious that D were The Dawn Parade, but who were A? Was it The Aphrodisiacs, who had a link on their Website urging people to vote for "This is a Campaign" - which coincidentally appeared just 1 place above the demoted Dawn Parade? or was it Antihero? They obviously have quite a few fans, but ... 5th best song of 2002??? I thought one of the strangest results was Nina Nastasia in 4th place. I like Nina, and I bought her album last year, but I couldn't nominate any one song on the album as being particularly outstanding. And yet, enough people apparently liked "Ugly Face" to vote it into 4th place, but not one of the other songs received enough votes even to get into the Top 50. Odd? Mostyn [I just discovered there's a members only poll at www.musiciansnews.com to vote for the best song on Nina's album. Out of curiosity, I registered to receive some spam just so that I could vote and see the result, and got the message ... "voting not available at this moment". Damn!] From d.huppertz@... Wed Nov 19 10:21:03 2003 From: d.huppertz@... (dirkhuppertz2003) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:21:03 -0000 Subject: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. Message-ID: Hi, I think you shouldn't bother too much (I know for sure at least John doesn't - that's something for you to think about). The situation has been alike ever since: take a look at the F50's from the 70's up to now - has there ever been a track by a band who was not at least partly common to quite a few people in the Top Ten? I don't think so .... and as I see it the reason is that not everyone who votes is a fanatic listener to the show three times a week, one who knows and cares about every single record being played. I find myself in the same situation: being stuck in Germany I obviously have no acess to BBC Radio. I used to listen to John's BFBS shows for nearly 17 years each week until they were cancelled two years ago. Now, where do I get my musical impact from these days? The only thing I can do is having a look at the BBC homepage and try to find out more about the bands he featured - download samples, visit the bands' sides and so forth. But as this - of course - is not enough (and sorry, but I can't buy every record I read about without having heard it) I automatically pay attention when bands begin to shift into mainstream and become widely available. The White Stripes are a good example, I'd say. The point I'm trying to make is: when I were forced to vote this year, what else could I do but vote for tracks which I am able to compare to others? And you will agree that those tracks must be the ones who are the most familiar ones to me: because either John played them on more than one occasion or they were being brought to 'mass attention' by the telly or other radio stations. And I think a lot of people find themselves in exactly the same situation. So, please don't complain. Just be lucky that you have the chance to enjoy the great man so frequently. All the best, Dirk From danbutt@... Wed Nov 19 12:06:49 2003 From: danbutt@... (Dan Butt) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:06:49 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. Message-ID: Just a few things. I take the WBWG point to a large extent, although I don't really think that the B bit of it is a problem, if by a "problem" we mean that the FF doesn't reflect what Peel plays during the year - I've always felt that female acts do *relatively* well in the FF. (The top 10 last year had 2 female solo artists and two female fronted bands, as well as one male / female duo - that's not bad at all.) Of course, there isn't enough female produced music out there, but I think Peel does a good job picking up what there is, and the FF does a reasoanble job of reflecting it. Period Pains, anyone? I must say, though, that I really don't see the point of not ordering the tracks. The concern, it seems to me, is that the non WBWG tracks don't get into the 50 at all, not particularly that they are concentrated in the lower reaches of the chart. Again, if I look at last year's chart, I can't see a pattern at all. That's certainly true of dance records in general over the years - they can end up pretty much anywhere in the chart (look at Underworld, LSG, H Foundation, etc.) Perhaps the black music that's got in has been more towards the bottom, but even then there have been exceptions (Public Enemy at 14, which is still too low, but hey, and Dreadzone up at 5 - and 9 and 16...) The problem with the Bhundu Boys' Festive Fifty history isn't that "My Foolish Heart" only got to 30, but that they only ever had one entry So I suppose the justification must be that not ordering the tracks would lead to less tactical voting and campaigns, but again, I don't see any reason why that would be the case. My suspicion is that most of the block voting that goes on is intended to get records into the 50 in the first place. It's then a question of how successful a campaign has been that determines how high up it actually goes. It's at least possible that not ordering it would lead to more attempts to get records in there, as there would be a sense that to be joint "song of the year" you just had to get into the 50. But my main objection is just the extent to which not ordering the chart would take the fun and excitement of the countdown out of it. Speaking as someone for whom the FF is the highlight of the year (seriously, bar none!), it wouldn't have the same feel at all if the 50 songs were just played at random. And you'd completely lose the joy and excitement of some of the great (non campaign assisted) triumphs bands have had over the years. That would be a shame, surely? Anyway, if you all email in to suggest that it's changed, I'll do the opposite, AND get the Saloon mailing list to do the same :) Having said all that, I do think that there's no point to ordering the 3 individual votes - there'd be no harm in changing that. Dan >From: "hammieweb" >Reply-To: peel@yahoogroups.com >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [peel] Re: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:20:26 -0000 > >I started this WBWG debate and I couldn't agree more with Graham >Steel. Also as I said previously, JP should determine the top 50 >tracks voted for and then play them randomly or alphabetically. Andy >Kershaw used to do something along these lines and it was a joy. > >--- In peel@yahoogroups.com, "graham steel" wrote: > > My 2 (Euro) cents on this: > > > > Many of us on the list probably have a large proportion of WBWG >music > > in our record collections. However the great thing about listening >to > > JP is the *variety* of stuff you hear - that's why you listen for >the > > whole two hours, and why I could never listen to some indie guitar > > music show. The problem with many festive fifties is not that I >object > > to any *particular* WBWG band being in there, they're often quite >good > > songs, just that I object to hearing 40+ WBWG songs - in fact, I'm > > desperate for the normal shows to start again by the end of it. > > > > I suspect the problem is that the order of your choices is > > over-weighted. A lot of people probably vote for their favourite >WBWGs > > as number 1, since they saw them at a gig last week and feel a >certain > > loyalty etc, and then maybe vote for something more unusual as 2 or >3, > > but this rarely weighs up to enough to get the unusual bands up > > there. And it mean non-JP listeners who just log on to vote thanks >to > > some stupid fan club campaigns etc. have a big influence. I say, >scrap > > the ordering - make the three songs equal! > > > > gram > > > > -- > > http://www.radio.plus.com > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio From martinwheatley@... Wed Nov 19 14:09:33 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:09:33 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031119125024.00c4fef0@...> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart@... Thu Nov 20 10:42:31 2003 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:42:31 +0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 683 In-Reply-To: <1069292863.173.21078.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1069292863.173.21078.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: anyone else getting a message bounce when they try to vote in the F50? I got an 'out of office reply' and then a disk full message - for some reason the votes were forwarded to John'home email account! Can't think why the Beeb didn't just set up a new email address to send all the messages to rather than to john.peel@.... > During the early stages of the vote, >he made comment about "a band beginning with D and a band beginning with A". >It soon became obvious that D were The Dawn Parade, but who were A? Was it >The Aphrodisiacs, who had a link on their Website urging people to vote for >"This is a Campaign" - which coincidentally appeared just 1 place above the >demoted Dawn Parade? or was it Antihero? They obviously have quite a few >fans, but ... 5th best song of 2002??? I always think that if a band has the Peel 'stamp of approval' i.e. if he declares a liking for it himself, then their chances are enhanced. The Aphrodisiacs had their demo played a few times before last year's 50. Couldn't say if Antihero did, but their considerably higher placing is I'm sure the 'A' he was referring to. >I thought one of the strangest results was Nina Nastasia in 4th place. I >like Nina, and I bought her album last year, but I couldn't nominate any one >song on the album as being particularly outstanding. And yet, enough people >apparently liked "Ugly Face" to vote it into 4th place, but not one of the >other songs received enough votes even to get into the Top 50. Odd? Odd that you couldn't choose one track but other people decided one track was 'standout'. Where F50 voting is concerned people will often choose a track they feel will be chosen by other fans of the band, that's clear. Maybe it was again the one Peel played most? Or as simple as it being the first track on the album. I suppose a vote for 'favourite band/act' rather than 'top 3 songs' might make for a good poll... Ob: Black music: I was never surprised that Public Enemy got into the charts in the past as their rebellious rap was cool for many WBWGs, and Dreadzone were making dance music, broadly,with an indie crossover - what I'm getting at is the 'colour' of the music or the music-makers was irrelevant. reggae has always been sorely under-represented - and that's despite John's playing of tracks almost incessantly. Seems that the audience just aren't that keen (The Naturalites 'Picture on my Wall' is one example of a Peel-endorsed track that was played to death at the tie - rightly IMO) As for the Bhundus, I voted for 'Manhenga' - I guess there was no Scottish borders rigging conspiracy that I knew of on the go - more's the pity! Stuart PS - on the subject of rigging - Bang Bang Machine's 'Geek Love'??? -- From martinwheatley@... Fri Nov 21 10:35:02 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:35:02 +0000 Subject: Breezeblock Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031121093137.00c4ed20@...> Not exactly a Peel matter but since you guys know everything you may be able to help You will be familiar with the Mary Anne Hobbs show Breezeblock which goes out now on Monday nights.. Someone has told me that it initially went out on Tuesdays also - can anyone confirm this My memory is fading with old age! martinw From philip_h@... Fri Nov 21 16:06:37 2003 From: philip_h@... (philip_h@...) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:06:37 +0000 Subject: [peel] Breezeblock Message-ID: <20031121150709.IMDZ15446.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.62]> ;You will be familiar with the Mary Anne Hobbs show Breezeblock which goes out now on Monday nights.. Someone has told me that it initially went out on Tuesdays also - can anyone confirm this> It definitley went out on Monday and Tuesday a few years ago. I think Mary Anne came in to those slots when Mark Radcliffe moved over to daytime. Phil ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From dianef84@... Fri Nov 21 18:57:29 2003 From: dianef84@... (diane farley) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:57:29 +0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 683 Message-ID: I have found myself posting more messages to this group than I have for ages, when I entered the Festive 50 debate. Surely the thing about John is just the whole range of music and styles he plays. Who COULD guess what the 'average' Peel listener likes / listens to. My bad efforts to make sure Immortal Lee County Killers were at least represented only precipitated bad replies, no one said... great band. Just because I loved the session at Maida Vale [surpassed by The Vaults now] doesn't neccesarily mean anybody else liked it. You might all cry 'rig' at Saloon or Dawn Parade but then you might just be thinking that your choices are better and why aren't they higher. I don't remember Bang Bang Machine but I think it's unfair just to level accusations at things just because they do well. Anyway. Sounds like John and his team are doing their best to stop rigging this year. D x >From: Stuart McHugh >Reply-To: peel@yahoogroups.com >To: peel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] Digest Number 683 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:42:31 +0000 > >anyone else getting a message bounce when they try to vote in the >F50? I got an 'out of office reply' and then a disk full message - >for some reason the votes were forwarded to John'home email account! >Can't think why the Beeb didn't just set up a new email address to >send all the messages to rather than to john.peel@.... > > > During the early stages of the vote, > >he made comment about "a band beginning with D and a band beginning with >A". > >It soon became obvious that D were The Dawn Parade, but who were A? Was >it > >The Aphrodisiacs, who had a link on their Website urging people to vote >for > >"This is a Campaign" - which coincidentally appeared just 1 place above >the > >demoted Dawn Parade? or was it Antihero? They obviously have quite a >few > >fans, but ... 5th best song of 2002??? >I always think that if a band has the Peel 'stamp of approval' i.e. >if he declares a liking for it himself, then their chances are >enhanced. The Aphrodisiacs had their demo played a few times before >last year's 50. Couldn't say if Antihero did, but their considerably >higher placing is I'm sure the 'A' he was referring to. > > >I thought one of the strangest results was Nina Nastasia in 4th place. I > >like Nina, and I bought her album last year, but I couldn't nominate any >one > >song on the album as being particularly outstanding. And yet, enough >people > >apparently liked "Ugly Face" to vote it into 4th place, but not one of >the > >other songs received enough votes even to get into the Top 50. Odd? >Odd that you couldn't choose one track but other people decided one >track was 'standout'. Where F50 voting is concerned people will often >choose a track they feel will be chosen by other fans of the band, >that's clear. Maybe it was again the one Peel played most? Or as >simple as it being the first track on the album. > >I suppose a vote for 'favourite band/act' rather than 'top 3 songs' >might make for a good poll... > >Ob: Black music: I was never surprised that Public Enemy got into the >charts in the past as their rebellious rap was cool for many WBWGs, >and Dreadzone were making dance music, broadly,with an indie >crossover - what I'm getting at is the 'colour' of the music or the >music-makers was irrelevant. >reggae has always been sorely under-represented - and that's despite >John's playing of tracks almost incessantly. Seems that the audience >just aren't that keen (The Naturalites 'Picture on my Wall' is one >example of a Peel-endorsed track that was played to death at the tie >- rightly IMO) >As for the Bhundus, I voted for 'Manhenga' - I guess there was no >Scottish borders rigging conspiracy that I knew of on the go - more's >the pity! > >Stuart > >PS - on the subject of rigging - Bang Bang Machine's 'Geek Love'??? >-- _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess From stuart@... Sat Nov 22 13:59:02 2003 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:59:02 +0000 Subject: Digest Number 683 In-Reply-To: <1069451671.162.52992.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1069451671.162.52992.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > I don't remember Bang Bang Machine i think that maybe proves my point about them ;) (they were a number one) But there is the valid point that rigging an regular general election is when you actually cheat by making up voters. In these cases it's either (a) a band encouraging their fans to all get together and exercise their vote - and that might not be 'in the spirit' of something, but it's not technically 'wrong', or (b) where they get all friends and family to send in emails and postcards in support - in this case the people are unlikely to have any interest in the band or in the Peel show, and that seems wrong to me. (c) making up multiple email accounts is also a way to fix the F50 and is simple to do and if done well hard to spot by John's team, except when something unexpected places highly. And still impossible to prove without FBI involvement. I also recall The Damned getting disqualified for massive amounts of postcards coming in for 'In Dulche Decorum' which itself seems like a weird choice, the multiple postcard-sender probably one of the few fans who'd have chosen that song! I run a regular poll at my website (www.jockrock.org) and often get in multiple votes which are all from different people at the same company or government department. Theres no way to tell if they're fans or not, and that doubt makes what's a fairly irrelevant poll even less relevant - but then again, such dodgy practices are what won Belle and Sebastian the Brits, and anything that pisses of Pete Waterman can't be bad! Stuart -- From moomin@... Sat Nov 22 17:00:49 2003 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:00:49 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: F50, WBWG, vote rigging etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One thing that Peel could do for groups who are excluded because their votes are spread too thin, is to make a list of total votes a band receives for all its songs. Something like that anyway. -- Simon "I'm the commander--see, I don't need to explain--I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." George Bush jnr speaking to Bob Woodward From martinwheatley@... Sun Nov 23 23:00:38 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:00:38 +0000 Subject: Gram Parsons Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031123215933.00c49330@...> There is an hour of a Gram Parsons Tribute Concert at http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/out/festivals2003/wbnashville/index.shtml Uses your own Real Audio Player From troche@... Tue Nov 25 03:53:27 2003 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:53:27 -0500 Subject: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: Tom The Clueless Yank here... sounds like a good name for a children's program by the way... So what can anyone tell me about the theme song to THE OFFICE which has just finished it's 2nd season run here? Is the song specifically recorded for the show or is it some old chestnut? A co-worker was trying to tell me it was Rod Stewart - not to worry I pushed him out the window into traffic - but to me it sounds exactly like Roger Chapman and/or Family. But in credits it is listed as being by some bloke I've not heard of (and whom I cant remember at this moment.) I guess my question is is it an old Family track...? tom / atlanta From mozy@... Tue Nov 25 07:30:37 2003 From: mozy@... (Maureen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:30:37 -0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> > Tom The Clueless Yank here... sounds like a good name for a children's program by the way... > > So what can anyone tell me about the theme song to THE OFFICE which has just finished it's 2nd season run here? Is the song specifically recorded for the show or is it some old chestnut? > > A co-worker was trying to tell me it was Rod Stewart - not to worry I pushed him out the window into traffic - but to me it sounds exactly like Roger Chapman and/or Family. But in credits it is listed as being by some bloke I've not heard of (and whom I cant remember at this moment.) > > I guess my question is is it an old Family track...? > Afraid to disappoint but The Office uses the version of Handbags and Gladrags recorded by the Stereophonics. It was written by Mike D'Abo (who was in Manfred Mann) and Chris Farlowe covered it too. Maureen From martinwheatley@... Tue Nov 25 08:03:58 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:03:58 +0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031125065833.00c49ab8@...> Tom said > >> A co-worker was trying to tell me it was Rod Stewart - not to worry I > >>pushed him out the window into traffic - but to me it sounds exactly like > >>Roger Chapman and/or Family. But in credits it is listed as being by some > >>bloke I've not heard of (and whom I cant remember at this moment.) > > > >> I guess my question is is it an old Family track...? and Maureen replied > >Afraid to disappoint but The Office uses the version of Handbags and > >Gladrags recorded by the Stereophonics. It was written by Mike D'Abo (who > >was in Manfred Mann) and Chris Farlowe covered it to Rod Stewart did record it and that's probably the best known version of the song in the US so you'd better go and scrape your co-worker up and apologize! martinw From jmsmall@... Tue Nov 25 12:23:38 2003 From: jmsmall@... (Jon) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:23:38 +0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> Message-ID: <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...> Maureen wrote: > Afraid to disappoint but The Office uses the version of Handbags and > Gladrags recorded by the Stereophonics. It was written by Mike D'Abo (who > was in Manfred Mann) and Chris Farlowe covered it too. It's not the wimpy Stereophonics version on the programme, I think it's a cover of D'Abo's song done by Big George, renowned BBC theme tune writer (he did "have I got news for you" among others). The Stereophonics covered it after it was used on the show I think. Looking forward to Coldplay doing a version of the Eastenders theme. Jon From martinwheatley@... Tue Nov 25 14:49:56 2003 From: martinwheatley@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:49:56 +0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...> References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031125134856.00c51078@...> Jon wrote >It's not the wimpy Stereophonics version on the programme, I think it's >a cover of D'Abo's song done by Big George, renowned BBC theme tune >writer (he did "have I got news for you" among others). The >Stereophonics covered it after it was used on the show I think. Looking >forward to Coldplay doing a version of the Eastenders theme. > And here is all you ever wanted to know about Handbags And Gladrags and more http://homepage.mac.com/elliottday/theoffice/handbags_gladrags.html From adyfoley@... Tue Nov 25 16:46:54 2003 From: adyfoley@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ady=20foley?=) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:46:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...> Message-ID: <20031125154654.31330.qmail@...> st*re*ph*ni*s and c*l*p*ay mentioned on the peel list, what next... and at risk of going even further off topic, there's a great variation on the eastenders theme tune from osymyso here: http://www.cartelcommunique.co.uk/films/films03/pnp.rm or download direct here: http://www.cartelcommunique.co.uk/films/films03/pnp.rm enjoy, ady --- Jon wrote: > > Looking forward to Coldplay doing a version of the Eastenders theme. > > Jon ===== in association with rough trade, vacuous pop presents... youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the edmund fitzgerald, ship's a going down, the evenings & xahdrez RoTa @ notting hill arts club, 21 notting hill gate, london w11 saturday 29 november / 4pm - 8pm / free entry cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / youthmoviesoundtrackstrategies / the edmund fitzgerald http://www.vacuouspop.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From moomin@... Tue Nov 25 18:01:54 2003 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...> References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...> Message-ID: In message <3FC33BBA.B84A9450@...>, Jon writes >> Afraid to disappoint but The Office uses the version of Handbags and >> Gladrags recorded by the Stereophonics. It was written by Mike D'Abo (who >> was in Manfred Mann) and Chris Farlowe covered it too. > >It's not the wimpy Stereophonics version on the programme, I think it's >a cover of D'Abo's song done by Big George Mike D'Abo was the subject of the most vicious spoof phone call by Chris Morris on 'On the Hour' in the early 80s, when D'Abo was working as a DJ for Radio Bristol. Gutsquelchingly embarrassing to listen to. -- simon smith From jmsmall@... Tue Nov 25 21:54:12 2003 From: jmsmall@... (Jon) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:54:12 +0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more References: <20031125154654.31330.qmail@...> Message-ID: <3FC3C174.263F530F@...> ady foley wrote: > st*re*ph*ni*s and c*l*p*ay mentioned on the peel list, what next... Girls Aloud are actually quite good! From garry_latham@... Tue Nov 25 23:19:06 2003 From: garry_latham@... (garry_latham) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:19:06 -0000 Subject: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <20031125154654.31330.qmail@...> Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, ady foley wrote: > st*re*ph*ni*s and c*l*p*ay mentioned on the peel list, what next... > ...How about John saying that the st*re*ph*ni*s were a bunch of nice guys! From moomin@... Tue Nov 25 23:32:57 2003 From: moomin@... (simon smith) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:32:57 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: References: <20031125154654.31330.qmail@...> Message-ID: In message , garry_latham writes >...How about John saying that the st*re*ph*ni*s were a bunch of nice >guys! He's good friends with Delia Smith - doesn't (necessarily) mean he likes her cooking! (or supports N*r*w*c* Ci*y for that matter). :-) -- simon smith From janb@... Tue Nov 25 12:21:21 2003 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:21:21 -0000 Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more References: <1069717223.155.16544.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000d01c3b31d$a45fef80$dea6193e@User> Message-ID: <033c01c3b3b2$6f3b1740$e74dfea9@jan> On Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:30 AM [GMT+1=CET], Maureen wrote: > Afraid to disappoint but The Office uses the version of Handbags and > Gladrags recorded by the Stereophonics. No they don't. It was a version specially recorded by Big George (did HIGNFY? theme), and even made to sound a bit 70sish. -- Jan From garry_latham@... Wed Nov 26 14:19:18 2003 From: garry_latham@... (garry_latham) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:19:18 -0000 Subject: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, simon smith wrote: > In message , garry_latham > writes > >...How about John saying that the st*re*ph*ni*s were a bunch of nice > >guys! > > He's good friends with Delia Smith - doesn't (necessarily) mean he likes > her cooking! (or supports N*r*w*c* Ci*y for that matter). :-) > > -- > simon smith Now I never said he liked their music, nor did he, as he was making a point about liking the people, but not necessarily their music. Some of my best friends make music I don't like ;) From adyfoley@... Wed Nov 26 15:42:12 2003 From: adyfoley@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ady=20foley?=) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:42:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: pitchfork: top 100 albums of the 90's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031126144212.579.qmail@...> looking at some of these, it makes me feel old... http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/90s/index.shtml apologies for any cross postings. ady ===== in association with rough trade, vacuous pop presents... youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the edmund fitzgerald, ship's a going down, the evenings & xahdrez RoTa @ notting hill arts club, 21 notting hill gate, london w11 saturday 29 november / 4pm - 8pm / free entry cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / youthmoviesoundtrackstrategies / the edmund fitzgerald http://www.vacuouspop.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From adyfoley@... Wed Nov 26 17:29:16 2003 From: adyfoley@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?ady=20foley?=) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [peel] Re: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031126162916.5955.qmail@...> did he? they can't be that nice or they wouldn't have sacked their twat of a drummer/so called mate... anyway, back to music, it's the workhouse in session tonight. their first peel session after almost ten years together. it should be good. ady --- garry_latham wrote: > --- In peel@yahoogroups.com, ady foley wrote: > > st*re*ph*ni*s and c*l*p*ay mentioned on the peel list, what next... > > > > ...How about John saying that the st*re*ph*ni*s were a bunch of nice > guys! ===== in association with rough trade, vacuous pop presents... youthmovie soundtrack strategies, the edmund fitzgerald, ship's a going down, the evenings & xahdrez RoTa @ notting hill arts club, 21 notting hill gate, london w11 saturday 29 november / 4pm - 8pm / free entry cat on form / dustball / ship's a going down / xahdrez / youthmoviesoundtrackstrategies / the edmund fitzgerald http://www.vacuouspop.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From garry_latham@... Thu Nov 27 00:46:22 2003 From: garry_latham@... (garry_latham) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:46:22 -0000 Subject: So you guys know everything, some more In-Reply-To: <20031126162916.5955.qmail@...> Message-ID: > anyway, back to music, it's the workhouse in session tonight. their > first peel session after almost ten years together. it should be good. > > ady > It is a good show today especially as he's played that tune from last night again, the one that had the screaming female vocals, electro intro, and as often, John endearingly messing up the name. From markbursa@... Thu Nov 27 02:49:12 2003 From: markbursa@... (markbursa@...) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:49:12 EST Subject: [peel] pitchfork: top 100 albums of the 90's Message-ID: <14e.271d0883.2cf6b218@...> > >>looking at some of these, it makes me feel old... > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/90s/index.shtml<< Typical American view. Two bleedin' Pavement albums in the top 10 and no Fall albums in the top 100. Mark From gforsyth@... Fri Nov 28 14:18:33 2003 From: gforsyth@... (gforsyth@...) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:18:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [peel] So you guys know everything, some more Message-ID: <26179919.1070025513108.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006> > >> A co-worker was trying to tell me it was Rod Stewart - not to worry I > >>pushed him out the window into traffic - Rod Stewart did record it and that's probably the best known version of the song in the US so you'd better go and scrape your co-worker up and apologize! Rod's version is of course absolutely tremendous, just like his first 3 albums for the mercury label, all of which are available on CD. George Forsyth From frances@... Fri Nov 28 15:13:55 2003 From: frances@... (Frances Castle) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:13:55 -0000 Subject: peel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <415C917D807AD411B72C00805FF7330B04E9AB05@MAILSRV> From adri999@... 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