From martinw@... Sat Dec 1 21:22:26 2001 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:22:26 +0000 Subject: Alec Empire Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011201202214.00acccb0@...> There is a session next week that is likely to be of interest to Peel listeners in a place where you wouldn't expect to find it! The Rock Show (Tuesday midnight) has a session from Alec Empire (of Atari Teenage Riot fame) If anyone is interested I do send out a post every week listing the following weeks sessions on various Radio 1 progs Send an e-mail to zapsmart-subscribe@yahoogroups.com martinw From parkrow1@... Mon Dec 3 21:49:08 2001 From: parkrow1@... (parkrow1@...) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:49:08 -0000 Subject: 2000 F50 Message-ID: <9ugog4+9tbd@...> Hi all-- Might anyone have recording of Peel's rundown of last year's Festive 50? I have a friend that is trying to get up w/ the, erm, 'latest' indie type stuff and she saw the 2000 F50 and asked me about perhaps finding a recording ... So here I am taking a stab in the dark! ;-) Obviously, if anyone has such and would be amenable, my friend would be more than willing to fairly recompense the kind offerer. =) cheers --Michael http://groups.yahoo.com/group/parkrow The premiere Cinerama-TWP mailing list From niag@... Tue Dec 4 12:28:11 2001 From: niag@... (Niag) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:28:11 -0000 Subject: John Peel Festive Fifty's Message-ID: <006e01c17cb6$d3588350$6564020a@gbsh001> For recordings of most years festive fifty's look at http://www.30242.net Niag From p_reavy@... Wed Dec 5 13:46:21 2001 From: p_reavy@... (p_reavy) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:46:21 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <9ul4ut+jc6u@...> Is anybody going to admit what they've voting for? I was thinking of the Fall, Detroit Cobras and Ladytron (although that would leave me no room for anything by Bal-Sagoth). I must admit I'd still prefer it if Peel worked out his own 50 favourites and played those instead. For that reason I haven't voted for a couple of years. Peter From steven@... Wed Dec 5 18:08:11 2001 From: steven@... (Steven Wilson) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:08:11 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 Message-ID: 05/12/01 12:46:21, "p_reavy" wrote: >Is anybody going to admit what they've voting for? > Here is what I voted for: Vander - Kling Klang Injured Birds - Monkey Steals The Drum I Wake Up In The City - The Fall Does placing Kling Klang at no.1 give it more weight or do they all just count as one vote? Steven From rob@... Wed Dec 5 19:19:39 2001 From: rob@... (Rob Brewer) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:19:39 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20011205181110.00bd74f0@...> At 17:08 05/12/01 +0000, Steven Wilson wrote: >Does placing Kling Klang at no.1 give it more weight or do they all just >count as one vote? I think they all get one vote, but if there's a tie the number of first preferences is taken into consideration. I'm pretty sure there was a tie for no. 1 a few years ago. Rob From janb@... Wed Dec 5 23:55:34 2001 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:55:34 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 References: <9ul4ut+jc6u@...> Message-ID: <00ac01c17ddf$f3bfd920$e74dfea9@jan> > From: "p_reavy" > Is anybody going to admit what they've voting for? > > I was thinking of the Fall, Detroit Cobras and Ladytron (although > that would leave me no room for anything by Bal-Sagoth). I think the only 2001 records I own are Amnesiac, I Might Be Wrong and Know Your Enemy. Given that I haven't really listened to much radio either I'm as out as touch as my Grandad. So my top 3 would be something dull like 1 Life In A Glasshouse - Radiohead 2 Pyramid Song - Radiohead 3 Freedom Of Speech... - MSP -- Jan From morriso@... Thu Dec 6 00:51:53 2001 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:51:53 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 References: <9ul4ut+jc6u@...> Message-ID: <003a01c17de7$d4b602e0$539a27d9@tinypc> 1.. Arab Strap 'The Long Sea' 2.. Low 'Embrace' 3.. New Order 'Crystal' (album version's the better mix) Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... ICQ No. 52250781 Website: http://www.trustnoone.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: p_reavy To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: [peel] Festive 50 Is anybody going to admit what they've voting for? I was thinking of the Fall, Detroit Cobras and Ladytron (although that would leave me no room for anything by Bal-Sagoth). I must admit I'd still prefer it if Peel worked out his own 50 favourites and played those instead. For that reason I haven't voted for a couple of years. Peter Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From d.mckinnon@... Thu Dec 6 10:04:01 2001 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:04:01 +0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 In-Reply-To: <9ul4ut+jc6u@...> References: <9ul4ut+jc6u@...> Message-ID: On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:46:21 -0000 p_reavy wrote: > I must admit I'd still prefer it if Peel worked out his own 50 > favourites and played those instead. For that reason I haven't voted > for a couple of years. I'm not sure I understand the reasons behind boycotting it. Was the F50 ever chosen by just Peel himself? dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From p_reavy@... Thu Dec 6 13:31:22 2001 From: p_reavy@... (p_reavy) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:31:22 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9unoeq+jf32@...> > I'm not sure I understand the reasons behind boycotting it. Was > the F50 ever chosen by just Peel himself? Not as far as I know. My point is mainly that we rely on the Festive 50 as a round-up of the what's been on his show that year. But it never really is that. I don't know whether it's because his audience don't go for everything he plays, or whether it's because votes statistically tend to bland things out. It's unfortunate to me that all we have as a record of what was on Peel's show in 1985, for instance, is the 1985 Festive Fifty which as he said himself in print around that time, more or less completely left out hiphop. We rely on Peel as a proxy to scout various things out for us, so why not rely on him to summarise these at the end of the year rather than getting an averaged out version. My guess (only a guess) is that he might not mind doing this and that he may not be a great fan of the Festive 50 himself. Peter From d.mckinnon@... Thu Dec 6 14:16:20 2001 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:16:20 +0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Festive 50 In-Reply-To: <9unoeq+jf32@...> References: <9unoeq+jf32@...> Message-ID: On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:31:22 -0000 p_reavy wrote: > We rely on Peel as a proxy to scout various things out for us, so why > not rely on him to summarise these at the end of the year rather than > getting an averaged out version. > > My guess (only a guess) is that he might not mind doing this and that > he may not be a great fan of the Festive 50 himself. I think he's said in the past that he's been a bit fed up of doing the F50 and been disappointed that the content of it is fairly conservative. I'd be interested to hear his own F50, but still enjoy the current set-up as well. dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From stuart@... Thu Dec 6 14:42:58 2001 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:42:58 +0000 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 434 In-Reply-To: <1007645376.299.16763.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1007645376.299.16763.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > > I'm not sure I understand the reasons behind boycotting it. Was >> the F50 ever chosen by just Peel himself? > >Not as far as I know. My point is mainly that we rely on the Festive >50 as a round-up of the what's been on his show that year. But it >never really is that. Peel chose the 1976 50 I'm quite sure (recently rediscovered as a paean to The Motors which has been rather kept quiet!) > >I don't know whether it's because his audience don't go for >everything he plays, or whether it's because votes statistically tend >to bland things out. I think Peel doesn't really want to go on too much of an ego-trip much which is understandable! But it must be a worry when the listeners to the show don't seem to be paying any attention to what they've heard over the year e.g. lack of hiphop in the past etc. I'm not quite sure what what I voted for this year but I'm positive they were all Scottish, as it's been a poor year for indie-type music in general and while the likes of Lift to Experience are not bad, nothing's really grabbed me on the one-time radio listens you get from Peel, so stuff I've heard a lot for various reasons has really stuck with me. (It would have any 3 from Purple Munkie, Lapsus , Aereogramme, Josephine, Bendy Toy and ballboy. Possibly). S -- From parkrow1@... Thu Dec 6 23:41:49 2001 From: parkrow1@... (Michael Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:41:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: F50 choices In-Reply-To: <1007645376.299.16763.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011206224149.39561.qmail@...> I'm afraid I'd not heard GET READY when I sent in my selections, otherwise I woulda had to include at least one # of that. I agree, btw, with the person that said the album mix of 'crystal' is the best. Anyway, so for this year I chose 2 worthy selections by American band Ivy in hopes of getting them a little exposure. =) 1. health and efficiency -- Cinerama 2. Lucy doesn't love you -- Ivy 3. Disappointed -- Ivy PS no that's not a Mozza cover! ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From djhc2@... Fri Dec 7 12:00:14 2001 From: djhc2@... (djhc2@...) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:00:14 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: I'm very pleased to see so many interesting votes for the FF! I have never had a track I voted for apper in any F50 so far, though I live in hope... I doubt any of the following will register this year either. 1. John B - Move your body 2. Frank Black & the Catholics - Bullet 3. Woodbine - Nesquik Your F50 choices don't get equal votes, they're weighted -- so your number 1 gets 3 points, no 2 gets 2 and no 3, 1. The points are added up. I always wondered what nos 51-100 would be and wish he would publish them even if they weren't played -- it always strikes me that the really interesting stuff is at the bottom end of the 50 (not that the top aren't good, but it's a bit easy to guess how much Fall, Hefner, & the records Peel has raved about this year, will appear). From stuart@... Fri Dec 7 14:01:58 2001 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:01:58 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 In-Reply-To: <1007729325.161.71856.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1007729325.161.71856.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >I always wondered what nos 51-100 would be and wish he would >publish them even if they weren't played -- it always strikes me that >the really interesting stuff is at the bottom end of the 50 Older listeners (cough) may have sent off their sae's for a [photocopied sheet listing the F50 in previous years and often the numbers 51-60 were included at the bottom - I *think* these show up on some of the web versions of the charts. I'm not sure how enlightening these were though my favourites always seemed to be in that unbroadcast area! Though I think on more than one occasion something that Peelie would have liked to see in the 50 - Misty or something - showed up just outside the 'proper' chart. Stuart -- From parkrow1@... Fri Dec 7 21:50:16 2001 From: parkrow1@... (Michael Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:50:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Away from the numbers? In-Reply-To: <1007729325.161.71856.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011207205016.45781.qmail@...> Last year I had _at least_ one of my choices get in the F50: Cinerama's "manhattan" ... And one of the all-time selections that I _meant_ to vote for, "going underground" by the Jam, got in; falling, I believe, shockily close to the bottom 40. Imo, it is a travesty that a song like that can be so much lower than such fodder as "smells like teen spirit." I guess I better duck now for a potential backlash from ardent Nirvana fans; but hey, I gotta write what I feel! ;-) cheers --Michael __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From festive50@... Fri Dec 7 22:53:22 2001 From: festive50@... (festive50) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:53:22 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <9urdoi+ms58@...> Although I've been listening to the FF's since 1981. I'm ashamed to say, I've never voted, up until now..... I've been frantically going through my listings and picked 3 which I gave ***** and pretty certain were released this year and have come up with the following and like other posters, believe my selection won't get many votes either. You never know. 1) Meanwhile back in communist Russia - Life Support 2) Saloon - Impact 3) Paleface - Saviour of Scandinavia (Live from Levitation - Radio Mafia Helsinki) cheers Phil From gforsyth@... Sun Dec 9 22:13:37 2001 From: gforsyth@... (George Forsyth) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:13:37 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 References: <9urdoi+ms58@...> Message-ID: <004401c180f6$5ef66240$f229883e@oemcomputer> Why get so upset about the Festive 50? It seems like a very nice idea: vote for your top 3 of the year. Where's the harm? Why SHOULD it represent his show? That's not what it's for. And if you want a microcosm of his show, why not make up your own complilation tape/md/cd for the year? A listeners poll is always interesting, and I still get a thrill when any of my choices appear, which is a fairly sad admission for someone of my advanced years to admit to. 1. Melys - Chinese Whisper 2. Paula Fraxer - I Know That 3. Hefner - Peppermint Taste and then I remembered the Detroit Cobras and the Come Ons. George Forsyth From morriso@... Mon Dec 10 00:06:56 2001 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:06:56 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive 50 References: <9urdoi+ms58@...> <004401c180f6$5ef66240$f229883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000d01c18106$32e5ea80$0fa127d9@tinypc> The Detroit Cobras album rocks. I'd like all of the tracks to appear in the fifty! Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... ICQ No. 52250781 Website: http://www.trustnoone.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: George Forsyth To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Festive 50 Why get so upset about the Festive 50? It seems like a very nice idea: vote for your top 3 of the year. Where's the harm? Why SHOULD it represent his show? That's not what it's for. And if you want a microcosm of his show, why not make up your own complilation tape/md/cd for the year? A listeners poll is always interesting, and I still get a thrill when any of my choices appear, which is a fairly sad admission for someone of my advanced years to admit to. 1. Melys - Chinese Whisper 2. Paula Fraxer - I Know That 3. Hefner - Peppermint Taste and then I remembered the Detroit Cobras and the Come Ons. George Forsyth Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From troche@... Tue Dec 11 02:26:16 2001 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:26:16 -0500 Subject: An when I say ah-fode.... In-Reply-To: <1007981467.255.57998.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1007981467.255.57998.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I got my vote in under the wire. I had to cast one for Cowcube's "Ye Old School" - the one with the pleasant lady singing "jumpin all around and scritch-scritch-scratchin." Of course I cant be sure of it is from 2000 or 2001, I mean how can you really tell when there aren't really "release dates" on these home demos. There's no date on the CD I got. So 2001 it is. I really liked Low's "Dinosaur Act" over the other Low songs. It seems to have come out in Jan 2001 so maybe it'll count too. 3rd Choice was No Trophy by the Bees, a fine single with an even better dub side. So now may I draw on the vast wisdom of the group.... a few months ago JP played a vintage R&B track, mid 50's certainly, with about a guy who'd bought a fancy car on credit that he now couldn't afford. Real funny story and real funny urban-slang drawl in the singer's delivery. The last lines of the song concerned how he was turning in the car (a Cadillac?) and gettin sumthin he could ah-fode. "An when I say ah-fode I mean a Fode (Ford)" So, who was that by....? tom ps: am I the only list-er in the States? Sigur Ros is on CBS Friday night... From robfleay@... Tue Dec 11 10:34:11 2001 From: robfleay@... (robfleay@...) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 9:34:11 +0000 Subject: EVP Message-ID: <20011211093411.NCDR29646.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.63]> I know JP had a stint earlier in the year playing tracks from the Electronic Voice Phenomenon record (ie voices of "ghosts" recorded from beyond the grave) - but did anyone see the Witness program on C4 last Sunday night on this very subject? It was unintentionally hilarious. From douglas.fisher1@... Tue Dec 11 22:08:02 2001 From: douglas.fisher1@... (Douglas Fisher) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:08:02 -0000 Subject: Help! Festive Fifty Message-ID: <002201c18287$ec0486c0$44997ad5@computer> Folks, Looking for a kind soul to help me out by taping this years Festive Fifty. We are going away to stay at my in-laws over the festive period and I wont manage tune in. Willing to pay for the tapes and postage or can swap for a copy of some of the previous years, `87 onwards. Please mail me directly, thanks in advance. Cheers From me@... Tue Dec 11 22:48:34 2001 From: me@... (Ed Blackmore) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:48:34 -0000 Subject: [peel] Help! Festive Fifty In-Reply-To: <002201c18287$ec0486c0$44997ad5@computer> Message-ID: <3C167F32.14620.51FE7CE@localhost> > Folks, > > Looking for a kind soul to help me out by taping this years Festive Fifty. We > are going away to stay at my in-laws over the festive period and I wont manage tune > in. > > Willing to pay for the tapes and postage or can swap for a copy of some of the > previous years, `87 onwards. > > Please mail me directly, thanks in advance. > > Cheers > > I shall be recording to mp3 as usual, if you're interested. i've been setting up and testing my computer/hifi today for the hefner session. Ed ================================================= Ed Blackmore - http://www.edblackmore.net From d.mckinnon@... Wed Dec 12 09:50:57 2001 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:50:57 +0000 Subject: [peel] EVP In-Reply-To: <20011211093411.NCDR29646.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.63]> References: <20011211093411.NCDR29646.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.63]> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 9:34:11 +0000 robfleay@... wrote: > I know JP had a stint earlier in the year playing tracks from the Electronic Voice Phenomenon record (ie voices of "ghosts" recorded from beyond the grave) - but did anyone see the Witness program on C4 last Sunday night on this very subject? > It was unintentionally hilarious. My thoughts exactly. Favourite moments included the device for communicating with ghosts which sounded like Sparky's Magic Piano. And the "seance" run by the woman in Dundee where a participant was convinced that she heard the voice of her dad father wheezing a couple of words from another dimension. "He had a chronic breathing condition when he died", she said. Reassuring to think that he's going to have it for all eternity. dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From goofy@... Wed Dec 12 15:36:13 2001 From: goofy@... (Goofy Kent) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:36:13 +0200 Subject: [peel] An when I say ah-fode.... References: <1008067168.242.83944.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <001601c1831c$7236c700$451456d4@pii350mhz> > So now may I draw on the vast wisdom of the group.... a few months ago JP played a vintage R&B track, mid 50's certainly, with about a guy who'd bought a fancy car on credit that he now couldn't afford. Real funny story and real funny urban-slang drawl in the singer's delivery. The last lines of the song concerned how he was turning in the car (a Cadillac?) and gettin sumthin he could ah-fode. "An when I say ah-fode I mean a Fode (Ford)" > > So, who was that by....? > > tom Oh yeah, Peel played that one on his show for Finnish radio, too. That one�s from the patchy but quite excellent compilation "The Spark Records Story" on Ace Records. The track is called "I Gotta New Car" and it's by Big Boy Groves & Band. Written and produced by Leiber & Stoller, who else? Goofy From parkrow1@... Wed Dec 12 18:41:06 2001 From: parkrow1@... (Michael Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: recording of 2000 F50 In-Reply-To: <1008154239.222.57500.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011212174106.9625.qmail@...> Since Doug was asking for help w/ recording this yr.'s, I thought I'd ask again: does anyone have a tape of last yr.'s F50 that we might be able to sort out a copy of? Format of recording prob. doesn't matter ... cheers --Michael PS any of you guys that haven't heard Kevin TIhista should maybe give him a listen! Really good 'chamber-type pop'. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From troche@... Tue Dec 18 01:34:17 2001 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:34:17 -0500 Subject: "John Peel, with his 'Perfumed Garden" programme on Radio London..." In-Reply-To: <1008241288.224.23447.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1008241288.224.23447.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: On a sale table at a bookstore I found the book TIME OUT INTERVIEWS 1968-1998, and Mr Peel's interview from 1970 is included. I scanned it in and here it is. tom r atlanta The Time Out Book of Interviews: J O H N P E E L Pop music seems to be splitting in two. In one direction Englebert and his mimics rush away with their adoring fans, whilst towards the other extreme, various groups and individuals led by the Beatles progress to a freer, improvised and distinctly creative sphere. Though most people seem content with the 'wallpaper' and fab forty Radio 1, a freer and creative presentation is creeping in under the figure-head of disc-jockey John Peel. John Peel, with his 'Perfumed Garden" programme on Radio London, a mixture of records, poetry, letters and conversation, immediately satisfied a demand for intelligent listening and 'involvement' from the public. He will shortly have another 'Perfumed Garden' on Radio 1 and at present is joint host on Sunday's 'Top Gear'. In a conversation with Bob Harris he talks about the way pop music is evolving and about his career and attitude to pop resulting in his becoming Britain's first really creative DJ. Perhaps one day, when the oldish DJs at present monopolising the network are eventually pensioned off, John Peel will be seen as a prototype for the future. ----------------- (speaking) I think it is unfortunate to have a concept of what pop music is because it is expanding so much now. It is difficult to say whether the principal writers at the moment are song writers poets or what they are. Groups are veering towards the theatre and all kinds of elements are being introduced into popular music, which I think can only result in the improvement of all of them. I think eventually it'll all just become one; everything will become fused. Pop music will become television will become pop music will become theatre will become poetry will become whatever... Things are progressing in this direction. The theatre is becoming involved, for example the light show type ideas and the film clips groups are doing, and the Beatles' 'Magical Mystery Tour'. Already pop music, poetry, films and TV are getting mingled in with one another until eventually you won't be able to say where one begins and the other ends. There are some nice trends at the moment, one being that record companies are now prepared to issue LPs by new groups and singers before they release a single, because they figure they've got that much to say. That's a good thing because for years they've been doing that with Jazz and blues." Groups need LPS I think the Cream thing saying they don't want to do any more singles is good in a way, because a lot of groups need an LP to develop their ideas; they can't get them across in two and a half rninutes on a single. It would be nice if the record companies would get round to issuing some LPs without instantly thinking of the profit thing at the end. Elektra records have only made a profit on one LP they have released in this country, which is incredibly sad when you think of some of the beautiful records they've issued, but they are still prepared to issue this type of thing in Britain. Unmechanical Floyd A lot of the groups have some good ideas too. The Pink Floyd are knocked a hell of a lot now, but they really have some superb ideas. I think the point is that they rely a lot on collective improvisation, so if one guy is off, it throws everyone else off. So sometirnes when you go to see the Floyd they are very bad and then other times they are incredibly good. But if a group is consistent it usually means, to my mind, that they are a bit of a drag because they are just mechanical. If you do go and see the Troggs or Dave Dee, for example, you know they are going to sound exactly like their records. But the Floyd music is ultra-pop. It is really sensational music. The Soft Machine are superb too, and if anything, are even more into electronic improvisation than the Floyd." Relaxed Hendrix Then of course, Hendrix has some superb ideas. It is interesting really because Hendrix is more relaxed now. The first LP was incredibly exciting but at the same time a bit frightening too, because there was a sort of anger and violence in it. I must admit, though, that Hendrix, on stage, is a drag. I don't like all this erotic crap because I don't think it's necessary. You can play the guitar a hell of a lot if you're not pretending to be stuffing it. I just think that he is enough of a musician to be able to stand up without doing it. Donovan is getting so good now. I don't know what he is like as a person, and I think this is important, but I think his songs are just exactly right. It doesn't seem to be fashionable at the moment to like Donovan, which is a great pity. The incredibly delicate things he does are so nice, things like 'Guinevere', the dream sequence, fantasy-type ideal situation things. I think Donovan is just beginning to get on the same sort of thing that Paul McCartney is on now, which is simplicity. Beatle simplicity 'Hello Goodbye' is incredibly simple and yet at the same time very effective, because there is an awful lot happening in it and a great deal of depth to it. I have heard it said that Lennon is leaving McCartney behind now, but I think this is absolute rubbish. I don't think Lennon is leaving McCartney behind or viceversa, I just think that they are going in opposite directions. But I think we are reaching the stage now where pop music is splitting in two. Like on one side you have the good groups like the Family, Nice, Traffic and Tyrannossaurus Rex (who incidentally are really incredibly good) and these groups will obviously go on doing better and better things. Then on the other side you've got the backwater of dirge-like things. Frankie Vaughan dead I really thought Frankie Vaughan was dead or working as a bus conductor or something, but they found him, so you really can't tell from where you are. But the really nice thing is that, with very few exceptions, everyone in the group-scene in England is incredibly cooperative. They don't have this 'I'm a pop group' thing that so many American groups seem to have and they are helping in different ways to get people involved in nice ideas and this will continue to get stronger. I only wish that when I was younger there was a 'Perfumed Garden' scene, because I was so incredibly hung up and I'm sure it would have taken less time to get my ideas straightened out. When I started to work for Radio London, I began by doing the 'fab forty' stuff and then I volunteered to do the late night show (12-2am), because no-one else wanted to do it. After a time I began bending the format a little more each night until, by the time the attention of the station management had been drawn to it, it was already an established fact. 'The perfumed garden' The other disc-jockeys reacted against it to begin with because this is something a discjockey has always wanted to do, to have this freedom thing, but the Radio London programme administrator, Alan Kein, was quite jazzed about the idea, so I started doing the whole 'Perfumed Garden', just bringing in more stuff as I thought of it, whatever happened to come up or whatever was suggested. Letters played an important part in it. People would say, 'Hey will you try to do this?'and I would try to do it. I think it is the way a radio programme should be, although not all radio programmes because obviously you have to have some of the wallpaper music that Radio 1 is providing so well at the moment. But you also need, somewhere in your day or in your week, a programme where the people who are listening are not treated as though they are totally moronic. I don't know why I called the programme 'The Perfumed Garden'. I didn't know about the book at the time, it was just a nice idea, wandering at night through a perfumed garden. As far as I was concerned it was a state of mind. I would like to think that it was more than just a pop record show because it did, I suppose, try to influence people into at least sitting up and thinking about the ideas that I think are important. It doesn't mean that I thought that everyone had to believe in them, it was rnore a question of 'here you are - do what you like with them'. Involvement But so many people became involved with it. I got incredibly involved myself and I think that if you're doing that regardless of what you're doing, it communicates to other people. But you have got to know that as you get involved in something, people are going to appreciate your involvement and perhaps try to become involved also and in this way the whole thing can just spill over. I really think that it can have consequences beyond anyone's wildest hopes, because if people become really strongly involved in something and they really believe in it and can get other people involved as well, you've got the start of something very important. You see, the people who were deeply involved with 'The Perfumed Garden' weren't, in the main, people who were involved with the music scene. They were just very ordinary people living very ordinary lives in very ordinary places. The ideas behind it and the sense of involvement I felt may have communicated something new to them and they became involved. Something existed for them to become involved in, whereas previously nothing had. I think that as Radio 1 progresses, always assuming that it is going to progress, the personal involvement will become greater because they'll realise that a pop radio thing, if it is going to work, has to be rooted in the community to a far greater extent than it is at the moment. The 'non-hear' station The really depressing thing, though, is that 98% of the people listening to Radio 1 really don't hear it, I mean they really don't. A discgockey could get up there and say 'That was a fucking good record' and I swear people wouldn't know he'd said it because they really don't hear. 'Top Gear', although obviously far from being ideal as a musical thing, is the best programme on Radio 1, purely and simply because no-one else, with the exception of Kenny Everett, is trying to play nice music. But when BBC television first started, it was a lowest common denominator thing then, all westerns, and gradually they realised that it wasn't necessary to do this all the time and that you could afford to put some nice programmes on. Ultimately I hope the same will be true of Radio 1. From p_reavy@... Tue Dec 18 17:34:51 2001 From: p_reavy@... (p_reavy) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:34:51 -0000 Subject: "John Peel, with his 'Perfumed Garden" programme on Radio London..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9vnr7b+b5kp@...> Thanks to Tom for that interview. > I think the Cream thing saying they don't want to do any more > singles is good in a way, because a lot of groups need an LP to > develop their ideas; they can't get them across in two and a half > minutes on a single. Complete opposite of Peel's current position. > because there was a sort of anger and violence in it. I must admit, > though, that Hendrix, on stage, is a drag. I don't like all this > erotic crap because I don't think it's necessary. You can play the > guitar a hell of a lot if you're not pretending to be stuffing it. He didn't go for the Stooges either, did he? > 'Hello Goodbye' is incredibly simple and yet at the same time very > effective, because there is an awful lot happening in it and a > great deal of depth to it. After reading the Peel interview in Artrocker a couple of months back I looked up the British trad jazz players that he used to listen to. They must have played a big part in developing his taste. Maybe in the way that he goes for music which simplifies itself rather than being clever. I noted that the Wire magazine made fun of Peel for liking the White Stripes which it saw as merely going over old ground. Whereas he said on Radio 4 that he saw them as a modern blues band as if it was more important to go back to the basics. Peter From troche@... Wed Dec 19 14:18:34 2001 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:18:34 -0500 Subject: Obituary - Clifford T Ward Message-ID: LONDON (AP) - Singer and songwriter Clifford T. Ward, best known for his 1970s hit, ``Gaye,'' died Tuesday, the secretary of his fan club said. He was 57. Ward, who had suffered from multiple sclerosis for two decades, died from pneumonia in his home town of Kidderminster, Stephen Bagust said. Although he had only two chart singles and made albums infrequently, Ward retained a devoted following and his songs were recorded by stars including Art Garfunkel and former Beatle Ringo Starr. Ward trained as a teacher after his first band, ``The Secrets,'' failed to find success. While teaching at a high school in Worcestershire, he began recording as a solo artist for Dandelion, a record label run by British Broadcasting Corp. DJ John Peel. When ``Gaye'' hit the charts, he gave up teaching to concentrate on his musical career. He was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1984, but continued to make records; his last album was ``Julia and Other New Stories'' in 1994. From sete.colinas@... Sat Dec 22 11:52:44 2001 From: sete.colinas@... (Leo Gilbert) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:52:44 +0000 Subject: Peel Christmas goodies Message-ID: <075A7746-F6CA-11D5-9E10-0050E490C471@...> John Peel looks back on 2001... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/peel_features/xmas_questionnaire_2001.shtml John Peel's Carol Concert is online... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/peel_features/carols_dec2001.shtml Merry Christmas, all, and have a happy 2002. Leo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 404 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark@... Sat Dec 22 12:22:42 2001 From: mark@... (mark) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:22:42 +0000 Subject: The Syke Session Message-ID: <200112221122420490.001ED8DB@...> One of the most inventive mixes I've heard in years. Well done that man I say. I never liked Bark Psychosis that much but I'll watch his solo career with interest. By the way, does anyone know why free.uk.john-peel is no longer in use. I used to post there a few years ago and - well - it's almost dead now. And I failed to email my festive 50 Top Three again :( -- mark@... 20746@... From troche@... Tue Dec 25 15:35:49 2001 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:35:49 -0500 Subject: Festive day In-Reply-To: <1009099495.228.38397.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1009099495.228.38397.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: At 9:24 AM +0000 12/23/01, peel@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >By the way, does anyone know why free.uk.john-peel >is no longer in use. I used to post there a few years ago >and - well - it's almost dead now. Was that the newsgroup? I have completely given up on newsgroups as soon as I discovered, the hard way, that junk mail spammers harvest e-mail addresses from newsgroup posts. Anyway there is a Radio 1 John Peel Christmas card at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/postcards/john_peel.shtml plays a very low fi greeting... rather lame I'm afraid. tom From mark@... Tue Dec 25 17:34:51 2001 From: mark@... (Mark) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:34:51 -0000 Subject: [peel] Festive day In-Reply-To: References: <1009099495.228.38397.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <3C28AAAB.5427.585B2A@localhost> On 25 Dec 2001 at 9:35, Tom Roche wrote: > Was that the newsgroup? I have completely given up on newsgroups as > soon as I discovered, the hard way, that junk mail spammers harvest > e-mail addresses from newsgroup posts. Well if that's your main concern you can use a service like www.mail-x-change.com it's completely spamproof. www.firewallx.com goes further and protects you from viruses and a lot of trojans as well. I'm sure that alone won't make you change your mind and I apologise for going off topic, but I really like Usenet. It has one massive advantage over other systems: it isn't dependent on the good will of any one provider. From c.lane@... Thu Dec 27 12:14:15 2001 From: c.lane@... (Chris Lane) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:14:15 -0000 Subject: Arse! Feck! etc Message-ID: For some reason, (my guess is neighbours' ridiculous amount of flashing fairy lights), my R1 FM reception has gone belly up (on,off,on,off), and attempts to reposition my aerial in the loft have made no difference, hence my annual recording of the F50 has failed :-( So, if anybody has recorded these shows to MP3 could they copy some for me? Will send SAE and blank CDs - whole shows preferable as there are usually some extra goodies in there. Festive cheers, Chris -----EMAIL DISCLAIMER------------------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. If you have received this email in error please destroy it and notify the sender. You must not use or disclose any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Unauthorised use/disclosure may be unlawful. Opinions expressed may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of Khaos Technologies or its affiliates. We may monitor email communication passing through our networks and we reserve the right to store all/part of any communication. We take reasonable precautions to ensure our emails are virus free, however, we cannot accept responsibility for any virus transmitted and recommend that you implement your own virus checking procedures. From stuart@... Fri Dec 28 15:19:36 2001 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:19:36 +0000 Subject: Arse! Feck! etc In-Reply-To: <1009529733.135.83255.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1009529733.135.83255.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: >or some reason, (my guess is neighbours' ridiculous amount of flashing >fairy lights), my R1 FM reception has gone belly up (on,off,on,off), and >attempts to reposition my aerial in the loft have made no difference, hence >my annual recording of the F50 has failed :-( > >So, if anybody has recorded these shows to MP3 could they copy some for me? >Will send SAE and blank CDs - whole shows preferable as there are usually >some extra goodies in there. Count me in on any taping goings-on since I managed to hear precisely 3 tracks (19-21) over the 3 days for a variety of complex and stoopid reasons. What really need to know is - did he actually *play* 'Vatican Broadside'? Stuart PS the 50 along with clips from the tracks is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/peel_features/peel_festive_fifty_2001.shtml -- From morriso@... Fri Dec 28 15:24:24 2001 From: morriso@... (Andrew Morrison) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:24:24 -0000 Subject: [peel] Re: Arse! Feck! etc References: <1009529733.135.83255.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <008701c18fab$5b9426a0$59a627d9@tinypc> Oh, yeah! Vatican Broadside got played once again, along with Bob Wilson, Anchorman. Was I the only one that guessed an emergency tape had kicked in for the first five minutes of Mogwai's single? John sounded very pissed off about that - don't blame him! Nice to hear Melys getting the top spot. Regards, Andrew Morrison Email: morriso@... ICQ No. 52250781 Website: http://www.trustnoone.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart McHugh To: peel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: [peel] Re: Arse! Feck! etc >or some reason, (my guess is neighbours' ridiculous amount of flashing >fairy lights), my R1 FM reception has gone belly up (on,off,on,off), and >attempts to reposition my aerial in the loft have made no difference, hence >my annual recording of the F50 has failed :-( > >So, if anybody has recorded these shows to MP3 could they copy some for me? >Will send SAE and blank CDs - whole shows preferable as there are usually >some extra goodies in there. Count me in on any taping goings-on since I managed to hear precisely 3 tracks (19-21) over the 3 days for a variety of complex and stoopid reasons. What really need to know is - did he actually *play* 'Vatican Broadside'? Stuart PS the 50 along with clips from the tracks is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/peel_features/peel_festive_fifty_2001.shtml -- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rob@... Sat Dec 29 01:07:18 2001 From: rob@... (Rob Brewer) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:07:18 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 again In-Reply-To: <008701c18fab$5b9426a0$59a627d9@tinypc> References: <1009529733.135.83255.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20011229000054.00b13e80@...> If anyone's interested, here's the 50 again with the bands scored Gedge-style (50 points for No. 1 down to 1 for No. 50). Nice showing for HMHB who slip into third behind the various over-hyped yanks. Apologies to denizens of the Hefner list who may be getting deja-vu just now... Rob 1 THE STROKES 151 pts No. 5 'Last Nite' No. 7 'Hard To Explain' No. 18 'The Modern Age' No. 28 'New York City Cops' No. 46 'Someday' 2 THE WHITE STRIPES 120 pts No. 2 'Hotel Yorba' No. 6 'Fell in Love With a Girl' No. 25 'Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground' 3 HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT 73 pts No. 13 'Bob Wilson Anchorman' No. 16 'Vatican Broadside' 4 MOGWAI 70 pts No. 10 'My Father My King' No. 22 'Two rights make one wrong' 5 MELYS 66 pts No. 1 'Chinese Whispers' No. 35 'I Don't believe in you' 6 CINERAMA 65 pts No. 3 'Health and Efficiency' No. 34 'Superman' 7 PULP 54 pts No. 19 'Sunrise' No. 29 'Trees' 8 BELLE & SEBASTIAN 53 pts No. 17 'Jonathan David' No. 32 'I'm Waking Up To Us' 9 BEARSUIT 47 pts No. 4 'Hey Charlie Hey Chuck' 10 MISS BLACK AMERICA 46 pts No. 14 'Human Punk' No. 42 'Don't speak my mind' 43 pts 8 Camera Obscura - 'Eighties fan' 42 pts 9 New Order - 'Crystal' 41 pts( 12 Saloon - 'Impact' ( 49 Saloon - 'Freefall' 40 pts 11 Meanwhile, Back In Communist Russia - 'Morning after pill' 36 pts 15 Detroit Cobras - 'Shout bama lama' 36 pts( 27 Lift To Experience - 'These are the days' ( 39 Lift To Experience - 'Falling from cloud 9' 35 pts( 26 Ballboy - 'They'll hang flags from cranes' ( 41 Ballboy - 'I've got pictures of you in your...' 31 pts 20 Squarepusher - 'My Red Hot Car' 30 pts 21 Super Furry Animals - 'Rings Around The World' 28 pts 23 Cuban Boys - 'Drink, Drink, Drink' 27 pts 24 Greenskeepers - 'Low & Sweet' 21 pts 30 The Fall - 'I Wake Up In The City' 20 pts 31 Hefner - 'Alan Bean' 18 pts 33 Ikara Colt - 'One Note' 15 pts 36 PJ Harvey - 'This Is Love' 14 pts 37 Seedling - 'Sensational vacuum' 13 pts 38 Antihero - 'Who's looking out for #1?' 11 pts 40 Radiohead - 'Pyramid Song' 8 pts 43 Shins - 'New Slang' 7 pts 44 Mercury Rev - 'Dark is Rising' 6 pts 45 Stereolab - 'Captain Easychord' 4 pts 47 The Hives - 'Hate to say I told you so' 3 pts 48 Rock of Travolta - 'Giant Robo' 1 pt 50 Pico - 'Chard' From niag@... Sat Dec 29 11:45:44 2001 From: niag@... (Niag) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:45:44 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty On-line Message-ID: <009801c19055$f7ef4e80$0100a8c0@gbsh05> For all the people who missed this years (and past years) festive fifty, the complete shows are/will be (this year show be up and running by the end of today), on-line at HTTP://www.30242.net Niag. From stuart@... Sat Dec 29 12:11:21 2001 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:11:21 +0000 Subject: Arse! Feck! etc In-Reply-To: <1009615721.295.7259.m12@yahoogroups.com> References: <1009615721.295.7259.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > Was I the only one that guessed an emergency tape had kicked in for >the first five minutes of Mogwai's single? John sounded very pissed >off about that - don't blame him! I dunno, maybe it's because the last time the tape came on it was Mogwai then too? But I don' think he's much into Mogwai, certainly when he played the other track (2 rights) he didn't seem to know much about the album apart from Gruff singing on one of the tracks. Probably he sees their 20 minutes as time that could be better spent on 6 or 7 other songs! Stuart -- From rowensmith@... Sat Dec 29 21:23:45 2001 From: rowensmith@... (Rowen Smith) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:23:45 -0000 Subject: festive 50 Message-ID: <001d01c190a6$b7e084c0$3e36eec2@default> Festive 50: -Great to see "Health and Efficiency" so high. -I know it's becoming a cliche to point out but a worrying lack of anything other than indie guitar bands. -Having said that, I was surprised at no Ash, Low, Gorky's,..etc. -Sad man that I am, I have compiled an alltime Festive 50 artist Top 50 - based on entries from the first individual year list ('82) to 2001. Interested? E-mail me - rowensmith@... From rowensmith@... Sun Dec 30 22:51:44 2001 From: rowensmith@... (Rowen Smith) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:51:44 -0000 Subject: f50 Message-ID: <000f01c1917c$2d473c60$5c35eec2@default> Some superb artists never to have been in the Festive 50 (I'm sure each of you would add many more!). This doesn't even include largely pre-F50 artists like Leadbelly, Can, Charley Patton, Standells, King Tubby, The Monks, Neu!, Suicide, Faust, Sun Ra, Cluster, Sonics, Harmonia, The Meters, This Heat...etc. Dub Syndicate, Wolfgang Press, Nightingales, Papa M, Fela Kuti, Josef K, Plaid, Man Or Astroman?, Misty In Roots, Tystion, Wagon Christ, Pere Ubu, Stock Hausen And Walkman, Crass, Nectarine No.9, God Is My Co-Pilot, Napalm Death, Luciano, Mouse On Mars, Royal Trux, Rechenzentrum, Coldcut, Kanda Bongo Man, Native Hipsters, Raincoats.......etc. Rowen Smith