From aidan@... Mon May 1 01:18:45 2000 From: aidan@... (Aidan Warner) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:18:45 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re Chasing Ratings (Carry On Jack?) In-Reply-To: <2442067934.439212602@...> References: <2442067934.439212602@...> Message-ID: <390CBF55FA.6729AIDAN@...> On 30 Apr 2000 10:09:09 GMT, Stephen_J._Wood wrote: > At least R1 doesn't have ads (yet), except of course the bloody irritating > trails for other BBC product which interrupt every decent show on the > station, Peel included. Radio 4 listeners don't have to put up with ads in > the middle of The Archers, so why do we? Probably we're not middle class > enough. That's definitely a pet hate of mine, the far-too-long ads for the indescribably banal breakfast show, even during the non-mainstream programs. A few emails to andy.parfitt@... are required, methinks. And said emails could also mention the bizarre lack of adverts during the daytime for the much less well known shows (surely the ones that need advertising), such as, well, anything on after 8pm. Aidan ---- Frustrate spies: http://www.obscurity.freeserve.co.uk/pgp.html Sunderland Music Online: http://listen.to/sunderland "I managed to take her completely by surprise" - Prince Edward From pete@... Mon May 1 14:53:58 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:53:58 +0100 Subject: Wednesday night PEEL Message-ID: <029401bfb36c$516e82a0$7df0883e@rory> RE: last wednesday's, night Plastikman was on [cuh, someone could've, like, TOLD ME..........anyway.....] Peel insinuated when he played the Junket track towards the end of the show, that he'd already played a track off the new Fierce Panda EP (from which it came). Just wondered if anyone knew which other band was played........ oh. and *when* oh when will Ceefax update his page too? hmph.... pete From timw@... Mon May 1 21:59:51 2000 From: timw@... (mit.whitehouse) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:59:51 +0100 Subject: [peel] Wednesday night PEEL References: <029401bfb36c$516e82a0$7df0883e@rory> Message-ID: <000201bfb3ad$573d1c00$40f383c2@tim> > Peel insinuated when he played the Junket track towards the end of the show, > that he'd already played a track off the new Fierce Panda EP (from which it > came). Just wondered if anyone knew which other band was played........ Why did he play a Junket track?? Seems a bit Lamacq territory, a saw them a few weeks ago and they were really really dull. Also on the recent Fierce Panda EP was a song by the starries which it could have been they are really good. From pete@... Tue May 2 13:56:18 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:18 +0100 Subject: Wednesday night PEEL References: <957260699.28475@egroups.com> Message-ID: <004701bfb42e$ed084260$e0ed883e@rory> > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:59:51 +0100 > From: "mit.whitehouse" > Subject: Re: Wednesday night PEEL > > > Peel insinuated when he played the Junket track towards the end of the > show, > > that he'd already played a track off the new Fierce Panda EP (from which > it > > came). Just wondered if anyone knew which other band was played........ > > Why did he play a Junket track?? Seems a bit Lamacq territory, a saw them a > few weeks ago and they were really really dull. Also on the recent Fierce > Panda EP was a song by the starries which it could have been they are really > good. > that'd be cool -- they're awesome, that track ('beauty Scars') is superb. Junket one wasn't good. Caretaker one is GREAT too.....can i get away with that?...... From troche@... Wed May 3 05:16:19 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:16:19 -0400 Subject: Junket In-Reply-To: <957260699.28475@egroups.com> Message-ID: and Junket is out here in the States on RCA, just another dull copor-rock product. I saw them at a freebie RCA meet n greet. They gave away CD's to everyone filing in... after their set was done there were plenty of CD's left behind on the cocktail tables... Has Peel mentioned on-air this trip to New York he is taking soon? tom From martinw@... Thu May 4 00:52:07 2000 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:52:07 +0100 Subject: Wednesday night PEEL Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000503235146.00a7fa70@...> pete flynn wrote >[cuh, someone could've, like, >TOLD ME..........anyway.....] Subscribe to the Zapsmart list and you would have known! (send a blank e-mail to zapsmart-subscribe@onelist.com) martinw From Stuart@... Thu May 4 00:35:38 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:35:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 213 In-Reply-To: <957347889.14770@egroups.com> Message-ID: >Has Peel mentioned on-air this trip to New York he is taking soon? I thnik he mentioned it in his Radio Times column, in relation to his fear of flying. Basically it's a thing where he (and some punters) fly to New York then cruise back to the UK - a kind of working thing as he'll do a series of talks along with some other Radio Times people like Barry Norman. (Though from the typical profile of your 'cruiser' he'll be more likely to be talking about Home Truths than "my days with Sid and Johnny"). S From troche@... Fri May 5 04:30:41 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:30:41 -0400 Subject: NYC - QE2 In-Reply-To: <957435763.22003@egroups.com> Message-ID: At 6:22 AM -0400 5/4/0, Stuart McHugh wrote: > From: > > >>Has Peel mentioned on-air this trip to New York he is taking soon? > >I thnik he mentioned it in his Radio Times column, in relation to his fear >of flying. Well this fear of flying story does start to sound like a broken record... I mean he flew to Zimbabwe in 1980-something, which would give even a regular airline passenger pause. I'd hesitated to mention the trip here because a two months back on a Saturday, on a whim, I rang Peel up at home, using an old number from a visit long ago I did not expect to work. "Of course it works; we're not going anywhere" he said. This NYC trip had just been set up, he'll only be there one night and then the QE2 sails. Still, it will be his first visit to this soil since his late sixties exit from the San Bernadino California radio scene. He said, and again I hesitate a little because he is on this list could read this (even though he never gave us the list of the various radio programs he does we-I asked for,) he said for years he had no interest in seeing the US again at all. But now, passing 60, he is newly curious at what Texas must look like today, and how enjoyable it might be to take the Pig around to the smalltown places where he used to sell insurance. I said ISDN's run anywhere - do yer damn show from Dallas no problem. Also suggested the SXSW festival. I suspect that after the Radio Times coulmn about the Concorde, and the column about the QE2, and the one about about NYC cabbies, and the later columns about NYC radio and NYC hotels we'll know plenty.... tom From markl@... Tue May 9 01:51:58 2000 From: markl@... (markl@...) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:51:58 -0000 Subject: john peel Message-ID: <8f7juu+q5n@...> Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on air mistakes,it can't be that hard to "do" a radio show,i mean if other djs on radio one made so many mistakes they would be fired.Jo Whiley rarely makes mistakes and she's been a dj a fraction of the time peel has so by all rights he should be making a more professional show than her!i don't mean he should include cheesy jingles like the other scum on radio one use(i'm talking about chris moyles)i just mean playing records at the right speed and simple things like that.Still,its the best radio show going despite these constant mistakes,but it could be better if he just put some effort into "it".Also i know other people love the festive 50,but i wish he would do something a little different this year,i don't think i could handle another painfully predictable installment!maybe he should do his favourite 50 tunes,i'd much prefer to hear that and so would most people i know.Please don't reply to this in an insulting way. Mark Ledgard From d.mckinnon@... Tue May 9 10:08:34 2000 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:08:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel In-Reply-To: <8f7juu+q5n@...> References: <8f7juu+q5n@...> Message-ID: On Mon, 08 May 2000 23:51:58 -0000 markl@... wrote: > Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant > on air mistakes,it can't be that hard to "do" a radio show,i mean if > other djs on radio one made so many mistakes they would be fired.Jo > Whiley rarely makes mistakes and she's been a dj a fraction of the > time peel has so by all rights he should be making a more > professional show than her!i don't mean he should include cheesy > jingles like the other scum on radio one use(i'm talking about chris > moyles)i just mean playing records at the right speed and simple > things like that.Still,its the best radio show going despite these > constant mistakes,but it could be better if he just put some effort > into "it".Also i know other people love the festive 50,but i wish he > would do something a little different this year,i don't think i could > handle another painfully predictable installment!maybe he should do > his favourite 50 tunes,i'd much prefer to hear that and so would most > people i know.Please don't reply to this in an insulting way. We had this discussion what seems like only a short time ago. Yes, his on-air mistakes can be a bit irritating when done to excess, but are also part of his charm. He has a defence for some of the records played at the wrong speed in that some of them are white labels with no info on them and playing them at two different speeds doesn't always solve the mystery of which is the correct one. Jo Whiley may rarely make mistakes but I'd be surprised if vinyl formed any part of her show (you have the advantage of me in that I never hear her) and she probably only needs to cue up the next CD which is much simpler. As for the FF, I wouldn't have it any other way. Getting JP to play his favourite fifty may be difficult in that you'll probably give him nightmares trying to narrow things down to fifty, plus you'll have the "painfully predictable instalment" of already knowing what number one is. Still, why don't you e-mail it to him as a suggestion? dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From Harmesh.Kumar@... Tue May 9 10:29:34 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:29:34 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel Message-ID: Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on air mistakes NO. I'm fine with it. I'm sure he'd prefer not to make mistakes at all, but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the programme. Do you prefer pre-recorded programmes with no mistakes? I like the live shows... warts and all. Much better. Harmesh > >----Original Message----- >From: markl@... [SMTP:markl@...] >Sent: 9 May, 2000 00:52 >To: peel@egroups.com >Subject: [peel] john peel > > > >Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant
>on air mistakes,it can't be that hard to "do" a radio show,i mean >if
>other djs on radio one made so many mistakes they would be fired.Jo
>Whiley rarely makes mistakes and she's been a dj a fraction of the
>time peel has so by all rights he should be making a more
>professional show than her!i don't mean he should include cheesy
>jingles like the other scum on radio one use(i'm talking about chris
>moyles)i just mean playing records at the right speed and simple
>things like that.Still,its the best radio show going despite these
>constant mistakes,but it could be better if he just put some effort
>into "it".Also i know other people love the festive 50,but i wish >he
>would do something a little different this year,i don't think i could
>handle another painfully predictable installment!maybe he should do
>his favourite 50 tunes,i'd much prefer to hear that and so would most
>people i know.Please don't reply to this in an insulting way.
>
>      Mark Ledgard
>
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> > > From StuartM@... Tue May 9 11:24:09 2000 From: StuartM@... (Stuart Mackie) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:24:09 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel Message-ID: >Jo Whiley may rarely >make mistakes but I'd be surprised if vinyl formed any part of her show >(you have the advantage of me in that I never hear her) >dougal mckinnon >(d.mckinnon@...) Believe me, Dougal, YOU have the advantage there. From les_miller@... Tue May 9 11:16:45 2000 From: les_miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:16:45 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel Message-ID: <802568DA.0033DB92.00@...> Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. Just the other week, during a show from Peel Acres he started talking (half on/half off mic) with his missus who had just got in from an Ipswich Town game. The reason other shows do not have mistakes is that they have an 'army of helpers' to cue up CDs and play jingles. markl@... on 09/05/2000 00:51:58 Please respond to peel@egroups.com Sent by: markl@... To: peel@egroups.com cc: (Les Miller/GB/3Com) Subject: [peel] john peel Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on air mistakes,it can't be that hard to "do" a radio show,i mean if other djs on radio one made so many mistakes they would be fired.Jo Whiley rarely makes mistakes and she's been a dj a fraction of the time peel has so by all rights he should be making a more professional show than her!i don't mean he should include cheesy jingles like the other scum on radio one use(i'm talking about chris moyles)i just mean playing records at the right speed and simple things like that.Still,its the best radio show going despite these constant mistakes,but it could be better if he just put some effort into "it". Mark Ledgard ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wanted: A few thousand Intelligent Guinea Pigs Who really love music. New music site invites you to hear & rate songs, and get paid for it! JABOOM.com http://click.egroups.com/1/3759/2/_/522767/_/957831190/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From matthieu.delagarde@... Tue May 9 16:41:14 2000 From: matthieu.delagarde@... (matthieu freesbee) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:41:14 +0200 Subject: [peel] john peel References: Message-ID: <3918238A.5C5463A5@...> "Kumar, Harmesh" a �crit : > Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant > on > air mistakes Really? This man is senile "Old age is a long wreck" always said my father matth From Harmesh.Kumar@... Tue May 9 18:19:09 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:19:09 +0100 Subject: [peel] john peel Message-ID: N'no! I didn't say the below!! Gosh. I'm amazed at how rude this is getting! There's nowt wrong with our John!! >-----Original Message----- >From: matthieu freesbee [SMTP:matthieu.delagarde@...] >Sent: 9 May, 2000 15:41 >To: peel@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] john peel > > > >"Kumar, Harmesh" a ecrit : > >> Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant >> on >> air mistakes > >Really? >This man is senile > >"Old age is a long wreck" >always said my father > >matth > > > >  >

"Kumar, Harmesh" a écrit : >

Is it just me or are other people starting to >tire of Johns constant on >
air mistakes
>Really? >
This man is senile >

"Old age is a long wreck" >
always said my father >

matth >

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> > From Stuart@... Tue May 9 15:45:41 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:45:41 +0100 Subject: john peel Message-ID: >>Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on >>air mistakes >Do you prefer pre-recorded programmes with no mistakes? I like the live >shows... warts and all. Much better. Absolutely, did you know that absolutely everything on Radio One is on Minidisc apart from Peel's home shows? Its totally production-line stuff. Which should at least give the likes of Jo Whylie the chance to be wity and urbane since they don't have to concentrate on changing records. Yet somehow Mark and Lard are the only ones who seem to have any spointanaiety in their shows, which they always had anyway. We don't have dj's any more, we have 'presenters'. Personality-driven radio. Yet the likes of Emma B or Dave Pearce completely contradict that term. Would we want a Peel show where a producer puts on the next minidisc'ed item and (like, say, Zoe Ball), the dj exclaims "oh, Pulp, I like this one!" Cuh. Kids of today, don't know you're born, etc. Stuart From keith@... Tue May 9 22:07:19 2000 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:07:19 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: john peel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20000509210719.008b05d0@...> >>>Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on >>>air mistakes absolutely not. it's the mistakes that give the show its Human quality, that you actually feel there's a person there! i AM starting to tire of all this country and western music he's been playing lately, however...! >>Do you prefer pre-recorded programmes with no mistakes? I like the live >>shows... warts and all. Much better. i don't go with this argument that the "warts" are what make the programme good, give it its charm... in fact it is sometimes mildly irritating*... HOWEVER, it's the conditions/environment that allows those to happen which is SO important (as opposed to the veneer of fake perfection in the "produced" programmes) but i think he is still the only DJ who doesn't talk over records. and i think this is really important. [*i think it would be VERY irrritating it i felt that the mistakes were wilful or contrived (as someone suggested... here???) - that moves into steve wright territory... yeuch...] >Personality-driven radio. pfffff! that's one of those terms that almost always means the exact opposite... i think of these dreadful local commercial stations.... >..............Would we want a Peel show >where a producer puts on the next minidisc'ed item and (like, say, Zoe >Ball), the dj exclaims "oh, Pulp, I like this one!" there is nothing less believable than someone going over the top in their assertion of how "brillllllliant" something is.... (surely the fast show killed off that yoof-media pretence?) ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From d.mckinnon@... Wed May 10 09:41:54 2000 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:41:54 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: john peel In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000509210719.008b05d0@...> References: <3.0.2.32.20000509210719.008b05d0@...> Message-ID: > >>>Is it just me or are other people starting to tire of Johns constant on > >>>air mistakes > > absolutely not. > it's the mistakes that give the show its Human quality, that you actually > feel there's a person there! or not, if they're not there to start the next record because they're helping their missus climb a ladder in the next room. I do wish he'd sorted his timings out a bit better last night as his inability to play the last Arab Strap session track means I'll miss it. Having heard that tonight's show featured a session by the Cuban Boys I'd already arranged to do something else. Isn't it time he realised that some people base their entire social lives around the contents of his programmes? dougie dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From troche@... Sat May 13 16:23:21 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:23:21 -0400 Subject: Peel to leave World Service?????? Message-ID: This from a Shorwtave e-news letter I read .... anyone know anything about this? tom r DX LISTENING DIGEST 00-64, May 12, 2000 edited by Glenn Hauser {Items from DXLD may be reproduced and re-reproduced only providing full credit be maintained at all stages. DXLD may not be reposted in its entirety without permission} ** U K. Glenn: Met a BBC reporter from Washington at Eli·n Gonz·lez` hearing this morning in Atlanta. He says new BBC director, Dyke, is a breath of fresh air and has been an improvement. He says one of his first acts was to end the much-criticized policy that requires the various radio outlets to pay to get discs from the library or to find out how to pronounce a word. I also lamented to him that John Peel appears to disappear from the BBC WS schedule after next week, replaced on all of the muddied streams by Steve Lamacq, who plays a more commercial alternative-rock style than the wide variety of styles Peel has been playing for decades. It was bad enough that we went from 3 x 30 min Peel every week to 1 x 25 min. Now we're losing it completely, with absolutely no explanation in the marginally useful "On Air" magazine. Rgds (Mike Cooper, Atlanta, May 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST From ivanix@... Sun May 14 15:06:54 2000 From: ivanix@... (ivanix@...) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:06:54 +0000 Subject: [peel] Peel to leave World Service?????? Message-ID: Goodness Gracious No! Could we get some confirmation of this 'news' from Mr. Peel himself? If it is true, let's start an e-mail petition campaign to keep Peel on the World Service airwaves. Ivan >>Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:23:21 -0400 >>From: Tom Roche >>To: peel@egroups.com >>CC: >>Subject: [peel] Peel to leave World Service?????? >> This from a Shorwtave e-news letter I read .... anyone know anything about this?


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** U K. Glenn: Met a BBC reporter from Washington at Eli�n Gonz�lez`
hearing this morning in Atlanta. He says new BBC director, Dyke, is a
breath of fresh air and has been an improvement. He says one of his
first acts was to end the much-criticized policy that requires the
various radio outlets to pay to get discs from the library or to find
out how to pronounce a word.

I also lamented to him that John Peel appears to disappear from the
BBC WS schedule after next week, replaced on all of the muddied
streams by Steve Lamacq, who plays a more commercial alternative-rock
style than the wide variety of styles Peel has been playing for
decades. It was bad enough that we went from 3 x 30 min Peel every
week to 1 x 25 min. Now we're losing it completely, with absolutely
no explanation in the marginally useful "On Air" magazine. Rgds (Mike
Cooper, Atlanta, May 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST
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Fri May 19 04:44:21 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:44:21 -0400 Subject: Not cancelled, just "a break" Message-ID: I meant to post earlier that Peel closed Tuesday night's BBCWS show with "see you back next week" but then the World Service contiunity announcer said after that Peel was "taking a break from World Service for awhile" which I guess implies he's not cancelled. And this break co-incides with his QE2 trip I suppose. Lammo to fill in, but no timetable was given. Strange how he never never missed a WS show in almost 2 decades, perhaps due to that famous paranioa that someone would get his roundly disliked (within WS) show after filling in once... Before he knew it, he, at some point, went from annoyance to institution, with his time slots finally safe. Or so we hope, right? tr From j.a.shaw@... Fri May 19 12:56:34 2000 From: j.a.shaw@... (j.a.shaw@...) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:56:34 -0000 Subject: olivia neutron bomb Message-ID: <8g36l2+hpu3@...> John Peel's reference on Tuesday night to DLT and Olivia Neutron Bomb put me in mind of 'The Nation's Favourite', a history of Radio One by Simon Garfield(?). It includes a chapter on Peel's show plus entertaining coverage of Walters/Peel's relationship with the more 'celebrity' DJs. For those who lived through the dark years of DLT, Bates, Gary Davies - the horror, the horror - there's some wonderful moments. Apologies if this book has already been discussed on this list. Jim Shaw From timw@... Fri May 19 19:31:06 2000 From: timw@... (mit.whitehouse) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:31:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 220 References: <958736062.25582@egroups.com> Message-ID: <000501bfc1c9$f2f39460$443029d4@tim> > I meant to post earlier that Peel closed Tuesday night's BBCWS show with "see you back next week" but then the World Service contiunity announcer said after that Peel was "taking a break from World Service for awhile" which I guess implies he's not cancelled. And this break co-incides with his QE2 trip I suppose. Lammo to fill in, but no timetable was given. When is this program? What does he do? Play banging choons? Or talk about how to keep those pesky kids in line. I do hope it is tha latter as hearing Lamacqs views on that could be quite interesting. From jmsmall@... Fri May 19 22:20:42 2000 From: jmsmall@... (The'tog) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:20:42 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 220 References: <958736062.25582@egroups.com> <000501bfc1c9$f2f39460$443029d4@tim> Message-ID: <3925A21A.64B512FB@...> "mit.whitehouse" wrote: > When is this program? What does he do? Play banging choons? Or talk about > how to keep those pesky kids in line. Basically a shortened version of the Radio One shows in what he plays. The programmes move around often and for no apparent reason, but this week you missed the show on Sunday at 1.05pm and 10.05pm and Wednesday at 4.05am. Stig From janb@... Sat May 20 00:43:38 2000 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:43:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] olivia neutron bomb References: <8g36l2+hpu3@...> Message-ID: <075901bfc1ea$e5cd2c80$7b5808c3@sidings1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: [peel] olivia neutron bomb > John Peel's reference on Tuesday night to DLT and Olivia Neutron Bomb > put me in mind of 'The Nation's Favourite', a history of Radio One by > Simon Garfield(?). It includes a chapter on Peel's show plus > entertaining coverage of Walters/Peel's relationship with the > more 'celebrity' DJs. For those who lived through the dark years of > DLT, Bates, Gary Davies - the horror, the horror - there's some > wonderful moments. Yep, it's a great book, would thoroughly recommend it to anyone with a healthy disregard for cheesy, poppy mainstream Radio1. It certainly confirmed my every suspicion. I remember the bit about management telling him not to play so much hip hop and jungle because it was the music of the black criminal classes! Ah, the BBC. -- Jan From pete@... Sat May 20 14:59:38 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:59:38 +0200 Subject: Not cancelled, just "a break" References: <958736062.25582@egroups.com> Message-ID: <024a01bfc266$8073f900$91e1883e@oemcomputer> > From: Tom Roche > Subject: Not cancelled, just "a break" > > I meant to post earlier that Peel closed Tuesday night's BBCWS show with "see you back next week" but then the World Service contiunity announcer said after that Peel was "taking a break from World Service for awhile" which I guess implies he's not cancelled. And this break co-incides with his QE2 trip I suppose. Lammo to fill in, but no timetable was given. > > Strange how he never never missed a WS show in almost 2 decades, perhaps due to that famous paranioa that someone would get his roundly disliked (within WS) show after filling in once... Before he knew it, he, at some point, went from annoyance to institution, with his time slots finally safe. Or so we hope, right? > > I would love it, if when Peel next takes a break from is R1 show, if he ever does, that Mark Radcliffe fills in! Peel did for Radcliffe a few times on his old night time show in the past, and it'd be hugely appreciated by those who yearn for Scrawn & lard's old shows/choice of music.... and Peel would obviously get his show back when he returned from his hols, as Radcliffe would have his pm show to return to. I'm not saying i want less of John on the radio.......just that this would probably be rather convenient....... what does John himself think?? As we know he's on the list......Go ahhhn.......you deserve a holiday ;) pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I am 17, you are 62, I am a man and so are you" -- Cat Rapes Dog, "true love" pete@... ^ http://www.badmusic.net BADMUSIC: Clean Shaven fanzine online Badmusic rekkids Local Aldershot/surrey scene "stuff" Full of shit. Come and join the mailing list. Donate Food For Free http://www.thehungersite.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From troche@... Sat May 20 16:27:28 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:27:28 -0400 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 221 In-Reply-To: <958822135.7700@egroups.com> Message-ID: At 7:28 AM -0400 5/20/0, peel@egroups.com wrote: >>It includes a chapter on Peel's show plus >> entertaining coverage of Walters/Peel's relationship with the >> more 'celebrity' DJs. For those who lived through the dark years of >> DLT, Bates, Gary Davies - the horror, the horror - there's some >> wonderful moments. When I first visited Radio One in around 1988 as just a World Service letter-writing Peel fan from the States, John gave my wife and I a little tour. It was in during this dark period. Peel said he was only barely tolerated by the staff, and when people passed him in the R1 corridors they would "avert their eyes as if they might catch some sort of John Peel disease" if they looked or said hello, he said at the time. This came a quite a surprise to me. I sort of felt like those little Japanese girls in "Mystery Train" visiting Memphis and amazed the local radio isnt playing Muddy Waters and Howlin Wolf non-stop. I also remember thanking him for spending the time to show us around, saying something like "you must be an incrediby busy man with all sorts of bands wanting to buy lunch." On the contrary he said "With the bands I play I usually have to buy *them* lunch." tom in atl From timw@... Sun May 21 15:00:11 2000 From: timw@... (mit.whitehouse) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:00:11 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 222 References: <958909668.23406@egroups.com> Message-ID: <000101bfc330$88cf5980$623529d4@tim> > I would love it, if when Peel next takes a break from is R1 show, if he ever > does, that Mark Radcliffe fills in! Peel did for Radcliffe a few times on > his old night time show in the past, and it'd be hugely appreciated by those > who yearn for Scrawn & lard's old shows/choice of music.... I would love it if they did that. I was too young to appreciate it when they did the Graveyard slot but bits I did catch I remember as being really funny. So no offence Mr Peel but why not take a holiday? Then he could fill in for mark and lard at their 2pm slot. That would really be funny. tim From nunununa@... Sun May 21 17:51:22 2000 From: nunununa@... (nunu nuna) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:51:22 PDT Subject: [peel] Digest Number 222 Message-ID: <20000521155122.79432.qmail@...> >Then he could fill in for mark and lard at their 2pm slot. That would >really >be funny. > yeah.. imagine Half Man Half Biscuit being played on daytime radio! or even Melt Banana... Nunununa ********************** Nunununa's home ....http://www.nunuworld.co.uk - mooozak and other such rubbish Play Popex! http://www.popEx.com/cgi-bin/popEx.cgi?Mentor=56 ICQ # 22661317 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Marksplace@... Sun May 21 22:40:55 2000 From: Marksplace@... (Mark) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:40:55 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 222 References: <958909668.23406@egroups.com> <000101bfc330$88cf5980$623529d4@tim> Message-ID: <056801bfc369$cf136380$8b1fdbc3@pbncomputer> He did fill in for Jacki Brambles on the lunchtime show in 1993 once. He did a really good job. I think he played a few tunes from his own show too. Mark, 28 Birmingham ----- Original Message ----- From: "mit.whitehouse" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Digest Number 222 > > I would love it, if when Peel next takes a break from is R1 show, if he > ever > > does, that Mark Radcliffe fills in! Peel did for Radcliffe a few times on > > his old night time show in the past, and it'd be hugely appreciated by > those > > who yearn for Scrawn & lard's old shows/choice of music.... > > I would love it if they did that. I was too young to appreciate it when they > did the Graveyard slot but bits I did catch I remember as being really > funny. So no offence Mr Peel but why not take a holiday? > > Then he could fill in for mark and lard at their 2pm slot. That would really > be funny. > > tim > From Harmesh.Kumar@... Mon May 22 12:36:35 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:36:35 +0100 Subject: kid606/christoph de babalon Message-ID: Hello, Can you help? I wanted to buy the Kid606 / Christoph de Babalon split release that Peel has played recently. It's only available on vinyl... and I do not own a record player anymore. Does anyone have this recording on cd, or mp3, etc.? Can anyone on this list make a cd of this record for me? Hopeful.... Harmesh From jmsmall@... Wed May 24 22:57:50 2000 From: jmsmall@... (The'Tig) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:57:50 +0100 Subject: [chemikal] shock horror References: <20000524154914.8505.qmail@...> <392C141C.6ABDBC8B@...> <392C20FB.4FAC447A@...> <392C20C8.5D0FFB92@...> Message-ID: <392C424E.7E5A4D38@...> That's absolute shit. He's being taken off to "make way for new forms of music" is he? Couldn't one of the many generic 'DJ by numbers' gorms the station has in its employ have made room for some more of those while keeping the highly individual, eclectic mix of styles that Kershaw has always played? He only has two hours a week as it is, after midnight, and that's still too much originality and eclecticism for Radio One? I suspect "new forms of music" probably means a few more rotations for S Club 7. Stig cc: peel list tom redfern wrote: > http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000524171411.html > > The'Tig wrote: > > > Is it?! > > > > tom redfern wrote: > > > AND Kershaw's show's being axed?! What the hell is going on?! From pete@... Wed May 24 23:21:37 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:21:37 +0200 Subject: of interest to some Message-ID: <029701bfc5c6$0f7e5fc0$2c4a893e@oemcomputer> [hope this hasn't been posted yet..] BBC Radio 1 axe Andy Kershaw show after 14 years The UK's premier world music expert is to make way for "new DJs and new forms of music"... 24 May 2000 http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000524171411.html From jmsmall@... Fri May 26 02:02:04 2000 From: jmsmall@... (Tog) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:02:04 +0100 Subject: andy kershaw Message-ID: <392DBEFC.497F0B2E@...> Seems Andy Kershaw's contract came up for renewal. He was offered a three month contract, after that he was to be replaced by a dance music show. So he resigned. Public service broadcasting, don't you just love it Stig http://peelsessions.homepage.com From Stuart@... Fri May 26 10:23:01 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:23:01 +0100 Subject: of interest to some Message-ID: >BBC Radio 1 axe Andy Kershaw show after 14 years >The UK's premier world music expert is to make way for "new DJs and new >forms of music"... >24 May 2000 I've emailed andy.parfitt@... - think that's correct - to complain and I'd encourage anyone else who cares about music to do likewise. If you want to be abusive then feel free as I was quite civil and he (hopefully he's the decision maker!) deserves some serious flak. I also removed the line "wouldn't know 'cutting-edge' if it was plunged between your shoulderblades" as I figured this could be construed as an offence... Stuart From jmsmall@... Fri May 26 16:02:56 2000 From: jmsmall@... (stig) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:02:56 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: of interest to some References: Message-ID: <392E8410.967C32A9@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > I've emailed andy.parfitt@... - think that's correct - to complain > and I'd encourage anyone else who cares about music to do likewise. Me too. Any ideas which regulatory body to complain to? After all, the BBC is supposed to be a public service, dedicated to diversity, choice, and serving the interests of ALL listeners, minorities included. The likes of Andy Parfitt seem to have conveniently forgotten about that. I guess we could try chris.smith@... (ha!) love from stig From Harmesh.Kumar@... Fri May 26 16:15:31 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:15:31 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: of interest to some Message-ID: I've sent a message to andy parfitt too. I also bcc'ed andy kershaw. I think kershaw should know what's happening here too. >-----Original Message----- >From: stig [SMTP:jmsmall@...] >Sent: 26 May, 2000 15:03 >To: peel@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [peel] Re: of interest to some > > > >
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> > > From Harmesh.Kumar@... Fri May 26 18:15:45 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: FW: Andy Kershaw Show Message-ID: fyi, Did anyone else receive a response? Harmesh >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Parfitt [SMTP:andy.parfitt@...] >Sent: 26 May, 2000 16:06 >To: Kumar, Harmesh >Subject: RE: Andy Kershaw Show > >I'm sorry Harmesh - it was a really difficult decision - I agree with much >that is said about Andy and his music. I have spent some time this week >discussing options for Andy K with my colleague Controllers at R3, R4 and >R2. All are enthusiastic about his talents, as I promise you I am too. I >cannot speak on their behalf and they will make their plans known in due >course. The point about Radio 1 is that its audience changes constantly and >new DJs and new forms of music are coming through too, this makes demands on >the Radio 1 schedule. (which is already packed with different and diverse >shows) Something has to give way and we have to move on. Today we announced >the line up of a new Thursday night schedule and I hope you'll appreciate >the range and calibre of what we have planned. Andy is a loss to Radio 1 but >the new series that starts in September will be a significant gain. > >Thanks for taking the trouble to mail me >Andy > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Mr. Parfitt, >> Why is the Andy Kershaw show being axed? >> Radio 1 will lose yet another listener!! >> >> Eager to know your plan of action to recruit listeners..... but I >> certainly won't find out through Radio 1 for sure. >> >> Disappointed, >> Harmesh Kumar > From jmsmall@... Fri May 26 18:20:20 2000 From: jmsmall@... (stig) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:20:20 +0100 Subject: [peel] FW: Andy Kershaw Show References: Message-ID: <392EA444.6DAFF404@...> "Kumar, Harmesh" wrote: > Did anyone else receive a response? Yes Harmesh, I got almost exactly the same thing. Interesting way for him to demonstrate his enthusiasm for Andy Kershaw, isn't it? Stig From Stuart@... Fri May 26 17:12:06 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:12:06 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 225 In-Reply-To: <959340327.7329@egroups.com> Message-ID: >Seems Andy Kershaw's contract came up for renewal. He was offered a >three month contract, after that he was to be replaced by a dance music >show. So he resigned. > >Public service broadcasting, don't you just love it With all the talk about music coming in cycles - can't remember how many years, but the theory that a pattern mapped by punk, then Madchester, then aci-eed house, implied that there was something due any time now to kick the music industry up the arse... where was I - ah yes, get the feeling that we're back in 1975 again? Not just the staleness of the music, but the dj's - R1 took pride in their pogrom of DLT and Bates and pals and all those 'jokes' about how DT didn't actually own any records and the obvious fact that they were all more bothered about the cults of their own personalities than the music. And what do we have now? Personality (read: ego)-driven shows like Sarah Cox, and Chris Moyles, and even the dance dj's who although they might have some interest in playing records are surely more interested in everyone having a bangin' time than the specifics of the music and artists. And as for Dave Pearce... and fake black boy presenters like Jules and Tong... and employing the likes of the Dream Team sounds like, to me at least, the age-old equivalent of your dad popping his head round the door and saying "that's got a good beat"... and the truly desperate attempts of Jo Whylie to become famous and her latest attempted makeover into sex-kitten on her telly show. Anyone else yearning for the Hairy Cornflake? S From janb@... Fri May 26 19:33:08 2000 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:33:08 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 225 References: Message-ID: <02fd01bfc73b$bdceae60$07887ed4@sidings1> ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart McHugh To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Digest Number 225 > Anyone else yearning for the Hairy Cornflake? No but I am longing for the Radio 1 that would have playlisted B&S before they won a brit rather than because (thats not to say that Legal Man isn't fandabbydosy because it is), didn't play the same pappy records as a million other commercial stations. That didn't look for new DJs on the TV, that had speech shows in the vein of Collins + Maconie's Hit Parade, Cling Film, Fist Of Fun etc, didn't push any alternative DJ/shows to the edge of the schedules and didn't have hour upon hour of mindless dance. -- Jan From daniel@... Fri May 26 20:07:41 2000 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:07:41 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 225 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Anyone else yearning for the Hairy Cornflake? > I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THE HAIRY CORNFLAKE IS OR WHO IT IS BUT I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT. The problem appears to be that there isn't much else out there. I had the misfortune to work a couple of nightshifts this week and was subjected to some dia local indiependant radio. The DJ's on this station couldn't even string 2 records to-gether. Seriously, there was 2 or 3 seconds of silence between tracks... Oh, and don't mail Chris Smith, they may realise theres something that somebody hasn't privatised yet and flog it off, lock, stock and 2 stinking DJs. Daniel. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FREE 16 track CD with Purchase at Virgin Megastore Online! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4208/2/_/522767/_/959360762/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From robfleay@... Fri May 26 18:25:38 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:25:38 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: of interest to some In-Reply-To: <392E8410.967C32A9@...> Message-ID: <001303140191a50DIAL1@...> > > Stuart McHugh wrote: > > I've emailed andy.parfitt@... - think that's correct - to complain > > and I'd encourage anyone else who cares about music to do likewise. > > Me too. et moi. I made the point that when he finally gets round to giving Peel the axe - it will mean I never have to listen to his shitty station ever again. ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From jmsmall@... Fri May 26 20:40:39 2000 From: jmsmall@... (stig) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:40:39 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 225 References: Message-ID: <392EC527.A5CEB6@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > employing the likes of the Dream Team sounds like, to me at least, the > age-old equivalent of your dad popping his head round the door and saying > "that's got a good beat"... You haven't met my dad... > Anyone else yearning for the Hairy Cornflake? Keep your filthy perversions to yourself you cheeky monkey Dirty love, Stig From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sat May 27 16:02:30 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 27 May 2000 14:02:30 GMT Subject: Re Kershaw Message-ID: <917470.580395457@...> Someone wrote: fake black boy presenters like Jules and Tong... Well that's bullshit for a start, I think you mean that tosser Westwood, who was apparently the inspiration for Ali G. You may not like the music Jules & Tong play, or the fact that some of those records sell millions, but there's nothing fake or racist about their shows, they play new dance stuff, like Peel often before the records come out, if they ever do come out. They're certainly open about being middle class white boys! I do agree that axing AK is a bad thing, though! Cheers! Rocker, rocker@... From edblackmore@... Sun May 28 05:21:09 2000 From: edblackmore@... (Ed Blackmore) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:21:09 +0000 Subject: Andy Kershaw Message-ID: Dear Andy Parfitt, I write in complaint to the sacking of Andy Kershaw this week. After fourteen years of rough treatment by successive Radio One controllers he's to lose his two hours a week. With this inclusion on Andy's world music show, Radio One had a fine selection of 'specialist' radio shows. I hope to hell you'll be leaving John Peel alone. I just can't see how another two hours of 'graveyard' shift airtime will add to the mainstream Radio One that consists of 'DJing by numbers' pop (Clive Warren, Simon Mayo, TOTP and Top 40), dumb pop (Sara Cox / Zoe Ball), offensive pop (Chris Moyles), good comedy let down by playlist restrictions (Mark & Lard) and 'screaming down the phone' dance/pop (dave peirce). Radio One still has some kind of reputation for an individual DJs selection of music, though now you won't even playlist Belle and Sebastian without a brit award. As Andy's replacement is a 'dance show' I take it that you're idea of a 'cutting edge' station is something like Kiss FM, only instead of the commercials we get feature length trailers for a 'loved-up parade' that's not happening for another seven weeks. Like many of my friends, bitter, and very dissapointed, Ed Blackmore. ================================================= Ed Blackmore, 2nd Year Computation UMIST ================================================= please goto 'D.A.T.A. [for a fan]': http://website.lineone.net/~dataforafan/ From ivanix@... Sun May 28 11:51:34 2000 From: ivanix@... (ivan thomasz) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:51:34 +0800 Subject: [peel] Andy Kershaw & the Hairy Cornflake References: Message-ID: <000c01bfc88a$89acaba0$cb7874cb@...> Hullo, For those who who don't know already, the Hairy Cornflake is none other than that utterly vile scourge of the BBC Wild Service (as HC called it), Mr.Jolly Good Show, Dave Lee Travis, esquire. Just thought you'd like to know. We used to get him over here in Singapore on Saturday afternoons at about 0815 GMT. We listened to his show cos there wasn't any decent request shows going on in local radio at the time (there still aren't any). We just get mostly braindead totally robotic programmed local radio. Cornflakes notwithstanding, we put on the Jolly Good Show just to hear the odd request for Ziggy Stardust or Talking Heads' Burning Down The House amidst the usual demands for Top 40 sludge like Whiney Houseperson or the Backside Boys. DLT's sense of humour is as his detractors' nickname for him suggests, and on some occasions it was worth putting up with for 15 minutes or so until he played a really brilliant song like Blue Monday that we just never get to hear anymore on any of the Singapore stations. Here in balmy (barmy?) old Singapore you've got to get your kicks wherever you may find them as they're extremely few and far between. So you lot in Dear Old Blighty ought to count yer blessin's, ay? Anyway, if Andy Kershaw's show gets the boot from Radio 1, it probably means we won't get to hear him on the World Service(study this well, DLT) anymore, either. Shame, shame, shame on the beeb. Let's all flood Andy Parfitt's mailbox with piles of putrid codfish. Ivan From ivanix@... Sun May 28 12:14:17 2000 From: ivanix@... (ivan thomasz) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:14:17 +0800 Subject: Fw: [peel] Andy Kershaw Message-ID: <000001bfc88e$bed36720$567b74cb@...> Dear Mr Andy Parfitt, I second Mr. Blackmore's view on the Beeb's decision to let Andy Kershaw go. If it means that we in East Asia won't get to hear the very learned and heartwarming Mr Kershaw's voice and his extraordinary choice of music on the World Service anymore, then all I can say is shame shame shame on the BBC. Please reconsider your decision for the sake of lovers of remarkable and at many times deeply moving music often played by Kershaw on his show. A loyal but very disappointed fan of the World Service, Ivan Thomasz Singapore ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Blackmore To: andy.parfitt@... Cc: john.peel@... ; andy.kershaw@....uk ; mark.radcliffe@... ; jo.whiley@... ; peel@egroups.com Sent: 28 May 2000 11:21 Subject: [peel] Andy Kershaw Dear Andy Parfitt, I write in complaint to the sacking of Andy Kershaw this week. After fourteen years of rough treatment by successive Radio One controllers he's to lose his two hours a week. With this inclusion on Andy's world music show, Radio One had a fine selection of 'specialist' radio shows. I hope to hell you'll be leaving John Peel alone. I just can't see how another two hours of 'graveyard' shift airtime will add to the mainstream Radio One that consists of 'DJing by numbers' pop (Clive Warren, Simon Mayo, TOTP and Top 40), dumb pop (Sara Cox / Zoe Ball), offensive pop (Chris Moyles), good comedy let down by playlist restrictions (Mark & Lard) and 'screaming down the phone' dance/pop (dave peirce). Radio One still has some kind of reputation for an individual DJs selection of music, though now you won't even playlist Belle and Sebastian without a brit award. As Andy's replacement is a 'dance show' I take it that you're idea of a 'cutting edge' station is something like Kiss FM, only instead of the commercials we get feature length trailers for a 'loved-up parade' that's not happening for another seven weeks. Like many of my friends, bitter, and very dissapointed, Ed Blackmore. ================================================= Ed Blackmore, 2nd Year Computation UMIST ================================================= please goto 'D.A.T.A. [for a fan]': http://website.lineone.net/~dataforafan/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From janb@... Sun May 28 12:25:04 2000 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:25:04 +0100 Subject: [peel] Andy Kershaw References: Message-ID: <010801bfc891$978d5ba0$c7847ed4@sidings1> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Blackmore To: Cc: ; ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 4:21 AM Subject: [peel] Andy Kershaw > Dear Andy Parfitt, > I just can't see how another two hours of 'graveyard' shift airtime will add > to the mainstream Radio One that consists of 'DJing by numbers' pop > (Clive Warren, Simon Mayo, TOTP and Top 40), I always stick up for Simon Mayo because I have always found his show enjoyable whatever anybody says about him. He may not have the greatest music taste but it is a lot better than the playlist. He has the 9-12 slot down to a tee and to me it is the only daytime show I will actively try and listen to apart from Mark n Lard. Certainly to compare him to CW, TOTP and the Top 40 is insulting. -- Jan From patrick@... Sun May 28 23:46:57 2000 From: patrick@... (patrick@...) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:46:57 -0000 Subject: another nail in the coffin Message-ID: <8gs44h+1ctb@...> For what it's worth I e-mailed Andy Parfitt and said pretty much what the rest of you have said: however, not knowing anything about the running or financing of individual programmes, I suggested that he could have financed a better deal for AK by firing (oops sorry, downsizing) two or three people out of the "posses". In no particular order, Comatose Dave off the truly shocking Moyles show, anybody who had a hand in the ZB show (they all got money for old rope for the duration of that fiasco) and any two out of the three dudes in The Dream Team. No offence, they're probably all nice enough folk if you met them in the street, but if any of these people were "disappeared" I hardly think there would be the fuss there is just now. Anyway, I've been on for too long, and probably upset somebody, so I'll shut up. Thanks for reading. From mozy@... Mon May 29 00:51:15 2000 From: mozy@... (Maureen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:51:15 +0100 Subject: [peel] another nail in the coffin References: <8gs44h+1ctb@...> Message-ID: <3931A2E3.8BBB4453@...> patrick@... wrote: > > For what it's worth I e-mailed Andy Parfitt and said pretty much what > the rest of you have said: however, not knowing anything about the > running or financing of individual programmes, I suggested that he > could have financed a better deal for AK by firing (oops sorry, > downsizing) two or three people out of the "posses". In no particular > order, Comatose Dave off the truly shocking Moyles show, anybody who > had a hand in the ZB show (they all got money for old rope for the > duration of that fiasco) and any two out of the three dudes in The > Dream Team. No offence, they're probably all nice enough folk if you > met them in the street, but if any of these people were "disappeared" > I hardly think there would be the fuss there is just now. Nice maybe, but so commonplace. And that's the thing about DJs like Peel and Kershaw: they offer something different from what is becoming the norm at the BBC. For those of us who appreciate a more wide-ranging choise of music, they occupy a special place and that's why we have the current furore. After all, who kicked up a fuss when Zoe Ball left? Maureen From Stuart@... Sun May 28 15:44:43 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:44:43 +0100 Subject: FW: Andy Kershaw Show Message-ID: >> Did anyone else receive a response? >Yes Harmesh, I got almost exactly the same thing. Looks strangely familiar - I was impressed that least he'd taken the trouble to reply (and to be fair, he could have ignored my mail entirely) but it doesn't seem quite as listener friendly when you learn that it was just a cut'n'paste job. Stuart From dave@... Mon May 29 11:45:30 2000 From: dave@... (Dave) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:45:30 +0100 Subject: [peel] Re: FW: Andy Kershaw Show References: Message-ID: <000901bfc952$a18655a0$9f8693c3@global> Hmm. . . He didn't reply to mine. Maybe I'll recieve a sumons through the post or somthing. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart McHugh To: peel@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: [peel] Re: FW: Andy Kershaw Show >> Did anyone else receive a response? >Yes Harmesh, I got almost exactly the same thing. Looks strangely familiar - I was impressed that least he'd taken the trouble to reply (and to be fair, he could have ignored my mail entirely) but it doesn't seem quite as listener friendly when you learn that it was just a cut'n'paste job. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From timw@... Mon May 29 13:26:50 2000 From: timw@... (mit.whitehouse) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:26:50 +0100 Subject: [peel] Digest Number 228 References: <959596927.27327@egroups.com> Message-ID: <000001bfc968$28cbf460$8e3529d4@tim> In no particular > order, Comatose Dave off the truly shocking Moyles show, No keep Comedy Dave he's fantastic, he's like those two kids in the audience of Lollapalooza in the Simpsons who don't know if they are being sarcastic or not. Kick off the fat loud mouth. In fact just kick off all the afternoon people and let Mark and Lard do it all and be able to choose every other song themselves. tim From Stuart@... Mon May 29 19:20:54 2000 From: Stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:20:54 +0100 Subject: Andy Kershaw Message-ID: >I always stick up for Simon Mayo because I have always found his show >enjoyable whatever anybody says about him. He may not have the greatest >music taste but it is a lot better than the playlist. He has the 9-12 slot >down to a tee and to me it is the only daytime show I will actively try and >listen to apart from Mark n Lard. Certainly to compare him to CW, TOTP and >the Top 40 is insulting. People often forget that he used to do the Evening Session (easy given his standing amongst the likes of Zoe Ball as 'tv personality') and therefore has knowkedge and some interest in indie music (he's been into the Delgados for a while now; he planned on having a Delgados track from Peloton as his Record of the Week but the BBC chiefs stopped him as it wasn't daytime-friendly enough). That and his constant squeezing the Smiths and occasional Dead Kennedys into his Mystery Years plus playing the wrong' versions of various rap tracks makes his show worth a listen. Stuart http://www.jockrock.org From Harmesh.Kumar@... Tue May 30 10:22:31 2000 From: Harmesh.Kumar@... (Kumar, Harmesh) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:22:31 +0100 Subject: FW: Andy Kershaw Show Message-ID: This is my second response from Andy Parfitt. He sent it after I left work on Friday evening. I asked him whether he would mind if I posted his first response on the Peel list. Harmesh >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Parfitt [SMTP:andy.parfitt@...] >Sent: 26 May, 2000 17:41 >To: Kumar, Harmesh >Subject: RE: Andy Kershaw Show > >Harmesh > >certainly - I am happy if you would forward this on - as I hope you can tell >- I am genuinely concerned that Andy's fans understand that decisions aren't >taken without thought or without consultation with the other networks > >thanks for your reply > >Andy > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kumar, Harmesh [SMTP:Harmesh.Kumar@...] >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:18 PM >> To: 'Andy Parfitt' >> Subject: RE: Andy Kershaw Show >> >> Andy, >> I appreciate you are a busy man, so thank you for taking the time to >> reply. >> I hope you don't mind, but I would like to post your response to a >> mailing list of Mr. Kershaw's listeners. I will wait to allow you to >> decline this proposal, otherwise I will forward the email. >> >> Please let me know. >> >> Thanks again for your time. >> >> Regards, >> Harmesh Kumar > From dave@... Tue May 30 19:24:41 2000 From: dave@... (Dave) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:24:41 +0100 Subject: Fw: Andy Kershaw Message-ID: <000b01bfca5c$026a8300$91a993c3@global> I though I'd forward this, because everyone else has :o) My letter to Mr Parfitt wasn't quite as polite, but I think it was valid Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Parfitt To: 'Dave' Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Andy Kershaw > Dave - no other station in the UK has made anything like the commitment that > Radio 1 has to specialist music - We have Dance shows (some more mainstream, > some not) , a Rock show, a Drum n Bass show, Hip Hop, Reggae, RnB, John > Peel's mix, The Session, in Scotland, Ireland and Wales we have our own > Thursday sessions - we broadcast documentaries and features and support Live > music like no one else - AK was a really hard decision to make, but one of > the factors about Radio 1 is that its audience changes constantly and new > DJs and new forms of music are coming through too, this makes demands on the > Radio 1 schedule, there's a limit to what can be done. Something has to give > way and we have to move on. Andy is a loss to Radio 1 but the new series > that starts in September will be a significant gain. > > Thanks for taking the trouble to mail me > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave [SMTP:jhull@...] > > Sent: 27 May 2000 14:31 > > To: andy.parfitt@... > > Subject: Andy Kershaw > > > > Dear Mr Radio God-type-person > > Do you really believe that your station is "already packed with different > > and diverse shows"? What planet are you on? Radio 1 during the day is > > unlistennable to anyone with their own music taste (rather than one > > dictated > > to them by the likes of you). If people want to listen to bubblegum pop > > music or endless mainstream rock they can listen to commercial radio > > stations that have to fight for ratings to please advertisers. Your > > station > > is supposed to be a PUBLIC SERVICE designed to cater for ALL tastes as > > diverse as they are. As is stands, all diversity has been pushed back into > > the middle of the night, and it doesn't appear to be stopping there. The > > removal of Andy Kasho is a crime against music broadcasting. Where now can > > we go to hear the sort of records Andy was playing? > > > > Ok, I'll leave it there before I say something that I might regret, but > > you > > should be aware of the fact that if you ever try to axe John Peel, your > > station will lose more listeners than you ever knew it had. > > > > David Hull > > Age 16 > > Norfolk > > jhull@... > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. > From kimhl@... Tue May 30 19:59:25 2000 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:59:25 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [peel] Fw: Andy Kershaw In-Reply-To: <000b01bfca5c$026a8300$91a993c3@global> Message-ID: I'll add my reply to the pile: Interesting that Andy Parfitt keeps pointing out that the Radio 1 audience is constantly changing - I would be willing to bet that Andy Kershaw's programme has had a loyal and long-standing audience - perhaps if Radio 1 stopped surfing the trends and concentrated more on the quality of programming they wouldn't have such a transient audience. The point I tried to make in my email to him was that programmes such as Andy Kershaw's give that transient youthful audience the opportunity to discover a whole new world of music they can enjoy for life. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sorry Kim - it was a really difficult decision - I have spent time last week discussing options for Andy K with my colleague Controllers at R3, R4 and R2. as you say he is just the kind of presenter who ought to be on the BBC. All are enthusiastic about his talents, as I promise you I am too. I cannot speak on their behalf and they will make their plans known in due course. The point about Radio 1 is that its audience changes constantly and new DJs and new forms of music are coming through too, this makes demands on the Radio 1 schedule. (which is already packed with different and diverse shows) Something has to give way and at some point we have to move on. Last week we announced the line up of a new Thursday night schedule and I hope you will appreciate the range and calibre of what we have planned. Andy is a loss to Radio 1 but the new series that starts in September will be a significant gain. Thanks for taking the trouble to mail me Andy ---------------------- Kim Harrison-Lavoie kimhl@... From edblackmore@... Wed May 31 00:18:50 2000 From: edblackmore@... (Ed Blackmore) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:18:50 +0000 Subject: Andy Kershaw Message-ID: Dear Andy, Thankyou for replying to my email. I have a few points in reply: 1. You have failed to explain why it is necessary to clear Andy's 2 hours of airtime to add your 'cutting edge' radio. You appear to like his style of show. Are listening figures falling, or do you think you can add a more diverse show. 2. You say that musical trends are constantly changing, but this isn't the case for Andy Kershaw's show. He hasn't changed in 14 years, and he has a loyal fanbase of dedicated fans. Perhaps if you were to care more about loyal and long-term Radio One listeners, people would stay listening to Radio One. 3. Why are you advertising Radio One so much on Radio One, it's supposed to be a non-commercial station. There's the 'loved-up parade' which you're broadcasting trailers on air for seven weeks before the event!, and that 'Basement Jac's' live event trailer that was over a minute long, and included the words "radio one" about 30 times. It's not long before Radio One will turn rename itself 'Today's best music and non-stop hits Radio One 97 to 88 FM", and say that mouthfull everytime you mean Radio One, like the commercial stations. I know you're going to send out your generic reply again and not care what you're minority listeners think. I will not stop emailing until you give satisfactory answers to may questions. I'm a student, I have lots of time, and care about good music. Ed Blackmore. ================================================= Ed Blackmore, 2nd Year Computation UMIST ================================================= please goto 'D.A.T.A. [for a fan]': http://website.lineone.net/~dataforafan/ From edblackmore@... Wed May 31 00:18:50 2000 From: edblackmore@... (Ed Blackmore) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:18:50 +0000 Subject: appology to Simon Mayo Message-ID: > >I always stick up for Simon Mayo When I wrote my original email I couldn't remember the names of 'DJing by numbers' DJs at Radio One, so I threw Simon Mayo in. I was meaning people like scott mills, and jamie theakston. I actuallly like SM, when he's not spitefully towards the countryside alliance, but that's another issue, for less troubled times. I suggest that we all email John Peel prior to Thursday night and ask him to play the same song dedicated to Andy at the end of the show. Perhaps Bob Dylan, anyone got any ideas?? Perhaps Waren Zevon, "Back in the High Life Again" (as in "I'll be Back in ...") It seems rather fitting. Ed ================================================= Ed Blackmore, 2nd Year Computation UMIST ================================================= please goto 'D.A.T.A. [for a fan]': http://website.lineone.net/~dataforafan/ From aidan@... Wed May 31 16:00:14 2000 From: aidan@... (Aidan Warner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:00:14 +0100 Subject: Francis Wheen's Guardian column today... Message-ID: <39351AEEDC.13CFAIDAN@...> (Personally, I'm much more concerned about the crappy, repetitive playlist, and the times to which decent presenters are exiled, than specialist dance music shows, but anyway...) http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,326631,00.html Radio ga-ga On the dumping of Andy Kershaw | where bobos really come from? Wednesday May 31, 2000 Radio ga-ga Over the bank holiday weekend the BBC was blowing its own trumpet fortissimo, claiming that the "Music Live" extravaganza demonstrated its unflagging passion for music-making of every kind. How odd, then, that Radio 1 chose this moment to sack Andy Kershaw, who embodies that enthusiasm and eclecticism. "Kershaw is the undisputed expert in his sphere," the station's controller, Andy Parfitt, announced last week, "but there are always new DJs and new forms of music looking to break on to a packed Radio 1 schedule. It is essential that Radio 1 keeps moving and keeps changing . . ." If only it would. In 15 years at the station, Kershaw never ceased to seek out and promote new talent from all over the world. Under the dead hand of Parfitt, however, the rest of Radio 1 has become rigidly formulaic and narrow-minded, with a daytime menu of boy-bands and girl-bands to attract the pre-pubescents, followed in the evenings by "indie sounds", hardcore hip-hop and dance music. Parfitt has something of an obsession with dance music. Though in reality he's a 41-year-old suit, his alter ego is Kevin the Teenager - or perhaps Ravey Davey Gravy, the Smurf-hatted berk from Viz magazine, who is continually mistaking the noise of reversing lorries, police sirens and pneumatic drills for the latest block-rocking beat. ("Oowa! Kickin' it large! Give us the bass in m'face!") Like all truly ridiculous characters, Parfitt is bliss fully unaware of his own absurdity. As one BBC colleague told me, "he's the embarrassing uncle disco-dancing at a wedding reception". Since Parfitt took charge a couple of years ago, the Kershaw show has been consigned to a graveyard slot between midnight and 2am on Thursdays. Now we are told that the "packed Radio 1 schedule" cannot accommodate even this smidgin of musical diversity. It isn't only Kershaw who has been expelled: Parfitt has also effectively axed the dozens of artists who were championed by Kershaw and might not otherwise have been heard at all on "the nation's favourite music station" - figures as various as Youssou N'Dour, Kate Rusby, Pops Staples, Liza Carthy and Richard Thompson. Kershaw's final programme, last Thursday night, was a fitting monument to his infectious pluralism. Where else on Radio 1 would you hear, in one show, music from Sierra Leone, Sweden, Zimbabwe and, er, the Isle of Man? Which other DJ would include, as if they were the most natural companions in the world, songs from Big Joe Turner, George Formby, Emmylou Harris and the Rebirth Brass Band of New Orleans? ("Dance music - I'll show you dance music!" Kershaw growled.) There was also a memorably magnificent session from Warren Zevon, who joked to his host that "I haven't been burdened with a great deal of commercial success". No doubt the wretched Parfitt regards Zevon's remark as a damning confession: I wonder if Greg Dyke, the new director-general, would agree. In the very week of Music Live, is he happy to learn that Radio 1 has abolished the one remaining programme which actually broadcasts live performances by neglected geniuses, in order to make yet more room for computer-generated monotony? Parfitt has been described as "a forgettable little squirt who rose without trace" - from a radio station in the Falkland Islands, apparently. Is it too much to hope he will soon be sent back? Or, failing that, be pensioned off to Ibiza, where he can "have it large to the totally banging Balearic Bora-Bora" all night long? From kalk1@... Wed May 31 17:33:32 2000 From: kalk1@... (Dr Kerry Knight) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:33:32 +0100 Subject: appology to Simon Mayo References: <959773736.2203@egroups.com> Message-ID: <393530CA.F4F4E284@...> > > > > I suggest that we all email John Peel prior to Thursday night and ask > him to play the same song dedicated to Andy at the end of the show. > Perhaps Bob Dylan, anyone got any ideas?? > Perhaps Waren Zevon, "Back in the High Life Again" (as in "I'll be > Back in ...") It seems rather fitting. > Ed > Good idea. How about something by the Oldham Tinkers? A fine old English Gentleman? Kerry. From robfleay@... Wed May 31 17:56:17 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:56:17 +0100 Subject: [peel] Fw: Andy Kershaw In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bfca5c$026a8300$91a993c3@global> Message-ID: <0b2cf4854191f50DIAL4@...> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1719 bytes Desc: not available URL: