From stuart@... Thu Jan 6 17:56:51 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:56:51 -0800 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.150.523.959309995@...> What was THAT all about? No wonder Peelie has to play it in groups of 5, his nerves must be shattered wondering what atrocity's going to come next! I don't mind Nick Drake and can see why he's appered in the chart, and the Velvets have a 'traditional-alternative' feel to them, but the Beach Boys and the Beatles??? The weirdest thing is that these artists would have been scorned even in the 1976 poll! This is precisely the kind of stuff that punk came along to clean out. I can only assme that the Beatles have been put there by people to embarassed to vote for Oasis. And if I find out that any Peel list subscribers voted for THAT record, there'll be big trouble! Ahem. Outburst over... for now... S (taste moderator, peel@onelist.com) From andys@... Thu Jan 6 13:37:10 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:37:10 GMT Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.150.524.959309995@...> Happy new year everyone. Anyone got any opinions on the Festive 50 1999? I thought it was a bit poor until it got to the top 15 or so, it seemed to have been a bit of a weak year, although when I went back to my tape of part 1 I found lots of stuff I liked. A bit lacking in great songs I'd say, and I still don't like the Cuban Boys. The all-time F50's been fun so far, apart from that interminable Bob Dylan track. I wonder how many votes it took to get a track into the 50 given the huge number of possibilities. Andy From tim.whitehouse@... Thu Jan 6 14:45:59 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:45:59 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.150.525.959309995@...> > Drake and can see why he's appered in the chart, and the Velvets have a > 'traditional-alternative' feel to them, but the Beach Boys and the I really thought Heroin should have been in the top 10. It doesn't sound like it was made in the 60s. The Beatles were pretty inevitable and I would expect one song per set of 5. Maybe he should have limited bands to just 3 songs or something. From andys@... Fri Jan 7 10:54:40 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:54:40 GMT Subject: That all-time Festive 50 again Message-ID: <76369.151.526.959309995@...> I've no objection to the Beatles being on the F50, I may even have voted for one of their tracks (ahem) although my vote was a bit ill-thought-out and I thought of loads of better choices as soon as I heard PJ Harvey in the first set. But, listening back to 45-41 last night it occurred to me that if there's a pretty obscure (to me at least) Dylan track in the lower reaches we could have a lot more to come. Frightening. And I can't be doing with Nick Drake. I tried to convince my girlfriend it was Belle and Sebastian but she reckoned it was someone doing a third-rate copy. I can see why the Velvet Underground are there, and I'm sure Heroin was a very ground-breaking track at the time but to me it means not much. We've heard so much of that sort of thing since, and really it's not much cop as a song, is it? The Beach Boys track at 41 was a real surprise. Still, we can't moan about stuff from the 60's getting in. Give that we voted in 1999 surely it'd be an equal sin if God Save The Queen was in there? (Despite 1977 forming the basic template for most of today's safe Evening Session-friendly indie rock). Andy From stuart@... Fri Jan 7 16:35:04 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 15:35:04 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.151.527.959309995@...> >I really thought Heroin should have been in the top 10. It doesn't sound >like it was made in the 60s. >The Beatles were pretty inevitable and I would expect one song per set of 5. god I hope not... and I don't honestly think that will happen. I think Peel's listenership isn't as retro as you might imagine and I also don't think that there are as many old-timers left, though I think that Dylan record might have been some sort of hangover from the 60's. As I said before, if you look at the all-time charts from the 70's/80's they're very 'alternative' in that they're full of stuff like the Smiths, Pistols etc... now, I don't know if the Smiths will have stood the test of time, that kind of thing will be more interesting than anything else for yer anal chart-watcher. Anyway, it was a joy (or a relief?) to hear New Rose last night... but "The Classical"? This is probably my 39th favourite Fall song ever, so it should be interesting to hear the top 40 of the chart. "Heads of Dead Surfers" anyone. >Maybe he should have limited bands to just 3 songs or something. Hmm, a bit draconian... but if it limited the guff that was in the chart so far then I'd approve! Maybe I'm being over-analytical? S From sheetals@... Fri Jan 7 19:15:20 2000 From: sheetals@... (Sheetal Singh) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:15:20 -0800 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.151.528.959309995@...> Am I the only one who is boggled by the thought of compiling an all time f50 list? I can't imagine that there would be enough consensus to be able to rank 50 songs...There must be at least 20 songs that all had 2 votes or something... -sheetal From tim.whitehouse@... Fri Jan 7 21:42:58 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:42:58 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.152.529.959309995@...> > Am I the only one who is boggled by the thought of compiling an all time f50 > list? I can't imagine that there would be enough consensus to be able to > rank 50 songs...There must be at least 20 songs that all had 2 votes or > something... > Its a conspiracy! From troche@... Sat Jan 8 15:53:17 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:53:17 -0500 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.152.530.959309995@...> Well yes, a song like "Walrus" may have been overplayed in its day, and then overplayed some more after its day, but time moves on and I liked hearing it again on the AllTime Festive Fifty... once. I also am enjoying the surprise factor.... As long as Peel puts some of these semi-tired old chestnuts in some sort of perspective - and the perspective he brings across 5 decades of music is the primary selling point of his show to me - then I dont mind at all this comparatively brief exercise in nostalgia. Real old timers might have at one time wondered how radio could ever stop playing Benny Goodman or Frank Sinatra all the time, but time passes and even the Beatles and the Beach Boys will evetually fade away to a large degree. There is certain to be some vote-getters in the next few shows that John particularly disdains, and he will indeed let us know, and it will make for fine radio. tom in atlanta From tim.whitehouse@... Sat Jan 8 20:09:27 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:09:27 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.152.531.959309995@...> > There is certain to be some vote-getters in the next few shows that John particularly disdains, and he will indeed let us know, and it will make for fine radio. > Can someone please type up the 50-46. Purlease. I went out and forgot to record it. tim From jhull@... Sun Jan 9 14:42:12 2000 From: jhull@... (Dave) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:42:12 -0000 Subject: bloody advertising! Message-ID: <76369.153.532.959309995@...> Is this stupid scratch card thing at the bottom these messages annoying anyone else, coz it's certainly getting on my tits! Dave PS sorry for the irrelevance From R.Hibbitt@... Tue Jan 4 17:17:32 2000 From: R.Hibbitt@... (Richard Hibbitt) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2000 16:17:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.153.533.959309995@...> I don't think that anybody can add to Tom Roche's view of the chart -it saya it all. On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:53:17 -0500 Tom Roche wrote: > From: Tom Roche > > > > Well yes, a song like "Walrus" may have been overplayed in its day, and then overplayed some more after its day, but time moves on and I liked hearing it again on the AllTime Festive Fifty... once. I also am enjoying the surprise factor.... > > As long as Peel puts some of these semi-tired old chestnuts in some sort of perspective - and the perspective he brings across 5 decades of music is the primary selling point of his show to me - then I dont mind at all this comparatively brief exercise in nostalgia. > > Real old timers might have at one time wondered how radio could ever stop playing Benny Goodman or Frank Sinatra all the time, but time passes and even the Beatles and the Beach Boys will evetually fade away to a large degree. > > There is certain to be some vote-getters in the next few shows that John particularly disdains, and he will indeed let us know, and it will make for fine radio. > > > tom in atlanta > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------- Richard Hibbitt r.hibbitt@... From keith@... Mon Jan 10 16:09:32 2000 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:09:32 +0000 Subject: bloody advertising! Message-ID: <76369.154.534.959309995@...> > Is this stupid scratch card thing at the bottom these messages >annoying anyone else, coz it's certainly getting on my tits! scratch card???? eh? well, i for one hadn't even noticed. so i guess no. ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From keith@... Mon Jan 10 16:11:10 2000 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:11:10 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.154.535.959309995@...> it's a strange one, this poll...... a funny mix of very peel type stuff (fall, pjh, buckley, damned) and so-called "classics" from the 60s and 70s* (beach boys, beatles). like any of these charts, it only really tells you something about what cross-section of people voted! and john peel himself has already expressed some bafflement and disappointment in the choices made. now we've seen a bit of the chart, anyone care to bet on the number one? "what difference does it make"? "anarchy in the uk"? "gigantic"? "blue monday"? or will everyone have gone for "teenage kicks" after being repeatedly told by peel that this is the best song ever...? *it's this concept of the Classic that i think many of us find distasteful.... i'm digging my own grave here, but i REALLY honestly think Yesterday, Bohemian Rhapsody, Waterloo Sunset, Imagine, Space Oddity ARE good songs/recordings. [i have no time for beach boys or rolling stones, but i'm sure people could suggest Classics from them too....] BUT my point is that - although none of these songs come even close to being my favourites ever - they are the kind of songs that suggest themselves to people automatically. we are brainwashed into believing that the beatles were the best ever etc.... and not putting effort into thinking hard about which songs mean something to ourselves. i suppose it comes down to a kind of laziness, really........ perhaps.. the lack of electronic/dance songs in this chart - why is that? is it because these are not tinged by the curse of the Classic? and also the ones that float to the top in polls like this because they have reached such a huge population. (how many people will vote for an obscure Pavement b-side, no matter how amazing it is?) - the interesting choices will only get one vote each, so disappear into oblivion....... ["ha! you're wasting your vote mate!" people used to say to me when i voted for the green party in some election....] so the System encourages people to go for non-wasted votes, ie to conform.... no? somebody was asking how many votes the songs in lower reaches were getting. i would be interested to know how many people voted in total... i share stuart's feeling that the Beatles have been strangely (and undeservedly) immortalised in history as something MUCH more special than they actually are. MOST of their stuff is bloody AWFUL, and they are nowhere near as original/groundbreaking as people believe; but there are a few great songs in there too, honestly..... well, whatever... however - i AM finding it highly entertaining! ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From keith@... Mon Jan 10 16:11:19 2000 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:11:19 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.154.536.959309995@...> >And if I find out that any Peel list subscribers voted for THAT record, >there'll be big trouble! er..... so: which IS "that" record? ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From tim.whitehouse@... Mon Jan 10 16:22:22 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:22:22 -0000 Subject: bloody advertising! Message-ID: <76369.154.537.959309995@...> > scratch card???? > eh? > > well, i for one hadn't even noticed. so i guess no. > It was on the advert bit at the bottom. You had to be online while reading the posts. It was quite fun for a few seconds. From tim.whitehouse@... Mon Jan 10 16:25:51 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:25:51 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.154.538.959309995@...> > now we've seen a bit of the chart, > anyone care to bet on the number one? > "what difference does it make"? "anarchy in the uk"? "gigantic"? "blue > monday"? > or will everyone have gone for "teenage kicks" after being repeatedly told > by peel that this is the best song ever...? I think it could be Love Will Tear Us Apart because everyone seems to love Joy Division these days and it was there most popular song wasn't it? Anyway what would I know i'm 16. It'll probably be Teenage Kicks though or again because of Peel Captain Beefheart or the Fall. From dodgefromgrange@... Mon Jan 10 18:09:20 2000 From: dodgefromgrange@... (The Artful Dodger) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:09:20 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.154.539.959309995@...> > now we've seen a bit of the chart, > anyone care to bet on the number one? I'd have an each way bet on Smells like Teen Spirit. What were 40-36? I'll be waiting an age for the shows webpage to be updated. Kevin. _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com From R.Hibbitt@... Tue Jan 4 11:41:39 2000 From: R.Hibbitt@... (Richard Hibbitt) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2000 10:41:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.540.959309995@...> > > now we've seen a bit of the chart, > > anyone care to bet on the number one? > > I'd have an each way bet on Smells like Teen Spirit. > What were 40-36? I'll be waiting an age for the shows > webpage to be updated. > > Kevin. >From Richard in Norwich 40 Tim Buckley -Song To The Siren 39 The Damned -New Rose 38 The Fall -The Classical 37 Jimi Hendrix Experience - All Along The Watchtower 36 Stereolab -French Disko My imaginary money for number one is on 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out'. For some reason I think that it will get more votes than than 'How Soon Is Now' - because it's a bit more upbeat? But it all depends -as everybody's noted- on the people who voted: the people who came of age with punk, or with Joy Division, or with The Smiths, or Nirvana, perhaps. What interests me is whether the appeal of punk/new wave was more ephemeral, more to do with being young/there at the time. Did the people who voted for all those punk/new wave tunes in 1982 now vote for Nick Drake etc. because they've mellowed with age? (if they voted at all). And I'm just as biased -I was 17 when 'The Queen Is Dead' came out. Richard ---------------------- Richard Hibbitt r.hibbitt@... From tim.whitehouse@... Mon Jan 10 19:55:44 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:55:44 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.541.959309995@...> > I'd have an each way bet on Smells like Teen Spirit. Do people still like that? I'm very much an obsessive Nirvana/Kurt fan but everytime I listen to Nevermind I skip it, normally without thinking about it. I voted for Heart-Shaped Box. From Leigh.Maude@... Tue Jan 11 16:31:21 2000 From: Leigh.Maude@... (Leigh.Maude@...) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:31:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: '99 Festive Fifity Message-ID: <76369.155.542.959309995@...> Hi , I've recorded the '99 FF on MiniDisc for the first time this year, I've been recording them for about 15 years now and i'm 'trying' to record the 99 all time FF too!. Anway I wondered if anyone here also recorded it on MiniDisc and would be willing to duplicate the top 14 in return for a blank MD of course. I had to record those off a ghetto blaster in the back of the car and got crappy reception. Any help would be appeciated! Cheers, Leigh Maude leigh.maude@... From dodgefromgrange@... Tue Jan 11 17:23:19 2000 From: dodgefromgrange@... (The Artful Dodger) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:23:19 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.543.959309995@...> >From: "tim.whitehouse" > >> I'd have an each way bet on Smells like Teen Spirit. > >Do people still like that? I don't know maybe your right. I certainly wouldn't have voted for it, it just seems to be the sort of thing with a suitably broad appeal to make it to the top ten. Kevin _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com From daniel@... Tue Jan 11 19:33:50 2000 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:33:50 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.544.959309995@...> >> >>> I'd have an each way bet on Smells like Teen Spirit. >> >>Do people still like that? > >I don't know maybe your right. I certainly wouldn't have voted for it, it just >seems to be the sort of thing with a suitably broad appeal to make it to the top >ten. > I had the misfortune of listening to Radio One listens poll on New Years eve on the way to Brighton. It was the Top 30 of the 90's or something. I think it may have actually been of all time, but guess what was number one ??? Somebody somewhere must still listen to it !! DBoy. From tim.whitehouse@... Tue Jan 11 21:14:35 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:14:35 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.545.959309995@...> > I had the misfortune of listening to Radio One listens poll on New Years > eve on the way to Brighton. It was the Top 30 of the 90's or something. > I think it may have actually been of all time, but guess what was number > one ??? > Somebody somewhere must still listen to it !! > Oh yeah it was definitely the most 'important' song of the 90s, so deserves that kind of thing. But as a Nirvana track I always thought it was far from their best. From troche@... Wed Jan 12 03:20:31 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:20:31 -0500 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.155.546.959309995@...> At 3:48 AM -0500 1/10/0, peel@onelist.com wrote: >Subject: > >I don't think that anybody can add to Tom Roche's view of >the chart -it says it all. Well hell, let's just pack up and go home! tr From R.Hibbitt@... Tue Jan 4 12:33:49 2000 From: R.Hibbitt@... (Richard Hibbitt) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2000 11:33:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.156.547.959309995@...> On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:20:31 -0500 Tom Roche wrote: > From: Tom Roche > > At 3:48 AM -0500 1/10/0, peel@onelist.com wrote: > >Subject: > > > >I don't think that anybody can add to Tom Roche's view of > >the chart -it says it all. > > > Well hell, let's just pack up and go home! > > > tr Actually, Tom, I contradicted myself anyway -of course there are infiniute things to add but what I meant was that your assessment of the whole thing was spot on -Richard > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------------- Richard Hibbitt r.hibbitt@... From stuart@... Wed Jan 12 12:03:40 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:03:40 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.156.548.959309995@...> >I think it could be Love Will Tear Us Apart because everyone seems to love >Joy Division these days and it was there most popular song wasn't it? Well, Atmosphere was always #1 when the Pistols weren't. Surely you remember that? >Anyway what would I know i'm 16. Ah. I would have put the house on Atmosphere but the weirdness in the bottom 10 has thrown the whole thing up in the air. Peel says the whole chart's quite predictable but I would say that's already been proven wrong. Kevin's 'Teen Spirit' guess is interesting, like the Smiths, will Peel listeners still be into that - grunge is very much a thing of the past now. >er..... so: which IS "that" record? the Beatles one that was in the bottom 10. I think you're safe! Heard Hefner last night, a very odd setlist I thought, not much recent stuff unless it was all new (at least, that's how its seemed). I just got their gospel session, and I must be all contrary and say that I wasn't impressed at all. Good to hear Heads of Dead Surfers again, though I suspect this means it's not in the F50! Stuart From gwood@... Wed Jan 12 13:22:15 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:22:15 +0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.156.549.959309995@...> At 11:03 12/01/00 +0000, Stuart McHugh wrote: >Heard Hefner last night, a very odd setlist I thought, not much recent >stuff unless it was all new (at least, that's how its seemed). Strange, it was pretty much _exactly_ what I was expecting; certainly similar in content to their recent gigs (without the David Soul cover). >I just got their gospel session, and I must be all contrary and say that >I wasn't impressed at all. Shame, I thought it was mighty fine. >Good to hear Heads of Dead Surfers again, though I suspect this means it's >not in the F50! With you on this - I haven't played it for ages, I'd forgot how good it was. Ditto for Safe Deposit too. Gez, what a worthwhile post that was From tim.whitehouse@... Wed Jan 12 15:09:39 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:09:39 -0000 Subject: F50 45-41 Message-ID: <76369.156.550.959309995@...> I just got > their gospel session, and I must be all contrary and say that I wasn't > impressed at all. Where from? Is it called Revelations? WHERE! I thought it came out next month or are you special or something. From pete@... Wed Jan 12 21:33:45 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:33:45 -0000 Subject: the other unfestive 50.. Message-ID: <76369.156.551.959309995@...> Just wondering, is anyone recording the All-Time 50...cos i keep on missing it, and there's bound to be songs dotted through it i've (shockingly) missed out on during my short life (there's 1 or 2 so far)...... and: > From: "tim.whitehouse" > Subject: Re: Re: F50 45-41 > > > I had the misfortune of listening to Radio One listens poll on New Years > > eve on the way to Brighton. It was the Top 30 of the 90's or something. > > I think it may have actually been of all time, but guess what was number > > one ??? > > Somebody somewhere must still listen to it !! > > > Oh yeah it was definitely the most 'important' song of the 90s, so deserves > that kind of thing. But as a Nirvana track I always thought it was far from > their best. > Definitely. it was seeing the video to "in bloom" that got me into them properly... So no Carter USM in the Top 50 then? i don't know... pete From lists1947@... Thu Jan 13 15:59:29 2000 From: lists1947@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee=20Pilich?=) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:59:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Alltime FF Message-ID: <76369.157.552.959309995@...> I am utterly utterly convinced that How I Wrote Elastic Man will be at No.1 in the ATFF because: 1. Lot's of people will've voted for a token Fall song just to keep Peel happy. 2. That Elastica thing earlier this year means this particular number got played a bit. 3. It is very good. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From stuart@... Fri Jan 14 00:17:41 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:17:41 +0000 Subject: F50 (what else) Message-ID: <76369.157.553.959309995@...> Tim (on Hefner) >Where from? Is it called Revelations? WHERE! >I thought it came out next month or are you special or something. er, shucks.. yes, next month. I've got the Laika cd with free chocolates, so ner. >Just wondering, is anyone recording the All-Time 50...cos i keep on missing >it, and there's bound to be songs dotted through it i've (shockingly) missed >out on during my short life (there's 1 or 2 so far)...... I wasn't bothering as I'm not execting to hear anything that I'd want that I don't already have, this rather pessimistic viewpoint has been borne out so far I'm afraid... >So no Carter USM in the Top 50 then? i don't know... There's still time! For some reason I was just wondering if there'd be any Dave Bowie in the chart, I suspect not but he's a lot closer to what Peel's shows usually stand for than the Beach Boys and Beatles, IMO. Though bands with massive back catalogues tend to get a dilution of their vote, unless their fans can get co-ordinated... the same goes for Half Man Half Biscuit. (Hi Gez) Stuart From wadh1010@... Fri Jan 14 11:05:47 2000 From: wadh1010@... (wadh1010@...) Date: 14 Jan 2000 10:05:47 -0000 Subject: F50 (what else) Message-ID: <76369.158.554.959309995@...> > For some reason I was just wondering if there'd be any Dave Bowie in the > chart, I suspect not but he's a lot closer to what Peel's shows usually > stand for than the Beach Boys and Beatles, IMO. Although I was pretty amazed to see that "Life on Mars" came in at Number 17 (or something) on the most recent Radio 1 general all-time chart, which does suggest perhaps that there is a popular consensus building as to which song one should vote for in such circumstances. I've got a tape somewhere of the Flaming Lips doing it for a session a couple of years ago - bluddy marvellous. Surprised the Delgados weren't higher. Dan From leigh.maude@... Fri Jan 14 12:53:58 2000 From: leigh.maude@... (leigh.maude@...) Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:53:58 -0000 Subject: ATFF Message-ID: <76369.158.555.959309995@...> We'll I had Debaser down as a possible No.1 or at least a guaranteed top tenner. No 30? Well, I'd have to disagree with John's view that the list is too predictable, but then again The Smiths and Joy Division/New Order have had 10 or so tracks each in the FF before now and The Smiths haven't appeared in the ATFF at all yet! It could mean both dominating the top 20 which would be a bit much even if you are a fan of those bands. In which case I can see his point about 'white boys with guitars'. I'm recording it on MD and have managed to get it all so far but we'll see how bored I get staying in. Still, my post-christmas/ny bank account seems to like it! I'm still after the '99 FF top 14 on MD if anyone's got it. Stuart M, let me know if you got my mail and reckon you could do us an MD sometime. Thanks, Leigh From skip@... Sat Jan 15 02:22:01 2000 From: skip@... (skip@...) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:22:01 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 157 Message-ID: <76369.158.556.959309995@...> I am utterly utterly convinced that How I Wrote Elastic Man will be at No.1 in the ATFF because: 1. Lot's of people will've voted for a token Fall song just to keep Peel happy. 2. That Elastica thing earlier this year means this particular number got played a bit. 3. It is very good. i heard that 'Smile' is definitely in the top 5. as a lickspittle southerner, i am pleased. definite fall presence in the F50 so far (well, 2 songs) so who knows? i still reckon it'll be joy division though. one of the two. ahem. Jon From troche@... Sat Jan 15 02:34:13 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:34:13 -0500 Subject: Alltime FF Message-ID: <76369.158.557.959309995@...> We may be in for a rough ride, Captain! John Peel's Festive Fifty 1976 (some of 'em anyway...) 1.Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven 2.Derek & the Dominoes - Layla 3.Bob Dylan - Desolation Row 4.Pink Floyd - Echoes 5.Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower 6.Free - Alright Now 7.Racing Cars - They Shoot Horses Don't They? 8.Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond 9.Beatles - A Day In The Life 10.Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone 11.Poco - Rose of Cimarron 12.Neil Young - Cortez the killer 13.Rolling Stones - Brown sugar 14.Beatles - Hey Jude 15.Legendary Stardust Cowboy - Paralysed 16.Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo chile 17.Beatles - Strawberry fields forever 18.Captain Beefheart - Big eyed beans from Venus 19.Led Zeppelin - Whole lotta love 20.Lynyrd Skynyrd - Freebird 21.Van Morrison - Madame George 22.Doors - Riders on the storm 23.Bob Dylan - Visions of Johanna 24.Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit 25.Deep Purple - Child in time 26.Little Feat - Long distance love 27.Grinderswitch - Pickin' the blues 28.Joe Walsh - Rocky mountain way 29.Who - Won't get fooled again 30.Misunderstood - I can take you to the sun From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sun Jan 16 16:55:06 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 16 Jan 2000 15:55:06 GMT Subject: Alltime FF Message-ID: <76369.159.558.959309995@...> ""John Peel's Festive Fifty 1976 (some of 'em anyway...)"" What a brilliant chart! Makes me wonder why Peelie doesn't still play that Poco record every week! Of course that was before those dreadful punk rockers came along to spoil everything. Peace, man! Rocker rocker@... From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sun Jan 16 16:58:36 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 16 Jan 2000 15:58:36 GMT Subject: Alltime FF Message-ID: <76369.159.559.959309995@...> ""John Peel's Festive Fifty 1976 (some of 'em anyway...)"" What a crap chart! Thank god Peelie doesn't still play hippie shit like that Poco record! Of course that was before punk came along to blow everything away and change the world. Anarchy! Rocker rocker@... From keith@... Mon Jan 17 03:06:45 2000 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:06:45 +0000 Subject: F50 (what else) ...Bowie Message-ID: <76369.159.560.959309995@...> >From: Stuart McHugh >For some reason I was just wondering if there'd be any Dave Bowie in the >chart, I suspect not but he's a lot closer to what Peel's shows usually >stand for than the Beach Boys and Beatles, IMO. i would agree. but i think Peel has gone one record as saying he isn't keen on Bowie... in fact i'm sure he once played "maid of bond street" and said it was the only track by bowie that you'd hear on his show, 'cos it was the only one he liked. [my favourite Bowie track too, as it happens! but who would have voted for it?] you might be right about Bowie standing for the same types of things as you'd hear now on Peel, but isn't it the case that david bowie has destroyed any chance of being taken seriously because of all that UTTER CRAP he put out in the 80s and 90s???? - in much the same way that Nirvana are out of fashion because everyone got SO fed up with the whole Grunge thing...... ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From cjbeattie@... Mon Jan 17 23:21:01 2000 From: cjbeattie@... (cjbeattie@...) Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:21:01 -0000 Subject: All Time Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.160.561.959309995@...> What do you think are the odds of The Undertones' 'Teenage Kicks' making an appearance then? Pretty high, I reckon. And does the proportionately high number of Fall tracks in the ATF50 lay testament to Mark E Smith's genius, or does it just mean that Peel listeners are by and large easily led? Personally I think he's something of a genius, Mark E, that is. Mr P himself is more an enigma From cjbeattie@... Mon Jan 17 23:27:41 2000 From: cjbeattie@... (cjbeattie@...) Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:27:41 -0000 Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.160.562.959309995@...> Where are Sonic Youth? They simply have to be in there somewhere. Was it really necessary to include 'Pretty Vacant' though? I appreciate that there had to be a token Pistols track, but is it really one of the greatest records you've ever heard in your life? Again, I appreciate that in its context etc., but still! Just for the record, I don't think there will be much more of Joy Division. I mean, can there really? From martinw@... Tue Jan 18 02:38:57 2000 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:38:57 +0000 Subject: Subject: Re: F50 (what else) ...Bowie Message-ID: <76369.160.563.959309995@...> >but i think Peel has gone one record as saying he isn't keen on Bowie... There is some friction between the two. Peel has several times told a story on air about lending Bowie money to fund an Arts Lab project which he never paid back. This was in the post-Space Oddity pre-Ziggie period when you couldn't give away Bowie records. I saw a concert which Peel compered in Croydon which was headlined by Tyrannosurus Rex. Bowie was the opening act. He performed as a mime - that's not miming to records but walking-against-the-wind type mime! I would guess that Marc Bolan was the mutual friend who introduced Bowie to Peel. Bowie used Peel to get some much needed credibility. (in those days 'Space Oddity' was regarded as a one-off novelty record not a classic!) Bowie has always been the career opportunist supreme and as soon as Ziggy hit he dropped his 'struggling artist' persona and all the people that went with it to be Ziggy fulltime martinw From stuart@... Mon Jan 17 23:59:18 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:59:18 +0000 Subject: F50 (what else) ...Bowie Message-ID: <76369.161.564.959309995@...> Keith: >but isn't it the case that david bowie has destroyed any chance of being >taken seriously because of all that UTTER CRAP he put out in the 80s and >90s???? I never knew Peel wasn't keen on Bowie though of course I've probably never heard him played on the show , now you mention it. By this argument there should be no Stone Roses in the chart either. We can only hope. S From Stephen_J._Wood@... Tue Jan 18 20:19:54 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) Date: 18 Jan 2000 19:19:54 GMT Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.161.565.959309995@...> peel@onelist.com,Internet writes: Where are Sonic Youth? They simply have to be in there somewhere. Was it really necessary to include 'Pretty Vacant' though? I appreciate that there had to be a token Pistols track, but is it really one of the greatest records you've ever heard in your life? Again, I appreciate that in its context etc., but still! Just for the record, I don't think there will be much more of Joy Division. I mean, can there really? I agree about Sonic Youth, but which track would people have voted for? Yes, Pretty Vacant is one of the best records I've ever heard in my life, and do you not think that Anarchy or GSTQ may well be higher? As for Joy Division, I would think that Atmosphere and Love Will Tear Us Apart are bound to be higher, and I'd also have Dead Souls, 24 hours, and for that matter Ceremony or Blue Monday if it were my chart! We shall see! Rocker (mailing on Tuesday before hearing tonight's show!) rocker@... From troche@... Wed Jan 19 06:36:11 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:36:11 -0500 Subject: Mimes Message-ID: <76369.162.566.959309995@...> I saw this new solo aritst Todd Rundgren 3rd on a bill supporting an early version of Alice Cooper, and much of Rundgren's set was handed over to this embarassing mime troupe. What was he thinking? (and 2nd on the bill was Dr John - what was the *promoter* thinking, if at all....?) tr From tim.whitehouse@... Wed Jan 19 16:38:53 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:38:53 -0000 Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.162.567.959309995@...> > I agree about Sonic Youth, but which track would people have voted for? Probably Teenage Riot. Anyone want to help me out with winning those records? If I win I will give anyone a big pile of 'em. I have no idea who remixed yesterdays, but something tells me it was originally Cornelius. From robfleay@... Thu Jan 20 06:37:53 2000 From: robfleay@... (Rob) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:37:53 -0000 Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.162.568.959309995@...> > Probably Teenage Riot. or Schizophrenia? ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From jhull@... Wed Jan 19 21:15:46 2000 From: jhull@... (Dave) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:15:46 -0000 Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.162.569.959309995@...> >> Probably Teenage Riot. > >or Schizophrenia? or 'Satan Is Boring'. Purly for the title, if nothing else! From john.peel@... Thu Jan 20 12:17:12 2000 From: john.peel@... (john.peel@...) Date: 20 Jan 2000 11:17:12 -0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.162.570.959309995@...> I've only just discovered this page - thanks to Conor Beattie for that - and thought I should say something. The only stuff I've read so far seemed to be complaining about the contents of the all-time Festive 50. Festive 50s are usually a source of some distress to me because they are innately conservative - there's never any reggae, very litle dance related stuff or much other than cutewhite kids strumming guitars - and the all-time festive 50 is just plain dull - but it is the choice of listeners and not my choice, so talk of there being, say, a token sex pistols track seems to have missed the point rather. Anyway, I've got to go and get some hen food from old Newton so I'll disappear now. Took me quite a while to gain access to this site, I want you to know, but I'll reappear and try to address some of the barmier issues raised. Hope you'll be with me tonight, my angels. John Peel From andys@... Thu Jan 20 13:18:42 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:18:42 GMT Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.571.959309995@...> Some newcomer to the list wrote: > ... Festive 50s are usually a source of some distress to me because > they are innately conservative - there's never any reggae, very litle > dance related stuff or much other than cutewhite kids strumming > guitars - and the all-time festive 50 is just plain dull ... John Peel I heard this comment on the radio last week and almost e-mailed a direct reply. I'm sure we could have a protracted debate on why it's mostly guitar stuff that gets in (I reckon it's because dance stuff can date more quickly, or people go for songs) and I admit to being one of the guilty parties who voted for white kids strumming guitars, but I don't listen to the show just to hear that kind of record. While it's the guitar stuff that gets (most of) my votes, I listen so I can hear drum'n'bass records as much as anything else. How about anyone else on the list? Are we mostly fast forwarding through the dance stuff to get to the next Fall track? Despite it's predictability I'm finding the Festive 50 hugely enjoyable, although it's an arduous task keeping up with the taping and listening through each day. In a way I'll be pleased when both it and the Peelennium are over with and we can hear more new stuff. Andy From gwood@... Thu Jan 20 14:39:26 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:39:26 +0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.572.959309995@...> At 12:18 20/01/00 GMT, Andy Smith wrote: >I'm sure we could have a protracted debate on why it's mostly guitar stuff >that gets in (I reckon it's because dance stuff can date more quickly, or >people go for songs) I'd say it's because a majority of listeners are just like you or me, Andy - will happily listen to the various styles of music on offer, but at the end of the day, we started listening to Peel because it was the only radio show that was on offer to the 'indie guitar kid' when we were 14 years old, and we're sticking to our roots. Despite the arrival of Lamacq et al, this rule is still by and large true today. On the other hand, there are many dance-oriented shows on today, and your average dance-minded fan won't list the Peel show as his/her preferred choice of listening, as there are alternatives available where they don't have to listen to the indiekid guitar stuff. And I'm not that sure that radio coverage is all that important in the dance scene anyway, as I'm sure the clubs are doing a better job of promoting the music. So, 15 to go: a couple of Joy Divisions and a New Order, a few Falls, a double of Sex Pistols, a Smith or two, the odd Nirvana, Mary Chain, Undertones, and perhaps even a Sugarcube and a Bang Bang Machine if we're really lucky. Although I still get a sneaking suspicion that "White Man In Hammersmith Palais" might show up. Just remembered - I missed nos. 25-21, so a few of these have probably already gone. Gez. ----------------------------------- http://cobweb.quantisci.co.uk/photo http://cobweb.quantisci.co.uk/hmhb From mozy@... Thu Jan 20 16:26:24 2000 From: mozy@... (Stig) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:26:24 +0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.573.959309995@...> john.peel@... wrote: > I've only just discovered this page They said it could never be done... John Peel learns how to use his computer... Just need to learn how to operate a turntable and you'll be away. Andy wrote: > In a way I'll be pleased when both it and the > Peelennium are over with and we can hear more new stuff. I've got into the swing of listening to a selection of old stuff in the programmes, I think the Peelennium has been thoroughly enjoyable and I'll be sad when it finishes, er, tonight. Didn't Mr Peel say there would be something else involving old records once the Peelennium finishes? Stig, just unfeasibly cute From d.mckinnon@... Thu Jan 20 16:37:01 2000 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:37:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.574.959309995@...> > From: Andy Smith > > Some newcomer to the list wrote: > > > ... Festive 50s are usually a source of some distress to me because > > they are innately conservative - there's never any reggae, very litle > > dance related stuff or much other than cutewhite kids strumming > > guitars - and the all-time festive 50 is just plain dull ... John Peel > > I heard this comment on the radio last week and almost e-mailed a > direct reply. I'm sure we could have a protracted debate on why it's > mostly guitar stuff that gets in (I reckon it's because dance stuff > can date more quickly, or people go for songs) and I admit to being > one of the guilty parties who voted for white kids strumming guitars, > but I don't listen to the show just to hear that kind of record. While > it's the guitar stuff that gets (most of) my votes, I listen so I can > hear drum'n'bass records as much as anything else. How about anyone else > on the list? Are we mostly fast forwarding through the dance stuff to > get to the next Fall track? I like the programme because I get to hear stuff that I don't normally get to hear. I suppose the vast majority of my record collection could be filed under the "white kids strumming guitars" label, but I love hearing the dancey stuff as I don't frequent the places that it's played. The big problem arises when I go out and try and buy any of that stuff that I hear. I usually don't have a clue what category (Drum and Bass, House, Stripped Down Italian Speedcore, etc) it falls under and have to ask the assistant to find it for me. I usually leave the shop feeling like my dad. dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From kimhl@... Thu Jan 20 20:52:45 2000 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:52:45 +0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.575.959309995@...> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:39:26 +0000 Gerard Wood wrote: > From: Gerard Wood > > At 12:18 20/01/00 GMT, Andy Smith wrote: > > >I'm sure we could have a protracted debate on why it's > mostly guitar stuff >that gets in (I reckon it's because > dance stuff can date more quickly, or >people go for songs) > > I'd say it's because a majority of listeners are just like > you or me, Andy - will happily listen to the various styles > of music on offer, but at the end of the day, we started > listening to Peel because it was the only radio show that > was on offer to the 'indie guitar kid' when we were 14 > years old, and we're sticking to our roots. Despite the > arrival of Lamacq et al, this rule is still by and large > true today. On the other hand, there are > many dance-oriented shows on today, and your average > dance-minded fan won't list the Peel show as his/her > preferred choice of listening, as there are alternatives > available where they don't have to listen to the > indiekid guitar stuff. And I'm not that sure that radio > coverage is all that important in the dance scene anyway, > as I'm sure the clubs are doing a better job of promoting > the music. I agree. I think that in general, people do tend to become rooted in the kind of music they listen to when they are in their teens - early twenties, possibly because during those years people are forging their identities and music can play an important role in that process. As they grow older, many people become less adventurous and prefer to find comfort in the familiar. Although I think it is desirable and maybe even unavoidable to maintain links with the cultural elements that helped to mould your view of the world as a young adult, too much of this can lead to the kind of stagnation that results in intolerance and yawning generation gaps. I'm sure that most Peel programme listeners welcome the variety of music on offer, and even if they don't like everything they hear they may discover that over time they broaden their tastes overall, and maybe even develop a new passion for a different type of music. The observation made by Gerard that people who mainly prefer dance music (or some of the other non-indie-guitar forms of music) will probably listen to specialist programmes more geared to their preferences is probably true. Because polls such as the All-Time Festive Fifty require people to list only their top 3, most people of an indie bent will select mainly indie tracks, and the consensus among those who choose non-indie tracks may be too divided to make it into the chart. My guess is that if you were to analyse the top 10-20 tracks instead of the top 3 of each listener, you would begin to see more diversity in the chart, as people would have been able to fulfill their obligation to their 'roots' in the first 5 or so and still have space to acknowledge some of their more recently acquired musical tastes. How about an 'All-Time Non-Indie-Guitar' Festive Fifty' poll? Kim ---------------------- Kim Harrison-Lavoie kimhl@... From skip@... Thu Jan 20 21:13:08 2000 From: skip@... (skip@...) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:13:08 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 161 Message-ID: <76369.163.576.959309995@...> > As for Joy Division, I would think that Atmosphere and Love Will Tear Us > Apart are bound to be higher, and I'd also have Dead Souls, 24 hours, and for > that matter Ceremony or Blue Monday if it were my chart! i think blue monday has a fair chance at being number one. hasn't atmosphere been and gone? or am i thinking of the peelenium? What are the chances of seeing any Birthday Party in there? mssr. Cave must be close to some peel listeners hearts, surely? Jon From skip@... Thu Jan 20 20:40:27 2000 From: skip@... (skip@...) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:40:27 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 162 Message-ID: <76369.163.577.959309995@...> > > I agree about Sonic Youth, but which track would people have voted for? > > Probably Teenage Riot. i'dve voted for total trash. just cos i like it. > Anyone want to help me out with winning those records? If I win I will give > anyone a big pile of 'em. > I have no idea who remixed yesterdays, but something tells me it was > originally Cornelius. Damon Albarn remix i think. Star Fruits Surf Rider. from that remixes lp C. had out a while back. From john.bravin@... Thu Jan 20 21:44:25 2000 From: john.bravin@... (John Bravin) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:44:25 +0100 Subject: Festive Fifty, Dub & Sex Message-ID: <76369.163.578.959309995@...> Boring or not, the Festive Fifty seems to have livened up the Peel list for a while. I've been listening to Peel since 1968 and now have 10's and probably 1000's of favourite tracks thanks to his uniquely eclectic tastes. I may have discovered Wild Man Fischer, Kevin Coyne, The Humblebums, Bundu Boys, Dougie McLean, Junior Delgado, Napalm Death and Millie Jackson eventually, but I doubt it. Rose of Cinnamon and Smells Like Teen Spirit still get me going, but I would happily trade 50 of these vote winners for the thousands of forgotten masterpieces that he has played over the years. I suspect there are many like me out there with racks of John Peel compilations gathering dust until they are come alive in the car on a long journey. That's the strange thing about Peel, he will play anything that moves provided it's 'now', or occasionally pre-1960, but he won't acknowledge the hidden gems in his own back catalogue. What would get my vote? Probably the middle bit of any of the really echoey Dub tracks he has played over the years, but the rules don't allow me to vote for a middle bit, more's the pity. By the way, I'm living in Belgium and have heard very little of the Festive Fifty, so I am following it via the Peel list. Sad really, a bit like getting sexually aroused from reading reviews of Eyes Wide Shut. -- John Bravin From tim.whitehouse@... Thu Jan 20 18:00:13 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:00:13 -0000 Subject: ff Message-ID: <76369.163.579.959309995@...> Well im guilty of that too. But its only really White boys strumming guitars that move in such a way. It is very rare that I hear something not guitarry and think 'that is brilliant'. Just the way I am I suppose. And I suppose if Dr Peel is now reading these I suppose I should stop my campaign to get you all to give me the answers I don't know for those 2000 records. Oh please i'm only young!!! tim From tim.whitehouse@... Thu Jan 20 23:20:34 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:20:34 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 162 Message-ID: <76369.163.580.959309995@...> > Damon Albarn remix i think. Star Fruits Surf Rider. from that remixes lp C. > had out a while back. > you taking the wee wee? From stuart@... Thu Jan 20 20:01:15 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:01:15 +0000 Subject: P.S. Message-ID: <76369.163.581.959309995@...> >Anyone want to help me out with winning those records? If I win I will give >anyone a big pile of 'em. >I have no idea who remixed yesterdays, but something tells me it was >originally Cornelius. Since there's no way I can get 2000 12" in my house, I'm with Tim on this - if you mean Tuesday's track, it was indeed Cornelius, later remixed by the Pastels. Didn't hear Wednesday's, but apoloies if I've spoiled it for anyone so far! Stuart Sue McHugh sue@... From stuart@... Thu Jan 20 20:09:41 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:09:41 +0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.163.582.959309995@...> >The only stuff I've read so far seemed to be complaining about the >contents of the all-time Festive 50. >Festive 50s are usually a source of >some distress to me because they are innately conservative - >there's never any reggae, very litle dance related stuff or much other >than cutewhite kids strumming >guitars - and the all-time festive 50 is >just plain dull - but it is the choice of listeners and not my choice, >so >talk of there being, say, a token sex pistols track seems to have missed >the point rather. Mr. P is probably right, it does often seem like people here don't understand how the F50 works, but that might well be down to some posters not actually hearing the shows, I dunno. Or maybe they remember the Peel-selected F50 of 1977 and have't been able to shake the triumph of the Motors that year? Cetainly the odd track by say the Sex Pistols isn't a token in this sense, but again, if a band has one decent tune in their catalog (if White Town appear in the chart they will be a rather good example!) then they might indeed get all their fans voting for it. If they have a variety of tunes but no one distinct 'best' one, say the Wedding Present, then there may be a spread of their records in the lower reaches. Anyway, that's kind of how I see it, but other posters are perhaps better qualified to comment on the machinations of the charts... S Sue McHugh sue@... From stuart@... Fri Jan 21 00:26:32 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:26:32 +0000 Subject: Big Eyed Beans Message-ID: <76369.163.583.959309995@...> Actually, if there was ever a good example of, well, not a 'token' record, but a 'representative' one which gets said artist in the chart by virtue of all fans voting for the obvious choice, it's this one. Well, what other Beefheart track _could_ you vote for if you had only one vote? (ok, I knww you get 3, but gotta save one for Teenage Kicks!) I'm pleased to see it in there anyway, I don't think Beefheart was in the pre-77 charts at all, shows how punk he is (or something). S Sue McHugh sue@... From emerson_63@... Fri Jan 21 03:14:29 2000 From: emerson_63@... (emerson_63@...) Date: 21 Jan 2000 02:14:29 -0000 Subject: Lack of Bowie Message-ID: <76369.163.584.959309995@...> I'm not surprised that Bowie hasn't and won't appear in the all-time festive 50 because he's only had one entry and that was Heroes in 77. In the Bowie biography, Strange Fascination John Peel does state that he would put him in the top half dozen of artists he's most enjoyed. Peel did play whole Bowie albums on his show in the 70's(Low, Heroes and Stage)because they were ambitious and I think the last new Bowie product he played was the single Alabama Song in 1982 which he didn't like. I've never regarded Bowie as a Peel favourite although he did play Fame in the Peelenium. In fact I think one of Peel's strengths is to drop an artist when they begin to sound routine. He did this with Bowie and more notably with Siouxsie and the Banshees. And let's face it, with one or two exceptions, Bowie has been nothing but routine since 1980. John Leslie, Aberdeen From CandySkinn@... Fri Jan 21 18:55:13 2000 From: CandySkinn@... (CandySkinn@...) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:55:13 EST Subject: Digest Number 163/Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.164.585.959309995@...> I'm new to this list, so hello everyone... My predictions for the Top 10 next week are: Anarchy in the UK, Love Will tear Us Apart, Atmosphere, Blue Monday, Teenage Kicks, Smells Like Teen Spirit, White Man in Hammersmith Palais, Eat yself Fitter, Song 2 and There is a Light that Never Goes Out... If I'm even 70-80% correct, I think that supports JP's assertion that the chart is immensely conservative and predictable. Some time ago, back in the mid 80s when the F50 really was dull, it was suggested - reasonably seriously I think - that the Top 50 simply be read out while Nos 51-100 actually got played. It would certainly be interesting to know what the next batch of tracks in this chart were as, for me, Nos 50-41 (Nick Drake, Velvet Underground, Culture etc) were the most interesting. And how about giving a selection of those that didn't quite make it a spin? Did anyone else vote for 'Good to Be the King' by the Janitors? I thought not. BTW I don't think giving people 10 votes instead of 3 would make any difference - there are people (you know who you are) who would simply use it as an opportunity to vote for all 10 tracks off Unknown Pleasures instead of their favourite 3 Cheers Candy From andys@... Fri Jan 21 18:58:37 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:58:37 GMT Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.164.586.959309995@...> A few surprises (for me at least) in nos 15-11. Which was nice. Just when I was thinking it was getting bogged down in the 80's. Nice to hear Brassneck again too, the Wedding Present are having a bit of a renaissance in out house just lately. And I'm with Gez on White Man In Hammersmith Palais. Controversial maybe, but can John Peel justifiably moan about conservatism in the F50 when the Peelennium 2000 contained New Order and Cinerama? The Primal Scream LP sounds pretty good. Andy From CandySkinn@... Fri Jan 21 19:02:55 2000 From: CandySkinn@... (CandySkinn@...) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:02:55 EST Subject: Digest Number 163/A request Message-ID: <76369.164.587.959309995@...> Did anyone tape the 1999 Festive 50? I had to go away and do some distinctly non-festive things and missed the Top 30. If you can help out, could you mail me off list please. I can offer tapes of previous years in return Cheers Candy From jhull@... Fri Jan 21 19:08:19 2000 From: jhull@... (Dave) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:08:19 -0000 Subject: The Fall Message-ID: <76369.164.588.959309995@...> Hello! Ok, I'm trying to get into The Fall, as everyone keeps raving about them. Can anyone recommend the best album, or should I buy The Marshall Suite because its the most recent. How many LPs have they (he?) actually released. Dave, apologising for ignorance. From kimhl@... Fri Jan 21 19:45:16 2000 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:45:16 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.164.589.959309995@...> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:58:37 GMT Andy Smith wrote: > From: Andy Smith > > Controversial maybe, but can John Peel justifiably moan > about conservatism in the F50 when the Peelennium 2000 > contained New Order and Cinerama? > I'd be interested hearing what his top 3 would be. From stuart@... Fri Jan 21 20:07:28 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:07:28 +0000 Subject: Lack of Bowie Message-ID: <76369.164.590.959309995@...> >And let's face it, with one or two >exceptions, Bowie has been nothing but routine since >1980. John Leslie, Aberdeen Interestingly, I heard the new Bowie single today and it appears to be an attempt to return to form. It's ok, nothing special (well, on one listen), perhaps he's trying too hard. But Tin Machine it ain't. I've lost track where we are with the ATF50, but I think there's 10 left, leaving room for 2*Pistols, 2*Joy Division and 1* New Order & Undertones (and 'Hammersmith Palais' as Gez said, surely?) as mandatory - you know the ones. Question is which Smiths and Fall tracks will make up the numbers. And whither the Mary Chain? It's actually getting quite exciting, or am I just sad? (Peelie's bored because he knows the ending!) Stuart From robfleay@... Sat Jan 22 06:19:08 2000 From: robfleay@... (Rob) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:19:08 -0000 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.164.591.959309995@...> > I heard this comment on the radio last week and almost e-mailed a > direct reply. I'm sure we could have a protracted debate on why it's > mostly guitar stuff that gets in (I reckon it's because dance stuff > can date more quickly, or people go for songs) Retrospect is a fabulous thing but I reckon it might have been better to have done an all-time Festive 50 just of artists/bands and let John Peel choose a random/favourite track. There is some sort of logic to my argument...err...somewhere. a) rather than 5 or 6 tracks by the usual suspects (Fall, Wedding Present etc) there would just be one - leaving more space in the chart for other bands. b) Ivor Cutler - GENIUS...but can you think of ONE stand out track to pick on? I know I can't. I'd say this principle applies to many artists that get regular airplay on the Peel shows c) it'd be a damn sight easier to VOTE....I gave up trying to think of my favourite 3 SONGS...there are too many. I reckon it has to be easier to get to 3 artists rather than 3 songs?? ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From tim.whitehouse@... Fri Jan 21 20:20:38 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:20:38 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 163/Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.164.592.959309995@...> > Anarchy in the UK, Love Will tear Us Apart, Atmosphere, Blue Monday, Teenage > Kicks, Smells Like Teen Spirit, White Man in Hammersmith Palais, Eat yself > Fitter, Song 2 and There is a Light that Never Goes Out... Song 2 IS Smells like teen spirit! I suppose I am also guilty of the 'token' track theory. I voted more for my 3 favourite bands than songs. I just voted for the song by the band that I thought others were likely to go for. Like someone said if your favourite song ever is some obscure Pavement B-Side its almost a wasted vote. tim From scooke@... Fri Jan 21 22:03:11 2000 From: scooke@... (Stefan Cooke) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Lack of Bowie Message-ID: <76369.164.593.959309995@...> Hi all, Just jumped on board the Peel train and already have a request. Can someone post ATF50 tracks 20 through 16? They haven't made it onto John's bbc tracklistings space for some reason (although 15 through 11 are there). For the record, here's the story so far: 50. Pavement - Here 49. PJ Harvey - Sheela-Na-Gig 48. Culture - Lion Rock 47. Sundays - Can't Be Sure 46. Beach Boys - Good Vibrations 45. Beatles - I Am the Walrus 44. Bob Dylan - Visions of Johanna 43. Nick Drake - Northern Sky 42. Velvet Underground - Heroin 41. Beach Boys - God Only Knows 40. Tim Buckley - Song to the Siren 39. Damned - New Rose 38. Fall - The Classical 37. Jimi Hendrix Experience - All Along the Watchtower 36. Stereolab - French Disko 35. Jam - Going Underground 34. Fall - Totally Wired 33. Clash - Complete Control 32. New Order - True Faith 31. Belle & Sebastian - Lazy Line Painter Jane 30. Pixies - Debaser 29. Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant 28. Joy Division - Transmission 27. My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise 26. Delgadoes - Pull the Wires from the Wall 25. Wedding Present - My Favorite Dress 24. Fall - How I Wrote Elastic Man 23. Sugarcubes - Birthday 22. Smiths - This Charming Man 21. Wedding Present - Brassneck 20. 19. 18. 17. 16. 15. Joy Division - New Dawn Fades 14. Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia 13. Capt. Beefheart - Big Eyed Beans from Venus 12. Pulp - Common People 11. Robert Wyatt - Shipbuilding Cheers, Stefan All in favor of a lack of Bowie. From jmsmall@... Fri Jan 21 22:04:38 2000 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:04:38 +0000 Subject: Digest Number 163/Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.164.594.959309995@...> "tim.whitehouse" wrote: > I suppose I am also guilty of the 'token' track theory. I voted more for my > 3 favourite bands than songs. I just voted for the song by the band that I > thought others were likely to go for. Like someone said if your favourite > song ever is some obscure Pavement B-Side its almost a wasted vote. Well I voted for "Rollercoaster" by B*witched, if you ask me it's one of the most influential songs of the past millenium, and any millenium previous to that one too. So there. Stig From robfleay@... Fri Jan 21 22:32:43 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:32:43 -0000 Subject: Lack of Bowie Message-ID: <76369.164.595.959309995@...> > From: Stefan Cooke > > Hi all, > > Just jumped on board the Peel train and already have a request. Can > someone post ATF50 tracks 20 through 16? They haven't made it onto John's > bbc tracklistings space for some reason (although 15 through 11 are > there). Looks like a cock up to me....there is no link to the URL: www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/peel_tracklistings_1901.shtml but it is there and the 5 festive 50 tracks are listed as 15-11 - but that's wrong too.. 20.Joy Division - 'She�s Lost Control' 19.New Order - 'Temptation' 18.Only Ones - 'Another Girl Another Planet' 17.New Order - 'Ceremony' 16.My Bloody Valentine - 'Soon' ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From troche@... Sat Jan 22 05:53:24 2000 From: troche@... (Tom Roche) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:53:24 -0500 Subject: me Message-ID: <76369.164.596.959309995@...> At 6:40 AM -0500 1/20/0, me wrote: >they are innately conservative - there's never any reggae, >very litle dance related stuff or much other ....or soukous! And not for lack of trying! Some of us "waste" our vote on a soukous track that'll never win. So at least the effort is being made. Or how bout a wasted vote for, say, some band like Solex, who might have one amazing instrumental once, back in April you happen to write down then. So alas these dub/world/dance/post-happy-bigbeat-whatever tracks dont make it to the Festive 50 and the extra reknown. Gee whiz. But nada worry, they did win a spot on John Peel's Festive 42,820 underway for a few decades now. Anyway let us officially welcome our newbie lurker, without letting him in on what newbie lurker means. tom in atlanta From sircussalot@... Sat Jan 22 20:32:46 2000 From: sircussalot@... (sircussalot@...) Date: 22 Jan 2000 19:32:46 -0000 Subject: john peel Message-ID: <76369.165.597.959309995@...> how old is john peel?he's dreamy.....just kidding forget about the david bowie shortage.Captain Beefheart is'nt played anywere near enough!i know he's played on rare occassions but it just ain't enough!so in summary more Beefheart ...oh,and john peel was just poured into that cardigan,what a dreamboat! From emerson_63@... Sat Jan 22 23:06:14 2000 From: emerson_63@... (emerson_63@...) Date: 22 Jan 2000 22:06:14 -0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.165.598.959309995@...> Hello, I agree that the festive 50 is a disappointment and is as predictable as another heavy Aberdeen defeat by one of the Old Firm. Where the hell did the Beach Boys come from? And is Temptation by New Order really the 18th best record of all-time? I agree with Rob that a choice of best band or artist would have been better. But better still would be for Peel to get his own back and choose his personal all-time favourite 50. And where is The great single of all-time? I'm talking about Heartbreak Hotel by Elvis. And is Sheela na Gig by PJ really a cut above Sign of the Times by Prince, badly neglected by the Peel show. And if DJ Kaos or Public Enemy don't make the top ten it will be the biggest public disgrace since Robbie Fowler offered his buttocks to Graham Le Saux. John Leslie Aberdeen From dodgefromgrange@... Sun Jan 23 00:26:16 2000 From: dodgefromgrange@... (Kevin Culhane) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:26:16 +0000 Subject: Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.165.599.959309995@...> >And if DJ Kaos or Public Enemy don't make the top >ten it will be the biggest public disgrace since >Robbie Fowler offered his buttocks to Graham Le Saux. > >John Leslie Ah yes, many a 'wasted' vote on DJ Kaos from this quarter too. Phantom is clearly the greatest tune ever. Kevin. _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com From ijgrieve@... Sun Jan 23 00:30:55 2000 From: ijgrieve@... (ijgrieve@...) Date: 22 Jan 2000 23:30:55 -0000 Subject: 1990 Peelennium Message-ID: <76369.165.600.959309995@...> I'm sorry it's a bit off topic but can anyone please help. On the 1990 Peelennium I heard the best song I've heard in ages. It was the first track--'I'm Hardly Ever Wrong' by the Would-Be's. I've tried to track it down since but without success. Does anyone know how to get it? From ijgrieve@... Sun Jan 23 00:37:38 2000 From: ijgrieve@... (ijgrieve@...) Date: 22 Jan 2000 23:37:38 -0000 Subject: Voting for John Peel's Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.165.601.959309995@...> Just, perhaps, of interest, these are the tracks I voted for for the 1999 Festive 50: 1 COGNOSCENTI VS INTELLIGENTSIA Cuban Boys 2 THE SHAG IS TOTALLY COOL Billy Graves 3 YOU EAT ONE LOUSY FOOT AND YOU'RE A CANNIBAL Spray The second one I wasn't sure if it counted as 1999 or not so I put a 4th one on the bottom: 4 I CONFESS Marine Research with instructions to shift the bottom 2 up one if #2 was ineligible. Track #3 was one of my favourites I've ever heard on John Peel, so I voted for that even though I knew that it hadn't a chance of getting in really. I thought it was really good and original and more should have been made of it. For the all time Festive 50 I voted for my real favourite 3 tracks even though I've only listened since 1996 and knew they probably wouldn't get in: 1 BETTER THAN MYSELF Cay 2 RUNAWAY Discount 3 EXILED Travis Cut From aidan@... Sun Jan 23 01:37:16 2000 From: aidan@... (Aidan Warner) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:37:16 GMT Subject: Voting for John Peel's Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.165.602.959309995@...> On 22 Jan 2000 23:37:38 -0000, ijgrieve wrote: > 3 YOU EAT ONE LOUSY FOOT AND YOU'RE A CANNIBAL Spray > Track #3 was one of my favourites I've ever > heard on John Peel, so I voted for that even > though I knew that it hadn't a chance of > getting in really. I thought it was really good > and original and more should have been made of it. Someone else, fantastic. I admit I didn't vote in the Festive 50, but around the place I have bits of paper with track names jotted down, that I fully intend to go and find one day, and your #3 is one of those bits of paper, so to speak. I know nothing about the band at all... is there time for another play of this track, and some band info, Mr Peel? Aidan, who probably missed the show where John went into loads of detail about the nand and played loads of their tracks... ---- My webshite: http://www.obscurity.freeserve.co.uk Campaign for Unmetered Telecomms: http://www.unmetered.org.uk Please visit: http://www.thehungersite.com "Out of all the people out there you'd like to have sex with, how many would you like to have a coffee with?" - Jonathan Creek From simian_spice@... Sun Jan 23 01:42:45 2000 From: simian_spice@... (Simian Spice) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:42:45 -0000 Subject: Voting for John Peel's Festive 50s Message-ID: <76369.165.603.959309995@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Aidan Warner To: Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [peel] Voting for John Peel's Festive 50s > From: Aidan Warner > > > On 22 Jan 2000 23:37:38 -0000, ijgrieve wrote: > > > 3 YOU EAT ONE LOUSY FOOT AND YOU'RE A CANNIBAL Spray > > > Track #3 was one of my favourites I've ever > > heard on John Peel, so I voted for that even > > though I knew that it hadn't a chance of > > getting in really. I thought it was really good > > and original and more should have been made of it. > > Someone else, fantastic. I admit I didn't vote in the Festive 50, but > around the place I have bits of paper with track names jotted down, that > I fully intend to go and find one day, and your #3 is one of those bits > of paper, so to speak. I know nothing about the band at all... is there time > for another play of this track, and some band info, Mr Peel? > > > Aidan, who probably missed the show where John went into loads of detail > about the nand and played loads of their tracks... > http://www.spraynet.freeserve.co.uk/ It involves Cuban Boys, and there used to be more of that website, Mp3's and stuff. Unless it's a completely different band with the same name. Neil From ijgrieve@... Sun Jan 23 13:07:10 2000 From: ijgrieve@... (ijgrieve@...) Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:07:10 -0000 Subject: All Time Festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.166.604.959309995@...> >I'm talking about Heartbreak Hotel by >Elvis. And is Sheela na Gig by PJ really a cut above Sign of the Times >by Prince, badly neglected by the Peel show. I think it is wise to remember that the votes are cast exclusively by listeners of the Peel show, so that type of music--PJ Harvey etc--is likely to be in the all time Festive 50. If you think that Prince is better than PJ Harvey there are other radio shows, radio stations, and all time countdowns You wouldn't find the Fall in the Virgin Top 500. From stuart@... Sun Jan 23 13:02:36 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:02:36 +0000 Subject: F50 Message-ID: <76369.166.605.959309995@...> Replying to everything at once... >Anarchy in the UK, Love Will tear Us Apart, Atmosphere, Blue Monday, Teenage >Kicks, Smells Like Teen Spirit, White Man in Hammersmith Palais, Eat yself >Fitter, Song 2 and There is a Light that Never Goes Out... With that apart from the lack of 'How Soon is Now', possibly something replacing 'Song 2'? Hope so! Also, I would have thought the top MBV track would be 'You Made Me Realise'. But what do I know? 'Geek Love' fans not listening any more? Or have they not mastered email yet? >Controversial maybe, but can John Peel justifiably moan about >conservatism in the F50 when the Peelennium 2000 contained New Order >and Cinerama? I can't think of much more conservative than New Order... >b) Ivor Cutler - GENIUS...but can you think of ONE standout track to pick on? Narrowing it down to music rather than spoken word stuff, "Wooden Tree" does it for me every time. I'd personally be delighted but astonished if Public Enemy were in the top 10. And I'd be horrified if Prince made it, his appearance in a F50 in the past was for me a bigger insult to the memory of Bogshed than the Beach Boys and Beatles appearing in this one. But, hey, if we all liked the same things... Stuart From robert.ayres@... Sun Jan 23 18:16:30 2000 From: robert.ayres@... (robert.ayres) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:16:30 -0000 Subject: best Fall albums Message-ID: <76369.166.606.959309995@...> > From: "Dave" > Hello! > Ok, I'm trying to get into The Fall, as everyone keeps raving about them. > Can anyone recommend the best album, or should I buy The Marshall Suite > because its the most recent. How many LPs have they (he?) actually released. I reckon The Fall must have released about 30 albums by now. They are a pretty remarkable band due to the consistently high quality of the music. So you can confidently buy whatever's available. My favorites are 'Code Selfish' and 'Curious Orange'. Rob A From GForsyth@... Sun Jan 23 18:33:58 2000 From: GForsyth@... (George Forsyth) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:33:58 -0000 Subject: best Fall albums Message-ID: <76369.166.607.959309995@...> Extricate Live At the Witch Trials The Wonderful and Frightening world -----Original Message----- From: robert.ayres To: peel@onelist.com Date: 23 January 2000 17:14 Subject: [peel] best Fall albums >From: "robert.ayres" > > >> From: "Dave" > >> Hello! >> Ok, I'm trying to get into The Fall, as everyone keeps raving about them. >> Can anyone recommend the best album, or should I buy The Marshall Suite >> because its the most recent. How many LPs have they (he?) actually >released. > >I reckon The Fall must have released about 30 albums by now. They are a >pretty remarkable band due to the consistently high quality of the music. So >you can confidently buy whatever's available. My favorites are 'Code >Selfish' and 'Curious Orange'. > >Rob A > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From gwood@... Sun Jan 23 23:38:11 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:38:11 GMT Subject: 1990 Peelennium, Fall, 10 more... Message-ID: <76369.166.608.959309995@...> From: ijgrieve@... >On the 1990 Peelennium I heard the best song I've heard in ages. >It was the first track--'I'm Hardly Ever Wrong' by the Would-Be's. >I've tried to track it down since but without success. Does anyone >know how to get it? I imagine that 2nd hand shops are your only chance. It was the Would Be's debut single, I believe, released on Decoy (DYS 13T). The band were from Dublin, I think, fairly young, and were patronised both by Peel and Morrissey (no surprise really). I think they only managed three singles before disappearing, and the singer on the "I'm Hardly Ever Wrong" had left before the follow-up. That hasn't helped, I'm sure. As for Fall recommendations, you'll get a different selection from just about every Fall fan going. As a suggestion relevant to this list, I'd say that "The Peel Sessions" CD released last year would be a good starting point, as you get a small sample of each stage in their whole career. And the version of "Smile" on there is unsurpassable. Gez, still also hoping for a Geek Love appearance From ianst@... Mon Jan 24 00:47:06 2000 From: ianst@... (ianst@...) Date: 23 Jan 2000 23:47:06 -0000 Subject: Prediction Message-ID: <76369.166.609.959309995@...> I predict the top of the all-time festive 50 as follows:- 1 - 'Anarchy in the UK'- Sex Pistols 2 - 'Blue Monday' - New Order 3 - 'Love will tear us apart' - Joy Division This wouldn't be my choice, just what i think will happen. I'd have The Smiths at number one with 'How Soon Is Now?'.Surprised there's no Husker Du in the chart! Ian From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sun Jan 23 11:40:08 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) Date: 23 Jan 2000 10:40:08 GMT Subject: F50/Spray Message-ID: <76369.166.610.959309995@...> ijgrieve writes: Just, perhaps, of interest, these are the tracks I voted for for the 1999 Festive 50: 1 COGNOSCENTI VS INTELLIGENTSIA Cuban Boys 2 THE SHAG IS TOTALLY COOL Billy Graves 3 YOU EAT ONE LOUSY FOOT AND YOU'RE A CANNIBAL Spray Funnily enough, Spray was the band that some of the Cuban Boys were in before the Cuban Boys, not sure if they are still an ongoing project, but some of the other songs they recorded were also as good as "Cannibal". They have a website at : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~chcott/menu.html I think there's also a link from either the Cuban Boys site or the Artists Against Success site. Their CD (R) is worth getting hold of if it's still available. I sent them a cheque for mine, and they very charitably returned the cheque with the CD, as they'd just signed to EMI! I for one am enjoying the festive all time 50, glad he spread it out, but will be glad when we get back to normality next week, hopefully Peel can then start to catch up with playing the mountain of new records that the Peelenium etc have deprived us of hearing. Anyone know where I can find a copy of the Angelic "It's My Turn" 12"? Cheers, Rocker, rocker@... From emerson_63@... Mon Jan 24 01:52:22 2000 From: emerson_63@... (emerson_63@...) Date: 24 Jan 2000 00:52:22 -0000 Subject: Re-Candy Skin Message-ID: <76369.166.611.959309995@...> Hello, Yes, Candy Skin, I think 9 of your choices will be in the top 10 but may I suggest the missing record. I have a feeling Strawberry Fields Forever(not the Candy Flip version)will be there, based on the fact that 2 Beach Boys tracks were in the chart(a fact I still can't quite believe,when is Elton John going to make an appearance?)and it's 38 times as good as I Am The Walrus. I think the Top 10 will look something like this: 10.There is a Light-The Smiths 9.Eat Yourself Fitter-The Fall 8.White Man in Hammersmith-Clash 7.Strawberry Fields-Beatles 6.Blue Monday-New Order 5.Love Will Tear Us Apart-Joy Division 4.Teenage Kicks-Undertones 3.Atmosphere-Joy Division 2.Smells Like Teen Spirit-Nirvana 1.Anarchy in the UK-Sex Pistols Now I will prepare to put some egg on my face. Trainspotter or what? John Leslie Aberdeen. From andys@... Mon Jan 24 12:52:03 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:52:03 GMT Subject: best Fall albums Message-ID: <76369.167.612.959309995@...> As a non-hardcore Fall fan, I'd definitely go for Extricate. Other faves include Kurious Oranj and The Wonderful And Frightening World Of. The 458489 A sides singles collection's pretty good too, as sample through (part of) their career. Andy From Les_Miller@... Mon Jan 24 17:01:11 2000 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:01:11 +0000 Subject: F50/Spray Message-ID: <76369.167.613.959309995@...> Well, I didn't know that. Peel played an excellent Spray track last year and I have never been able to find it. Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) on 23/01/2000 10:40:08 Please respond to peel@onelist.com Sent by: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) To: peel@onelist.com cc: peel@onelist.com (Les Miller/GB/3Com) Subject: [peel] Re: F50/Spray Funnily enough, Spray was the band that some of the Cuban Boys were in before the Cuban Boys, not sure if they are still an ongoing project, but some of the other songs they recorded were also as good as "Cannibal". They have a website at : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~chcott/menu.html From lists1947@... Mon Jan 24 19:06:20 2000 From: lists1947@... (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee=20Pilich?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:06:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Digest Number 166 Message-ID: <76369.167.614.959309995@...> > As for Fall recommendations, you'll get a different > selection from > just about every Fall fan going. Whenever I've tried to get people into the Fall in the past, the album that's come closest has usually been Extricate, which I can't say I understand, but maybe that's the place to start. Though the last one (The Marshall Suite) is indeed excellent. So, yeah, buy that one first - at least you'll know some of the songs if you ever go to gigs that way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From robfleay@... Mon Jan 24 18:48:11 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:48:11 -0000 Subject: best Fall albums Message-ID: <76369.167.615.959309995@...> You can't ignore Hex Enduction Hour - although Hip Priests & Kamerads was a better selection as it included other stuff from that period ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From emerson_63@... Mon Jan 24 19:31:26 2000 From: emerson_63@... (emerson_63@...) Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:31:26 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.167.616.959309995@...> Hi, I forgot about God Save The Queen(not the Queen version) and How Soon is Now. They'll probably be in there especially the Pistols so I'll put that at no.7 instead of the Beatles. And How Soon is Now will tie at no.10. And I still think Sign of the Times by Prince is a Peel show record. In fact, I remember Peel raving about a Prince concert when he did a column for the Observer many years ago. I'm also looking forward to the new Primals album and to Aberdeen beating Motherwell on Wednesday. Now that really is a bold prediction. Bye,bye. John Leslie Aberdeen From robfleay@... Mon Jan 24 18:53:42 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:53:42 -0000 Subject: F50/Spray Message-ID: <76369.167.617.959309995@...> > Well, I didn't know that. Peel played an excellent Spray track last year > and I have never been able to find it. Spray is Ricardo Autobahn of the Cuban Boys. He was doing this before he hooked up with the other Cuban's and I remember Mat telling me he finds it hilarious that he'd been doing it for years and being uniformly ignored.. ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From GForsyth@... Mon Jan 24 23:36:58 2000 From: GForsyth@... (George Forsyth) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:36:58 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.167.618.959309995@...> -and to Aberdeen beating Motherwell on >Wednesday. > Now that is just plain silly. George Forsyth From d.mckinnon@... Tue Jan 25 10:00:37 2000 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:00:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.167.619.959309995@...> > From: emerson_63@... > > > Hi, > I forgot about God Save The Queen(not the Queen version) > and How Soon is Now. They'll probably be in there especially > the Pistols so I'll put that at no.7 instead of the Beatles. > And How Soon is Now will tie at no.10. And I still think > Sign of the Times by Prince is a Peel show record. It was certainly in the FF in the year that it came out (1987? 1988?), although I thought it was one of those ones that got in without him having played it. > In fact, I remember Peel raving about a Prince concert when he did a > column for the Observer many years ago. I remember that too, although you may also remember him raving about a Michael Jackson concert a couple of weeks either before or after the Prince one. He was quite impressed with the show put on by each of them (I'm pretty sure it was the "Lovesexy" tour by Prince) rather than their back catalogue. Either that or we can maybe look forward to a big surprise appearance of "Beat It" in the ATFF top ten. I seem to remember around about that time he played a B-side of a Prince single and said it was the best thing he'd ever done. > I'm also looking forward to > the new Primals album and to Aberdeen beating Motherwell on > Wednesday. Yes - And get those Killie scum relegated. Oh, aye - best Fall album? I'd go along with "Extricate" as one of their best. I'm a bit surprised with the praise for "Kurious Oranj" - I think it's one of their worst (along with "The Frenz Experiment" that came out around the same time). Of the old, old ones, well, where do you start? "Live At The Witch Trials", "Bend Sinister", "This Nation's Saving Grace" and a dozen others are all good in my book. dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From stuart@... Tue Jan 25 12:32:37 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:32:37 +0000 Subject: Re-Candy Skin Message-ID: <76369.167.620.959309995@...> >Yes, Candy Skin, I think 9 of your choices will be in >the top 10 but may I suggest the missing record. I misread this to start with and thought that you were indeed nominating the Fire Engines. Would that it were, eh? Anyway, I'm inclined to think that Strawberry Fields (doesn't that new Oasis etc etc) won't make it, I'll say no more than that, but your top 10 looks about right (Peelie said it waas predictable after all). Aptly, I reckon the Beatles will be replaced by God Save The Queen (I assume I've not missed it being on already?) >10.There is a Light-The Smiths > 9.Eat Yourself Fitter-The Fall > 8.White Man in Hammersmith-Clash > 7.Strawberry Fields-Beatles > 6.Blue Monday-New Order > 5.Love Will Tear Us Apart-Joy Division > 4.Teenage Kicks-Undertones > 3.Atmosphere-Joy Division > 2.Smells Like Teen Spirit-Nirvana > 1.Anarchy in the UK-Sex Pistols S From CandySkinn@... Tue Jan 25 13:14:16 2000 From: CandySkinn@... (CandySkinn@...) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:14:16 EST Subject: Elton John Message-ID: <76369.168.621.959309995@...> In a message dated 24/01/00 11:45:06 GMT Standard Time, John Leslie writes: << a fact I still can't quite believe,when is Elton John going to make an appearance? >> Well, you may laugh but pretty much my favourite all time Peel session track is Elton John singing a raucous 'Your Song' with Peel & Walters on backing vox, dated around 1971 I think although aired a few times since. Worthy of a FF entry, although I didn't vote for it. As for the Beach Boys, is anyone aware of JP having played a Beach Boys track before this? Cheers Candy From stuart@... Wed Jan 26 00:00:19 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:00:19 +0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.168.622.959309995@...> >10.There is a Light-The Smiths > 9.Eat Yourself Fitter-The Fall > 8.White Man in Hammersmith-Clash > 7.Strawberry Fields-Beatles > 6.Blue Monday-New Order > 5.Love Will Tear Us Apart-Joy Division > 4.Teenage Kicks-Undertones > 3.Atmosphere-Joy Division > 2.Smells Like Teen Spirit-Nirvana > 1.Anarchy in the UK-Sex Pistols Well, that's buggered it up - Song to the Siren? And There is a Light? (Whither 'How Soon is Now'?) The smart money (me) is now saying there's no Fall in the top 10 as no-one knew which one to vote for! Either that or no Clash... how soon we forget, eh? S From festiv50@... Wed Jan 26 01:45:00 2000 From: festiv50@... (festiv50@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 00:45:00 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty/Elton John Message-ID: <76369.168.623.959309995@...> I've been taping the FF's since mid '80's and I distinctly remember J.P. doing a session of Elton John playing a pub piano in 1985. Even though I don't like the bespectacled piano player, I've got a tape of Elton John, when he did a stint as a D.J. on Radio 1 at Easter approx. 1974, entitled EJ the DJ. At the time he played some pretty cool stuff:- Edgar Winter B.B.King Early Jefferson Starship Early Joe Walsh Early Bobby Womack Bobby Bland You've got to realise, that for 1974, this was pretty cool. From danbutt@... Wed Jan 26 13:38:30 2000 From: danbutt@... (Daniel Butt) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:38:30 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.169.624.959309995@...> > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:00:19 +0000 > From: Stuart McHugh > Subject: Re: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 > Well, that's buggered it up - Song to the Siren? And There is a Light? > (Whither 'How Soon is Now'?) > The smart money (me) is now saying there's no Fall in the top 10 as no-one > knew which one to vote for! > Either that or no Clash... how soon we forget, eh? Or no Fall *and* no Clash. I think it's inconceivable that the top 5 won't include Atmosphere, Love Will..., Teenage Kicks, How Soon, and Anarchy. It might even be in that order (1-5), seeing as Joy Division have done so well. Which leaves God Save the Queen and White Man in the Hamersmith Palais out of the top 50 and below 2 Beach Boys and one Jimi Hendrix song. Good God.And no Geek Love either :( Seeing as we're getting so anal about this stuff (the obsessiveness of others has been a great comfort to me), did anyone use to listen to "Turn It Up!" on Radio Sussex and Surrey? If so, does anyone have any lists (or, please God, tapes) of the end of year listener charts? I've got a tape of the (I think) 1992 Top 20, which is one of my very favourite things (Top 3: Pavement, Sonic Youth, Huggy Bear). I've net trawled, but to no avail. Cheers, Daniel Daniel From gwood@... Wed Jan 26 13:53:32 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:53:32 +0000 Subject: top 5 Message-ID: <76369.169.625.959309995@...> At 12:38 26/01/00 -0000, Daniel Butt wrote: > >Or no Fall *and* no Clash. I think it's inconceivable that the top 5 won't >include Atmosphere, Love Will..., Teenage Kicks, How Soon, and Anarchy. It >might even be in that order (1-5), seeing as Joy Division have done so well. That's funny, I could have swore that I heard "How Soon Is Now?" at No.7 or so last night...guess that allows one of "God Save..." or "White Man..." in. If I was a betting man, I'd go for the former. At least the Samurai Seven will get a bit more publicity tonight. Gez. From d.mckinnon@... Wed Jan 26 15:32:23 2000 From: d.mckinnon@... (Dougal McKinnon) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:32:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.169.626.959309995@...> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:38:30 -0000 Daniel Butt wrote: > From: "Daniel Butt" > > > Or no Fall *and* no Clash. I think it's inconceivable that the top 5 won't > include Atmosphere, Love Will..., Teenage Kicks, How Soon, and Anarchy. "How Soon Is Now?" was on last night's prog in the run-down from 10 to 6. With the crushing inevitability of "Teenage Kicks" being in the top 5 - how many people that voted for it did so because THEY rate it in the top 3 songs of all time and how many because Peel does? I suppose we'll never know...... (Not that I have anything against the song myself). I'm off down Ladbrokes to play money on a long-odds bet that the top 3 will contain Big Flame, Bogshed and The Fire Engines. dougal mckinnon (d.mckinnon@...) From tim.whitehouse@... Wed Jan 26 16:57:51 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:57:51 -0000 Subject: Predictable? Im confused. Message-ID: <76369.169.627.959309995@...> Well 2 of tonights five or going to be Atmosphere and Love will tear us apart. Not sure what else as Blue Monday and How soon is now I would have been certain to be top 5. Looks like no Sonic Youth at all that really shows something is wrong. How about the La's a lot of people seem to love there she goes. Which reminds me of only one Velvet Underground track, surely there should be more. Maybe All Tomorrows Parties will be in the Top 5. Probably because of the festival if it is. No Slint either, why? Did JP ever play them? Oh yeah Teenage Kicks will be in there. Sorry for the confusion of this it's probably more than a little hard to follow. > Well, that's buggered it up - Song to the Siren? And There is a Light? > (Whither 'How Soon is Now'?) > The smart money (me) is now saying there's no Fall in the top 10 as no-one > knew which one to vote for! > Either that or no Clash... how soon we forget, eh? > > S > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From robfleay@... Wed Jan 26 20:22:06 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:22:06 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.169.628.959309995@...> > Well, that's buggered it up - Song to the Siren? And There is a Light? > (Whither 'How Soon is Now'?) The smart money (me) is now saying there's no > Fall in the top 10 as no-one knew which one to vote for! Either that or no > Clash... how soon we forget, eh? Don't you think the all time chart gives away a few things about Peel's current demographic? How many 16 yr old kids do you REALLY think rate How Soon Is Now as one of the greatest songs they've ever heard? Or maybe the only listeners who could be arsed to vote are all late 20's-early 30's?? ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From robfleay@... Wed Jan 26 20:23:13 2000 From: robfleay@... (Robf) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:23:13 -0000 Subject: Predictable? Im confused. Message-ID: <76369.169.629.959309995@...> > Top 5. Probably because of the festival if it is. No Slint either, why? > Did JP ever play them? Oh yeah Teenage Kicks will be in there. Good Morning Captain was in the F50 one year. ========================================= robfleay@... http://www.aas.mcmail.com ========================================= From danbutt@... Wed Jan 26 22:20:25 2000 From: danbutt@... (Daniel Butt) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:20:25 -0000 Subject: Subject: Re: A definite cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.169.630.959309995@...> So, like a moron, I forgot "How Soon Is Now" was in last night. So please ignore me. Doh-niel From ijgrieve@... Wed Jan 26 22:40:35 2000 From: ijgrieve@... (ijgrieve@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 21:40:35 -0000 Subject: Top 5 Message-ID: <76369.169.631.959309995@...> Any predictions. I'll have a go, but I was surprised to hear Blue Monday lower than top 3. 5 LOVE WILL TEAR US APART Joy Division 4 GOD SAVE THE QUEEN Sex Pistols 3 ATMOSPHERE Joy Division 2 ANARCHY IN THE UK Sex Pistols 1 TEENAGE KICKS Undertones Probably all wrong but never mind. Anyway, anybody up for a petition to hear 'You Eat One Lousy Foot' again? From festiv50@... Wed Jan 26 23:11:19 2000 From: festiv50@... (festiv50@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 22:11:19 -0000 Subject: Festive Fifty/Beach Boys Message-ID: <76369.169.632.959309995@...> I vaguely remember him previewing a new Beach Boys album. Checking the Guinness Album Book, I think it may have been the "Holland" album which 1st hit the charts Feb '73. Not that I even like the Beach boys even though I was of a record buying age when their 1st single was released. From emerson_63@... Wed Jan 26 23:51:39 2000 From: emerson_63@... (emerson_63@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 22:51:39 -0000 Subject: EltonJohn and Queen were once Peel favourites Message-ID: <76369.169.633.959309995@...> My prediction was wrong but it was great to hear This Mortal Coil at number 10.And I was surprised Nirvana only got to 8. But I got New Order right at no.6. So I think the top 5 will be Anarchy,Atmosphere,God Save the Queen,Teenage Kicks and Love will Tear... Dull really. Only one Clash record, that's a surprise and 2 Beach Boys to one Beatles? I don't get that. I think we'll have to petition Peel to hear that Elton session again though. I don't remember Elton as a DJ although it's usually the case that their musical taste is the complete opposite from the music they make. It wouldn't surprise me if a member of Steps is a closet Throbbing Gristle fan. However I do remember that Keith Moon DJ'd a few times on the Peel show and was quite amusing.I would like to hear some of those shows again. Does anyone remember Queen doing a Peel session around 1977? Candy Skin, maybe you do. I seem to remember they did an alternate version of We Will Rock You but can't remember any of the other tracks. The thing is, I'm not completely sure it was a Peel session. Oh, and for viewers in England, Aberdeen got a comfortable draw against Motherwell. John Leslie Aberdeen. From festiv50@... Thu Jan 27 00:25:26 2000 From: festiv50@... (festiv50@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 23:25:26 -0000 Subject: All time FF Message-ID: <76369.169.634.959309995@...> I have not read all of the postings as I have only just found this site, so I may be repeating stuff. The All time FF: 1) Is very reminscent of my 1st tapes of the FF ('84), which was possibly the last before he changed the format to tracks/sessions released/1st recorded in that year. 2) None or very little "global" music - No Bhundu Boys or Papa Wembey(J.P's Favourite guitarist). 3) I get the impression that people voting for Beatles and Beach Boys tracks heard J.P. for the 1st time when he announced this chart. I bet no-one on this board voted for these tracks. 4) My next 2 point may cancel each other out. a)I don't mean to be patronising but generally the younger listeners may have a limited view ie. have less of a selection(haven't heard much of the earlier stuff) b)The older listeners (this is even more contentious) may have reached the point where they can't accept "new" music(unlikely, as they would have stopped listening by now). The reason for this point is that most of my colleagues on reaching 40, their music taste stops at Phil Collins and Simply Red. I have only 1 aquaintance of my age (49 this year)who still listens to Peely. From festiv50@... Thu Jan 27 00:41:50 2000 From: festiv50@... (festiv50@...) Date: 26 Jan 2000 23:41:50 -0000 Subject: Close but no cigar Message-ID: <76369.169.635.959309995@...> To Stuart McHugh Your 5,4,3 - Actually 3,2,1 Predictable or what? From sheetals@... Thu Jan 27 00:42:38 2000 From: sheetals@... (Sheetal Singh) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:42:38 -0800 Subject: Atmosphere Message-ID: <76369.169.636.959309995@...> I love the song, but does anyone else think that Ian Curtis sounds a bit like Kermit the Frog? -sheetal -----Original Message----- From: festiv50@... [mailto:festiv50@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:42 PM To: peel@onelist.com Subject: [peel] Close but no cigar From: festiv50@... To Stuart McHugh Your 5,4,3 - Actually 3,2,1 Predictable or what? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- $20 OFF PURCHASES FOR YOUR CAT AT PETOPIA.COM! Treat your cat to $20 off all the food, toys & treats your cat desires when you purchase $30 or more! Hurry! Offer expires soon! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From stuart@... Thu Jan 27 09:31:46 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:31:46 +0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.170.637.959309995@...> Call me trainspottery, call me anal, but I was at a gig last night (surely a suitable excuse!) and missed the top 5! The suspense is killing me! Who didn't make the 5 - Undertones, Fall, Pistols - the mind boggles. Some kind soul please put me out of my misery. Cheers S From gwood@... Thu Jan 27 13:08:00 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:08:00 +0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.170.638.959309995@...> At 08:31 27/01/00 +0000, Stuart McHugh wrote: > >Call me trainspottery, call me anal, but I was at a gig last night (surely >a suitable excuse!) and missed the top 5! The suspense is killing me! Who >didn't make the 5 - Undertones, Fall, Pistols - the mind boggles. >Some kind soul please put me out of my misery. 1 Joy Division - Atmosphere 2 Undertones - Teenage Kicks 3 Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart 4 Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK 5 Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais Gez. From skip@... Tue Jan 25 20:23:28 2000 From: skip@... (skip@...) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:23:28 -0000 Subject: the fall's pigeons Message-ID: <76369.170.639.959309995@...> here's what Fallnet thought were the best fall albums. i like slates myself. "Dear schmucks, Okay,you can unbate your breath now,here is the list of Fave Fall albums as voted for just recently Position Album Points 29 Cerebral Caustic 1 28 Bend Sinister 2 26= Shiftwork 3 26= B Sides 3 25 Peel Sessions 7 24 Frenz Experiment 9 23 Kurious Oranj 11 22 Extricate 12 21 Middle Class Revolt 13 19= Marshall Suite 19 19= Chaos Tapes 19 18 Palace of Swords 23 17 WaF World 25 15= 77-79 Early Years 26 15= In a Hole 26 13= Room To Live 30 13= Code: Selfish 30 12 27 Points 31 11 Infotaintment Scan 39 9= Light User Syndrome 41 9= Levitate 41 8 Totale's Turns 44 7 Live at the Witch Trials 60 6 Dragnet 139 5 Slates 147 4 This Nation's Saving Grace 152 3 Grotesque 153 2 Perverted By Language 160 1 Hex Enduction Hour 254" From janb@... Thu Jan 27 20:37:01 2000 From: janb@... (Jan Buxton) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:37:01 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.170.640.959309995@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Robf To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [peel] Re: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 > How many 16 yr old kids do you REALLY think rate How > Soon Is Now as one of the greatest songs they've ever > heard? I'm 17 and I do. -- Jan From tim.whitehouse@... Thu Jan 27 00:48:13 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:48:13 -0000 Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.170.641.959309995@...> > How many 16 yr old kids do you REALLY think rate How > Soon Is Now as one of the greatest songs they've ever > heard? ME! I think anyone who listens to Peel often enough no matter how old they are will find out about great bands like the Smiths, Joy Division, MBV etc. Anyway I just got back from seeing Capitol K (bloke with a box and theremin) and Immense (excellent mogwai fans) just to hear Teenage Kicks and atmosphere. Im about to rewind the tape to see what else i will find. Presumably God Save the Queen and Anarchy In the UK. Sadly no Teenage Riot or All Tomorrows Parties or are there? From tim.whitehouse@... Thu Jan 27 00:59:03 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:59:03 -0000 Subject: All time FF Message-ID: <76369.170.642.959309995@...> > 4) My next 2 point may cancel each other out. > a)I don't mean to be patronising but generally the younger listeners > may have a limited view ie. have less of a selection(haven't heard > much of the earlier stuff) Yer definitely. I did say in my vote that Im 16 so feel free to ignore me. But that would probably spoil the point. I would think most Peel listeners are in their 20s. I only know one other person who listens. Anyway I voted for one from Nirvana, Joy Division and the Velvet Underground. The Nirvana one didnt get in! Other two did. Isn't anyone else bored of SLTS and nevermind. In Utero is far far superior in my mind. Yer anyway back to age I won't have heard all those Fall sessions or Captain Beefheart but do make an effort to listen to some older music. From Stephen_J._Wood@... Thu Jan 27 20:44:38 2000 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) Date: 27 Jan 2000 19:44:38 GMT Subject: A probable cock up in my prediction of the Top 10 festive 50 Message-ID: <76369.170.643.959309995@...> peel@onelist.com,Internet writes: maybe the only listeners who could be arsed to vote are all late 20's-early 30's?? More like early 40's! Rocker, rocker@... From Les_Miller@... Fri Jan 28 10:06:33 2000 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:06:33 +0000 Subject: 2000 Singles Message-ID: <76369.170.644.959309995@...> Everyone got their entries in for the 2000 singles competition? Whoever wins will have a task on their hands to listen to them all. Assuming one side lasts on average 5 mins, that's 166 hours or 7 days non-stop (even more if you include b-sides). From gwood@... Fri Jan 28 10:12:21 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:12:21 +0000 Subject: 2000 Singles Message-ID: <76369.170.645.959309995@...> At 09:06 28/01/00 +0000, Les Miller wrote: > >Everyone got their entries in for the 2000 singles competition? >Whoever wins will have a task on their hands to listen to them all. Bit late, fella - the winner was announced last night. 12 correct entries. Shame I didn't make more effort really, as it was only the last one that I was having trouble with. Gez. From LaneC@... Fri Jan 28 11:08:47 2000 From: LaneC@... (Chris Lane) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:08:47 -0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.170.646.959309995@...> > 1 Joy Division - Atmosphere > 2 Undertones - Teenage Kicks > 3 Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart > 4 Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK > 5 Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais Bah! Sent to Paris for two days....left ample supply of minidiscs with my SO but she forgot to tape it.... Waaaahhhhhhh! Mind you, I've got all the tracks...but it sounds that much nicer with a bit of commentary from 'yer man' Peel. Can somebody post 10-6? PS. None of mine have come up :( - not that I expected them to. From gwood@... Fri Jan 28 11:12:06 2000 From: gwood@... (Gerard Wood) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:12:06 +0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.170.647.959309995@...> At 10:08 28/01/00 -0000, Chris Lane wrote: > >Can somebody post 10-6? 1 Joy Division - 'Atmosphere' 2 The Undertones - 'Teenage Kicks' 3 Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' 4 The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' 5 The Clash - 'White Man In Hammersmith Palais' 6 New Order - 'Blue Monday' 7 The Smiths - 'How Soon Is Now' 8 Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' 9 The Smiths - 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out' 10 This Mortal Coil - 'Song To The Siren' From LaneC@... Fri Jan 28 11:26:02 2000 From: LaneC@... (Chris Lane) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:26:02 -0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.170.648.959309995@...> > >Can somebody post 10-6? > > 1 Joy Division - 'Atmosphere' > 2 The Undertones - 'Teenage Kicks' > 3 Joy Division - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' > 4 The Sex Pistols - 'Anarchy In The UK' > 5 The Clash - 'White Man In Hammersmith Palais' > 6 New Order - 'Blue Monday' > 7 The Smiths - 'How Soon Is Now' > 8 Nirvana - 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' > 9 The Smiths - 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out' > 10 This Mortal Coil - 'Song To The Siren' Cheers for that - I guess it's predictable like everyone's said - but at least there's more sanity in this listing than the one that put Robbie Williams ahead of Mozart in the all-time chart. Nothing against the lad at all, but.... I think I'll dig out my Smiths and have a listen :) SOme people find The Smiths 'depressing' - but personally I'm cheered every time I hear the voice of Steven (sp) From tim.whitehouse@... Fri Jan 28 12:02:49 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:02:49 -0000 Subject: 2000 Singles Message-ID: <76369.171.649.959309995@...> Only 12 people in the world got it right. Not me, anyone here? > Everyone got their entries in for the 2000 singles competition? > > Whoever wins will have a task on their hands to listen to them all. Assuming one > side lasts on average 5 mins, that's 166 hours or 7 days non-stop (even more if > you include b-sides). > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From ianst@... Sat Jan 29 02:57:50 2000 From: ianst@... (ianst@...) Date: 29 Jan 2000 01:57:50 -0000 Subject: Competition Message-ID: <76369.171.650.959309995@...> Can someone please tell me the answers to the 2000 12-inches competition? I missed the show on Thursday night! Cheers, Ian From tomagotchi@... Sat Jan 29 03:29:25 2000 From: tomagotchi@... (::: tomagotchi :::) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 02:29:25 +0000 Subject: 2000 Singles Message-ID: <76369.171.651.959309995@...> At 11:02 28/01/00 +0000, you wrote: >From: "tim.whitehouse" > >Only 12 people in the world got it right. Not me, anyone here? yes!! mee... i did.... as did my friend max. i dunno why, but i didnt appear to be included in the 12 clever people when he read them out. ARGGGG.. no fair i say! i e-mailed it like 20 mins after the show with the last clue, i can only presume it went astray. tom xx -- in the year two thousand i think that people will be able to fly everybody will have little rocket shooty things tied on there ankles that shoot fire all our clothes will be made of silver with diamons and roobys we will have no hair and our houses will be like big bouncey bubbles in the sky or under the sea and children will not have to go to school but will watch telly all day and eat baked beans From paters@... Sat Jan 29 13:35:01 2000 From: paters@... (Paterson, Stuart) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:35:01 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 171 Message-ID: <76369.172.652.959309995@...> > Message: 2 > Date: 29 Jan 2000 01:57:50 -0000 > From: ianst@... > Subject: Competition > > Can someone please tell me the answers to the 2000 12-inches > competition? > I missed the show on Thursday night! > Cheers, > Ian 1. Cornelius Start Fruit (?) remix by Damon Albarn 2. The Pastels thomson colour remix by To Rococo Rot 3. New Order Blue Monday remix by Richie Hawtin I was one of the 12 and first with a reply according to Peely, unfortunately i didn't win though 2000 12"'s would probably have resulted in a divorce. Cheers Stuart From stuart@... Sat Jan 29 14:32:29 2000 From: stuart@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:32:29 +0000 Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.172.653.959309995@...> > 1 Joy Division - Atmosphere > 2 Undertones - Teenage Kicks > 3 Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart > 4 Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK > 5 Clash - White Man In Hammersmith Palais we could discuss this to death, but is it only me who was astonished not to see God Save The Queen in the top 3? Especially as "Pretty Vacant' arreaped earlier in the chart (for my money the weakest Pistols song of all). Anyway, mustn't grumble... S From dougal@... Sat Jan 29 19:50:47 2000 From: dougal@... (dougal@...) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:50:47 +0000 Subject: How Soon Is Now Message-ID: <76369.172.654.959309995@...> Hi all, Am I the only person in the world who thinks HSIN is the most over-rated Smiths song ever? I mean, it's just a couple of chords through some FX!!!! Hardly a good example of what JM can do... and lyrically far from their best. And it goes on, and on, and on...... Am I mad???! I wouldn't have put this in the top 50 at all. And I *love* The Smiths! Dougal From danbutt@... Sun Jan 30 04:03:21 2000 From: danbutt@... (Daniel Butt) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:03:21 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 171 Message-ID: <76369.172.655.959309995@...> > 1. Cornelius Start Fruit (?) remix by Damon Albarn Cornelius - Star Fruits Surf Rider (Damon Albarn Remix) > 2. The Pastels thomson colour remix by To Rococo Rot > 3. New Order Blue Monday remix by Richie Hawtin > > I was one of the 12 and first with a reply according to Peely, unfortunately > i didn't win though 2000 12"'s would probably have resulted in a divorce. Oh cool. So I got them right as well. I missed the show - sorry to be tragically sad, but did he read my name out? And if so - um - I don't suppose anyone taped it? I cringe to even ask, but it would be kind of nice to have... Although it sounds as if he didn't manage to read out the names of everyone who got it right anyway. I assume I didn't win!? Dan Butt From pete@... Sun Jan 30 12:55:39 2000 From: pete@... (pete flynn) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:55:39 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 172 Message-ID: <76369.173.656.959309995@...> > From: "Daniel Butt" > Subject: Re: Digest Number 171 > > > 1. Cornelius Start Fruit (?) remix by Damon Albarn > > Cornelius - Star Fruits Surf Rider (Damon Albarn Remix) > > > 2. The Pastels thomson colour remix by To Rococo Rot > > 3. New Order Blue Monday remix by Richie Hawtin > > > > I was one of the 12 and first with a reply according to Peely, > unfortunately > > i didn't win though 2000 12"'s would probably have resulted in a divorce. > > Oh cool. So I got them right as well. I missed the show - sorry to be > tragically sad, but did he read my name out? And if so - um - I don't > suppose anyone taped it? I cringe to even ask, but it would be kind of nice > to have... Although it sounds as if he didn't manage to read out the names > of everyone who got it right anyway. > > I assume I didn't win!? .......I think your name was in there, cos it's similar to someone i went to school with so it caught my ear. The winner was someone who lived up north I think... pete From tim.whitehouse@... Sun Jan 30 15:54:27 2000 From: tim.whitehouse@... (tim.whitehouse) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:54:27 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 172 Message-ID: <76369.173.657.959309995@...> > .......I think your name was in there, cos it's similar to someone i went to > school with so it caught my ear. > That is a blatant lie, if it caught your ear it was because it contained the word "butt" From danbutt@... Sun Jan 30 17:39:18 2000 From: danbutt@... (Daniel Butt) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:39:18 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 172 Message-ID: <76369.173.658.959309995@...> > From: "tim.whitehouse" > > > .......I think your name was in there, cos it's similar to someone i went > to > > school with so it caught my ear. > > > That is a blatant lie, if it caught your ear it was because it contained the > word "butt" ...but I appreciate the tact! My middle name is James, so that makes me DJ Butt. I should be making music for porn films. Dan From andys@... Mon Jan 31 10:48:19 2000 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:48:19 GMT Subject: ATF5 Message-ID: <76369.173.659.959309995@...> stuart: > we could discuss this to death, but is it only me who was > astonished not to see God Save The Queen in the top 3? No, I was astonished too. I've never really rated the Sex Pistols, but I like some of their stuff. I was also surprised at Atmosphere being no. 1, but I'm told it used to be no. 1 in the old all-time Festive 50s. I've never really liked Joy Division that much either. Anyhow, speaking of the Sex Pistols, we can debate punk bands at length after next Saturday's Channel 4 Top Ten Punk Bands. Not to be missed. Dougal: > Am I the only person in the world who thinks HSIN is the most > over-rated Smiths song ever? Yes, it's great! Possibly my favourite Smiths record. Perhaps not a great song (if you put it to the old "does it work if you get one man with an acoustic guitar to perform it?" test it might fall a bit flat), but it's a fantastic huge powerful rumbling big beastie thing of a record. I got the Primal Scream LP at the weekend. Not a band I'd normally rush out to buy, but it's great, with moments of fantastic huge powerful rumbling-ness. Andy From R.Hibbitt@... Tue Jan 4 11:20:05 2000 From: R.Hibbitt@... (Richard Hibbitt) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2000 10:20:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How Soon Is Now Message-ID: <76369.173.660.959309995@...> > Am I the only person in the world who thinks HSIN is the most > over-rated Smiths song ever? I mean, it's just a couple of chords > through some FX!!!! Hardly a good example of what JM can do... and > lyrically far from their best. > > And it goes on, and on, and on...... > > Am I mad???! I wouldn't have put this in the top 50 at all. And I > *love* The Smiths! > > > Dougal You're right. It's the adolescent identification with the lyrics thing, I think. (Although that doesn't explain why the music was used for a jeans advert). > >Richard > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------- Richard Hibbitt r.hibbitt@... From sircussalot@... Mon Jan 31 23:00:25 2000 From: sircussalot@... (sircussalot@...) Date: 31 Jan 2000 22:00:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <76369.174.661.959309995@...> Much as i love peel,am i the only one who does not find his CONSTANT on-air mistakes funny or in the least bit endearing? I just find them annoying!I mean,how hard can it be to be a DJ? answer=not very.Plus that festive 50 nonsense,was so boring I honestly fell asleep several times during its predictable run. Maybe it was fun the first year he did it ,but that was a long time ago.Oh and please feel free to hurl zealot style insults my way because i am obviously out of order to even think of critisising John Peel,........right?Although i say these (true) things about the show,it is still the best radio show going. bye all, sircussalot@... From aidan@... Mon Jan 31 23:19:39 2000 From: aidan@... (Aidan Warner) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:19:39 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <76369.174.662.959309995@...> On 31 Jan 2000 22:00:25 -0000, sircussalot wrote: > Much as i love peel,am i the only one who does not find his > CONSTANT on-air mistakes funny or in the least bit endearing? > I just find them annoying!I mean,how hard can it be to be a DJ? > answer=not very. There are harder jobs, but everyone's fallible, from experience I know it's very easy to become distracted while presenting a radio show, especially if you're enjoying the music. John doesn't pretend to have a flashy show with a zillion trendy jingles all stylishly mixed into the records, if he did, then mucking up might be something to worry about. But really, there aren't all that many mistakes, and I don't think it's anything to get annoyed about, there are much more annoying things on Radio One. If you're that easily annoyed, maybe you should take to pre-Peel yoga to calm yourself :) take care, Aidan ---- http://www.obscurity.freeserve.co.uk | Please visit http://www.thehungersite.com Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications: http://www.unmetered.org.uk "Pat was wondering if he could put his massive tool in my box" - Mrs Doyle, "Father Ted"