From Les_Miller@... Mon Feb 1 15:03:18 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:03:18 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.1.959309994@...> So, who is on this list then? The Cuban Boys single should be released in a couple of weeks. From koogydelbbog@... Mon Feb 1 17:39:07 1999 From: koogydelbbog@... (andrew dean) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.2.959309994@...> > So, who is on this list then? er, me. > The Cuban Boys single should be released in a couple of weeks. ha ha, the one thing i don't like about peel's shows is his insistance on playing dreadful happy hardcore records such as this one 8) (some of the recent session was ok but the one with the South Park samples in it just screams 'novelty record' to me) the other thing that annoys me is the way various bbc bigwigs have said 'as long as there is breath in my body peel will have a show on radio one' and yet they nibble away at his programmes with those little 10 minute things like The Digital Update. i say they oughta stick them in Lamacq's time (cos he has hours and more airtime every week) and get john back to 10 til 12 like he was when i was, er, 11 8) andy (um, i can see 'Steve Lamacq is the devil' being a recurrent theme in my postings) == andrew dean (koogydelbbog@...) From robfleay Mon Feb 1 17:41:43 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:41:43 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.3.959309994@...> > From: andrew dean > > the other thing that annoys me is the way various bbc bigwigs have > said 'as long as there is breath in my body peel will have a show on > radio one' and yet they nibble away at his programmes with those > little 10 minute things like The Digital Update. i say they oughta > stick them in Lamacq's time (cos he has hours and more airtime every > week) and get john back to 10 til 12 like he was when i was, er, 11 8) 10-12 is definitely my favourite time slot for Peel....means I can go to bed with a good book and leave the minidisc running for the last hour should I fall asleep. > (um, i can see 'Steve Lamacq is the devil' being a recurrent theme in > my postings) I was thinking of taking out a contract on Zoe Ball. Did anyone hear Blue Jam last week with the great Chris Moyles committing suicide bit ? ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From robfleay Mon Feb 1 17:43:00 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:43:00 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.4.959309994@...> > Did anyone hear Blue Jam l From robfleay Mon Feb 1 17:43:00 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:43:00 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.5.959309994@...> > Did anyone hear Blue Jam last week with the great Chris > Moyles committing suicide bit ? Sorry - Can I claim a prize for the first person on this list to veer totally off-topic? ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From jmsmall@... Mon Feb 1 17:49:56 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:49:56 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.0.6.959309994@...> andrew dean wrote: > the other thing that annoys me is the way various bbc bigwigs have > said 'as long as there is breath in my body peel will have a show on > radio one' and yet they nibble away at his programmes with those > little 10 minute things like The Digital Update. i say they oughta > stick them in Lamacq's time (cos he has hours and more airtime every > week) and get john back to 10 til 12 like he was when i was, er, 11 8) How long ago were you 118? Stig -- jmsmall@... From andys@... Tue Feb 2 10:51:13 1999 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:51:13 GMT Subject: Happy Message-ID: <76369.1.7.959309994@...> andrew dean wrote: > > The Cuban Boys single should be released in a couple of weeks. > ha ha, the one thing i don't like about peel's shows is his insistance > on playing dreadful happy hardcore records such as this one 8) I tend to agree, although I like alot of the other dance stuff he plays. I'm reminded of the early 90's and mid 80's when all your "traditional" Peel listeners would moan about the amount of bleepy-bleepy music or the amount of rap he was playing, and then we all (well some of us at least) got to like it and realised the old fellah was right all along. What I also don't understand at the moment is him playing the Bluetones and Gene, although the recent Gene stuff has been quite good. Or am I just forcing myself to like them because Peel plays them? Oh bugger, Peel fan dilemna! I'm confused! Andy From steve@... Tue Feb 2 11:06:11 1999 From: steve@... (Steve Watts) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:06:11 GMT Subject: Happy Message-ID: <76369.1.8.959309994@...> AndyTBTG said > I tend to agree, although I like alot of the other dance stuff he > plays. I'm reminded of the early 90's and mid 80's when all your > "traditional" Peel listeners would moan about the amount of > bleepy-bleepy music or the amount of rap he was playing, and then we > all (well some of us at least) got to like it and realised the old > fellah was right all along. > > What I also don't understand at the moment is him playing the > Bluetones and Gene, although the recent Gene stuff has been quite > good. Or am I just forcing myself to like them because Peel plays > them? Oh bugger, Peel fan dilemna! I'm confused! This has always been my main criticism of Peel as well. I can tolerate the rap and bleepy stuff (in fact I've been starting to enjoy some of it myself) as it's slightly leftfield in the same way as the other stuff he plays, and it ain't gonna get played on many other shows, but the Bluetones??! To me that's Evening session music and gets far too much airplay as it is. Is this just the indie snob side of me showing through, or do other listeners also feel that he's wasting valuable airtime when he plays those bands? -=steve=- how many more frames before you realise the painted airhead just doesn't suit you From Les_Miller@... Tue Feb 2 11:26:37 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:26:37 +0000 Subject: Happy Message-ID: <76369.1.9.959309994@...> Well, I suppose that's just because he plays what he wants. It's the same with Blur and the fact that he is looking forward to playing the new single. Anyone know anything about the Kersland Sound System which was on the show a few weeks ago? "Steve Watts" on 02/02/99 10:06:11 Please respond to peel@onelist.com To: peel@onelist.com cc: (Les Miller/GB/3Com) Subject: [peel] Re: Happy From: "Steve Watts" AndyTBTG said > I tend to agree, although I like alot of the other dance stuff he > plays. I'm reminded of the early 90's and mid 80's when all your > "traditional" Peel listeners would moan about the amount of > bleepy-bleepy music or the amount of rap he was playing, and then we > all (well some of us at least) got to like it and realised the old > fellah was right all along. > > What I also don't understand at the moment is him playing the > Bluetones and Gene, although the recent Gene stuff has been quite > good. Or am I just forcing myself to like them because Peel plays > them? Oh bugger, Peel fan dilemna! I'm confused! This has always been my main criticism of Peel as well. I can tolerate the rap and bleepy stuff (in fact I've been starting to enjoy some of it myself) as it's slightly leftfield in the same way as the other stuff he plays, and it ain't gonna get played on many other shows, but the Bluetones??! To me that's Evening session music and gets far too much airplay as it is. Is this just the indie snob side of me showing through, or do other listeners also feel that he's wasting valuable airtime when he plays those bands? -=steve=- how many more frames before you realise the painted airhead just doesn't suit you ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. From dickon@... Tue Feb 2 11:42:55 1999 From: dickon@... (Dickon Edwards) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:42:55 +0000 Subject: The Would Be's Message-ID: <76369.1.10.959309994@...> hello new list thing shame about the boo radleys splitting. I quite liked them. I was wondering, and I suspect this is one for this list's FAQ, is there any possible way of getting hold of ancient Peel sessions that have not been released on record, short of you and the band buying the rights and putting them out yourself? I still pine for a tape of The Would Be's' session from 1990... They were a witty young female-fronted Irish band who otherwise only put out three EPs on Vinyl Solution/Decoy Records then supported Morrissey's comeback gig in Dublin 1991... then disappeared off the face of the earth, as is the destiny of many a Moz support act. Peel loved them immensely, and so did I. hmph. dickon x http://vzone.virgin.net/dickon.edwards From daniel@... Tue Feb 2 18:35:57 1999 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:35:57 +0000 Subject: The Would Be's Message-ID: <76369.1.11.959309994@...> I know a guy from London, who sparadically sends out a list of things he has for sale. Usually around a fiver a tape. He has all sorts of stuff and nearly every Peel sesh I can think of from recent years. Next time I get sent a copy I'll put out a quick note saying I've got the list and if you can post saying who it was again I'll see if it's on there. Dan In message <3.0.6.32.19990202104255.007e4eb0@...>, Dickon Edwards writes >From: Dickon Edwards > >hello new list thing > >shame about the boo radleys splitting. I quite liked them. > >I was wondering, and I suspect this is one for this list's FAQ, is there >any possible way of getting hold of ancient Peel sessions that have not >been released on record, short of you and the band buying the rights and >putting them out yourself? I still pine for a tape of The Would Be's' >session from 1990... They were a witty young female-fronted Irish band who >otherwise only put out three EPs on Vinyl Solution/Decoy Records then >supported Morrissey's comeback gig in Dublin 1991... then disappeared off >the face of the earth, as is the destiny of many a Moz support act. Peel >loved them immensely, and so did I. > >hmph. > >dickon >x > > >http://vzone.virgin.net/dickon.edwards > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. -- Bernard From daniel@... Tue Feb 2 18:32:56 1999 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:32:56 +0000 Subject: Happy Message-ID: <76369.1.12.959309994@...> Agreed. Peel to me has always been about pushing back the boundaries, whereas the blutones need pushing back...to oblivion. Dan. In message <1DF2C177077@...>, Steve Watts writes >From: "Steve Watts" > > >AndyTBTG said > >> I tend to agree, although I like alot of the other dance stuff he >> plays. I'm reminded of the early 90's and mid 80's when all your >> "traditional" Peel listeners would moan about the amount of >> bleepy-bleepy music or the amount of rap he was playing, and then we >> all (well some of us at least) got to like it and realised the old >> fellah was right all along. >> >> What I also don't understand at the moment is him playing the >> Bluetones and Gene, although the recent Gene stuff has been quite >> good. Or am I just forcing myself to like them because Peel plays >> them? Oh bugger, Peel fan dilemna! I'm confused! > > >This has always been my main criticism of Peel as well. I can >tolerate the rap and bleepy stuff (in fact I've been starting to >enjoy some of it myself) as it's slightly leftfield in the same way >as the other stuff he plays, and it ain't gonna get played on many >other shows, but the Bluetones??! To me that's Evening session >music and gets far too much airplay as it is. Is this just the indie >snob side of me showing through, or do other listeners also feel that >he's wasting valuable airtime when he plays those bands? > > > -=steve=- >how many more frames before you realise >the painted airhead just doesn't suit you > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. -- Bernard From keith@... Thu Feb 4 16:18:31 1999 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:18:31 +0000 Subject: The Would Be's Message-ID: <76369.2.13.959309994@...> >shame about the boo radleys splitting. I quite liked them. damn right... and although there's good moments on "come on kids", "giant Steps" still stands as their high point for me - has to be one of the greatest ALBUMS EVER... > >I still pine for a tape of The Would Be's' >session from 1990... funnily enough - YES, actually. it's a pretty cruddy quality tape, but i'd be happy to copy it. (i thought they were called the Wood Bees; that's what i've written on the tape... but maybe i was in a contrary mood that day...) ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From keith@... Thu Feb 4 17:09:14 1999 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:09:14 +0000 Subject: The Would Be's Message-ID: <76369.2.14.959309994@...> >I still pine for a tape of The Would Be's' >session from 1990... oh, shite! i should have checked my tape before i posted that previous message... i only have one track from that session ("I'm hardly ever wrong") and even that gets cut off by the tape running out.... apologies if i got your hopes up.......... ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From HB701540@... Fri Feb 5 16:34:11 1999 From: HB701540@... (HB701540) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:34:11 -0000 Subject: Happy Message-ID: <76369.3.15.959309994@...> something tells me that it wasn't jp's choice to have these as the first 'peel session live' bands, but that various bbc bigwigs wanted more mainstream bands for the 1st gig to gain more exposure or something.. at least Clinic are live next month (whoohoo!) james >---------- >From: Les Miller[SMTP:Les_Miller@...] >Reply To: peel@onelist.com >Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:26 AM >To: peel@onelist.com >Subject: [peel] Re: Happy > >From: "Les Miller" > > > >Well, I suppose that's just because he plays what he wants. It's the same >with >Blur and the fact that he is looking forward to playing the new single. > >Anyone know anything about the Kersland Sound System which was on the show a >few >weeks ago? > > > > > >"Steve Watts" on 02/02/99 10:06:11 > >Please respond to peel@onelist.com > >To: peel@onelist.com >cc: (Les Miller/GB/3Com) >Subject: [peel] Re: Happy > > > > >From: "Steve Watts" > > >AndyTBTG said > >> I tend to agree, although I like alot of the other dance stuff he >> plays. I'm reminded of the early 90's and mid 80's when all your >> "traditional" Peel listeners would moan about the amount of >> bleepy-bleepy music or the amount of rap he was playing, and then we >> all (well some of us at least) got to like it and realised the old >> fellah was right all along. >> >> What I also don't understand at the moment is him playing the >> Bluetones and Gene, although the recent Gene stuff has been quite >> good. Or am I just forcing myself to like them because Peel plays >> them? Oh bugger, Peel fan dilemna! I'm confused! > > >This has always been my main criticism of Peel as well. I can >tolerate the rap and bleepy stuff (in fact I've been starting to >enjoy some of it myself) as it's slightly leftfield in the same way >as the other stuff he plays, and it ain't gonna get played on many >other shows, but the Bluetones??! To me that's Evening session >music and gets far too much airplay as it is. Is this just the indie >snob side of me showing through, or do other listeners also feel that >he's wasting valuable airtime when he plays those bands? > > > -=steve=- >how many more frames before you realise >the painted airhead just doesn't suit you > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > From koogydelbbog@... Fri Feb 5 17:22:45 1999 From: koogydelbbog@... (andrew dean) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:22:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.3.16.959309994@...> > something tells me that it wasn't jp's choice to have these as the > first 'peel session live' bands, but that various bbc bigwigs wanted > more mainstream bands for the 1st gig to gain more exposure or > something.. at least Clinic are live next month (whoohoo!) well, hasn't he been playing the new gene single a lot lately. and he's always been a bluetones fan, but yeah, they do strike me as more of a lamacq thing. i dislike radio 1s insistance on airing live music anyway, there's too much of it. the perfomances are usually too, er, raw and any atmosphere that there may have been at the venue just doesn't transmit well. i'd rather just listen to peel playing records 90% of the time. (although, to be fair, last night's wasn't THAT bad) worst is when lamacq's show gets expanded and then invite john to co-host as it were but the bands are all obviously evening session pap. grrrr. i think the only advantage of hearing a live show on the radio rather than going in person is that your clothes don't smell like an ashtray the day after... oh, strange to hear john comment that the film slot before his show is one of the best 10 minutes radio one produces. it's changed my mind (almost) that those three things are a waste of time. andy oh, did i say 'boiler'? i meant 'baby', sorry. == andrew dean (koogydelbbog@...) From Les_Miller@... Fri Feb 5 17:39:30 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:39:30 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.3.17.959309994@...> The Movie Update is the only one worth listening to. I think Peel likes it because he respects Mark Kermode. oh, strange to hear john comment that the film slot before his show is one of the best 10 minutes radio one produces. it's changed my mind (almost) that those three things are a waste of time. andy oh, did i say 'boiler'? i meant 'baby', sorry. == andrew dean (koogydelbbog@...) From smchugh@... Sat Feb 6 16:45:39 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:45:39 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.4.18.959309994@...> Greetings, music lovers, to paraphrase another, er, 'long standing and well-respected' dj. Glad to see you started without me. > >> So, who is on this list then? There's about 50 people so far. Couldn't say if there's anyone rich/famous of course. > So, I was away last week and of course missed the Spare Snare session. Anyone care to comment - did they for example play tracks from last years best album, 'Animals and Me'? Or new stuff? And (yes, it's the hidden but true purpose of the list, in case you hadn't guessed) did anyone tape it? Cheers Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From jmsmall@... Sat Feb 6 16:43:12 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:43:12 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.4.19.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > >> So, who is on this list then? > There's about 50 people so far. Couldn't say if there's anyone rich/famous > of course. I was rich and famous once but blew it all on loose cars and expensive women. Ah well. Stig -- jmsmall@... From keith@... Sat Feb 6 18:42:46 1999 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:42:46 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.4.20.959309994@...> >i dislike radio 1s insistance on airing live music anyway, there's too >much of it. the perfomances are usually too, er, raw and any >atmosphere that there may have been at the venue just doesn't transmit >well. actually, as i understand it, it's not radio1's insistence, but the musician' union. the MU came to an agreement in the 60s that all of the bbc channels must play a certain proportion (2% or something) of live or commisioned music (hence sessions). generally i think this a Good Thing, but i agree that radio 1 seem to treat it a bit half-heartedly. it IS possible to record good live sound... yet they always make an arse of it! i have heard it speculated that they deliberately spoil the quality of live stuff (bad mixes, and talking over it) so that bootleggers can't get decent recordings... but who knows? can i just put a spanner among the pigeons and say that peel playing gene & bluetones IS of interest... at least to me. i think this is because i don't listen to daytime radio, and can't usually be bothered with lamacq; so i rarely hear a new Blutones single (for example). i tend to write off these bands lumpenly (along with shed7/cast/reef and all the rest) and am quite pleased if peel adjusts the balance by pointing out that there's something of interest there [eg. an excellent Gene session a couple of years ago... lovely slow piano songs...] - and i'm glad of that. course i've not actually bought any of Gene's records or anything... but i have seen them live (they're a LOT better than you might expect...) Peel enabled me to be a bit more open-minded about them; and ultimately that's what his show is all about, no? peel also championed Pulp for a bit, despite having said he hated them... it's good that he's willing to be seen to change his mind... i think it would only be a problem if he was playing ALL successful indie bands - but he's being very selective... ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From smchugh@... Sat Feb 6 19:05:53 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:05:53 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.4.21.959309994@...> >actually, as i understand it, it's not radio1's insistence, but the >musician' union. the MU came to an agreement in the 60s that all of the bbc >channels must play a certain proportion (2% or something) of live or >commisioned music (hence sessions). Thats spot-on, there was something called 'need;e-time' which was intended to limit the amount of records played. I'd thought it wasa way of saving money in royalties, but now you mention it, it soulds like exactly the kind of thing the MU would do! >generally i think this a Good Thing, but i agree that radio 1 seem to treat >it a bit half-heartedly. it IS possible to record good live sound... yet >they always make an arse of it! The sessions are generally pretty good, the likes of Dale Griffin, Ted de Bono etc are very often better producers than the ones used by record companies. I wonder... if sessions seem less good now, could it be that the indie bands who previously would have sounded either raw' or 'crap' depending on your view, will, without someone over-prodicing them, have sounded better in the past. But with all the new technoology these days, well, at least they'll have a level playing field as far as sound quality, amount of tracks etc goes. >i have heard it speculated that they deliberately spoil the quality of live >stuff (bad mixes, and talking over it) so that bootleggers can't get decent >recordings... >but who knows? In the good old days of punk the session versions of Siouxsie, Slits and many others had a reputation for being better than their major label debuts. I suppose this would have affected sales.... though I know you're talking about live sessions here, but that could apply too, if a live lp was something the band's label were thinking about. > I like Gene too, but am also keen on Ballroom, who are/were to Gene what Gene are to the Smiths. All a bit confusing... >peel also championed Pulp for a bit, despite having said he hated them... >it's good that he's willing to be seen to change his mind... I never knew that, I assumed he liked their first session (now that's something I still have on tape - I liked that too). There were always stories about him giving them money to make records, getting them gigs etc... >i think it would only be a problem if he was playing ALL successful indie >bands - but he's being very selective... I suppose the Bluetones is as good a marker as any to show how things are on other shows - you can't have too much of a good thing, after all. Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From robfleay Sat Feb 6 20:59:17 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:59:17 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.4.22.959309994@...> To be fair - the Gene acoustic live set wasn't actually all *that* bad....even Dirty Old Town avoided the slaughtering I anticipated when Morrissey Rossiter announced it... That's the thing with that bloke - he's got a real stage presence...just a shame it's someone elses. ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From robfleay Sat Feb 6 21:10:16 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:10:16 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.4.23.959309994@...> > From: Stuart McHugh > So, I was away last week and of course missed the Spare Snare session. > Anyone care to comment - did they for example play tracks from last years > best album, 'Animals and Me'? Or new stuff? I dunno what they played but it sounded OK - I haven;t got any of their stuff you see...they did a good one with comedy lyrics that went something along the lines of "we are the SNARE" Did anyone tape the New Order session at xmas? I missed it... ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From rlawson@... Sun Feb 7 14:13:49 1999 From: rlawson@... (C R Lawson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:13:49 +0800 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.5.24.959309994@...> We are the Snare is indeed off "Animals and Me", however it was the only one off that album that i recognise. yes i do have a recording of the New Order session. mail me privately Rob rob wrote: > From: "rob" > > > From: Stuart McHugh > > > So, I was away last week and of course missed the Spare Snare > session. > > Anyone care to comment - did they for example play tracks from last > years > > best album, 'Animals and Me'? Or new stuff? > > I dunno what they played but it sounded OK - I haven;t got > any of their stuff you see...they did a good one with > comedy lyrics that went something along the lines of "we > are the SNARE" > > Did anyone tape the New Order session at xmas? I missed > it... > > ========================================= > > Rob Fleay > robfleay@... > ========================================= > > ----------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. From rlawson@... Sun Feb 7 14:24:07 1999 From: rlawson@... (C R Lawson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:24:07 +0800 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.5.25.959309994@...> correction to earlier e-mail as i've since checked the CD and "Holding on to the shore" and "they airbrushed my face" are both off Animals and Me ! so 3 out of 5 ! > From: C R Lawson > > We are the Snare is indeed off "Animals and Me", however it was the > only > one off that album that i recognise. > yes i do have a recording of the New Order session. > mail me privately > Rob > rob wrote: > > > From: "rob" > > > > > From: Stuart McHugh > > > > > So, I was away last week and of course missed the Spare Snare > > session. > > > Anyone care to comment - did they for example play tracks from > last > > years > > > best album, 'Animals and Me'? Or new stuff? > > > > I dunno what they played but it sounded OK - I haven;t got > > any of their stuff you see...they did a good one with > > comedy lyrics that went something along the lines of "we > > are the SNARE" > > > > Did anyone tape the New Order session at xmas? I missed > > it... > > > > ========================================= > > > > Rob Fleay > > robfleay@... > > ========================================= > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your > subscription > > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > > > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. From martinw@... Sun Feb 7 18:20:49 1999 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:20:49 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.5.26.959309994@...> > something tells me that it wasn't jp's choice to have these as the > first 'peel session live' bands, but that various bbc bigwigs wanted > more mainstream bands for the 1st gig to gain more exposure or > something.. at least Clinic are live next month (whoohoo!) A point to remember about the Festival Hall Peel gigs are that they are not BBC free ticket jobs but commercial events that have to make a profit. I am sure the promoters were keen to make the bill for the first one as commercial as possible. Peel approves of both groups but given the choice I doubt he would have put them on together. Once people have got used to the idea of the concerts we hopefully will see some more experimental lineups What do people think of the weekly Peel Acres shows as against the London ones? martinw From daniel@... Sun Feb 7 19:55:54 1999 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:55:54 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.5.27.959309994@...> The Peel Acres stuff seems much more laid back and free flowing. I do enjoy them both - no prefernec really, just glad there's someone out there playing music thas alternative and different... I take the Peel TV stuff is going to be lifted from these gigs ? Daniel. In message <3.0.5.32.19990207172049.007bb100@...>, Martin Wheatley writes >From: Martin Wheatley > > > >> something tells me that it wasn't jp's choice to have these as the >> first 'peel session live' bands, but that various bbc bigwigs wanted >> more mainstream bands for the 1st gig to gain more exposure or >> something.. at least Clinic are live next month (whoohoo!) > >A point to remember about the Festival Hall Peel gigs are that >they are not BBC free ticket jobs but commercial events that have >to make a profit. I am sure the promoters were keen to make the >bill for the first one as commercial as possible. >Peel approves of both groups but given the choice I doubt he would >have put them on together. Once people have got used to the idea >of the concerts we hopefully will see some more experimental lineups > >What do people think of the weekly Peel Acres shows as against the >London ones? > >martinw > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. -- Bernard From andys@... Mon Feb 8 10:51:49 1999 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:51:49 GMT Subject: I agree! Message-ID: <76369.5.28.959309994@...> Andy (not me) wrote: > i dislike radio 1s insistance on airing live music anyway, > there's too much of it. the perfomances are usually too, > er, raw and any atmosphere that there may have been at the > venue just doesn't transmit I agree. Most of the performances are rubbish anyway, and I hate it when I remember to tape the Peel show only to find the next day that I've got half an hour of Travis live. Keith: > it IS possible to record good live sound... yet > they always make an arse of it! Acshally when they recorded my band (ahem) for Sound City they did a top job, as with all 4 bands who played that night. The engineers are amazing - we just soundchecked the live sound and the Radio 1 guy gave us the thumbs up. No extra effort required. I think some of the worst sound is the festivals when the bands just get on stage and plug in. I dont think they fuck up the mix deliberatly to foil bootleggers, that'd be self-defeating after all, but I'm sure that's why they talk over it. Having said that they seem to say 1FM a lot more these days, and play trailers for Zoe Ball etc much more frequently so maybe that's a new management directive to plug the station. Stuart: > there was something called 'need;e-time' which was intended > to limit the amount of records played. Didn't they used to get round this years and years ago by having lots of (mostly dull) talk shows? They could bring back Round Table, that was a top show, with the likes of Siouxsie and Simon Beast fighting over the week's new releases. Everything one of them liked, the other hated. I suppose that particular issue showed up everything that was wrong with the bad old late 70's Radio 1. I missed the xmas New Order session too. What was it like? AndyTBTG From culhanee@... Mon Feb 8 14:06:21 1999 From: culhanee@... (Culhane, Edward ) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:06:21 BST Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.5.29.959309994@...> 7F00,0000,0000> So, I was away last week and of course missed the Spare Snare session. > Anyone care to comment - did they for example play tracks from last > years > best album, 'Animals and Me'? Or new stuff? > And (yes, it's the hidden but true purpose of the list, in case you > hadn't > guessed) did anyone tape it? > Cheers Well I was out so I taped the whole show, well no 90mins of it. So I have all the Snare tracks bar one. I will add it to my Peel Sessions tape along side Godspeed, Mogwai and the Cuban Boys, its shaping up to be a great tape. Speaking of things taped did anyone tape the third Festive fifty show this year? I got the first 2 and they make fantastic compilation tapes. In fact I'am listening to the first one right now, Hefner on as we speak, how enjoyable! 7F00,0000,0000What do people think of the weekly Peel Acres shows as against the London ones? They are great I think. You always hear something memorable, reminding us it's not just the great music we tune in for but Mr. Peel's philosophy. Oh yes and hello everybody my name is Kevin (not Ed.) Kev. From HB701540@... Mon Feb 8 16:29:52 1999 From: HB701540@... (HB701540) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:29:52 -0000 Subject: Peel sessions WANTED Message-ID: <76369.5.30.959309994@...> hi. i've been wanting the following sessions since i missed taping them, so if anyone has a copy, please mail me privately. i've got lots of mogwai/arab strap i can trade. Wanted: Six By Seven (June? 98) Clinic (?, 98)(also the session they did as Pure Morning) Magoo (i've got the one with the Turtles cover, and i've heard there's another) also Mogwai's 1st Breezeblock session, with 'Summer' & 'Helicon 2' james From cwoodmansey@... Mon Feb 8 17:48:48 1999 From: cwoodmansey@... (Clare Woodmansey) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:48:48 -0000 Subject: Peel sessions WANTED Message-ID: <76369.5.31.959309994@...> > From: HB701540 > if anyone has a copy, please mail me privately. i've got lots of mogwai/arab > strap i can trade. > also Mogwai's 1st Breezeblock session, with 'Summer' & 'Helicon 2' If anyone has a copy of this, I'd love one too, please mail me too! Again, plenty of good quality boots etc for trade, as James will no doubt confirm. Rob (using my girlfriend's e-mail, for those not already familiar with my peculiarities) From HB701540@... Mon Feb 8 18:15:40 1999 From: HB701540@... (HB701540) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:15:40 -0000 Subject: Peel sessions WANTED Message-ID: <76369.5.32.959309994@...> >From: "Clare Woodmansey" > >> From: HB701540 > >> if anyone has a copy, please mail me privately. i've got lots of >mogwai/arab >> strap i can trade. >> also Mogwai's 1st Breezeblock session, with 'Summer' & 'Helicon 2' >If anyone has a copy of this, I'd love one too, please mail me too! Again, >plenty of good quality boots etc for trade, as James will no doubt confirm. sure can. two lovely tapes on my doorstep this morning. From martinw@... Mon Feb 8 18:54:50 1999 From: martinw@... (Martin Wheatley) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:54:50 +0000 Subject: Peel live sessions Message-ID: <76369.5.33.959309994@...> Keith Hawley >>actually, as i understand it, it's not radio1's insistence, but the >>musician' union. the MU came to an agreement in the 60s that all of the bbc >>channels must play a certain proportion (2% or something) of live or >>commisioned music (hence sessions). and Stuart McHugh replied >Thats spot-on, there was something called 'need;e-time' which was intended >to limit the amount of records played. I'd thought it wasa way of saving >money in royalties, but now you mention it, it soulds like exactly the kind >of thing the MU would do! Spot of history required here I think. Apologies to those of you who already know all this Before the days of pop music the BBC used to finance a lot of orchestras and bands, both in the classical and light music fields and these provided a lot of output for the Light Prog (now Radio 2) and Third Programme (now Radio 3) When pop music arrived and the BBC wanted to play more records the Musicians Union were very concerned about the jobs of their members and since all the musicians who appeared on the BBC had to belong to the MU they had a fair bit of power. After some initial attempts to get the BBC to play mostly their bands versions of current hits they came to a compromise. The BBC would restrict the number of records they played per hour and the rest of the music output would be 'live' as distinct from on record. This was the origin of the session because anything recorded in the BBC studios counted as live whether it went out then or later. So groups and singers would come into the BBC and record note-for-note copies of their records which were then put out instead of the records often without the public being aware that they weren't records. When Radio 1 came in suddenly there were many more hours to be filled and the needletime restrictions were eased and gradually over the years the more and more recorsds coule be played. There were two exemptions from the needletime limits - soundtrack recordings and record reviews - these counted as promotional. This is why in Peel's 70s shows there are many instances of him playing groups of tracks from new albums - it didn't count toward needletime if done as soon as it came out Needletime finally faded away when commercial radio arrived and everyone could play what they liked. There was one show that didn't make having to use sessions an unfortunate neccesity but instead turned it into a positive asset. I refer to Top Gear - later the John Peel Show. A place for bands to play new material and for new bands to play. It became the main feature of the prog and so it remains I'm pleased to say. Nowadays there is no required for the BBC to broadcast session or live material. That is except self preservation! In the later days of the Thatcher government they were looking for things to privatise and there was a big campaign to privatise Radio 1. As these things normally are the campaign was led by those standing to make money out of the privatisation. The argument was why should a station be financed out of the licence fee when it was in competition with and providing a similar service to commercial stations. The BBCs argument was that Radio 1 provided 3 things that wouldn't happen on commercial radio. Specialist shows (Peel, Kershaw etc), radio sessions for new bands (an argument backed up by the record companies - Lamacq and Peel sessions save them a fortune in A & R costs!), and live broadcasts. Thatcher was replaced by the more BBC-friendly John Major and Radio 1 was saved. This is why we get specialist progs in the evening all of which are encouraged to have sessions of one sort or another and to do live stuff. If you've wondered why the BBC spend money on sessions for things like Kershaw and the Breezeblock that go out after midnight when it would be cheaper to play records that is why! >>peel also championed Pulp for a bit, despite having said he hated them... >>it's good that he's willing to be seen to change his mind... >I never knew that, I assumed he liked their first session (now that's >something I still have on tape - I liked that too). There were always >stories about him giving them money to make records, getting them gigs >etc... Actually Peel ignored them completely after the first session until their re-emergence 10 years later. Even the mighty get it wrong sometimes martinw From jmsmall@... Mon Feb 8 20:16:22 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:16:22 +0000 Subject: Hello Everyone Message-ID: <76369.5.34.959309994@...> Culhane, Edward wrote: > Speaking of things taped did anyone tape the third Festive fifty show this >year? I got the first 2 and they make fantastic compilation tapes. In fact >I'am listening to the first one right now, Hefner on as we speak, how >enjoyable! This is not something I generally like to admit in mixed company but I have all the Festive Fifties on tape since 1994 and a partial 1993... and every Blue Jam ever... oh dear... > Oh yes and hello everybody my name is Kevin (not Ed.) > > Kev. Any news on that tape you were going to send me, Kev? Stig -- jmsmall@... From jmsmall@... Mon Feb 8 21:01:50 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:01:50 +0000 Subject: cargo Message-ID: <76369.5.35.959309994@...> Anyone know if Cargo record distributers have a website? Stig -- jmsmall@... From Les_Miller@... Tue Feb 9 11:14:56 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:14:56 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.6.36.959309994@...> The Peel Acres shows are always good for a laugh. Often with comments about an to the rest of his family. Oh, and The Pig comes in wanting answers to The Grauniad crossword. The music is just as good of course. What do people think of the weekly Peel Acres shows as against the London ones? martinw From smchugh@... Tue Feb 9 12:00:37 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:00:37 +0000 Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.6.37.959309994@...> >The Peel Acres shows are always good for a laugh. Often with comments about an >to the rest of his family. Oh, and The Pig comes in wanting answers to The >Grauniad crossword. Yes, they're maybe more relaxed, though I hate Chris Evans/Zoe Ball style of constant gabbing in the background, the 'posse' at Peel's house make for a pleasant change (actually, with Moyles and others also using the 'zoo' style show, it makes a pleasant change to hear any show with just a dj playing records). I missed all last week's shows, but at the weekend made a mix tape for someone and I included Big Flame's "Why Pop Stars Can't Dance". Then guess what Peel had played on Thursday, according to Ceeefax. Spooky, eh? (Not that I'm trying to start a Big Flame thread or anything). Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From jmsmall@... Tue Feb 9 22:25:02 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:25:02 +0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.6.38.959309994@...> > http://www.cargo-records.com Thanks for the suggestion Stuart but the Cargo I'm looking for is Cargo as in "Distributed by Cargo" that you see on the back of records, a UK-based record distributor not associated with the US label (at least not as far as I know). If anyone knows how I can contact them I'll be extremely grateful. I'll even go as far as frotting. (Not the place, the activity...) Stig -- jmsmall@... From smchugh@... Wed Feb 10 10:31:14 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:31:14 +0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.7.39.959309994@...> >From: Stig > >> http://www.cargo-records.com > >Thanks for the suggestion Stuart but the Cargo I'm looking for is Cargo >as in "Distributed by Cargo" that you see on the back of records, a >UK-based record distributor not associated with the US label (at least >not as far as I know). If anyone knows how I can contact them I'll be >extremely grateful. I'll even go as far as frotting. (Not the place, the >activity...) You're probably right, they are likely to be unassociated. Actually, Cargo is a name that crops up a lot on other lists populated by people that run labels and the like, usually accompanied by phrases like "didn't pay", "never use them", "ate my first-born" etc. Though of course all this libel could relate to either the UK or US version... Stuart PS Stig, was that YOU faxing Peel last night about the Ooberman sesion, you meeja whoor? http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From culhanee@... Wed Feb 10 12:48:33 1999 From: culhanee@... (Culhane, Edward ) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:48:33 BST Subject: peel sessions live Message-ID: <76369.7.40.959309994@...> > Yes, they're maybe more relaxed, though I hate Chris Evans/Zoe Ball > style > of constant gabbing in the background, Well Peel hates Chris Evans so one imagines he'd hit you if you said that to his face. Besides Anita the producer do'es have a sexy voice. Kevin. From jmsmall@... Wed Feb 10 14:30:53 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:30:53 +0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.7.41.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > PS Stig, was that YOU faxing Peel last night about the Ooberman sesion, you > meeja whoor? Guilty I'm afraid. And I frankly resent the suggestion that I'm not a nice person to live near... I often shower my neighbours with gifts of money and cheese. Stig -- jmsmall@... From cwoodmansey@... Wed Feb 10 18:52:17 1999 From: cwoodmansey@... (Clare Woodmansey) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:52:17 -0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.7.42.959309994@...> > From: Stuart McHugh > You're probably right, they are likely to be unassociated. Actually, Cargo > is a name that crops up a lot on other lists populated by people that run > labels and the like, usually accompanied by phrases like "didn't pay", > "never use them", "ate my first-born" etc. Though of course all this libel > could relate to either the UK or US version... I think the US distributor went bust last year, didn't they? On which topic, Lissy's have also packed in, apparently, not bust, just lost interest. Rob From jmsmall@... Thu Feb 11 14:06:21 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:06:21 +0000 Subject: brit awards Message-ID: <76369.8.43.959309994@...> Belle and Sebastian or Billie? You can vote for 'best newcomer' (since when were B&S newcomers anyway? That's like saying Cornershop are newcomers - oh they did that too?) in the Brit Awards this year at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/reception/britsvote.shtml ...if of course you think any of it is worth a toss. Which of course none of it is. But it might be funny if we manage to swing a landslide win for an actual band for once.... Stig -- jmsmall@... From robfleay Thu Feb 11 19:15:24 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:15:24 +0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.8.44.959309994@...> > From: "Clare Woodmansey" > I think the US distributor went bust last year, didn't they? On which > topic, Lissy's have also packed in, apparently, not bust, just lost > interest. They took the best part of forever to release the Cato single....so it doesn't surprise me that they've packed it in....running an indie label is a lot harder work than you'd think ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From keith@... Fri Feb 12 02:12:14 1999 From: keith@... (Keith Hawley) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:12:14 +0000 Subject: Cargo Message-ID: <76369.8.45.959309994@...> >I think the US distributor went bust last year, didn't they? On which >topic, Lissy's have also packed in, apparently, not bust, just lost >interest. aha! that might explain why my delgados single that i ordered like months ago has never turned up.... anyone else had any similar problems with them? i wondered if there's any other place to get hold of their stock... ---------------------------------------- -- keith@... -- ---------------------------------------- From culhanee@... Wed Feb 24 13:07:37 1999 From: culhanee@... (Culhane, Edward ) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:07:37 BST Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.9.46.959309994@...> This list seems to be facing an early death. If I said I wasn't too impressed by Clinic's appearance live on the Peel show would I be a philistine who wouldn't know good music if it came up and bit me on the arse or do "the best band in Britain" sound better on record? Also I sat and listened to the first 20mins of last nights show eating cornflakes and thought it a surprisingly wonderful experience. That first song seemed rather amazing although I only heard the end. Anyone care to comment on the "Sounds of the Suburbs EP". It sounds as if it could be pretty good and worth a purchase. Also that song by the band sounding like the delgados and the new Fall single were rather exellent. Kevin. From Les_Miller@... Wed Feb 24 14:17:21 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:17:21 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.9.47.959309994@...> As a Shifty Disco subscriber, I got a copy of the ...Suburbs sampler and it's very good, esp Comatose. There was something on TV last night which I missed (with the Delgados) and the series proper starts this Saturday. I also enjoyed the Comatose session. "Culhane, Edward " on 24/02/99 12:07:37 Please respond to peel@onelist.com To: peel@onelist.com cc: (Les Miller/GB/3Com) Subject: [peel] clinic From: "Culhane, Edward " This list seems to be facing an early death. If I said I wasn't too impressed by Clinic's appearance live on the Peel show would I be a philistine who wouldn't know good music if it came up and bit me on the arse or do "the best band in Britain" sound better on record? Also I sat and listened to the first 20mins of last nights show eating cornflakes and thought it a surprisingly wonderful experience. That first song seemed rather amazing although I only heard the end. Anyone care to comment on the "Sounds of the Suburbs EP". It sounds as if it could be pretty good and worth a purchase. Also that song by the band sounding like the delgados and the new Fall single were rather exellent. Kevin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Explore a new interest; start a new hobby. Go to http://www.onelist.com From smchugh@... Wed Feb 24 14:25:56 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:25:56 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.9.48.959309994@...> >From: "Culhane, Edward " > >This list seems to be facing an early death. well, no-one's trying to unsubscribe due to there being too much traffic, and the quality of postings has been spam-free so far (albeit very lean spam). > >If I said I wasn't too impressed by Clinic's appearance live on the >Peel show would I be a philistine who wouldn't know good music if >it came up and bit me on the arse or do "the best band in Britain" >sound better on record? Cuh, didn't hear it (only got back late last night) but what I saw/heard on the NME tv show was a bit murky to say the ;least. And their Festive 50 tracks for this year weren't all that hot, not as catchy as "IPC subeditors" was. I'd say that the musically-quite-close Male Nurse blow them away or songs. I must digout that Pure Morning single... > >Also I sat and listened to the first 20mins of last nights show eating >cornflakes and thought it a surprisingly wonderful experience. That >first song seemed rather amazing although I only heard the end. >Anyone care to comment on the "Sounds of the Suburbs EP". I don't know what's on it though I've heard OF it... older listeners will remember (!) the Sounds of the Suburbs SINGLE - clear vinyl as I recall... >Also that song by the band sounding like the delgados and the new Fall >single were rather exellent. >Band like the Delgados - Camera Obscura, I presume? I though tht hey were >abit more like Belle and Sebastian myself (then again, that's what >everyone says about them, apart from their drummer!) Stuart (the eternal optimist) http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From bsuga@... Wed Feb 24 14:21:52 1999 From: bsuga@... (Neil Brazier) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: TRAM Message-ID: <76369.9.49.959309994@...> Has anyone been able to get hold the new Tram 7" , "Songs From The Sturdy Chariot" (Liquefaction)???????? The Cargo distrbution ad in last weeks NME said it was out this week but my local indie store says they have not been offered it yet. Its limited to 1000 copies so I dont want to miss out if it is out already! Cheers, Neil. From smchugh@... Wed Feb 24 14:33:17 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:33:17 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.9.50.959309994@...> >From: "Les Miller" > >As a Shifty Disco subscriber, I got a copy of the ...Suburbs sampler and it's >very good, esp Comatose. There was something on TV last night which I missed >(with the Delgados) and the series proper starts this Saturday. It was Peel being interviewed on Jack Docherty, and the Delgados playing live in the studio. Well, so I believe as I haven't seen my tape yet. There seems a fair media onslaught on the show, previews in most of the Scottish papers (even the likes of the ultra-conservative Scotland on Sunday), plus in The List and so on. Though maybe that's the Lanarkshire thing being the first show If he's visiting Oxford and they're doing an ep to coincide with that, pity that the Plastic Cowboy ep didn't tie in with the release... or CU could do a 'Bellshill" sampler? S PS I don't want you to think I've set this list up solely to flog fanzines, but if you want to buy one then drop me an email, I'd hate you all to miss out... http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From thomas@... Wed Feb 24 16:36:32 1999 From: thomas@... (thomas@...) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:36:32 GMT Subject: oopsy Message-ID: <76369.9.51.959309994@...> i posted this to the chemikal underground list by accident... it was meant to come here!: heya... someone said that peel just announced the details of his latest gig nite thingumy, and i wasn't listening. they said it was a dhr nite, could anyone tell me any more details. cheeeers tomagotchi xxx -- thomas betts | thomas@... From whereisstan Wed Feb 24 19:38:02 1999 From: whereisstan (rob) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:38:02 +0000 Subject: TRAM Message-ID: <76369.10.52.959309994@...> > The Cargo distrbution ad in last weeks NME said it was out this week but > my local indie store says they have not been offered it yet. Its limited > to 1000 copies so I dont want to miss out if it is out already! This wouldn't be anything to do with Cargo being a bag of shit would it? Shellshock rock. Is it just me or have there been some pretty poor sessions recently? My favourites however of the past couple of months were Godspeed YBE and Scratch Perverts - who are playing in Derby next week - so I might go along ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From cwoodmansey@... Wed Feb 24 19:56:18 1999 From: cwoodmansey@... (Clare Woodmansey) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:56:18 -0000 Subject: TRAM Message-ID: <76369.10.53.959309994@...> > From: Neil Brazier > > > Has anyone been able to get hold the new Tram 7" , "Songs From > The Sturdy Chariot" (Liquefaction)???????? > > The Cargo distrbution ad in last weeks NME said it was out this week but > my local indie store says they have not been offered it yet. Its limited > to 1000 copies so I dont want to miss out if it is out already! Neil, I wouldn't worry, their first two singles (both of which are excellent, it has to be said - forthcoming album on Piao, too) were 1000 only, and they're still in the shops. Rob From jmsmall@... Wed Feb 24 21:08:11 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:08:11 +0000 Subject: oopsy Message-ID: <76369.10.54.959309994@...> Thomas Betts wrote: > heya... someone said that peel just announced the details of his latest gig nite > thingumy, and i wasn't listening. they said it was a dhr nite, could anyone tell > me any more details. Just that Atari Teenage Riot will be playing. Can't remember when it's going to be, sorry.. Stig -- jmsmall@... From jmsmall@... Wed Feb 24 22:16:27 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:16:27 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.10.55.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > >If I said I wasn't too impressed by Clinic's appearance live on the > >Peel show would I be a philistine who wouldn't know good music if > >it came up and bit me on the arse or do "the best band in Britain" > >sound better on record? > Cuh, didn't hear it (only got back late last night) but what I saw/heard on > the NME tv show was a bit murky to say the ;least. And their Festive 50 > tracks for this year weren't all that hot, not as catchy as "IPC > subeditors" was. What on earth are you talking about? Their appearance on that Channel4 NME thing was a bit shaky/nervy, but incredibly exciting and easily the best thing on it by quite a long way. And their Peel set was excellent! As for IPC Sub-editors, I'd say it is more than equalled by "Cement Mixer" and "Lester Young", Stuart... > I'd say that the musically-quite-close Male Nurse blow > them away or songs. The Male Nurse? Musically-quite-close-to-the-Fall you mean... they sound nothing like Clinic to me. Stig -- jmsmall@... From andys@... Thu Feb 25 10:47:17 1999 From: andys@... (Andy Smith) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:47:17 GMT Subject: Clinic/Sound of the suburbs Message-ID: <76369.11.56.959309994@...> From: "Culhane, Edward " > If I said I wasn't too impressed by Clinic's appearance live on the > Peel show would I be a philistine Actually I didn't think it was too good either. But did anyone hear Freddy Fresh or whoever it was on Tuesday? I thought that was great, but then I'm not really up with this DJ business. PJ Harvey tonight! Is it a repeat or a new session does anyone know? > Also that song by the band sounding like the delgados and the > new Fall single were rather exellent. I did rather like the new Fall single, and I'm not given to liking everything they do without question. Is it a New Fall or the old Fall (steven Hanley etc)? From: "Les Miller" >As a Shifty Disco subscriber, I got a copy of the ...Suburbs sampler > and it's very good, esp Comatose. There was something on TV last > night which I missed (with the Delgados) and the series proper > starts this Saturday. I didn't think it was brilliant but there's some good stuff on it. The TV series was filmed ages ago - maybe 18 months. I seem to remember them being in Oxford around the time of Sound City. Matt from the Samurai 7, who are featured, told me some time last year that they were worried about their bit because it was so old and they'd improved a lot since. AndyTBTG From smchugh@... Thu Feb 25 11:26:52 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:26:52 +0000 Subject: Clinic/Sound of the suburbs Message-ID: <76369.11.57.959309994@...> >Actually I didn't think it was too good either. But did anyone hear >Freddy Fresh or whoever it was on Tuesday? I thought that was great, >but then I'm not really up with this DJ business. PJ Harvey tonight! >Is it a repeat or a new session does anyone know? Apparently some bits hacked out of the live session she did at Peel Acres a few months ago (?) >I did rather like the new Fall single, and I'm not given to liking >everything they do without question. Is it a New Fall or the old Fall >(steven Hanley etc)? I thought the dance remix was ok, haven't heard the actual single, but sounded like there was a good song in there. I thought the new siongle was 'Inch', is there sonmething different out, or is it an EP or what. I'd heard that Steven Hanley was back, but he could be gone again, given the band's track record on personnel. > >From: "Les Miller" >>As a Shifty Disco subscriber, I got a copy of the ...Suburbs sampler >> and it's very good, esp Comatose. There was something on TV last >> night which I missed (with the Delgados) and the series proper >> starts this Saturday. It was a chat with Peel, generally about the new series. Some good shots of him from the '60's shown. and Stuart Hall was on too. Actualy, Peelie was angling to fill in for Jack Docherty when he goes on holiday (he was making a better job of quizzing Hall than JD was). Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From smchugh@... Thu Feb 25 11:40:09 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:40:09 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.11.58.959309994@...> >What on earth are you talking about? Their appearance on that Channel4 >NME thing was a bit shaky/nervy, but incredibly exciting and easily the >best thing on it by quite a long way. Well, 'best thing on it' is perhaps damning them by faint praise.. I wstill haven't seen them live, and am prepared to not be put off by their 'nervy' performance, but I was a bit disappointed in the solitary track they showed, probably since I'd been wading through all the crap that went before, waiting for Clinic to blow me away instead of simply blowing away Ultrasound or Embrace or whatever other acts were on. Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From kimhl@... Thu Feb 25 14:52:07 1999 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:52:07 +0000 Subject: Clinic/Sound of the suburbs Message-ID: <76369.11.59.959309994@...> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:47:17 GMT Andy Smith wrote: > From: Andy Smith > PJ Harvey tonight! Is it a repeat or a > new session does anyone know? It's a repeat of the '98 session. Kim From jmsmall@... Thu Feb 25 22:06:47 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:06:47 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.12.60.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > I was a bit disappointed in the solitary track they > showed, probably since I'd been wading through all the crap that went > before, waiting for Clinic to blow me away instead of simply blowing away > Ultrasound or Embrace or whatever other acts were on. Mogwai... Stig -- jmsmall@... From smchugh@... Fri Feb 26 10:19:07 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:19:07 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.61.959309994@...> >> before, waiting for Clinic to blow me away instead of simply blowing away >> Ultrasound or Embrace or whatever other acts were on. > >Mogwai... I think I must have sat through about 3 hours of shite waiting for them, Idlewild and Will Oldham(?), due to the schedules they announced. Anyway, PJ Harvey. Was the Eric Feldman Peel listed as being part of the live session the same Eric (Drew) Feldman who was in Pere Ubu and the Magic Band? Stuart http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From culhanee@... Fri Feb 26 12:29:03 1999 From: culhanee@... (Culhane, Edward ) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:29:03 BST Subject: clinic/peel Message-ID: <76369.13.62.959309994@...> > Was the Eric Feldman Peel listed as being part of the > live session the same Eric (Drew) Feldman who was in Pere Ubu and the > Magic > Band? > Yes, well to the magic band bit at least. Kevin From robfleay Fri Feb 26 13:25:44 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:25:44 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.63.959309994@...> > From: Stuart McHugh > Anyway, PJ Harvey. Was the Eric Feldman Peel listed as being part of the > live session the same Eric (Drew) Feldman who was in Pere Ubu and the Magic > Band? The very same....he also managed to ruin Frank Black's solo career (although Frank had a damn good go himself) And the PJH session was really screwed up? Peel played The Wind and announced it as Taut and then cut it off half way through and didn't seem to notice....very odd....probably pissed ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From kimhl@... Fri Feb 26 13:37:28 1999 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:37:28 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.64.959309994@...> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:19:07 +0000 Stuart McHugh wrote: > From: Stuart McHugh > > Anyway, PJ Harvey. Was the > Eric Feldman Peel listed as being part of the live session > the same Eric (Drew) Feldman who was in Pere Ubu and the > Magic Band? > He is. He was also part of the Dance Hall at Louse Point Tour. Kim From kimhl@... Fri Feb 26 13:49:18 1999 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:49:18 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.65.959309994@...> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:25:44 +0000 rob wrote: > From: "rob" > And the PJH session was really screwed up? Peel played The > Wind and announced it as Taut and then cut it off half way > through and didn't seem to notice....very odd....probably > pissed He seems to be doing that a lot these days. Should we be worried? When he did the Black Star Liner session recently instead of playing the final session track he played the previous one again, and a while later he announced a P.J. Harvey track and played the same Black Star Liner session track AGAIN. He never did play the final session track, which I thought was rather odd! Do you reckon one day we will see him on TV with Mrs. Merton and Kate Moss discussing the pitfalls of alcohol abuse? ;o) Last night he seemed to be rather preoccupied with a toy that makes chicken noises and the new bathroom fixtures. Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he should have another member of the family actually listening to the programme so they can let him know what's happening. Kim From smchugh@... Fri Feb 26 15:11:07 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:11:07 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.66.959309994@...> >He seems to be doing that a lot these days. Should we be >worried? When he did the Black Star Liner session recently >instead of playing the final session track he played the >previous one again, and a while later he announced a P.J. >Harvey track and played the same Black Star Liner session >track AGAIN. He never did play the final session track, >which I thought was rather odd! I think he did at least notice, I suspect he had run out of time,though if he had droppped a record somewhere it might have been better. Speaking as someone who dj's in an amateur capacity occasionally, it's not as easy as it looks. I can remember forgetting which session track I played once, so I just went for it and hoped for the best. My audience was proably single figures anyway, not so simple for national dj's though (it's enough to make you feel sympathy for Chris Moyles... well, maybe not). >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he >should have another member of the family actually listening >to the programme so they can let him know what's happening. I think that's the producer's job, though I'm not sure if she monitors things at Peel Acres. Maybe he should get her to do all the cueing-up, Zoe Ball style, leaving Peelie to regale us with his tales of country life? S http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From jmsmall@... Fri Feb 26 15:18:58 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:18:58 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.67.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > I think he did at least notice, I suspect he had run out of time,though if > he had droppped a record somewhere it might have been better. Are we talking about the first session track? The live (ISDN?) relay seemed to go down and they started off the safety tape at Radio One. There were about thirty seconds of hiss and distortion, which I initially assumed was the session track (although I thought it odd that I didn't remember it being like that when they played live), and funnily enough I was just starting to get into PJ Harvey's "new direction" when the safety-tape started up. I got the impression the PJ Harvey track we heard half of was on the safety tape rather than the from session, which could explain Peel's announcing the title wrongly... > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he > >should have another member of the family actually listening > >to the programme so they can let him know what's happening. I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. Stig -- jmsmall@... From smchugh@... Fri Feb 26 15:33:12 1999 From: smchugh@... (Stuart McHugh) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:33:12 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.68.959309994@...> >I got the impression the PJ Harvey track we heard half of was on the >safety tape rather than the from session, which could explain Peel's >announcing the title wrongly... PJ on the safety tape? Cool! It used to be Oasis or Quo or someone, as far as I recall from the Mogwai live broadcast... S http://www.vacant.demon.co.uk From jmsmall@... Fri Feb 26 15:35:43 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:35:43 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.69.959309994@...> Stuart McHugh wrote: > PJ on the safety tape? Cool! It used to be Oasis or Quo or someone, as far > as I recall from the Mogwai live broadcast... Don't get too excited, the safety tape was an old Peel show and was specific to Peel's broadcast, not Radio One's standard emergency tape for when things stop sounding like Boyzone and that gets triggered by Mogwai tunes on a regular basis... as far as I can gather, there's somebody sitting in the studio at Radio One with a finger on the pause button of an old tape during Peel's broadcasts from home. You might have noticed Peel saying something about liking Mark Kermode and not feeling the need to start the programme with something noisy... and that was twenty minutes or so into the show. Did you really not notice? You can't have all gone to the loo at the same time... hm, maybe I should stop drinking that cheap Tesco wine after all Stig -- jmsmall@... From Les_Miller@... Fri Feb 26 16:36:41 1999 From: Les_Miller@... (Les Miller) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:36:41 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.70.959309994@...> I too thought the 'sound' was PJ Harvey's new direction, until the safety tape cut it. There also seemed to be about 30 seconds worth of an earlier Peel show before going back to Peel Acres. Virgin Records are currently having a two for 22 pounds sale - including PJ Harvey (the one that came out in 1995) and Orbital (Insides). Stig on 26/02/99 14:18:58 Please respond to peel@onelist.com To: peel@onelist.com cc: (Les Miller/GB/3Com) Subject: [peel] Re: clinic/peej From: Stig Stuart McHugh wrote: > I think he did at least notice, I suspect he had run out of time,though if > he had droppped a record somewhere it might have been better. Are we talking about the first session track? The live (ISDN?) relay seemed to go down and they started off the safety tape at Radio One. There were about thirty seconds of hiss and distortion, which I initially assumed was the session track (although I thought it odd that I didn't remember it being like that when they played live), and funnily enough I was just starting to get into PJ Harvey's "new direction" when the safety-tape started up. I got the impression the PJ Harvey track we heard half of was on the safety tape rather than the from session, which could explain Peel's announcing the title wrongly... > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he > >should have another member of the family actually listening > >to the programme so they can let him know what's happening. I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. Stig -- jmsmall@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.onelist.com Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services From kimhl@... Fri Feb 26 17:05:01 1999 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:05:01 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.71.959309994@...> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:18:58 +0000 Stig wrote: > From: Stig > > Stuart McHugh wrote: > > I think he did at least notice, I suspect he had run out > of time,though if > he had droppped a record somewhere it > might have been better. > > Are we talking about the first session track? The live > (ISDN?) relay seemed to go down and they started off the > safety tape at Radio One. There were about thirty seconds > of hiss and distortion, which I initially assumed was the > session track (although I thought it odd that I didn't > remember it being like that when they played live), and > funnily enough I was just starting to get into PJ Harvey's > "new direction" when the safety-tape started up. Actually, the track he was starting to play (Taut) does start with several seconds of loud hiss and distortion. The track is off of "Dance Hall at Louse Point". > > I got the impression the PJ Harvey track we heard half of > was on the safety tape rather than the from session, which > could explain Peel's announcing the title wrongly... I think that is probably true, because the track that got played and cut off before it ended sounded to me like the album version of "The Wind". > > > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he > > >should have another member of the family actually > listening > >to the programme so they can let him know > what's happening. > > I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. Is this a civil flame, or are you just saying that in case JP monitors this list and he'll be moved by your loyalty to read out more of your faxes on air? :o) Anyway, he frequently admits that he isn't listening to the tracks he plays because of more pressing things like watching football on TV so it makes sense to have somebody check the output. Kim From rlawson@... Fri Feb 26 19:13:31 1999 From: rlawson@... (C R Lawson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:13:31 +0800 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.72.959309994@...> i'm with Stig all the way on this one, firstly JP's not technical enough to even monitor the e-mails let alone the "complexities" of the web/mailing lists. secondly i'll take Peelie with all of his constant mistakes etc. over anyone else .. in fact that's part of the charm. in any event we're listening to live radio with all the warts not a rehearsed act of perfection. cheers Rob (HK) Kim Harrison-Lavoie wrote: > > > > > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the faxes he > > > >should have another member of the family actually > > listening > >to the programme so they can let him know > > what's happening. > > > > I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. > > Is this a civil flame, or are you just saying that in case > JP monitors this list and he'll be moved by your loyalty to > read out more of your faxes on air? :o) Anyway, he > frequently admits that he isn't listening to the tracks he > plays because of more pressing things like watching > football on TV so it makes sense to have somebody check the > output. > > Kim > > --- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site From kimhl@... Fri Feb 26 20:31:21 1999 From: kimhl@... (Kim Harrison-Lavoie) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:31:21 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.73.959309994@...> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:13:31 +0800 C R Lawson wrote: > From: C R Lawson > > i'm with Stig all the way on this one, firstly JP's not technical enough > to even monitor the e-mails let alone the "complexities" of the > web/mailing lists. > secondly i'll take Peelie with all of his constant mistakes etc. over > anyone else .. in fact that's part of the charm. > in any event we're listening to live radio with all the warts not a > rehearsed act of perfection. > cheers > Rob (HK) Before I get any more replies from disgruntled Peel fans, I would just like to say a few things: 1. The comment about getting another family member to monitor the programme was only a joke. My failure to include a ;O) after it was merely an oversight (for which I apologise unreservedly). My intention was to express my amusement and surprise at the fact that there seem to be a fair number of occasions when nobody in the studio (or at Peel Acres) is listening to the programme. Why is this? Don't any of his producers/engineers like the stuff he plays? At the end of the programme do they go up and say "Great programme, John, I really loved that Fall track" safe in the knowledge that there is a very high chance that he did play a Fall track? I can understand him not listening to every track because he selected them and has already heard them. 2. I never suggested nor do I believe that John Peel should be proficient at email or web mailing lists. My comment to Stig about this list being monitored by Peel WAS followed by a :o) which I have been given to understand is a shorthand indication that the preceding statement is not intended to be taken seriously. 3. I agree that a good part of his charm is that he isn't slick or phoney and he comes across as a real, fallible human being. He is easily the best thing on radio in my opinion and his is the only programme which I listen to regularly and make every effort not to miss. I am certain that a large part if not the majority of my music collection has been influenced by his programme in some way or other. If I were of a religious nature he would probably fit my bill for a deity quite nicely. :o) (This last comment not intended to spark off a debate about religion or John Peel's potential role as the figurehead of one!) 4. Erm, that's all I guess except that I think I'll stick to information-only posts in the future or maybe just lurk... Kim > Kim Harrison-Lavoie wrote: > > > > > > > > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the > faxes he > > > >should have another member of the family > actually > > listening > >to the programme so they can let > him know > > what's happening. > > > > > I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. > > > Is this a civil flame, or are you just saying that in > case > JP monitors this list and he'll be moved by your > loyalty to > read out more of your faxes on air? :o) > Anyway, he > frequently admits that he isn't listening to > the tracks he > plays because of more pressing things like > watching > football on TV so it makes sense to have > somebody check the > output. > > > Kim > > > --- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the Suggestion Box > feature on our new web site > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.onelist.com > Sign up for a new email list today ---------------------- Kim Harrison-Lavoie kimhl@... From jmsmall@... Fri Feb 26 21:18:40 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:18:40 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.74.959309994@...> Kim Harrison-Lavoie wrote: > If I were of a religious nature he would probably > fit my bill for a deity quite nicely. You know, Kim, that's actually not a bad idea. Perhaps not a deity but certainly a Messiah of some sort. I have just a few moments ago laid down hundreds of thousands of pounds towards a publicity campaign to launch this religion of yours and if it is not a success I shall sue you. > > I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. > > Is this a civil flame, or are you just saying that in case > JP monitors this list and he'll be moved by your loyalty to > read out more of your faxes on air? He only does that because I threaten to injure his family. Stig -- jmsmall@... From robfleay Fri Feb 26 21:25:21 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:25:21 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.75.959309994@...> > Actually, the track he was starting to play (Taut) does > start with several seconds of loud hiss and distortion. The > track is off of "Dance Hall at Louse Point". Does anyone want to entertain my argument that Dance Hall is PJH's best album? It's still my favourite....That's why I was gutted when Peel screwed up Taut... ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From daniel@... Sat Feb 27 00:01:50 1999 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:01:50 +0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.76.959309994@...> Kim, Say what you like and bloody well say it LOUD !!! Isn't freedom of speech great, the best way to be !! Daniel. In message , Kim Harrison-Lavoie writes >From: Kim Harrison-Lavoie > > >On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:13:31 +0800 C R Lawson > wrote: > >> From: C R Lawson >> >> i'm with Stig all the way on this one, firstly JP's not technical enough >> to even monitor the e-mails let alone the "complexities" of the >> web/mailing lists. >> secondly i'll take Peelie with all of his constant mistakes etc. over >> anyone else .. in fact that's part of the charm. >> in any event we're listening to live radio with all the warts not a >> rehearsed act of perfection. >> cheers >> Rob (HK) > >Before I get any more replies from disgruntled Peel fans, I >would just like to say a few things: > >1. The comment about getting another family member to >monitor the programme was only a joke. My failure to >include a ;O) after it was merely an oversight (for which I >apologise unreservedly). My intention was to express my >amusement and surprise at the fact that there seem to be a >fair number of occasions when nobody in the studio (or at >Peel Acres) is listening to the programme. Why is this? >Don't any of his producers/engineers like the stuff he >plays? At the end of the programme do they go up and say >"Great programme, John, I really loved that Fall track" >safe in the knowledge that there is a very high chance that >he did play a Fall track? I can understand him not >listening to every track because he selected them and has >already heard them. > >2. I never suggested nor do I believe that John Peel should >be proficient at email or web mailing lists. My comment to >Stig about this list being monitored by Peel WAS followed >by a :o) which I have been given to understand is a >shorthand indication that the preceding statement is not >intended to be taken seriously. > >3. I agree that a good part of his charm is that he isn't >slick or phoney and he comes across as a real, fallible >human being. He is easily the best thing on radio in my >opinion and his is the only programme which I listen to >regularly and make every effort not to miss. I am certain >that a large part if not the majority of my music >collection has been influenced by his programme in some way >or other. If I were of a religious nature he would probably >fit my bill for a deity quite nicely. :o) (This last >comment not intended to spark off a debate about religion >or John Peel's potential role as the figurehead of one!) > >4. Erm, that's all I guess except that I think I'll stick >to information-only posts in the future or maybe just >lurk... > >Kim > > >> Kim Harrison-Lavoie wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > >Maybe in addition to having William monitor the >> faxes he > > > >should have another member of the family >> actually > > listening > >to the programme so they can let >> him know > > what's happening. >> > > > > I think that's a rather harsh thing to say, Kim. >> > > Is this a civil flame, or are you just saying that in >> case > JP monitors this list and he'll be moved by your >> loyalty to > read out more of your faxes on air? :o) >> Anyway, he > frequently admits that he isn't listening to >> the tracks he > plays because of more pressing things like >> watching > football on TV so it makes sense to have >> somebody check the > output. >> > > Kim >> > > --- >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? >> > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the Suggestion Box >> feature on our new web site >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? >> http://www.onelist.com >> Sign up for a new email list today > >---------------------- >Kim Harrison-Lavoie >kimhl@... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? >http://www.onelist.com >Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories -- Bernard From daniel@... Fri Feb 26 23:30:47 1999 From: daniel@... (daniel@...) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:30:47 +0000 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.13.77.959309994@...> > >This list seems to be facing an early death. > Can I make a few suggestions to keep it rolling.... 1. Best and Worse stuff each time you listen.. Last night, Sonic watcha call it about the guy who lost his memory. Worse a track a few bits behind it that was just repetitive and I can't remeber the name of... 2. Peel sesh faves...and maybe we could trade any interesting ones floating around ?? Personally I loved the last Mogwai set with Spoontest and Kappa on. Also the early bits by Adam and The Ants and Syd Barrett tickle my thang !!!! Any takers ?? Daniel. -- From cwoodmansey@... Sat Feb 27 00:23:20 1999 From: cwoodmansey@... (Clare Woodmansey) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:23:20 -0000 Subject: clinic/peej Message-ID: <76369.13.78.959309994@...> > From: > > Kim, > > Say what you like and bloody well say it LOUD !!! > > > Isn't freedom of speech great, the best way to be !! With you all the way. Rob From Stephen_J._Wood@... Fri Feb 26 00:27:04 1999 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 25 Feb 1999 23:27:04 GMT Subject: Peej Message-ID: <76369.13.79.959309994@...> Did anyone notice that the first track of tonight's PJH repeat live session actually wasn't "Taut" as Peelie introduced it, or am I facing early senility? Excellent session, anyway! The Digital Hardcore night is on March 19th, at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, and will feature Atari Teenage Riot, plus others to be confirmed. Cheers, Rocker, rocker@... From rlawson@... Sat Feb 27 15:30:28 1999 From: rlawson@... (C R Lawson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:30:28 +0800 Subject: clinic Message-ID: <76369.14.80.959309994@...> from my perspective i think these suggestions have great merit. my problem is that being in Hong Kong (and since the BBC seem to have forever given up the battle over their "listening posts"), the only time i get to listen to the shows is when my benevolent brother sends over tapes of them , which is at least one week after they've aired. having said that the idea that people on the list would discuss the merits(or demerits) of each programme would simply whet my taste buds for when the tapes do arrive. regrettably any comments i might then make would be somewhat stale. cheers Rob daniel@... wrote: > From: > > > > >This list seems to be facing an early death. > > > Can I make a few suggestions to keep it rolling.... > > 1. Best and Worse stuff each time you listen.. > > Last night, Sonic watcha call it about the guy who lost his > memory. Worse a track a few bits behind it that was just > repetitive and I can't remeber the name of... > > 2. Peel sesh faves...and maybe we could trade any interesting ones > floating around ?? > > Personally I loved the last Mogwai set with Spoontest and Kappa > on. > Also the early bits by Adam and The Ants and Syd Barrett tickle > my > thang !!!! > > Any takers ?? > > Daniel. > > -- > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > http://www.onelist.com > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories From robfleay Sat Feb 27 21:09:55 1999 From: robfleay (rob) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:09:55 +0000 Subject: Peej Message-ID: <76369.14.81.959309994@...> > From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen J. Wood) > > Did anyone notice that the first track of tonight's PJH repeat live session > actually wasn't "Taut" as Peelie introduced it, or am I facing early > senility? Excellent session, anyway! When is the Flatmates Peel Session album out anyway! ========================================= Rob Fleay robfleay@... ========================================= From jmsmall@... Sat Feb 27 21:04:40 1999 From: jmsmall@... (Stig) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:04:40 +0000 Subject: quickspace and hefner Message-ID: <76369.14.82.959309994@...> C R Lawson wrote: > regrettably any comments i might then make > would be somewhat stale. Don't sell yourself short, we all love you. Some of us carnally. Anyone know if the Quickspace session on Thursday is a repeat of last year's one or a new one? And what's the Hefner one all about, didn't Peel keep saying it was a gospel type thingummy? Stig -- jmsmall@... From cwoodmansey@... Sat Feb 27 23:10:18 1999 From: cwoodmansey@... (Clare Woodmansey) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:10:18 -0000 Subject: quickspace and hefner Message-ID: <76369.14.83.959309994@...> > From: Stig > > C R Lawson wrote: > > regrettably any comments i might then make > > would be somewhat stale. > > Don't sell yourself short, we all love you. Some of us carnally. Oi! Hands off, he's mine. I don't know, you're never satisfied, are you? Rob From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sun Feb 28 11:15:03 1999 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 28 Feb 1999 10:15:03 GMT Subject: quickspace and hefner Message-ID: <76369.15.84.959309994@...> Stig writes: Anyone know if the Quickspace session on Thursday is a repeat of last year's one or a new one? And what's the Hefner one all about, didn't Peel keep saying it was a gospel type thingummy? The Hefner session is all covers of gospel classics. Should be interesting. Better than certain bands who just see the Peel session as a promotional device, and do identical versions of songs on their latest LP. The pattern this year seems to be a Thursday broadcast from Broadcasting Cottage, with a repeat session. New sessions or live stuff on the Tues/Weds shows from London. This means Peelie is only stuck in the metropolis for one day a week. My extensive records tell me that the most recent Quickspace session only went out on 20/10/98, so my guess is that it'll be repeated this Thurs. Talking of which, wouldn't it be nice for someone to put out a sequel to the Ken Garner "In Session Tonight" book, which contained listings for (almost) every BBC radio session up to its publication date in 1992, and is an essential read for anyone interested in the Peel Show phenomenon. (Not sure if you can still get it, though). Cheers! Rocker, rocker@... From Stephen_J._Wood@... Sun Feb 28 11:01:10 1999 From: Stephen_J._Wood@... (Stephen_J._Wood@...) Date: 28 Feb 1999 10:01:10 GMT Subject: Peej Message-ID: <76369.15.85.959309994@...> "rob" writes: When is the Flatmates Peel Session album out anyway! Sadly they base their release schedule on commercial viability rather than artistic merit! (Whatever that is). So I expect there'll be a Gene LP out any day! Am I alone in not understanding why the man with 40 years of impeccable taste seems to have fallen for a second rate Britpoop band with a nice line in poor Smiths imitations and a screaming 13 year old fanbase? (And as for the Bluetones...) No offence! (as the South African perfume seller on the Fast Show would say) Does anyone know if you can you still get the Peel Show itself via the Internet? That would help the guy who was out in Hong Kong, or wherever! Cheers, Rocker, rocker@...